July 2, 2008

Catching Up With The Reality We Already Know

The Press Democrat. “State law enforcement officials are investigating whether 70 investors, most from Sonoma County, were swindled when they put up $6.4 million for construction loans on Malibu land that may be undevelopable. Many of the same investors also contend they lost $3.5 million on four Sonoma County land deals brokered by the same Santa Rosa lender.”

“They have filed a series of lawsuits against the broker, Charlene Goodrich. ‘We’re out a lot of money,’ said Fred Mann, a Cloverdale retiree and one of the investors.”

“Goodrich has denied the allegations in the lawsuits. ‘They were told in the documents that a portion of it could be used to pay for the land,’ she said. ‘It was a good idea when the market was good. Everyone was making money.’”

The Tribune. “In the latest move by regulators against troubled Paso Robles lender Estate Financial, the state’s Department of Real Estate has accused the company of misrepresentations and ‘dishonest dealing’ when investing in some of its projects.”

“Estate Financial had built a $340 million real estate investment portfolio with more than 3,000 investors-900 of whom live in San Luis Obispo County-over the past 15 years.”

“The firm pooled investors’ money to make high-interest loans to real estate developers.”

The Daily Bulletin. “Due to declining revenue, Ontario officials deleted 25 personnel positions from the city’s 2008-09 operating budget. This downturn is is clearly seen in development-related revenues, which have dropped by 54 percent from the 2007-08 adopted budget.”

“‘The biggest change is revenues are down somewhat, primarily in sales tax and development fees,’ said Greg Devereaux, Ontario’s city manager. ‘In the past few years, we had to worry about keeping pace with the growth.’”

“Rental prices for single-family homes keep climbing in the Inland Empire. But the spike over the last six months wasn’t as huge as some experts anticipated.”

“With a glut of homeowners becoming delinquent on their mortgages in early 2008, some property managers said troubled lenders would foreclose immediately, forcing ex-homeowners to frantically search for rentals to live in, driving up demand and prices for rentals.”

“I thought rates were going to skyrocket,” said Steve Thomas, co-owner of Rancho Cucamonga-based CIG Property Management and Investment. ‘As I get calls from tenants, I think I know why they’re not.’”

“One reason: Some of those delinquent homeowners are moving into apartments while renting out their homes, thus pouring rentals into the market.”

“‘It’s putting properties that would not necessarily be on the market, on the market,’ Thomas said.”

“But he doesn’t expect it to last long. Many of those delinquent landlords will eventually end up in foreclosure, and banks will pull those properties from the rental market.”

The Press Enterprise. “When Wildomar residents wake up today they will stop being county residents and become city folk. As residents and officials celebrate the incorporation, a cloud of financial caution hangs in the air. The housing market collapse and a slowdown in the overall economy have critics concerned about the future of the 24-square-mile city and officials anxiously awaiting a city budget.”

“‘If I didn’t have faith in this community becoming a city and dealing with this economy, I wouldn’t have run for City Council,’ said Councilman Scott Farnam. ‘Who wants to be known as the council that put their city into bankruptcy?’”

“Since the vote…more and more brown lawns — often signs of foreclosures — are seen across the newer tract homes in Wildomar. Farnam is a Realtor, so he sees the foreclosed homes in Wildomar. He said a search on the Multiple Listing Service in the past month showed at least 300 Wildomar homes in foreclosure.”

“Councilwoman Sheryl Ade said although not as many homes are being sold, commercial and office space continues to open in the city. ‘We even have a number of hotels interested in the area. We can be like La Quinta without the golf courses,’ she said.”

“Independence Day will have some competition in Corona, where city leaders this week kicked off a new ‘holiday’ for homeowners. During July and August, single-family homeowners will be able to add rooms and patio covers without paying hundreds of dollars in city permit and plan-check fees.”

“Mayor Jeff Miller proposed the program at the start of his term as a way for residents to combat the loss of home values during the housing slump.”

“‘The intent is to give people a break and help them bring their neighborhoods up,’ City Manager Beth Groves said. ‘In the end, we hope enough people will take advantage to help face-lift entire neighborhoods.’”

The Union Tribune. “A report issued Wednesday by the California Reinvestment Coalition says lenders are doing too little too late to help distressed borrowers avoid foreclosure. In the survey of 42 nonprofit loan counseling and legal services offices statewide, 90 percent of those polled said it was ‘very common’ for their clients to have received adjustable-rate loans they couldn’t afford.”

“Today loan servicers ‘continue to turn to foreclosure as their most common response to borrowers in distress,’ the report said. Sixty-eight percent of those who took the April coalition survey said foreclosures are a very common outcome for their clients.”

“Foreclosures in San Diego County hit a record 1,556 properties in May, while lenders started foreclosure proceedings by issuing notices of default on 3,139 dwellings.”

The North County Times. “Downward pressure on home prices in San Diego County is unlikely to ease soon, according to a report released Tuesday.”

“The PMI Group, a mortgage insurer, pegged the likelihood that San Diego County home prices would decline over the next two years at 78 percent, the 13th-highest probability of the 381 cities surveyed.”

“Also, investors are betting that future declines will be significant, according to recent activity on a housing futures index traded on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.”

“But one local analyst is not buying the futures trading. ‘Look at what the stock market did with all their bets on the housing market,’ said Nathan Moeder, a principal with a San Diego realty analysis firm. ‘Everyone just thought it was going to go up, up, up, and now they just think it’s going to fall, fall, fall.’”

The Marin Independent Journal. “About 2,600 Marin properties have been reduced in value in the county’s biggest reassessment purge of the past several years. ‘We haven’t had large numbers over the last two to five years,’ said Richard Benson, Marin County’s assistant assessor.”

“He said 475 property values were reduced last year, and 421 properties the year before that.”

“Levi Swift, president of the Marin Association of Realtors, was not surprised by recent reductions. ‘It pretty much falls in line with the reduction in property sales and values we’ve seen over the past year,’ he said. ‘It’s not a leading indicator certainly. It’s a lagging indicator, catching up with the reality we already know.’”

“Prudential California Realty is closing its office on Lootens Place in San Rafael along with satellites in Fairfax and Woodacre. Prudential is one of several real estate companies that has closed or consolidated in Marin.”

“‘Rather than holding on to these offices and waiting for them to turn around, we decided to leave,’ said Cathy Harrington, director of marketing. ‘At this time we don’t have any plans to come back to Marin.’”

“As of May 31, the number of homes sold in Marin was down 34 percent from the same period in 2007, according to the Marin Association of Realtors. Levi Swift, president of the association, said the slowdown in sales is due to the credit crunch and failure of the subprime market.”

“‘The subprime market has come home to roost with a vengeance,’ Swift said, adding that the county has a lot of inventory that needs to be sold off.”

“He called the current situation a constriction of the industry that is forcing out agents who are new or dabble in the business part time. Swift said many of the agents who have gotten real estate licenses in recent years were taking advantage of a booming market.”

“‘I would call them opportunistic real estate licensees,’ Swift said.”

From The Argus. “All hands on deck! The Tri-City area’s unique pirate store plans to abandon ship after nearly three years on the stormy retail seas. Owner Don Hatcher said SeaWolf Trading Co. will raise anchor by Aug. 31, when the store’s lease is up.”

“‘We did great the first year, but we’ve been in the swamp for the past year, ever since the foreclosures started,’ he said. ‘We started to immediately see sales start slumping. People come in the store and they’re like, ‘Why are you closing?’ I don’t know if people don’t see what’s happening around them.’”

“Rather than struggle against the tide, Hatcher said he decided not to sink more money into the niche business. ‘We knew going into this that any business is risky,’ he said. ‘We thought we’d try to create something fun in Fremont. A more traditional business would be able to weather the storm better.’”

“Hatcher also was a vendor at last month’s second Northern California Pirate Festival in Vallejo. He said plenty of people attended but seemed to spend less than at last year’s fest.”

“He plans to sell off the décor, including an elaborate treasure cave, as well as the discounted wares before the store is sent to Davy Jones’s locker. ‘At first it’s shocking, you know,’ he said. ‘At a certain point you just kind of accept it and make plans for the next step.’”




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Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-07-02 15:36:47

Peak Smug

“About 2,600 Marin properties have been reduced in value in the county’s biggest reassessment purge of the past several years. ‘We haven’t had large numbers over the last two to five years,’ said Richard Benson, Marin County’s assistant assessor.”

Comment by Incredulous
2008-07-02 16:01:55

I was watching Gilligan’s Island yesterday from 1965, the women were moving across the island and Thurston Howell III said Mrs Howell wouldn’t last long “without the credit card”. I was under the impression that credit cards didn’t gain mass acceptance until the 70’s, does anyone know?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-07-02 16:06:25

I remember my mother using charge plates at the department stores. They were the same dimensions as a modern-day credit card, but the plastic was much thicker. It had to be — those department store imprinters were beefy.

As for credit cards, I seem to recall them being a tool of the very rich until the 1980s.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-07-02 16:15:35

I remember asking my parents what “Visa” and “Diner’s Club” meant when they went to the travel agents to book my first airline flight at age 5 (1973). The logos were pretty colorful.

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Comment by REhobbyist
2008-07-02 21:49:41

I worked in a restaurant in 1973 and we took Diner’s Club and American Express. I remember having to call and talk to a person to approve each charge. As I recall, about half the customers paid cash and half charged. I got my first VISA card in 1975.

 
Comment by bulwark
2008-07-02 23:31:49

I went to Brazil in 1977. The supposed founder of MasterCard was having dinner at a table next to us. They were way behind on billings and collections because they were just getting off the ground.

 
 
Comment by JP
2008-07-02 17:09:00

As for credit cards, I seem to recall them being a tool of the very rich until the 1980s.

Albert Collins (great blues guitarist) had a song on an 1978 album with the chorus: “Master Charge, BankAmericard” (which were the prior names of Mastercard & Visa). Pretty funny song too.

Anyway, my point is the bluesmen already had credit card songs on albums by 1978.

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Comment by are they crazy
2008-07-02 18:16:07

Ahoy there maties:

Pirate store - really? That beats make your own candles and gourmet dog treats. Niche business my whatever - more like ninkumpoop business.

As I recall, Master Charge started at United California Bank. Sent my parents one with $500 limit because they had an account there. They spent that sucker in less than an hour.

 
 
Comment by SV guy
2008-07-02 19:38:19

I was out to dinner with a good friend and his father (who was like a second dad to me).

Anyway, my friends father was always well to do.

He was the first caucasian to sit on the BOD of a MAJOR Japanese company. That’s just one example of his career.

We are sitting at Tony Roma’s, a rib place.

The bill arrives, the waitress leaves, and he whips out the AE Platinum card. Back in the early ’80’s that said something. Anyway, I had been flirting with this waitress, so I grabbed his card in full view and waited for the waitress to return. She returned and I presented my card.

She about dropped to her kness right there.

Apparently she hadn’t fully recognized my animal magnetism until that point.

I have experienced similar situations over the years, since with my own money.

One of the many reasons I love my wife is she loved me when I was poor.

Mike

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Comment by Big V
2008-07-02 21:21:55

She was probably hoping for a good tip, SVG.

 
 
Comment by SaladSD
2008-07-02 20:28:00

My folks basically thought that having a credit card was being in league with the Devil, and that my friend’s parents who used them in the late 60s early 70s were basically shiftless pot smokers. My folks held out until the 80s, same with keeping their rotary dial phone (the phone company used to charge extra for push-button phones).

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Comment by Eggman
2008-07-02 16:22:26

I recently used interlibrary loan (Link+ if you live in CA - very nice) to get ahold of a history of the Visa card. It was a very one-sided coffee table book, but it did give me an interesting perspective on plastic. We usually look at it as an abused evil, but when they were introduced they actually fit into an unserved market for small casual loans that banks otherwise didn’t have the wherewithal to make.

 
Comment by desmo
2008-07-02 17:00:53

I was under the impression that credit cards didn’t gain mass acceptance until the 70’s, does anyone know?

Thurston was probably referring to the department store cards that were big back in the 70’s.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-07-02 19:03:39

Frequently on The Flintstones, also circa 1960s, Wilma and Betty frequently ran off to go shopping with the battle cry of “Charge it!”

Comment by BKlawyer
2008-07-02 23:54:32

Diners club first came out in 1958.

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Comment by Itsabouttime
2008-07-03 02:09:05

Interesting. Waayyyy back in the 1960’s cartoons they started preparing todays grown-ups to gleefully become debt slaves. Looks like they succeeded.

IAT

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Comment by makeschips
2008-07-03 11:02:04

I got a “Welcome to Adulthood” gift package when I enrolled in college - this would have been 1968. It was a bunch of freebee marketing junk and coupons. I think it included cigarettes, Excedrin, and a Time magazine coupon. The girls got a Tampon.

I received a ‘pre-approved’ application for a credit card. IIRC it had a $200 max line-of-credit. I passed because I didn’t have a checking account yet so payment would have been a hassle.

 
 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-07-02 16:06:27

“As of May 31, the number of homes sold in Marin was down 34 percent from the same period in 2007, according to the Marin Association of Realtors. Levi Swift, president of the association, said the slowdown in sales is due to the credit crunch and failure of the subprime market.”

Levi, you are a total douche! The “slowdown” has nothing to do with subprime loans, which likely were never a significant factor in Marin. The slowdown is due to your ridiculous f#@!&ng prices!

 
Comment by Red Baron
2008-07-02 16:13:49

“Levi Swift, president of the Marin Association of Realtors, was not surprised by recent reductions. ‘It pretty much falls in line with the reduction in property sales and values we’ve seen over the past year,’ he said. ‘It’s not a leading indicator certainly. It’s a lagging indicator, catching up with the reality we already know.’”

YOU FOOL! Mr. Swift needs a swift kick in the ass. The Marin housing market is going to get far uglier through 2011 as the option-ARMs that pumped up the false prosperity here recast and reset. The condo inventory in Marin is as high as it has ever been, and prices continue to get slashed. As the depression plays out further, people will be able to buy condos in Marin for less than the cost of renting them by 2010. If you don’t believe me, we can check back on this blog two years from now. Then we will see how prices have fared after thousands of people in Marin have lost their jobs.

By the way, contrary to all the nonsense in the media, San Francisco itself is not immune to the housing collapse. There are lots of small places in Nob Hill sitting on the market even after big price reductions.

Do the following to survive the depression–put these things on your refrigerator:

1. Get and keep a job.
2. Rent so you can be mobile for your job.
3. Save at least 25% of your after-tax income. Do not touch the stock market until the S&P 500 dividend yield is 4% (it is 2.4% now).
4. Eliminate debt unless you could pay it off if you lost your job.

Keep the popcorn popping,

Red Baron

Comment by Big V
2008-07-02 17:05:43

Marin is the same general area as Larkspur, right? I remember going to the jeweler there because my mom’s friend recommended him to make our wedding set. Upon each of our visits, we were preceded and followed by people with huge stones of various exotic composition, all wanting a custom cut and custom metalurgy. The jeweler told me that most of his customers come in with a diamond of at least 2 karats. I was like “Dude, how do all your customers make so much money?”. He snickered and said something about how we would eventually have a lot of money too, it was inevitable, our backgrounds were better than the other people’s backgrounds, and oh, something about credit cards.

That’s when I knew that the entire area was full of it. Kinda funny that an old-time jeweler would know so much.

Comment by Red Baron
2008-07-02 17:24:56

“Dude, how do all your customers make so much money?”

They don’t. People in Marin generally fall into one of two groups:

1. Trust-fund babies. A lot of people in Marin live off their family wealth and don’t work. That’s why you see so many people who don’t work living in multi-million dollar properties.

2. Status chasers. A lot of the rest of the people are borrowing to the max to keep up appearances. Most people living here are nowhere near as wealthy as they appear. The median household income in Marin is only about $70K. Even the two-income families pulling into $200K get to keep only $125K after the government gets done with them, which is nowhere near enough to support their lifestyles.

Keep the popcorn popping,

Red Baron

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Comment by Ernst Blofeld
2008-07-02 21:13:39

There are a lot of lawyers and such who work in the city and commute from Marin. It’s a popular alternative to Noe Valley, though more of a hassle because you have to get across the Golden Gate every day. But, yes, there are a lot of people living above their means, or who got their wealth and checked out, or got property back a few decades ago when it wasn’t as outrageously expensive.

 
 
 
Comment by mrincomestream
2008-07-02 18:08:50

“…Do the following to survive the depression–…”

Depression…? You’re kidding right…I mean none of the talking heads on T.V. have mentioned that…

Why such doom and gloom surely our government would not let that happen…right?

 
 
Comment by Big V
2008-07-02 16:58:54

My mom got her first credit card in 1966.

Comment by bayparkwatcher
2008-07-02 20:44:06

I got my first credit card in 1975 from Sears, with a $200 limit. They were practically giving them away on college campuses. Paid it off faithfully, then got MasterCharge (yes, I still remember the old name!).

 
 
Comment by packman
2008-07-02 20:29:48

You learn something new every day:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_cards#History

The concept of credit cards was introduced in 1887. The first cards were introduced in 1914, and achieving prevalent use in the late 1950’s with the Diners Club card.

 
 
Comment by EmperorNorton_II
2008-07-02 15:39:02

A frickin’ pirate store?

“All hands on deck! The Tri-City area’s unique pirate store plans to abandon ship after nearly three years on the stormy retail seas. Owner Don Hatcher said SeaWolf Trading Co. will raise anchor by Aug. 31, when the store’s lease is up.”

That’s it, we’ve found the dumbest business imaginable.

Call off the search…

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-07-02 15:53:16

‘He plans to sell off the décor, including an elaborate treasure cave, as well as the discounted wares before the store is sent to Davy Jones’s locker. ‘At first it’s shocking, you know,’ he said. ‘At a certain point you just kind of accept it’

I’m as shocked as anyone Don. What with all the candle making shops closing down, and the used house sales people going out of business, and the St Joseph statues not selling as quickly as expected, I worry about the states economic competitiveness.

Comment by MontereyJack
2008-07-02 15:56:49

I’m as shocked as anyone Don. What with all the candle making shops closing down, and the used house sales people going out of business, and the St Joseph statues not selling as quickly as expected, I worry about the states economic competitiveness.

The secret is to sell ST JOSEPH CANDLES! Can’t lose!

 
Comment by James
2008-07-02 15:58:58

Candle making sounds fun!

You can always go into the real pirate buisness. Lots of people will be soon.

 
Comment by Eggman
2008-07-02 16:28:38

I’ve actually shopped - and bought things - there, a nice decorated knit cap for my son for xmas, some ye-olde fake pirate ‘money’ for the wife. It is/was a gift shop with a pirate theme. Everything is full price and then some if you know what I mean, but very nice stuff, clothes, gift, toys, yadda. I believe the underpinnings of the shop were sales to pirate re-enactors (like civil war re-enactors, but way more fun - they “invade” Ren-fairs, for example, sometimes complete with their own ships if it’s near shore.) I recall they had clothing workshops on premises.

It wasn’t poorly done, but like I said, high-priced. It very well could have flown in, say, Orlando, or Aneheim, but Fremont?

Location, location, location.

Comment by Big V
2008-07-02 17:11:59

I posted about the store below.

I should go get a bunch of pirate stuff and then go out on the lake behind my house and invade the island. But I don’t really want to bother the birds that go there to get away from it all. That must be the same store where a lot of my neighbors went out and bought this net stuff with fake seashell lights on it. A lot of them have it draped on their fences backing up to the lake.

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Comment by desmo
2008-07-02 17:08:14

OT, with all the vigils going on now at accident sites, etc., I am thinking of opening a store to supply them, I would call it “Desmo’s Death Trinkets”

Comment by are they crazy
2008-07-02 18:21:09

Love. It.

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Comment by SaladSD
2008-07-02 20:44:48

Before the turismos took over downtown SD, there used to be a Museum of Death on 5th Avenue, with b&w crime/accident photos from the 50s, a burn-streaked Hanes t-shirt of an electrocuted death row convict, a clown painting by Gacy, and a live two-headed lizard, among other many oddities. I can’t recall what they actually sold there…. Downtown SD also used to have several great dive bars, including the Orient, which had an 8 to 1 barmaid to patron ratio, and a curious exit ala Behind the Green Door. Ah, the good ol’ seedy days.

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Comment by JP
2008-07-02 17:12:23

Yarrr. He should’ve abandoned ship after national talk like a pirate day.

 
Comment by auger-inn
2008-07-02 17:20:10

I think we found an inter-related theme. All the FB’s are buying a statute with the wish they don’t get pirated.

Comment by Big V
2008-07-02 17:21:42

Buying a what?

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Comment by pismoclam
2008-07-03 19:19:04

How about ‘doggie biscuits’ ? Eh ? hehehehehehehe

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2008-07-02 15:57:30

Emperor Norton,

You know things are tough when your neighborhood pirate store is going under. Here, just outside of Salem, OR we’ve had more fru-fru shops pop up than you can shake a stick at. Some of the ones ( usually decor, antiques or collectibles ) opened in ‘07, only lasted a few months. But Pirates… blimey!

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-07-02 17:26:47

He said “But Pirates.”

 
Comment by foreclose_me
2008-07-02 21:41:22

Big Whoop.

 
 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-07-02 16:02:12

This is merely a marketing issue.

Just change the store category from ‘retail’ to ‘religious’. The devotees of the Flying Spaghetti Monster call themselves Pastafarians, and the highest level of worship is to dress as a pirate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

Now not only do you get to cash in on evangelical Pastafarianism, but you get a tax writeoff as well.

Arrrh! 8)

 
Comment by crispy&cole
2008-07-02 17:08:12

ARRRR

BAHAHHAHAHAH

This is the best story in a long time!

Comment by Ken Best
2008-07-02 17:27:27

On Bakersfield related RE mess :

An article on Lehman at Fortune

http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/02/news/companies/lehman_sloan_boyd.fortune/index.htm

NEW YORK (Fortune) — To understand what went wrong at Lehman Brothers, leave the canyons of Wall Street and head to the flatlands of Bakersfield, 120 miles northeast of Los Angeles.

That’s where you’ll find McAllister Ranch, envisioned as a 6,000-home, multibillion-dollar recreational community built around a Greg Norman-designed golf course, boating and fishing waters and a beach club. Now McAllister is three-square miles of fenced-off, almost lunar landscape punctuated by a half-finished clubhouse and a golf course gone to weeds.

So far Lehman’s bets on McAllister and other real estate plays in Southern California’s Inland Empire have cost Lehman at least $350 million.

Comment by crispy&Cole
2008-07-02 18:06:23

Thanks!

I was contacted by the magazine last week and was waiting for this story.

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-02 18:27:36

But, but…

Who could resist the charms of the Inland Empire and Bakersfield?

 
Comment by packman
2008-07-02 20:33:52

Hey - I *love* vacationing in hot, smoggy, flat ratholes with no beach.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-07-02 15:46:14

From the original post:

Many of those delinquent landlords will eventually end up in foreclosure, and banks will pull those properties from the rental market.

To which I say, don’t expect this to happen quickly. Banks aren’t exactly setting speed records in their dealings with foreclosures.

Comment by James
2008-07-02 15:54:24

Sounds like the FDIC is pushing them.

On the forclosures…. How many are held by MBS/CDO holders? I don’t think they have the same rules as banks for unloading property.

That could put a kink in the expected time line.

 
 
Comment by friar john
2008-07-02 15:52:54

“Also, investors are betting that future declines will be significant, according to recent activity on a housing futures index traded on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.”

“But one local analyst is not buying the futures trading. ‘Look at what the stock market did with all their bets on the housing market,’ said Nathan Moeder, a principal with a San Diego realty analysis firm. ‘Everyone just thought it was going to go up, up, up, and now they just think it’s going to fall, fall, fall.’”

Well, let us do some research on Mr. Moeder and see how some of his past predictions have held up, oh here we go, from the san diego business journal on 10/30/2006…

London Group, Donald Trump Lead The Charge Down The Baja Peninsula

By PAT BRODERICK
Staff

Baja is booming.

So says Nathan Moeder, principal of London Group Realty Advisors Inc., which is working on a $250 million, 850-acre development along the Baja peninsula.

“The market there is here to stay,” said Moeder.

The San Diego-based London Group has teamed up with developer Grupo Lagza on a project in Salsipuedes that will include 2,700 condos, single-family homes and lots, hotels and resorts and retail services.

“This is the best piece of property in northern Baja,” said Moeder. “It reminds you of La Jolla before it was developed. It’s going to raise the bar for product types down there.”

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So Nathan, how is that Baja property working out for you and the company? Yeah, northern Baja is just like La Jolla, but with kidnappings, rape, and drug cartel shootouts every other week included. Where do I sign up?

Comment by DinOR
2008-07-02 16:01:01

Yeah, there was a story about a couple that went to the Pacific side to surf ( as they had for years ) and wound up getting brutalized. Made it very personal.

Well HE won’t be back and he’s telling everyone that will listen. Such a shame, Baja used to be a fun place. I gather, no more.

Comment by WhatOnceWas
2008-07-02 16:34:25

Go over the border?? Does anyone do that anymore? I don’t even go to the east side of town after 6 o’clock ..it’s getting seedier,and more dangerous by the week.

 
Comment by friar john
2008-07-02 16:56:25

When we heard about that story, that was pretty much it for going to tijuana, puerto nuevo, or rosarito ever again. Tourism fell off a cliff after that story aired and I have no idea how authorities in tijuana can ever get tourists back. Let’s see, cheap tequila or having a gun pointed to your head while your significant other gets raped? Who’s feeling lucky today?

Comment by Big V
2008-07-02 17:16:38

That sort of thing has been going on down there for years.

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-02 18:14:46

There’s something oddly disconcerting about 19 year old Mexican army privates stopping you on a road to nowhere, with their M-16’s @ the ready.

 
Comment by friar john
2008-07-02 18:50:25

Back in the 90’s, I went with some friends from ensenada to san felipe on the east side via this obscenely potholed two lane road in which we were the only car traveling. About half way to our destination, we see military personnel up ahead with the machine guns pointed at us. I vaguely recall an involuntary bowel movement soon thereafter. During the search, ostensibly for illicit drugs, they encounter an odd object and wonder what it is. Turns out it was a can of tennis balls and thus we explained to them, by way of interpretive movement with tennis rackets, how these yellow green balls came into play. We passed through with flying colors, only to feel the wrath of Montezuma’s Revenge soon after we got back to the states.

 
 
 
 
Comment by friar john
2008-07-02 16:09:57

I see Nathan’s true colors shining through…

http://www.londongroup.com/

“It’s hard to picture that the fundamentals of housing affordability in San Diego could fall to its lowest levels in 20 years. And if it did, we would have more severe economic problems than just a housing slump. It’s also important to understand that the various micro-markets in San Diego will stabilize at different times, particularly due to the concentration of foreclosures. But there are already some initial signs of stabilization in some of the coastal neighborhoods in San Diego. I don’t know if we’re there yet, but it might be closer than we think.”

Really? Stabilization on the coast, but the fun hasn’t even started there yet. And guess what, we do have more severe economic problems than just a housing slump. How are those unemployment numbers looking these days? Nathan needs to add an i to realty to get to reality.

 
Comment by Ceylon Tea
2008-07-03 07:13:47

I thought he said “the market here is there to stay” but then I reread it.

How violent is it down there? I’ve been down to Rosarito and it was fair enough with horses on the beach and all that, but I’m also always reading about the shootouts in Tijuana.

Comment by Ceylon Tea
2008-07-03 07:17:45

Sorry, just refreshed and found a whole discussion on Baja violence! Doesn’t sound good at all.

 
 
 
Comment by Yeti
2008-07-02 16:10:56

someone got angry about the falling price of their house and took it out on their realtor.

http://blog.mlive.com/chronicle/2008/07/realtors_worried_in_wake_of_sh.html

Comment by Ken Best
2008-07-02 17:33:20

Wow, another prediction from the housingbubbleblog coming true.
Blood on the street. Loan officers in hiding.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2008-07-02 17:34:09

What do you call one realtor shot to death in their office?

A good start.

Comment by oskar
2008-07-02 17:43:14

What is the difference between a realtor and a con man?

A con man knows when to leave town.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-07-02 17:54:07

“This can happen. There are crazy people losing money on houses,” Jensen said.

Should that instead read, “There are lots of people losing crazy money on houses”?

That particular Realtor may not have deserved what happened, but I doubt the industry will ever get the justice it deserves.

 
Comment by pismoclam
2008-07-03 19:30:21

He just wanted ‘out of the deal’ and his money back. Simple solution. Give it back or die. Realtor deserved his fate. hehehehehehe

 
 
Comment by Red Baron
2008-07-02 16:17:04

“Look at what the stock market did with all their bets on the housing market,’ said Nathan Moeder, a principal with a San Diego realty analysis firm. ‘Everyone just thought it was going to go up, up, up, and now they just think it’s going to fall, fall, fall.’”

What a fool. These scumbags need to find something else to do with their lives.

Keep the popcorn popping,

Red Baron

 
Comment by sf jack
2008-07-02 16:33:02

“About 2,600 Marin properties have been reduced in value in the county’s biggest reassessment purge of the past several years. ‘We haven’t had large numbers over the last two to five years,’ said Richard Benson, Marin County’s assistant assessor.”

“He said 475 property values were reduced last year, and 421 properties the year before that.”

*****

More from the Marin IJ article:

“Though striking, Benson said the reassessments take a back seat to reassessment activity in the mid-1990s.

‘We had a high of about 18,000 (properties reduced in value) in 1997 and then it dropped dramatically over the years,’ he said.”

*****

2,600 (today) versus 18,000 (1997)

If one is to judge by an apparent historical high in the number of reassessments, Marin has a long way to go.

1997 was seven or eight years after the last house price peak.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-07-02 17:24:42

Yes, it’s coming from a low base.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-07-02 17:58:43

“2,600 (today) versus 18,000 (1997)”

Could the relative number of potential walk aways be a factor? If you’re planning on staying in the house, appealing for a lower assessment makes sense. If you are planning on walking away, why bother.

 
 
Comment by Big V
2008-07-02 16:55:58

Hatcher also was a vendor at last month’s second Northern California Pirate Festival in Vallejo. He said plenty of people attended but seemed to spend less than at last year’s fest.”

They have a pirate festival in Vallejo? Dang, I should bring Pearsey up there. Well, this article is actually interesting to me because there is a McMansion on the corner down the way from my house that has this weird Halloweeny display in one of their windows, and I always wondered what it was. I’ll bet it was something they got from this nearby pirate store. I wonder if they are the owners (I don’t know their names). What a funny thing for the Argus to write about.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-07-02 17:26:54

I’m kinda surprised there is a pirate festival anywhere! Oh, right, this is California…

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2008-07-02 17:49:30

You mean “Clownafornia”. I like many things about california, but crystals and pirate shops aren’t on the list. They definitely put the clown in clownifornia.

 
Comment by oskar
2008-07-02 17:50:39

I assume Pittsburgh would have plenty of pirate festivals…I mean ballgames. I think tomorrow should be eye patch day in remembrance of all those pirate boutiques closing shop. If only they would change their store to sell Captain Morgan’s Rum exclusively and throw in parrot selling for good measure, they may have a viable business model.

Comment by mrincomestream
2008-07-02 18:02:57

Are the parrots really necessary…?

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Comment by joe momma
2008-07-02 18:12:21

I love the negativity towards California. It is so…I don’t know…juvenile?

Now if you want to start bashing Texas I am fully on board with that! What a complete shithole. And I’ve been through Arizona too. Not exactly paradise if you know what I mean.

But…McCrazy is from there so go figure.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-07-02 19:05:14

‘I love the negativity towards California.’

Just today I was reading about small towns in Norway having to do without police, fire support, and school teachers because people in CA wouldn’t pay back their loans. How proud you must be! CA is the laughingstock of the world due to their RE foolishness and inability to pay what they owe.

And wasn’t Orange County the epicenter of the subprime slime-balls? And Countrywide is headquartered there? Again, how proud you must be!

But whining is what you do best, mammas boy. Like I said, I still haven’t seen a FB from Texas with 15 houses. BTW, did you ever find your dolly?

I met a lot of nice people in CA, but you weren’t one of em. See ya you swashbuckling fool…

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Comment by JohnF
2008-07-02 19:14:27

That’s what you get for insulting Arizona…..

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2008-07-02 19:19:38

I’m a Texan who happens to live in Arizona, thank you very much.

 
Comment by JohnF
2008-07-02 19:26:28

Wow, 2 for 2 on one post….now that’s impressive!

 
Comment by Not TV's Andy Levy
2008-07-02 21:39:08

California Tool
Better silent than foolish
Don’t mess with Texas

- your Hai-jew for the evening..

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-07-02 23:49:25

Ouch! Apparently Joe Momma didn’t make a good impression at the get together.

 
Comment by dude
2008-07-03 06:31:39

Countrywide is headquartered near the LA/Ventura county line.

 
 
 
Comment by SaladSD
2008-07-02 20:57:23

Actually….there’s some huge pirate festival being held in Key West the end of November. Why on earth would I know this? Well, my family is vacationing there that week and we were told to reserve our hotel now, because the pirates will be taking over! RRRrrrrr

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-02 18:47:26

Happy Independence day to the 250 L.A. Times employees that no longer have a job…

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080702/la_times_cuts.html?.v=1

Newspapers are so very done.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-07-02 19:25:33

The layoffs are getting frightening. We had some more at work today, amongst the first in a very, very long time. I’m hoping that because I was laid off several times in the 1990s, when everyone else was banking, that somehow my life is out of phase with the rest of the world. Time will tell.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-02 19:31:48

I like how the newspapermen all of the sudden tell us how much we really need them, but, when we really needed them the last 7 years, they went AWOL on us.

Comes around, goes around…

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-07-02 19:17:48

‘Look at what the stock market did with all their bets on the housing market,’ said Nathan Moeder, a principal with a San Diego realty analysis firm. ‘Everyone just thought it was going to go up, up, up, and now they just think it’s going to fall, fall, fall.’

Your point is???

P.S. The NC Times link does not work.

 
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