July 16, 2008

Pretty Thin Gruel In California

The Ventura County Star reports from California. “Last month’s Southern California homes sales, while the highest in 10 months, continued at their slowest pace in more than two decades, DataQuick reported today. It was the slowest June in the agency’s records, which date back to 1988. In Ventura County, there were 767 transactions in June, a 13.4 percent drop from 886 sales a year ago. The median was $420,000, down 27.8 percent from $582,000 a year ago.”

“About 41 percent of the Southern California homes that sold last month involved foreclosed properties, according to the report.”

The Union Tribune. “Prices in San Diego County slipped by yet another year-over-year record of 25.3 percent to a median $370,000. Sales in June were the second-lowest on record for the month.”

“Southern and inland neighborhoods recorded prices as much as 43.1 percent down in Logan Heights, compared with the first half of 2007.”

“‘We have multiple offers consistently,’” said Marc Carpenter, a San Diego real estate agent who sells bank-owned houses and condominiums. ‘Buyers are seeing properties that they watched sell two years ago for $650,000 and now they are priced at $400,000. To them, it’s a great value.’”

The North County Times. “The number of notices of default surpassed 1,100 for the third straight month while foreclosure sales, the final step, hovered around 600 for the fourth straight month, according to ForeclosureRadar. The numbers were close to foreclosure activity peaks set over the last couple of months for North County foreclosure activity.”

“Because notices of default typically precede bank-owned foreclosures by three to six months, the plateau of high numbers suggest that North County will continue to see more foreclosures throughout the year.”

“‘I would certainly sign on with the conclusion that this is not about to go away,’ said James Hamilton, an economics professor with UC San Diego. ‘I think every indication we have suggests that home prices will continue to fall, that as they do, that will increase the foreclosure rate, and I don’t see something on the horizon making this problem more manageable.’”

“Banks own about 3,100 of the 5,000 houses and condominiums now listed for sale in southwest Riverside County, according to the Multi-Regional MLS and Foreclosureradar. And roughly half of the houses selling recently have been foreclosures.”

“Builders are starting what they say is one of the most energy-efficient housing developments in Southern California, though its prospects are uncertain in what has become the worst real estate slump in a decade.”

“‘People think they can get a good deal on a foreclosure, but it doesn’t have solar power,’ said Tim McGinnis, president of Woodside Homes’ California subsidiary.”

The Orange County Register. “Four out of the five foreclosurer buyers interviewed by the Register paid less than their home’s previous owner - between 24 percent to 31 percent less. In those four cases, the previous buyers bought at the peak of the market, then lost their home to foreclosure. Savings for the new buyers ranged from $133,000 to $251,000.”

“If she hadn’t found a foreclosure to buy, single mom Lou Kane might still be a renter. She wanted to be in her own home before her 11-year-old son started middle school, so she began house hunting this past winter.”

“After getting outbid on six of the first 12 homes she wanted to buy, she decided to up the ante on the 13th, a two-level townhome in Fountain Valley with new floors, carpeting, windows, copper plumbing and fresh paint.”

“The bank listed it for $417,000, so she offered $425,000. She took possession in March. ‘I wanted to build equity (in a home),’ she said. ‘I knew it was a down market. No one really knows if it will go down further. No one has a crystal ball.’”

“Joe and Michelle Lawwill got a 3 bedroom 2 1/2 bathroom home with a pool in Anaheim Hills for $610,000 - nearly $200,000 less than the previous buyer had paid. But their new home also came with a lot of unexpected repairs after having a neglectful owner and then sitting vacant following foreclosure.”

“The lawn and plants died. Outdoor drains were plugged with dirt. Sprinkler heads lay broken. Lights and wiring had to be replaced. Bad patch jobs covered holes where speakers had been attached to walls. Electric sockets were plugged with paint.”

“After spending all his nights and weekends making repairs, Lawwill’s not sure he would buy another foreclosure. ‘I probably would spend a little bit more and get it from someone who cared about it,’ he said.”

The Press Enterprise. “Sales activity in Riverside and San Bernardino County continues to increase from 12 months ago, mostly from buyers seeking bargain-priced homes in some phase of foreclosure. That accounts for 41 percent of all resale transactions in Southern California, almost six times as much as last year.”

“The median price of a hold sold in Riverside County in June was $275,000 down 31.3 percent from where it was in June 2007.”

“In San Bernardino County the median price has fallen 34.2 percent in the last year to $240,000. In both Inland counties, the median price of an existing home is off about $150,000 since the peak of the housing market in late 2006.”

“The Los Angeles County Economic Development Corp….released its mid-year economic forecast for the rest of 2008 and first half of 2009. A little more than a year ago, Jack Kyser’s agency had anticipated a 10.7 percent year-over-year increase in taxable retail sales for 2007. Instead, the year saw a 3.1 percent drop, and now he foresees a 3.7 percent decline for 2008.”

“‘The overall environment changed dramatically in a lot of sectors,’ Kyser said. ‘It will be pretty thin gruel,’ according to the report.”

“Murrieta officials will place nearly a half-million dollars worth of liens on properties to cover delinquent payments for trash service. The dollar amount is double the prior year’s and coincides with a rise in foreclosed properties.”

“Residents said it is silly that empty homes still have trash cans in their driveways.”

“‘No backyard, no front lawn but they have two trash cans just sitting there,’ said David Johnson, as he looked over his fence into his neighbor’s yard. ‘They left two months ago so I don’t see why they have to pay for trash pick-up. Ain’t no trash there. Just weeds.’”

The San Bernardino Sun. “People driving past new houses often see large signs offering incentives to get them to come in and take a look. The most recent one - ‘Trade-ins welcome.’ Nick Ondatje, a Realtor with Park Place GMAC Real Estate, talked about why new home builders want to work with this incentive.”

“‘As soon as the prices went sky high in 2002-04, we saw these phenomenally historical rises in home value,’ Ondatje said. ‘People had the perception that they had all this equity, so they started touching that money and using it to buy toys. Now the position they find themselves in is they owe $400,000 on their house and they can only sell it for $200,000. The only way that will come into play with the new homes and making a move into that is a lot of the new homes are offering a variety of different incentives to sell their property.’”

The Monterey County Herald. “This time it’s not just a housing tract that’s been waylaid by free-falling home values and credit woes. It’s an entire planned community.”

“Recently, developers for the much-ballyhooed East Garrison project notified Monterey County officials that they planned to hold off on building the first phase of homes and other buildings until the housing market starts to rebound.”

“Keith McCoy of Urban Community Partners said the developers have submitted a formal report to the county, which he said reflects a drop of more than 25 percent in the local housing market, including a ‘drastic’ reduction in the number of homes being sold on the Central Coast, he said.”

“‘We slowed things down a little in the spring and we were hoping things would come back a bit, but they didn’t,’ McCoy said.”

“Supervisor Dave Potter called the delay a disappointment, but not necessarily a surprise. ‘I had hoped the project, because of its unique nature, would survive (the downturn),’ Potter said while acknowledging the difficulty in competing with the ‘glut’ of housing on the market.”

Bay Area Newsgroup. “The housing crisis. A bank failure. Oil shocks. The credit crunch. A job slump. The mortgage meltdown. Feeble auto sales. The stock market slide. A sour economic outlook was delivered to Congress on Tuesday.”

“‘Everything seems to be going haywire and nobody knows what to make of it,’ said Jon Haveman, a partner with Beacon Economics, which tracks regional economies in California.”

“‘We’re in a terrible state of uncertainty,’ said Eugene Miller, chairman of a real estate law firm with offices in Walnut Creek. ‘People have little confidence in the future. Right now, we are in the deer-in-the-headlights phase of the economic cycle.’”

“Marsha Cabral, a Fremont-based residential agent, blames bad publicity for some of the problems. ‘The news media is not doing the housing industry a lot of good,’ Cabral said. ‘Houses are selling. But buyers are more cautious than they should be.’”

The Pasadena Star News. “IndyMac customers have voiced concerns about the safety of their money in the wake of Friday’s takeover of the Pasadena-based mortgage lender by federal regulators. People want to be clear on which funds are insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. - and which are not.”

“‘I’m scared,’ said Maxine DeBruce, 73, of Duarte. ‘That’s my life savings. I just put all of my eggs into one basket, which I’ve been told never to do. I had to do a lot of repairs on my house. I put in a new roof and a new ceiling.’”

“DeBruce said she purchased three certificates of deposit through IndyMac - one for her and her daughter, another for her and her son and a third that lists all three as holders Debruce may be in luck.”

“‘My first thought was that my life is over,’ she said. ‘What in the world would I do at my age?’”




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Comment by crisrose
2008-07-16 16:06:05

The bank listed it for $417,000, so she offered $425,000. She took possession in March. ‘I wanted to build equity (in a home),’ she said. ‘I knew it was a down market. No one really knows if it will go down further. No one has a crystal ball.’”

I have a crystal ball - your house WILL go down further - to about $300,000 - if you’re lucky.

Comment by bluprint
2008-07-16 16:13:32

That’s easy to fix, she can just buy the next one for $450k, you know, to build more equity.

 
Comment by GH
2008-07-16 16:21:44

I don’t need a crystal ball. I have common sense and math. Houses are still WAY overpriced. When prices hit 120x rents it is time to buy. At 417K I doubt the home is in Mission Viejo, so rent would likely be in the $1700 - $2000 range putting the home value at …

About $200K - 250K, which crosschecks with other math like affordability etc. (I AM being nice!)

Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-16 16:25:06

All I have is one of those crummy Chinese crystal balls…

It only tells events a couple weeks in advance.

Comment by Big V
2008-07-16 16:39:55

And it doesn’t meet international standards for lead content.

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Comment by emcee
2008-07-16 16:58:00

And they cost nearly double what they cost 6 months ago!

 
Comment by Big V
2008-07-16 17:32:01

And on top of that, I now have to listen to its predictions in French and Spanish before I can hear them in English.

 
Comment by Neil
2008-07-16 17:52:08

Mine speaks in German. Its sort of appropriate for what is about to happen…

 
Comment by jb
2008-07-16 17:53:31

Unfortunately, one cannot purchase them with dollars anymore, this useless currency is no longer accepted in China

 
 
Comment by Skroodle
2008-07-16 21:21:42

Damn, how do you walk aladinsane?

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-17 06:18:03

I always take the first step, using my left leg.

That’s my secret…

 
 
 
Comment by AF
2008-07-17 10:43:22

I’m a bit new here, and I don’t really understand the 120x rent rule. I’ve seen numbers from 100-200x thrown around in numerous topics.

It seems to me that 120x is a bit too low. Considering one can obtain 250k mortgage at 7% for around 1600 dollars, why would anyone ever rent? Sure there are taxes and insurance and maintanence, but even at 500/mo the payments would rougly be equal. Why woudl anyone rent in this case?

Just trying to get an understanding.

 
 
Comment by Hey Boo Boo
2008-07-16 17:21:38

Why would anyone offer to pay more than the bank listing? We are in buyers market, right?

Comment by are they crazy
2008-07-16 18:07:58

Over $400K for a townhouse - what is wrong with people. How could anyone think that’s a deal when there are so many houses to choose from if you insist on catching knives.

 
 
Comment by mrincomestream
2008-07-16 18:28:59

300k ???…LOL, you are being generous my friend…try 90

Comment by bob carpenter
2008-07-16 21:08:53

My question is, how does a single mother afford a 420k house? What banks are still giving out these ridiculous loans. She must have one hell of a job.

 
 
Comment by jbunniii
2008-07-17 17:07:56

$300k is still a LOT of money - more than the typical American could hope to pay off in his lifetime while still managing to save enough for retirement. A low-end crapshack in Orange County will very likely sell for far less than $300k by the time this market hits bottom.

 
 
Comment by sf jack
2008-07-16 16:07:42

“In Ventura County, there were 767 transactions in June, a 13.4 percent drop from 886 sales a year ago. The median was $420,000, down 27.8 percent from $582,000 a year ago.”

*****

IIRC, three years ago on the HBB, some Ventura County residents said they would have some immunity from price declines.

As for the future, I say:

“Buy now and be priced in forever!”

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-07-16 16:17:05

Oh yeah, they were pretty cocky weren’t they? Then they got slapped down sooner than LA. People from Santa Barbara were the same, then it fell harder than most of the state early on. Funny how these individual areas broke down. A different shade of shame in every corner of the state.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-07-16 16:24:48

582 - 420 = $162,000 in a year.
Lately, owning a home in Ventura County is like paying a top architect to just sit on his butt and drink beer all year long.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-07-16 16:44:44

Actually a tad worse. Prices peaked almost 2 years ago. That’s a lota beer!

Comment by jb
2008-07-16 17:57:20

I rent in Newbury Park - still million dollar houses everywhere.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-07-16 18:26:00

Worry not. Although price movement is glacier-slow it is equally irresistible.

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2008-07-16 18:36:46

Dos Vientos must be the area in Newbury Park, you are alluding to ($M homes). I use to live (owned an oversized McMansion)in one of those upscale PUD’s. Hated it.
I’m renting in Thousand Oaks awaiting the housing market. Climate stinks compared to the costal climate of Newbury Park and Moorpark (Ventura County, Ca.).

 
Comment by cactus
2008-07-16 20:33:23

“I’m renting in Thousand Oaks awaiting the housing market. Climate stinks compared to the costal climate of Newbury Park and Moorpark (Ventura County, Ca.).”

I used to live there in Moorpark and was thinking of returning but rents are way high like 2500 and up.
I may have a job offer in Oct in NP ? We’ll see ?

Westlake Village is even hotter and Agoura hotter still.

and Phoenix were I live now is the hottest yet !!

 
Comment by cactus
2008-07-16 20:42:57

“I rent in Newbury Park - still million dollar houses everywhere.”

its the new Santa Barbara don’t you know everyone wants to live there and once you sell you can never return, you get priced out ;-)

boy I still have people tell me that when I went back for a visit in July. whatever……..

 
Comment by JohnF
2008-07-16 21:17:21

I rent in TO, prices are still stubbornly high, most listings are over $300/ft. There are a fair number of beaters or half done flips and they sit for months, even with price reductions.

It seems to be a standoff for the time being since people are still buying, albeit with many fewer transactions than 1-2 years ago, at anything slightly below the $300/ft listings. Anything around $250-$275/ft goes pending in a couple weeks. Very depressing…..

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2008-07-17 04:20:04

Moorpark has great weather. IIRC, we used the AC maybe 1-2 weeks all summer.The down side imo is the town is layed out sloppy, and it turned yuppie. We bought new in Mountain Meadows in 1984.

Then we moved to another McMansion (supersized) in Wood Ranch, then Dos Vientos (The end of the road for HOA’s for us). Thousand Oaks is getting flooded with illegals. We are thinking of leaving Ventura County. The quality of life is slipping.

 
Comment by cactus
2008-07-17 06:50:44

“Moorpark has great weather”

yes but some people don’t like the wind I did though.

Simi and Moorpark tend to have more wind than TO

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2008-07-17 09:11:12

Cactus-
Wood Ranch is way too windy. Our patio furniture would go flying. No thanks,I get my exercise on the treadmill at 5AM.
From my experience, Simi was way more windy. Even with our views, and ideal lot in Wood Ranch, with all the two-story homes, our yards were fish bowls.

Downtown TO is looking like Van Nuys West these days. I liked TO back in 90’s. TO doesn’t cool off until the middle of the night.

BTW, some of the one-story neighborhoods on Peach Hill are quite nice. Modest size with nice private yards. The HOA’s are the deal breaker for us. Never again, and this time I mean it!
Some of the Peach Hill rentals I looked at, I looked up, and they were purchased in the 80’s by the current owner. I’d be willing to pay $1,500 for an average one-story.

Newbury Park was a charming area. The only good thing about Dos Vientos is the upgraded neighborhood shopping centers. Other than that, it ruined the area imo.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Big V
2008-07-16 16:29:54

That’s right, SFJack. Might as well dust off your backpack, for Marin’s house prices are no more immune than Ventura’s. It’s fun to watch snobby people get their commupance, ain’t it?

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-07-16 16:56:21

It’s my favorite hobby!

Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-16 17:07:52

Marin’s excrement is odorless, or so they think.

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Comment by lakewashington
2008-07-16 20:19:30

Hmmmm….I thought everyone in Marin was chilling and kicking back.

“Marin road rage incident ends with Mace blast”

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/16/BAG611QI7O.DTL&tsp=1

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Mormon_Tea
2008-07-16 16:08:35

It is my theory about the increasing number of NOD’s hitting a point soon where many major banks are insolvent; we are already there.

 
Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2008-07-16 16:18:04

‘People have little confidence in the future. Right now, we are in the deer-in-the-headlights phase of the economic cycle.’”

“Deer-in-the-headlights”, huh? Wait until we’re firmly into the Joshua-tree-in-the-anus phase of the economic cycle. That’s when the fun begins.

Comment by oskar
2008-07-16 16:28:17

“Wait until we’re firmly into the Joshua-tree-in-the-anus phase of the economic cycle.”

That would be the bottom of the cycle I presume. 6 o’clock never looked so ominous.

 
Comment by auger-inn
2008-07-16 17:32:32

I was thinking that “deer in the radiator” would come after the “deer in the headlight” phase.

Comment by packman
2008-07-16 18:41:00

OK - *that* on really made me laugh!

 
 
Comment by mrincomestream
2008-07-16 18:35:06

Have you been watching the Fed Chairman squirm in these past couple of days his facial expressions and body language is very telling…go to CSPAN and check out the video…they have good close up shots…see if you can catch his expression when the Senator asks if we are 6 to 12 months away from the bottom….all I can say is priceless…he sidestepped the question but his body betrayed him…which leads me to ask what comes after the Joshua Tree Treatment….I think the Joshua Tree Treatment will be preferred based on his reactions.

Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2008-07-16 21:23:42

After the “treatment” comes the extraction, and yes, it’s a whole lot worse!

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2008-07-16 16:20:21

‘That’s my life savings. I just put all of my eggs into one basket, which I’ve been told never to do.’

Once again, Californians are competing with Florida in the HBB hall of fools. What’s that saying about what you see when the tide goes out?

Comment by CT-Renter
2008-07-16 16:34:05

“so charge it up, charge it up
aint got no cash today
and charge it up, charge it up
platic’s the american way
and charge it up, charge it up
and got no cash today
and charge it up, charge it up
plastic’s the american way

and it gets so rough…

when my life goes down the drain
and i got no one left to blame
and i’ll always have this pain
sick of playin this old game ”

Thought you might like the lyrics from the band BALLYHOO! from their song “Bad Credit” If you’re into the surfer/reggae stuff, Ballyhoo is the place to look.

Anyway, thanks for all of your responses in the Bits Bucket this morning to my question about keeping all my loot in Vanguard’s money market fund. Makes me feel normal.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-07-16 16:36:05

‘I just put all of my eggs into one basket’

That sayings probably only been around since, oh, colonial times.

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2008-07-16 17:47:24

Yeah, but while they were placing the eggs in the basket…IndyMac cut the head of the hen & the mongrel wall street dogs ate the rooster! ;-)

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-16 18:10:36

eggscrement

 
 
 
 
Comment by oskar
2008-07-16 16:35:35

I think she got confused with the childhood saying of “put all your easter eggs into one basket”. What other nuggets of life wisdom has she forgotten to do? I have a feeling this isn’t the last time we’ll hear about maxine in the news.

Comment by pismoclam
2008-07-16 21:34:28

They’re raining on our parade. No more ‘naked’ shorting on certain financials.Still can buy Puts however. Big money last year buying puts on DSL, WaMu, WD. Should have also done on Lehman. hehehehehehe

 
 
Comment by Wickedheart
2008-07-16 19:07:43

You get to see who’s been swimming naked. No doubt it’s people you’d rather not see naked.

 
 
Comment by Vulture Vladi
2008-07-16 16:30:49

California RE prices are insane even for the bank foreclosed houses. And making multiple bids on a foreclosure, is beyond insanity (although makes the agents real happy)

Comment by aNYCdj
2008-07-16 20:08:34

Anyone thought the bids might be downward?

395K 393K 387K 345K lowball$299K

 
 
Comment by Big V
2008-07-16 16:34:22

When do you guys think the big one will hit? Right after house prices start to come back up a bit? Like 2012-2014. That’s one of the biggest reasons why I don’t want to stay in the Bay Area.

Comment by Magic Kat
2008-07-16 17:02:18

My crystal ball (authentic sedona model) says 5+ earthquake for east bay SF on 8-7-08. Have shoes next to bed. Carry work gloves where ever you go.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2008-07-16 16:41:27

‘A little more than a year ago, Jack Kyser’s agency had anticipated a 10.7 percent year-over-year increase in taxable retail sales for 2007. Instead, the year saw a 3.1 percent drop, and now he foresees a 3.7 percent decline for 2008′

Cheer up Jack, you were only off by 15%. That’s why you make the big bucks.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-16 16:55:22

Jack-off by 15%?

Comment by Not Mssing It
2008-07-16 17:09:22

Ben, clean up in aisle 2008-07-16 16:55:22 please

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-07-16 18:37:23

Not Missing It,

LOL

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Comment by SD Renter-George
2008-07-16 17:39:05

Alad, that is funny. No need to clean that up. Jack was off!

 
Comment by aqius
2008-07-17 07:04:01

heh heh

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-07-16 18:07:16

“‘The overall environment changed dramatically in a lot of sectors,’ Kyser said. ‘It will be pretty thin gruel,’ according to the report.”

Thin gruel is more than he deserves. With economic forecasts like that, his economic environment should change.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-16 18:12:27

Kyser’s been an ewrongomist more often than not…

 
 
Comment by cactus
2008-07-16 20:36:31

“Cheer up Jack, you were only off by 15%. That’s why you make the big bucks.”

Now that made me laugh

 
 
Comment by Stanley
2008-07-16 17:07:04

“‘Everything seems to be going haywire and nobody knows what to make of it,’ said Jon Haveman, a partner with Beacon Economics, which tracks regional economies in California.”

quite simple actually, there was too much spending and too much debt, both consumer and goverment, now is the time to pay it back.

“‘We’re in a terrible state of uncertainty,’ said Eugene Miller, chairman of a real estate law firm with offices in Walnut Creek.

seems fairly certain there is a long way to go. there is lots of debt to get defaulted on, and a lot of houses priced higher then anyone can afford to pay. only uncertainty is how long the lenders and homeowners can afford to hold on to their dream-on asking prices.

‘People have little confidence in the future. Right now, we are in the deer-in-the-headlights phase of the economic cycle.’”

fairly certain we are on the way down

 
Comment by sfbayqt
2008-07-16 17:39:22

“If she hadn’t found a foreclosure to buy, single mom Lou Kane might still be a renter. She wanted to be in her own home before her 11-year-old son started middle school, so she began house hunting this past winter.”

“After getting outbid on six of the first 12 homes she wanted to buy, she decided to up the ante on the 13th, a two-level townhome in Fountain Valley with new floors, carpeting, windows, copper plumbing and fresh paint.”

“The bank listed it for $417,000, so she offered $425,000.

Uh huh….and what kind of loan did she get? (of course, it doesn’t say so in the article.) Can I just slap her now? Can I?

BayQT~

Comment by Big V
2008-07-16 17:45:04

jumbo

Comment by HARM
2008-07-16 18:24:51

Technically, (even assuming she got 100% financing –increasingly rare these days), $425k isn’t a jumbo anymore. CONgress raised the CLL ceiling for the (on-the-brink of-insolvent) GSEs to $729k.

That sucker’s a “standard”.

 
 
Comment by Michael Emmel
2008-07-16 18:01:05

Nothing personal but a single mom with a 11 year old son has to make one hell of a salary to afford a $425,000 loan. Thats like 140k a year at 3x income.

Her comment did not come off as coming from someone in this sort of income bracket.

My guess is that mom and dad, inheritance or some other source of income was involved in the transaction. I think that a lot of the FB’s buying right now are buying because of some sort of one time windfall.

Although its possible to find I suspect 50% of current home purchases involve some sort of windfall.

Comment by SDGreg
2008-07-16 22:55:03

“Although its possible to find I suspect 50% of current home purchases involve some sort of windfall.”

You might be right. I have the same sorts of questions about some of the purchasers now that I had about purchasers at the peak of the bubble. We now know how those bubble purchases were being done. Some of the current purchases don’t seem to add up. How it’s being done now may be as you suggest.

 
 
 
Comment by Brian in Chicago
2008-07-16 17:53:45

“‘People think they can get a good deal on a foreclosure, but it doesn’t have solar power,’ said Tim McGinnis, president of Woodside Homes’ California subsidiary.”

Thankfully Mr. McGinnis is working on the solution to his non-sequitur - foreclosures with solar power.

 
Comment by need 2 leave ca
2008-07-16 18:02:54

Houses are selling. But buyers are more cautious than they should be.’”

Now I already have 1 house that I bought to live in and no plans to move. Not speculating on others houses at this point. How am I being too cautious?

Comment by HARM
2008-07-16 18:31:37

“Not speculating on others houses at this point.”

That alone pegs you as anti-Uh-merikan. Careful… keep it up and you might find yourself rendered to an undisclosed “friendly” nation for a little “questioning”.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-16 18:37:31

Which of us here dares naysay The American Dream?

Walk the plank, landlubbers

 
Comment by aqius
2008-07-17 08:18:44

diesel therapy

 
 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-07-16 18:21:53

“Marsha Cabral, a Fremont-based residential agent, blames bad publicity for some of the problems. ‘The news media is not doing the housing industry a lot of good,’ Cabral said. ‘Houses are selling. But buyers are more cautious than they should be.’”

Screw you, you sniveling, whining b*tch. Your industry industry isn’t doing anyone that comes in contact with it much good. The media coverage it’s getting is still far better than deserve or warranted. It’s a three alarm fire, but you want a “house warming party” caption on it instead? Buyers still aren’t nearly cautious enough.

Comment by sfbayqt
2008-07-16 22:34:04

What he said. :-)

BayQT~

 
Comment by aqius
2008-07-17 08:21:32

sd greg

that comment should be sent to every real estate office in the world . . .

with a joshua tree letterhead so there is no mistake as to the source!

well done, sir.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-07-16 18:29:07

dude, where’s my country?

 
Comment by mrincomestream
2008-07-16 18:39:34

“‘…People think they can get a good deal on a foreclosure, but it doesn’t have solar power,’ said Tim McGinnis, president of Woodside Homes’ California subsidiary…”

That’s it sparky…you tell’em! At least they won’t have to pay an electric bill if they become priced in forever…what a bargain…

 
Comment by calex
2008-07-16 18:44:56

“‘We have multiple offers consistently,’” said Marc Carpenter, a San Diego real estate agent who sells bank-owned houses and condominiums. ‘Buyers are seeing properties that they watched sell two years ago for $650,000 and now they are priced at $400,000. To them, it’s a great value.’

Then I knocked realtard Marc Carpenter over the head with a hammer and he said,
“Half off way overpriced is still overpriced. These people are fricking idiots. But look at me, I have a beamer and my wife opened a doggy day spa.”

 
Comment by mrincomestream
2008-07-16 18:46:16

“…Joe and Michelle Lawwill got a 3 bedroom 2 1/2 bathroom home with a pool in Anaheim Hills for $610,000 - nearly $200,000 less than the previous buyer had paid. But their new home also came with a lot of unexpected repairs after having a neglectful owner and then sitting vacant following foreclosure.”

“The lawn and plants died. Outdoor drains were plugged with dirt. Sprinkler heads lay broken. Lights and wiring had to be replaced. Bad patch jobs covered holes where speakers had been attached to walls. Electric sockets were plugged with paint.”

“After spending all his nights and weekends making repairs, Lawwill’s not sure he would buy another foreclosure. ‘I probably would spend a little bit more and get it from someone who cared about it,’ he said…”

WTF…he may have maybe, maybe 5k worth of cosmetic work…and he’s complaining…LMAO…Americans are in for a rude friggin awakening…plus that 5k worth of work is the least of his problems…wait until he finds out he paid at least 200 to 250k too much…

 
Comment by mrincomestream
2008-07-16 18:52:52

“…Marsha Cabral, a Fremont-based residential agent, blames bad publicity for some of the problems. ‘The news media is not doing the housing industry a lot of good,’ Cabral said. ‘Houses are selling. But buyers are more cautious than they should be…’”

No Marsha…not quite, I still see the pompoms all over the place…the fact that you are able to close any at all shows folks are not being as cautious as they should be….

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-07-16 19:55:53

Only an agent would think it is her place to tell others how cautious or not cautious they should be with their money.

If these agents really think buying right now is such a can’t miss proposition then 99% of the few houses that are selling should be sold to agents.

Anyone want to offer a guess as to how many of these agents are themselves, buying right now?

 
 
Comment by need 2 leave ca
2008-07-16 18:54:15

good one on my comment. I meant I never have been, and no plans to be a speculator.

 
Comment by buyer beware
2008-07-16 18:59:21

“my life savings are gone” - well, don’t worry, wait for a bailout plan for stupid savers who don’t know about FDIC limits. We pay for mortgate borrowers who don’t read english, we pay for house owners who don’t know that the bank own the house, we should pay for stupid savers who don’t understand what “100k limit” means. As long as we are stupid enough to elect those who bail out stupids.

 
Comment by Michael Goode
2008-07-16 19:03:53

“All I want is foreclosures with frickin’ solar panels on their roofs! Is that too much to ask?!”

Comment by Michael Goode
2008-07-16 19:07:25

Darn thing sucked up the end of my comment: [/Dr Evil]

Comment by Neil
2008-07-16 19:35:16

ROTFL.

I want one with a solar dog house to keep my mini-me. ;)

Got Popcorn?
Neil

 
 
 
Comment by Big V
2008-07-16 19:25:29

I’m so excited! I just saw 2 guys in identical suits waking out of the $880k house for sale down the street. They went to meet a lady across the street, who was looking in the trunk of her car. One guy had a device in hand, like a Blackberry or something. Do you think they are foreclosing? I hope so. I really want the locals around here to start seeing this crappy area for what it really is.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-07-16 19:58:37

“wearing identical suits”

They sound too dressed up for a mundane foreclosure - maybe it’s something juicier - like fraud.

Comment by Big V
2008-07-16 21:22:16

Hmmmmmm… I like the sound of that. Now kids, you stay away from that fraud house when you go out trick-or-treating this year. The neighborhood may never be the same!

Comment by aqius
2008-07-17 08:25:52

they were LDS missionaries, offering a sympathetic shoulder to the FB. the blackberry keeps ‘em on a short lease to the mothership.

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Comment by pismoclam
2008-07-17 14:31:35

How about this? They are Jehovah Witnesses. HUH?? Slam dunk Big V. hehehehehehehe

 
 
 
Comment by SD to LV back to SD
2008-07-16 20:08:32

“If she hadn’t found a foreclosure to buy, single mom Lou Kane might still be a renter. She wanted to be in her own home before her 11-year-old son started middle school, so she began house hunting this past winter.”

Good for you Lou! A keen intelligent woman such as yourself should not have to go through the humiliation and degredation of having to rent. Now that you have bought a part of the American Dream, you’re hip, you’re sophisticated, you’re a real class act, you’re a homeowner, you’re somebody! People look up to you now, no more stupid renting for you. Keep that head up high Lou you deserve it!

/sarcasm off

“The bank listed it for $417,000, so she offered $425,000. She took possession in March. ‘I wanted to build equity (in a home),’ she said. ‘I knew it was a down market. No one really knows if it will go down further. No one has a crystal ball.’” said the knifecatcher.

Yes Lou keep that head up high, so then you won’t see a big three branched(one for each hole nostrils and ears excluded) joshua tree being rammed right up your ass, you fucking ignorant shit for brains! That is the only way people will look up to her, being impaled on a Joshua Tree. Offering more than what the bank is asking for a foreclosure. What a moron!

Comment by Adam in SD
2008-07-16 23:01:43

I have some friends that are looking to buy. They even put in a few offers. They have been out bid every single time. The winning bidder is usually around 5% ABOVE asking price. WTF is wrong with people? For the life of me, I can’t think of a single reason why anyone would bid ABOVE asking in this market.

/On another note, I’m trying to talk my friend into waiting at least another 6 months.

 
 
Comment by tarred and feathered
2008-07-16 22:13:43

A friend of mine has been looking at foreclosures in Oxnard. She saw one with no cupboards ,no toilet and torn carpet the wanted over $250,000.

Comment by Karen
2008-07-17 10:48:22

We saw a bank owned house in Orangevale. It was a dump. And had several rooms that were added with a permit. It looked like it was built or updated in the 70s. It was dark, drab, and right across the street from a high school football field. They were asking $299k, and I saw recently that it sold for $290k. You can get nicer homes for much less in surrounding areas.

I don’t get it.

 
 
Comment by Karen
2008-07-16 23:47:47

I have an idea for IndyMac and all the future banks that are going to go under: instead of letting customers with a lot of ininsured money suffer huge losses, they can give them a foreclosed home!

 
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