July 6, 2008

Giving Buyers Back To The Rental Market

The Times Call reports from Colorado. “Randy Wilber moved his wife and two kids to Longmont in 2003. He bought a house here with an adjustable-rate mortgage. At first, his monthly payment was nearly $2,000. Two years into the loan, when his rate adjusted upward, the payment went up about $600 a month. At about the same time, Wilber’s wife switched jobs and their annual income dropped.”

‘Wilber immediately started working with the lender to try to lower the payments. ‘They really wouldn’t work with us at all on it,’ he said.”

“The couple soon got behind on their payments, and when the interest rate went up again, it brought their payment to $2,700 a month. Wilber went so far as to take a loan against his retirement account to keep up.”

“‘It put a lot of strain on my family, on my marriage,’ he said. ‘So about the same time, my marriage started to fall apart, too, and then there was no way I could continue making payments just on one paycheck.’”

“When Wilber stopped making mortgage payments, the lender agreed to move on the short sale. Five months after the house went on the market, the deal closed. The lender lost about $32,000 of the principal of the loan.”

“‘It actually was kind of a relief, but at the same time I felt bad - terrible,’ Wilber said. “I felt bad that I defaulted on a debt. I felt humiliated by the process that I had to go through.’”

“Wilber recently tried to buy another home and was told the short sale would affect his credit for another year. ‘That’s just cruel and unusual punishment, if you ask me,’ Ingvaldsen said.”

The Coloradoan. “Fallout from the subprime mortgage fiasco and a tight credit market have led to a resurgence in Fort Collins’ multifamily housing market while single-family building permits are on track to hit an 18-year low.”

“Homebuyers who might not have been able to afford to buy got into homes through subprime loans, no money down and 100 percent loan to value, said Rick Kness, managing broker at Keller Williams.”

“‘The real estate market stole from the rental market for their buyers,’ Kness said. ‘Now the real estate market is giving those buyers back to the rental market.’”

The Arizona Republic. “In a state where one in 20 mortgage borrowers is already at least 30 days behind on payments, more Arizonans than ever before will face the threat of foreclosure this summer as their adjustable-rate mortgage loans jump to a higher interest bracket.”

“As of February, an estimated 157,000 adjustable-rate loans had yet to reach their initial reset dates in Arizona, according to First American CoreLogic. The total value of those Arizona loans was roughly $38.7 billion, company spokeswoman Meghan Donovan said.”

“First American determined that nearly 10 percent of those loans would reach their initial reset dates between March and August, with the highest monthly total - about 2,600 loans, valued at nearly $665 million - occurring in July.”

“Most borrowers awaiting initial loan resets have accrued no equity because of plummeting land values, making it virtually impossible to refinance. For some of them, foreclosure is all but inevitable.”

“‘My opinion is that we haven’t seen the worst of it,’ said Kevin Murphy, executive director of Labor’s Community Service Agency in Phoenix. ‘People who got into those stupid loans did so with the idea that the property value would increase.’”

The Globest.com. on Arizona. “Harvard Investments Inc. and Meritage Homes of Arizona Inc. paid $27 million to acquire 650 acres of residential development land in the Lakes at Rancho El Dorado. The Scottsdale, AZ-based companies bought the property at auction from Wachovia Bank and Wells Fargo Bank, which had taken it back from a previous Meritage partnership.”

“It originally was bought for $39 million by Scottsdale-based Maricopa Lakes LLC, a partnership of Meritage and Scottsdale-based Hacienda Builders Inc. formed in November 2004.”

“The land is a mix of partially developed land and finished lots at the northeast corner of Smith Enke and Porter roads in Pinal County. The acreage is approved for construction of 1,985 single-family homes.”

The Arizona Daily Star. “The green and gold hills of the 530-acre Campstone property in Huachuca City ripple into the distance, surrounded by mountains and few signs of civilization other than an occasional plane from nearby Fort Huachuca. The owners, developers Michael Combs and Mark Johnson, want to add about 1,400 homes there - doubling the population of Huachuca City.”

“Combs and Johnson put their development companies into Chapter 11 bankruptcy last week to buy time. Mayor George Nerhan said the market already is in a slump, and a new development wouldn’t make sense. ‘It’s the wrong time,’ he said.”

“The credit crunch could make salvaging the plan difficult, said Neubeck, the planning consultant. It’s ‘very, very hard to get financing right now,’ he said. ‘The traditional banks, right now they won’t do raw land at all. You need to have so much liquidity that it’s pretty impractical.’”

The Yuma Sun from Arizona. “As testimony to the slow real estate market, there were no bidders for an auction last month of about 121 acres of state trust land located at 40th Street and Avenue 9E, said Jamie Hogue, deputy land commissioner.”

“The property had been appraised at $6.2 million. It will be at least a year before the land comes up for auction again, hopefully with a recovery of the market, Hogue said.”

“In contrast, New Sun Homes paid $14 million - twice the appraised value - for 160 acres two years ago after a bidding war with Elliott Homes.”

The Las Vegas Sun From Nevada. “At North Las Vegas’ Bargain Pawn, nearly every transaction has a back story: Someone is struggling through hard times. Lately the shop has been seeing a rush of middle-class customers. A lot of them seem to have jobs in real estate and auto sales, manager David Bramlett said.”

“Customers say they’re facing foreclosure, no longer have credit cards and need cash. That’s where Bramlett’s pawnshop comes in. They hock jewelry, electronics, guns. ‘They bluntly tell us, I never had to pawn anything in my life and here I am,’ he said.”

“Carolyn Trepner-Kirson, proprietor of a consignment shop that offers secondhand Gucci evening wear and Jimmy Choo sandals, has seen a 40 percent drop in business over the past five years.”

“And now it’s worse. Storefront signs advertise brands such as Chanel, Valentino and Prada, but a few weeks ago, Trepner-Kirson hand-wrote a larger and more telling message on the front door with white shoe polish: ‘Sale.’ She’s slashing prices.”

“Her customers have forsaken Armani and Prada for Target and Forever 21. She blames the economy. Realtors and mortgage brokers who used to be regulars come in sporadically, Trepner-Kirson said.”

“Customers who used to purchase a purse in every color are now buying one in a neutral shade. The woman who would replenish her wardrobe every season in better times might now make due with the same outfits for one more year.”

“And the clothes brought in to sell? They’re a little more tired than normal. ‘They’re resoling their shoes instead of buying new,’ she said. ‘There’s no money to buy a new pair of Manolo Blahniks.’”

“But, there is no shortage of people who want to exchange clothes for cash. In less than an hour on a recent weekday, three women entered the store bearing handbags, furs and armloads of sparkling evening gowns and St. John’s suits.”

The Telegraph on Nevada. “Casino owners in Las Vegas have been warned that America’s economic slowdown had left the gambling mecca facing ‘its most severe downturn ever.’”

“Keith Foley, a gaming analyst who tracks 55 gambling companies for Moody’s, said the casino industry was ‘in the midst of what could be its most severe downturn ever.’”

“‘After 9/11, when it bounced back really quickly, everyone thought Vegas was immune to just about anything,’ he said. ‘It is suddenly obvious and maybe kind of scarey that it is not.’”

In Business Las Vegas from Nevada. “Nevada’s unemployment rate made its biggest month-over-month jump since 1980, the earliest available numbers. This is the largest month-over-month change for the state’s unemployment rate, said Jered McDonald, an economist for the department’s research and analysis bureau.”

“‘It’s the biggest we’ve seen,’ McDonald said. ‘It’s a pretty big jump. Things are getting pretty bad.’”

“Construction job losses were responsible for the highest percentage of unemployment claims, he said, followed by office and administrative support, food preparation, sales and related fields, and management, he said.”

“‘It shows that we’ve got a lot of people hitting the job market looking for jobs that just aren’t there,’ McDonald said. ‘It’s hard to say: Is this a new level? Are we going to go up from here or down from here? It’s too early to tell.’”

The Review Journal from Nevada. “Nicolas and Juanita Cignetti are bringing down Las Vegas just as they built it, a little bit at a time. The Canton, Ohio, couple has been visiting Las Vegas — sometimes as often as six times a year — since the Rat Pack prowled the Sands hotel and a gallon of gasoline cost 33 cents.”

“Now gasoline costs more than $4 a gallon and the Cignettis aren’t planning a return to Las Vegas. Wall Street is fearful that middle-class vacationers like the Cignettis who helped fuel the rise of modern-day Las Vegas are ready to turn their backs on Sin City.”

“‘We are just going to hang tight until we see some relief,’ said Nicolas Cignetti. ‘I can wait until prices come down and, if they don’t, so be it.’”

“For the first time in recent memory, two benchmark indicators of the health of Las Vegas, the number of hotel rooms in development and airline seat capacity at McCarran International Airport, are moving in opposite directions.”

“According to the Official Airline Guide, seat capacity at McCarran is expected to decline 12 percent in the fourth quarter. Meanwhile, the number of available hotel rooms on the Strip is expected to increase 18 percent by the end of 2009.”

“‘They are worried,’ said Tom Parsons, CEO of BestFares.com, of the airlines. ‘You have to be worried, too, in Las Vegas. You are truly a discretionary city.’”

“The economic downturn grabbing national headlines looks very personal up close, in the midnight lighting of a Rapid Cash store on Nellis Boulevard. Between 9 p.m. and 1 a.m. on a nothing-special Friday, two dozen working Las Vegans find themselves where they never imagined they’d be: in line for a short-term loan just to make ends meet.”

“Rapid Cash employees see an appreciable increase in customers with variable-rate mortgage woes. ‘It’s really killing me,’ says Yvonne Acfalle, a 39-year-old banquet manager and mother of three, as she collects a short-term loan of $800 to avoid yet another late mortgage fee.”

“‘Even if I got a big raise,’ she says, ‘it still wouldn’t be enough.’”

“The mortgage Acfalle and her husband took out to buy a house in 2005 jumped from $1,200 to $1,600 per month in May, and probably will continue increasing every six months. She says she wants to sell, but can’t because her house has lost $50,000 in value.”

“‘I don’t know what we’re gonna do,’ she says.”

KCPW from Utah. “A new report from the Utah Foundation shows that purchasing a condo or townhouse, what’s known as multifamily housing, is becoming a popular choice for young Utah families. The main factor is the high appreciation rates of single-family homes.”

“‘And it used to be, just 3 years ago or so, a young Utah family could still find a single family home for $150,000 or something like that. And you just can’t find that anymore unless it’s very small and very old,’ says Utah Foundation Executive Director Stephen Kroes.”

The Spectrum from Utah. “Call it the state of real estate in Southern Utah, as homeowners, sellers and buyers attempt to adjust to a settling market after record appreciation took the nation by storm three years ago.”

“About a year ago, some buyers found their homes worth less than what they paid for them, and some sellers kicked themselves for not selling when the market was at its peak.”

“‘”We just got a notice the other day advising us to watch for foreclosed homes with pools that can now go bad without maintenance,’ said Ronnie Vause, a 36-year veteran of the real estate market.”

“The current housing market isn’t all doom and gloom in Southern Utah, although Washington County building permits are expected to be only 600 this year compared to a projected 1,200, said H. Allen Carter of Southern Utah Title.”

“‘We didn’t err in our calculations,’ Carter wrote of the figures that are at a 20-year low. ‘We simply underestimated the quantity of foreclosures and the speed with which lenders would bring the gavel down.’”

“Washington County prices dropped from an average of $339,135 in 2006 to today’s level of $219,140. ‘I’d say that home sales are picking up from what they were a year ago, but they’re selling for less,’ said Vause. ‘The downturn caught a lot of speculators by surprise, and most of them are facing losses because of it.’”

“‘As the market heated up in Vegas, it also heated up here,’ Vause explained. ‘On a percentage basis, we fared about like Vegas did, although we’re a much smaller population with a much smaller realtor population. Nevertheless, we saw prices go up while supply was at a minimum, making prices increase even more. St. George became a haven for investors.’”

“Cedar City has gained activity in real estate over the past six months, said Ron Ragona of Century 21 First Choice Realty. ‘Prices have dropped up here in the last year. Some of the expensive homes have dropped 20 to 25 percent,’ he said.”

“Duck Creek, which is about 30 miles east of Cedar City, has seen a downturn in activity for second-home residences, said Jerry Koller of Duck Creek Realty.”

“‘I’d say that sales fell as much as 75 percent,’ Koller explained. ‘We noticed the change beginning in June of ‘07. Since our market is directly related to Las Vegas, people are a little apprehensive about investing in the real estate market at the present time. People up here need to be more realistic with their sales prices. However, most people still haven’t lowered their prices.’”

“Koller said sales have been in the upper price ranges from $600,000 to $1.2 million. ‘We have a lot of stuff up here in that price range,’ he said. ‘Two years ago, cabins in the price range sold before they were ever completed. Now, they have been sitting on the market for three months. We need buyers. That’s for sure.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-07-06 08:22:11

‘In a state where one in 20 mortgage borrowers is already at least 30 days behind on payments’

Folks, that’s a huge number. And the Republic is responsible for a lot of it. Way to go guys, great job leading the state into recession!

This is where the usual LV posters trot out and announce how busy the Chuckey Cheeze was last night. Well, I ain’t buying it. You just can’t have a RE industry go from white hot to the WORST MARKET IN THE WORLD with out it causing major economic problems. And the gas headache only serves to prove that the Fed has it’s hands tied.

Comment by Mo Money
2008-07-06 09:42:01

If Arizona was smart, they’d be starting a campaign to lure solar companies for the cheap housing and weather. If San Jose with it’s nosebleed prices can attract business then so can AZ.

Comment by ws
2008-07-06 16:37:23

If California were smart, it would build it’s own version of Las Vegas in the area between Victimville and Barstow or just past Barstow on the 15.

 
 
Comment by steadykat
2008-07-06 09:43:09

The Spectrum made a lot of money off the real-estate market here in SoUtah. Besides the supplimental Saturday local housing insert (40-50 pages at the peak, now around 10) they also print the local Cedar City and St George Preview color real-estate magazines that one sees in every grocery store, Bank and retail businesses around the County.

Perhaps it’s me. But I think I would have started the article with “Median Price in Washington County drops by 35% (in the last two years)” instead of the rather innocuous title “Real Estate Makes Adjustment”.

I would also edit out the local real-estate meme, based on hope alone, that we can expect 2000 people to move here this year and the part where our Washington County association of realtors “leader” says that “now is a great time to buy!”.

Here is just one project, out of many stopped, that was halted two months ago and it doesn’t appear to be coming back anytime soon:
http://www.hvjournal.com/articles.php?id=3643&art_title=Spilsbury_Family_Raises_the_Bar_in_Local_Development

Here’s WAS their really nice website (click on the home prompt and you get “this site has been removed……):
http://www.collinatinta.com/site/neigborhood.html

Promised: 2200 homes, 900 acres total and over 10 million in impact fees for Washington County. Oh, and spas and gardens and a sense of class that a Town can expect from such a “grand Tuscan” development.

Reality: A bulldozed hill, rock stepped lots, a partly finished Nicklaus II golf course, some angry residents (who didn’t want this beast in their neighborhood) and zero in residential building impact fees.

Oh, and unhappy members of the family who thought this deal up standing at a chain link fence near the “entrance” telling you, in a polite way, to get away from the property.

I spent the Holiday driving around this County taking photos of the carnage. It isn’t pretty and in most areas I was the only person looking at the properties.

What I photographed were million dollar homes with plywood shuttered “doors” surrounded by porta potties, dumpsters full of garbage and discarded realty signs posed as landscape on the high end and hundreds of “for sale” signs drowning in a wave of dead or dying landscape in the lower end developments.

Comment by hip in zilker
2008-07-06 10:23:36

From Hurricane Valley and a hill called Molly’s Nipple and pioneering ancestors to the detritus of a failed Tuscan McCrapshack extravaganza-ville in just a couple generations.

What you saw sounds so sad. I hope that the spirit of Molly will send a big Hurricane and sweep away the detritus so that the land can heal itself and people who appreciate it can live there.

 
Comment by 1inchgroup
2008-07-06 14:46:19

SteadyKat, have they stopped developing that monstrosity called Elim Valley between Hurricane and St George? They must have changed the name recently to stir up some more interest…

Love those ugly assed tracts they’re putting in up there. Knew none of them would sell.

Almost as beautiful as the tract with mismatched street alignments and 20 stacked rock walls on 3 sides for a 1/4 acre lot. Gotta love LaVerkin.

/told you so Utah

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-07-06 16:09:42

Did I hear my name??? Say what??

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Comment by steadykat
2008-07-07 09:13:17

According to the press Elim Valley is still on. The plan is for over 5000 homes. Word is that the developer promised Walmart (being built across HWY 9) to continue with the plan to get the store.

IMHO: It isn’t happening. They built one phase (lots only) and nobody is buying. Just above them, 1/8 mile, is Dixie Springs (thousands more houses planned). In reality you got 50-60 homes with dead landscape and white pieces of paper taped to 25% of their front doors which ask the owner, usually some developer or builder name to please notify…usually some Bank or lender name.

Above that is Sand Hollow “Resort”. A huge amount of developed land with lots, a golf course and all infrastructer complete and about six model homes.

It is located across from Sand Hollow State Park (a man made lake). I was there this July 4th weekend the “lake” was very busy. However, I didn’t see one person at the development despite all the signs and banners enticing any at the lake to come and take a look.

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Comment by KenWPA
2008-07-06 20:17:23

Nice summary Steadykat. I have never been to Utah, but I hear it is beautiful.

 
Comment by AdamCO
2008-07-06 21:14:35

Much of the western slope of colorado is the same as southern utah. Very late to the housing booms — massive price runups weren’t until late 2004 and 2005.

people are comically clueless around here. my town hasn’t had a single sale this year and dozens of properties sit on the market for laughable prices. pos shacks for two hundred and thirty grand.

occasionally a new house shows up on the market, invariably “priced to move…” of course, “priced to sit” is more like it.

our local realtors would be scared to know what this stuff would actually sell for. there are several properties in the $250 range that i imagine would sit for a while even at half that price.

 
 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-07-06 10:06:10

I don’t like hearing about these tremendous job losses, even though I don’t live in NV. It’s not exciting to think about the country in a greater depression. The current number of people unemployed, or underemployed is staggering. We have a situation where mass amounts of people are unable to make a living wage, or any wage at all. Where in the hell are the new jobs going to come from?

Comment by Mormon_Tea
2008-07-06 10:26:45

The new jobs aren’t coming.
Unemployment is going to steadily increase.
Mortgage and credit card defaults are going to increase every month. Bankruptcy is the new growth industry.
However, don’t get into the “fighting the last war” mindset. This is a depression with very inflationary aspects. This is because the dollar was the world’s major currency over the last 75 years. Deflation and Depression don’t go together this time around. Simultaneous dollar debasement (monetary Inflation) and economic Depression (negative growth) will characterize at least the next four years.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-07-06 11:02:31

If real estate, stocks, and wages are going down precipitously or staying flat, how is this a “depression with very inflationary aspects”?

Only fungible (and historically volatile) commodities are inflationary right now, and with the exception of food, clearly demand for them is going down despite rising prices.

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Comment by Houston Observer
2008-07-06 11:33:59

Don’t feel so bad. The construction workers losing their jobs will just head back to Mexico, Guatemala, and Honduras where they came from.

 
Comment by salinasron
2008-07-06 15:08:24

“Where in the hell are the new jobs going to come from?”

Government spending for infra-structure projects. Will help those willing to get down and dirty but not the RE and mortgage crowd who will have to retrain, go on welfare or find something else to peddle.

 
 
Comment by Molly
2008-07-06 12:04:32

Hee! We just visited Las Vegas two weeks ago and it was dead. Late June and all of July and August aren’t usually hopping anyway, but it was eerily quiet. And we got a great rate at a hotel that we’ve NEVER been able to afford before this year.

For the first time since it opened, the fancyshmancy pet boutique was empty when we visited. I got doted on while choosing yummy gourmet dog treats (for the dog, you smarties!).

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-07-06 08:36:58

“We need buyers. That’s for sure.”

Expect this cry to reach deafening proportions…nationwide and across all industries.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-07-06 09:41:53

There are lots of buyers, tons of them. Just not at the prices you’re asking.

Comment by Hold Out In Texas
2008-07-06 12:04:51

True.

Can’t get me off the fence until prices drop a lot more from here.

My down payment is buying more all the time. Crazy.

 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2008-07-06 08:38:21

Lots of quotes in this thread supporting my position that cash is king.

More to come, I’m sure.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-07-06 08:42:47

Well, what’s the after-market value of a UHSs evening gown in Las Vegas. They probably can’t GIVE IT AWAY!

Oh, and gambling will save them:

‘Not all of tonight’s customers are victims of the economy. But the surge in gasoline and food prices isn’t making things easier for Maderal Hilburn. The 46-year-old father of three is here to pay down an $800 loan for video poker that already has entered collections.’

“I’ve got to be honest,” Hilburn says. “I was real irresponsible. And I know better. I’ve had 10 years of abstinence before.” Hilburn says he hasn’t played in seven months. “It’s just a vicious circle,” he says, “and it’s absolutely ridiculous.”

‘Today was payday for Hilburn, who came to Rapid Cash immediately after getting off work. (He won’t disclose where.) “I’m only talking to you because it may help somebody,” he says. Hilburn says he owes another $520 loan to a competing money store. “That’s what really screwed me up,” he says. “But I had to get really beat up by this to really get how bad this is.”

Comment by Left LA / Moved to Chicago
2008-07-06 08:55:25

Boo friggin hoo.

Comment by spike66
2008-07-06 09:52:30

“and gambling will save them”

I might take this attitude if the state governments weren’t so heavily involved in promoting gambling…lotteries and even worse, casinos everywhere.
The lottery scam started as a way to raise bucks for the schools…with the idea that folks are going to gamble anyways, so why not let the states rake in some cash for the greater good.
But NY State promotes gambling non-stop on TV ads…and the major buyers are the working poor. Everybody knows this is a tax on the financially illiterate…and the gov’t is just milking these folks like cows.

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Comment by BanteringBear
2008-07-06 10:37:36

Gambling can be very destructive for certain individuals who have very poor self control. Of course the casinos plan of providing free drinks as long as they still have cash, no matter if they’re falling down drunk, is a highly questionable practice. Casinos are scummy.

 
Comment by tresho
2008-07-06 12:06:25

Gambling can be very destructive for certain individuals who have very poor self control. Gambling & Real Estate have a lot in common.

 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-07-06 12:17:38

I know of a guy who’s moving his family (including the wife) to Utah because his wife is addicted to gambling.

 
Comment by Joshua Tree
2008-07-06 17:23:31

I’d be more inclined to move the family to Utah MINUS the wife……..

 
 
 
Comment by txchick57
2008-07-06 09:46:08

Probably more at Halloween ;(

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-07-06 08:58:28

How many BTUs might one generate from the incineration of designer clothes, handbags, and shoes? They may be worth more as fuel.

Comment by desertdweller
2008-07-06 09:56:50

“who would replenish her wardrobe every season in better times might now make due with the same outfits for one more year.”

WHO are these people who can and did do this?
Try living like the rest of decent humanity and spend your money wisely, as in buying a few classic items( t shirts haha) and now I am torn between being silly or really bashing those who spend so damn frivolously.

Comment by KenWPA
2008-07-06 20:32:05

I think Ann Scott used to have some good conservative fashion advise around here, but she got too opinionated about everything else.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-07-06 08:39:16

BTW, here’s a rare report from northeast Arizona:

‘Bids for Taylor’s wastewater treatment plant went from “terrifying to absolutely ridiculous,” Town Manager Eric Duthie told members of the Town Council.’

‘The council had expected the bid to be presented at the June 25 meeting, but councilors were told more negotiation was needed before that happened. In the previous council meeting, Town Engineer Stu Spaulding said 33 sets of plans were sent out to interested firms who paid $150 each for the set and it looked like they would get four or five bids.’

‘We got bids from 20 firms,” Spaulding said. “We never would have received that many if the housing market wasn’t where it’s at. Doing a bid like this is time-consuming for the bidders so they don’t bid unless it’s worth it for them. Times are not good for them right now.

Comment by Mo Money
2008-07-06 09:46:19

Good lord you idiots, if you’re already up to you eyeballs in poop it’s time to stop building new developments !

Comment by Eric Duthie
2008-11-20 21:04:23

Mo Money,

Thank you for the insult. However, if you had the slightest amount of knowledge, you would be aware that the treatment plant was necessary just for the traditional town, since small logoons were the only wastewater treatment systems in place until I became the Manager. Those lagoons were overcapacity for some time, even without any developments.
Should you ever feel inclined to spend a modicum of energy in self-education concerning the real problem, just google the issue.
Until then, it would be wise not to assume a situation, lest you continue to prove the adage defining the meaning of “assume”.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-07-06 08:49:22

“Nevertheless, we saw prices go up while supply was at a minimum, making prices increase even more. St. George became a haven for investors.’”

I have come up with a new moniker for St. George Utah’s real estate investing scene.

St. George Utah: Yesterday’s investor haven, tomorrow’s investor graveyard.

Comment by steadykat
2008-07-06 10:35:00

I checked on the median prices in Washington County. The Spectrum’s reported peak “average” price in 2006 is $339,135.00. It was actually $351,000.00.

Qtr Median Price YOY
2007-1 319,000 -2.5
2006-4 333,000 6.7
2006-3 351,000 24
2006-2 350,340 29.7
2006-1 327,322 36
2005-4 309,341 40.7
2005-3 283,313 36.8
2005-2 270,078 30.2
2005-1 240.685 21.2
2004-4 219,847 22.1
2004-3 207,419 19.1
2004-2 198,558 11.7
2004-1 180,089 9.9

$219,000.00 puts us back into 2004. Before the last quarter of 2003 (when the bubble finally hit here) a house in Washington County was merely a place that one lived in. No one called it an “investment”.

 
Comment by socaljettech
2008-07-06 15:13:21

Or maybe St. George Utah: “Invest in our land today and we’ll bury you on it tomorrow”?

 
 
Comment by Red Baron
2008-07-06 08:51:35

The denial of reality out of the Bush administration is so reminiscent of the Hoover administration it’s scary:

Paulson - July 2008:

US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has dismissed comparisons of today’s economic woes with the Great Depression as “hyperbole”. Speaking to the BBC on a visit to London yesterday, Mr Paulson insisted the US had “strong long-term economic fundamentals”.

Paulson - April 2007:

“We’ve clearly had a big correction in the housing market. Retail housing was growing for some time at a level that was not sustainable,” Paulson said in a speech to The Committee of 100, a business group in New York promoting better Chinese relations. “I don’t see (subprime mortgage market troubles) imposing a serious problem. I think it’s going to be largely contained,” he added.

If you don’t remember what 1929-1933 or 1973-1975 were like, you’re about to find out.

WAKE UP PAULSON! WAKE UP BERNANKE! The depression has already started, people. The false prosperity created through housing is disappearing. Americans have hit the wall–they can’t get any more money to spend because they can’t earn more, they can’t borrow more, and they can’t save any less because they are already saving nothing.

No amount of stimulus checks and $8,000 housing purchase credits are going to derail this train. Consumption is going to drop like a stone, and saving is going to be fashionable again. Get and keep a job, rent so you can be mobile for your job, save at least 25% of your after-tax income, and eliminate debt unless you can pay it off if you lost your job. Those are the four key ways to survive the depression that has already started despite the happy talk from Washington.

Keep the popcorn popping,

Red Baron

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-07-06 08:45:51

I’ve posted this before, but I’ll never forget my dad, who was a kid during the Big D, shaking his head and wondering where the money was coming from as we’d drive around town seeing all the shiny new SUVs and contractors running around like ants. He always told me it gave him a very unsettled feeling, like stories he’d heard about pre-GD mania. It really bothered him, he was very scientific and pragmatic and he couldn’t explain it.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-07-06 08:50:41

Where was your dad situated during the GD? (My wife’s grandfather was in Vernal, UT.)

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-07-06 08:57:09

Prof, no way! My dad’s family was across the state line in Craig. We had family in Vernal. My grandfather was one of Colorado’s first game wardens and knew a lot of people in Vernal, as did my dad. Davidson and Miller are the family names.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-07-06 08:52:24

“…it gave him a very unsettled feeling…”

My conversations with my mom reveal the exact same sentiment. She too struggles to square what she now sees with what she once saw.

Comment by scdave
2008-07-06 09:08:30

My mother also feels the same…

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Comment by Ouro Verde
2008-07-06 09:32:47

My darling mother is oblivious.

 
 
Comment by simiwatch
2008-07-06 09:50:27

My mother live on a farm: She always told me of starving people stopping by her parents farm wanting to trade work for food.

She live on a farm in New Mexico and I am sure this made an impression on her at an early age.

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Comment by auger-inn
2008-07-06 10:37:17

Well, the good news is that there is no threat of anyone stopping by looking for actual farm work. Unless you can figure out some job that can be done from a rolling office chair?
The bad news is that stealing and breaking one’s word doesn’t seem to hold the negative social connotation that they once held.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2008-07-06 10:48:00

Some of you may remember how Bob Dole used to talk about how he and his family lived in the basement so that they could rent the house out during the GD?

That didn’t leave room for his grandfather, who lived at my grandfather’s farm - as a lodger / helping hand / respected older guy who needed a place to live in hard times. It was a farm - space, the need for some help, and they could come up with an extra pork chop and egg noodles and sauerkraut.

 
 
Comment by hip in zilker
2008-07-06 10:36:00

My mom uses words like “unreal” or “out of this world.” She just doesn’t get the frenzy of consumption and waste.

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Comment by Jerry D
2008-07-06 12:37:19

When the Wall St. boys are tossed out on the street, sitting behind their desks on the sidewalks,they will be awaken from their greed, money turning habits and force to find work. Don’t think hard labor is in the cards but would love to see it!

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2008-07-06 08:55:35

This reminds me of something I noticed on the Texas coast several years back. At the resort hotels on the beach, I noticed there were only new or nearly new cars in the parking lots. Every day.

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-07-06 08:58:20

Jeez, someday we’ll be telling these stories to our grandkids, just like our grandparents did. Scary.

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Comment by Left LA / Moved to Chicago
2008-07-06 09:05:15

I hope to tell them “but I worked hard, saved, and never gave in to the mania. When everyone was desperate and selling, I was buying for 10 cents on the dollar. That is how I became the wealthy man I am today. Cash truly is king.”

That last bit was for Combotechie.

 
Comment by combotechie
2008-07-06 09:15:45

I thank you.

 
Comment by walt526
2008-07-06 10:48:21

“someday we’ll be telling these stories to our grandkids”

True HBBers don’t breed.

/tongue-firmly-in-cheek

 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-07-06 10:56:23

OK, to our friends’ grandkids. :)

 
Comment by reuven avram
2008-07-06 18:39:10

The story you’ll tell is how you didn’t succumb to the mania, saved up a lot of money, and had no debt.

And then how Barack Hussein Obama got elected, and confiscated all your money so irresponsible people can stay in their houses.

 
Comment by AdamCO
2008-07-06 21:19:27

or we could tell them how we remember the “early days” of the 70 year war, when mccain was elected. “people thought our economy could continue, despite losing billions of dollars per day…ah, well, here is your bowl of onion cabbage soup.”

 
 
Comment by salinasron
2008-07-06 15:19:39

“I noticed there were only new or nearly new cars in the parking lots. Every day.”

Over the last 8 years here in CA the same could be said if you drove by the parking lot of any high school. Hummer’s, BMW’s, Benz’s, Lexus’s were all there in the lot.

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Comment by Joe Schmoe
2008-07-06 20:59:16

My grandparents/great-grandparents weren’t affected by the Depression at all. The paternal grandparents were dairy farmers in Wisconsin and Minnesota. They were always poor, and as a result the Depression really didn’t change things for them. Money got a little tighter, that was it. Expressed in statistical terms, IMO their standard of living only decreased by about 10%.

My maternal great-grandparents were rich people from the east coast. He was a Wall Street lawyer. His business didn’t suffer at all during the Depression — he did even better. He did take his daughters out of private school, but not because he had to — because he didn’t want to rub the neighbors’ noses in it. That always struck me as a very classy, old-school thing to do. By the early 1940’s he and my great-grandmother lived in a suite at the Pierre hotel and had several country houses.

He wasn’t a bottom feeder, and he didn’t make contrarian investments or anything like that. His isn’t a miracle “triumph over adversity” story. He was just a really good lawyer. Business WAS conducted during the Depression, and there was still money to be made — a lot of money, in his case.

The Depression meant that the economy slowed down — it did not stop. Not everyone wound up in the bread lines. A lot of people kept their jobs, and lots of businesses, small and large, did not go under. My paternal grandparents did not lose their farm. They were poor, and stayed poor, but the 1930’s weren’t a catastrophe for them. My maternal great-grandfather actually got rich during the Depression, and he had a normal law practice. IMO it really is possible to prosper during a downturn.

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Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-07-06 08:52:50

If I may Red Baron, I’d like to add another possibility to your list: some kind of RV to live in if you need to be mobile or you can no longer afford rental prices (lose your job and don’t want to spend a big chunk each month on rent).

I’m reading a lot about people who RV it full time, there’s a large number:

“Latest estimates are that over a million North Americans are full-timers, living permanently in their RVs with no permanent address. Many are retired, but many others work part of the year, just long enough for a ’stash’ to keep them going for a few months or a year or so.” (bidstrup dot com/fulltime dot htm)

Many take their pets with them, I’ve read about dogs/cats/birds/potbellied pigs/fish and even a miniature horse. It would be a good way to live on a shoestring if one had to, and the price of gas isn’t that important if you stay put. Provided you already had the RV, it could even just be a used and cheap pull trailer behind your vehicle or a pickup w/ camper.

Comment by scdave
2008-07-06 09:14:45

We are R/V er’s…Have been for more than 30 years…All the kids memories are from R/V ing….We have two….One for the wife and the two dogs (chic has seen them) and one other for “the boys” trips…No way the Mrs. will allow “the boys” to take her R/V…

 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-07-06 09:50:44

I am totally in love with the idea of living on the road, but only when I am ready to retire. I’d even do it sooner once they found a way to get higher mileage out of them. I don’t see the appeal of living in one if I couldn’t afford to drive around wherever and whenever I wanted to.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-07-06 09:59:21

It sounds like something I’d enjoy, only it would cost me too much in fuel because I’d have the itch to see another state and explore new areas. If I had the time and money, I’d take off tomorrow and explore this great country of ours.

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-07-06 10:29:44

I’m seriously considering it. I have a fairly new camper and 4×4 pickup that would do just fine. I like the thought of having a new front yard every few days. I’d boondock, never stay in RV parks, so it’s basically free, except for gas. I’ve camped a lot, so I know what it’s like to be footloose and fancy free and not have anything but canned beans and corn to eat, needing a shower, and hating to have to go to town but you’re out of water.

I’m thinking of getting rid of all my stuff in storage and going fulltime next spring. I could easily spend the rest of my life exploring SE Utah and W Colorado, so no need for lots of gas money.

I’d spend my time writing and taking photos and maybe even get into video production…How to Diet Naturally and with No Willpower (subtitle: Stuck in A Slot Canyon)…that sort of thing…

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Comment by BanteringBear
2008-07-06 10:47:04

Sounds like a lot of fun. I’m feeling the urge to do something like that. I almost bought a travel trailer last year, but decided against it. The pup and I don’t need a ton of indoor space, so something small would do just fine. I wish those Airstream Bambi trailers weren’t so damn expensive. I don’t think I’d have much of a problem finding piece work on the road, as I have a vast skill set. Now you’ve got me thinking Shoots, I mean Losty. :)

 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-07-06 11:01:45

Bear, that’s what I was going to do originally when I sold my house in Moab. I bought a Toyota Tundra and Lance camper. But I inherited some cats and I’ve grown to love them. I read a bunch on how it’s pretty easy to RV with cats, so am back to thinking that way. Plus I have dogs. But all together I think they’re still less mass than your one Akita!

Hey, we could have an HBB Gypsy Caravaners Club (HBBGCC), complete with webpage and scheduled meeting-up spots, kind of like the Rainbow and Burning Man folks do…we’d all get together around the campfire and tell housing stories and talk about the economy.

With some plum good wine, of course.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-07-06 11:29:07

I just checked out Lance campers. Pretty cool. Now, I see you say cats as in more than one. And, I remember you mentioned three dogs. Five or six dogs and cats in that camper!!? Holy smokes, you’re a patient woman! Just one beast is enough for me. Perhaps you could name your camper the “Traveling Pet Farm”. Do you have horses in tow as well? ;)

 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-07-06 11:37:59

Hey, at least there aren’t any elephants under the rug! :)

No, I’m actually looking at augmenting what I have with a small pull trailer, couldn’t live in that with all the critters. Some friends have a Casita, they love it, you can pull it with a car. I’d get something like that and it would be my cathouse - ha.

And Lance makes a really nice camper, I got mine from some FBs, it’s nearly new and cost a bit under 7k, an 8 footer self-contained. It’s luxury compared to tenting it.

I currently have 5 cats, but 2 are spoken for by good friends, the other three I’m really attached to. And 5 dogs, but 2 are very old, all working dog Blue Heeler mixes, one shepherd mix, all rescues (I’m a soft touch for working dogs).

But you should get online and read about some of the cool rigs and all that people have and one gal actually has 2 horses and a bunch of dogs and she’s a fulltimer, also one with 12 small dogs. I thought I was nuts…

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-07-06 11:50:04

I’ve always tent camped, so an RV would be a huge luxury for me (and my back). Thanks lost, now you’ve got me all excited with nowhere to go! I’d have to come up with a plan, or should I just wing it? Maybe I could just move all of my furniture etc. into my shop, rent out the house, buy a trailer and take off! It doesn’t sound half bad. I’ve been quite a rolling stone in life, perhaps it’s my destiny…

 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-07-06 12:28:12
 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-07-06 12:40:44

Hey, HBBers, me and Bear are meeting up with NoSingleOne in AK on May 1, 2009.

Ben’s joining us, it will be the culmination of his epic “Couching It” journey and we’re all going to drink plum wine and celebrate under the Northern Lights

May 1 - that should give you lots of time to prepare and get yourself there.

Be there or be square.

 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-07-06 13:03:00

Lol…how many couches am I gonna need?

 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-07-06 13:09:29

You could make it a BYOC thing.

Or maybe make some money selling squatter’s cots. :)

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-07-06 13:37:44

K lost, let me mark my calendar - May 1, 2009. Sounds good! No worries single, I’ll provide my own couch.

 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-07-06 14:00:42

Hey Bear, swing down my way and we’ll convoy.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-07-06 14:43:49

I’m up for that, lost. BTW, I haven’t heard that term (convoy) since I was a young kid growing up in the 70’s. Remember this? LMAO!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWO_AIh8drk

 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-07-06 15:11:53

ROTFL!!! We’re gonna go huntin’ bear…Them bears was a gettin’ smart. 10-4-good buddy.

That guy lives in Ouray, Colorado, one of my favorite towns. He was the mayor for awhile, still has a show there that the tourists eat up, my dad got a kick out of him, went to his show a couple of times. He’s quite the local celeb, all these years later.

 
Comment by holytrainwreck
2008-07-06 16:41:47

better back off another Ten…

I’ll be in the Chartreuse Micro Bus!

 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-07-06 17:41:58

Hippy! :)

 
 
Comment by scdave
2008-07-06 10:53:47

it would cost me too much in fuel ??

It does cost alot particularly now but is still more than offset by other benifits….The freedom is the most valuable benefit I believe…Not much planning needed…Just gas-er up and go…Stop and go when you want & where you want….:)

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Comment by Red Baron
2008-07-06 10:24:53

I will incorporate your suggestion into the second of my tips, Lost. How is the booming Utah economy these days?

Keep the popcorn popping,

Red Baron

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-07-06 10:32:15

Ha - booming Utah economy…it’s stuck in an oxymoronic state right now, Red. :)

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Comment by hip in zilker
2008-07-06 11:17:26

I knew an accountant at UT whose husband was an accountant for the state. They sold their home and RV-ed all over; still are doing it as far as I know.

They stayed mainly in national parks I think, and worked as bookkeepers. IIRC, they pretty much always could get the work, because most people looking to work at parks weren’t accountants. The books were easy to do, and they didn’t have to deal with the public.

Another retired couple, good friends, travelled in their RV with their Corgi for 3 years or so after retirement. The wife wanted a nest, so they got a house in Rockport, but still spend more than half their time in the RV, a fifth wheel. They used to work in parks, but said they decided it wasn’t worth it. They have some kind of mobile satelite tv / internet service.

It sounds like you’re thinking to avoid parks, but it sounds like RVers have kind of a nice community when they stay in parks. My friends stay in touch with folks they met at parks, meet up.

Comment by Robbie
2008-07-06 15:15:34

My husband and I and the pooch traveled around N. America for 2 years (02-04) in a 38′ RV. We averaged $8/night for camping by boondocking, staying with friends, state parks and walmart. It was so much fun. But not as cheap as you might think. We were paying $2/gallon when we stopped traveling. Those suckers have 100 gallon tanks and get 9 mpg. Our expenses included RV insurance, Car insurance for the Jeep we towed, campground fees, state park entrance fees, food, fuel, entrance fees to places, yearly National Park Pass, health insurance (very hard to find!), etc. We averaged $50,000 each year for the 2 years. That included how much the used RV depreciated when we sold it. Purchased an ‘00 motorhome in 2002 for $107,000 (we had sold our house and had equity) and sold it in 2005 (took 9 months to sell) for $93,000. They are impossible to sell right now so if you are considering buying one, negotiate your buns off! The dealers are screaming to get rid of them; just think how hard-up the rest of the sellers are. Oh, and don’t forget about getting a good maintenance plan for the rig. That will cost you about $2,000 but will pay off big time when the inevitable humongous item breaks!

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Comment by desertdweller
2008-07-06 10:01:35

Speaking of that Idiot, Bush, he was just quoted as saying he
doesn’t want to diss the chinese government/people by not showing up at the opening of the chinese olympics.

Good lawd, can’t someone do something with that idiot?

Some town is missing their idiot right now.

So he would rather turn the US into a pile of smoldering mess, but he wants to “Honor” the Chinese government?

Why doesn’t he just come out and say he just wants to go and see the event, and refrain from speaking crap. Oh, I forgot.

Comment by Happy Renter in Vancouver
2008-07-06 11:09:54

You gotta be nice to your biggest creditor…

 
Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-07-06 11:40:03

Hey Des, you don’t need to be redundant, just say that idiot and we’ll all know who you’re talking about. :)

 
Comment by Steve W
2008-07-06 13:38:56

After remembering what Carter did in 1980…I have to admit that this is the 2nd thing I’ve agreed with Bush on this year (along with no bailout).

It’s the Olympics, it should be (and yes, I know it isn’t all the time), it should be just a whole lot of fun for young kids who’ve busted their asses their whole lives for that moment. It should be one of the few times countries can put down the guns for a second and root for the kids.

I’ll take my naive hat off now.

Comment by ahansen
2008-07-06 23:40:54

SteveW.

As an equestrian competitor who got screwed by Jimma’s Moscow boycott, I thank you for keeping the Olympic Spirit in your heart. This is so not about politics. Curse those who deem it so.

And I agree. This and the no-bailout are GW’s only redeeming graces AFAIC.

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Comment by jbunniii
2008-07-06 08:53:51

At about the same time, Wilber’s wife switched jobs and their annual income dropped.

“But it’s not our fault!”

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-07-06 09:02:35

‘Wilber recently tried to buy another home and was told the short sale would affect his credit for another year. ‘That’s just cruel and unusual punishment, if you ask me,’ Ingvaldsen said.’

And after making such bad life decisions that cost the bank $32,000, he’s miffed they won’t do it again right away.

Comment by We Rent!
2008-07-06 09:30:05

Yeah, you borrowed money - didn’t pay it back - and now you complain because they won’t lend you money again soon?

Moron.

 
Comment by simiwatch
2008-07-06 09:45:51

What many of you may not realize is that a lot of these people are from the Reset Generation.

Computer does not work. Hit the rest button and start over.
Playstation/360/ play the game if you start to loose just hit the Reset Button.
Play GrandTheft Auto crash the get way car: POOF you are back on the street.

In the old days there was no reset button. If your car/bike/model broke you had to invest thought and time to fix the problem. Not today: Just look for the RESET Button.

All these people are looking for the RESET Button on their homeownership game!

Comment by simiwatch
2008-07-06 09:47:55

Was:loose
IS: lose

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Comment by We Rent!
2008-07-06 09:48:10

Interesting idea.

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Comment by desertdweller
2008-07-06 10:05:48

Reset button for this would be
-take better care of your clothing
- wear clothing for more than a few years.

Those who are from big families, know that you passed
the clothing down the line until the garment became
the dust rag. And only till then was the said garment taken
out of circulation.

“who would replenish her wardrobe every season in better times might now make due with the same outfits for one more year.”

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-07-06 10:11:48

That only works if you don’t gain a lot of weight or get splashed with motor oil, DD. :)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by skitzo
2008-07-06 08:56:10

Why do all these knuckleheads think the lender should “work with them” on the loan terms.

YOU SIGNED THE LOAN DOCUMENTS. They stated what you were being given and the terms of repayment.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-07-06 09:06:28

Does the phrase “free do-overs” appear in any part of the Constitution? It sounds like some think it does.

Comment by desertdweller
2008-07-06 10:07:20

Can I take my Mulligan here and now?

 
 
Comment by SCCalendarGirl
2008-07-06 09:24:15

Because it makes sense for the bank to be able to keep some cash coming in on the debt. They’ve taken back way more houses than they ever wanted already.

 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-07-06 10:07:54

Some wisdom I’ve picked up from this blog:

Never sign a contract that you don’t understand fully. Agonize over signing up for anything that you can’t walk away from at your convenience…from a cell phone contract to a gym membership. Read, reread, and question contracts. Shop around for better terms. Look into the alternatives, and make plans for contingencies.

If it is the biggest purchase of your life, make the process painful for everyone involved. NEVER trust a realtor or mortgage broker exclusively to explain the terms. Find a lawyer, a financial adviser, and take a few trusted friends out to dinner and read the contract with a highlighter, a pen, a magnifying glass and a serious grasp of your finances and obligations before you sign anything.

 
 
Comment by txchick57
2008-07-06 09:47:34

and why is it “cruel and unusual punishment” that some deadbeat who caused a 32K loss to a bank should not be able to run right out and do it again?

 
Comment by SD to LV back to SD
2008-07-06 10:14:02

‘They bluntly tell us, I never had to pawn anything in my life and here I am,’ he said.”

After the FB’s have pawned and sold everything they have you can replace the words “pawn anything” with the words “sell my blood” or “prostitute myself” You watch it will happen if it hasn’t already. Oh how I love Las Vegas!

Comment by Lost In Utah
2008-07-06 11:04:50

“I never had to pawn anything in my life”

Yeah, but ask them if they’ve ever gambled…in houses.

 
Comment by Former FB
2008-07-06 14:30:34

Just got back from a CO/UT/NV/CA vacation that I’ll create a “most F’d” awards list for in the next couple of days. Your post reminded me of the most disturbing thing seen on the trip, billboards next to I15S leaving LV, showing an attractive young woman and no explanation other than the words “Out of money? Turn back and make $500 tonight!”.

 
 
Comment by Seatme
2008-07-06 11:03:19

““Wilber recently tried to buy another home and was told the short sale would affect his credit for another year.”

Wow - you can default on a loan and just wait a year before you can take another one out???

The US economy really is screwed, awash in junk loans.

Comment by BanteringBear
2008-07-06 12:06:27

This struck me as well. What are the repercussions of short sales and foreclosures in terms of obtaining another home loan.

 
 
Comment by reuven avram
2008-07-06 13:44:17

“The couple soon got behind on their payments, and when the interest rate went up again, it brought their payment to $2,700 a month. Wilber went so far as to take a loan against his retirement account to keep up.”

“‘It put a lot of strain on my family, on my marriage,’ he said. ‘So about the same time, my marriage started to fall apart, too, and then there was no way I could continue making payments just on one paycheck.’”

1. Another idiot who drained an account that’s protected from BK to simply delay the inevitable. (And you and I, Taxpayers and Savers, will be paying for this one way or another)

2. When he couldn’t buy the b*tch he was married all the crap she wanted because they had no more money to borrow, she left him! Amazing. He’s much better off without her.

 
Comment by calex
2008-07-06 14:21:06

And the winner for the dumbest MF in the world goes to….the envelope please.

Randy Wilber

“Wilber recently tried to buy another home and was told the short sale would affect his credit for another year. ‘That’s just cruel and unusual punishment, if you ask me,’ Ingvaldsen said.”

To dumb to have a 600.00 saftey net if anything went wrong.
Dumb enough to think that the bank would continue to loan him money at below prime rates
So dumb that he borrowed against a judgement proof 401k
Retarded enough to try to buy another house within a year(He must think that renting is beneath him and his status in life.
And the ultimate kicker for this DUMBazz is to think that he should be allowed to take on more debt after defaulting on loan a year earlier.

Now Ingvaldsen, if this shows up on a google search for you name..
The only reason that “cruel and unusual punishment” comment didn’t win the the moron of the world award is because Wilber just went over the top and can’t seem to quit.

 
Comment by holytrainwreck
2008-07-06 17:10:19

Dukes of Hazzard ===== Ben “Cooter” Jones

 
Comment by Ken Best
2008-07-06 20:00:23

From Las Vegas Sun:
Business down at Nevada brothels

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jun/27/business-down-at-nevada-brothels/

 
Comment by AnonyRuss
2008-07-06 22:38:58

From the Arizona Republic article. Wow, she really thinks that she can keep this up for ten or twenty years. She can not afford air-conditioning on a triple-digit day, but thinks staying in the house is the path towards stability. Wow.

“Henry persuaded Vasquez’s lender, HSBC Mortgage Services, to forgive the past-due payments and add them back into the loan’s principle. The lender did not reduce her interest rate or the amount of her monthly bill.
Vasquez still had to make one payment of $1,400 in June, but she is no longer in default.
‘It took every penny I had,’ she said, sitting in her 115-degree living room Monday. Air-conditioning is a luxury she can no longer afford.
Still, Vasquez said she is committed to keeping the home at any cost.
‘I don’t want to worry about where I’m going to live in 10 or 20 years,’ she said. ‘It’s stability - I’ll always have someplace to go.’”

 
Comment by Mr_Dave_O
2008-07-07 08:13:49

“Customers who used to purchase a purse in every color are now buying one in a neutral shade. The woman who would replenish her wardrobe every season in better times might now make due with the same outfits for one more year.”

Jeez, this is cause for concern? Doesn’t anyone remember their grandparents talking about having to make a loaf of bread last for a couple weeks for their whole family or having to have their one or two outfits last for years during the depression?

I really wish we would have another depression to keep people from focusing on such pointless material stuff and instead focus on being more practical and making their money go farther.

 
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