July 24, 2008

Sellers Have Taken A Bite Out Of The Reality Sandwich

The Jackson Hole Daily reports from Wyoming. “The market for real estate less than $1 million is favoring buyers for the first time in months, one broker said this week. David Viehman reports that the overall market ‘has been sluggish at best,’ with sales down 43 percent, dollar volume down 46 percent and average overall sale prices down 3.5 percent compared with the same time last year.”

“The median home price, which has experienced drastic increases in recent years, grew less than 2 percent to $1.2 million. It was $1.18 million this time last year and $920,000 in 2006.”

“Viehman said many properties were overpriced as much as 30 percent. Recent price reductions are a market correction, he said. In the under $1 million market, which Viehman calls the ‘locals segment,’ sales for the year are down 60 percent and properties under contract are down 85 percent. That’s coupled with inventory levels that are up 140 percent.”

“Viehman said 121 properties, or 21 percent of listings, had reduced asking prices between June 1 and July 15. ‘This is unprecedented for Jackson Hole,’ Viehman wrote. ‘Don’t expect to find below-market value, though.’”

The New West Network from Montana. “According to one developer’s survey, almost 200 condos have entered the Missoula market over the past 18 months. Yet the only sizeable project to sell fast has been the sold-out Wilma Theater building, which had prices as low as $88,000. Small condos in the $150,000-range and larger units priced above $250,000, on the other hand, have lingered.”

“And more are coming onto the market. The 44-unit Mullan Heights condominium overlooking the Clark Fork River has only just come on sale - with units priced from about $180,000 to about $325,000.”

“It’s hard for any development to escape the overarching housing downturn. All sellers said they’ve encountered prospective buyers who said they would love to get into a condo - if only they could sell their house. Others also complained about over-skittish lenders. Yet no developer wants to be the first to admit - publicly - the hard lesson that his or her particular building is overpriced or ahead of its time.”

“One builder said, ‘If I would have seen what was coming two years ago, I would not have built that building.’”

The Idaho Statesman. “The latest sales statistics compiled by the Intermountain MLS show median prices of homes sold fell almost everywhere in the Valley between January and June, including neighborhoods new and old, rich ones and poor.”

“‘Right now most of the subdivisions in the Treasure Valley are really, really struggling. And we have traumatized consumers who we have to convince to get into the market,’ said Mike Pennington, residential specialist in Boise.”

“‘People are looking for bargains no matter what the area,’ Pennington said. ‘All price ranges are being compressed because after a 26-month downturn, sellers have finally taken a bite out (of) the reality sandwich, and they’re lowering their price.’”

The Oregonian. “When South Waterfront started five years ago, skeptics wondered whether Portland had enough people interested in the condo life to support a batch of 300-foot tall towers.”

“At first, Williams & Dame Development and its partner found plenty of willing buyers. Their first project, the Meriwether, averaged about 20 sales a month and sold out in 2006 twice as fast as developers expected. Buyers buzzed for the second tower, the John Ross…spurring developers to speed up plans for their third and fourth towers.”

“Then the condo market deflated. Seventy-seven people asked to get out of their John Ross purchase. Since last fall, the developers have added just 12 new sales for a total of 182, still below the 2005 rush of pre-sales. Since last June, 11 of South Waterfront’s 481 buyers have defaulted on their mortgages”

“‘It started out like a house on fire,’ said Irving Levin, who runs a Beaverton finance company and invested in South Waterfront land holdings controlled by Williams & Dame’s principals. ‘Then the curtain came down in the condo market in general. Like a lot of developers, they were stuck with a lot of inventory.’”

“Jeremy Stoddart, who owned mortgage company Source One Financial, paid $1 million for a 2,300-square-foot Meriwether condo in May 2006. Stoddart, who did not return calls for comment, put his condo on the market last August as the mortgage market went haywire nationwide.”

“He asked for $1.2 million, then lowered it to $925,000, 13 percent less than he paid two years ago. In January, Stoddart defaulted on his condo.”

“At a South Waterfront election forum earlier this year, someone asked then mayoral candidate Sam Adams whether Portland had enough money to live up to its South Waterfront promises. Adams response: ‘The short answer is no.’”

“Developer Tony Marnella saw the slowdown in housing coming but had no idea how bad it would get. He opened Volare at Eagle’s Nest, a 115-lot development in Happy Valley just as customers and creditors were pulling back. ‘We opened knowing full well there would probably be a slowdown in the market,’ he said. ‘What we did not anticipate is that the market would come to a complete halt.’”

“Since April, Marnella and four companies he controlled have filed for bankruptcy protection, all related to Volare. According to Marnella, as the situation worsened, he approached his banks.”

“‘I wasn’t asking for debts to be forgiven,’ he said. ‘My goal was to get the credit line extended. I tried to explain that the market had ground to a halt but that I thought it would come back. I was not, and am not, trying to avoid any debts. But the banks would not talk to me.’”

“The result, he said, was bankruptcy protection. ‘It was the last card I had to play,’ he said. ‘I had no choice.’”

“Washington mortgage regulators announced Wednesday they intend to revoke the license of Paramount Equity Mortgage, a Roseville, Calif., firm that has blanketed Northwest radio stations with commercials promising cheap and easy mortgages.”

“Paramount made more than 1,700 mortgage loans to Washington borrowers in 2007, collecting more than $8.7 million in fees.”

“‘Paramount failed to make proper disclosures in almost every loan we reviewed,” said Deb Bortner, director of consumer services for the finance department.”

The Seattle PI from Washington. “IndyMac Federal Bank, which was taken over by the federal government two weeks ago, is laying off as many as 65 employees in its Washington state mortgage operations, a spokesman said.”

“IndyMac’s operations in Washington had opened in just the last year. ‘A year ago we had nothing in Washington,’ said Evan Wagner, a spokesman for IndyMac. ‘We opened them up in the past year to take advantage of the troubles other companies were going through, and ultimately we fell into the same kind of trouble.’”

From KIMA TV in Washington. “It’s a safari unlike any you’ve seen before– it’s in your neighborhoods. More than 40 people took a bus tour of foreclosed homes around the Tri-Cities Saturday.”

“‘We’ve got a lot of eager buyers on that bus!’ said mortgage planner Dana Mundy, who helped organize and guide the tour.”

“‘Foreclosure tourist,’ Julie Molvik, agreed that buying foreclosed real estate is a creative way to turn a profit. ‘We were looking for something that we could invest in, or maybe something we could fix up and maybe something we could rent out or resell, flip.’”

The Daily News from Washington. “For years, Woodland’s real estate market has been superhot, fueled by home buyers seeking more value than they could get in the Portland metro area. But troubles like Jim Groth’s are a sign that even the hottest real estate in Cowlitz County is feeling the effects of a nationwide housing slump.”

“Groth planned to offer million-dollar homes in an upscale development along the Lewis River in Woodland. ‘Then the market shifted,’ said Groth, a builder.”

“As a result, he’s abandoned plans for the $1 million homes, and he’s taking $200,000 less for some houses in River’s Mist that could have fetched $500,000 two years ago. And he’s stopped building new houses altogether while he sells off his unsold inventory of eight homes in River’s Mist.”

“‘It’s a beautiful development,’ Groth said, but he said he can’t continue losing money in the cooling market.”

“Prices are falling, and city officials say 50 percent fewer homes are expected to be built this year than last year. And 2007 saw a 50 percent decline from 2006, said Bob Jones, who issues building permits for the city of Woodland.”

“‘It’s dead,’ he said of the housing market. ‘But it’s trying.’”

“A slower market is translating to lower home prices. According to the listing service, the median prices fell from $304,000 in June 2007 to $237,5000 last month.”

“Gary Gonder, a broker in Woodland, said part of the problem with the current market is when people price their houses above the current market value. It’s a trend becoming too common and has prompted Gonder to turn down some listings.”

“‘There’s a lot of houses on the market that are overpriced,’ he said. ‘If it’s been on the market more than 30 days, I tell people it’s overpriced.’”

“It’s becoming common for people to sell their homes for less than they owe on it and working with banks to forgive the difference, Gonder said.”

“‘I’m working with one right now that there’s like a $30,000 discrepency,’ Gonder said. ‘And it’s simply because what these people have done is they’re chasing the market down. They originally put the house for sale at $335,000, and it should have been $300,000. Now it’s for sale at $249,000.’”

“Gonder said the Woodland market isn’t dead - but people need to understand they’ve got to price houses to sell.’

“I’t’s O.K. if you have to sell it at today’s market (price) because you get to buy at today’s market” prices, he said. “You can get more house for your money than you’ve ever been able to. … Once the market takes another slight correction, these houses are going to be worth a lot more,’ said Gonder.”




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Comment by DinOR
2008-07-24 14:58:50

“A year ago we had nothing in Washington”

What a difference a year makes, huh?

Can someone PLEASE straighten me out here? Keep in mind that to people that grew up in Cicero, IL just about ‘any’ place looks picturesque, but I utterly fail to see the attraction for Jackson Hole? Never been there, I’ve seen pictures ( as have we all ) but what specifically makes it so… “different”. Help a brotha’ out.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-07-24 15:02:39

’sales for the year are down 60 percent and properties under contract are down 85 percent. That’s coupled with inventory levels that are up 140 percent. Viehman said 121 properties, or 21 percent of listings, had reduced asking prices between June 1 and July 15. ‘This is unprecedented for Jackson Hole..’

I don’t know what is so special about it, but they have always considered themselves completely immune. Better than Aspen. Yet the exact same fundamentals are playing out.

Comment by DinOR
2008-07-24 15:11:45

“properties under contract are down 85 percent”

Is that significant?

Is there some sort of tax advantage to having a 2nd/3rd home in WY that only the uber-rich know about? Youth restoring mineral waters? The only time I even think about the place is when it’s mentioned during the annual mtg.

 
Comment by sf jack
2008-07-24 16:09:15

And what a ding dong this Viehman is - the market is the market.

“Viehman said 121 properties, or 21 percent of listings, had reduced asking prices between June 1 and July 15. ‘This is unprecedented for Jackson Hole,’ Viehman wrote. ‘Don’t expect to find below-market value, though.’”

*****

And as usual, “it’s different here”; he sounds as if he’s a realtor in the pricier places in the Alt-A Bay Area.

From the article:

“Viehman warns the buyer’s market for the under $1 million segment may not last long.

‘It’s tied mostly to our mortgage crisis, which in turn has instilled a lack of confidence in our local buyers,’ he wrote. ‘With many sellers reducing their properties’ price tag to market value, and with local banks still willing to finance credit-worthy borrowers, expect to see a big increase in sales soon.’”

Comment by sf jack
2008-07-24 16:17:40

And, oh yeah, one more thing…

If the locals in Jackson somehow magically regain their housebuying “confidence” for $1 million houses in the midst of slowing national economy, they may soon thereafter find out that the billionaires who come once or twice a year to visit may not be able to wholly buttress their tourist economy.

For it actually depends as much or more on the upper middle classers who flock to Yellowstone in the summer (several million a year pass through Jackson) and who go up to JH Mountain Resort to go skiing every winter.

… could make for interesting times in Teton County.

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Comment by Tango in Uniform
2008-07-24 16:45:07

Actually, he’s right. Everything in Jackson Hole will sell for market value, not above, not below. It’s just that the market value for that house you *thought* was worth $2m might really be $1m. And that’s what it will sell for.

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Comment by mikey
2008-07-24 15:18:03

DinOR

Must be the the snowflakes that make Jackson Hole sooo special …

some even drive BMW’s :)

 
Comment by Little Al
2008-07-24 15:18:45

Jackson Hole is a place where rich snobs walk around with their noses in the air and pretend to be western. If you’re going to enjoy the pleasures of Yellowstone from a hotel, you’re much better off in Wapiti, West Yellowstone, Moran Junction, or along the Absaroka River. People will actually talk to you there. Jackson does offer some convenient whitewater rafting, but it sure ain’t worth a million.

Comment by Chip
2008-07-24 18:07:33

Little Al - thanks. Useful to know when I head out that way.

I don’t mind if people are rich, nor do I envy their lifestyle. I have two, maybe three friends who are (to my mind) very rich - worth $50-100M in my estimation. They earned their money through hard work and risk-taking. But none of them have their heads up their butts. I agree with you that the ones who parade their worth for all to see are the last people I’d want to be around. Life’s too short for that. In these parts, Worth Avenue in Palm Beach is a pretty good example. Interesting name, considering.

 
 
Comment by MontereyJack
2008-07-24 16:02:27

…but I utterly fail to see the attraction for Jackson Hole? Never been there, I’ve seen pictures ( as have we all ) but what specifically makes it so… “different”. Help a brotha’ out.

As far as I can figure it’s just an ordinary mountain town that happens to be on the highway to Yellowstone and the Tetons. There is very little scenic stuff in the town itself. With large and regular traffic visiting the parks Jackson Hole gets lots of exposure. Ignorant label-shopping big city people think of it when they think of the mountains. (The ski resort nearby is quite nice, however.)

Over a few decades rich ignorant label-shoppers tend to group together. They buy a 2nd or 5th house and visit only during prime season, but a “spot” for the wealthy is born. A similar process happened in places like Sedona, Vail/Aspen, Lake Tahoe, and Carmel-in-the-Cold-Fog near me. [You can have Carmel as far as I'm concerned. If the fog doesn't freeze you the spiteful pine trees will drop needles, pitch, pollen or limbs on your car.]

Comment by DinOR
2008-07-24 16:32:08

Monterey Jack,

Exactly the explanation I was looking for ( as well as others ) It seems that every rinky-dinky town on the map feels they have the potential to be the next____. Just the other day Ben posted a link with outrageous home prices 100 miles ( or was that kilometers? ) off the beaten path in British Columbia?

Comment by Butch
2008-07-24 20:44:28

Jackson Hole is one of the best ski resorts in the country especially if you like steep difficult skiing.

Other than that it’s nothing special.

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Comment by potential buyer
2008-07-24 17:25:10

Well, gas prices should put an end to all that driving, don’t you think?

Comment by BanteringBear
2008-07-24 18:03:33

High gas prices are throttling countless tourist economies as I type. The far away places are getting slaughtered. Some may never recover. I would imagine it’s quite possible to see some towns mostly boarded up. I think there’ll be A LOT of cheap commercial properties available some time down the road. Nobody will want them.

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Comment by Chip
2008-07-24 18:18:21

BB - from all that I read, it looks like we are at a watershed relative to the way of live of the average American. With nothing other than instinct to back it up, it seems to me that we are headed toward the type of lifestyle we last experienced in the late 1950s. The same general size and amenities of housing, for example. And the same expectations about travel. Back then, travel to Europe as daunting because of the expense and time required, relative to incomes. But when you add TSA, poor airline service, delays and cancellations to the intimidating cost of a stay in Europe or most desirable places, how will it be any different relative to our decisions to go or stay home or visit something closer by?

 
Comment by snake charmer
2008-07-24 20:32:04

I strongly agree with both of your posts. That’s the next blow-up in Florida, invisible to most because few people here are thinking more than three months ahead. Without mass tourism and cheap retirement possibilities, not to mention cheap air conditioning (here in Tampa, TECO is proposing a rate increase of over 20%), this state is headed for extraordinarily difficult times.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Isabel
2008-07-25 06:31:56

One of the things that is special about Wyoming is no state income tax. If you live here the required number of days espeically among the uber wealthy you can save a significant amount. That alone makes Jackson better than Aspen. Property taxes are also lower and Wyoming is darn near crime free. Jackson is a beautiful town with lots of great restaurants and only a few miles drive to the entrances to both Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Parks. Jackson is almost locked in by federal lands and parks. I love it up there. I used to take my kids up for tennis tournaments and had a great time winter or summer. It has probably the most beautiful summer climate of any place in the US. Kind of cold in the winter but the ski resorts are also first class. I am a Wyoming resident but in a less pretty part of the state. (the one where all the jobs are) Isabel

 
Comment by Anonymous Coward
2008-07-25 16:22:06

In my mind, the most important thing that’s made Jackson Wyoming so appealing (as opposed to so many other little Western Ski towns) is the fact that it’s a great winter and summer (sorry, Aspen) destination coupled with the fact that it has an airport 5 minutes away big enough for scheduled commercial 737 service, for the upper middle classes, and business jet service, for the truly wealthy (sorry, Taos). Oh, and there’s no state income tax (including retirement income, even from other states) and no inheritance tax.

 
 
Comment by SMF
2008-07-24 15:05:21

“‘Foreclosure tourist,’ Julie Molvik, agreed that buying foreclosed real estate is a creative way to turn a profit. ‘We were looking for something that we could invest in, or maybe something we could fix up and maybe something we could rent out or resell, flip.’”

Why, oh why do people still believe that this is a temporary correction?!

Listen, look at any ANY bubble chart and you can see exactly where we are right now. They ALL follow the same curve.

NASDAQ, which moves way faster than a housing market, is STILL 1/2 the value of its high point EIGHT YEARS LATER!!

This market will do the same. We all be long dead before we see the inflation adjusted prices of 2005 again.

Comment by wmbz
2008-07-24 16:03:17

‘We were looking for something that we could invest in, or maybe something we could fix up and maybe something we could rent out or resell, flip.’

The instant/easy wealth/no brain-er plan cut a wide and deep swath across the Globe and the not to bright are always available. What I find interesting is that they seriously think that they are the smart ones. Ahead of the crowd… The herd will be keep being thinned.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-07-24 17:00:13

“We will all be long dead before we see the inflation adjusted prices of 2005 again.”

Yeah, the V-shapers are an annoying bunch, aren’t they?

At any rate, I agree and still think it will be the duration - and not the depths - that will do the most damage to the FBs.

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2008-07-24 15:06:37

“I tried to explain that the market had ground to a halt and that I thought it would come back”

You thought. You THOUGHT did you!?

Folks, at 17 after wrecking the old man’s car on Prom Night could I imagine walking in with that lame an explanation. It’s not EVEN an explanation. Frankly I don’t know WHAT that is? So… “that’s” your plan? So you’ll be cutting the lawn until the year 204_?

 
Comment by snake charmer
2008-07-24 15:10:27

It consistently amazes me how many million-dollar homes were built all across the country over the last five years, many with the intention that they only would be occupied sporadically.

Comment by milkcrate
2008-07-24 15:42:19

SC-agree 100 percent. Wasteful building everywhere.
The challenge: so what is America going to build, if not houses?
Credit card telecommunications networks linked to Bombay, I guess.
Sigh.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-07-24 16:48:12

And that’s the kicker…building all that residential housing during the boom really wasn’t all that productive to begin with. It was a huge waste of time, money, resources, and especially opportunity - compared to many other options.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2008-07-24 16:11:24

The next phase is to subdivide the mc mansions into 2/3 apartments. (or a mother in law 1 brdm/ studio)

But then you face city zoning….they have to change it from 1 to 2 fam…….and they will want MORE FEES to compensate for the loss of new housing…which would negate any benefit to the subdive in the first place.

Comment by Chip
2008-07-24 18:26:35

Best to move into unincorporated county areas for that, IMO.

Here in central Florida, we have many areas in which you can do pretty much as you please, so long as you are not on wetlands or have snail farters nesting on your property. This is cynical, of course, but I’d have thought that in metro NYC all you have to do is pay off the right people and your multi-family McMansion problem goes away.

 
 
 
Comment by Ouro Verde
2008-07-24 15:15:28

“Once the market takes another slight correction, these houses are going to be worth a lot more,’ said Gonder

Once the market takes a slight dive it will take a bigger dive.
People will bolt and taxpayers will pick up the tab, again.
said Ouro verde

Comment by cvca
2008-07-24 15:08:01

“sellers have finally taken a bite out (of) the reality sandwich, and they’re lowering their price”

Hmm, is that a Poorboy you have there? The bread is stale and that premium meat you have there, is starting to spoil. If you have to eat it, then I suggest you just take a big bite and swallow quickly, instead of chewing on it for a few years.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-07-24 16:03:09

I like my po’ boy on a classic French baguette, and with fried oysters.

Of course, I’m a renter so I can afford it. :-D

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2008-07-24 16:24:46

The two word review of said sandwich from a seller : “Shit Sandwich”.

Comment by SV guy
2008-07-24 20:36:52

One of my my favorite sayings is,

“Life is like a sh*t sandwich……

the more bread you’ve got, the less sh*t
shot you’ve got to eat!”

Mike

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-07-24 16:31:12

Here’s a great poorboy:

Early in the evenin’ just about supper time,
Over by the courthouse they’re starting to unwind.
Four kids on the corner trying to bring you up.
Willy picks a tune out and he blows it on the harp.

Down On The Corner, out in the street,
Willy and the Poorboys are playin’;
Bring a nickel; tap your feet.

Rooster hits the washboard and people just got to smile,
Blinky, thumps the gut bass and solos for a while.
Poorboy twangs the rhythm out on his kalamazoo.
Willy goes into a dance and doubles on kazoo.

Down On The Corner, out in the street,
Willy and the Poorboys are playin’;
Bring a nickel; tap your feet.

Down On The Corner, out in the street,
Willy and the Poorboys are playin’;
Bring a nickel; tap your feet.

You don’t need a penny just to hang around,
But if you’ve got a nickel, won’t you lay your money down?
Over on the corner there’s a happy noise.
People come from all around to watch the magic boy.

Down On The Corner, out in the street,
Willy and the Poorboys are playin’;
Bring a nickel; tap your feet.

Down On The Corner, out in the street,
Willy and the Poorboys are playin’;
Bring a nickel; tap your feet.

Down On The Corner, out in the street,
Willy and the Poorboys are playin’;
Bring a nickel; tap your feet.

 
 
 
Comment by Tango in Uniform
2008-07-24 15:50:10

More fun in the wild west of Montana, from Hamilton and the Bitterroot Valley just south of Missoula:

http://tinyurl.com/6gz2xo

“..284 Active Residential & 39 Sold in 2008 [YTD through May]..”

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-07-24 16:10:48

I used to live in Bremerton WA, and visit my ex inlaws who lived about a mile from Allyn WA. Has the Allyn and Belfair area been bubblized? What about Port Orchard?

Comment by TJ_98370
2008-07-24 18:02:57

SanFranciscoBayAreaGal,

Yes, all of Kitsap County was pretty much bubblized, though I suspect mostly Bainbridge Island. However, the bubble has undeniably popped. Since near the beginning of this year YoY prices have been trending down. According to Northwest Multiple Listing Service data, the median closed sales price for single family residences in Kitsap County was down 12% for June 2008 when compared to June 2007. Sales are down 33% and inventory is up 5% YoY for the same period.

Sorry if I double posted.

Comment by Hazard
2008-07-24 20:11:12

SanFranciscoBayAreaGal,

You should drop by and see how they are doing sometime. I’m sure they’d be surprised to see you.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-07-24 22:00:39

Hazard,

Yes they would. Sad to say, I’m don’t even know if they are still alive.

The last time I talked to my ex inlaws was in the late 80’s. I loved both of my ex in-laws and the love was returned. They were quite upset when my ex and I split up. I was the daughter they never had. Because of their feelings for me, it made it harder for my ex’s future wives (he married two more times) to become part of their family. So I slowly removed myself from the picture and eventually cut off the communication.

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Comment by Aaron
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2008-07-24 16:28:24

I’m flabbergasted.

At first, I thought he was a divorce lawyer saying “Right now, if you’re getting divorced, ’sell’ the house to your wife, and walk away with cash.”

But no… sell the house to your wife, and use the money TO BUY MORE HOUSES! Which you then sell to your wife… and BUY MORE HOUSES!

 
Comment by walt526
2008-07-24 16:30:05

Is that serious or a spoof? I honestly can’t tell.

Comment by SaladSD
2008-07-24 23:15:41

Just watched a freaky episode of “Fear Itself” tonight,
all about the “american dream.” Young couples sacrifice their privacy and freedom in exchange for living in a McMansion. The entry gates of their caged community actually clank shut at the end of the episode! yikes…

 
Comment by Earl The Vagabond
2008-07-25 06:59:02

I think he is serious. However, this person doesn’t seem impressed with him… hehe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssA22lmMo8&feature=related

 
 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-07-24 16:15:55

“And we have traumatized consumers who we have to convince to get into the market,’ said Mike Pennington”

Seriously now, anyone out there who would actually need (or want) a total stranger’s help to convince them to make the largest purchase of their lives during these uncertain times…needs to send me their downpayment money (if any) ASAP. I promise to put it to better use than any agent would.

Disclaimer: I will use your money to fund my hedonistic quest to bring down Western Civilzation, although my past performance is no guarantee of future results.

Comment by walt526
2008-07-24 16:22:03

“I will use your money to fund my hedonistic quest to bring down Western Civilzation”

Sigh. Is this the latest pitch for a timeshare? :)

 
 
Comment by walt526
2008-07-24 16:26:41

The latest incident in mishandling nuclear weapons for the US Air Force. I’m starting to think that these guys don’t quite appreciate what they’re responsible for keeping secure. Scary stuff…

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/24/missile.error/index.html

Air Force says officers fell asleep at nuke switch
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Three Air Force officers fell asleep while in control of an electronic component that contained old launch codes for nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles, a violation of procedure, Air Force officials said Thursday.

The Air Force said the launch codes had been deactivated before the incident, but it was still a violation of protocol, prompting an investigation.

It is the fourth incident in the past year involving problems with secure handling of components of America’s nuclear weapons.

Comment by walt526
2008-07-24 16:33:48

Shoot, that was intended for bits bucket. Sorry about that.

 
 
Comment by TJ_98370
2008-07-24 16:40:34

SanFransicoBayAreaGal

Yes, all of Kitsap County was pretty much bubblized. However, the bubble has undeniably popped. Since near the beginning of this year YoY prices have been trending down. According to Northwest Multiple Listing Service data, the median closed sales price for single family residences in Kitsap County was down 12% for June 2008 when compared to June 2007. Sales are down 33% and inventory is up 5% YoY for the same period.

Comment by BanteringBear
2008-07-24 18:11:30

Kitsap prices skyrocketed. It was a flippers haven. There used to be some great prices on waterfront there. Down into Mason and West Pierce County, too. I saw a 10 acre waterfront property with western exposure, and a nice 4 bedroom house and outbuildings down near Lakebay, with a full dock and deep moorage, sell for less than $400k before things got really overheated. I think they flipped it for a quick million profit or something. I’d like to locate the address again so I can Zillow it.

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-07-24 18:03:26

I would just like to list a few quotes from President hopeful John McCain coming out against the support of Freddie and Fannie by taxpayers with quotes like .

” Take taxpayers off hook for the rot at Fannie,Freddie .”

“”Americans should be outraged at the latest sweetheart deal in Washington..”

Apparently McCain is arguing that government backing is no longer needed for F&F original mission . What McCain is saying is blasted on a number of
news website ,it came out about 4 hours ago .

Comment by InMontana
2008-07-24 19:08:04

Got a link? I can’t find anything on it.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-07-24 21:01:45

to find this sort of stuff, try google.com/news
Search a couple words like mccain fannie.

Larry Kudlow liked it.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/25837585

here’s mccain’s complete oped piece from a newspaper.
http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials/article735638.ece

What should be done? We are stuck with the reality that they have grown so large that we must support Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac through the current rough spell. But if a dime of taxpayer money ends up being directly invested, the management and the board should immediately be replaced, multimillion dollar salaries should be cut, and bonuses and other compensation should be eliminated. They should cease all lobbying activities …

..sounds like pretty good politicking to me..

Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-07-24 22:03:16

Joey ,but your politicking for F&F because you own stock in that company ,so who is politicking . Of course bail-outs of F&F would be helpful to any stockholders of those Companies . I don’t blame you for having self-interest ,as all people do ,but God you really have been campaigning later that the F&F bail-out is a good thing .I guess it would be for F&F stockholders .

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-07-24 22:51:55

Oh, and your not spinning joey because you own F&F stock ?

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Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2008-07-24 18:04:58

An update on the 6,000+ acre Bobby Ginn development called Laurelmor (my house is located at the beginning of one of the proposed entrances to the high-bucks development.) This appeared in today’s local newspaper:

“We [S&P] lowered our rating on the borrowers’ first-lien bank loan to ‘D’ from ‘CC’ and lowered our rating on the borrowers’ second-lien bank loan to ‘D’ from ‘C.’ The rating actions follow confirmation that Ginn did not make the June 30, 2008, interest and principal payments on its bank debt. Ginn has reached a 30-day forbearance agreement and is actively negotiating with lenders.”

 
Comment by gal
2008-07-24 19:34:05

Today’s main economic news was “Stocks Crushed After Existing Home Sales Hit 10-Year Low”. Is this a news ?
I wonder what do economists expect 10% recovery or what?
It seems stock market will continue to crash at least 3 to 4 years, since in my opinion ” Existing Home Sales” will hit 14-Year Low” in 2012. Good luck with your 401K investments guys…

 
Comment by Blacque Jacques Shellacque
2008-07-24 20:26:34

Developer Tony Marnella saw the slowdown in housing coming but had no idea how bad it would get.

Sounds like a simple case of lack of imagination.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-07-24 20:43:53

“One builder said, ‘If I would have seen what was coming two years ago, I would not have built that building.’”

But yet there are countless builders that have watched what’s happened the past two years and are still building.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2008-07-25 13:41:36

“At first, Williams & Dame Development and its partner found plenty of willing buyers. Their first project, the Meriwether, averaged about 20 sales a month and sold out in 2006 twice as fast as developers expected. Buyers buzzed for the second tower, the John Ross…spurring developers to speed up plans for their third and fourth towers.”

“Then the condo market deflated. Seventy-seven people asked to get out of their John Ross purchase. Since last fall, the developers have added just 12 new sales for a total of 182, still below the 2005 rush of pre-sales. Since last June, 11 of South Waterfront’s 481 buyers have defaulted on their mortgages”

Now, that couldn’t happen here (Austin) or anywhere else, could it?

 
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