A Housing Hurricane In California
Reuters reports on California. “New foreclosures more than tripled in Los Angeles in July from a year ago, with more than $2 billion of mortgages turning sour in Los Angeles alone, PropertyShark said. The number of newly scheduled auctions of foreclosed properties in Los Angeles County rose 249 percent to 5,982 from July 2007. Los Angeles saw foreclosure activity start to spread to wealthier areas, such as Malibu, Santa Monica, and Manhattan Beach, according to the report.”
“‘We are still in the middle of a housing hurricane where foreclosure activity remains high, home prices have declined, and the number of sales transactions has fallen dramatically,’ said CEO Bill Staniford.”
The Voice of San Diego. “As much as one-quarter of the single-family homes in foreclosure in California have renters occupying them, according to an estimate from the California Apartment Association. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill into law in July to extend the amount of time such tenants are given before they must vacate the house from 30 days to 60 days.”
“Homeowners who live in their house are only entitled to three days once the bank has repossessed the house before they’re evicted. Tenants get at least 60 days to stay there, and they don’t have to pay rent.”
“‘Even though it’s bad, it’s really not as bad as it sounds,’ said local attorney Steven Kellman, who runs the Tenants Legal Center. ‘It’s kind of a soft landing. Some of them actually think of it as a benefit, because they can save up their rent.’”
“Kellman has seen a spike in calls from tenants whose landlords are in foreclosure, he said. Kellman attributed that trend to significant appreciation in the housing market this decade, where homeowners bought second or third or fifth properties with hopes of renting them out.”
“‘We had new landlords, novice landlords, coming in and going out — they get to hold their property for two, three years,’ he said. ‘But they were just visiting the land of landlords.’”
The Fontana Herald News. “The Riverside/San Bernardino metropolitan area ranked second in the country in the percentage of properties with foreclosure filings, RealtyTrac said. There were 43,600 foreclosures in the Inland Empire in the second quarter”
“Fontana has been hit very hard by the difficulties in the real estate market, but Roberto Tavarez, district manager of R & R Home Lending in Fontana, said he believes ‘the biggest hit has already been taken.’”
“Tavarez said that after the tremendous plunge in home prices during the past two years, buyers are now ready to check out the market again. ‘This is probably one of the best times to buy,’ he said. ‘Prices are basically at rock bottom. The situation has stabilized at this point.’”
“Some houses that were once in the $400,000 range are down in the $200,000s, he said.”
The Visalia Times Delta. “There have been more than 1,000 home foreclosures in the last three months in Tulare County, leaving once-full neighborhoods blotted with abandoned houses. Tracking down the former occupants isn’t always helpful. Many during the mortgage crisis have simply walked away from their homes, say real estate and community development officials.”
“Most houses in foreclosure come up with the banks as owners. Many are out-of-state banks, and some are outside the country, said Tim Burns, neighborhood preservation manager for the city of Visalia. ‘It can seem like nobody is willing to accept responsibility for a property within this [foreclosure] process,’ Burns said.”
“Dave and Pat Griepsma watched helplessly as weeds on their neighbor’s Visalia property climbed to the home’s back windows and took over the front yard.”
“The home in the 3900 block of East Oak Avenue has been vacant for two years. The for-sale sign was long gone and the owner - they knew his first name only - was nowhere to be found.”
“‘We didn’t know who to call,’ Pat Griepsma said recently.”
The Manteca Bulletin. “There were 515 completed transactions made through the MLS in Manteca as of July 29 within the city limits. That number translates into an annual sales pace of 895 homes. But if you look at the past two months when sales accelerated sharply, the market actually is on pace to reach the 1,050 mark.”
“That is more homes than what had been sold through the MLS for the previous two years when 402 homes were sold in Manteca in 2007 and 627 homes in 2006.”
“The median sales price of those 515 homes is $260,205 or the same it was in mid-2002. Prices of existing resale homes peaked in Manteca when they registered a median price of $429,000.”
“But that doesn’t reflect the quirkiness of some foreclosure sales - homes that need a lot of work. Back in 2002 with a strong market, the homes considered less desirable still held value in a reasonable relationship with the middle of the market.”
“Now with the sub-$250,000 market driving Manteca and more forecloses becoming available each day, banks are pricing those less desirable homes extremely aggressive to make sure they don’t linger. It has effectively driven prices of such homes back into the late 1990s levels.”
“Eight out of every 10 homes in Manteca are selling under duress. There are 457 existing homes currently available for sale in Manteca. That number includes 178 bank owned homes, 170 short sales, and 109 homes not under duress.”
The Fremont Bulletin. “Alameda County Assessor Ron Thomsen has delivered the 2008-2009 gross local assessment roll of $207.2 billion, reflecting a $9.6 billion increase, 4.87 percent above last year’s assessment roll.”
“‘The 2008-09 assessment roll accurately reflects assessments of more than 490,000 taxable properties including the 44,212 properties that were provided reduced assessments due to recent market value declines,’ Thomsen said.”
“Those reductions in assessed value totaled $3.1 billion.”
The Press Democrat. “Dozens of homeowners in Del Webb’s Clover Springs retirement community in Cloverdale are suing the developer, saying their homes have leaks, cracks, mold and other problems caused by faulty construction. The defects will cost millions to repair, according to the lawsuit filed last month (July) in Sonoma County Superior Court.”
“‘It’s like they just threw these places together,’ said Laureen Emmons, who has lived in Clover Springs with her husband Bob since 2000. ‘The floor keeps cracking.’”
“Clover Springs, which opened in 1998, is Cloverdale’s largest residential subdivision, with 362 single-family homes and about 650 residents. Del Webb developed the 175-acre subdivision during the housing boom of the late 1990s, said Fred Adelman, a Santa Monica attorney representing the homeowners.”
“‘It was a hot market and they wanted to take advantage of it,’ he said. ‘They cut the construction time and quality was compromised.’”
“It will cost at least $100,000 per home to fix the defects, he said.”
“Willo(cq) Rose, a real estate agent who lives in Clover Springs, said her house has problems with mold and one of the windows is cracking. ‘If I were to sell the house I’d have to replace the linoleum,’ she said.”
“Summer’s still swinging, but parents are already dragging their kids to local retailers in search of back-to-school bargains that won’t break household budgets already rattled by the recession.”
“Lanette Zootis, a real estate agent in Windsor, said the soft housing market has been tough on her family and caused her to do everything she can to ’squirrel away money for a rainy day.’ Ironically, that means more shopping, not less, as she hunts harder for the best deals.”
“‘It’s not so much that we have financial problems, but the job stability is just not there,’ she said.”
“Zootis was back-to-school shopping with her daughters at the Meryvns department store in Santa Rosa last week when her 8-year-old Karley rejected some clothes as ’so totally not my style.’”
“‘It’s on sale,’ Zootis replied. ‘It’s so totally your style.’”
The Bakersfield Californian. “The state Department of Real Estate wrapped up its arguments Monday in the mortgage fraud proceedings against David Crisp and Carl Cole, but not before fleshing out some details in the case.”
“Joe Carrillo, a senior deputy commissioner with the Department of Real Estate, testified he wore a wire for the FBI while interviewing Cole at a real estate office in May 2007.”
“Former Crisp, Cole & Associates employee Janie ‘JJ’ Stockton received at least $20,000 from Crisp in exchange for using her name as the purchaser on loan documents, Carrillo said.”
“‘She signed everything that David Crisp gave her to sign,’ Carrillo testified.”
“During cross-examination…Carrillo said Gary Crabtree brought discrepancies in the values of properties to the department’s attention. Crabtree, an appraiser, said Monday afternoon in a phone interview that he wrote a letter about ‘transactional anomalies’ to the Bakersfield Association of Realtors’ executive committee.”
“Former Tower Lending employee Jayson Costa testified that both Cole and Crisp knew he wasn’t a licensed broker. He was encouraged to get his license, but during the boom, ‘there was such a backlog at the state to get people licenses,’ he said.”
“Costa now lives in Lompoc and works at a Dodge dealership.”
“Luke Martin of the Department of Real Estate testified that when he interviewed Crisp in 2005, the real estate salesman brought magazine articles that detailed his success - the private jet, the designer clothes, the fancy cars.”
“During a hearing recess, Costa said he missed the real estate business. ‘I know Carl and David are getting in trouble. A lot of other people benefited from this boom. We just made more money than everybody else,’ Costa said.”
The County Sun. “Something you can expect to read about more, here and elsewhere, is the opportunity exporting provides businesses of all sizes in helping to push us out of recession.”
“Larry Sharp, president and chief operating officer of Arrowhead Credit Union, and Lori Van Arsdale, a city council member in Hemet, dropped by the newspaper Monday morning to talk about a major conference that’s taking place in Palm Springs in October to encourage small- and medium-size businesses in particular to take advantage of export opportunities.”
“‘Long term, we have to get out of our dependence on housing to drive our economy,’ Sharp said.”
“New foreclosures more than tripled in Los Angeles in July from a year ago, with more than $2 billion of mortgages turning sour in Los Angeles alone,…”
And that’s just for six houses. At LA prices, 2 billion in foreclosures doesn’t elicit much more than a yawn.
That’s 5,982 houses. Not bad for one month.
“It’s but a flesh wound.”
I was making a joke.
“Kellman has seen a spike in calls from tenants whose landlords are in foreclosure, he said. Kellman attributed that trend to significant appreciation in the housing market this decade, where homeowners bought second or third or fifth properties with hopes of renting them out.”
I am wondering if there is a good way to identify landlords who might be soon facing foreclosure? I am thinking that two months free rent might be a very attractive offset to the hassle of moving out of a deadbeat landlord’s foreclosed flip home.
“‘We had new landlords, novice landlords, coming in and going out — they get to hold their property for two, three years,’ he said. ‘But they were just visiting the land of landlords.’”
And now they are visiting Joshua Tree National Park.
This is also becoming a huge problem in Tucson. In fact, I just heard a local radio station interviewing a candidate for our state legislature. The candidate referred to the “buy the property, then don’t pay the mortgage” landlords in less than flattering terms.
“buy the property, then don’t pay the mortgage” landlords
Unfortunately he doesn’t get it either. They did not buy the property, they signed an iou or lease from the bank that allowed them to own the property when they met the terms of the iou or lease. When I buy things like groceries, clothes, etc I own them.
The expression in quotes was mine, not the candidates. Sorry if I left the wrong impression.
“And now they are visiting Joshua Tree National Park.”
Is that where Carlton Sheets is living these days? I haven’t seen any of his infomercials for a while.
‘But they were just visiting the land of landlords.’
Things are only going to get worse for the accidental landlords. Compotent, experienced, and prepared landlords should be able to mop the floor with them soon. Kellman sounds right, two to three years is the max that an accidental landlord can hold it together.
Two years?!? You think they can hold it together for two years?
The jenius buyers during this bubble? The ones with the less common “j-” spelling of genius?!?
You’re generally on target, my good man, but you make me giggle uncontrollably.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
Faster,
Well 2 years staring in mid ‘06. Tick, tick, tick..
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No one and half years only. Prices peaked in Jan’07. Three years’ gains have been wiped out in 1.5 years. The gains in the four years prior have still to be given back over the next two years.
Jas
Don’t underestimate the power of denial, FPSS. I’m watching two former neighbors and one friend try their hand at being a landlord.
In each case I’ve seen a common approach - find a tenant, sign them up for a year, and then forget about it. If, during the course of the year, anyone asks about it they just reply: “I could sell it today, but I have to wait until the lease is up”.
One has pulled this up for two lease renewals, and the other two for one lease renewal - but 2006-2008 was a lot easier than 2008-2010 will be.
there was an article yesterday in a city of nashua, nh daily about evictions thats part of a week long series on the current state of renting. an established landlord with over 200 apartments, lost $450,000 in rent payments over the last year. that doesn’t include repairs for damage that is inflicted by the tenants before they are forced out by the deputy sherifs. the tenants, after eviction, are allowed 28 days to store their stuff within the same apartment at no charge.
And your point is……
Phoenix area rental fraud:
“… A backyard pool was one of the many reasons Matt Reeves and his family thought a Peoria home was ideal.
It was listed for rent on Craigslist and Reeves said he corresponded via e-mail with the alleged owners… ”
http://www.kpho.com/news/17092247/detail.html
I think what’s happening is that the Alt-As are starting to be foreclosed. That means richer tenants who have access to information and know how to ask for help. I’ve had almost 500 hits in the last two weeks on my Tenants and Foreclosure blog.
If you think California’s bad, look at this article on tenant victims of foreclosure in Nevada
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jul/27/when-renter-pays-owner-doesnt-youre-out-tenant/
Also I disagree with Kellman. Tenants do get their security deposits back, either from the lender or the former landlord. In that respect a foreclosure is like any other sale. (This is true only in California, though, because of the way our security deposit law was written.)
The lender in CA does not have to give the tenant their security deposit back. If the house is sold to a new landlord, however, then the new LL is responsible for the security deposit.
Which is why the lender is going to kick the tenant out, like yesterday. Who is going to want to buy a house with the tenant still there?
Maybe another landlord?
“Carreon and his family moved in soon after that meeting. They’d lived there for just a few months when a detective from the Oceanside Police Department fraud unit knocked on their door. The detective told Carreon there was a search warrant out for the man he’d rented the house from. The man, Bob Decker, was suspected of stealing a college student’s identity and buying the house in the student’s name without his knowledge.”
I suppose whoever made the loan saw no potential problems with a college student taking out a mortgage?
“Carreon, the tenant in the Oceanside house, convinced Countrywide, his lender, to let him stay in the house at least until he testifies in the court case in the next couple of months. His wife and kids have left the state to stay with family.”
Now it is crystal clear.
From the original post:
“‘It’s like they just threw these places together,’ said Laureen Emmons, who has lived in Clover Springs with her husband Bob since 2000. ‘The floor keeps cracking.’”
Sorry to say, Laureen, but that’s just what they did.
They were built to be sold, not to actually be lived in.
This is kind of an eye-opener for me. In all of our property searches since the formation of the bubble my wife and I did everything we could to eliminate anything that was built “during” the bubble. As have many of you for the very same reasons.
Well, we always kind of worked off the basic premise that any home built prior to say… 2000 was, “in the clear”. Evidently not. And with as quickly as these were rushed to market I find it’s more support for an earlier bubble than most care to admit?
DinOR,
I can’t remember if you’re in PDX or Salem. But I routinely see townhomes circa 94-97 with scaffolding around them in Portland.
Typically someone finds mold in one unit and the fun begins. A large building in the Pearl was this way and the one at NE 11th and Broadway was the same.
Houses here need to breathe. Instead, they’ve mostly Tyvekked the hell outta them to make them airtight so no moisture gets in. Well here it ALWAYS gets in to some degree.
I wouldn’t buy a place here built after 1960…
sleepless_near_seattle,
Actually I’m much closer to Salem but I get your point. If you’ve driven through Beaverton etc. you see a LOT of homes being re-sided and it doesn’t seem ‘anything’ works all that well here? I’ve also talked with people more expert than myself saying that we really shouldn’t even be building year round here. Especially with the particle board we use for sheathing. From what I’m told once it gets wet, it STAYS wet.
One of our other and equally great objections was that there is SO much pressure on sellers from that time frame. In fact we’ve gone so far as to say we prefer not to look at anything that was Bought, Built or Re-Fi’d from 2000 on! Whether they over paid initially, or bought right and THEN over paid by taking equity out, it’s a mess we can live without. The const. worries just seal the deal.
Construction defect lawsuits will be booming for years after this bubble fully runs its course. Near my place (rental) there are two four-story condo buildings that sat for well over one year. No stucco, no Tyvex, just framed up and covered with OSB (what many here call particle board). They were exposed to all four seasons, with summers running in the high 80s-100. The builder has since got them stuccoed and painted, but the interior is still rough framing. Tell me these buildings won’t be a disaster! That’s if they are ever completed and sold.
Wife and I will be looking at 1950s-60s construction. They aren’t indestructible, but I figure that they have lasted a hell of a lot longer than all this bubble crap ever will.
“They were exposed to all four seasons…”
Oh yeah, we saw tons of that going on when mapping new subdivisions: partially completed houses with rainwater, and even snow, allowed to stand on unfinished floors for weeks and even months on end. That’s what happens with assembly line construction during a boom.
FYI the bubble in that area started about 1997/1998, before the bubble in most places. It was driven by the tech bubble - Cloverdale is the northern portion of a mini “telecom valley” around Santa Rosa / Petaluma. The bubble paused some in 2000/2001 when tech busted, then took off again shortly after.
This has come up here before, and I’m glad it’s still being considered. I think 10 years from know, buyers will avoid buying homes built between 2002 and 2007, because they’re likely to be of much lower quality.
There’s a house like that in the next block. It was built cheap and fast, then put on the market for a lofty price.
And it sat there.
I’m pretty sure that no sale happened, and that it’s now being rented “until the market improves.” Let’s just say that the property owner could be doing a better job of taking care of the place.
The worst case I’ve seen: Plastic-coated foam- formed interior trim used as a cheap subsitute during paneling installations - used as exterior window trim. 6 months out it had curled along its long axis, peeling the paint with it. The homeowner I talked with had zero idea that the material was junk. He thought the kid he had washing his windows was responsible!
“Long term, we have to get out of our dependence on housing to drive our economy, Sharp said”
Larry, you’re not alone and you don’t have to be in the middle of a desert for that to apply to you. We could ALL use a dose of that cold hard reality. Thanks for saying it in public!
How does one successfully recruit “exporting” businesses to the middle of the desert?
Although….there might be a large market for exporting Joshua Trees….
Snowman,
Agreed. I remember around fall of ‘03 some guy selling “leads” was cold calling me from the IE. He was going on about it like no one outside of SoCal had ever heard of it before? When I pressed him about what core industries they might have the only thing he could identify was how much cheaper it is than L.A!
So basically it’s an “Empire” of bedroom communities where people have lengthy commutes just to find non-retail type work?
They’re called “bedsheet communities” …. he who owns McMansion cannot afford drapes.
Well, as long as the drapes match the curtains, it’s all good, right?
“bedsheet communities” LOL!
Hey, if the shoe fits? But seriously it’s hardly just the IE that’s struggling to justify their existence, and that’s my whole point. Hand in glove with that is the wussy attitudes of a lot of REIC chumps that are now in secretive fashion dragging their heels with their poison message of “It’s a really tough economy out there”. ( Or my favorite ) “It’s a really weird economy out there”.
“Tough” defined as the Free Money/ATM dried up and if I can’t have THAT then there’s nothing WORTH having! Then again we’ve long predicted that here as well. When you hear that from ‘those’ people know they are in the depression stage.
“Well, as long as the drapes match the curtains, it’s all good, right?”
Well, the new style is to go without “drapes.”
Would that be prepubescent window dressing?
I used to call this “leading the Ramen noodle lifestyle”.
“Zootis was back-to-school shopping with her daughters at the Meryvns department store in Santa Rosa last week when her 8-year-old Karley rejected some clothes as ’so totally not my style.’”
Funny, I don’t remember having any say in what I wore at 8 years old nor did I really care.
Good thing I don’t have any kids, let alone one like that.
My response would have been, “You want something your style? Get a summer job, earn some money and buy it yourself.”
She’s 8. She can’t get a job.
You must be a guy, because I was choosing my own clothes at age 5.
LOL, Big V. It must be a girl thing. When I was 8 we shopped second-hand, but I was very opinionated about what I would wear.
Well, THAT certainly explains a lot…
Come to think of it, I was mostly dressed in poofy white, pink, or glittery dresses, except when I had to wear hand-me-downs from my icky brother. I don’t know why they even bother making clothes for little girls that aren’t white, pink, or glittery dressses at all.
Or maybe yellow.
WOW choosing clothes at 5. I never even entertained that notion until it was on my dime at around 14 /babysitting money. Later as a parent of four kids I thought it made a bunch of sense and that’s what my kids dealt with. All had jobs in high school. All had the same school clothes budget. All supplemented with their own money to ‘upgrade’ (that is if it passed inspection). Funny, after college they never wanted to move back home.
I was so totally not a fashionista-kid.
Ooyaah. At 8 I wore JCPenney jeans (Levi’s didn’t even exist), black high top Keds and a white t-shirt. Standard 24 hr gear. And a black, crown top lunch box. That was livin’!
I think I might’ve still been sportin’ Toughskins!!
I remember getting beat up because I wore Toughskins. I remember telling my mom and dad that if I had Levis I wouldn’t get beat up.
My dad must have decided that it would be cheaper and I’d learn to fight if he kept buying Toughskins.
Toughskins also had that deal if the jeans wore out in a year they’d give you something like 50% off the next pair. So as soon as you outgrew them mom sent you outside to trash them. Then off to Sears. Parents probably only paid full price for two pairs of jeans for me as a kid.
I thought Levi’s were invented during the gold rush. How old are you, anyway?
LOL!
“Ooyaah. At 8 I wore JCPenney jeans (Levi’s didn’t even exist), black high top Keds and a white t-shirt. Standard 24 hr gear. And a black, crown top lunch box. That was livin’!”
Same here, and don’t forget the “Pacific Trail” blue windbreaker with the fake white fur lining in the winter months!! LOL
I find these days when I’m dressing weekend casual, I don’t give a s**t how “out of tyle” my look looks…and frankly, I don’t really want to know or hang out with anyone in the shallow ass “Fashion Cop” croud anyway.
DOC
If you ever watch Disney Channel at all, you’ll see the sense of entitlement that’s projected on virtually all their shows…..’little princesses’ being totally the norm, so yes, 8 yr. olds do know what’s in style and whine until they get them.
Walt must be spinning in his grave!
Right, and it’s easy to pick on 8 y.o little girls. What grinds me is the Standard Issue “I’m a successfully retired ( but still totally hip ) _oomer” uniform 50 and 60 y.o men seem to insist on?
Am I the only poster here who’s retired dad wore coverall’s, flannel shirt and army boots every day he was “retired”? You know ( just in case he had to roll up his sleeves and fix something? ) Oh and don’t forget the frumpled, non-descript ball cap!
Are you referring to those dorky Dockers that men over 40 seem to wear? I insist that my husband wear pants without pleats.
Don’t forget those dorky loafers with the little tassles on them…
And apparently pants without balls, too…
God I ‘wish’! No I was referring to the “I’d rather be fishing” garb so popular among the CA retirees in OR. Old Navy shorts just like the kids ( no matter HOW chilly ) subdued Hawaiian shirt, sandals ( regardless of setting ) cell phone in holder and thinning pony tail. Bandana or floppy logo ball cap optional.
Typically spotted attending one of our many ‘fests’.
Feed the man some Viagra, it’ll help take the pleats out of his pants…
Hah, I didn’t know pants came with balls. A lot of them seem to come with dumpy butts. Okay, “insist” was a bit harsh. How about “prefer”? Gotta control my language.
If that’s how the little brat is at 8, can you imagine the teenage years?
A couple of years ago, there was a viral video that circulated the net. It was a family video of Christmas, where a ~16 year-old girl was being presented with a brand new BMW. Then she starts balling and yelling at her father because it was the wrong color–with the mom chimming in, “Harold (or whatever, how could you?!?” And then screaming at the son to turn the video camera off.
All I could think was what a b####! When I was a teenager I was glad to be able to drive the ten year-old station wagon. Not that I didn’t envy the kids whose parents gave them new BMWs and the like (I grew up in Marin).
Anyway, that little 8 year-old needs an attitude adjustment.
But ,just think about how these young kids are brainwashed from day one to want the next thing the fashion industry is peddling . Kids want to fit in with their peer groups and being a oddball can get you a lot of hell . The advertisers have discovered that advertising works .
Lets face it ,the market-makers create desire ,even if the item is junk . I could never understand why someone would want to pay a high price for a perfume for instance ,just because it had some Stars name attached to it . Or what about the people who buy inflated on price condos with Trumps name attached to it .
I guess value is subjective to every person .
you are correct to a large degree. Brands today are 99% perception/image and 1% ture cost. Rolex is a good example. Or any pseudo high end watch brands.
On the other hand - poverty is not really a virtue.
People that post here and say ” oh, back in the day we lived without this and that, didn’t take trips, my parents had it tight…” seem to think that tis somehow gives them a moral superiority, an edge of sorts. No dice…If you could have you would have, but you couldn’t, so you didn’t.
Maybe.
What happened to parents just saying no? I heard the word no a lot when I was a kid. I have no problem saying no to my nieces and nephews. When my niece or nephew don’t understand the word “No” the first time, I will ask them what part of “No” didn’t they understand the “N” or the “O”. Parents need to say the word more often. It gets easier everytime you say NO.
Her mother is/was a Used House Salesperson…
They’re not medicating children for that condition yet…
There’s no reason for kids to be forced into ugly clothes. The mom/dad can GET A JOB and buy their kids decent attire, methinks. It’s not a BMW, it’s an outfit. An ugly one.
Ha Big V, you’re on a roll.
I had to wear mostly my older brothers clothes. But things were tight with 5 boys and 2 girls. But still, I preferred the comfortable stuff to nice things anyway. I even sometimes wore shirts wrong side out cuz the softer part was that way. Once when I was 8, my dad took me and my younger brother out for some fast food. He tells my brother, ‘that’s a nice shirt you have on there Aaron.’ Typical of a kid, I say ‘what about my shirt?’ Dad says, ‘that’s a nice potato sack you have there Ben.’
“Dad says, ‘that’s a nice potato sack you have there Ben.’”
LOL
All Summer long it was t-shirts, jeans and converse tennis shoes as a kid. I’d get home after a long day of harball with my buds and my Dad would say, “Hey Johnny, you smell tired.”
DOC
One summer, I forget which, my brother and I managed to go the entire span without putting on shoes once, except for church, of course. Man we had tough feet that year.
Hey Ben,
bet the skates that you had a key for to adjust the sizing, was tough on your feet that summer!
Ever watched MTV’s Sweet 16. Now, that’s over the top. Unfortunately, these girls will go through 3 -5 divorces in their lifetime. Potential husbands beware!
Essany Cafe in Niles is now offering a “Recession Special” on Tuesday nights.
Is your coffee served in a tin cup?
“Zootis was back-to-school shopping with her daughters at the Meryvns department store in Santa Rosa last week when her 8-year-old Karley rejected some clothes as ’so totally not my style.’”
“‘It’s on sale,’ Zootis replied. ‘It’s so totally your style.’”
New Series on Discovery Channel: When Moms Attack!!
I guess the latest fad is to refer to houses as “opportunities”
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/rfs/782839247.html
Palo Alto is drowning in Kool-Aid.
I always love the newish marketing line “Offered at $x,xxx,xxx”
Oh, gee, thanks for doing me the favor! I don’t know what I’d do if you hadn’t done so!
Well that’s nice, but my offer is $2xx,xxx.00,
oh, wait………make that $1xx,xxx.
That’s my final offer.
What I think is funny is when you watch some of these home shows and a buyer just comes unglued about some cheap ceiling fan not being to their liking or the color of a room ,yet when the inspection comes in and they find out they have to put a new roof on or something expensive they go along with it .
That show called “What is My House Worth “,is really funny . The real estate agent will tell the homeowner the exact amount more they will get for any improvement .Like if someone put in a deck for
3k ,the real estate person will say ,”Oh what a nice improvement ,you will get back 6k for that .” What a joke .
Heh… not new here in L.A. Relitters have been using that term for ages. Also see “upside potential”
That is pretty funny. I grew up there, but was priced out a good thirty years ago.
The ad says, “Two distinct entrances are provided…”
Shall I tell you what they are?
LOL
I also have an MBA. Does that entitle me to a discount? -
Bakersfried:
“Costa now lives in Lompoc and works at a Dodge dealership.”
I’m certain the word “Dodge” has brought new meaning to Mr. Costa.
This one must be a joke. Look a the picture of the unrealtoR. It matches the music perfectly.
http://www.bluskyemedia.com/client/sugr/estralita/tour.html
She doesn’t look very happy.
Do Hindu’s not eat bran or something?
With a surname like Kaur, she’s from the Punjab as in Sikh.
In multiple senses of the word.
Per Wiki, Punjab is 60% Sikh, 40% Hindu.
With a surname like Kaur, I assure you, she’s 100% Sikh.
Indeed FPSS - anyone named either Singh or Kaur is Seikh.
Nah…just subliminal meditation
My favorite part: “MOLDNGN”.
When read phonetically I think “moldnign” might be perjorative term.
Did they take enough pictures of the living room? I’d just take photos of the view from the back and leave it at that.
“Dave and Pat Griepsma watched helplessly as weeds on their neighbor’s Visalia property climbed to the home’s back windows and took over the front yard.”
Any reason they couldn’t mow the neighbor’s lawn?
They’re helpless against WEEDS? Wow.
Come now, JoJo. They (or the sympathetic article) can’t claim victim status if they did that. Haven’t you learned anything?
I think the real estate agent and the loan agent that was involved in the foreclosure should keep the property clean for two years ,cut the lawn ,pay for the water ,paint the house ,etc. until the house is sold
as penalty for sitting up a bad deal . No forget it ,chain gains pulling weeds along the highways ,in the hot sun ,would be more fitting .
I got into a major battle with one of those creep real estate sales people today . They are e-v-i-l .
What happened? Was he 8?
Question for those following N. Cal:
When I would visit in 95-98, it seemed like Cisco was buying every small biz they could get their hands on, from Novato to Santa Rosa.
Is Cisco still a big player there or has the area largely relied on selling property to equity refugees from Southern California the last few years?
If you’re referring to Cisco Systems, a close friend (and his three partners) sold their company to them in the late 1990s. Alas, it wasn’t too long before the tech bubble went blooey.
While they were golden handcuffed in the employ of Cisco, their stock options went down, down, down. But my friend and his buddies had a sense of humor. They developed a program called Sharp Stick* to track the decline of Cisco’s share price in real time.
*As in, the news is better than a sharp stick in the eye.
“The number of newly scheduled auctions of foreclosed properties in Los Angeles County rose 249 percent to 5,982 from July 2007.”
Job opportunities here for out of work actors, motivational speakers, life coaches car salesmen and others. LA is the land of shills.
Here in Thousand Oaks CA, things seem to be stuck.
Anything close to “move-in” condition priced below $300/ft sells in about a week, sometimes with multiple offers. Anything over $300/ft sits, unless it is a really small house (1,000 sqft or less) and the overall price is in the $300,000’s.
It’s been this way for the last 6-9 months…..
same in Newbury Park - million dollar houses everywhere…..
not really budging from the (fradulent & speculant) peak
$M houses? Dos Vientos is about the biggest eyesore of a PUD yet. Use to live/own there. Hated it.
Now renting in T.O. (aka Van Nuys West)
No, Newbury Park is also being kilt:
http://www4.onboardnavigator.com/webcontent/OBWC_report.aspx?&AID=108&CD_SID=HS001&RTID=7&RID=26805&Frame=0&Height=600&Width=600&AgentEmail=&AgentID=&SearchID=1&LSID=6&STEXT=91320&STYPE=3&STEXTOPT=&STYPEOPT=-1&STEXTOPT2=&STYPEOPT2=-1&ITID=-1&SITID=-1&PassBackValues=&NHood=&Market=&TaxID=&County5=&PropertyType=-1&TransactionType=-1
Big V -
you sure would not know it from the houses sold in Dos Vientos as mentioned by “awaiting…” - interesting that s/he is renting in TO now…
Seems about right. In Merced, averages are running slightly over $100/sf. Lots of real nice homes (REO’s) selling below 200K. Of course, incomes are 45K a household, so it’s still tight.
I don’t think it “seems about right” as you said.
Compared to Merced, the problem in the TO area is it has twice the household income but 3-4 times the average house cost.
Give me 4.5 times ($200k/$45k = 4.5 times in you Merced example) the median household income as a price for a decent house in TO and I’d buy, unfortunately there aren’t any out here….
What do you mean “lots”?
I still just don’t understand where all this demand comes from. At any price. Do people really move that often? Are there really that many new buyers?
Why is everyone so unhappy? Is a house (or a bigger house) really just another thing people fill their empty lives with?
According to my source, TO house prices are in steep decline.
http://www6.onboardnavigator.com/webcontent/OBWC_report.aspx?&AID=108&CD_SID=HS001&RTID=9&RID=26805|6050|13235|31056|&Frame=0&Height=600&Width=600&AgentEmail=&AgentID=&SearchID=1&LSID=6&STEXT=THOUSAND%20OAKS&STYPE=1&STEXTOPT=&STYPEOPT=-1&STEXTOPT2=&STYPEOPT2=-1&ITID=-1&SITID=-1&PassBackValues=&NHood=&Market=&TaxID=&County5=&PropertyType=-1&TransactionType=-1
i live in Npark. My trulia search in Toaks, for 0-500K, 3+BR and 2+Ba has 88 listed and 60 of which are foreclosures.
I do see some homes selling with out coming on MLS.
Fidelity nationals foreclosure listing hs 80+ scheduled for foreclosure (this may have common listings with trulia)
JohnF,
I guess you haven’t been to upscale Westlake Village, where prices are dropping like a rock. I live in the Village Homes tract and prices have fallen more than 30% from the peak, with nothing selling until prices are reduced to the high 6s and low 7s (in what was median $1.1M at the peak).
Or maybe you just spew this same pumper nonsense about Thousand Oaks, home of the biggest concentration of Amgen and Countrywide ex-employees in the world and little else in the way of job strength, every time you spy a California piece on the blog.
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“The Riverside/San Bernardino metropolitan area ranked second in the country in the percentage of properties with foreclosure filings, RealtyTrac said. There were 43,600 foreclosures in the Inland Empire in the second quarter”
It wasn’t too long ago that City of San Bernardino was second in the US in violent crimes (per 1,000). That is why I was flabbergasted when the home prices tripled there.
Jas
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“Some houses that were once in the $400,000 range are down in the $200,000s, he said.”
I bet that they were in $100,000s during 1995-2000. In Riverside/SB the prices are merely back to where they were in Jan’04. We have long ways to track back.
Jas
lack of new headline topics this afternoon . . . did Ben gnaw off a leg & escape again ?!?
Maybe he ducked out for one of those vacation thingies.
slacker
“During a hearing recess, Costa said he missed the real estate business. ‘I know Carl and David are getting in trouble. A lot of other people benefited from this boom. We just made more money than everybody else,’ Costa said.”
A lot of crooks “benefited”. A lot of innocent people were harmed. What he’s missing is the “excitement” of a boom, not the real estate business. The bust that follows a boom typically isn’t so exciting for those that benefited during the boom. It’s typically not a lot of fun for those that didn’t benefit either. Some people get to attend the party. Many more get the hangover that follows.
So, I’m going through Trulia.com, checking out the numbers of foreclosures in different areas, and, what I’m seeing is the percentage of homes for sale that are foreclosures are running about 75-85%. And, I’m thinking, “umm, that just can’t be, right?”. San Diego, at about 7000 foreclosure or pre-foreclosure. LA, at about 50%, though. I mean, these really can’t be solid figures, right? If so, yiiiikes….
The Palmdale zip I track has 202 4+3 or larger homes for sale at present, about 350 total for sale.
July’s NOD count? 376. If you use that 5982 guestimate by Thomas upthread then this single Palmdale zipcode had 6% of LA county NODs in July. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that extrapolates to 36% or more of the county’s NOD just in the AV.
Housing ATM continues to dry up.
Morgan Stanley Said to Freeze Home-Equity Credit Withdrawals
Aug. 6 (Bloomberg) — Morgan Stanley, the second-biggest U.S. securities firm, told thousands of clients this week that they won’t be allowed to withdraw money on their home-equity credit lines, said a person familiar with the situation.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/06/BUPL125G6V.DTL&tsp=1