August 1, 2008

Dreams Of Making Pots Of Money Are Being Shattered

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Mortgage scammers took advantage of loopholes in New York State lending laws to defraud homeowners and lending institutions all over the state, according to a new report. In one example from 2006, Suzette Francis, a woman with two young children, no assets, working as a $10-an-hour security guard and living in a homeless shelter, obtained a mortgage for $470,000. Francis had down payment and no proven income or assets.”

“She would have to work 400 hours a month just to pay her loan. ‘I’m, like, in a million dollar debt in housing and cash poor,’ Francis told the Commission.”

“Rhode Island’s housing market continues its downward spiral, with second-quarter house prices falling to their lowest level in five years. One ‘positive sign,’ the Realtors reported, was a decline in the inventory of single-family houses on the market. Not everyone, however, is convinced.”

“‘People are taking their homes off the market,’ said Suzanne E. Mulvee, senior real estate economist at Property & Portfolio Research in Boston. ‘Why bother having open houses if the thing is not going to move?’”

“‘It takes people graduating from school, people renting now and continuing to save so they can buy,’ Mulvee said, ‘We borrowed from the future [when] we took really good renters and made them really bad homeowners.’”

“When the Town Council sent out estimated tax bills last month based on new land and home valuations, it used a tax rate of $15 per $1,000 of value. On Monday the council dropped that rate, leaving taxpayers looking at a tax rate of $14 per $1,000 of valuation. But even with that move, many Fort Kent property owners are looking at major tax increases. ‘It’s no secret there’s been a significant shift in valuations,’ said Town Manager Don Guimond. ‘Land went up across the board.’”

“‘This valuation was done at the top of the housing market,’ said Councilor Gilman Caron. ‘Now that bubble has started to burst.’”

“Saint John’s real estate market is hot, hot, hot! The experts agree Saint John is on the cusp of booming prices, growth and housing sales. ‘It’s a hot market for sure,” said Realtor Marc Mawhinney, ‘but I think it’s probably just the tip of the iceberg. I don’t think the boom has hit yet with all the projects coming.’”

“The market, both in Saint John and especially the Kennebecasis Valley, is good for sellers right now. ‘We’re seeing as many as five, six, and even eight offers on a house the day it comes out on the market. It’s amazing. We’ve never seen that before,’ said Ron Young, owner of Exit Realty.”

“A beach hut with its own patch of sand was snapped up for a staggering £85,000 by a mystery buyer. The hut, which has no running water or electricity, lies on the beach in the sought-after coastal resort of Abersoch. In recent years prices for the huts have rocketed. Three years ago the Daily Post reported the sale of a hut at £60,000.”

“Estate agent spokesman Martin Lewthwaite said: ‘The hut was sold for substantially more than the guide price of £75,000. The buyers wanted the use of the hut during the main summer season. Prices for these huts are holding up very well, there is always a demand for huts on the beach.’”

“Cymuned chief executive Aran Jones said: ‘People who live in Gwynedd are fed up to the back teeth with hearing about these absurd prices for ugly sheds on Abersoch beach, while local people can’t afford houses.’”

“Jim Kingham says the credit crunch is hurting his Belfast-area moving company more than the violence that ravaged Northern Ireland for 35 years. Kingham has fired nine of his 12 workers at A1 Shortnotice, based in Newtownards, as house prices plunge and sales dry up.”

“‘You can take me back to the days of the bombings,’ says Kingham, who has run A1 for 40 years. ‘Business was better then. Five of my six lorries haven’t left the yard for months.’”

“House prices rose at the fastest pace in Europe, data from the Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors show. They climbed 79 percent in the two years ending in the second quarter of 2007, according to Nationwide Building Society, the U.K.’s biggest customer-owned lender.’

“‘Properties would go on the market and the same day there was maybe 10 or 20 bids in,’ says Desmond Turley, managing director of Ulster Property Sales in Belfast. ‘It was frenzied. Now it’s different. The level of interest just isn’t there.’”

“Maeve Egan bought a two-bedroom apartment in west Belfast for 130,000 pounds in 2006. Now it’s worth 30 percent less, and she can’t afford the 800-pound monthly mortgage payment after failing to find a roommate.”

“‘I’m living in my mum’s house and renting the flat out just to pay the mortgage,’ says Egan, adding that she’s cut her spending on clothes and holidays. ‘I can hardly afford to go out through the door because of it.’”

“In 2006 and 2007 many banks allowed three or four people to sign for mortgages when the buyers didn’t qualify on their own, said a spokesman for Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria SA, Spain’s second-biggest bank. Banks also granted variable-rate loans to families at the financial limit when interest rates were close to the lowest in a generation. Kutxa even offered a 50-year mortgage in 2007.”

“‘There was a fever in the real estate business, and it was the banks who set the terms,’ says Ramon Lobo, who worked as an auditor at BBVA during the boom.”

“Jose Maria Gonzalez is struggling to unload a four-bedroom apartment in Madrid so he can pay for the 480,000-euro ($750,000) house he now lives in. Gonzalez bought a new home outside Madrid last year. He took out a bridge loan to tide him over until the sale of his apartment, reassured by an estimate that it was worth 450,000 euros.”

“After a year on the market, he dropped his asking price to 435,000 euros from 510,000 euros and is still getting no interest. Payments on the bridge loan are set to begin in October on top of 1,300 euros a month for his mortgage.”

“‘I don’t see a way out,’ he says. ‘There’s no way we can pay them both, and practically no one has been to look at the place.’”

“When Borja Fernandez bought his two-bedroom apartment in Madrid in 2005 it was valued at 530,000 euros even though he only paid 486,000 euros. That allowed Caja Madrid to overstate the amount of home equity backing his 450,000-euro mortgage.”

With Sociedad de Tasacion SA estimating that property values locally have increased 22 percent since 2005, suggesting that the apartment is worth 100,000 euros more than the best offer, he’s not ready to cave in yet.’

“‘It starts to weigh on you,’ he says. ‘People say prices will start to rise again in 2010, but then you think: What if they’re wrong?’”

“House prices fell by 2.2 percent from June to July. This continues a trend which leaves housing 3.3 percent cheaper than last year. Less borrowing also indicates that prices may continue to fall.”

“‘We no longer have confidence in our own forecast,’ says head of the Norwegian Realtor Association, Christian Dreyer. NEF had estimated that 2008 prices would rise by 3 percent.”

“The realty market has been forced to do a reality check after being hit by inflation and economic slowdown. Metro properties have suffered badly but even small cities haven’t stayed immune to the headwinds.”

“‘NRI investors are bailing out Ahmedabad. In most tier-II markets, prices have gone down sharply,’ added said Pankaj Renjhen, managing director (Mumbai) of real estate consultants Jones Lang LaSalle Meghraj.”

“Shailesh Kanani, a research analyst with brokerage Angel Broking, said that in tier-II cities, projects at realistic rates like Rs 1,500-2,000 per sq ft are being bought out by end-users. ‘But investors have already packed their bags and left this business,’ he said.”

“The 22-story Glass House residential high-rise on McKinnon Street was planned as a condominium tower. But the builder recently decided to switch to rental after several months of marketing the units to potential buyers.”

“‘A lot of the townhome market was selling with subprime mortgages and that’s gone, so that’s why it’s slow,’ said Dallas housing analyst Mike Puls. ‘And a large segment of the luxury condo market - 25 percent or so - was selling to investors.’”

“With the market facing an oversupply, developer Harvest Partners has killed plans for two condo towers in its huge Park Lane development. The condos originally were to sit atop a boutique hotel. ‘We took the condo portion off,’ said Harvest Partners’ Tod Ruble. ‘Three or four years ago, you couldn’t finance a hotel without condos. Now you can’t finance one that has them.’”

“Benton County enjoyed a recordbreaking building boom. But any code-enforcement official, Parks Department employee or city planner knows that the growing number of foreclosures, bankruptcies and those simply walking away from their homes has created quite a nightmare.”

“‘There are entire subdivisions that nothing’s happened with,’ said Rogers codeenforcement supervisor Jeff David. ‘There are weeds 6 to 8 feet tall.’”

“‘These developments and homes that were only partially completed, that’s where you start finding piles of bricks, rebar and wood in the yard,’ said Roy Lovell, Bentonville’s parks foreman. ‘A lot of times, grass was never planted, and everything is so grown over we can’t see what we’re dealing with.’”

“Demand is rising as rental home and apartment vacancies fall across the Wichita area. It’s welcome news for landlords who can finally raise rental rates after almost a decade of steady or falling demand.”

“‘Hey, five years ago people were moving out of rentals left and right to buy houses,’ said Paul Savage, president of Apartment Finders and Savage Inc. in Wichita. ‘Isn’t it amazing? What goes up is always going to come down, no matter what you do.’”

“The bicounty housing market has slowed some since last year. Glenn Crellin, director of the Washington Center for Real Estate Research, said ‘the Tri-Cities market is probably marching to its own beat.’ ‘It’s certainly a market that doesn’t warrant any panicking,’ Crellin said.”

“‘Credit standards across the board … are all much tighter than I’ve ever seen them,’ said Mark Runsvold, branch manager for CLS Mortgage in Kennewick. He said he’s a little concerned that even people with stellar credit and incomes that support buying a home aren’t able to get zero-down loans, which still are in demand.”

“Dave Retter, designated broker and co-owner of Windermere Tri-Cities in Kennewick, thinks the market will have a strong second half of the year. ‘Every year you’re not going to set a record in a good market,’ Retter said.”

“To hear some real estate salespeople tell it, the housing market isn’t all that bad and would be a lot better if “The Media” would stop publishing bad-news stories.”

“I know that folks in the housing business are going through some tough times, but I’m not willing - as a card-carrying member of said Media - to take responsibility for it. We didn’t invent the housing bubble or the mortgage crisis or the resulting economic recession. And while we do write a lot about it, perhaps lengthening the trough, we also helped hype the market when it was on the way up.”

“Remember how buyers needed to hurry, needed to pay more than listing, how it was OK to borrow more than you could afford because appreciation would take care of it? Where were the complaints about those stories?”

“Along with the economy, the conversation at the average metropolitan social gathering has suffered a downturn. But I do detect an upside.”

“People have stopped braying on about how much their property is worth and what they are going to do when all the lovely lucre from it is realised. No one is banging on about doing up rambling farmhouses in France or fincas in Spain. No one gives a floating shelf what Sarah Beeny or Kirstie Allsopp thinks this week.”

“While dreams of making pots of money from our houses - which would enable us to run off into the sunset in pursuit of the remote-worker/yoga-teacher, perfect downsized dream - are being shattered by falling property prices, this economic standstill could prompt a new appreciation for the houses we are stuck with.”

“It is probably crass to count our blessings - certainly while first-time buyers are priced out of the market and houses are being repossessed. But it is a relief that nomadism among the professional classes - and better yet, talking about it - is being forced to stop. We might get to know each other, and our homes a bit better.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-08-01 14:15:21

‘The market, both in Saint John and especially the Kennebecasis Valley, is good for sellers right now. With a good price, homes selling for between $150,000 and $200,000 won’t linger long on the market. The average length of time a house remains up for sale is about two months, but any home priced right will sell within one month.’

‘Back in 2000, Moncton, Fredericton, and other markets were doing well and it was gloomy here, but now it’s flipped around and a lot of people are looking to buy and invest in this market. Saint John is the leading market in New Brunswick and I’d be safe to say one of the leading markets in Atlantic Canada.’

So perhaps the last place the housing bubble rolls into isn’t Regina, but Canada East? My thanks to those who support this blog. Please check back this weekend for news, your market observations and topics.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-08-01 14:27:22

When I was in my early teens, my parents and I went on car-camping trips to Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Prince Edward Island.

To put it politely, we saw a lot of down and out places. And getting to eastern Canada required going through rural Maine, which wasn’t known for its affluence.

So, I wonder who can afford these $150-$200k houses. Certainly not the locals.

Comment by RJT
2008-08-01 14:30:14

200K is a bargain in Canada these days. Lot’s of Easterners who made money in the Alberta boom days have cashed out, and moving back to Eastern Canada with “liberated equity” to buy places and of course push up prices so locals can no longer afford it.

People never ever ever learn from others’ mistakes. They need to learn on thier own.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-01 15:13:13

Fine, and what happens after there are no more “equity liberators” a coming?

Did that thought occur to anyone?

I’ll tell you what happens. Demand and supply reinstate themselves with a vengeance, and prices go back to fundamentals.

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Comment by exeter
2008-08-01 15:37:18

“Fine, and what happens after there are no more “equity liberators” a coming?

Did that thought occur to anyone?”

Have you ever posed that same question to an RE believer in person? I have. His response?

“What if there is another 9/11?”

lmao.

 
 
 
Comment by milkcrate
2008-08-01 15:41:10

Slim… I took vacations in Vermont as a kid from Ohio and well remember the modest lives. Though looking back, I admire them for Yankee pluck… cutting firewood when we swam.
Also, I was in Victoria recently, and heard all about robust property values and claims that the Calif. experience wouldn’t happen there.
Heard the same bravado in Skagway (sp?) in Alaska.

 
Comment by Sagesse
2008-08-01 20:08:36

There’s a tourist shop and ‘restaurant’ near Peggy’s Cove, near the light house, and they did not even have their place (restrooms) cleaned from the last season when I was there one spring. They have nothing to do and can’t keep their facilities clean.
This year, in May, I asked at a gas station, ‘is there a bakery’ and the woman said, ‘don’t know if they are open yet’,…Turns out, the seasonal bakery was exactly next door and she did not know if they were open for the summer season.

Comment by BanteringBear
2008-08-01 20:50:39

Service these days in absolutely outstanding, isn’t it? Of course, it’s hard to blame these poor people when two hours of their wages each day go to gasoline.

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Comment by Mike
2008-08-01 15:14:56

You know, it doesn’t matter how many times we say it, or how many different ways to slice it, that there are inevitable and negative consequences to home price increases beyond CPI. New Brunswick isn’t exactly well known for its economic output considering it receives welfare in the form of federal “transfer payments” from wealthier provinces. By the same token, they have no incentive to fundamentally improve themselves as an economy, particularly as housing eventually is a zero-sum game from a macroeconomic perspective in the long run.

This should end well, as usual.

 
Comment by Sagesse
2008-08-01 19:59:39

Three years ago I drove up there, to St John Maine, and people from further south said it’s “Suicide Central.” That is how it felt like. These are remote and depressed areas, period.

 
Comment by Dave of the North
2008-08-02 03:01:33

Saint John makes the HBB:-) I guess it’s really a bubble here now. I live here in the KV and I’m bemused at the prices people are asking and getting. However, if the wishing price is too high it will sit - there is a house on our street for $ 189,900 which has been listed for several weeks. A house further down the street that listed for $ 170,000 sold in days.
The houses in the $ 150K -200K range are not out of reach in this area - two income households are the norm, and there are some large employers (Aliant. Irving empire, some IT companies, government ) that pay well for this area.
There are too many houses that people are asking 300K and up. They seem to take longer to sell. All the builders are chasing the same high end group of people moving in for the various projects on the go (LNG terminal, nuclear plant upgrade, potential 2nd refinery etc)

 
Comment by BoughtMyPoints
2008-08-03 00:19:34

Ben,

One of the markets I have been looking at closely is the Maritime Provinces.

To be sure, the cities have relatively expensive real estate. But once in the sticks, prices are some of the lowest in North America. I have seen good, comfortable houses in bucolic areas listed for circa. $30K in Prince Edward Island and Newfoundland (okay, don’t laugh). For really depressed prices, look for the proverbial coal mining town in other provinces.

 
Comment by aqius
2008-08-06 12:00:46

“my thanks to those that support this blog, check back this weekend . . . ”

check back this weekend? WEEKEND ?!
what the bloody hell: where are you going on a Wed all of a sudden & what the hell am I supposed to do NOW without timely updates?

play with my kids? do (shudder) yardwork?!

dammit Ben, get back to yer desk. turn those machines back on, Mortimer!

 
Comment by aqius
2008-08-06 12:11:18

ok wrong day & thread for my comment.

in the words of gilda radner, ” nevermind “

 
 
Comment by Big V
2008-08-01 14:50:38

I just checked out the forum (forum.thehousingbubbleblog.com), and there is an AWESOME poll on there regarding the smilies. You all should get out and vote the poll!

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-08-01 15:14:52

“But it is a relief that nomadism among the professional classes - and better yet, talking about it - is being forced to stop. We might get to know each other, and our homes a bit better.”

I happen to agree with this to some degree. It feels like people have been chasing invisible “wants” for years now, never happy, never taking stock of what they have. Always looking for the next thing or, at least, for something else.

I believe the last ten years (two bubbles) really helped foster this mentality.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-08-01 15:28:17

Sleepless, you remind me of a few former neighbors who moved in and out of here. To put it mildly, they weren’t too happy about this neighborhood.

She bought back at the peak of the boom, and, IIRC, she paid in excess of the listing price. She moved out last summer, and is now renting her house. I can’t help but think that the rent isn’t covering the mortgage.

The other neighbors are a couple who moved to a nearby neighborhood. And I’ll bet they’re not happy campers these days. Why not? Because the city just announced plans to route a parkway through their little nirvana.

As for all of the enlightened schlubs who stayed here, well, they’re invited over here for a get-together tomorrow.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-08-01 15:34:08

Oh, boy. Was that comment sent in haste or what?

I should have said that I was referring to three former neighbors. One was the woman who paid above the asking price back in ‘05. The other was a couple who are now just a few blocks away from where the Aviation Parkway will make its final run toward I-10. Lucky them.

And the “we stayed put” crowd is coming over here for a get-together tomorrow. We may just get to know each other a bit better.

 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-08-01 15:57:33

Very few things are capable of changing a person’s heart, mind and soul and i don’t think money is one of them.

Comment by CA renter
2008-08-02 18:05:06

Money can indeed change people, for better and worse. I’ve known very few people who remained the same after their financial circumstances were significantly altered.

 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2008-08-01 15:27:28

From the CNN link:

“New York had 39,000 properties with foreclosure filings in 2007, according to RealtyTrac, the online marketer of foreclosed properties, ranking eighth in the nation behind states like California, Nevada and Florida.”

So now there are tens of thousands of bank owned shacks in NY state serving as the new comp in your neighborhood. And of course the real estate sales pukes deny any complicity in this charade. The fact that they (realtards) speculated on the very garbage they were selling (as an “investment” no less) which now is rapidly declining in value is really the best vindication……..aside from indictments and jail of course.

Comment by Sagesse
2008-08-01 20:14:47

There are plenty of shacks in NYS, see Adirondacks, I - 90 corridor such as Utica, Glens Falls, Vermont Border. They should be given away, instead of mortgaged. What was it they produced in Utica, again? Some breath mint, or Chewing gum?

Comment by Sagesse
2008-08-01 20:18:30

By the way, Russians from NY revived Sharon Springs, because they like hot spring baths. Even so, it’s still desolate. Victim of Carribbean Cruising.

 
Comment by exeter
2008-08-02 09:56:31

“What was it they produced in Utica?”

Cast iron boilers. I think it’s still operating along with a foundry or two.

Comment by Otis Wildflower
2008-08-03 10:20:35

Genny Cream Ale!!

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Comment by reuven
2008-08-01 15:38:45

“While dreams of making pots of money from our houses - which would enable us to run off into the sunset in pursuit of the remote-worker/yoga-teacher, perfect downsized dream - are being shattered by falling property prices, this economic standstill could prompt a new appreciation for the houses we are stuck with.”

It’s funny. Back in my day, when people dreamed of making “pots of money” the dreams were about starting successful business, or building the proverbial better mousetrap, not getting-rich-quick on real estate.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-01 15:48:18

You know, I’ve seen your posts a lot, and you’re basically a smart but bitter person.

However, even worse, whenever anyone brings out the “back in my day” bull-sheeyat, it’s time to call them on it.

Whenever you hear a “back in my day”, it’s time to pull out the double-double martinis, point at the person and rock back and forth while giggling away and calling them grampa-sourpuss :-D

Comment by exeter
2008-08-01 15:50:10

“You know, I’ve seen your posts a lot, and you’re basically a smart but bitter person.”

Hmmm… so I’m not the only one who noticed? Imagine that!

 
Comment by reuven
2008-08-01 15:50:41

I can’t help it! I’m out of touch! At my client’s site today (I’m a business consultant), I was telling the kids who worked in the IT department all about punch cards.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-01 15:54:55

Chill, my friend, chill.

You live near my sister (roughly +- 10 miles) in an area of gorgeous beauty.

Yeah, that whole state sucks donkey’s @ss, and the politics is, well, sucky beyond belief but surely it has its compensating moments, no?

Great food, great weather, etc. Surely, there’s something you like out there. Why not use your comparative advantage to both sock away money and have a good time?

Ricardo lives!!! :-D

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Comment by dude
2008-08-01 17:20:16

Ah, punch cards. I did contract service on a machine that did the punching back in ‘90. No, not 1890, 1990. S.E. Rykoff in downtown L.A. I was in my twenties but I had never even heard of punch cards, let alone used them.

They did have tape spools and hard drives in the same MIS room, to be fair.

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Comment by Jay_Huhman
2008-08-02 16:12:11

I can recall storing programs on 7 track paper tape in the early 1970’s.

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Comment by reuven
2008-08-01 15:55:23

…and I’m not that bitter. I have zero debt (no mortgage, nothing), a fun job consulting for the Entertainment industry, I’m always speaking at trade shows and industry events, etc, I play the piano at various places.

“Disillusioned” would be a better word. I’m upset at how the core middle class wants to live beyond their means as if they’re entitled to it, and they want me to pay for it. I expect that from the welfare class, but not from the nation’s middle.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-01 16:03:29

This is a consequence of skewed incomes. It’s largely inevitable.

Do what I did, get better friends. It’s extraordinary what a refreshing change in perspective that is.

I just got back from DC. I took the $20 “Chinatown” bus (very comfortable, totally empty.) Someone at the party called me on it, “You can afford the train. Why take a crappy bus?”, and I told them, “Because I can blow the remaining $240 to have a really good time in DC, and that paid for the bottle of wine you’re drinking.”

Ain’t nothin’ like the truth to shut the posers up.

I do that in Shallow Alto too. Doesn’t get you popularity points but it’s a cr@pload of fun. I highly recommend it. Very liberating. :-D

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Comment by Chucky
2008-08-01 19:59:50

Faster

Hey, I have been reading your posts for about 6 months and I must say you are full of yourself and BS.

 
Comment by reuven
2008-08-01 20:12:03

I love people who are full of themselves and BS! Hey, Pussycat, want to meet for drinks in Shallow Alto. Or better yet, Breakfast at Bucks?

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-01 20:36:18

Next time I’m there (probably October.)

 
 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-08-02 15:55:41

I guess the “upper class” with their unearned itemized tax cuts and outsized golden parachutes after running half of the Wall Street investment firms into the ground isn’t jonesing for a bailout either?

Geez, must be nice having such a selective memory.

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Comment by ChillintheOC
2008-08-01 16:00:15

“‘It takes people graduating from school, people renting now and continuing to save so they can buy,’ Mulvee said, ‘We borrowed from the future [when] we took really good renters and made them really bad homeowners.’”
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Wow! This is one of the few intelligent quotes I’ve heard coming from a Real Estate Economist in awhile. Until first time home buyers get back into the market by qualifying for homes again this sales drought is going to continue.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-01 16:18:40

And longer.

Once the fever breaks, and it seems to breaking as we speak, there will be no more urgency to buy.

Comment by Neil
2008-08-01 22:21:48

Real estate investment emotions continue their trend. We have a whole bunch of people in desperation. Once we get to Panic… everything changes. No one wants into the theater when everyone else wants out!

But that takes the normal seasonal slowing to make things happen. The kiddies aren’t yet back in school, so there are still many who feel they “must buy.” But once school is in session… We’ll have a lot of sellers listening to the crickets chirp during their open house.

Where my wife and I *really* want to buy there are five homes for sale. All are fairly recent purchases (within two years). The normal market is for there to be a 50/50 chance of ONE home on the market! Hmmmm….

Not to mention retirees are ’sensing’ that they do not have much longer to convert their bubble market home into cash. So I’m seeing stable neighborhoods having numerous homes go on the market by sellers who don’t have to sell, but would like to.

I noted this years ago. I just thought this part would play out slower… (much slower). (But I also thought the foreclosure mess would play out faster… cest la vie.)

Got Popcorn?
Neil

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2008-08-01 17:35:05

Well GM did the same thing with zero interest, now look at sales and the price collapse of all the leased trucks and SUV’s

 
 
Comment by Tango in Uniform
2008-08-01 16:30:26

Oh, my…

This is from the blog that someone posted earlier, a 24-year old “young professional on the road to wealth” who’s taken on two rental properties lately.

With a title like this it’s gotta be good: Did my Realtor lie to me?

He went on about his morals and ethics and how he values helping his customers and would never withhold information..

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2008-08-01 17:47:56

This crap really irks me. The common denominator is not skin color but Stupidity The inability to use a calculator, to think your 1% teaser would last forever. But blaming it on stupidity would not be politically correct today.

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Targeting minorities

Particularly targeted all over the nation have been minority communities. The Commission found that, all other things equal, New York state African-American and Hispanic borrowers were twice as likely to have subprime loans as whites.

 
Comment by measton
2008-08-01 20:40:01

Rent vs Own calculation by MSM

http://realestate.msn.com/rentals/Article2.aspx?cp-documentid=8377648

Now try with yearly rent x12

 
Comment by em3
2008-08-01 21:01:25

“‘We no longer have confidence in our own forecast,’ says head of the Norwegian Realtor Association, Christian Dreyer. NEF had estimated that 2008 prices would rise by 3 percent.”

Don’t count the market out yet. It was worth it to pare away our country’s exposure to the menial, to textiles, shoes, consumer electronics, rail cars, autos, steel, tools, appliances, radiology, transcription, accounting, help desk, programming, printing, bookbinding, collections.

We’re the innovators here and employers needed to free up resources to redirect to our core competencies, time tunnels, personal reactors, love and youth potions. Those are the technologies that will drive Tele-Transporter Gulch, Anti-Gravity Pass, Singularity Prairie. Imagine all the housing we’re gonna need.

 
Comment by em3
2008-08-01 21:07:07

…architecture, renderings, toys, timepieces, sporting goods… .

 
Comment by em3
2008-08-01 21:09:17

…solar panels, wind turbines… .

 
Comment by chilidoggg
2008-08-01 23:55:19

…girl/boy porn, boy/boy porn, girl/girl porn, batman/hulk porn, snoopy/garfield porn…

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-02 08:12:39

It’s batman/robin porn as everyone well knows.

And renters consume porn too. ;-)

Comment by mikey
2008-08-02 09:46:34

To hell with porn.

My turn on is real girl bopping around naturally in her cut undies and one of MY shirts.

Ooops!…that’s PORN too ? :)

 
 
 
Comment by GH
2008-08-02 00:24:58

She would have to work 400 hours a month just to pay her loan

Yet the bank issued the loan anyway.

The entire current pricing structure is based on fraudulent income declarations, which is why nothing can be done to save the current high prices. I see very little being said in the press about this…Only that people like this are victims. I seriously doubt this individual declared their income as $20K a year.

Comment by michael
2008-08-02 06:20:02

She would have to work 400 hours a month just to pay her loan..

if i was the judge in this foreclosure i would stand up…drop my robe…moon the bankster representative…laugh histerically.

that would be my ruling.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-02 08:20:17

LOL

 
Comment by aqius
2008-08-02 12:53:38

dont forget to use yer “gavel” to make it an offical ruling . . . !!

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-02 19:02:46

LOL x2. :-D

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Comment by uptick
2008-08-02 09:27:23

Total Borrowings of Depository Institutions from the Federal Reserve

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/BORROW

or

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/TOTBORR

Scary looking graphs, but don’t know exactly what they mean.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-08-02 10:02:35

“…but (I) don’t know exactly what they mean.”

And you might want to hope it stays that way.

 
Comment by CA renter
2008-08-02 18:16:13

Fantastic find, uptick!!!

 
 
Comment by measton
2008-08-02 09:46:15

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aikzb5JpxxvQ&refer=home

Americans labored an average 33 hours and 36 minutes per week, six minutes less than in June and matching the shortest workweek since records began in 1964, the Labor Department said yesterday in Washington. The jobless rate jumped to 5.7 percent, the highest level in more than four years.

Combined with the drop in payrolls, the total number of hours worked in July declined by 0.4 percent, indicating the economy took a turn for the worse entering the third quarter. Businesses are broadening efforts to trim labor expenses as surging fuel bills hurt profits.

Private employers cut 76,000 jobs in July while government hiring increased by 25,000. That brought the decline in total payrolls to 51,000, spanning transportation companies, retailers, manufacturers and temporary help agencies.

In terms of the impact on gross domestic product, every tenth of an hour drop in the workweek is equivalent to a loss of 300,000 to 350,000 jobs, LaVorgna estimated. He cut his third- quarter growth forecast to 0.7 percent at an annual rate, less than half his prior projection of 1.5 percent.

So the equivalent job loss for July was
51,000 + 300,000 * 0.4/0.1 = 1,251,000

Ouch

 
Comment by Bill in Maryland
2008-08-02 10:11:27

$10 per hour job and children, with a $470,000 loan. Now she’s whining? Hello! Someone put on their stupid suit and is expecting others to feel sorry for her stupidity?

So a huckster comes up to me and says, psst! I can get you a $5,000,000 island villa with swimming pool and bikini girls. Bad credit? No credit? No problem! I tell him I earn only $200,000 per year. No problem, he answers! Appreciation in those assets will make it all double in value, including the bikini beauties.

Now I’m in a dillemma. Do I put on the stupid uniform and be bailed out by the Obama socialist camp because I could not help being stupid? Or do I say no thanks?

Comment by bluprint
2008-08-02 10:55:39

Now I’m in a dillemma. Do I put on the stupid uniform and be bailed out by the Obama socialist camp because I could not help being stupid? Or do I say no thanks?

Clearly there isn’t enough information here to answer that question. You would first need pictures of the girls.

Jeez! Do I have to do all the work?

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-08-02 11:30:00

“Do I put on the stupid uniform and be bailed out by the Obama socialist camp because I could not help being stupid? Or do I say no thanks?”

That’s pretty rich. What happened to the veto last week?

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-08-02 15:45:59

I noticed McCain and Obama both voted for the bailout package, but Obama gets all the credit for being ’socialist’. Some of the dim bulbs here failed to notice that fact.

Who’s wearing that stupid suit again?

 
 
Comment by ella
2008-08-02 15:02:19

how is she stupid? she was in a homeless shelter and had nothing to lose.

 
 
Comment by fred hooper
2008-08-02 12:38:33

Is it time to call the bottom in Phoenix? Has the median price drop reached 50% yet? Anyone?
Maricopa County (Phoenix Metro) Notice of Trustee’s Sales
Jul 06 851
Aug 06 1019
Sep 06 1114
Oct 06 1238
Nov 06 1493
Dec 06 1407
Jan 07 1624
Feb 07 1577
Mar 07 1720
Apr 07 1709
May 07 2007
Jun 07 2325
Jul 07 2501
Aug 07 3248
Sep 07 2834
Oct 07 3458
Nov 07 3544
Dec 07 3875
Jan 08 5334
Feb 08 5015
Mar 08
Apr 08
May 08 6415
Jun 08 6928
Jul 08 6411

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2008-08-02 15:10:03

Is this our ahansen?

Attacked by a bear in CA? I saw the video on CNN and thought it looked an awful lot like the photo on Ouro’s photo bucket.

If this is you ahansen, my prayers are with your quick recovery….and thank God for your dog friends!

Video:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/08/02/sots.bear.attack.victim.kabc

text story from Fox News / No photos:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,390045,00.html

Comment by CA renter
2008-08-02 18:29:34

OMG, Carrie Ann, I think you’re right!!!! That looks very much like Ahansen, and I believe she does live in that area, IIRC.

Will go to the forum to see if anyone’s posted anything there.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2008-08-02 15:22:13

From the Editors of American Banker
Foreclosures Mount, So Do Calls for Halt

“The pressure on servicers and lenders to voluntarily cease foreclosures continues to build and shows no sign of slackening. The latest call came Friday from San Diego City Attorney Michael Aguirre, who asked Bank of America Corp. to agree to a voluntary moratorium on foreclosures of certain mortgages originated by Countrywide Financial Corp.”

 
Comment by Fuzzy Bear
2008-08-03 10:05:22

“To hear some real estate salespeople tell it, the housing market isn’t all that bad and would be a lot better if “The Media” would stop publishing bad-news stories.”

The real estate salespeople are always looking for the scapegoat while avoiding taking ownership for their excess greed that lead to the buildup of the housing bubble and then the fall of the housing market.

For those realtors who participated, grow up and accept responsibility for your own actions that have hurt many people and don’t blame the media, blame yourselves!

 
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