August 8, 2008

It’s Not Like Buying A Pair Of Shoes

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “According to report from Beijing Morning Post, many investors in Shenzhen property market are paying at least 400,000 yuan in mortgages each month and at least 30 percent of them have lost all their earnings. ‘When the real estate sector was booming, every morning, the first thing I did was to think how much I’d earned. Now, the first thing I do is think how much I’ve lost,’ says Liu Bin, a Shenzhen real estate investor. ‘I’m in a very awkward situation. All I can do now is to rent rooms out for the money to pay bank loans.’”

“He still regrets his last investment in 2007. ‘I didn’t buy anything at the beginning of 2007 as house prices in Shenzhen rose to a degree I couldn’t understand. But I couldn’t help buying a house in June 2007. The decision was made only in a few seconds,’ he says.”

“‘I have a sense that the ‘winter’ has just began,’ Liu says.”

“As Canada’s housing market shows fresh signs it has exited the boom phase, Merrill Lynch economists are cautioning homeowners to expect a ’sustained downturn’ in prices.”

“Ken Glauser, associate broker at Henry Moulin Realty Inc, (is) rather relieved the market is losing some of its fevered pitch. Nowadays, ‘people can go home and think about their bids overnight,’ Mr. Glauser said. ‘Last year, they could hardly get back to their car to think about it.’”

“The demographics of the North Island aren’t encouraging. According to B.C. Stats, the population of the region in 2006 was 12,489. The region’s total population has fallen about 2 per cent a year over the last decade. The region has always been one of working towns that proudly paid their own way. Now the money is coming from outsiders who buy waterfront houses, sight unseen, for $300,000 — and then live in them for maybe a month or two every summer.”

“‘We’re seeing more price reductions in properties listed on the market, which is a levelling impact on the housing-price increases experienced at the end of last year and into the first quarter of 2008,’ Dave Watt, president of the Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver, said in a news release.”

“‘”It’s a situation of supply and demand,’ Kelvin Neufeld, president of the Fraser Valley Real Estate Board, said in a news release. ‘Buyers are now in the driver’s seat in the Fraser Valley and we’re starting to see that reflected in home prices.’”

“Multi-family housing developers are trying to enliven Calgary’s sleepy market. A free trip anywhere in the world, a flatscreen TV, cash back or a Smart Car — all yours for free if you buy the right condo.”

“‘They’re hurtin’,’ said John Hripko, leader of the Ripco Real Estate Team, which specializes in condos. ‘A lot of the developers here overbuilt and they’ll offer a number of different incentives to try to lure the buyer in. However, I don’t know how successful they’re going to be.’”

“The boom in the Spanish housing market is in danger of turning into a bust, with many agents already reporting double-digit price falls, while others warn there is still worse to come.”

“Charles Weston-Baker, head of international residential at Savills, said: ‘Prices on properties that people are being forced to sell in a hurry are around 20pc to 30pc lower than last year.’”

“Mild weakness in O’ahu’s housing market continued last month with a 3.1 percent decline in the median sale price of previously owned single-family homes to $620,000, from $640,000 a year earlier. The small drop was the sixth in seven months this year, according to the Honolulu Board of Realtors.”

“Harvey Shapiro, research economist for the trade association, said sellers may have to make more concessions in the softer market, but prices are staying close to last year’s levels.”

“‘This year is going to be a slow but healthy year for real estate,’ he said. ‘If you’re expecting prices to go back to the $300,000 level, you’re dreaming.’”

“The resort-styled Marin condos are currently being constructed on Semiahmoo Spit and should begin to have residents moving in next month. Prices start at around $650,000 and go up to around $1.7 million. Shana Mitcham, license assistant for Marin sales director Chet Kenoyer, said that despite the current housing market, approximately 70 people a week come to Marin to look at model units.”

“‘It’s just one of those unique areas,’ she said. ‘Everyone’s just interested in what’s going on there.’”

“Homes for sale in Ashland had been on the market an average of 152 days as of Friday, according to Colin Mullane, the chairman of the Southern Oregon MLS Statistics Committee. ‘We’ve definitely seen a lot of people who are renting out their house because they can’t sell it,’ said Jennifer Crane, owner of Crane Property Management.”

“Renting out a home, especially at the high end of the market, is not the windfall it may seem. A $1 million home may only fetch $2,500 per month in rent payments, not nearly enough to cover a $6,000 monthly mortgage payment, Mullane said.”

“‘A lot of times people will say, ‘Well, gee, I’m just paying somebody’s mortgage,’ but you’re paying far less in rent than what it would be in mortgage payments, and you don’t have to do upkeep,’ said Everett Eichler, owner of Classic Property Management.”

“Melanie Wilkinson decided to rent a condominium when she moved to Ashland from Boise, Idaho, to buy herself time to find her ideal house. ‘I think that real estate will always be a good investment, but you have to go in at the right time,’ she said. ‘Buying real estate should never be an impulse purchase. It’s not like buying a pair of shoes.’”

“Greg Neistat has built 20 homes in Northbrook, Glenview, Deerfield, Elmhurst and Lake Forest. Neistat said he has never seen a housing market on the North Shore as slow as it is now, and those who have been in real estate longer say they have never seen it this bad, either.”

“‘This is no shock,’ said Neistat, when told of the figures. ‘For new construction, the price is down, definitely, from what I am seeing. The builders who dealt with reality had to lower their prices. If they didn’t, and foreclosed, the lenders lowered the price for them,’ he said.”

“In an area of Northbrook bounded by Western, Techny, Shermer and Illinois, all the spec homes have been sold except those in the $2 million range, he said. Still, Neistat said he will not build any spec homes right now. ‘No lenders will lend for spec homes anymore. They stopped within the last year after getting burned,’ he said.”

“Assessed real estate values are decreasing for some Washington County residents due to drops in prices of neighboring properties. ‘The Assessor’s Office has to be commended,’ board Chairman Wesley Cannon said during the meeting. ‘I think in the long run the general public will appreciate it.’”

“In Northwest Arkansas, said Kathy Deck, director of the Center for Business and Economic Research at the University of Arkansas, ‘we’ve certainly seen sales decline precipitously.’”

“‘Our problem was we hit that bubble,’ Washington County Assessor Lee Ann Kizzar said of the 2007 reappraisal, which followed the 2006 peak in the housing market.”

“There 101 new foreclosure filings in the greater Johnson City, Kingsport and Bristol, Tenn., region in June 2008, according to the Tennessee Housing Development Agency and RealtyTrac. That total represents a 52 percent increase over May for the Kingsport-Bristol Metropolitan Statistical Area.”

“Between 2004 and 2006, a fourth of all mortgage loans in 10 Southwest Virginia counties, Bristol, Va., and Norton were of the adjustable rate or ‘high-cost’ variety.”

“‘People are getting horrible loans that adjust every six months. I worked with one woman whose double-wide [trailer] payment was $1,025 and has gone up every six months, said Debbie Perry, home ownership program coordinator with the Eastern Eight Community Development Corp. in Johnson City, Tenn.”

“Perry said she also assisted a couple who switched from a fixed-rate mortgage to an adjustable rate, believing it would make their payments more affordable. ‘You want to ask them what were they thinking, but you can’t say that,’ Perry said.”

“‘It used to be Chapter 13 bankruptcy was a perfect vehicle for people in trouble to keep their home,’ said Maria Timoney, an attorney with the Southwest Virginia Legal Aid Society. ‘These [new] loans, we can’t solve.’”

“‘Home buying is associated with a stable job and stable health,’ said Twin City attorney Bernard Via. ‘In the current economic climate, with the price of oil and everything else that’s going on, housing is not a good investment. Renting is better.’”

“A lot of Americans, however, had grown rich while busily involving themselves in the racket of issuing mortgages to a whole lot of other Americans who could not afford them.”

“‘It’s dispiriting indeed to watch the U.S. financial system, supposedly the envy of the world, being taken to its knees,’ Gretchen Morgenson recently wrote in the International Herald Tribune. ‘But that’s the show we’re watching, brought to you by somnambulant regulators, greedy bank executives and incompetent corporate directors. This wasn’t the way the ‘ownership society’ was supposed to work.’”

“The lights on the rigs pierce the black West Texas night, illuminating mesquite shrubs and jack rabbits scampering across the flat landscape. Good times have returned to the oil patch.”

“Yet, the people of Kermit and other Permian Basin towns have learned that petroleum-based prosperity is too fragile to squander in wild exuberance. ‘I’ve pissed away three booms in my lifetime, but this time, no,’ said Gary Blue, who says his business preparing sites for drilling is turning down about as much work as it accepts these days.”

“Rodney Hayes, who owns Kermit’s only floral shop, said he and his neighbors haven’t forgotten what happened when oil prices plummeted in the 1980s and the town’s population dropped from 10,000 to its current 6,000 in a matter of months.”

“‘It was like a suitcase parade’ as companies and their workers left town, Hayes said.”

“Sales of existing homes in Marion County dropped by almost 40 percent for the first six months of 2008 compared with the same period a year ago. Times are tough for the county’s 1,800 or so real estate agents at the moment, said Karen Grider, president of the Ocala/Marion County Association of Realtors, but things are starting to look up.”

“‘We’re all very optimistic,’ she said.”

“The county’s median sale price in June, was $150,500, down 15 percent from the same month the year before. ‘I don’t think that prices are going any further down,’ she said. ‘We’re about as low as we’re going to get for the majority of properties in Marion County.’”

“‘They [buyers] need to stop waiting for the other shoe to drop,’ Grider said. ‘People are selling for reasonable prices.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-08-08 14:21:26

My thanks to those who support this blog. Please check back this weekend.

 
Comment by Brett
2008-08-08 14:48:17

“‘They [buyers] need to stop waiting for the other shoe to drop,’ Grider said. ‘People are selling for reasonable prices.’”

Well hon, you obviously want people to buy now because that’s your job. However, I honestly do not think your advice has much credibilty right now!

Comment by Tempis
2008-08-08 21:30:55

New construction I’m watching dropped 18%. It came down another 4% last week. Bottom isn’t exactly forming. I’m renting. I’m in cash. It can rain shoes, far as I’m concerned.

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2008-08-08 15:02:08

Melanie Wilkinson is a Godess!

(And I’m willing to bet a Godess that never wears the same pair of shoes twice!) Hmm? Renting when you’re new to an area b-e-f-o-r-e you take the plunge and buy a house? Brilliant!

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-08-08 15:44:57

Well, she also said this:
“The economy — as far as I’m concerned in terms of buying a house — now is the time because the rates are still good and there are more homes on the market.”

 
 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-08 15:08:31

“‘They [buyers] need to stop waiting for the other shoe to drop,’ Grider said. ‘People are selling for reasonable prices.’”

Yeah, well buddy, these numbers are going back to 1983 (adjusted for inflation.)

We’ll just stick to the numbers. You can wait for the shoes or other equally absurd metaphors.

Hoz, ol’ chap, you still willing to bet on 1995 v/s 1983? I’m taking bets right now. ;-)

Comment by exeter
2008-08-08 19:56:10

FPSS,

Serious question. When adjusted for inflation, what is the difference?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-08 20:20:00

About $100K. ;-)

But seriously, you need a baseline, and the baseline is incomes.

Interest rates can only go from 18% to 1% once. That’s what fueled the superbubble in finance since 1983. The financialization of the US economy. Whatever you want to call it.

We’re headed back to fundamentals a.k.a. incomes. Imagine that!

 
 
 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-08 15:13:16

So Gretchen Morgenson gets religion finally?

BWAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Comment by Olympiagal
2008-08-08 17:09:13

Silence, Mr. Snarky! I’m totally ready to fall in love here.

“‘It’s dispiriting indeed to watch the U.S. financial system, supposedly the envy of the world, being taken to its knees,’ Gretchen Morgenson recently wrote in the International Herald Tribune. ‘But that’s the show we’re watching, brought to you by somnambulant regulators, greedy bank executives and incompetent corporate directors…’

Ooooh, oooh, say it again, Gretchy, only murmur it this time, softly into my shell-like ears, right after I get another bottle of wine from the bucket.

Seriously, does things get more enjoyable than this? Huh? Huh?

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-08-08 18:10:46

Olygal,

Please pour me a glass of that fine wine your drinking. Together we will clink our glasses to the future.

 
Comment by dude
2008-08-08 19:13:59

Holy cow, Olygal!!!

Long time no read. I was starting to have symptoms of withdrawal.

 
 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-08-08 15:14:43

“It was the extreme greediness of privileged Americans that caused hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens to lose their homes, undermined the economies of not only the U.S., but of nations around the world, and sabotaged the stock-market investments of heaven only knows how many million grey-haired pensioners like me.”

“Were it not for rotten governance in Washington, however, the greedsters could never have gotten away with their highway robbery.”

“It seems to me we’ve seen enough evidence over the years that the capitalist system is not going to be destroyed by an outside challenger like communism,” the late Molly Ivins wrote on the AlterNet website. “It will be destroyed by its own internal greed. Greed is the greatest danger as we develop an increasingly winner-take-all system.”

Those that are enriching themselves on the backs of others don’t care. They don’t seem to notice nor care that they may also be killing the host.

Comment by diogenes (Tampa,Fl)
2008-08-08 19:22:15

Parasites never worry about killing the host. Leaches and other blood-suckers will kill the host if their numbers are too high. Do you think we had enough Wallstreet sharks to finally kill off the market?
Or will the desperate host revive after such a terrible blood-letting?

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-08-08 15:34:48

“A $1 million home may only fetch $2,500 per month in rent payments, not nearly enough to cover a $6,000 monthly mortgage payment, Mullane said.”

If $1M homes are that rampant in Ashland to inspire her to make such a comment, it’s only because they’ve appeared the last 5 or so years.

As such, this tells me that plenty of equity refugees from south of the border (the OR/CA border) are burning cash every month and possibly losing their shirts. Couldn’t have happened fast enough, IMO.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-08 15:39:05

Hey, they’re saving the taxpayer a lot of dough.

You should logically enjoy watching them burn through dough each month.

 
Comment by diogenes (Tampa,Fl)
2008-08-08 19:23:43

Well, at least their not throwing away their money on rent.

Comment by diogenes (Tampa,Fl)
2008-08-08 19:25:12

they’re not…………sorry.

 
 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-08-08 15:39:25

“‘It’s dispiriting indeed to watch the U.S. financial system, supposedly the envy of the world, being taken to its knees,’ Gretchen Morgenson recently wrote in the International Herald Tribune. ‘But that’s the show we’re watching, brought to you by somnambulant regulators, greedy bank executives and incompetent corporate directors. This wasn’t the way the ‘ownership society’ was supposed to work.’”

That should get her a double word score!

Main Entry:
som·nam·bu·lant
Pronunciation:
\säm-ˈnam-byə-lənt\
Function:
adjective
Date:
1866

1 : walking or having the habit of walking while asleep
2 : resembling or having the characteristics of a sleepwalker : sluggish

 
Comment by LongIslandLost
2008-08-08 16:24:09

“‘They [buyers] need to stop waiting for the other shoe to drop,’ Grider said. ‘People are selling for reasonable prices.’”

Grider is absolutely correct. Some people will notice that houses are not selling. Therefore, one must conclude that prices are not reasonable.

I’m not waiting for the other shoe to drop. I’m looking for sellers with reasonable prices. Just like Grider told me to ;-).

Comment by joeyinCalif
2008-08-08 16:39:30

The problem with these hopeful sellers is they think there’ll be a recovery in a few years. They think the current decline is just a dip and that their wishing price is justified because prices will rebound soon enough.

However, they would be wise to acknowledge that the RE/lending/credit markets were hit with a most serious blow, the sting from which may linger into the 2020’s. The entire world’s economy was impacted.

If they plan on selling in the next ten years these sellers should drop asking to below current market and below REO/foreclosure prices and get out immediately.. or sooner. “Pretend” there will be no recovery. Attract a greater fool, sell, and be thankful.

Comment by exeter
2008-08-08 20:18:36

That is succinctly expressed. Indeed the popular delusion among J6P is, and I’ll quote, “real estate only goes down just a little for a year or two and then keeps on going up”. I’ll stand by my response to that quote by saying you’ll get more $$$ today for you “investment” than you will anytime in the next 20 years. I’ll also reinterate my contention that RealTards are the largest impediment to unseizing the market as they were the chief speculators in the run up. They were counting on big returns on their infestments yet they can’t get sales commissions without sabotaging their positions in residential real estate. Nothing like painting yourself in a corner eh realtards??

 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-08-08 18:13:41

Besides the other shoe to drop, I’m waiting for the socks, pants, shirt, underwear to also drop. When they are bare naked, maybe just maybe I will think about buying. :)

 
 
Comment by holytrainwreck
2008-08-08 16:33:53

1025 for a double-wide? Trailer trash heaven!

 
Comment by vozworth
2008-08-08 16:35:17

“….Kermit and other Permian Basin towns…”:

let me just say, that sandy piece of dirt is not fit for my cat to shit in, and I only say that because Im actually from those parts, still have family in Kermit…..

pfftt….start selling the leases …get an exit strategy prepared in advance Aunt Katy Sue

Comment by vozworth
2008-08-08 18:06:23

Are the Olympics on already?

 
Comment by vozworth
2008-08-08 18:37:51

Ill do one for the those looking for the lucre:

ACA just unwound billions of Credit Default Swaps, now tell me the Value of the double down derivative shorts, which are a derivative value of CDS, when this type of exponential is applied..

Who programs COBOL? and, is it all running on different platforms?

the easy answer is well, its bad for banks…or is it? Seems to me like the more the ARS holders get made whole the more CDS holders get money taken away…its a wash.

If you dont know what it is, it aint money. We didnt need a bank failure today…..this CDS unwind is like 20 Indymacs. Its not illegal to escape from jail..just something to think about.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-08 21:34:43

I wanna see an ARS holder too.

 
 
Comment by milkcrate
2008-08-08 20:47:58

I always enjoyed the Monahans sand dunes. But my dog did not like the windy grit. H2S gas stunk as well. Friendly folks, though.

 
 
Comment by aqius
2008-08-08 16:35:36

since we all know that realtors will “say anything” to get a sale, I’m waiting for one to appear in a tan trenchoat, holding a boombox overhead on loud volume outside my window in personal muted desperation.

Comment by Otis Wildflower
 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-08-08 17:27:44

‘Times are tough for the county’s 1,800 or so real estate agents at the moment, said Karen Grider, president of the Ocala/Marion County Association of Realtors, but things are starting to look up.”
“‘We’re all very optimistic,’ she said.”

Okay, look. I’m ‘optimistic’ too. I’m almost always annoyingly cheerful and giddy by nature, much like Pollyanna but without the stupid gingham pinafore and crutches from falling out of a tree. But that’s because I don’t have a pinafore, or crutches, else I would be just that exactly annoying all the time.
I was born this way, so it’s not really my fault, but see, that doesn’t mean I’m have to ignore reality in favor of being a jabbering idjit. Idjit! IDJITS, man!
This is not ‘optimism’ anymore. This is nothing but willful self-delusion bordering on gibbering craziness. I just don’t have anything more to offer here than this advice: the Ocala Association of Realtors ought to pack up their pinafores and run away into the desert and hope that Sweet Baby Jeebus sends them nourishing snacks via raven, because that’s likely as good a future as the Universe holds for them.

 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2008-08-08 18:47:02

“But I couldn’t help buying a house in June 2007. The decision was made only in a few seconds,’ he says”
I know the feeling. Kind of like buying a can of soda or a rock…

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-08 20:32:08

Not just any rock, a “pet rock”.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

 
 
Comment by Neil
2008-08-08 19:45:32

“‘I have a sense that the ‘winter’ has just began,’ Liu says.”

ROTFL

This is the Fall/Winter when everything changes. This one little comment just sung out to me. We are entering the stage where everyone wants out of real estate. When everyone wants out, no one wants in.

Definitely better spectating.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

Comment by Majestic
2008-08-08 23:56:51

I thought it was a pretty interesting comment - a guy in China knows when the party is over, and suspects the hangover is going to last a while. Meanwhile, most homeowners in the US are convinced their properties actually gained in value over these past 12 months.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2008-08-08 19:58:15

‘I’ve pissed away three booms in my lifetime, but this time, no,’

So THAT’s why my fellow New Yorkers didn’t see that this housing bubble is a repeat of the 1980s bubble. You have to piss away THREE booms to figure it out as an average American, like the folks in West Texas, not just one.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-08 20:24:14

Thrice is the charm, you know, ol’ chap!

 
 
Comment by cactus
2008-08-09 12:39:22

-237K ouch
Sale History
06/26/2008: $598,000 *
03/04/2005: $835,000
09/24/2004: $570,000
12/09/1999: $275,000
07/10/1998: $25,000 *
04/28/1994: $200,000

581 Camino Manzanas Thousand Oaks CA 91360 4 beds, 2.5 baths, 2,199 sq ft

Close Recently Sold: $598,000

 
Comment by Markk
2008-08-09 17:40:28

I bought a townhouse in Phnom Penh, Cambodia in 2002 for $35k, now it’s supposedly worth $80-100k. The average monthly salary is $100-300 for office work with a local college education.
Two or three family members who work live together, but it’s still ripe for a crash.

I see US immigrants coming back and overpaying because it’s so “cheap”.

 
Comment by fla to pa
2008-08-09 18:03:34

Rolling loans gather no loss

 
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