August 4, 2008

The Price Of A Dream

The Great Falls Tribune reports from Montana. “A subdivision slated to be developed on 58-acre piece of land fell through and the land is back on the market. A buyer from California was looking to develop a subdivision on the land, but the sale never came to fruition, said Dick Seim, the listing real-estate agent for the property. The land is listed for $1 million, and the ad says there’s room for 90 or more lots.”

“The land is a natural fit for homes…he said. The soon-to-open ice rink also will be nearby. ‘It’s a choice piece of property,’ he said. ‘It’s got some beautiful lots.’”

The Missoulian from Montana. “In the first half of 2008, local home prices have cooled slightly, there is greater inventory and homes are taking longer to sell, according to data compiled by the Missoula Organization of Realtors.”

“Jody and Brittany Tait listed their four-bedroom house west of Missoula for sale in early July. So far, they haven’t received any phone calls or inquiries about the house. The Taits, who’ve lived in their home for 23 months, wanted to try and sell their home themselves instead of paying fees for a real estate agent.”

“‘If we want to get any of our equity, then we have to sell it ourselves. So we’re trying this at first,’ said Jody Tait.”

“Don Cole, an agent and a loan officer, said he gets two to four people into homes each month with lease options. ‘With the lending programs changing, we just don’t have the options,’ he said. ‘Probably more than half of the people going into lease options could have bought the homes outright a year ago.’”

“Asked to characterize the local market, Cole said, ‘Missoula is not really in the dumps. It isn’t where it was, but nobody is. We are better off than many places.’”

The Idaho Statesman. “Real estate agent Janet Parsons is proud of the deal she wangled for her client, a 26-year-old first-time homebuyer. Parsons helped Brandon Beveridge through a seven-month process of buying home through a ’short sale.’ She said similar homes are selling for around $170,000; Beveridge got his for $133,500.”

“Beveridge, a computer programmer, is glad he waited. If housing prices continue to tumble, he said, he’s not going to worry much because he paid less than market value to begin with.”

“‘I had a bunch of friends who told me especially right now I would be stupid not to buy,’ he said.”

“In 2005, Jenni and Ryan Kroon traded the 1,100-square-foot, three-bedroom, two-bath home in Boise they shared with their two children for a 3,500-square-foot, seven-bedroom, four-bath home in Nampa that cost $200,000. Although financed with a 30-year, fixed-rate loan, the move still tripled their monthly mortgage payment to about $2,100.”

“That’s when the problems began. Jenni Kroon’s diabetes took a turn for the worse, requiring increased out-of-pocket outlays for doctor visits and expensive medicines. Then Ryan lost his job when his brother’s residential construction company folded.”

“‘With every month, it was more and more obvious that we had bitten off more than we could chew,’ said Jenni Kroon.”

“Today, the Kroons rent a four-bedroom, two-bath home in Nampa’s Royal Meadows subdivision for $895 a month. ‘My children and my husband hate it because it so much smaller, but I’m grateful for the cover,’ Jenni Kroon said.”

“Lance Churchill’s company…specializes in acquiring foreclosures. That door is likely to stay open awhile. Five-year ARM adjustments are still to come. Plus, there are homeowners who took interest-only loans, option-rate loans with payments that might not even cover the interest due, and so-called ‘liars loans,’ where borrowers’ income was never verified, Churchill said.”

“Originally, it was estimated that the five-year loans would not begin resetting until March 2009. That’s not the case anymore, Churchill said.”

“‘If the value of the home falls beneath what’s owed on it, the lender has the right to immediately adjust the interest rate and demand that you pay full price,’ he said.”

“As a result, some homeowners with five-year adjustable rate mortgages saw their payments begin to skyrocket as early as last April, Churchill said.”

The Daily Journal of Commerce from Oregon. “For the last year and a half, Herb Giffin has kept a steady stream of work flowing into his architecture firm. But with the economy slowing down, that might change soon. ‘Around this fall, we will be looking at beating the bushes and responding to more public RFP’s,’ said Giffin.”

“At Otak Inc., principal Dennis Haden said the firm’s condo design business ‘has slowed way down.’ Otak has worked on condo projects in some of the regions hardest-hit by the housing collapse - Arizona, Nevada and California.”

“Developers are ‘trying to figure out what’s gone wrong’ and re-assessing projects that are on the boards, Haden said. In some cases, they’re even switching condo projects to market-rate apartments.”

“‘The (Arizona) market went so far down, I don’t know how long it will take for it to come back,’ he said, referring to condos.”

The Bend Bulletin from Oregon. “The rise and fall of Bend’s real estate economy has resulted in foreclosure proceedings against The Shire, a village-themed concept in southeast Bend patterned after J.R.R. Tolkien’s ‘Lord of the Rings’ series.”

“The Shire concept originated with Ron Meyers, who sold his share in the development for an unspecified amount to Dr. Lynn B. McDonald - a former emergency room physician at St. Charles Bend. McDonald died July 7.”

“‘It basically destroyed my life financially, but that’s the price of a dream,’ Meyers said. ‘The development wasn’t able to materialize fast enough before the market crashed.’”

“”Jan McDonald is trying to sell the 14 developed lots, one house and additional land before the 6-acre property goes to public auction in December, she said. The family owes Umpqua Bank $3.4 million on the project, according to the default notice.”

“‘It was Ron’s concept, and it was a good one,’ Jan McDonald said. ‘Had the market not gone to where it went, it had the potential to be successful.’”

“The Shire began to unravel in summer 2007 when the subprime mortgage crisis began to dry up credit sources, Meyers said. ‘Banks were getting nervous,’ Meyers said. ‘They’re still nervous.’”

“‘Some people were turned off by living in ‘Disneyland,’ he said. ‘It’s more of an artists’ community for a certain market segment that wanted something different. There’s been enough people that have come through that would say, ‘What a wonderful concept.’ But then the market crashed, and everyone (went) home.’”

The Bellinham Herald from Washington. “Last week Gragg Miller of Coldwell Banker Miller-Arnason released his mid-year report about the state of local real estate. What caught my eye, however, was his comments at the beginning of the report. The biggest challenge these days, he said, is pricing a home.”

“‘For this area, I don’t think we (the industry) are doing a good enough job with pricing. It’s a little less challenging now, because new sellers understand that the market is different now and are not insisting on the price appreciation their neighbor may had seen a couple of years ago,’ Miller said. ‘Still, it’s important to look at how comparable homes are sold a week ago; looking back six months or more won’t cut it for most homes.’”

“For used or existing homes, the Meridian area has 20 months of supply, while the Deming area has 8.5 months of supply. In Bellingham neighborhoods, Happy Valley has 12.5 months of supply.”

“In the second quarter of 2008, there were 1,206 overall properties sold in Whatcom County, continuing a downward trend from the peak in 2004, when there were 2,587 sold in that same quarter.”

“Listing a price too high is much more a problem in the current climate, he said. The buyers have much more to choose from in every home price level, so if they think it’s too high they can keep browsing. There is no competition among buyers for houses viewed as overpriced. Once the seller starts reducing the price, buyers are in a position to wait to see how far the price will fall.”

The Olympian from Washington. “A new Honda scooter, a trip to a Caribbean destination and a chance to win free gasoline are just some of the incentives that South Sound real-estate agents are using to entice prospective buyers in a slower housing market.”

“Tamera Strawn of Riley Jackson Real Estate is working with a Tacoma builder giving away Honda scooters for sales at The Overlook, a new 138-lot development at the top of Tumwater Hill, she said. ‘We’re just looking for something new and out of the box,’ Strawn said about the promotion.”

“Real-estate company John L. Scott offers visitors to its open houses the chance to enter a drawing for a trip to a Caribbean destination or Hawaii, said Eric Shull, broker of John L. Scott’s Olympia office.”

“Although the Thurston County housing market has slowed to the point where incentives are common, the market is nowhere near as slow as it is in California, he said. Shull said some homes in California are being marketed with BMWs.”

“Homeowner Karen Scherf of Chehalis and her husband, Scott Mattoon, each owned a home before they got married. Mattoon sold his house in Rainier, and Scherf still is trying to sell hers in west Olympia with real-estate agent Mark Plowman’s help. Today, she and her husband live in Chehalis, Scherf said.”

“She said she is grateful they’re not paying three mortgages, but Scherf still is eager for a sale.”

“Her 3,000-square-foot house has been on the market since April, and she’s hoping to sell it before she has to drop the price again. She also is considering renting the house, although Scherf added that she’s not particularly interested in becoming a landlord.”

The West Seattle Herald from Washington. “Area 140’s biggest economic downers over the last year were not home prices but rather inventory, and its troubled twin, ‘Days on Market.’ ‘I sometimes feel like a taxi driver showing property around,’ said Jennifer Suemnicht, with Re/Max Metro Realty in Seattle. ‘Buyers are shopping around more than a year ago.’”

“Of course, feng shui and accent pieces only help if the potential buyer has the money for the home in the first place. ‘You’d be surprised how many people don’t have any savings,’ said Ginny Lee of a privately owned mortgage bank near Safeco Field.”

“‘Lenders want to see you spend no more than about 36-percent of your net household income on your mortgage payment,’ said Kevin Ehlers of Cobalt Mortgage, Inc., in Kirkland, who specializes in ‘Area 140′ homes.”

“‘The average-priced West Seattle house the first five months of 2008 was $465,000,’ he said. ‘Your total payment at that price would be about $2,700 with 20-percent down with a 6.25 (percent) 30-year fixed rate. You’d need to net $90,000 a year, about one Microsoft salary. I realize that’s a lot of money. And if you only put 3-percent down with an FHA your monthly payment goes way up.’”

The Seattle PI from Washington. “Michelle Miran didn’t realize that there was something wrong with her mortgage until the interest rate reset last year. Her truth-in-lending statement noted a 30-year fixed rate with monthly payments of $1,311 for 359 months. But two years into it, her monthly payment shot up to about $1,700, and she and her husband fell behind.”

“They’re now fighting foreclosure on their Tacoma home and fighting back in court, suing the mortgage broker and lender.”

“Deb Bortner, head of the Department of Financial Institutions’ consumer services division, said the agency has been able to scrutinize lenders better over the past two years because of an increase in enforcement staff and examiners, along with a shrinking field of consumer loan companies.”

“And more charges are in the pipeline, she said. ‘I see more problems coming up. There’s a credit crunch, so I think each mortgage broker and each consumer loan company is struggling to maintain their business,’ she said.”

“Ari Brown, the Mirans’ attorney, and others say the increased oversight comes too late for thousands of borrowers who were duped by unscrupulous lenders and brokers.”

“Miran said the loan officer rushed her through the closing process, sending her a 2-inch- thick stack of documents while she was out of town on business. Miran signed the documents alone in her hotel room, and not in the presence of an escrow agent, even though an agent’s signature appears on the documents, according to the lawsuit.”

“Miran and her husband were able to make the mortgage payments on their three-bedroom home until the loan rate reset. The increase of about $400 a month, coupled with a maternity leave, made it difficult for them to keep up with payments.”

“‘I’m worried, knowing that I’m going to lose my house,’ said Miran, who works two jobs. ‘It’s going to be very hard for me.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-08-04 15:05:37

‘Commerce was back on track and rumbling when Eastern Montana’s oil boom fizzled, letting the air out of Billings’ “recession-proof” economy in the late 1950s. The housing market caught fire in the 1970s. Homes doubled in price within as few as five years.’

‘In 1990, blue foreclosure notices papered neighborhoods and prices fell, the home-building industry tanked, and many houses lost half their former value. Today, while many of the nation’s hottest housing markets have collapsed, local real estate agents aver: “There is no housing bubble in Billings.”

‘More cautious brokers say, “It’s a buyer’s market.” Noting today’s low interest rates, one agent called the market “golden.” Real estate agents have never been too good at predicting when a market will bottom out. In 1984, brokers called the collapse “a buyer’s market” and “a lull in sales.”

Comment by InMontana
2008-08-04 15:21:48

OMG, the text size on that blog made my eyeballs fall out. God I’m old.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-08-04 15:41:23

Oh well, take solace in the fact that Montana is joining the party.

 
Comment by JP
2008-08-04 18:20:05

FYI, if using Firefox ctrl + will increase font size, ctrl - will decrease.
IE also has this feature, but I don’t remember it off the top of my head.

Comment by milkcrate
2008-08-04 22:13:37

JP, thanks for tip.

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Comment by Duane Lapinski
2008-08-04 15:40:43

Roger Clawson in this blog describes the histroric Montana economic cycle, mannic booms followed be prolonged depressions.

Comment by BanteringBear
2008-08-04 15:44:02

The same can be said for Washington. A rather rude awakening is in store for many.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-08-04 17:58:41

What a bunch of bullsh*t the belief was that the flyover states didn’t participate in the bubble. Pull this leg it plays “Twinkle Twinkle Little Star”. The earlier thread had a list of cities in Minnesota that are now in line to get foreclosure assistance. They were spitting distance from the town in which I grew up. If they jumped the Mississippi they could have been sitting in my parents’ living room.

The Minnesota bubble started in ‘97 or ‘98. I bet states like Missouri and Montana and all of those other coastal paradises could brag of the same timeline.

This thing is going to be so ugly. Think Kathy Bates, Rosie O’Donnell and Ron Jeremy in a 3-way involving a truckload of pudding and a donkey. I guess that would make it a 4-way. Man, is it getting ugly.

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Comment by desertdweller
2008-08-05 00:11:11

HEY, Kathy Bates is a terrific actor.
The others, not so much. And Kathy looked terrific in the Titanic.

 
 
 
 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-08-04 15:41:55

“Today, while many of the nation’s hottest housing markets have collapsed, local real estate agents aver: “There is no housing bubble in Billings.””

Keep dreaming…

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-08-04 15:16:25

“Jan McDonald is trying to sell the 14 developed lots, one house and additional land before the 6-acre property goes to public auction in December, she said. The family owes Umpqua Bank $3.4 million on the project, according to the default notice.

Ah, crap. Time to reassess savings held at Umpqua.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-08-04 15:20:51

Uh-oh, me thinks you haven’t been paying close attention my friend. These guys have had projects dropping out all over the place.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-08-04 15:23:32

And brand new “lifestyle” branches popping up all over the place!

I’m VERY liquid there. One swipe of the pen and I’m out.

Comment by MacAttack
2008-08-04 17:56:01

Actually, UMPQ is the stronger, in my opinion. CACB and CBBO are the ones who took the big hits.

Note they don’t say how this guy died (they found his body at the bottom of the Deschutes River, mysteriously):

“The Shire concept originated with Ron Meyers, who sold his share in the development for an unspecified amount to Dr. Lynn B. McDonald - a former emergency room physician at St. Charles Bend. McDonald died July 7.”

There have also been two developer suicides.

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Comment by BW
2008-08-04 19:20:28

All for the one true ring of power

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2008-08-05 09:30:04

Yeesh… even Mordor had a housing Bubble - once the Dark Tower - the only source of local employment - fell, the place emptied out pretty quick. Well, the exploding volcano didn’t help, though it was sold as offering a “unique view.” I heard that by the end, half the Dark Tower was converted to condos!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-08-04 15:21:24

“Although the Thurston County housing market has slowed to the point where incentives are common, the market is nowhere near as slow as it is in California, he said. Shull said some homes in California are being marketed with BMWs.”

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

So it’s come to this. “Their market is worse than ours!! We’re only giving away SCOOTERS!! They’re giving away whole BMWs!!

When will it be legal to put these people out of their misery??

Comment by llking
2008-08-04 15:52:33

So, there’s a loophole for the new Housing Bill already. The new bill is supposed to stop the Down Payment Assistance program by the builders. The whole purpose is for the builders to continuously inflate the sale price. So, there’s no different here. Instead of giving thousands of $$$ towards down payment, they will give away FREE gifts while they prop the house price up.

I certainly don’t want a scooter. I want a Porsche or Ferrari.

Comment by jrochest
2008-08-04 23:16:22

I want a Porsche too, but I don’t want to finance it over 30 years at 6%.

 
Comment by pismoclam
2008-08-05 00:15:59

I want the new Batman Bugatti ! hehehehehehe

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-08-04 16:44:17

Those who think getting that scooter is good deal must also think that buying a five gallon drum of spagetti sauce at a big box makes for fine dining.

 
 
Comment by walt526
2008-08-04 15:23:30

“In 2005, Jenni and Ryan Kroon traded the 1,100-square-foot, three-bedroom, two-bath home in Boise they shared with their two children for a 3,500-square-foot, seven-bedroom, four-bath home in Nampa that cost $200,000. Although financed with a 30-year, fixed-rate loan, the move still tripled their monthly mortgage payment to about $2,100.”

“That’s when the problems began. Jenni Kroon’s diabetes took a turn for the worse, requiring increased out-of-pocket outlays for doctor visits and expensive medicines. Then Ryan lost his job when his brother’s residential construction company folded.”

3500sqft with 7 bedrooms??? I can see wanting to upgrade from a 1100sqft, but couldn’t they find something in between? What possible reason could a family of four have for buying a 7 bedroom home?

You know, when I worked in the construction industry I made sure that our finances were structured such that we could get by on just my wife’s income. Why increase your mortgage from $700 to $2100 when their income was so tenuous.

If the wife’s diabetes turned out to be such a financial burden, then they likely don’t have health insurance, or were underinsured. Which makes their decision to triple their mortgage even more insane.

They could have possibly survived the health expenses and job loss had they been conservative. Instead, they WAY overextended themselves and couldn’t weather the storm. But that’s a mess of their making…

Because they just couldn’t do without that 7 bedroom house.

Idiots.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-08-04 16:06:42

And the kids are young; they probably share a room. Why buy so much house? Speculation. The bigger the place the higher the appreciation.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2008-08-04 16:33:19

Come on, Ben… Those kids would be scarred FOREVER if they had to share a bedroom!! What would the other kids think??

(Yes, I shared a bedroom with two other brothers when I was young. It never seemed like a big deal to me.)

Comment by makeschips
2008-08-05 11:21:49

I’m the middle of three sons.

House #1, I roomed with the baby.

House #2, I got upper bunk above my older brother.

House #3, I finally got my own room - the smallest one! And my choice of paint color got nixed since my parents wanted it………….

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-08-04 16:21:44

The Koons escaped while, imo, the flipper who bought it from the Kroons was the GF. But Davila was a specialist in wildlife resources, a personal trainer, and also sold computers.. plus classes at Nouveau Riche Real Estate Investment College..
Obviously, he’d collected all the necessary qualifications to guarantee his future as a RE mogul.

Davila paid the couple about $205,000 for the home, enough to pay off the mortgage and pay for a truck for Ryan to commute to and from a new construction job with a commercial builder.

Davila said he was able to pay that much because he expected to increase the value of the home by finishing the basement. His strategy backfired, however, when the market turned while the basement work was being done.

Suddenly, large homes were not selling. Davila sat on the Kroons’ home for about nine months before selling it for $310,000. After his expenses, his profits were modest, he said.

“The timing was off a little bit,” Davila said. “Instead of making the $60,000 I was estimating (on the sale), I made $10,000.”

i doubt he made a dime..

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-08-04 17:21:16

“imo, the flipper who bought it from the Kroons was the GF.”

That’s what I was thinking. He paid $205K and re-sold for $310K? A 51% increase (minus basement cost). That must be one special basement!

So, his strategy on this house was pay top dollar on a pre-foreclosure (why did he pay full price?) and resell for higher…ie - buy high and sell higher. Not a good business model.

He got lucky. I’m guessing another equity refugee from California bailed him out and was the ultimate GF.

 
 
Comment by OCDan
2008-08-04 16:43:37

It isn’t just the appreciation factor. Freud would have something to say about this. It is just like the mammoth SUVs for men. Lacking something else, people, esp. men, feel they have to make up for it.

They figured that they would buy the most ginormous house for the money they could stretch. Heck, if they could have, I bet they would have gone for 10 bedrooms and 5,000 sq. feet, if the monthly was still $2100.

Personally, I have grown to love our 1250 sq. ft. condo, which still has 3 bedrooms, one is a loft/office, which our 12 year old uses as his room.

If I ever buy again, I would prefer a smaller house on a larger lot, so I could plant some fruit trees and a garden.

The heck w/the mammoth house. Too much to keep up with furnishing it and the utilities.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-08-04 16:52:16

“Too much to keep up with furnishing…”

Those stories, where firemen get called to a McMansion to find only lawn furniture and mattresses on the floor for furnishings - those are amongst my favorite bubble stories.

Comment by bluprint
2008-08-04 19:35:30

There is a giant house on my way home. We live in a very working class country area. Some houses here are easily 75 years old or more and 50+ is common.

Anyway, there is this giant stucco box on the way home. It has a gate in the drive, but no fence. Just a gate. And no ditch to speak of. My wife might not be able to get her car across the small ditch, but even a 2wd truck with the little extra lift would easily drive into the yard.

There are a few trees along the driveway up to the house, but that’s about it for landscaping or anything to make it look like a “home”. It has the big windows in front, and the worst part is they don’t have a curtain or blinds or anything in the whole place. Every single window seems to be uncovered. The front main entry way has giant windows with corresponding windows in back. You can see clean through the house. It’s retarded.

Anyway, this thing is ridiculous. And after driving by it for several months now, every time I go by, I still think to myself “why don’t they at least get some curtains”?

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-08-04 17:34:48

The MSM will pick up on this story, the violins will start playing, the congresscritters will get outraged…yadda yadda yadda. Nobody will blame them for being stupid and greedy. No, we are a nation of “victims”.

Comment by milkcrate
2008-08-04 22:12:14

Yes, and in the eyes of ever-expanding government, everyone becomes a “client.” Of some program for victims from on high. We’ll soon see even more “clients” and “victims” (a la Mr. Obama’s wife’s frequent laments). I am not pimping for Mr. McCain here. Not bashing the touchy Princeton graduate, either.
Too many victims.
Too many programs.

 
 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-08-04 15:53:55

“Hello little lady.. So you want this house, but aren’t quite sure.. eh? Well, if you buy the house, I’ll give you something you’ll really like… this shiny new motor scooter! Vrrrooom vroooom! Would you like to go for a ride? It’s ok..Don’t be afraid…”

Comment by bluprint
2008-08-04 19:36:46

ciao!

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2008-08-04 15:54:17

” ‘Lord of the Rings, series’ ”

Good Lord, that IS rich. You know you’re in a bubble when…

Anyway developers seem to turning up dead throughout Bend.

“The develpoment wasn’t able to materialize fast enough before the market crashed” meaning I couldn’t find enough Greater Fools quick enough and hand them a lit stick of dynamite! Had I been able to palm these units off in time THEY’D be upside down, not me.

Just one more thing to love about the Boom.

Comment by kpom
2008-08-04 16:16:26

“The rise and fall of Bend’s real estate economy has resulted in foreclosure proceedings against The Shire, a village-themed concept in southeast Bend patterned after J.R.R. Tolkien’s ‘Lord of the Rings’ series.”

You cannot reach them. We tried once, yes, precious. I tried once;
but you cannot reach them. Only shapes to see, perhaps, not to touch.
No precious! All dead.

Comment by Halifax
2008-08-04 16:46:44

September 6, 1949 - July 7, 2008

Dr. Lynn McDonald, a beloved emergency room doctor, passed away in Bend on July 7, 2008.

Lynn was born …in Oklahoma City….He continued his education at the University of Oklahoma Medical School where he earned his medical degree in 1976. Following graduation, Dr. McDonald completed his residency at Truman Medical Center and boarded the SS Norway cruise ship to serve on the medical staff.

 
Comment by OCDan
2008-08-04 16:47:59

These clowns can’t see the real reason why this “dream” died.

Holy moley…$899K and up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure, that monthly nut us gonna run close to 6K/month w/taxes, HOAs, etc.

Those who can afford that are not interested in buying a Hobbit House. Sure, I think that is cute, but wouldn’t pay more than 200-250K for that, dep. on the amount of land w/house.

What fools.

Comment by Silverback1011
2008-08-04 17:20:12

I was thinking I am Lord-of-the-Rings dreamy enough to actually enjoy living at “The Shire” (after all, I was in the Tolkien Society at college for 4 years, as well as the Society for Creative Anacronism ), but after I saw the price for the house in the news article, I think they’d have to give me all of Minas Tirith ( capital of Gondor ) and Lothlorien ( where Galadriel and Celeborn live ) as an extra lot attached to the property for that kind of $$. That’s a WHOLE LOT of dragon treasure, that house is. The one house that sold was for 650,000 Dragon Ducats, according to the article, which is way more than I could afford to pay for my Hobbit Hole. Who were they going to sell these to, anyway ? Lord Aragorn after he hit the big time and won his crown ?
Wow.

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Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-08-04 18:14:32

Who let the dork in?

 
Comment by catspit1
2008-08-04 21:49:53

how we supposed to keep you out?

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-08-05 03:25:29

I knew somebody would post such a lame response. Good job!

 
 
Comment by hip in zilker
2008-08-04 20:21:02

In The Shire, will spas and salons offer toe-hair replenishment?

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-08-04 17:42:26

I know a family locally that is trying to sell their home so they can move to Bend. I laughed inwardly as I heard them complain about how ridiculously expensive the foreclosures are in Bend, even though they felt they couldn’t accept a penny less than their asking price for their own overpriced turkey here in Anchorage…

“Understand this: things are now in motion that cannot be undone. I ride for Minas Tirith!”

-Gandalf

Comment by MacAttack
2008-08-04 17:59:05

What exactly do they plan to do for a living when they move to Bend? It sure as hell won’t be commuting to Portland. It’s not exactly as though there are JOBS in Bend. Only bailing Californians who ate up their equity.

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-08-04 20:57:57

It doesn’t matter. While the grass is literally greener here, it isn’t figuratively greener but that’s why they come.

And then because of them, things like Bridgeport Village get built.

I’m really anti-Portland right now, and I don’t want to be.

 
 
Comment by Silverback1011
2008-08-04 18:19:17

Gandalf: “Confoundit’ all Samwise Gamgee, what did you hear!? Speak! ”
Sam: “Nnnnothing important. That is I heard a good deal about a ring and the dark lord, and something about the end of the world. Please sir, don’t hurt me. Don’t turn me into anything, unnatural.

I guess there was something to that rumor that the Dark Lord wanting to take over all of the real estate in the Middle Kingdom after all.

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Comment by Pondering the Mess
2008-08-05 09:44:06

“Understand this: things are now in motion that cannot be undone…”

That line is so very true and applies to this whole mess. All we can do is sit back and watch: the board is set and the pieces are moving…

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Comment by Pondering the Mess
2008-08-05 09:36:14

I guess Gollum could be considered an F’d buyer?

 
 
Comment by Betamax
2008-08-04 22:14:36

So now it’ll be modeled on Mordor instead.

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2008-08-05 09:41:21

Also, there is something eerie and not quite right about a developer wanting to recreate the Shire from “The Lord of the Rings” and then developers turning up dead in the area… anyone who read the Lord of the Rings knows that things did not end well at all in the Shire: the Ringwraiths showed up first, and then Saruman the White trashed the place, ironically in an effort to “develop” it.

Maybe the doomed developers ended up with more of the Shire than they expected? Anyone check the bodies for strange wounds from a Morgul Blade?

 
 
Comment by climber
2008-08-04 15:58:58

“Today, the Kroons rent a four-bedroom, two-bath home in Nampa’s Royal Meadows subdivision for $895 a month. ‘My children and my husband hate it because it so much smaller, but I’m grateful for the cover,’ Jenni Kroon said.”

At least one person in the family can count their blessings. A roof that doesn’t leak and running hot water is more than a lot of the world’s population gets.

Comment by turnoutthelights
2008-08-04 16:19:24

A non-denial denial. Just as she didn’t say whether her family was ‘grateful for the cover’, she didn’t say that didn’t ‘hate it’.

 
Comment by OCDan
2008-08-04 16:49:46

Climber you make an excellent point.

Whenever any of us heads to the pity party, remember this…

2/3s of the world is starving and/or jobless at any given moment.

We have much to be thankful for.

The problem is our priorities and demands are outta whack!

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-08-04 17:32:12

No kidding, Dan.

Right now, I’m living in a house without a functioning refrigerator, and you know what? I’m not bothered at all. The now-deceased fridge was 17 years old, and it had been sending distress signals for quite some time. It finally kicked the bucket on Saturday.

I feel lucky enough to live in a place where I have numerous choices for a replacement fridge, and, get this, I can even buy a small one that suits my slender needs for food storage. Found such a fridge at Lowes this morn, and I’m going to go back and pay in full for it tomorrow.

Right now, I’m pretending that I’m on an extended backpacking trip, and that means eating food that requires no refrigeration. I’m not suffering at all.

Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2008-08-04 18:19:21

Slim,
If your Lowes is like our Lowes, they will probably meet you and roll out the red carpet the second you drive up. An actual real-live customer. Something they probably haven’t seen since the bubble popped!

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-08-04 17:03:56

Right now they’re saving $1,205 a month on shelter - I wonder how much of that gets saved?

 
Comment by BW
2008-08-04 19:30:13

Wow. They were forced to downgrade to a 4-bedroom house? How absolutely, utterly tragic. I’m sitting here crying thinking about their sacrifice. When will this madness end? How will the US get through a series of tragedies of this magnitude? *violins*

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2008-08-04 16:44:15

“Miran said the loan officer rushed her through the closing process, sending her a 2-inch- thick stack of documents while she was out of town on business. ”

How is that “rushing her”? If she’s too stupid to read the docs in her hotel room, that’s her own d*mn fault.

I have personally experienced a loan officer trying to rush me through documents, at the last signing I attended in fact; she first tried the “just sign here here and here, on the pages with post-its” bit, then started acting increasingly exasperated as I started methodically going through the docs, reviewing the details.

After a few loud sighs from her, I finally put down the docs, looked her in the eye, and said “Look, you may not be used to this, but I intend to read ALL of this before signing it, or I’m not signing. Now, if you don’t want to sit here for the next couple of hours while I do that, I’d be glad to go over them in a conference room and bring them back to you when I’m done. Or you can just sit here with me. Whatever works for you.”

She gave me the conference room. :-)

Comment by maus
2008-08-05 04:15:52

I did something similar with my first house closing. I had them ship me the docs a few days before closing, so I had time to review them and to have anything changed that wasn’t what we agreed to, there were a few items that had to be changed. When the closing came I let them know that I was going to go page by page and I would not sign anything that wasn’t in the loan papers I had received earlier. Needless to say they weren’t happy but I did get the time needed to do things my way.

 
 
Comment by MacAttack
2008-08-04 17:52:57

Meanwhile, back in Sacramento, source population for much of the Pacific Northwest… This is downright staggering.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_oqQI_LytgCE/SJFFPOIojpI/AAAAAAAAAuA/5cmxOasCIvQ/s1600-h/HistorySacramentoPrices1987-Jun2008.JPG

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-08-04 20:45:52

great graph!

Also demonstrates how prices can remain flat/down for a decade (’90-’00). Prices then almost tripled in 5 years. Could the median go back to $125K?

 
Comment by WhatOnceWas
2008-08-04 20:49:03

Sorry if a repeat…No time to read today.

Atl-A the next shoe…contagion continues….

http://finance.yahoo.com/loans/article/105504/Housing-Lenders-Fear-Bigger-Wave-of-Loan-Defaults;_ylt=Anaisgz699QgiEgxZniuQcK7YWsA

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-08-04 21:00:10

So, if this graph is any barometer of “best time to buy”, it would be when defaults peak, eh?

 
 
Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-08-04 20:13:47

if your wife thinks you’re cheap - link her to this blog !

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2008-08-05 09:08:31

“‘It basically destroyed my life financially, but that’s the price of a dream,’ Meyers said. ‘The development wasn’t able to materialize fast enough before the market crashed.’”

Somehow, this nonsensical, insane mix of optimism and accepted doom sums it all up. The price of a dream is to be ruined… great!

 
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