It’s The Flip Side Now
Some housing bubble news from Wall Street and Washington. The Guardian, “After Taylor Wimpey’s shock warning today that it will take months to secure a rescue package from investors and that it could breach its banking covenants next February, analysts say there is ‘a very real danger’ that Britain’s biggest housebuilder by volume could collapse. Taylor Wimpey is burdened with £1.7bn of debt after it was created through the £5bn merger of Taylor Woodrow and Wimpey last year.”
“It is the most indebted housebuilder alongside Barratt Developments which has similar borrowings.”
From Bloomberg. “Reeling from the worst housing slump in 30 years, Taylor Wimpey will close a third of its U.K. offices and cut 900 jobs, CEO Peter Redfern said. Shares of the 128- year-old company fell to their lowest in almost 16 years.”
“Annual U.K. house prices fell in June by the most since the end of the country’s last recession in November 1992, Britain’s fourth-biggest mortgage lender Nationwide Building Society said yesterday.”
“Taylor Wimpey said six-month home reservations, where a customer makes a deposit on a property, dropped by 45 percent. The company is currently trying to lure customers with offers such as paying half the monthly mortgage payments of U.K. buyers for the next two years if they reserve a home this month.”
“The average selling price of a Taylor Wimpey home in Britain was 8 percent lower than last year and margins there fell 5 percent, it said. The builder has also been hurt by collapsing sales and earnings at its Spanish and U.S. operations.”
“‘It’s a complete disaster,’ said Panmure analyst Mark Hughes. ‘It’s a lot worse than we expected.’”
“‘In the mortgage market, it’s almost a famine,’ said former Bank of England policy maker Stephen Nickell in an interview yesterday.”
From Hemscot News. “Taylor Wimpey said that it may breach its banking covenants in 2009 after it failed to raise money from investors. The group’s statement said: ‘Without an amendment to the terms of our banking facilities, in certain negative scenarios we might breach one or more banking covenants at the first testing date in 2009.’”
“The group’s US business has been hit particularly hard by the credit crunch and it has already written off £283m. The group as a whole sits on a valuable land bank, but with no demand for new houses, this is no use to it at the moment.”
From Introducer Today. “Data from the Building Societies Association (BSA) shows that net lending was down from £1,262 million in May to £125 million in June. This represents a decline of around 90 per cent.”
“Adrian Coles, director-general of the BSA, said: ‘The lending figures reflect the depressed state of the housing market. ‘With 74 per cent of respondents to the BSA’s property price tracker survey expecting property prices to fall over the next year, it is no surprise that demand for new mortgages remains low.’”
The Times Online. “The amount of money homeowners are borrowing on their houses has slumped by 64 per cent in the first quarter to a seven-year low as banks continue to withdraw cheap mortgage deals.”
“Housing equity withdrawal fell from £13.9 billion in the first quarter of 2007 to £5 billion this year. Today’s £5 billion figure is the lowest amount of money homeowners have raised since the second quarter of 2001.”
“Mortgage approvals in May also plunged, down 56 per cent on the same month last year to a new low of 27,986.”
From Aftenposten. “New figures indicate the latest decline in housing prices is the biggest so far, as sales slow to a trickle compared to recent boom years. The market is flooded with houses and condominiums for sale. Many properties aren’t selling at all, and owners are withdrawing them from the market.”
“Condominium prices were down 4.5 percent from last June. All told, residential real estate prices were reported as being down 2.7 percent. The figures were calculated by research firm Econ for Norwegian real estate brokers’ organizations and sales site Finn.no.”
“Finn Tveter of the real estate brokers’ association NEF..said condominium sales were especially sluggish, and it’s taking an average 25 days to sell a unit. That compares to sales that occurred almost overnight just a couple years ago. Tveter said there’s also an historically large amount of unsold units on the market.”
From France 24. “Prices of existing homes eased in France in the first three months of the year, suggesting that the tide may be turning in a country that’s stood largely aloof from the property slump afflicting neighbors such as Spain, Ireland and Britain.”
“France never really bought into the US-style property frenzy with the same zeal as Britain. The French have generally shunned variable-rate mortgages, with their element of unpredictability, and home-lending practices have toed a more conventional line. Nonetheless, a tide may be turning in France.”
“The real shock stats are to be seen in housing sales. Year-on-year sales of all homes plummeted some 17% in May in France. In Ile de France, sales tumbled some 21%.”
“Housing prices in Spain they are seen falling around 7%. France’s Les Echos daily says there’s a glut of about a million unsold homes on the Spanish market.”
“In Ireland, meanwhile, where the Celtic Tiger’s roaring growth has sputtered to a halt, GDP swung into reverse in the first quarter. Housing prices there have crumbled some 10%.”
The Independent. “The traumatic property experience of Japan. A monumental boom in the late 1980s and early 1990s reversed dramatically and house prices fell by 76.4pc from the peak.”
“Could it happen here? Will Irish house prices fall back to levels seen in 2000/2001 or even to levels seen last century? Will our house prices drop by 70pc before they stabilise?”
“The similarities between both Ireland and Japan are striking. One is the capacity for self-delusion and failure to face up to the magnitude of our crisis. It was the same in Japan 20 years ago.”
“The other problem for Ireland is the sheer extremity of the housing boom. Irish house prices have risen 380pc since 1996, compared with 260pc in the UK — the next frothiest market. As a result of this binge, Ireland is the most indebted nation in Europe.”
“In 1990, the land upon which the imperial palace in Tokyo was built was valued at more than the entire real estate of Canada, the second largest country in the world. When I read the silly valuations in the ‘Irish Times’ property section,…I am reminded of the Japanese Imperial Palace delusion. Clearly a two up, two down in Rialto is not worth the same as a seven-bedroomed house in the Dordogne.”
“Now that prices are falling rapidly, the idea that pokey Irish houses are worth more than French chateaux will look increasingly daft.”
The Province. “After years of listening to customers vent about soaring housing prices, says North Vancouver realtor Jackie Reid, it’s nice to see a return to days where buyers have more selection and bidding wars are scarce.”
“And in Victoria and Vancouver, there is new evidence of some prices coming down. ‘They [buyers] just couldn’t afford it,’ she said of the boom years. ‘Who can? Think about it; it is ridiculous.’”
“Consumers fell behind on loans secured by their homes at the fastest pace in two decades in the first quarter, signaling deeper distress in the U.S. economy, the American Bankers Association reported.”
“Home-equity lines of credit at least 30 days past due rose 14 basis points to 1.1 percent of accounts in the quarter. Late rates worsened in five of eight categories of non-revolving loans tracked by the group.”
“‘People overstretched to take advantage of equity in their homes, equity which may not be there anymore,’ said Nigel Gault, research director at Global Insight Inc.”
“Mountain 1st Bank & Trust Co. CEO Greg Gibson is ’standing on the brakes’ because Mountain 1st can no longer sell trust-preferred stock to raise capital for loans, Gibson said.”
“The bank, with $650 million in assets, is among more than 8,000 across the U.S. caught for the past six months in the shutdown of the $117 billion market for the securities, a hybrid of debt and equity.”
“‘The investment community is now extremely skittish about the magnitude of future mortgage losses and that is damping demand for raising capital through this particular channel,’ said Richard DeKaser, chief economist for National City Corp.”
From McClatchy DC. “Californians may be at the epicenter of the nation’s foreclosure crisis, but more than half of the state’s population lives in high-cost areas that could be denied aid under a proposed federal bailout.”
“Earlier this year, Congress temporarily set the loan limits at $729,750. But the Senate is now proposing to reduce it to $625,000. ‘These provisions are a serious blow to California,’ said California Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer.”
“‘This isn’t about some ideological issue,’ she said. ‘This is about people being thrown out of their castles - their home - and thrown into the moat, and it is about communities that then begin to wither.’”
“During a Senate debate, Sen. Mel Martinez of Florida told the story of a man from Ruskin, Fla., who was approved for a $280,000 home even though he made only $12.50 an hour working with a lumber company in Bradenton, Fla.”
“‘These stories are all over the country,’ Martinez said. ‘There may be some parts of America that are untouched by this crisis, but I will tell my colleagues that Florida has been hit, and Florida has been hit hard.’”
The Herald Tribune. “Seeking restitution from Countrywide Financial Corp. through the lawsuits filed by attorneys general in Florida, California and Illinois might have seemed a fool’s errand when the big mortgage player was reeling toward bankruptcy this year.”
“That all changed Tuesday when Bank of America Corp. completed its purchase of the embattled company…putting it on the hook for the results of any suits. ‘There is technically a deep pocket. They’ve acquired them, they assume their liabilities,’ Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum said Tuesday in announcing his Countrywide legal action.”
“‘They knew very well these people didn’t qualify,’ McCollum said. ‘We believe Countrywide took steps they shouldn’t have … to allow people to own property that they could not reasonably be expected to have made payments on.’”
“‘Countrywide in my opinion led the charge in exotic mortgage traps that resulted in mounting cases of mortgage fraud,’ said Jack McCabe, a Deerfield Beach-based real estate analyst.”
“McCabe also said it is possible criminal charges will arise against certain top executives at Countrywide. The mortgage market needs to see prosecutions of those who had a large hand in creating the current crisis, he said.”
“Thomas Luzier, a real estate attorney with Sarasota’s Dunlap & Moran, said that…his own experience was that many borrowers he counseled knew the mortgages they were getting into were risky, but thought they had it covered.”
“‘The typical response was, ‘I have a plan,’ Luzier said. ‘They would say to me, ‘The market is great, this investment is going to pay off for me.’ And later on if they got into trouble they could always refinance, they thought.’”
“Of course being able to refinance depended on one major assumption: that prices would continue to rise. When they started dropping, those borrowers were stuck.”
“Now, Luzier is getting calls almost daily from those looking to find a way out. ‘It’s the flip side now,’ he said. ‘People admit they took a risk, they know they got in over their heads. Now they need help to minimize the damage.’”
‘it’s taking an average 25 days to sell a unit. That compares to sales that occurred almost overnight just a couple years ago.’
When I was in California recently, a lot of people told me their story of how they came to believe there was a price problem with housing. The tales had many different paths, but almost all ended with the same statement;
“I knew something wasn’t right.”
Houses shouldn’t sell overnight. That completely crazy! Yet it’s a perfect sign of a mania that it is accepted as ordinary affairs.
When I sold my house in Atl in 2004, I priced it double what I paid in 2000 (after it languished on the market for 2 months). It listed at noon, and I had 6 offers that evening and it sold for more than I asked for. I went back to visit my old neighborhood last year, half the houses I saw for sale when I visited the year before were still on the market. I guess I should have asked for more in 2004, but I couldnt understand why ppl would try to outbid each other to pay 400k for a 1300 sq foot bungalow with one bathroom, and the bathroom was caving in because of dry rot. It also had an indoor pool. The basement flooded every time it rained.
LOL ! I like the part about the indoor swimming pool. I guess my house that I sold for $ 125,000 in Michigan in 2004, built on a slab, but with a family room, 3 bedrooms, and new roof, paint and carpet was a bargain.
In early 2004, my realtor SIL ‘alerted’ my wife and I to the deal of the century. We looked, and it was a run-down, 1970’s tract un-improved and decaying: it still had the old-school plywood kitchen cabinets complete with 10 layers of paint; a rapidly failing roof and cracked concrete all around. The price was 179K, up from 120K 6 months before.
The realtor that showed it was withdrawn and put-out.Why? She was pissed we didn’t make an immediate offer, saying ‘It will sell by tommorrow’. It did, and then twice more - ending at 301K in late 2006.
Now in foreclosure and an REO for-sale, it comes with all the attributes above and a dead lawn. Given current prices, it will not sell again for over 80K.
I really think most homebuyers are relunctant to do any research. I read the news everyday. (any kind of news) If a big decision has to be made, I make sure I read, research, and ask for advice from many different sources.
I have a friend that is looking to buying a house. He calls the RE and they went looking. He found one and put up an offer. I asked if he knew about the housing crisis and he flat out said no. I asked him if the RE even mentioned there was one. He said no. There ya go.
A “Sale Pending” sign was just recently put up on a house that was langishing for 6 months. It was listed for 1.6mil. It went down to 1.1 Mil. Got an offer I guess. This neighborhood should NOT have 1 million dollar homes. Most of these homes should be around $400K. RE found a sucker.
Here in Tucson, I’m seeing an uptick in the “RE found a sucker” trend.
We sold our house in Aug 05′, and it took a month to get rid of it @ or near the top of the market.
I was concerned we had waited too long to put it up for sale…
Got Liquidity?
July 4th looks to have revolutionary possibilities, financially.
I have a question… Just read an article wherein it was claimed that Paulson is urging banks to “raise capital”… Could this be a call to start selling off the REOs..? How does he expect banks to “raise capital”..??
Companies raise capital by selling shares.
It does not mean selling assets, whether they be REO’s, loan portfolios, or whatever.
I’m not sure a REO is an asset for a bank. I’m pretty sure its a liability.
Generates negative income while you hold it. FDIC was squealing about care of properties as well.
Anyhow, big news on some of the lenders probelms. Apparently they are getting hit in a lawsuit that says deceptive loans can be discharged.
Could get icky. Would also reward a bunch of people that overspent.
In the end it will further restrict lending.
No, they do not mean selling off REO. The banks lose money when they sell the REO, because they sell it for less than its debt obligation. Plus, banks can wait a long time before booking the loss on a non-perfomring loan. Selling the REO all at once would mean the bank would need to report the loss all at once. In a perverse way, the REO is a blessing because it hasn’t yet been written off.
I mentioned in another thread that I heard that Citibank is offering CC customers 10% rebates if they pay more than the minimum payment on their CCs.
I guess that would count as “raising capital”.
I doubt that Citi will make any similar offers to those deadbeats who pays the card down to zero every month. (Yes, the credit industry calls them deadbeats.)
‘Scuse the typo. I should have said PAY the card down to zero.
ok slim, when you typed “pays” instead of “pay”, I almost started another diatribe against women ….
but I hit the “sauce” & feel much better now.
No, they call them transactors and the people who pay the minimum are called revolvers.
“I doubt that Citi will make any similar offers to those deadbeats who pays the card down to zero every month. (Yes, the credit industry calls them deadbeats.)”
Actually they call them transactors and the people who pay the minimum are called revolvers.
Transactors usually have a much shorter billing cycle (no less than 20 days) revolvers usually have a 27 billing cycle (from printing statement to due date).
Wow, housing went up 400% over a decade in Ireland!!!!
I believe they have a ten percent vacancy rate in Ireland.
Figures.
My Irish relatives are going to be in deep sheep again.
I believe there are neighborhoods in and around Truckee, California, where the same could be said over the last decade.
To bad, sounds like Taylor Wimpey got to big for their knickers, and over stepped their bounds, time to pay the piper. Down you may go Old Chap.
“Taylor Wimpey’s shock warning today that it will take months to secure a rescue package from investors and that it could breach its banking covenants next February, analysts say there is ‘a very real danger’ that Britain’s biggest housebuilder by volume could collapse”.
“I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a pier loan today.”
–Wimpey
Back away from the loan, Harmburger
Seeking restitution from Countrywide Financial Corp. through the lawsuits filed by attorneys general in Florida, California and Illinois might have seemed a fool’s errand when the big mortgage player was reeling toward bankruptcy this year.
That all changed Tuesday when Bank of America Corp. completed its purchase of the embattled company…putting it on the hook for the results of any suits. ‘There is technically a deep pocket. They’ve acquired them, they assume their liabilities,’ Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum said Tuesday in announcing his Countrywide legal action.
So what do the honchos and bean counters at B of A know?
They’re taking on thousands of crap loans, defaults, and writedowns, plus the potential liabilities resultant from three state lawsuits (and counting).
Why go through with the deal?
What kind of “restitution” do these states think they’re going to get? The only people due “restitution” are the people who paid TOO MUCH TAX for houses that were not worth what the STATES were taxing them for.
Are the states going to offer tax rebates based on the real values that houses should have been all along?
I doubt it.
Yeah, but who would have thought they’d get money from cigarette companies when the whole damned world knew that smoking was bad for you 50 years ago?
New method of raising revenue. Can’t raise taxes any more to fund out of control public pensions? Sue for some speculative damage against someone that is “out of favor” with a deep pocket! Oh. And don’t forget. The “Lawyers for Justice” (p/k/a “Trial Lawyers” p/k/a before that “Ambulance Chasers”) get 40% as it passes through them.
I have been with BofA for 27 years, I am seriously thinking about bailing to another bank. For the life of me, I can’t see why they are buying CFC, it’s crazy!
With all of the tie-ins that all the financial institutions have these days, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if their hands is basically being forced… You think JP Morgan really wanted to buy Bear Stearns??
that’s “hand is”
Simply because it strokes the CEO’s ego. I worked for a company that made a similarly bad buy. I was going WTF? while most employees were oblivious to the real situation. The company ultimately got bought out, after its stock dropped about 75%.
Looked what happened to WAMU after the idiot CEO purchased the Long Beach mortgage Broker…They are just a “shell” of what they once were…
Like AOL/Time Warner, which was supposed to be the next best thing to sliced bread. Only people who made money off that deal were the one’s that made money on ‘the deal.” Probably the same incentive for the B of A execs and their deal brokers.
I think they are doing it because they believe that there will be a bottom to the housing market soon and that CFC will go right back to its Ponzi scheme.
“are doing it because they believe that there will be a bottom to the housing market soon and that CFC ”
Guy on CNBC had it right..because the congressional bailout will let them buy out with the housing rescue money…probably even get to cut in line at the FED window. Either that or Mozillo and his knuckle busters made him “An offer he couldn’t refuse”
In 1990, the land upon which the imperial palace in Tokyo was built was valued at more than the entire real estate of Canada, the second largest country in the world. When I read the silly valuations in the ‘Irish Times’ property section…I am reminded of the Japanese Imperial Palace delusion.
Gaaahhhhhhhhh!
It is somewhat heartening to realize that we Americans have no corner on the market for hubris, greed and stupidity … isn’t it?
As long as the Guinness factory survives - that’s all I care about. Without those dang Belgians gettin’ their hands on it.
Question for the historians out there: when the Japan housing bubble popped, was there widespread “jingle mail” happening? Foreclosures? Or did the market just shut down and everybody stayed in their houses?
Just wondering how similar the scenario was for the average FB in Japan in the 90s.
One MAJOR factor that separates the Japanese housing bubble from ours is, credit cards were still pretty new there, and it was a country so flush with cash, you wouldn’t believe it.
Compare and contrast to our bubble…
My wife says her brother went to the bank and refied their house to the tune of half what the mortgage had been. He basically said the house isn’t worth as much as what we owe, so let’s chop the price in half and we’ll pay that. This was in Hiroshima a couple years after the bubble popped.
Rob
“And in Victoria and Vancouver, there is new evidence of some prices coming down. ‘They [buyers] just couldn’t afford it,’ she said of the boom years. ‘Who can? Think about it; it is ridiculous.’”
What happened to all of those Hong Kong millionaires who used to prop up the market? I would have thought they would be heading back to China with the new capitalism and the Hang Seng exploding (until recently that is). Since most of the oil is in Alberta, I never understood what was the real underpinning of Vancouver’s economy if not the influx of foreign money.
It
hashad to be real estate.“‘This isn’t about some ideological issue,’ she said. ‘This is about people being thrown out of their castles - their home - and thrown into the moat, and it is about communities that then begin to wither.’”
Barbara, I’m thinking 1789, Robespierre, and Marie Antoinette. Don’t forget you’ve got low income constituents too…
A know a Gila teen that’s out of work, a bit rusty.
Low income constituents don’t make campaign contributions….
But when they get thrown out of their castles, they get angry. Think “LA riots 1992″ levels of anger here.
“‘This isn’t about some ideological issue,’ she said. ‘This is about people being thrown out of their castles - their home - and thrown into the moat, and it is about communities that then begin to wither.’”
Just because it’s got bars on the windows and needs a moat doesn’t mean it’s a castle even if it was priced like one.
“Thomas Luzier, a real estate attorney with Sarasota’s Dunlap & Moran, said that…his own experience was that many borrowers he counseled knew the mortgages they were getting into were risky, but thought they had it covered.
“‘The typical response was, “I have a plan,” Luzier said. ‘They would say to me, “The market is great, this investment is going to pay off for me.” And later on if they got into trouble they could always refinance, they thought.’”
THEN THIS:
“Now, Luzier is getting calls almost daily from those looking to find a way out. ‘It’s the flip side now,’ he said. ‘People admit they took a risk, they know they got in over their heads. Now they need help to minimize the damage.’”
THESE are the people Congress pretends have been victimized? Sure, there were many ignorant poor people suckered into buying, but I suspect most of the people buying knew exactly what they were doing: trying to get something for nothing and to live the way television characters live. However, most of these wannabes were ignorant of actual values. Anyone who would agree to pay hundreds and hundreds of thousands of borrowed dollars for a slum dwelling or glitzy stuccoed cardboard box is obviously too stupid to be a responsible home-owner.
Excellent post. The loanowners are the poster children for trying to get a taxpayer bailout, but it was also everyone from the Fed and Wall Street on down who is guilty of rolling the dice here.
Everyone thought they’d buy and pull as fast one on the next GF. They got caught and now they have their foot nailed to the floor. It’s kind of hard to move out QUICKLY running in circles, screaming and shouting. Ouch !
I guess if property values crater in the rest of the world, that will finally put and end to the “Foreign investors will save the U.S. real estate market” claim being peddled by the “real estate experts”.
You mean to say that British buyers aren’t coming to South Florida to resuscitate our housing market?
One local real estate genius with a radio show is touting that “young people moving out of their parents’ houses” is the current untapped market that will save us from our housing death-spiral. I am sure JSP Jr. is going to cash in his XBox to buy a house right now…
Yeah? The only house my youngest could afford is one I give her.
“After years of listening to customers vent about soaring housing prices, says North Vancouver realtor Jackie Reid, it’s nice to see a return to days where buyers have more selection and bidding wars are scarce.”
“And in Victoria and Vancouver, there is new evidence of some prices coming down. ‘They [buyers] just couldn’t afford it,’ she said of the boom years. ‘Who can? Think about it; it is ridiculous.’”
*****
“It is ridiculous”
Since they can say it in Canada, when will we hear realtors in the Alt-A Bay say such a thing?
Hey tx,
Looks like you may have gotten your W.
nah, probably gonna crash like ‘02 after the 4th
any of you commie libs care to comment?
http://www.redstate.com/stories/elections/2008/obamas_countrywide_like_sweetheart_mortgage_deal
any of you commie libs care to comment?
When do we get to see detailed financial disclosures from Sugar Momma McCain?
I managed to miss this a few weeks back: McCains report more than $100,000 in credit card debt — even though Momma can prob’ly pay that off without batting an eye, it’s still a pretty large number.
She also didn’t pay her property taxes until it hit the national press. Only little people have to pay those.
any of you commie libs care to comment?
A $1.32 million loan? Even with $300K down, that’s huge. However, their income clearly had increased that year and it was not an unreasonable expectation that they were good for the money.
Now the mildly decreased interest rate is pure pettiness. First, there are no comparables for a loan that size. Secondly, he got 31 basis points off the average rate. No screaming hell, it works out to about $300/month. Thirdly, average rates mean just that…average. So approximately half the rate offerings were above 5.93%, and half below (yes, I know ‘average’ does not = median).
Fourthly, I will bet anything that politicians on both sides of the aisle have gotten good terms, if people only looked. McCain got the best deal of all: a beer
mistressheiress 18 years his junior.I make one comment, not entirely on topic
El Rushbo made the same amount of money in one day for talking on the radio as Bubba Clinton did in 8 years of pimping the Presidency for money.
I think Bubba’s speaking fee is now larger than Rushbos.
Look out…it’s a speaking fee bubble!!
I take that back…Just heard about the Clear Channel deal.
That’s classic Chicago machine politics. Like an aquarium full of slick fish they are. Observe and learn.
About as damning as one of McCain’s assistants forgetting to pay a tax bill. I know ppl that got better rates than that during the time period, and it is hard to say he was any higher risk.
It’s a nonissue.
Orange you glad he didn’t name any names?
“McCabe also said it is possible criminal charges will arise against certain top executives at Countrywide. The mortgage market needs to see prosecutions of those who had a large hand in creating the current crisis, he said.”
BRs:
Hefty Hefty Hefty!
FBs:
Wimpy Wimpy Wimpy!
What the hell is someone who makes 12.50 an hour doing buying a $280,000 house. How about some personal responsibility here. If he did not understand the loan or what a real payment for a house of this cost is then he should not be buying.
You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink. You can take a buyer to escrow but you can’t make him sign escrow docs.
Should the gubment really be bailing people out who are so massively uninformed. This will encourage them that the nanny state will be there once again to help save them from their own ignorance.
Uh….
What the hell is ANYONE buying a house for $280,000 dollars for?
“The traumatic property experience of Japan. A monumental boom in the late 1980s and early 1990s reversed dramatically and house prices fell by 76.4pc from the peak.”
Shogun meet show gun.
Unfortunately the Japanese didn’t learn there listen and there currently trying again.
The average income in central Tokyo is around 65k a year (and dropping yearly by a large factor) and the average price of a “home” depending on size is around 100k per 100 square feet!
I received a brochure for some luxury condos and the cheapest apartment was 950k and was about 850 square feet. The largest was about 1700 square feet and asking price was $4m!
I think the only people are buying are pachinko business exectuives.
10-12 times income here is common now and there is a crazy building boom ’still’ going on here.
But because rents and the whole rental property system is the dumbest thing in the world in Tokyo, it is cheaper to buy then rent here.
If I moved to the same priced apartment in Tokyo (about 2400/month) it would run me over well over 20k almost 30k to move!
It breaks down to this:
Key money is two months (gift to landlord, but heard it’s a gvmnt tax)
deposit is two months, three months if you have a pet ( I have a cat)
agent fee is one month
first month’s rent.
Plus mover fees (you almost need to hire one because of the narrow hallways and goofy buildings here)
So… 2 + 3 + 1 + 1 = 7 months rent to move + moving fee ~$4k.
It’s cheaper to move back to Los Angeles!
An on top of it, Tokyo one of the ugliest cities on the planet, and has got to have some of the worst housing stock in the industrialized world). Mile after mile after tiny junky, poorly built houses. I fear the day that a massive quake hits Tokyo. It will make the fire bombing of Tokyo look like a weenies roast!
But a friend, co-workers (many who have lived here for ages) think the
whole system here is going to collapse following the US. There economy is still too dependent on exporting crap to the West instead of selling crap to themselves.
The Japanese here are no longer savers, mainly they can’t afford it, at least in Tokyo. Other J-cities are more reasonable, but still not doing well. The Japanese are now debtors themselves.
Sorry I sometimes need to reiterate this rant every so often when people bring up the Japanese and their 80’s bubble..
(I think I’ve lived in Tokyo too long)
Erin go broke…
“Could it happen here? Will Irish house prices fall back to levels seen in 2000/2001 or even to levels seen last century? Will our house prices drop by 70pc before they stabilise?”
As a resident of Victoria, BC. Real Estate is only beginning to decline here. Inventory is only this year beginning to pile up while the level of sales goes the opposite direction. There are no real deals, and those apparent ‘deals’ are still being snapped up.
Going entirely off headlines, and general prevailing wisdom. We are approximately 2yrs behind where the US is. A simple 25% correction would make most places much more attractive on the rent/buy ratio. Our sub prime market is different. As far as I’m aware, IO loans exist but in much smaller numbers. Majority of the price stretching was done via 40yr amortization + variable rate.
Bank of Canada did release a study that showed 75% of the time we are in the same general housing market as the US. Though our correction periods were shorter and more violent.
But then, you know how it is… “Everybody wants to live in Victoria.”, “The rich are buying up the properties.” and “But the Olympics are coming.”
I’m noticing things are slowing down here in Vancouver … despite the “things are different here” ranters. Noticed about 15 open houses in a small district North Vancouver during the weekend… Didn’t see any with any traffic though…
Martin Wolf: the lessons from today’s financial crisis
By Martin Wolf
Published: July 2 2008 03:00 | Last updated: July 2 2008 03:00
“We told you so.” The Bank for International Settlements has long warned of the dangers of unrestrained credit growth and asset price inflation. In this year’s annual report, the last to be prepared under the direction of William White, its long-serving Canadian economic adviser, it felt free to point out how right it had been. But it did so with restraint: “Rather than seeking to apportion blame,” it says, “thoughtful reactions must be the first priority.”
The report provides just such reactions. But it also describes the mess created by those who ignored its earlier warnings. “The current market turmoil in the world’s main financial centres is,” it claims, “without precedent in the postwar period. With a significant risk of recession in the US, compounded by sharply rising inflation in many countries, fears are building that the global economy might be at some kind of tipping point. These fears are not groundless.”
As readers of BIS annual reports would expect, this one gives good answers to four big questions.
First, why did it happen?
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This then brings us to a second question: how big are the risks now?
The answer is: very large.
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The third big question is what policies we need right now. The BIS view is that the right bias in monetary policy is towards being “much less accommodating”.
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The fourth and biggest question concerns the lessons we need to learn. Some instability is a normal part of a capitalist economy. But I do not accept that the huge bubbles in equities and housing over the past decade are normal. Moreover, even if normal, they cannot fall within any definition of desirability.
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The aim is clear: it is neither to prevent institutions from going bust nor to eliminate the cycle of boom and bust. The former is undesirable and the latter impossible. The aim is to reduce the frequency and severity of crises. It is not enough to say that we can clear up afterwards. That is too complacent and too one-sided.
We do not have all the answers. But, to its great credit, the BIS has at least defined the right questions.
“The aim is to reduce the frequency and severity of crises. It is not enough to say that we can clear up afterwards. That is too complacent and too one-sided.”
In the olden days, this approach was metaphorically referred to as ‘leaning into the wind.’
Sounds like pissing into the wind and urine for it, then.
Ambac took the red pill*
* side effects include an inability to acertain value
Hahahahah
President Bush’s economic stimulus package, which appears so far to have been ineffective in stroking the economy to life, is giving an unexpected raise to the porn industry.
From an Adult Internet Market Research Company press release:
An independent market-research firm, AIMRCo (Adult Internet Market Research Company), has discovered that many websites focused on adult or erotic material have experienced an upswing in sales in the recent weeks since checks have appeared in millions of Americans’ mailboxes across the country.
According to Kirk Mishkin, Head Research Consultant for AIMRCo, “Many of the sites we surveyed have reported 20-30% growth in membership rates since mid-May when the checks were first sent out, and typically the summer is a slow period for this market.”
chick, why do you think they call them “F#@ked Buyers”?
That’s rich =) Quite the stimulus package indeed!
Youporn ftw lol.. And I didn’t get no steenking check, damn poor get all the breaks…