June 30, 2008

Why Buy Now When It May Go Down More?

The Sun News reports from New Mexico. “Kevin Romney has been trying to sell his house in Las Cruces since 2007. He believes he would have had an easier time moving the property had he put it on the market a little sooner. ‘We’ve had it on the market several times for about a year,’ the 54-year-old Las Crucen said. ‘We started selling ours right when everything was really starting to dip. We just got a late start on it.’”

“Real estate agent Gailen Hooper said different priced homes seem to selling at different rates. ‘The lower-priced homes are selling,’ he said. ‘It’s once you get up to $300,000 and $400,000, those are taking a while.’”

“Don Schroeder has a new house for sale on the East Mesa that he built with a partner. He said it’s been on the market for about six months. ‘It’s been slower than I would have hoped,’ he said.”

The Arizona Daily Sun. “Local homeowner Bill Cherry grew frustrated watching his home sit empty for more than nine months while it was on the market. His huge, sprawling house nearly sold twice last fall, but the deals fell through at the last moment. As snow began to descend on his empty driveway this winter, Cherry found himself regularly paying for a plow on the hope buyers might tour his home. ‘It is a little like hemorrhaging money,’ he said.”

“He turned to Matt and Ryian Brydenthal, a husband and wife Realtor team specializing in property management. Ryian said part of the demand for renting a home in Flagstaff is that it is cheaper on a monthly basis than purchasing.”

“‘They can rent a place, for instance, in Boulder Pointe for $1,650, where to purchase the same home in the high $300,000 to $400,000 range — their payments would be a lot higher,’ Ryian said.”

“For comparison, the average monthly mortgage payment for a $380,000 home with a 30-year loan at 6.5 percent interest would be $2,400. ‘People without a large down payment are able to get more house for their money if they choose to rent,’ Matt added.”

“For Cherry, his home is still listed for sale. He said he is unwilling slash the price of his home to force a sale. ‘I won’t have a fire sale,’ he said.”

The East Valley Tribune from Arizona. “Crashing home prices have sent dozens of units in a Scottsdale luxury loft development tumbling into foreclosure over the past year and a half. Since early 2007, lenders have foreclosed on 33 of the 84 units in downtown’s Third Avenue Lofts.”

“The project’s troubles mirror a Valleywide epidemic. Tens of thousands of properties have entered the foreclosure process this year with more than 3,000 actually being foreclosed on so far in June.”

“‘People were over their heads,’ Scottsdale real estate agent John Wake said.”

“Price drops at the lofts have been severe. In one case, a 905-square-foot unit was purchased for $369,277 in 2005, then resold a year later for $950,000, according to data from the Arizona Regional MLS. The property was eventually foreclosed on and sold in April for $289,900.”

The Arizona Republic. “A celebrity chef was planning the menus, brides were negotiating room rates and 250 staffers were on the payroll. But four months before Hotel Monroe was scheduled to open, its lender went bankrupt. It’s unclear what the future holds for the hotel and an entertainment district, two high-profile downtown Phoenix projects tangled in Mortgages Ltd.’s web of legal and financial woes.”

“‘This one hurt, bad,’ said Jonathan Vento, a principal at Grace Communities. The developer is also wrapping up construction on 44 Monroe, a 34-story condo tower a block away from the Hotel Monroe.”

“Developments that have ‘end users’ are easier to finance than housing, which involves more speculation, said Larry Lazarus, a veteran Valley development attorney working on the Jackson Street project.”

“Lazarus is also an example of how the Mortgages Ltd. debacle has permeated the region’s development circle. He invested in the firm, as did his parents, friends and some former clients, the lawyer says.”

“The economic slump has all but shut off the credit tap for many commercial projects, said Anthony Sanders a professor at Arizona State University. ‘I would love to see downtown Phoenix blossom,’ the professor said. ‘Right now, it’s not a sure thing that downtown Phoenix will be like downtown Manhattan.’”

The Review Journal from Nevada. “As a time clock set by Clark County runs down toward a Tuesday deadline for the Meridian Luxury Suites to cease short-term rentals, it appears the condo property is still taking overnight guests. The county says the Meridian is running an illegal hotel operation, and has ordered it to stop.”

“Two Meridian residents said the condo project is still operating as a resort, despite the county’s warnings. ‘It’s still renting. Bellmen are walking around and driving around. All the cleaning people are going unit to unit,’ Kathleen Mannix said.”

“Her permanent home is the Meridian unit she paid for in full before moving to Las Vegas in May 2007. Mannix said no one informed her at the time of her purchase that any of the units would be leased for periods of less than 31 days.”

“According to a county report, the Meridian has 678 units but only about 12 owners living in their units.”

“Most of the 50 or so people gathered May 18 around a Meridian swimming pool were short-term paying guests. Many praised the Meridian’s rates, which ranged from $119 to $169 for a two-bedroom ’suite,’ according to Kirk Wayne of Melbourne, Fla., who was in town for a convention.”

“But not all investors want the hotel operation halted. Las Vegan Ron Chapman, who with his wife owns two Meridian units, has contacted fellow owners by e-mail in support of the hotel, to urge them to protect their investments. Both his units are in the pool for short-term rental.”

“Chapman, a real-estate agent, also has clients who bought at the Meridian as an investment.”

“Almost 6 percent of the units at the Meridian are either in foreclosure, are being sold at foreclosure or are being sold ’short,’ said Michael Mackenzie, president of the Meridian Private Residences Homeowners Association.”

“The Meridian units are now worth only about 50 cents on the dollar, Mackenzie said.”

“In his e-mail, Chapman said the Meridian fell victim to the real estate downturn. ‘It’s no secret,’ he wrote, ‘that the Las Vegas real-estate market has given back most if not all of its gains, and that homeowners’ equity …. over the past two years, including Meridan’s, has vaporized.’”

“In another indication of economic hard times, Vestin Group’s two mortgage loan real estate investment trusts announced that they are suspending their dividends because of weak financial results. The two REITs, Vestin Realty Mortgage I and II, together have $393 million in assets and typically make short-term commercial mortgage loans to developers willing to pay double-digit interest rates.”

“Under law, the REITs must pay out 90 percent of their taxable income, but the announcement indicates that the REITs’ income is being reduced by nonperforming loans, loan write-downs and the expense of defending the company in lawsuits. Analysts say realty loan problems pervade the financial markets in Southern Nevada.”

“‘The whole entire country, real estate, is having a tough time,’ said Mike Shustek, CEO of Vestin Group. Shustek said he has been investing about $40,000 a week in Vestin shares and is increasing the amount to $50,000. Over the last year, he estimated he has invested more than $2 million in the shares.”

In Business Las Vegas from Nevada. “Las Vegas’ land market has crawled to a virtual standstill and prices continue to fall. Only two of 15 properties on the block at the June 17 Bureau of Land Management auction received offers, and the winning bids reflect how far the market has fallen.”

“Nava Properties paid $252,000 for 2.5 acres of residential land near Blue Diamond Road, a price of $100,800 per acre. The going price per acre in that area two years ago was $650,000, land analysts say.”

“Also near Blue Diamond Road, Phil Davis paid more than $1.9 million for five acres of commercial property. The $385,200 per acre is well below the market price two years ago when similar land would fetch more than $1 million an acre, said Craig Cherney, head of West Coast operations of American Land Fund, a private real estate acquisition fund.”

“‘It shows me the direction we are headed,’ Cherney says.”

“In May, one residential land sale is believed to be helping set the market. DBSI, an investment group, reportedly paid $289,000 per acre for 21.7 acres zoned for 15 units an acre in Providence, Focus Property Group’s master-planned community in north-west Las Vegas.”

“That’s a dramatic swing in prices - buyers were paying more than $750,000 to $850,000 two years ago, Cherney says.”

“There are even fewer deals in the pipeline now, says Derek Rafie, CB Richard Ellis’ first vice president.”

“The land market could be facing its own foreclosure problem just like the housing sec- tor, Rafie says. Property owners are negotiating with banks to delay payments or extensions, but banks are starting to take control of properties with the hope they can sell to foreign buyers, he says.

Property owners are arguing that the market is down, and banks should wait for it to improve to recoup money rather than take it over and try and dump it. Property owners are telling the banks they know their sites best.”

“But that argument may not be winning over lenders that appear ready to take back land and sell it to get it off their books, Rafie says.”

“The poor shape of the housing market will continue to wreak havoc with land sales, Rafie says. With concerns that housing foreclosures will continue to rise into 2009, that will dampen the need for raw land to build homes.”

“‘It has been extremely slow. The only buyers looking out there are those who can purchase it heavily discounted,’ Rafie says. ‘They are taking their time to see what’s going to happen in the market. They think, ‘Why buy now when it may go down more?’”

The Salt Lake Tribune from Utah. “Zions Bank now owns the 3,000-plus acre SunCrest project atop Draper’s Traverse Ridge. A judge late Thursday afternoon approved the bank’s $25.3 million bid for the bankrupt property despite a long list of concerns from an attorney who argued that the property could garner more cash and better repay its investors.”

“Though he acknowledged that the mountaintop project’s value has likely declined in the midst of a bad housing market, creditors’ attorney David Leta argued SunCrest had surely not lost $25 million over the six months since a December 2007 appraisal, which pegged the scenic property at $51.6 million.”

“SunCrest consultant Bruce Baird testified that a foreclosure sale could mean the SunCrest Clubhouse would never open, the SunCrest Market would close shop, and it could mean the demise of the entire mountaintop project.”

“The developer’s Dallas-based bankruptcy attorney Bill Wallander said nobody is pleased that the sale did not cover the debts, but he praised property marketer Gary Nelson’s 71-day effort to attract bidders. ”

“Zions does not plan to develop the property itself, said spokesman Rob Brough. ‘It’s likely to take a bit of time for that to happen,’ Brough said. ‘But now that the judge has ruled and the sale is final, our primary objective is to get it sold. We’d like to do that as quickly as we can.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-06-30 08:41:43

‘People without a large down payment are able to get more house for their money if they choose to rent,’ Matt added.’

News flash to Matt; people with a down payment are able to get more for their money renting!

This caught my eye:

‘DBSI reportedly paid $289,000 per acre for 21.7 acres zoned for 15 units an acre in Providence, Focus Property Group’s master-planned community in north-west Las Vegas. That’s a dramatic swing in prices — buyers were paying more than $750,000 to $850,000 two years ago, Cherney says. Those kinds of prices haven’t been seen since 2004, and Cherney says it could fall to less than $200,000 an acre, the price in 2002 and 2003.’

2004 was still serious bubble territory. LV is in freefall and is almost certain to go below 2004 prices. We still have a cardboard box for you here in Arizona, LV Landlord!

Comment by DinOR
2008-06-30 08:57:02

It seemed to me that Blue Diamond Road ‘would’ have been right in the path of progress? BD runs right along side the Strip doesn’t it? ( Or just a few blocks in? ) If they can’t demand a premium there..!

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-06-30 09:13:42

I used to post extensively on the big bid-up going on in LV. The REIC took such great comfort that it was the big builders and developers who were involved. Time has shown that they were the biggest fools of them all.

‘Only two of 15 properties on the block at the June 17 Bureau of Land Management auction received offers, and the winning bids reflect how far the market has fallen.’

And the BLM could easily have put up 1,000 times this much land. May these western land hoarders choke on their over-priced scrub-land.

Comment by desertdweller
2008-06-30 09:41:28

Ruminating over an idea that just popped into head.

What if you had an LLC and bought a home(when they really get affordable) then leased it out to you as a renter.
Wouldnt that be the best money way to go?

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Comment by yogurt
2008-06-30 11:18:18

Quite the opposite, you would lose all the tax benefits that owner-occupiers enjoy.

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2008-06-30 09:48:45

Ben,

The sales pitch that I always got from Vegas realtors was that the Federal gov. owns like 97% of the state of NV and that’s why land will ALWAYS be at a premium in NV in general and LV in particular! Well… ahem.

The first sign I think we had was when Michael Jordan backed out of “Aqua Blue” and wasn’t that what we now call Turnberry Towers? George Clooney backed out of Los Rombles in early ‘06?

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Comment by desmo
2008-06-30 15:38:46

The first sign I think we had…

I think the first sign was when Max Baer couldn’t get his hotel going.

 
 
 
Comment by intheknow
2008-06-30 10:22:08

Nah, Blue Diamond Road is on the south side of Vegas. IT’s the road to Parumph from Vegas. Hits I-15 at the Silverton Casino. It does intersect with Las Vegas Boulevard, but way down south of where the casinos are. Seems like it intersects close to the Outlet Mall.

I haven’t driven down Blue Diamond Road in years, but back in the day you had landscaping companies, a concrete plant, and miles of vacant land.

Comment by DinOR
2008-06-30 10:54:01

intheknow,

I actually think the Silverton is a really cool place! They’ve built a lot of newer casions on the south end of the Strip so like I say, it seemed to be in the path of progress? I think BD extends further north now as well. Oh and I hear they love to write speeding tickets on it!

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Comment by Tim
2008-06-30 09:27:42

‘People without a large down payment are able to get more house for their money if they choose to rent,’ Matt added.’

That caught my eye too and puzzled me. I guess he is thinking if you put enough down so that the monthly payment equals renting you are better off buying. This totally ignores the real possibility, if not likelihood, of depreciation, and ignores opportunity costs.

Comment by mrincomestream
2008-06-30 13:35:25

The Arizona guys haven’t got the big picture yet..especially in the market of 500k plus…after speaking with some this weekend they act as if sellers still have options and it’s all going to comeback in 2 years…

Comment by mikey
2008-06-30 14:45:25

“For Cherry, his home is still listed for sale. He said he is unwilling slash the price of his home to force a sale. ‘I won’t have a fire sale,’ he said

That’s cool…then stand back and watch it slowly melt like a garden snail taking a bath in spoonful of table salt :)

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Comment by aimeejd
2008-06-30 08:42:40

“For Cherry, his home is still listed for sale. He said he is unwilling slash the price of his home to force a sale. ‘I won’t have a fire sale,’ he said.”

Oh well–then I guess you won’t have a sale, period.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-06-30 08:45:41

This guy is typical of the denial in Flagstaff. How many people in town can afford $3,000/month rent? Fiddle on FBs, time ain’t on your side.

Comment by arizonadude
2008-06-30 08:55:14

Did you hear how those two helicopters in flagstaff collided? Evidently 6 people died and at least one was a patient.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-06-30 09:29:36

For some reason the copter at the hospital here is running all day and night. I guess they never heard of ambulances.

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Comment by ravi
2008-06-30 09:36:12

There are several factors involved. Depending on the emergency, a 2, 3 or 4 hour ambulance ride is not safe for an unstable patient. In that situation, a helicopter ride would be the way to go. Also, due to the unfavorable malpractice environment in Arizona as in several other states, fewer on-call specialists are available to treat certain injuries and ailments that ER docs cannot handle. EMTALA is another issue also. Add it all up and a lot of patients who could have been treated at the facility they were at cannot and so they get transferred and unfortunately this happens.

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-06-30 09:55:05

How many people can afford $3000 anywhere?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-06-30 11:05:28

Very few.

But why let facts get in the way? Let’s wave some slogans about.

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-30 09:07:21

Sellers aren’t desperate enough yet. Helicopter Ben, FOA Dodd and the whore-fest coming in preparation of November elections is making them feel confident that a bottom is in sight, so they are still pretty smug.

It will take a tanking of the stock market, a full blown recession, and GSEs and municipalities teetering on bankruptcy (i.e. pensions in danger) before the entitlement crowd starts to realize that finding any buyers at all will be a godsend.

 
Comment by oxide
2008-06-30 11:20:40

If he doesn’t want a fire sale, maybe he can “give it away.”

Comment by mrincomestream
2008-06-30 13:39:24

He will…and then the bank will have the fire-sale for him if he doesn’t pull his head out of his arse…

 
 
 
Comment by need 2 leave ca
2008-06-30 08:43:24

Did Needles manage to secede from CA to either NV or AZ? Are they trying to copy my handle name? But I already left and joined in with NM.

Comment by arizonadude
2008-06-30 08:52:46

I wonder if they could actually do that? California wouldn’t want to lose any money so they would fight it pretty hard. I have driven through needles a couple times.I just remember gas was really high there, like blyth.

Comment by rusty
2008-06-30 12:17:26

I hate needles! Had my car impounded there because the cop couldn’t understand how I left Australia and ended up in Needles on the same day. (international date line) Spent the night and all the next day there trying to get it sorted out. Ended up costing me a 10 dollar fine, but getting the car smog tested and impound fee, plus motel and time lost was over 400 dollars.

Avoid Needles at all costs!

(yeah I was speeding).

Comment by jim
2008-06-30 14:45:18

Its an american cop. Theyre not too smart, they weed out the smart ones. Try using sock puppets next time.

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Comment by need 2 leave ca
2008-06-30 08:51:45

As being LDS, I have the right to make fun (as it was done a few days ago).

What do LDS (Mormon) and LSD have in common? Too much of either give you visions.

It would be very hard to bury St. Mornoni. Statue is very big, and you will find on the top of any LDS temple. Now there is a temple in or nearby most of the major US cities, so most people are at least able to drive by and see what one looks like. For those that have interest, go to http://www.lds.org to locate nearest temple. The angel Moroni is always pointed east, blowing a trumpet, waiting for signal the next coming of Jesus Christ. I am just providing a few facts, and not tyring to preach. Moroni was a prophet at the end of Book of Mormon times and church doctrine teaches he provided the gold plates to Joseph Smith for translation in the New York area (Palmyra, near Rochester) back in the early 1820’s. I don’t buy the St. Joseph statue garbage either.

Comment by not a gator
2008-06-30 09:54:12

It’s okay… we know you aren’t preaching.

Anyone not drunk with the liquor of faith has only to hear the sacred name of “Moroni”, and, well, it’s all over but the tittering.

Them gilt statues is mighty purty, tho’.

Comment by tube_ee
2008-06-30 20:47:35

When my Dad lived in Salt Lake back in the early 80’s, he had a friend that was trying to open up a bar downtown.

The name?

The Mormonacle Tavern.

His license application was denied.

He changed the name, and was approved.

–Shannon

 
 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-06-30 10:57:13

I live(d) with Mormons for 10 years and am still alive, proof that they have an infinite sense of humor and great patience. My aunt married into an old established Mormon family, so I have Mormon cousins (lots of them), even though they all later left the church. :)

I’ll never forget flying over the canyons with one of Utah’s famous canyon pilots - we flew over the Moroni Slopes (near Hanksville) and I got to talking about the Angel Moroni and how this region must be named after him etc., all the time pronouncing it to rhyme with maraconi (in my blissful ignorance) - he was a fourth generation Mormon boy. He looked at me pretty strange for a moment, then about lost it laughing. He got so tickled that he decided he better land, and I thus got to fly into one of Utah’s most remote airstrips (really just a sort of weed grown dirt road), the Hidden Splendor Mine. It was awesome.

Comment by Jean S
2008-06-30 11:08:16

yeah, that pronunciation thing…I was way too old before I learned the “correct” version.

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-06-30 11:12:46

mow-row-nai

accent on last syllable, not ee, but ai

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Comment by Deflationary Jane
2008-06-30 13:02:15

We drove through SLC on the way to St Louis. I wanted to walk around and “pat down” the locals to see if the knotty underwear was true or just a LDS inside joke.

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-06-30 13:22:22

it’s true, they’re called garments.

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Comment by denquiry
2008-07-01 02:18:15

is adam sandler a mormon? I just saw his new movie, “Don’t Mess with the Zohan.” and he had a great big knot in his undergarments. I was just wondering that’s all.

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Comment by need 2 leave ca
2008-06-30 08:54:26

And being a native Salt Laker, happy to hear when UT takes a dump also. A few folks up there (including many ‘church’ members) need to their financial clocks cleaned also. People of all faiths, politicos, etc joined in the greedfest and now deserve to reap the rewards of the multitude of sins.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2008-06-30 09:11:07

SunCrest. Talk about a massive scar on top of what was a pristine mountain, that never should have been built. Commute distance and traffic to downtown SLC is horrible. Even when light rail is fully extended, they’ll have a longer commute to the train stop than most people should have total.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-06-30 09:38:18

‘attorney David Leta argued SunCrest had surely not lost $25 million over the six months since a December 2007 appraisal, which pegged the scenic property at $51.6 million’

Turn those machines back on!

 
 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-06-30 09:16:38

Was it L. Ron Hubbard who said that if you really want true wealth and power, create your own religion?

Who needs Wall Street when you have tithing, tax-exemptions, a cut of all births/marriages/deaths, and the ultimate Ponzi scheme: selling a schtick to get into Heaven.

Religious organizations will be the last ones to feel a pinch under any economic circumstances.

Comment by Marcus
2008-06-30 11:07:56

Welcome to the HBB fellowship brothers and sisters… Come on Ben, you’ve got a gold mine on your hands. Just change your message a little. HBB will bring you untold wealth through the power of prayer and real estate!!!

 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2008-06-30 09:37:29

Cleaning clocks…amen brother. Does LDS say “amen” too!?

Thanks for the humor.
I know a few LDS folks who definitely have ‘dirty clocks’ as well as every politico around.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-30 08:56:11

Liquidity, where art thou?

“Vestin Group’s two mortgage loan real estate investment trusts announced that they are suspending their dividends because of weak financial results. The two REITs, Vestin Realty Mortgage I and II, together have $393 million in assets and typically make short-term commercial mortgage loans to developers willing to pay double-digit interest rates.”

Next lack of liquidity stop, stocks

 
Comment by raven
2008-06-30 08:57:44

Have been watching/tracking the North Scottsdale, AZ market closely for almost a year. While it was holding up somewhat well, in relation to the plunging Phoenix metro area, have noticed a significant crack the past 3 months with numerous price reductions and rising foreclosures. Days on Market has broken the 150 day mark, and for example, with about 1,600 homes listed at over $1 million and 48 sold last month, that’s a 3 year supply based on that rate.

 
Comment by Tim
2008-06-30 09:22:47

“‘People were over their heads,’ Scottsdale real estate agent John Wake said. . . . Price drops at the lofts have been severe. In one case, a 905-square-foot unit was purchased for $369,277 in 2005, then resold a year later for $950,000, according to data from the Arizona Regional MLS. The property was eventually foreclosed on and sold in April for $289,900.”

Sounds to me like the real story went over the real estate agent’s and the author’s heads and this was a scam story rather than simply a bursting bubble story.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-06-30 09:40:05

The article mentions some Operation Malicious Mortgage arrests. I once posted a quote from some REIC guy saying when loan officers get busted, they move to Arizona. To my knowledge there is still no regulation of LOs in AZ.

Comment by raven
2008-06-30 11:17:48

Its about to happen..As typical Arizona, too little …too late.
(way too late, as it takes effect Jan. 2010 !)

AZ Central.com June 27, 2008
“”Arizona loan officer licensing bill passes

Arizona is one step closer to licensing its nearly 10,000 loan officers.

Lawmakers approved a bill early Thursday morning that would require loan officers and mortgage originators to pass a test, pay a fee and notify the Arizona Department of Financial Institutions where they are working.

The move follows at least three failed attempts to pass similar legislation.

The measure now needs approval from Gov. Janet Napolitano, who has supported the measure as part of a plan to crack down on bad lending and slow foreclosures.

The new law would go into effect in January 2010. Many from the state’s mortgage and real-estate industries backed the bill.

“This will bring more accountability to the lending industry and is the start of repairing that badly damaged industry,” said Sen. Jay Tibshraeny, R-Chandler, who introduced the legislation.

The Department of Financial Institutions, which already regulates mortgage brokers and lenders, received a record number of complaints about bad loans last year.”"

Comment by DinOR
2008-06-30 11:35:39

Good Lord. Oregon was able to implement some long overdue changes in a matter of about 6 months. It wasn’t that big of a deal. For any bill to be effective it would also have to monitor where these guys have worked in the PAST as well!

Ooops, a few too many customer complaints? Time to pull up yer’ tent stakes and move on down the line! The people of AZ should be up in arms over that. Thanks for sharing that raven.

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Comment by Santa Bubblicious
2008-06-30 09:43:35

‘Right now, it’s not a sure thing that downtown Phoenix will be like downtown Manhattan.’”

Actually, I’ve been to both, so let me try to rephrase that:

“It is an absolute, 100%, sure thing that downtown Phoenix will never ever ever be like downtown Manhattan”

That’s sounds a little more like the reality in this universe.

Comment by CrackerJim
2008-06-30 09:49:02

Can you imagine the idiocy of someone who thinks strolling around from shop to shop and resting on park benches in 110-115 degree heat is actually going to happen?

 
Comment by stanislaw
2008-06-30 09:50:36

Perhaps they are thinking of Manhattan, Kansas?

Comment by not a gator
2008-06-30 09:56:07

Manhattan Project. Speaking of heat…

Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-30 10:00:58

We vill build the world’s largest housing bomb, yes.

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Comment by DinOR
2008-06-30 10:58:00

This was more like a million little cluster bombs. I’ve also heard the housing bubble compare to “anti-personnel” weapons. The house remains standing ( but all the people are dead )

 
 
 
 
Comment by Ted
2008-06-30 18:40:47

A big LDS “AMEN to that fact!

 
 
Comment by not a gator
2008-06-30 09:48:38

“In another indication of economic hard times, Vestin Group’s two mortgage loan real estate investment trusts announced that they are suspending their dividends because of weak financial results. The two REITs, Vestin Realty Mortgage I and II, together have $393 million in assets and typically make short-term commercial mortgage loans to developers willing to pay double-digit interest rates.”

And yet SRS is down today.

The bad news is out! Buybuybuy!

Comment by oxide
2008-06-30 11:31:55

SRS = Proshares ultrashort Real Estate.

And while I was at Marketwatch, update…DOW is up 57 as I type.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-06-30 10:13:01

If you couldn’t find any bidders after a 71 day search, and it goes back to the bank than lent the do re mi, wouldn’t that technically be called a ‘foreclosure’ and the demise of the entire mountaintop project?

But happily not in Utah, where people have to read between the lines very carefully, to find the truth hidden away.
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“SunCrest consultant Bruce Baird testified that a foreclosure sale could mean the SunCrest Clubhouse would never open, the SunCrest Market would close shop, and it could mean the demise of the entire mountaintop project.”

“The developer’s Dallas-based bankruptcy attorney Bill Wallander said nobody is pleased that the sale did not cover the debts, but he praised property marketer Gary Nelson’s 71-day effort to attract bidders. ”

“Zions does not plan to develop the property itself, said spokesman Rob Brough. ‘It’s likely to take a bit of time for that to happen,’ Brough said. ‘But now that the judge has ruled and the sale is final, our primary objective is to get it sold. We’d like to do that as quickly as we can.’”

 
Comment by Curt
2008-06-30 11:01:21

“According to a county report, the Meridian has 678 units but only about 12 owners living in their units.”

Grin……..smirk………..chuckle……….Ha, Ha………….Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…ROTFLMFBO!!!!!

 
 
Comment by lavi d
2008-06-30 11:42:04

Despite all the financial horror going on, I haven’t really noticed a drop-off in the cultural/retail/service side of things.

I rode the strip Sunday and chatted with a security guard at The Hawaiian Marketplace. He said business is the same as always at the bar - but he looked like he could have been a bit tipsy.

The number of Benzes, Lexii, Hemis and Monster Trucks does not seem to have diminished in traffic. The bars and restaurants I’ve gone to don’t seem to be any less patronized.

I heard a personal horror-story this weekend:

Friend of a friend bought two houses with his wife. Second house purchased for $500k in ‘05 to rent out. The HOA has since changed hands and is now charging $600/wk on rental property. Friend says she thinks it’s to force landlords to sell because the HOA is hoping a new federal law will force banks to keep the place up while at the same time reduce the amount of rental property in the Association. The HOA prefers vacant, maintained houses?

Comment by zeropointzero
2008-06-30 12:15:43

I don’t know why the HOA would think that taking (or, excessively taxing) the ability to use property as a rental/investment vehicle is a good decision, long-term, for property values.

I can accept that a high level of owner-occupied homes is good for a community - but removing the flexibility to rent or sell to a future investor would seem to make a home less valuable. What happens if you get a job elsewhere - and you’re happy to rent your property at a slight loss (or, you bought long enough ago that you can rent income-positive)?

Comment by lavi d
2008-06-30 12:58:04

…but removing the flexibility to rent or sell to a future investor would seem to make a home less valuable.

If I am understanding my friend correctly, it sounds like this HOA is run by some truly delusional folk.

I have never attended an HOA meeting, nor have I been a member other than as a renter - is there some situation where this might make sense?

 
 
 
Comment by SaladSD
2008-06-30 13:44:37

Larry Lazarus and Greg Churney? The reviver, and the flipper. As noted a gazillion times before, you just can’t make up these names!

 
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