July 10, 2008

Turnabout Is Fair Play

The Casper Star Tribune reports from Wyoming. “Federal data show that southwest Wyoming is bearing the brunt of the state’s population growth. ‘It’s not really surprising at all,’ Sublette County Planning Director Bart Myers said of the latest census figures, which are tied heavily to the development of the nearby Pinedale Anticline and Jonah fields, two of the nation’s largest natural gas fields.”

“‘The (natural gas) companies are telling us about 80 percent of the people that were going to be here for the gas exploration boom are already here,’ Myers said.”

“Myers said the county also tries to track real estate trends, and those trends are showing the beginnings of a slowdown in population growth. ‘I think we’re seeing for the first half of 2008 a leveling off, actually … We’re down about 100 building permits from where we were at this point last year,’ he said.”

“‘In June, there were about 300 residential lots on the market countywide … and I think just five or so sold and closed,’ Myers said.”

“‘And it’s the same thing with residential units already built,’ he said. ‘The inventory is increasing and demand seems to be dropping … so maybe we have seen the worst of the county’s population explosion. I think the lag time from when this first hit has shrunk or maybe even disappeared.’”

The Big Sky Business Journal from Montana. “Residential real estate closings in Billings are off by 16 percent for the first half of the year - pending sales are off by 24 percent - evidence that Billings is feeling the effect of the continued tightening of credit standards to get a home mortgage, according to real estate agent Howard Sumner.”

“‘There has been a substantial drop in the number and type of loans available,’ said Sumner. 50 percent to 70 percent of the decline of sales locally is due to the changed lending environment, said Sumner. The balance is due to ‘all the negative information about the home market.’”

“All that’s happening in the housing market might be a good thing, said Sumner - ‘It is wringing out any speculation that was going on.’”

From KTRV 12 in Idaho. “A sluggish economy doesn’t mean no one’s snapping up real estate. ‘Sales are good, believe it or not, but we’ve got almost 8,000 houses for sale in the area,’ said David Warrick, with Coldwell Banker Aspen Realty.”

“In the Treasure Valley, 700 to 800 homes are being sold a month, but many more are also coming right back on the market.”

“Meanwhile, some larger homes are going at a deep discount. ‘So taking a small hit on your smaller home, you’re going to make a large savings on a large home right now,’ said Warrick.”

“In typically more expensive neighborhoods, like north Meridian, Kuna, Star and even south Boise, for sale signs abound. Residents in those areas are left shaking their heads as prices continue to fall.”

“‘So that kind of bummed me out. Oh my gosh what I’d paid for my house has already gone down,’ said Karen Burden, a Star resident.”

“They’re also concerned about their future property values. ‘It’s frustrating because I know they’re going to get frustrated and they’re going to end up renting them out and, there’s nothing wrong with renters, but I hate to see it,’ said Burden.”

The Idaho Statesman. “The vacancy rate for single-family residential rental housing in the Treasure Valley spiked in the second quarter from the same quarter a year ago, according to an industry survey.”

“Industry members speculated that the vacancies result from struggling housing sales that have caused frustrated property owners to take homes off the market and rent them out.”

“According to Intermountain MLS statistics, 4,547 homes had listings that expired, were withdrawn or canceled during the second quarter. Some of the homes withdrawn from the MLS made their way into the rental market, said Mike Rampelberg of Greater Boise Property Management.”

“‘For some (homeowners), a rent of $800 is better than nothing when you have a $1,200 mortgage,’ Rampelberg said.”

The Olympian from Washington. “Thurston County home prices slid more than 9 percent from June 2007 to June 2008, the Northwest Multiple Listing Service reported, the steepest year-over-year drop this year and the largest decline South Sound real-estate experts could remember.”

“‘The is the first time I’ve actually seen (prices) drop, especially to this degree,’ said broker Doug Burger, who has spent nearly 30 years in real estate. ‘To take this kind of turn is surprising for everybody.’”

“After a period in which home sellers were unwilling to lower prices, they are starting to change their minds, Burger said. ‘They do that very reluctantly, but reality is hitting them,’ he said.”

“These days, the South Sound home buyer is in control, said broker Jeff Crandell. Buyers are more discriminating, they are not afraid to ask for discounts or incentives, and they are not buying the first house they see, he said.”

“‘Turnabout is fair play,’ Crandell said. ‘Sellers had it their way for years, and now we’re seeing the results. The pendulum is swinging in the other direction.’”

The SnoValley Star from Washington. “In a series of interviews with local realtors, anecdotal evidence seems to indicate the high cost of the commute is starting to take a toll on real estate prices. Economists say people who once followed the strategy known as ‘drive until you qualify’ - are now being forced to rethink the cost of that decision.”

“Joe Cortright, an economist (in) Portland, authored a study that has sparked a number of recent media accounts. Cortright’s study argues that low, stable gasoline prices in the 1990s fueled the housing bubble.”

“‘We’ve seen a lot of folks who, by stretching their means to get into houses, took on the longer commutes,’ Cortright said, ‘and now they’re the ones who are taking the biggest hits.’”

“Cortright said such homeowners are now finding themselves victims of ‘a double whammy’ - forced to pay the price of a long drive to and from work and with a home that has fallen in market value, largely because buyers with similar portfolios are no longer willing to buy into the longer drive.”

“‘Their houses now look a lot less attractive,’ Cortright said.”

“‘There’s been a trend of ‘back to the city’ for some time now,’ said Glenn E. Crellin, director of the Washington Center for Real Estate Research at Washington State University, ‘as evidenced by the high-end condo activity in the bigger cities.’”

The Seattle PI from Washington. “Plans have been delayed to build a twin-tower, 43-story building on Fifth Avenue in Seattle as the developer waits out a lull in condo sales.”

“It’s been pushed back, and Alec Carlin, project manager for developer Hummingbird Advisors, couldn’t say until when. Financing for condos is tough to get now, because the market for condos is soft.”

“‘But we think the market will come back, and we’ll be poised for it in 2011-2012,’ he said.”

“Columbia Banking System Inc. became the latest Northwest company to be tripped up by growing problems in the region’s real estate market when it announced sizable increases in delinquent loans and the money it’s setting aside to cover potential losses.”

“‘Columbia is not immune to the instability in the residential real estate markets and mortgage-related industries, which already has affected other financial institutions in the markets we serve,’ Columbia CEO Melanie Dressel said in a statement. ‘Given the nature of these types of projects, it is unlikely they will be resolved in the immediate future. It is reasonable, therefore, to expect our provision for loan losses in the next few quarters to remain at elevated levels compared with prior periods.’”

“Columbia said the biggest areas of concern are homes that developers have built but haven’t been able to sell, mainly in Pierce County and Clackamas County, Ore., and in commercial real estate construction, primarily condominiums.”

The Seattle Times from Washington. “Washington state foreclosure filings were up 69 percent last month compared with the previous June and up almost 10 percent from May. The year-over-year jump statewide was worse than the national increase of 50 percent.”

“There were 2,742 new filings statewide last month, a 155 percent increase over new filings in June 2005. Of the three Central Puget Sound counties, foreclosures again hit Pierce County hardest. The state’s foreclosure hot spots last month were Cowlitz and Clark counties north of Portland, and Adams, Franklin, Pierce and Snohomish counties.”

“In May, there were 47 percent more properties on the market than in May 2007, MLS numbers show. 29 percent more houses and condos were for sale last month than in the previous June.”

“Counseling sellers, associate broker Vija Williams, tells them that ultimately the market sets the price for any house, and ‘when you’re getting multiple offers below listing, you have to listen.’”

“One Ballard seller is dealing with that issue now. ‘I definitely expect to get an offer below list,’ the seller says. He says he got one offer ‘that was laughable.’”

“‘I understand the buyers’ side of things,’ he said. ‘It’s scary to think you could buy, and the house will lose another 10 percent.’”

“But he thinks many buyers don’t realize ‘the reduced value is already priced into the list price,’ and sellers aren’t asking top dollar from the start.”

“It wasn’t just prices that convinced first-timer Ian Hoyt, a 20-year-old landscaper, that June was the right time to buy a three-bedroom North Seattle town house. It was the comparison with renting.”

“‘Rents are so high, so I did the math,’ Hoyt said. ‘Paying a mortgage is in the same ballpark.’”

“Hoyt says he’s unconcerned about future price declines. He saved intensively for his first home and got help from his parents. That and an FHA loan allowed him to buy his 3-year-old town home for slightly more than $300,000.”

“He intends to live in his town home for many years, happy he’s not paying rent to live in a place he doesn’t own. ‘The money will come back to me [in appreciation],’ Hoyt said.”

The Statesman Journal from Oregon. “A northeast Salem apartment complex once known as a hotbed of prostitution and drugs was renovated, becoming a condominium complex. But the site has fallen victim to the housing slump.”

“The units at 2401 Wayside Terrace NE were extensively revamped and marketed as condominiums but didn’t sell during the past few months. So they are reverting to apartments.”

“Candidates for the condos could not get approved for loans, making rentals the best options for the owners to recover the money they invested in a $2.3 million acquisition and remodeling loan, said Geoff Edmonds, the managing owner of Wayside Terrace Condos.”

“If someone did step forward, proposing a lease option to buy, it would be considered, however, he said.”

“‘Right now, to get any type of financing you essentially have to put a minimum of 3 percent down, but if you don’t have sufficiently high credit scores, you’re looking to put 10 (percent) to 12 percent down,’ said Mark Sullivan, a loan officer for HomeStreet Bank in Salem.”

“The gated, Spanish-style condos hardly resemble the apartments that were home to a gang shooting in 1998; declared a public nuisance in 2003; and for years were plagued by arrests for sexual abuse, drug-related offenses and prostitution.”

“The 38 two-bedroom apartments will rent for $645 per month, and the one one-bedroom will rent for about $550 per month. They could remain apartments until the housing market recovers - possibly in a year to 18 months.”

“To keep out undesirable tenants, all tenants will undergo a criminal-background check. Plus, site manager Crown Property Management of Salem hired on-site managers, who are moving in July 14, said Crown Property president Kent Mack.”

“‘I think it’ll be OK for the neighborhood that this (is) going to be apartments for the time being,’ Mack said.”

The Daily Journal of Commerce from Oregon. “Portland’s housing market may have slipped substantially this year, but luxury home builders that will be showcased in the Home Builders Association’s Street of Dreams tour next month say they’re managing to avoid the fallout.”

“The housing market has ‘tanked,’ said Dennis Derby, owner of Double D Development, and luxury home developers aren’t immune to the drop.”

“The latest addition to the tour and the largest home by far, is ‘Cherith Brook,’ a four-bedroom, six-bathroom, 11,000-square-foot home with views of Mt. Hood, Mt. Adams, and Mt. St. Helens. Built in a traditional style, the home features a library, wine cellar and an indoor pool and sauna, as well as numerous secret passageways between rooms.”

“Construction in Altamont could be complete in four to five years, though Derby says the current market is causing him to ‘dial back’ development. Half the lots are now sold and the developer expects to sell all of them within two years. Once this neighborhood is complete, Double D will move on to its last undeveloped area in Altamont, which contains 36 lots for luxury homes.”

“‘There’s only so much land, for starters,’ said Derby, ‘and only so much river and view.’”




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Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-07-10 11:37:26

“But he thinks many buyers don’t realize ‘the reduced value is already priced into the list price,’ and sellers aren’t asking top dollar from the start.”

That’s what he thinks now. The market will force him to do some re-thinking.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-07-10 11:40:18

“It wasn’t just prices that convinced first-timer Ian Hoyt, a 20-year-old landscaper, that June was the right time to buy a three-bedroom North Seattle town house. It was the comparison with renting.”

“‘Rents are so high, so I did the math,’ Hoyt said. ‘Paying a mortgage is in the same ballpark.’”

What kind of fuzzy math are we talking about?

“Hoyt says he’s unconcerned about future price declines. He saved intensively for his first home and got help from his parents. That and an FHA loan allowed him to buy his 3-year-old town home for slightly more than $300,000. He intends to live in his town home for many years, happy he’s not paying rent to live in a place he doesn’t own. ‘The money will come back to me [in appreciation],’ Hoyt said.”

He’s a mathematician and a clairvoyant.

Things are just getting started around here…

Comment by Timmy Boy
2008-07-10 11:46:13

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We’ll see how he feels when his next door neighbor’s townhome is foreclosed & on the market for $179,000.

Comment by Tim
2008-07-10 12:52:15

“Hoyt says he’s unconcerned about future price declines. . . . The money will come back to me [in appreciation],’ Hoyt said.”

Hmmm. Ok so we established he is no genius. Then he states
“He intends to live in his town home for many years, happy he’s not paying rent to live in a place he doesn’t own.” 20 year old’s dont have these thoughts independently, nor should they. My guess is his mom or one of her friends is a Realtor and they brainwashed him, as it sounds like mindless Realtorspeak. Nothing a 50k or more loss in the next 12 months wont make him snap out of.

Comment by oxide
2008-07-10 13:44:49

Ding ding ding, I think we have a winner. And I suspect that the realtor is Mom. WHAT mother would give her son money to buy a $300K townhouse, but no money to go to college? None but a realtor. Even the most disadvantaged of inner-city school kids know that the days of making it with only high school ended 30 years ago.

And I find it significant that his career is “landscaper.” How’d he land that job? Mom again? In this great recession, people need landscaping like a fish needs a Hummer.

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Comment by Incredulous
2008-07-10 14:44:03

I was under the impression that FHA loans actually required sufficient, documented income. I guess this collapse still has years to go.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-07-10 16:06:57

someone may have cosigned.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Cinch
2008-07-10 11:47:56

Forgive Hoyt, he is only 20 years old. At this rate he’ll have time to do multiple foreclosure deals in his lifetime.

Cinch

Comment by Timmy Boy
2008-07-10 11:49:35

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Yeah… starting with his own, first =)

 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-07-10 12:06:29

He’s unconcerned about future price declines, AND thinks he just bought a cash flow generator. I know I was young once, but that stupid ?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-07-10 12:31:16

When I was a college-aged pup, I didn’t even think about owning a home. Back then, homeownership was something that wasn’t undertaken until later in life.

 
Comment by wolfgirl
2008-07-10 13:22:02

Rented at 20, moved several times, bought at 25, sold next year and made money, rented and moved frequently until bought again at 40. Still in that house and planning to stay here.

Comment by SV guy
2008-07-10 17:25:51

Bought my first house at 24.

I felt as strongly about that as I do about our immediate future.

Time will tell.

Mike

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-07-10 12:08:34

He’s way too young to know that he’ll want to live in the townhome for many years, and has probably hardly seen anything else outside of Seattle. Too young to get married as well, but I doubt no one would need to convince him of that. Heck, just putting his money in a 401K and renting an efficiency until he knows what to do with his life is probably the best move he can make.

This is a great example of the brainwashing in our society that real estate is always a good investment. Maybe some of us have a stronger ‘nesting instinct’ than others that would explain this, too. Mine is pretty strong, but have fought it off successfully for 40 years now.

 
Comment by Dani W
2008-07-10 12:16:38

I just checked Seattle’s rental prices and he could get a rental for less than $1000.

 
Comment by Mole Man
2008-07-10 18:02:06

Fuzzy math involves taking uncertainty into account. That is its only purpose. This person’s mistake is not taking uncertainty into account.

Comment by BanteringBear
2008-07-10 19:04:41

Not exactly true, but no sense in splitting hairs, I think the term works in his situation.

 
 
 
Comment by Triangle Gal
2008-07-10 11:56:36

Jeppers, what kind of a credit history does a 20 year old have?

Saved intensively? Since high school!

How did this dope get a loan? Mommie and Daddy’s credit rating right?

Comment by bink
2008-07-10 12:05:46

The idea of purchasing a house never entered my head when I was 20. I couldn’t even get a credit card with a $300 limit. We still have a loooong way to go.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-07-10 12:12:44

Kids today are swamped with offers for credit cards fresh out of high school, when they have just the faintest idea of financial responsibility. Many of them have parents who are poor role models. Add that to student loans, a car payment, rent, taxes, and relatively low wages and they often get into huge trouble very, very quickly.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-07-10 12:40:06

Once again, I’m very grateful for my oh-so-frugal parents. They chewed my face about not spending money I don’t have on things I don’t need.

And, but for my mother’s charge plates at the department stores, they didn’t use plastic.

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-07-10 13:13:35

One of the biggest problems with American parenting is that children are not allowed to fail…ever. Just like banks, businesses, and students…we have a society that worships mediocrity and quick returns, but punishes people who do the right thing at the same time.

 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-07-10 15:56:22

Within a week of starting college, my nephew was swamped with credit card offers. He was so overwhelmed by them he ended up calling mom and dad for their opinion about the credit card offers. Their reponse was throw them away. He did and is dealing with just cash.

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Comment by Bronco
2008-07-10 13:33:43

I couldn’t even get a car loan at 22 when I graduated college. And that was for a crappy used car.

Comment by In Colorado
2008-07-10 14:31:07

Same here!

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Comment by Mo Money
2008-07-10 12:03:51

“‘There’s only so much land, for starters,’ said Derby, ‘and only so much river and view.’”

And only a few people left with down payments, good credit, and Lenders willing to lend.

Comment by BanteringBear
2008-07-10 12:08:35

The running out of land argument is “the old standby” around here. When nothing else is working, play the land card.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-07-10 12:14:55

Another thing I’d like to address, is this whole “view” crap. First of all, “peekaboo view” is a bunch of BS. People trying to get $40k-$100k more because you can see a sliver of the Puget Sound if you stand in a one square foot area in the yard? Yeah, effing right, that’s NOT a view! Furthermore, I don’t think these dolts have done the math as to how many view properties and parcels there actually are in the area. TONS. The quantity of view properties far outweigh the number of purchaser’s with the ability to afford them. In essence, view properties are going to become A LOT cheaper. Read it and weep, view property sellers.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2008-07-10 12:41:29

I hope you’re right, BanteringBear. I’d have some interest in picking one up if they get cheap enough. :-)

My impression when I first bought in Seattle in 96 was that a good view added about $100K to price back then. Too rich for my blood fer sure back then. But if they go down to a significant discount to that, I might re-evaluate.

Comment by DinOR
2008-07-10 12:56:31

I for one don’t get the whole “view” thing anyway! I really couldn’t care if my view was of a brick wall in an alley. I really couldn’t. Oh and btw all these people that paid huge premiums for peek-a-boo views are going to have a HARD TIME making that impression on their appraiser as they go to re-fi!

Unless you’ve had a near identical property w/ same said “view” sold ( not “listed” SOLD! ) in the last 6 mos., goooood luck.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2008-07-10 13:15:15

One of the reasons I’d like a view is that an unobstructed (not peek-a–boo) view to the south tends to correlate with more natural lighting; a brighter exposure could help make the most of what little sunlight we get in those long, grey winter months! Plus a good opportunity for use of solar.

 
Comment by Incredulous
2008-07-10 14:55:11

I really couldn’t care if my view was of a brick wall in an alley.
Dinor, actually I had the misfortune of living in a one-month temporary corporate-furnished 1br apt which had about a 5 foot space between the only window and a brick wall (actually the back of the parking garage). I am not prone to depression not claustrophobia, but by the end of the month I thought I was absolutely on the verge of insanity. No sunlight and opening the blinds to look at nothing but a brick wall felt way too much like being incarcerated, it gives me the creeps to this day. It was called the Town and Country Apts back then.

 
Comment by DinOR
2008-07-10 15:45:01

Incredulous,

I’m being a little flippant but I get your point.

I also know a lot of people that have absolutely fabulous views but are so busy PAYING for them they seldom have time to ENJOY them! As I stroll through NW Portland I notice everyone has a balcony ( however dinky ) but I seldom see signs of life out there? It’s just been my experience that a view to die for is only so for about the first 10 minutes. After that it’s “where’s the party”?

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-07-10 15:59:55

Doesn’t Washington State or some of the counties have a view tax? I remember years ago looking at land with my ex in the Allyn/Belfair area and being told there was tax on land that had a view.

 
Comment by SV guy
2008-07-10 17:33:03

My next place has to have a view. Of large Rocky Mountains.

I will pay extra for it.

(Hopefully just a wee bit.)

Mike

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2008-07-10 13:12:18

Another thing I’d like to address, is this whole “view” crap.

This “view” BS, (in many cases) is used anywhere there is water. I looked at a Condo on the beach years ago, the AD read ‘Beautiful Ocean View’. As we were looking I asked the lady selling the place where the ocean view was? Oh you have to go out on the balcony, so we did, the only damn way you could see the ocean was to lean way the hell out over the railing and stretch your neck to see the water. As we were leaving I told the women she could cram her condo, and that she should install safety harnesses on the balcony so that people could strap themselves in while enjoying the ‘view’.

Comment by DinOR
2008-07-10 13:29:39

wmbz,

LOL! Yeah absolutely hysterical. I hope everyone remembers mr.overvalued.blogspot? He did a great bit on how exactly most Americans come all unglued at the thought of being within the proximity of water. ANY water! Oceans, inlets, rivers, streams, ponds, canals, drainage ditches.

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Comment by wolfgirl
2008-07-10 13:26:28

In 1971 I worked for someone who had aany excellent view of Puget Sound. He lived on a housboat.

Comment by Brian in Chicago
2008-07-10 15:01:54

My last apartment had an unobstructed view of Lake Michigan. The sunrise over the lake woke me up every morning. It was very difficult to have a bad day when you started the morning with a gorgeous sunrise.

I think I’d even pay an extra $100 a month for a view like that.

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Comment by DinOR
2008-07-10 15:47:17

Brian in Chicago,

A WHOLE hundred bucks!? You big spender you. I’m originally from Cicero and I found the “view” just fine. :)

 
 
 
 
Comment by deeogee
2008-07-10 18:44:31

“‘There’s only so much land, for starters,’ said Derby, ‘and only so much river and view.’”

And all [land, river view] were and will continue to be there long after the dust settles from this mess.

 
 
Comment by em3
2008-07-10 12:15:03

“In the Treasure Valley, 700 to 800 homes are being sold a month, but many more are also coming right back on the market.”

Yeah we thought, “Okay, we bought a home. Now what do we do?”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-07-10 12:34:25

Here in Tucson, I’m seeing more than a few properties that were bought a year or two ago, and, lookie-lookie, they’re for sale again.

There’s one of these up the street and ’round the corner. Two years to the month after the last purchase, it went back on the market. I suspect an ARM reset.

I’m also seeing a lot of “for sale” houses that went through this cycle:

1. Purchased 3-5 years ago as an investment
2. Rented for a while
3. The amateur landlords got tired of dealing with tenants and all their problems. Not to mention the gap between the amount of rent they could charge vs. what their mortgage was/is, and the anticipated appreciation that didn’t materialize.
4. House gets a new paint job and other quickie spruce-ups
5. Sign sprouts in the front yard, along with a bumper crop of weeds

Comment by DinOR
2008-07-10 13:17:05

Arizona Slim,

You know, everywhere I look I see more evidence of Housing Wizard’s “built in selling pressure”. Unprecedented. Imagine everyone that bought a new car in the last 5 years all trying to trade in ( or up ) on the same weekend?

 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2008-07-10 12:29:17

Statesman Journal from Oregon. “A northeast Salem apartment complex once known as a hotbed of prostitution and drugs was renovated, becoming a condominium complex. But the site has fallen victim to the housing slump.”

“The units at 2401 Wayside Terrace NE were extensively revamped and marketed as condominiums but didn’t sell during the past few months. So they are reverting to apartments.”

WHY?!?…My little enquiring little depraved mind wants to know why?

Did the Realtywhores compete with the professional Hookers for John’s and Tricks and drive the Prices down ?

There must be a market for HOT CONDO SEX….I SAW those staged Condo Shows with the smiling chicks across the alley windows !

Sheesh HOTBED of Prostitution and Realtywhores….I COULDN’T MAKE these hot RE news stories UP with a bottle of Jack Daniels, a double dose of Vigara and Christy Brinkley when she was 20 years old :)

Comment by DinOR
2008-07-10 13:04:38

mikey! LOL!

Me neither, and… not to make excuses for malinvestors but in truth with as much as “close in” homes in Portland have appreciated ( because of all the “great” paying jobs of course ) sadly Salem has become The New Southeast Portland. A lot of people decided that a welfare check went a lot farther in Salem than Portland and wah-bam, instant slum.

What’s really crazy is that a vast majority of those “stately” homes that fetched top dollar in Portland have seen a hundred renters, a thousand pot plants and a handful of violent crimes. Now after years of neglect and abuse they’re given a quick sprucing up and a fancy price tag. Go figure.

Comment by mikey
2008-07-10 13:44:39

Preach it DinOR…

My kid’s out there in Portland area. His g/f’s parents have more money than good sense. They gave her one of those big old houses before she was 24yrs old.

Now she WANTS to sell and buy a new condo on the coast somewhere. No job plans…just a condo on the coast…somewhere.

I just hope their AREN’T any puppies planned and this kid of mine knows what he is doing because I can TELL that this SNOWFLAKE princess isn’t gonna like me :)

Comment by DinOR
2008-07-10 14:00:03

mikey,

Stop it man! I’m bustin’ a gut. You have GOT to be kidding me right? Da’ coast, Oh! You mean “Appalchia West”? Great, Maybe they can do some job sharing driving the shuttle bus for the Chinook Winds Casino? You know, on a part-time/on-call basis.

Please. Portland itself isn’t bad enough? Besides whatever happened to going to the big city to make your mark in the world? As *oxide astutely observes above, so many of these Perma Bulls are just pushing the horizon out by using their own children as “markers” to be called in when “the market gets back to normal”. My in-laws tried to pull it off. I had to labor behind the scenes to drive a wooden stake thru it’s heart, but I did it.

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Comment by mikey
2008-07-10 14:13:45

Hey DinOr..Her Daddy was a softeware geru that made his mark and split with mucho dinaro’s :) and momma’s a a bigtime Realtywhore.

Maybe the kid…really HAS a plan. He really sat up and noticed when his older cousin just married the Bankers Daughter :)

 
Comment by SaladSD
2008-07-10 15:30:56

In the wild West, this counts as Old Money!

 
Comment by DinOR
2008-07-10 15:51:51

Yes, yes, yes of course. Ahem… “Old Money” indeed.

mikey, it just makes me ill that any parent would use their kid/kid’s credit/longevity/youth as a chess piece to “park” their infestments. Doesn’t anybody WORK around here any more!

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2008-07-10 14:29:55

There must be a market for HOT CONDO SEX

The granite countertops will keep them cool.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-10 12:29:47

A housing Cinderella Story, after the clock struck midnight…
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“A northeast Salem apartment complex once known as a hotbed of prostitution and drugs was renovated, becoming a condominium complex. But the site has fallen victim to the housing slump.”

“The units at 2401 Wayside Terrace NE were extensively revamped and marketed as condominiums but didn’t sell during the past few months. So they are reverting to apartments.”

“The gated, Spanish-style condos hardly resemble the apartments that were home to a gang shooting in 1998; declared a public nuisance in 2003; and for years were plagued by arrests for sexual abuse, drug-related offenses and prostitution.”

Comment by DinOR
2008-07-10 13:23:48

aladinsane,

Isn’t it nice of these specuvestors to make the place nice and spiffy for these low-life’s? :)

When they’re done having drive-by’s and cracking into crash and dash ATM machines with a baseball bat I’m sure the units will look right grand in about 18 months! I will have my SIL document and upload the demise for the entertainment of all. Wait a minute? If something happens to him, who’s gonna’ take care of….?

Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-10 13:45:05

Oh, it’s nothing meth can’t make look bad again…

The Pacific Northwest is tweaker alley, so it won’t be long now.

Comment by DinOR
2008-07-10 14:04:52

aladinsane,

And I’m not sure why that is? But it’s true. Personally I’d be willing to even consider lowering the drinking age? I know that’s not popular but kids here readily admit it’s easier to score meth than to get an old wino buy you a six-pack of tall’s!

We have to do ’something’…

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-10 14:18:56

“Drugstore Cowboy” was like a glass-bottom boat voyage view of the PNW drug culture in the 1970’s…

“Barfly” would make for an interesting drugs & drunks double feature.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-07-10 16:04:37

I remember in the late 70’s Shelton, WA was known as one of the largest drug capitals.

 
 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2008-07-10 14:57:21

The 38 two-bedroom apartments will rent for $645 per month, and the one one-bedroom will rent for about $550 per month ??

options for the owners to recover the money they invested in a $2.3 million acquisition and remodeling loan ??

PLUS…A little $100,000. private loan that they failed to tell us about…I know because I looked it up :)

Okay now let me take out my little trusty HP 12C….

38 X $645 + 1 $550 = $14,420. per/Mo X 12/Mo = $173,000./Yr.

Deduct 35% for operating expences > $61,000. < = $113,000. NOI

$113,000. devided by 12 = $9,373. per month Net before D/S

Okay, now the final calculation;

$2.4 mil amortized over 25 years hit ” P/V ”

6% annual interest rate hit ” I ”

25 year fully amortized hit ” N ”

And presto there you have it a payment of; $15,460. Per Mo.

Uh Oh :( $6,100. per month negative…Nice deal eh ??

Comment by scdave
2008-07-10 15:23:20

And that assumes 100% occupancy 100% of the time…Ain’t gonna happen…Got your a$$ handed to you boys….

Comment by DinOR
2008-07-10 15:56:57

scdave,

You bust me up man! LOL!

Yeah, great “strategy” fellas. Can’t wait for your next huge embarrassing failure. In SALEM for chrissakes! Salem for those unfamiliar has “both” kinds of jobs. State jobs and minimum wage jobs. Kind of like a low-rent version of Hollywood. Everyone takes a waiter/fast food gig until their “big break” ( a State job ) comes in. You don’t even feel safe there any more.

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Comment by roguevalleygirl
2008-07-10 18:10:54

Not to worry. They’ll make it up on volume.

 
 
 
Comment by JohnF
2008-07-10 12:36:30

“‘For some (homeowners), a rent of $800 is better than nothing when you have a $1,200 mortgage,’ Rampelberg said.”

This sounds like a really sound investment - a loss of $400 per month plus you have to pay taxes, insurance and maintenance. I mean, I’m sure I’ll make it all up on the future appreciation, right? Kinda like investing in a start-up biotech company…..

…..where do I sign up?

Comment by bairen
2008-07-10 12:45:26

It’s Alice in Wonderland math. You gain through your losses.

Comment by Michael Fink
2008-07-10 13:46:52

I think they call that “Fed math”. Or “Greenspan-nomics”. Something like that.

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2008-07-10 14:07:12

John F,

At least with a “bio” you have a 1 in 10 chance their product will be approved by the FDA? :(

Don’t be SORE, buy some MORE! :)

 
 
Comment by bairen
2008-07-10 12:42:17

““‘The is the first time I’ve actually seen (prices) drop, especially to this degree,’ said broker Doug Burger, who has spent nearly 30 years in real estate. ‘To take this kind of turn is surprising for everybody.’””

No not everybody. Only the financially illiterate, bankers, real estate agents, sophisticated investors, and the unwashed masses who fell for NAR’s hype.

Unfortunately this bust is going to cause a big hit to those of us who saw it coming (job loss, collapse of the dollar, higher food and energy, etc.)

 
Comment by reuven avram
2008-07-10 13:04:51

“He intends to live in his town home for many years, happy he’s not paying rent to live in a place he doesn’t own. ‘The money will come back to me [in appreciation],’ Hoyt said.”

1. No he won’t. His wife will bug him for a bigger house as soon as they have a kid.

2. You don’t really “own” a townhome, you own from the paint on the walls in. And the HOA can charge anything it wants a month

3. If he intends to live there for many years, why does he care about “appreciation?”

Comment by FreedomLover
2008-07-10 13:39:19

More twisted idiotical thinking.

 
 
Comment by HARM
2008-07-10 13:54:12

“…He intends to live in his town home for many years, happy he’s not paying rent to live in a place he doesn’t own.”

“…They’re also concerned about their future property values. ‘It’s frustrating because I know they’re going to get frustrated and they’re going to end up renting them out and, there’s nothing wrong with renters, but I hate to see it,’ said Burden.”

…“‘For some (homeowners), a rent of $800 is better than nothing when you have a $1,200 mortgage,’ Rampelberg said.”

Glad to see renters are maintaining their “special” social status in the press… somewhere between lawyers and child molesters.

God forbid any of these wonderful people quoted in the papers are stricken with that dreaded social disease known as renterhood. Rent a house (much cheaper) than renting money from the bank?? Perish the thought!

 
Comment by oxide
2008-07-10 13:56:23

So taking a small hit on your smaller home, you’re going to make a large savings on a large home right now,’ said Warrick.”

Oh look, it’s a new repackaging of the the old argument: “You can use this affordibility product to buy more house.” [translation: “I get a nice kickback for selling you the toxic loan, plus 6% of the larger price.)

NICE TRY!!! Not gonna work, dimwit — and nobody has any money left to trade up anyway.

 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-07-10 14:22:21

I wouldn’t care if Congress outlawed selling or buying real estate for a year, rather than trying to prop up the banks and the market. I’m getting sick of even looking at these retards and their stupid ads.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-07-10 14:54:40

“But he thinks many buyers don’t realize ‘the reduced value is already priced into the list price,’ and sellers aren’t asking top dollar from the start.”

And what this greedhead doesn’t realize is that savvy, creditworthy buyers [a rapidly-shrinking pool] realize the market has a lot further to fall, and so the downside potential is factored into their offers. That “laughable” offer he rejected won’t seem so amusing by next Spring, when the offers are going to be coming in much lower, if at all. I’ve got all the time in the world to wait these fools out.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2008-07-10 14:58:50

“‘I understand the buyers’ side of things,’ he said. ‘It’s scary to think you could buy, and the house will lose another 10 percent.’”

No, you clearly do NOT understand the buyer’s side of things. Houses could easily lose 30% or more, which isn’t just “scary” - it’s ruinous for those who overpay with borrowed money. Oh, and I’ve never felt any particular obligation to singlehandedly fund some Boomer’s golden years.

 
Comment by FP
2008-07-10 15:15:34

I’m sure glad I wasn’t 20 years old around 2002-2007. So much pressure to buy a home. When your young like Ian, you believe anything and apparently the RE monsters got to him big time.

hmm let me see.. what was I doing at twenty? oh yeah, trying to finish the 3rd year on my 5year degree. :) frat parties, beach, movies, girlfriends, working at a pizza joint, mooching rides up and down the coast. Never thought of buying a home. Nope. Not at all.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-07-10 15:37:35

When I was 20 years old, I was living in a college dorm room, going to class, studying for tests, and working on the school paper.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-07-10 16:07:49

When I was 20, I was in the U.S. Army. Never gave any thought of buying a house at that time also. Having way too much fun with my fellow GIs. :)

 
 
Comment by mikey
2008-07-10 15:21:25

Play it again Sam :)

 
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