July 16, 2008

Is This A Model That Works Any More?

Some housing bubble news from Wall Street and Washington. Bloomberg. “Confidence among U.S. homebuilders dropped to a record low in July. The National Association of Homebuilders/Wells Fargo sentiment index decreased to 16 from 18 in June, the Washington- based group said today. Readings under 50 mean most respondents view conditions as poor.”

“The NAHB index of buyer traffic fell to 12 in July from 16. All of the gauge’s three components were the lowest ever and pessimism grew in three of four regions.”

“‘Given the systematic deterioration of job markets, rising energy costs and sinking home values aggravated by the rising tide of foreclosures, many prospective buyers have simply returned to the sidelines until conditions improve,’ David Seiders, chief economist at the builders’ group, said in a statement.”

From Portfolio.com. “Through a program that provided loans on favorable terms to V.I.P. borrowers, the nation’s largest mortgage lender curried favor with politicians, government officials, and business partners who were in a position to influence policy, profits, or public opinion.”

“A loan officer…who served as gatekeeper for the V.I.P. program from 2000 to 2004, wrote hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of loans-as much as $400 million in 2003 alone-for customers whom his superiors had singled out for special treatment. After he filled out the applications, they were processed by a V.I.P.-loan underwriting unit, which had its own branch number in Countrywide’s recordkeeping system.”

“To gain access and ‘keep their edge,’ says retired managing director Sidney Lenz, who oversaw government relations for Countrywide, the company’s lobbyists identified potential customers on Capitol Hill and in federal agencies and directed them to the V.I.P. program.”

“The company’s lobbyists were ‘incredibly receptive’ to loan requests from officials, she says, and it paid off.”

“‘Countrywide had an incredibly good relationship with Congress. It was not unusual for us to get a call saying, ‘A bill’s being introduced. It’s a little technical, and there are parts we don’t understand. Can you help educate us on this?’”

From Politico.com. “If you want to know how Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have survived scandal and crisis, consider this: Over the past decade, they have spent nearly $200 million on lobbying and campaign contributions. But the political tentacles of the mortgage giants extend far beyond their checkbooks.”

“They’ve stacked their payrolls with top Washington power brokers of all political stripes, including Republican John McCain’s presidential campaign manager, Rick Davis; Democrat Barack Obama’s original vice presidential vetter, Jim Johnson; and scores of others now working for the two rivals for the White House.”

“Critics have long argued that both Fannie and Freddie operated with too small a capital cushion to adequately offset financial risk. But the mortgage giants have consistently beaten back congressional efforts to increase oversight, even after a major accounting scandal in 2003 resulted in a $400 million fine for Fannie.”

“In July 2003, Davis wrote to the American Banker, taking issue with an opinion piece by Leslie Paige of Citizens Against Government Waste, arguing that Fannie and Freddie should operate with greater transparency.”

“‘Several of Ms. Paige’s assertions bear correction,’ Davis wrote, defending Fannie and Freddie on behalf of the group. ‘The GSEs are subject to an innovative and stringent risk-based capital stress test - the toughest in the financial services industry.’”

“McCain has called the government’s weekend intervention in the struggling companies ‘correct,’ saying he hoped that the action would ‘preserve the ability of Americans to obtain loans in order to buy a home and be able to afford mortgage payments they’re having to make.’”

From CNN Money. “Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson was hammered by lawmakers on Tuesday over the Bush administration’s plan to prop up mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Paulson argued that the best way to assure the markets was to give the broadest possible guarantees of access to government capital by those firms.”

“‘If you’ve got a squirt gun in your pocket, you probably will have to take it out,’ Paulson said. ‘If you have a bazooka in your pocket and people know it, you probably won’t have to take it out.’”

“The rescue plan won some support. But the amount of opposition and skepticism from other members of the committee, both Democrat and Republican, suggested that hopes voiced by Paulson and Dodd for action on the proposal within the next week may be a long shot.”

“Other senators questioned whether the rescue plan would reward management and shareholders who should have seen problems coming due to the downturn in housing. And some even questioned if trying to rescue the firms at this point is really the best course.”

“‘The question we are really going to be dealing with is this a model that works any more?’ asked Sen. Chuck Hagel.”

The Associated Press. “Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke told Congress Wednesday that troubled mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are in ‘no danger of failing.’ Bernanke said the ‘best solution’ is to keep Fannie and Freddie ‘in their current form’ as opposed to having the government take them over.”

“It is also vital for Congress to boost regulatory oversight on the two companies. Such powers are contained in a sweeping housing-rescue package. Congressional leaders plan to add to the bill the provisions Paulson is seeking to aid Fannie and Freddie.”

“Spencer Bachus of Alabama, the panel’s most senior Republican, said of the housing boom-to-bust situation: ‘Fortunes were made on the way up and pain will be felt on the way down.’”

The National Journal. “At least one member was unconvinced. ‘When I picked up my newspaper yesterday, I thought I woke up in France. But no, it turns out socialism is alive and well in America. The Treasury secretary is asking for a blank check to buy as much Fannie and Freddie debt or equity as he wants,’ said Sen. Jim Bunning.”

The Birmingham News. “Sen. Richard Shelby said Tuesday the current housing crisis is an opportune time to ‘rein in’ the two government-sponsored enterprises - a goal of his for many years - but he stopped short of formally endorsing the plan announced over the weekend by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson Jr.”

“‘We realize that they’re important to our housing. They’re important to our economy,’ Shelby said during one of two hearings on the subject Tuesday. ‘But they have to be capitalized well. They’ve got to be managed well. And they’ve got to be regulated.’”

“Shelby also mocked those who opposed stronger regulation of Fannie and Freddie in legislation he pushed years ago because they feared it would endanger the companies.”

“‘Goodness,’ he said. ‘I hope it is now clear that quite the opposite is true.’”

The Daily Bulletin. “The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development and the U.S. Senate are attempting to ban seller-funded downpayment-assistance programs, claiming they are a driving force behind the foreclosure crisis.”

“The housing relief bill passed by the Senate prohibits the use of seller-funded downpayments - and effectively bans the nonprofits supplying the service - on FHA-insured loans. The White House is threatening a veto should the bill clear the House of Representatives as it is currently written.”

“The House’s version of the bill, which was passed in May, would tighten standards but ultimately maintain the legality of such programs.”

“Last fall, HUD proposed eliminating the programs but was blocked in court. HUD reported nonprofit downpayment-assistance is used in 14.8 percent of all FHA loans that default within 90 days, as opposed to 7.57 percent of buyers who use gifts from family.”

“According to Sen. Kit Bond, the nationwide surge of foreclosures proves what can happen when borrowers overextend themselves. ‘Putting a family in a home they cannot afford is setting them up for failure,’ said Bond. ‘They should wait until they’ve saved … for at least a modest downpayment.’”

“And, opponents of the programs add, sellers, including home builders, merely inflate their prices to pay for the downpayment assistance.”

“Scott Syphax, CEO of Nehemiah Corp. of America, said his company helped 14,000 Californians buy a home the past year. ‘We have a number of supporters in Congress,’ said Syphax.”

The New York Times. “Bank stocks spun wildly on Tuesday in another bruising day for financial companies. The marketplace is passing harsh judgment on an industry that was a darling of Wall Street when home prices and mortgage lending boomed in recent years.”

“The missteps the banks made in good times are glaring. ‘The whole allure of regional banks has gone out of fashion,’ said David Hendler, a research analyst at Credit Sights in New York. ‘They used to have the best perfume in the business. Now, they have an odor.’”

“Even the whiff of bad news can send a stock falling. Zions Bancorporation, a Utah-based lender which barreled into construction lending in once-hot markets like Nevada and California, planned to use its in-house brokerage arm to raise $150 million in a series of deals. But when it raised only about $47 million in its first attempt, investors concluded the bank was struggling to raise cash.”

“‘The stock has literally cratered,’ said Richard X. Bove, a prominent banking analyst. ‘It has just fallen apart.’”

The St Louis Post Dispatch. “Local bankers say they are in good shape, but their customers are nervous as the bad news about lenders nationally continues to pile up. ‘People who never asked about FDIC insurance are asking about it now,’ said Steve Marsh, president of Enterprise Bank & Trust in Clayton. ‘They also ask about exposure to subprime loans.’”

“In testimony Tuesday before Congress, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke tried to put IndyMac’s troubles in perspective.”

“‘Its failure … was inevitable,’ he said because the bank was weighed down by low-quality mortgages. ‘All banks are being challenged by credit conditions now,’ he said, adding that the Fed is keeping close tabs on the nation’s banking sector.”

“‘The real issue is, there are bankers who simply lost track of their role as the financial custodian of their depositors’ assets,’ said David Naunheim, president of commercial lending for UMB Bank in St. Louis. ‘They just haven’t stuck to their knitting.’”

“Rick Bagy, president of First National Bank of St. Louis, said local banks haven’t been hurt as much as other markets because real estate values haven’t declined as drastically as they have elsewhere. Most local banks avoided subprime loans, those made to borrowers with shaky credit.”

“‘We all tend to overreact to information,’ he said. ‘Our opinion at First National Bank is that we have reached the bottom of the housing market in St. Louis. It may be flat. We are about - and I can’t define ‘about’ - to improve.’”

The Miami Herald. “Miami-Dade County Mayor Carlos Alvarez on Tuesday announced the arrests of 30 people on charges related to mortgage fraud. The arrests, carried out over the last six months, bring the number of arrests to 56 since the mortgage-fraud task force was formed in September.”

“Real-estate professionals, including agents, mortgage brokers and appraisers were among those arrested as well as people who had sold their identities so homes could be bought in so-called straw-buyer schemes.”

“‘What is really disturbing is you can see the fraud occurring at all levels,’ Alvarez said, noting that lenders were also guilty to the extent they made loans without confirming borrowers’ identities or the information in mortgage applications.”

“Earlier this year, state legislators passed a law toughening penalties for mortgage-fraud convictions and requiring law enforcement to notify local property appraisers of properties possibly targeted by scammers.”

“Appraisers would then have to consider whether property values for neighboring homeowners should be revalued for tax purposes. The law took effect July 1.”

“Florida ranks first in the nation for mortgage fraud and second in the number of foreclosures. ‘The real estate crisis has to do not only with the economy but [with] the amount of fraud that has taken place in our community,’ Alvarez said.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-07-16 12:10:05

The Portfolio and Politico articles are worth reading in full.

Comment by Chip
2008-07-16 12:40:35

Just read the entire Portfolio article and it’s sickening, relative to all the people who took “VIP” discounts. I must have been missing something - I thought Conde Nast was a travel and leisure publication. But lately, they have been scooping some great HBB-related stuff. Kudos to them for that.

Comment by SDGreg
2008-07-16 14:09:07

“At least one member was unconvinced. ‘When I picked up my newspaper yesterday, I thought I woke up in France. But no, it turns out socialism is alive and well in America. The Treasury secretary is asking for a blank check to buy as much Fannie and Freddie debt or equity as he wants,’ said Sen. Jim Bunning.”

When I saw the reference to France, I was thinking French Revolution. We are seeing how deep and wide the corruption runs. The current coziness of business and government in this country would make any Mussolini corporatist/fascist proud. It’s nauseating and infuriating.

 
 
Comment by Chip
2008-07-16 13:20:59

And in the Politico article:

“Johnson headed Fannie Mae from 1991 to 1998, leaving with a $21 million payout. Even after he left, Fannie continued to pay him an annual fee of at least $300,000 a year for consulting services and a $71,000 monthly pension, according to filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.”

Are you kidding me? And this is in Politico and not on NBC/ABC/CBS? Heck, Tim Russert got way more coverage than this. Johnson was in the job seven years. 84 months. And in addition to a zillion-dollar payout, he gets $77,000 a month for the rest of his life?

Gimme a pitchfork.

Comment by hd74man
2008-07-16 13:24:36

RE: Johnson headed Fannie Mae from 1991 to 1998, leaving with a $21 million payout. Even after he left, Fannie continued to pay him an annual fee of at least $300,000 a year for consulting services and a $71,000 monthly pension,

The board of directors’ meetings musta been like an all out drunken Roman orgy.

And Bush wants to give these people a blank check?

Bring out the guillotines.

Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-07-16 13:35:18

raines is a dem ,dude

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Comment by exeter
2008-07-16 14:51:49

And Alphonso Jackson was a ReKleptican. Remember him? The Bush appointed HUD chief who was forced to resign for passing envelopes and getting a 0% mortgage from OranguTanMan?

 
Comment by mrincomestream
2008-07-16 15:08:15

Does it really matter…they are all complicit…it would be nice to get a do-over on all of them irregardless of party…screwing off this country and selling it to the highest bidder was a bi-partisan effort…

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2008-07-16 16:24:45

“Does it really matter…they are all complicit…”

Yes.

 
Comment by Joe Schmoe
2008-07-16 16:28:38

So is Johnson. Not that my GOP is any better about this stuff, sadly.

 
Comment by foo
2008-07-16 19:15:36

The GOP rule at this kind of stuff.

Don’t bother with the standard GOP “well, they all do it defence” - nobody buys it any more. Its the scale of the corruption that matters.

 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2008-07-16 14:28:30

It would be sooo nice if the Tan Man and the Friends of Angelo, could enjoy a Pick Up the Soap Festival in a Federal Prision :)

 
Comment by measton
2008-07-16 15:51:36

This was a letter someone posted on another site. I thought it was well written and might be a good one to send to your senator or congressman.

To: Whom it may concern

Today, the news has confirmed to me what I’ve suspected for quite some time now. US markets are being manipulated and being run over roughshod by people using loopholes, and the lack of enforcement presence in our security agencies.

The practice of selling a security “short” historically requires that a security be present in the hands of a brokerage or dealer in order to be sold. Today, it was well apparent that “short selling” is being allowed without lawful checks and balances. The result of this practice allows a short seller to sell securities that simply do not exist, resulting in a securities value being crushed to the detriment of security holders.

There is a lack of confidence in the market. Today’s news is worse. There is a lack of confidence in the people who govern and run the market. Incompetence in the heads of the securities markets, from the SEC, NASDAQ, to the NYSE, and countless Boards of Directors of brokerages and banks have allowed rule changes that are affecting our entire country and spreading disastrous economic implications throughout the world. The simple fact that the FED would state, that they are disallowing naked short sells on Fannie and Freddie, proves this incompetence. Naked short sells are already against the rules governing these transactions.

Faster isn’t always better. Enforce the rules on the books. Re-instate the uptick rule and do not allow naked shorting of securities. Our future depends on wise and judicious government of our investments and savings policies.

I would guess all of us have been victims of this kind of crap.

 
Comment by Ken Best
2008-07-16 16:17:00

$77,000 pension is nothing comparing to what fed/state/city
employees are getting. California cops get $130,000 a year pension, captain may be $250,000. That’s 3M to 7M each.
Many public employees retire at age 50 with pension north
of $100,000 a year.

Comment by hip in zilker
2008-07-16 16:57:44

That’s per year. Johnson’s is $71,000 per month! For his 8 years.

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Comment by exeter
2008-07-16 18:13:53

Hmmm…. A cop gets 10k per month and Johnson gets 7x more. Those horrible cops!

 
Comment by deeogee
2008-07-16 20:01:00

“Johnson’s is $71,000 per month! For his 8 years.”

The purpose of well trained drones; support the Riff- Raff, that is, those who consider themselves above working .

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-16 12:12:21

I can faintly hear a Gulfstream V warming up it’s engines on a runaway, somewhere in the city of angles…

Delivering one solitary orange, on a 1-way mission to non-extraditionville
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“Through a program that provided loans on favorable terms to V.I.P. borrowers, the nation’s largest mortgage lender curried favor with politicians, government officials, and business partners who were in a position to influence policy, profits, or public opinion.”

“A loan officer…who served as gatekeeper for the V.I.P. program from 2000 to 2004, wrote hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of loans-as much as $400 million in 2003 alone-for customers whom his superiors had singled out for special treatment. After he filled out the applications, they were processed by a V.I.P.-loan underwriting unit, which had its own branch number in Countrywide’s recordkeeping system.”

Comment by Blue Skye
2008-07-16 12:44:04

I have to wonder if history will record this as the Great Depression of Fraud and Corruption.

Why wouldn’t Senators themselves eventually be on trial for these bribery schemes. We will need some kind of blood sport to entertain the masses.

Comment by KenWPA
2008-07-16 14:26:56

All of this reminds you more of Saddam’s Iraq than France. At least in France and other Socialists countries everybody gets a bit of the cream.

Here it is if you are willing to toe the line and are well-connected, you are golden. If you are dirt poor you can survive, and if you are lower middle and middle class you are being squeezed from all directions. Pretty much everything except worker’s salaries continue to go up year after year. The slow erosion of the American standard of living will eventually reach a boiling point. I think with people maxing out credit and after the countries largest bubble, we might find it hard to find the next BIG thing to keep the illusion going.

I am not a fan of Obama, but at least he seemed to light a fire under the younger generation. Maybe with their activism and the re-invigoration of Gen-X, we can turn this ship around without resorting to the country filing bankruptcy or a revolution.

Comment by BanteringBear
2008-07-16 14:50:42

I don’t think anything short of a revolution could loosen the stranglehold which corporations and crooked politicians have upon this country. Even a glimpse into Obama’s camp reveals some rather unsavory characters. The system is corrupt. It’s what happens when you have a capitalistic society with, for the most part, one common goal; riches. Greed is evil.

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Comment by Xiaoding
2008-07-17 05:41:47

Henry Ford had to put machine gun emplacements on his property. We need to instill that kind of fear again.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-07-16 12:16:55

“Confidence among U.S. homebuilders dropped to a record low in July. The National Association of Homebuilders/Wells Fargo sentiment index decreased to 16 from 18 in June, the Washington- based group said today. Readings under 50 mean most respondents view conditions as poor.”

I guess the homebuilders missed the Wall Street memo that the housing bust is over.

 
Comment by texas rules
2008-07-16 12:17:10

Is that a bazooka in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?

Comment by Mo Money
2008-07-16 12:21:47

Makes you wonder if Paulson is completely clueless to use a euphemism like that.

Comment by texas rules
2008-07-16 12:27:19

I don’t think those guys in the ivory towers can even spell ufamizm.

 
Comment by OCDan
2008-07-16 12:27:27

I think that your analysis is not only spot on, but that the guy is entirely a doofus. How did this guy ever get to where he is?

Could he even run a MickeyD’s?

Think NOT!

Comment by DinOR
2008-07-16 12:39:11

OCDan,

We have only to wonder what would have unfolded had Bob Rubin been in office for this? I for one think it would have been handled more quickly and addressed more professionally but that’s just me.

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-07-16 16:54:23

Ron Paul tore them up again today. I wish some of the other reps would donate their minutes to RP and let him rip.

Of course, BB seemed to give the blank stare “you’re right, now what should I do” response.

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-16 12:51:37

Who knew that Paulson was really “Bazooka Joe”?

Comical…

 
 
Comment by Chip
2008-07-16 12:17:30

“Earlier this year, state legislators passed a law toughening penalties for mortgage-fraud convictions and requiring law enforcement to notify local property appraisers of properties possibly targeted by scammers.”

“Appraisers would then have to consider whether property values for neighboring homeowners should be revalued for tax purposes. The law took effect July 1.”

Now I want to see reporting on the effects of this change. I want to see investigative reporters going to appraisers’ offices and interviewing them about the quantity and type of such notifications that they’re receiving and how, and how quickly, they are re-valuing neighboring properties. Wonder what the chances are.

 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-07-16 12:18:25

someone explain to me how congressmen taking favorable loans not available to the public is not considered bribery or corruption ? This reeks of prostitution with our elected representatives being the call girls.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-16 12:23:32

Senatortutes love to turn tricks, dontcha know?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-07-16 12:23:38

It was a “don’t ask — don’t tell” V.I.P. loan program.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-07-16 14:05:14

what can we do about it?
Throw out the ones who take perks and do favors in return.. lets see.. 435 reps.. 100 senators.. 535 of them and install Windows XP?

Comment by deeogee
2008-07-16 20:05:59

“what can we do about it?
Throw out the ones who take perks and do favors in return.. lets see.. 435 reps.. 100 senators.. 535 of them and install Windows XP?”

Perhaps it’s time for Plato’s philosopher king. Those at the helm should not have personal incentive to keep the ship sailing.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-07-16 20:39:43

It is against the rules for a Senator/Congressman to take a benefit ,or gift ,or discount, of over 100 dollars per year . All the Senators know the rules . The point is that their defense is that they didn’t know they were getting a benefit . While this is hard to believe ,it would be their defense and this was the BS that Dodds came up with as a defense . If Dodds was a sincere guy who really didn’t know he got a benefit from Countrywide that was illegal ,he would give back the money he gained by the Countywide bribe .

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Comment by Professor Bear
2008-07-16 12:24:48

“The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development and the U.S. Senate are attempting to ban seller-funded downpayment-assistance programs, claiming they are a driving force behind the foreclosure crisis.”

How did they come up with this notion?

Comment by DinOR
2008-07-16 13:04:11

Professor Bear,

Like the rest of us haven’t had enough swift kicks in the nutt’s over this? Wow, talk about adding insult to injury? And to think they decimated the country to get a 1/2 a point off and have ‘most’ of the fees waived?

Shows just how shallow these people really are. “Could you educate us on this new bill?” Chrissakes, give me a break. They need to bust those deals and get them on a loan just like anyone else w/ their FICO/DTI would have gotten at the time. Eeeeenough.

 
Comment by hd74man
2008-07-16 13:40:42

RE: ban seller-funded downpayment-assistance programs, claiming they are a driving force behind the foreclosure crisis.”

I use to fight this scam all the time.

The broker’s in a sale collude to bump up the purchase contract price to 103% of the original list price to create a false equity position for the buyer.

On top of that they usually want an additional 5% for personal property and assorted other BS.

Or course when you run a statical regression analysis of neighborhood sales the median final contract price is only 96% of the final listing price.

When you submit your valuation on the proven data, the broker screams to the originator, to get another appraiser which is then done.

So a number hitter puffs up the estimate of fair market value by at least 12% which is pure fiction.

So bein’ 12% behind the 8-ball from th git go, throw in the accelerated physical depreciation involved in most of the foreclosed FHA/HUD properties and you have a these turkeys taking loss major loss hits to their portfolio’s.

These turkeys are in the same as everybody else.

 
 
Comment by OCDan
2008-07-16 12:25:36

I must say Ben, I like the title of this thread. However, I read into it my own analysis.

That being that the 30 year mortgage model is dead.

When one thinks about it, even before this bubble started years ago, only a few people should be buying homes at sky-high prices anywhere and on loans that last 30 years.

In what world would anyone making a hefty 75-100K, even in LA/OC/IE areas, consider taking out a 30 yr. note on even a 200-225K home?

Find a rental and SAVE, yes, I said save the difference.

PAY YOURSELF/FAMILY, FIRST!

Why pay for your banker, even if he/she is a good person, to pay for their home, put their kids through college, and go to Aruba every year.

DO IT YOURSELF!

Sure, you pay your LL’s mortgage. But you know what, you pocket some cash or can invest it or take the vacy for yourself/family.

Not only that, but why assume this big note and all the FREAKIN responsibility thst comes with it?

Again, I read the article and I realize that I assumed a different story, which is ok. It is Ben’s world here.

I am just saying that this whole model, right down to buying a home has to be rethought/retooled.

I know not everyone likes Dave Ramsey, but his notion about 15 year loans sounds right to me. I know it will never happen. It would take not just a depression, but a HUGE one with maybe a 9.0 quake before homes in South OC ever make a 15 year affordable.

However, I can dream or save up and then buy with cash when I am ready to retire outta this hole!

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-07-16 12:31:23

“That being that the 30 year mortgage model is dead.”

Not dead, just sleeping. My recollection is that the 30-yr mortgage was invented in the wake of the Great Depression, as a more sustainable model of mortgage financing than the interest-only financing that was prevalent during the 1920s.

Comment by DinOR
2008-07-16 13:29:27

OCDan,

One of your All-Time great posts. Anyone with a financial practice that doesn’t have at least a passing familiarity w/ Dave should just go out and shoot themselves in the head right now.

You don’t have to agree with ‘everything’ he says but he’s spot on w/ this one. Professor Bear is mostly correct but what really happened in the wake of the Roaring 20’s was that they *did do away with I/O’s but in 1934 when the changed many security/banking regs. the bankers agreed to not being able to “call in the note” but in exchange were allowed to “front load” all of the interest! ( It’s a Wonderful Life w/ Jimmy Stewart )

That’s why I get such a kick out people that tell you they are only paying 5 or 5 1/2 or 7% interest. Really? Well d!ckhead, the only way that math pencils out is if you STAY in the loan for the full THIRTY YEARS! Otherwise you’re paying about 300% int.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-07-16 12:38:07

“Sure, you pay your LL’s mortgage.”

And my LL pays my rec club membership, property taxes that cover my kid’s schools, and gardeners’ fees. Plus I don’t get to ride down along the falling knife of home price declines.

Comment by Muggy
2008-07-16 12:58:26

I just looked up my rental’s value on zillow and it dropped $35k!

Has anyone else ever been on Sheikra?

http://www.coaster-net.com/pics/bgt/sheikra18_homer.JPG

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2008-07-16 12:50:08

My fondest dream out of this mess would be a dismantling of the corrupt GSE system. It might actually happen. Now if only there was a run on the Fed…

Comment by Mo Money
2008-07-16 13:10:50

There is so much corruption being revealed in several investment markets at once that your average Joe Sixpack will never want to invest in stocks and bonds again. With rising interest rates coming the place to be is in insured MMF’s and that will be it. Wall Street has committed suicide by rampant graft and con artistry. Who will trust them ever again ?

Comment by combotechie
2008-07-16 13:40:20

“There is so much corruption being revealed in several investment markets at once that your average Joe Sixpack will never want to invest in stocks and bonds again.”

Yep. This setiment prevails at the end of every bear market. Bring it on, I say.

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Comment by Mo Money
2008-07-16 13:47:08

End of a bear market ? The fun has only begun for the bears.

 
Comment by combotechie
2008-07-16 14:00:07

I’m not saying this is the end, I’m saying this is the sentiment at the end.

 
 
Comment by Rapaiz
2008-07-16 20:14:47

MMF - Money Market Fund?

I have been watching the blog for some time. Always find it very interesting and useful.

So, if I don’t want to stand in line at banks hoping I can get my money back and I don’t want to sleep on a lumpy matress, where is the best place to park money - regardless of return.

Are institutions such as Fidelity and Vanguard a better choice. I can’t see how these companies could have gotten into too much trouble since they are investing other people’s money. Is that correct?

Any feedback is appreciated.

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-07-16 13:33:56

I see your dream, and raise you a constitutional Balanced Budget Amendment and an egalitarian flat tax with a complete elimination of all tax writeoffs.

Comment by DinOR
2008-07-16 14:28:35

NSO,

I’d gladly do away with the relative minuscule tax advantages of contributing to an IRA/401k if…. :

We do away with MID

Gut the tax gains exemption on primary residence

Disallow the writing off of property taxes on your Federal return

Eliminate int. deduction on 2nd homes

Sure. No probalo. :)

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Comment by Muggy
2008-07-16 15:29:33

“No probalo.”

Nice!!! Free canceltation!

http://www.homestarrunner.com/senormortgage.html

 
 
 
Comment by Michael Emmel
2008-07-16 13:42:31

Ben a run on the Fed has been in progress for some time.

I suspect that the Fed itself is close to insolvent if you mark the collateral they are taking for loans to market.

Not that it can’t resupply itself but the Fed is fast approaching the point that it will have to go to congress to get additional funding.

 
Comment by kevintx
2008-07-16 14:07:15

$200 million in GSE lobbying. I didn’t even bother to email.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2008-07-16 15:05:30

“”My fondest dream out of this mess would be a dismantling of the corrupt GSE system. It might actually happen. Now if only there was a run on the Fed…”

If you haven’t already seen it you’re gonna love the Prudent Bear link I just posted at the end (6pm EDT) of this thread. I posted a portion of a very long article but it is probably worth clicking the link for a full read.

 
 
Comment by exeter
2008-07-16 14:59:15

Dave Ramsey is dead on about the 15 year note along with everything else. Ramsey publicly acknowledged that we’ve been LED down this path of over-consumption, piggery, thievery and graft by the banksters and fraudsters.

 
 
Comment by Scott G
2008-07-16 12:28:39

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/moneymag/0807/gallery.bplive_topearners.moneymag/index.html

I like how the home values of some of these top earner towns are 8, 9, 10x their pre-tax incomes. I’m sure some bought long ago but anybody trying to buy these houses now on those incomes are going to have a tough time getting a loan.

Comment by OCDan
2008-07-16 13:46:57

Scott,

My hometown of Ridgewood, NJ made the list at #15.

I can assure you my family was not even close to the median of 150K+ for that town.

Even so, home prices are still 4X income there.

What is remarkable is the NY/NJ/CT towns there. No wonder taxes are so high. It is a veritable haven for taxation. Don’t get me wrong about taxes and the rich. I am just saying that when incomes are 150K+, it is easy pickins for some of these goobermints.

Comment by SV guy
2008-07-16 16:56:39

My city made #6 (Los Altos).

It is a nice place to live.

Mike

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-16 12:30:38

1/5th of a Billion Dollars for influence peddling, but not one Cent for common sense…
_______________________________________________________________

“If you want to know how Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have survived scandal and crisis, consider this: Over the past decade, they have spent nearly $200 million on lobbying and campaign contributions. But the political tentacles of the mortgage giants extend far beyond their checkbooks.”

“They’ve stacked their payrolls with top Washington power brokers of all political stripes, including Republican John McCain’s presidential campaign manager, Rick Davis; Democrat Barack Obama’s original vice presidential vetter, Jim Johnson; and scores of others now working for the two rivals for the White House.”

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-07-16 14:15:03

hmm.. pretty smart.
Good management can’t be overvalued, imo.. i may have to buy some of that GSE stuff.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-07-16 12:33:21

“‘Several of Ms. Paige’s assertions bear correction,’ Davis wrote, defending Fannie and Freddie on behalf of the group. ‘The GSEs are subject to an innovative and stringent risk-based capital stress test - the toughest in the financial services industry.’”

Last weekend was one heckofa GSE stress test, and they came right through intact.

Comment by DinOR
2008-07-16 14:51:25

Professor Bear,

Financially or politically? I’ve watched their stock prices propped up by what seemed to be nothing more than fluff and hot air for the last 4 or 5 years. How many accountants/man hours has it taken to get to the bottom of this thing? Apparently we’re not there yet.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-07-16 16:20:56

- Political stress test grade: A+

- Financial stress test grade: D-

 
 
 
Comment by jb
2008-07-16 12:33:57

Thats it…. I cant take it anymore. I am sending Jim Bunning $100.
(please note that I am a lifelong democrat who has never voted republican)

Comment by Poshboy
2008-07-16 19:17:07

Sen. Bunning is awesome. About a year ago he called the Fed chairman “Helicopter Ben” on the Senate floor. Nearly spit my coffee out when I heard it…

Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-07-16 21:28:30

Senator Bunning for President . This guy could do it . Something about a x ball- player. Paulson always talks loud and I’m sick of the .”Trust me ,I worked all weekend “,c-ap that comes out of his mouth .

In addition ,I find it very funny how the Senators and Congressman question Paulson and the Fed Chairman . As if these clowns have shown any evidence or convincing proof of their contentions that their plans will work . I don’t find it helpful that the dream team of Paulson and BB get up there and state their case ,after failing to be accurate on their last predictions . Now they are asking for a “blank check” ,no doubt because they hate answering to Congress/Senate ,or the taxpayers ,for bail-outs to parties of their choice .

These goof wanted to use Fred and Fannie as the dumping group for their bail-out plan but after the fact they find out that F&F is already suffering from losses from taking on junk paper
in the last 3 years .Next step will be the Government being the lender of Mortgages . It was a very big mistake to try to prop up a declining market by upping the loan limits of the GSE’s .The fact that the loan limits were lower saved F&F from a lot of the bad paper ,which has been dumped lately and will continue to be dumped on it . The system has not changed ,its still corrupt . You have to clean up a corrupt system first before you can trust it ,or count on it to function as it should .
it is absurd to only require 3 or 5% down on a 720K loan . The higher the loan amount ,the higher the risk, and the higher the down payment should be . What is wrong with all these morons .
. Leave F&F alone and let it go back to being a
conforming lender ,that is highly regulated .

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-16 12:49:02

“Democracy is the road to socialism.”

Karl Marx

Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-07-16 13:37:00

how do you kill capitalism
taxes,taxes and more taxes
Karl Marx again

 
Comment by pinch-a-penny
2008-07-16 13:49:51

I do not think that Marx had human nature in mind when he designed his perfect society.
To everyone according to his needs, and from everyone according to his abilities sound good in theory, very impractical in nature… After all, I simply need that 100′ fully crewed yatch… :-)

 
Comment by alta
2008-07-16 22:25:02

Unfortunately this road ends, when you enter socialism.

(lived there 25 years)

 
 
Comment by Lisa
2008-07-16 12:51:43

I listened to BB and Paulson yesterday….Paulson at one point admitted that the secondary mortgage market is basically shut down with the exception of Fannie & Freddie. High-priced coastal markets are f************.

Comment by sfv_hopeful
2008-07-16 13:07:58

What do the last 7 “*******” or so stand for? =)

Comment by Blue Skye
2008-07-16 13:40:31

“ugliest”

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2008-07-16 14:07:55

Lisa,

Right, and I think that’s why IndyPac froze accts. over 100k? Just a guess but they’d look awful stupid if they extended 100k + to you on a second, you TOOK the money and then deposited it in your savings account and THEN bailed on them!

So you know it’s bad when you can’t even “rob your own house”!

 
 
Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-07-16 13:38:59

collectables bubble ?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080716/people_nm/hendrix_guitar_dc
still too much $ out there

Comment by Gulfstream-fixer
2008-07-16 15:38:35

Unlike real estate, Jimi Hendrix’s guitars are different:

-The market is local…..

-They AREN’T making any more of them. :)

Comment by DinOR
2008-07-16 15:57:20

Gulfstream-fixer,

Funny! ( No doubt Paul Allen made the bid? ) I hear his “Music Experience” ( strange coincidence? ) is a total flop. My kids went and said it was really cool but basically devoid of people.

It saddens me to see these items being treated as “artifacts”. None of them will bring Jimi back, and as such I think he’d have much rather seen them in the hands of a deserving kid in a garage band than some rich ( and totally un-hip ) white dude.

I’m also willing to bet as an instrument it is in fact un-playable. Any e-f-f-o-r-t-s to restore it to a useable condition would only… “diminish it’s value”. Just freakin’ sad.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-16 16:17:39

i pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under Hendrix indivisible with liberty and justice for all…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_nO0F4ugss

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-16 13:42:44

Countrywide Emperor’s Club

“Through a program that provided loans on favorable terms to V.I.P. borrowers, the nation’s largest mortgage lender curried favor with politicians, government officials, and business partners who were in a position to influence policy, profits, or public opinion.”

Comment by ChrisO
2008-07-16 14:26:01

So, who was Angelo’s “Client No. 9″, anyway? :)

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-16 14:06:30

“We have now arrived at the point in this year-long credit crisis that the worst-case scenario, the one only seriously contemplated by gold bugs and supposedly paranoid financial survivalists, is becoming the actual scenario.”

http://www.financialpost.com/reports/credit-crunch/story.html?id=654629

Comment by wmbz
2008-07-16 14:53:22

Amazing what a clueless bunch of ‘policymakers’ we have and have had, lo these many years…

How did we ever get to this place?

Brian Bethune, chief U. S. economist at Global Insight, says the answer is simple. Policymakers have consistently underestimated the damage the U. S. housing downturn would do to the economy.

 
Comment by matt
2008-07-16 15:02:24

Not yet, time for one more pump and dump.

 
 
Comment by oskar
2008-07-16 14:27:54

Went and took out 2K from BofA today. No questions asked. However, I found it curious that this time the teller asked to see my driver’s license and she had me swipe it too. Shouldn’t my ATM card with pin number be enough? I don’t have to swipe my license when withdrawing cash from an ATM. Anyways, off to the next bank to get some cash and what other surprises are in store for me…

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-07-16 14:31:16

anything over 1 or 2 K and they commonly want further verification. At wells fargo anything over like $1K requires a manager come over and double check the teller’s work.

Comment by oskar
2008-07-16 14:46:24

Well, I had taken out 4K back in May when I went to europe and they didn’t care to see my license then. What changed in the meantime? (queue the facetious grin :)

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-07-16 15:15:55

i dunno.. maybe the teller in May had adequate senority to make the decision, the teller knew your face, or some manager was scoping the transaction out on camera or on another computer monitor..

my point is that transactions of even relatively small (to some people) amounts are often scrutinized in normal, everyday practice.

Walmart is not a bank, but they usually don’t even check ID for CC purchases unless it’s like Christmas when the thieves come out to play… poor security.

Try asking the banks about their security policies. The mystery will be solved in short order.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2008-07-16 15:02:22

http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/BearsLairHome

Sweden’s financial meltdown of 1991 involved the government guaranteeing the obligations of the entire Swedish banking system, and recapitalizing the major banks, with the sole major exception of Svenska Handelsbanken. The total cost of the rescue to Swedish taxpayers was around $10 billion, equivalent to about $1 trillion in the context of today’s US economy. The causes of the crisis would be familiar to most Americans today: misuse of off-balance sheet securitization vehicles to invest excessively in real estate and mortgage lending.

It is thus not impossible for the entire US banking system to implode. It didn’t happen in 1933 (though about a quarter of US banks failed) because US banks in the 1920s had been relatively conservative in their lending, with many banks requiring a 50% down payment for home mortgage loans, for example. Stock margin lending got way out of control in 1928-29, but relatively few banks were involved significantly in that. The main problem in 1932-33 was quite simply liquidity; the Fed failed to supply adequate reserves to the banking system, so crises of confidence in individual banks led to panic withdrawals of deposits that caused the banks themselves to fail.

This time around, the problem is the opposite. Whereas the Fed had been appropriately cautious in the late 1920s, so only in the area of stock margin lending did the banking system get out of control, this time around the Fed has been hopelessly profligate in monetary creation for over a decade. The initial result of this profligacy, the tech bubble of 1999-2000, caused only modest problems in the banking system through telecom losses. The more recent profligacy and the housing bubble it caused have had much more serious consequences, mirroring those in Sweden leading up to 1991. The additional loosening since September has distorted the financial system further, producing a commodity price bubble that itself seems likely to have substantial further adverse consequences

Comment by DinOR
2008-07-16 16:05:52

Carrie Ann,

Thanks so much for sharing that. It’s come up over the last few days and I really didn’t know all that much about it. Given the scale of their economy it sounded pretty serious. I bet they had a hearty yuck watching us head down a well trodden path thinking we invented it?!

Now all we need are some examples of Swedish EXCESS!

I’ll bet everyone in the fee-ooord had a ril’ nice new Evin-ruuude…

Yah?

 
Comment by alta
2008-07-16 22:44:28

I lived in Europe during that time and d.id not notice that there was a major banking problem in Sweden. I can only remember there was something in the news, but it did not have any impact on my life.

But what should I do with my saving, before the US banking system implodes ?
Buy Gold or Silver ? Keep Cash ? Put money into stock ? Foreign currencies ?

Any ideas ?

Thanks.

BTW, has anyone heard of Marc Faber ? I think he opens people in the US their eyes (as long as they listen to him).

 
 
Comment by oskar
2008-07-16 15:33:10

“‘Countrywide had an incredibly good relationship with Congress. It was not unusual for us to get a call saying, ‘A bill’s being introduced. It’s a little technical, and there are parts we don’t understand. Can you help educate us on this?’”

Quid pro quo. Welcome to America.

 
Comment by ouden mallon
2008-07-16 15:41:23

Somewhere in America today the “fat lady” is rehearsing for the big finale.

 
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