August 13, 2008

Some People Did A Nice Job In Spending Some Money

The Star Phoenix reports from Canada. “The city has been buzzing about housing since the beginning of 2007, when prices suddenly began to jump and bidding wars became the norm instead of the exception. Home buyers, however, may be forgiven for wondering — if not worrying — about the recent turn in the market: Listings have jumped 46 per cent this year and sales are down 15 per cent.”

“Last year’s soaring market attracted a lot of speculation, ’so people from B.C., Alberta and even syndicates from New York were purchasing properties. Some people did a nice job in spending some money and increasing the value of properties,’ said Harry Janzen, executive officer of the Saskatoon Region Association of Realtors.”

“But 2007 changed people’s expectations, and 2008 is not fulfilling them. ‘Our measures should be further out than just 2007, which was a very unique time in Saskatchewan and certainly in Saskatoon history,’ said Janzen.”

“‘Last year, we had 10 buyers for each house,’ says Gary Busch, a real estate agent with Century 21. ‘This year we have 10 houses for each buyer.’”

“‘It’s hard not to watch all these market reports,’ said new homeowner Janet French, a StarPhoenix reporter who takes possession of her home in September.”

“French and her fiance thought about buying a home last year, but were so turned off by the bidding wars and fast-rising prices, they decided against it. But in late May, friends of theirs put a house on the market, and eventually dropped the $260,000 asking price to $235,000.”

“‘When I heard how much they were dropping the price, I thought, something is changing here,’ she said.”

“French hopes the market correction won’t affect the value of her house, which she purchased for $11,000 below the original asking price. ‘The point is, I’m not pouring money into rent any more.’”

The Billings Gazette from Montana. “‘Sold! To the highest bidder’ is a shout used to close deals for antiques and even Picassos. Now, new high-end homes in Billings will be sold next month under that same auctioneer’s cry.”

“For what may be the first time since the 1980s, as many as 15 custom-built homes in the Billings area will be sold at auction on Sept. 9. Kenmark Construction has teamed up with United Country-Musser Bros. to sell the ’spec’ homes, built before a buyer has been lined up, ranging in price from $244,000 to $549,900.”

“On Tuesday, Mark Kennedy, one of the owners of Kenmark Construction, opened the front door to a 4,827-square-foot home at 4535 Gram’s Court in Rehberg Ranch to show off the granite countertops, faux-painted walls, crown molding and the wood floors. ‘This is the finest inventory in my career,’ he said. ‘They aren’t going to buy them for $1.’”

“While the occasional Montana trophy ranch or home is sold at auction, auctioneer Mert Musser said this sale is unique. ‘I would say it is the first time this has happened on this scale in Billings and in Montana,’ Musser said.”

“Marilyn Floberg, president of Prudential Floberg Realtors, said the auction approach is just one sign of changing business practices driven by the Internet. ‘I look at it as an alternative marketing plan not totally out of the realm of possibility, but not necessarily a sign of distress,’ she said.”

The Idaho Statesman. “Treasure Valley housing sales remained mired in a slump in July, with total transactions off 39 percent from a year ago, according to industry statistics. Mike Pennington, a residential specialist with John L. Scott, said consumers are hoping prices will fall further.”

“However, with the Federal Reserve expected to begin raising interest rates to combat inflation, waiting to buy may be a costly strategy, he said.”

“‘Somebody has to say that it’s safe to go back in the water,’ Pennington said. ‘If consumers wait hoping to save a few dollars, and interest rates shoot up, they could end up shooting themselves in the foot.’”

“Adding to the industry’s problems were inventory numbers that have risen 24 percent since the start of the year, from 6,668 in January to 8,270 in July. Experts say the growing number of homes in foreclosure could be adding to the inventory problem.”

“Home prices also continued to slide. The median price of a home sold in July was off 12 percent in Ada and Canyon counties from a year ago.”

“Another disheartening sign of market conditions is that even ‘competitively priced’ homes have not been selling, added associate broker Shaun Tracy. ‘It doesn’t appear that there is a great (upward) thrust in sales on the horizon,’ he said. ‘We’re just trudging along, selling a home here and there.’”

The Daily News from Washington. “Housing prices in Cowlitz County rebounded for a second month in a row in July, leading to speculation that the worst of the slump might be over locally. However, the number of home sales still is lagging well behind last year’s pace, and there’s still a big surplus of homes on the market.”

“‘Things are not looking dark around here. Gray, perhaps, but in the business here we feel like we’re seeing sunshine poking through,’ said Jerry Flaskerud, broker in Longview.”

“Buyers still have the advantage over sellers, but not by much, Flaskerud suggested. ‘Homes that are priced well from a buyers’ prospective are getting offers. But there are not a lot of buyers. It is a very difficult market for sellers and real estate agents now. But for buyers who think they can or should offer 20 to 30 percent less than sellers are asking, they are going to be disappointed. We do not have a lot of sellers who are motivated to sell for that much less.’”

“‘A house sold today would have sold for more a couple years ago, but we’re not seeing as many distressed people and properties as they are seeing in Clark County,’ said Sue Lantz, broker in Longview. ‘It is still difficult and we certainly have sellers who want to sell their properties … but they are willing to wait it out.’”

“Flaskerud said housing inventory continues to build locally because people reaching retirement age want to downsize and may want to sell, but don’t need to sell. ‘The market is not where we’d like it to be, but it’s OK. We are seeing buyers come back into the market. We’re debating, perhaps we have seen the bottom in Cowlitz County.’”

The Columbian from Washington. “Two Creeks was meant to bring luxury living to east Clark County. Instead its upscale Camas townhouses continue to bring financial ruin for its developers and to cost those who backed the project millions. Now 29 unsold homes, out of 31 built near the Camas Meadows Golf Course in 2006, are heading to the auction block.”

“The timing couldn’t be worse. Home sales are down 41 percent and prices are down 3 to 5 percent from a year ago, which will make it difficult to find buyers for the Two Creeks homes in time.”

“It wasn’t supposed to end this way. When husband and wife Rick Bowler and Marilee Thompson unveiled plans for Two Creeks at Camas Meadows in 2004, the housing market was on the upswing and financing was available.”

“They borrowed from Columbia Credit Union, and planned eventually to build 122 two-story townhomes, each with 2,200 to 3,000 square feet of living space and each equipped with elevators.”

“They envisioned tennis courts, a pool and Jacuzzi, barbecue stations, charging stations for golf carts, walking trails, RV storage and more, Bowler said at the time.”

“The first phase, 31 townhouses, went on the market in 2006. Two people bought homes that year, paying $750,000 and $825,000. Since then, no other sales have closed.”

The Seattle PI from Washington. “When Moda Condominiums started accepting reservations in September 2006, prospective buyers lined up hours early and quickly locked up all 251 units.

Now, with the Belltown building two months from completion, Moda’s developers have changed it to rental apartments.

“The market and the financing conditions for condominiums have really taken a drastic turn,’ said developer G. David Hoy, head of HMI Real Estate Inc. ‘The vast majority of (Moda’s) buyers decided not to proceed with the purchase of their unit.’”

“Some buyers found they could no longer get a loan, particularly for second homes or investment units, while others just got cold feet, Hoy said. ‘Because the vast majority have bailed out on us, we have no choice now but to turn it into a rental.’”

“Several prominent area projects have switched from condos to apartments in recent months, citing the slowing for-sale market and relatively strong one for rentals.”

“Jereld Hamilton has been keeping his house in showing shape, despite his two small boys, since putting it on the market July 7. But few buyers have seen the fruits of his Sisyphean labor. ‘Traffic is so slow,’ Hamilton, an agent with Windermere Real Estate, said during an open house in late July. ‘It’s just been really brutal.’”

“Nearby, agent Paul Lau said the lonely open house he was hosting Sunday was consistent with his recent experience in southeast Seattle. ‘You’re lucky if you get five people,’ he said.”

“Lenders cutting back on loans and tightening lending standards since last summer might have hit southeast Seattle particularly hard because the area has a higher share of first-time buyers, who generally have smaller down payments and less-established credit.”

“‘A lot of the entry-level buyers have just disappeared,’ Hamilton said.”

“In Columbia City, seller Gabriel Newton had a steady stream of visitors flowing through his self-hosted open house July 27. Gary Montgomery, who was at the open house, said he was looking in Columbia City because he liked the neighborhood’s feel, older houses and prices.”

“‘Any other neighborhood where I like the home, it’s $600,000 or $700,000,’ he said.”

“Montgomery rents in Redmond and planned to hold off on buying until his girlfriend sold her house in Portland. But he got tired of waiting. ‘I’ll buy what I can - a smaller home - now, while prices are low,’ he said.”

The Enterprise from Washington. “Record high prices on gas and food are causing people across the Puget Sound to pinch pennies. In Shoreline, that has meant large crowds at food banks, officials said. ‘Donations are down by quite a bit, but we’ve seen an uptake in our recipients,’ said Hopelink’s Denise Stephens. ‘People really are using food banks more than what we’re used to.’”

“At the same time that people are paying more for food and gas, wary employers have been reluctant to raise wages. Unemployment has risen, too.”

“At the Family Center in Lynnwood, director Tim Gahm has been busy working with his staff to broaden their services in the wake of rising prices. ‘For the past six to seven meetings, what we have been discussing is the increasing needs of families surrounding basic needs,’ he said.”

“For some people, the price jump is forcing them to make decisions they wouldn’t normally consider. Take Kerry Breakfield of Lynnwood, for example. The married mother of two drives a school bus part time. A subsidy helps cover her $4,000 a month day care bill but it’s still not enough.”

“‘I’m actually having to consider taking my kids out of day care,’ she said. Her mother-in-law lives with the family ‘to help pay the mortgage and everything else,’ she said.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-08-13 08:21:34

This Star Phoenix article is a hoot:

‘The Saskatchewan market was at least 30 to 40 per cent undervalued last year and the market has simply caught up to other areas in Canada,” said Harry Janzen, executive officer of the Saskatoon Region Association of Realtor’

Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-13 08:48:13

Saskatchewan, the world’s last hope for having undervalued real estate…

 
Comment by jrochest
2008-08-13 14:19:22

The story was the front page lead headline in the Star-Phoenix: big headline, full page story on page A4, whole nine yards.

It’s in response to the Merrill Lynch Canada report that came out on Friday: they say that Canadian real estate is overvalued, and that Saskatoon & Regina is overvalued by 50% and 48% respectively.

The locals are circling the wagons.

 
Comment by AnonyRuss
2008-08-13 22:04:25

“Officials with local real estate associations came storming out, saying that simply wasn’t true.”

This reminds me of Phoenix realtors on interenet message boards, although their spin is different. They can no longer deny the bubble/bust, so they just endlessly post messages about the price “bottom.” They then pathetically try to create urgency by discussing an REO bidding war or pondering when prices will shoot up. Thankfully, those dumb enough to be influenced by such nonsense are now generally unbankable.

 
 
Comment by Troy
2008-08-13 08:31:17

‘The point is, I’m not pouring money into rent any more.’

I’m paying a relatively high rent, $1750/mo.

The house I want to buy listed at $499,000 over 200 days ago. It’s now $460K.

Seems to me as long as prices continue drifting down TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS A DAY it makes more sense to rent that buy.

But that’s just me.

Comment by GH
2008-08-13 08:39:36

Exactly, and not pouring money into rent is nice, but what about the interest charges?

Comment by desertdweller
2008-08-13 09:23:17

gee, I am so glad I am paying rent, no PITI,

New garage door to replace broken one this month.
New washing machine, to replace recently broken one-2mos ago.
Dishwasher needs replacing…get em cheap refurbished, or just wash by hand till prices lower? Getting lower rent.
Not paying for gardeners, HOA, gee, let me see.. OH yea, glad to be a renter, so far so good!Cable included.
My ‘house value’ isn’t going down.
So far so good.

‘The point is, I’m not pouring money into rent any more.’”

 
Comment by az_lender
2008-08-13 10:38:01

My current landlady has the 5-unit building listed at I think $800K, while my rent is $800/mo. Heated. (In Maine.) I believe mine is the largest of the 5 apartments. I’m not making an offer, since $400K would be generous.

 
Comment by Claudius Maximus
2008-08-13 11:32:50

I have never purchased a house and barring some unforeseen event I do not plan to. These people who rejoice at purchasing a how are crazy. I like the freedom of being able to pick up and move whenever I like. Granted I haven’t relocated in 10 years but in my mind it’s all about the FREEDOM. People have been lull into the sense that houses are a readily liquid asset over the past decade. Now that prices are dropping they think they false liquidity will return. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Credit is getting tighter everyday…so who’s gonna buy this house when she wants to move.

 
 
Comment by diogenes (Tampa)
2008-08-13 11:21:10

‘The point is, I’m not pouring money into rent any more.’”
Chock up another win for the Realtors ™. She drank the kool-aide. When will they ever learn, …….when will they ever learn ??? Sung softly and quietly.

Comment by pismoclam
2008-08-13 14:06:43

Sounds like part of the refrain from a ‘Kingston Trio’ song?

 
 
Comment by Red Baron
2008-08-13 11:44:39

I live in the Bay Area, and I happily pour money into rent every month. My landlord is basically subsidizing my lifestyle, for which I am very grateful.

The monthly price declines on condos in my area are roughly triple my monthly rent payment. It would cost me at least 50% more per month to buy–mortgage, condo fee, property taxes, insurance, and maintenance–than what I pay in rent.

I expect prices to drop another 20% from current levels through late 2009. By 2010 or 2011, then it might be time to consider buying. Not buying a condo when I moved here late last winter was one of the best financial decisions I ever made.

Keep the popcorn popping,

Red Baron

Comment by potential buyer
2008-08-13 13:04:01

I too live in the bay area and I am very unhappily paying rent - $1600 for a 2/2 that the landlord refuses to renovate so everything is there from 1986 when it was built (including the carpet)!
Abiding by condo rules, not allowed to have a pet….and worse of all — rents going up and up. I’ve had enough - I want a dog, I want my own place and I no longer care if I have to pay for it!
I’m going to start putting in offers at $100k less than asking price.

Comment by DinOR
2008-08-13 13:16:00

Steady… STEADY!

I hear you and it’s easy for me to say b/c we had a desperate Landlord that truly just needed to get out (leveraged on multiple properties) so my total cost was 206K (Oregon). Which btw I STILL think is too high and will probably go to at least 150k if not lower.

Please remember though, when you say your rent is going up and up that they have been artificially suppressed for at least 5 years, if not more. I know you’ve been around here and you know flippers didn’t care what their flop rented for b/c they ‘knew’ they would more than make up for it on the backside. Steady.

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Comment by potential buyer
2008-08-13 13:32:26

I don’t think rents have been suppressed in the bay area though. The landlords are getting greedier and greedier. But thanks for reigning me in………..LOL

 
Comment by DinOR
2008-08-13 14:18:47

potential buyer,

Think nothing of it. Besides, that is (1) way for the HB to resolve itself. If renting is more expensive than buying, well then you buy. I suppose another would be for incomes to increase by about 60% and lastly a price correction. :)

In truth when I bought my 1st house they were begging people to buy too. ( Kind of like now ) only you actually had to qualify for the loan. Kidding aside it was actually a little cheaper to own than rent but renting was the premium you paid for being able to ditch an ugly economy with 30 days notice.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Dave of the North
2008-08-13 08:40:48

“For some people, the price jump is forcing them to make decisions they wouldn’t normally consider. Take Kerry Breakfield of Lynnwood, for example. The married mother of two drives a school bus part time. A subsidy helps cover her $4,000 a month day care bill but it’s still not enough.”

How much do part-time bus drivers get anyway? Can’t be more than $ 4,000 a month. Wouldn’t it be cheaper for her to stay home???

Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-08-13 08:43:07

that would go against the -state as parent lefty goal

Comment by exeter
2008-08-13 11:18:07

Tax, what are your daycare costs?

Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-08-13 11:42:07

used to be 1k a month or so
no peoples subsidy for me
face it Exeter all gov programs seek to replace parenting and savings, and fail

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-08-13 08:50:16

Is childcare actually worth $4000/mo per child? Or is that another bubble? Take care of 4-5 children and you make more than most physicians and lawyers. I’m thinking that she has verrry expensive tastes. Only the best for her younguns!

Comment by eastcoaster
2008-08-13 09:41:33

No way is it $4000 a month. My daycare is ~$900/month. And it’s a good daycare. Maybe they meant $4000 a year (as it would seem to me a part-time worker would only need part-time daycare).

 
 
Comment by bayparkwatcher
2008-08-13 09:06:42

That’s an absurd amount to be paying for child care. You’re right. She might as well just stay home.

 
Comment by Crash Random
2008-08-13 09:29:51

A part-time school bus driver probably works 20 hours a week and makes about $1200/month.

Also, even if she needed full-time day care (which she shouldn’t), and even if she could afford it (which she can’t), $4000/month would still be too much to pay for day care. She could hire a nanny for less than that.

The numbers are bonkers whatever way you look at it, but I tend to think that the $4000/month number is fake and the government is not really paying out that much in subsidy. I hope not anyway.

Comment by Crash Random
2008-08-13 09:42:46

Another thought: You could say a school bus driver’s job is to provide a certain kind of “day care” or babysitting service.

So she goes off and takes care of 10-40 kids, meanwhile she pays someone else three times as much to watch her two kids?

Insane.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-08-13 10:26:31

That’s just as insane as sterile yuppie couples paying tens of thousands for fertility treatments - only to promptly turn the kid(s) over to a nanny upon birth.

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Comment by mgnyc99
2008-08-13 11:40:43

lol so true edgewater

it is like a fashion accessory to hae a child

 
 
 
 
Comment by Seatme
2008-08-13 09:43:55

where is she sending her kids for daycare? HARVARD?

Comment by grumpy realist
2008-08-13 18:25:08

You’re right–that’s more than I’m paying for law school….

 
 
 
Comment by Groundhogday
2008-08-13 08:41:28

“The first phase, 31 townhouses, went on the market in 2006. Two people bought homes that year, paying $750,000 and $825,000. Since then, no other sales have closed.”

If this was a good development and priced competitively (at least by bubble standards), it would have sold out in 2006. The market here didn’t really slow dramatically until 2007.

Comment by DinOR
2008-08-13 08:50:57

Groundhogday,

( And it feels like that more every day ) but that’s what I can’t figure out? Hubby got them started in ‘04. When ’should’ they have started for this to have made economic sense? 2000?

As usual my take is even here in lowly OR things started to unravel sooner than most expected. Locally we’re getting all kinds of confirmation that flips and projects aren’t paying off. Granted in ‘04 this ‘plan’ was probably still on the drawing board but completed in ‘06? According to local RE shills they should have sold out in a weekend.

How come we weren’t getting ‘that’ story back then?

 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-08-13 08:52:38

I’m gonna browse the Seattle Craigslist just for kicks. A lot of people in Anchorage buy second homes there, and I want to get a taste of what they’re in for. Any good links to their MLS?

 
Comment by pdxHOMEDEBTOR/ocLANDRENTER
2008-08-13 09:46:54

“Creditors hope to recover $19.5 million”

“They envisioned tennis courts, a pool and Jacuzzi, barbecue stations, charging stations for golf carts, walking trails, RV storage and more, Bowler said at the time.”

“The first phase, 31 townhouses, went on the market in 2006. Two people bought homes that year, paying $750,000 and $825,000. Since then, no other sales have closed.”

2 more will be in foreclosure soon (jingle mail walk aways). Average square feet of 2,600 (2,200-3,000) at say $150 per square feet * 29 units = $11.3 million. None of the amenities will appear, and I may be being generous with the $150 per square foot, as these will be bought for shelter value (i.e. multiple of fair market rent). Looks like the credit union will need to auction off the remaining undeveloped land to try to collect a small fraction of the remaining $8.2 million.

“This is a big loan for us, but we’ve been mindful of the situation there for well over a year now and have acted prudently to set aside reserves,” said Parker Cann, president and chief executive of Columbia Credit Union.”

Excuse me, Mr. Cann, you may want to dust off your resume, you’re going to be needing it soon.

And to think we’re only about 25% into the bursting of the credit bubble. $500 billion with $1.5 trillion to go per Roubini. God help us all.

Got diversified assets?

Comment by Groundhogday
2008-08-13 10:00:14

And Credit Unions were supposed to be more conservative.

Comment by incredulous
2008-08-13 16:32:16

Well, well, I lived closed to these condos in 2006 and I even banked at said credit union, they were in fact very tight with regard to refinancing and giving HELOC’s. Trouble was, you could get a luxorious 3,000 sft House in the area for 450-500K. For 800K you could live like a king. I just wonder who are the dummies who actually bought 2 of these things?

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Comment by grumpy realist
2008-08-13 18:33:21

The same dummies that bought the $650K+ townhouses here in Oak Park and to whom they’re trying to sell off the end unit medieval fiasco (with its own wee pointed roof) at $799K.

(All the bank people I talked to thought the prices were nuts.)

 
 
 
Comment by DinOR
2008-08-13 10:04:26

pdxHOMEDEBTOR,

That was pretty much my take on the math. And yes at $150 per, you probably *are being generous. Again with the golf cart charging stations and RV storage I have to believe this dev. was aimed solely at aging boomers. As this developer found out, there is no Golden Temple of Fictitious Boomer Wealth. Like a lot of treasure hunts it turned out to be more myth than fact.

Probably built for fat equity locusts from Cali to “summer” up here and hit the RV at the first sign of rain ( Labor Day Weekend ) and come back after “Juneuary” and descend upon us just in time for all the Iris, Dhalia, Wine, Jazz, Blues “Fest”. Livin’ the dream baby, livin’ the dream.

Well let’s do the math real quick. How many people have the critical mass one would require to pay off an 800k abode that’s empty 10 months out of the year and STILL have enough liquidity left over to cover your opulent lifestyle?

Evidently… two.

Comment by Lesser Fool
2008-08-13 10:51:24

What about the two foreclosures? I wonder who they could be …

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Comment by DinOR
2008-08-13 11:51:35

Seriously? I didn’t catch it in the orig. article but re-read pdxHOMEDEBTOR’s post and noticed it there. I have no reason to doubt it. This… is one case where it might well be justified. I guess that or you could post a sign in your front yard saying “Ask me about the amenities”?

 
 
 
Comment by Jack Jones
2008-08-13 12:32:48

Being in the business, I’ve had occasion to meet the real estate genius Mr. Bowler just a couple of times. Arrogant does not begin to describe. I feel somewhat (not very) ashamed of my feelings of Schedenfreude (look it up in your Funk&Wagnall) toward said genius. Perhaps he can start over as a part time school bus driver.

As one that does many BPO’s for a number of banks, those condo’s (if ever finished) should bring in the neighborhood of $330,000. That leaves Columbia C U about $12/15,000,000. short. Maybe Bowler and Cann could work out some kind of bus driver accomodation. Sharing is nice.

JJ

Disclosure: I’ve been known to talk my book.

Comment by DinOR
2008-08-13 14:07:40

Jack,

Lost a post there but please fill us in at the local Portland BB when you can!

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-13 08:44:25

An appropriate read for this thread would be:

“My Adventures With Your Money”

Written about 100 years ago, all about the various Gold Mine bubbles in future Nevada Ghost Towns, from an insider’s perspective…

http://www.amazon.com/Adventures-Your-Money-George-Graham/dp/142125316X

Comment by DinOR
2008-08-13 10:12:23

aladinsane,

Also interesting to note that when Teddy Roosevelt gave his presidential address from the balcony of the Goldfield Hotel it was the largest hotel between St. Louis and San Francisco. I understand it’s now for sale on Ebay for 175k and has been for some time? Haunted I’m told. Desolate but still a must see in my book.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-13 10:35:33

eBay has the damnedest things for sale…

A friend bought a hard-rock Gold mine on eBay, and it’s about 10 miles from Columbia, Ca.

He paid about $200k for it, 5 or 6 years ago.

Comment by DinOR
2008-08-13 10:43:20

alad,

Yeah I’ve seen “gold mining claims” ( in OR no less ) for like 5k. Of course you don’t own the 160 acres you just have 50 year right to ‘mine’ it. You could always go out there with 2 cases of beer and yer’ hound and ‘tell’ your wife you were looking for gold?

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-13 10:54:43

Our our sole visit to his mine, he kept hitting me up to be an “investor”…

Subtle hints turned into awkward pleas as the weekend progressed.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by DinOR
2008-08-13 08:44:39

So what is the poor Columbia Credit Union supposed to do with 29 unsold townhomes that sold in ‘06 for 750-825k? Bet the members loved that! What’s really funny is that the Two Creeks husband and wife team hatched this little scheme in 2004. Completed Phase 1 in ‘06, sold TWO out of 31 that year and now they’re saying “the timing couldn’t have been worse”?

Dude, you had the wind ( and the financing ) at your back during the biggest Bull Market in housing, EVER and you couldn’t get it done! When are we going to own up to the fact that a lot of these ‘projects’ were ill-conceived from the start? And what of the two owners they DID manage to sell to? Bet they’re happy too.

 
Comment by WT Economist
2008-08-13 08:47:41

“When Moda Condominiums started accepting reservations in September 2006, prospective buyers lined up hours early and quickly locked up all 251 units…Some buyers found they could no longer get a loan, particularly for second homes or investment units, while others just got cold feet, Hoy said. ‘Because the vast majority have bailed out on us, we have no choice now but to turn it into a rental.’”

That just shows the strength of the Seattle market. Instead of unsold condos turning into rentals, you have sold out condos turning into rentals.

 
Comment by SKB
2008-08-13 09:02:44

“‘When I heard how much they were dropping the price, I thought, something is changing here,’ she said.”

To bad she stopped thinking at that one point.

“French hopes the market correction won’t affect the value of her house, which she purchased for $11,000 below the original asking price. ‘The point is, I’m not pouring money into rent any more.’”

Yes honey you are not pouring money into rent anymore, you are now pouring money into a out of control roller-coaster headed downward.

What kills me the most about this story:

“‘It’s hard not to watch all these market reports,’ said new homeowner Janet French, a StarPhoenix reporter who takes possession of her home in September.”

She can read but doesn’t comprehend a word of it.

I wonder if she will still be friends with with the ones that sold her the home a year from now?

Comment by desertdweller
2008-08-13 09:25:35

Didn’t catch that part, French is a reporter? sheesh, obviously Comprehension is not her forte.

 
 
Comment by aqius
2008-08-13 09:34:35

I dont see many ” it’s a GREAT time to buy ” chirpy proclamations anymore ?

think the realtors finally got the effin memo about how annoying that was??!

now its all about “logically creating a false sense of fear” that “you must act NOW to make lemonaide out of lemons” !!

Realtors: HA! what a scummy lot. not all, but enough to tarnish the collective image. (before reading this blog I had no opinion of ‘em but now they rank below pond scum.)

Comment by Groundhogday
2008-08-13 10:06:14

Apparently Realtors are still employing that “buy now before rates go up” line. They may be right, rates may go up. But from a purely marketing perspective:

1) Realtors have been crying wolf for several years
2) rates have been so low for so long that most potential buyers don’t fear rate increases.

Of course, my perspective is that even if rates go up I’d rather pay higher rates on a lower priced house than visa versa.

Comment by Socrates11
2008-08-13 10:52:26

“Of course, my perspective is that even if rates go up I’d rather pay higher rates on a lower priced house than visa versa.”

Hasn’t that usually been the case? When interest rates go up, the price needs to come down. Water has to find it’s level, which for buying a house means affordability. Interest rates are almost irrelevent.

 
Comment by smathis
2008-08-13 11:13:13

“Of course, my perspective is that even if rates go up I’d rather pay higher rates on a lower priced house than visa versa.”

Absolutely. If or when rates lower, you can refinance. But how do you manage to lower the amount you paid for your house?

Maybe build a time machine?

Comment by DinOR
2008-08-13 12:00:22

smathis,

Excellent point. What’s even better is as prices continue to correct it will become ever easier for the wife and I to simply buy that mid-century modern in Vegas or PS for cash taking the whole rate argument out of the argument.

Always better to buy cheap assets with expensive money.

One of the few ways I’ve found around the “soak the boomer” mentality is to stay put, pay your mortgage down as much as you can while working F/T and then re-fi the unpaid balance on a 30 year. Follow me here, a 60k mortgage spread out over 30 years will give you a payment around $300 a month. Well show ME where that would even cover space rent in mobile park? It’s cheaper than most HOA’s and easier to hump than filling up an RV.

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Comment by bluprint
2008-08-13 13:42:15

But how do you manage to lower the amount you paid for your house?

Wait for everyone to get foreclosed on, then renegotiate a loan reduction with the bank?

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Comment by Olympiagal
2008-08-13 10:55:30

‘…but now they rank below pond scum.)’

FAR below pond scum, aqius. Pond scum is quite pretty, in a virulent fascinating greenish way, for one thing, and for another, pond scum actually serves a useful purpose.

 
 
Comment by watcher
2008-08-13 09:57:45

Record high prices on gas and food…

Better learn to grow your own; things won’t be getting better.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-13 10:25:33

Fart chance of making your own petrol.

Comment by DinOR
2008-08-13 10:48:45

One of the things I’ve always found incredible about ’survivalists’ is that they omit the need for having any kind of a foundry? Even with a stockpile of metal at some point you’re going to run out of swing arms and receivers etc. so now what?

Uh dude, without the ability to smelt, cast and machine parts… what do you have? Yep, The Stone Age. Have fun making arrowheads.

Comment by exeter
2008-08-13 12:27:05

Don’t let the insane world of the survivalists and mother earth types get you going Dino. These clowns come out of the woodwork every commodities cycle. They then drift into obscurity and reappear 20 years later talking like Rip Van Winkle.

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Comment by DinOR
2008-08-13 14:13:29

Oh I didn’t mean to imply anyone was and there’s nothing wrong with a little self reliance but I watched a 2 hour special on Discovery about “Earth After Humans” or something to that effect. It really struck me when they said the only thing that ‘might’ survive 100,000 years is Mt. Rushmore!

Well, in order for any ‘lucky’ survivors to make it within 99,000 years of that they’d have to have some metal working capability or they can pretty much forget it.

 
 
 
Comment by watcher
2008-08-13 11:07:57

You can make your own diesel.

Comment by DinOR
2008-08-13 12:04:00

Actually that’s true and we do quite a bit of it here in OR but doesn’t even bio-diesel need a certain amount of pure diesel fuel to work?

That aside at some point that block will crack or become worn past tolerances. How will we replace the piston sleeves in the brave new world without the ability to machine our own? How will we ‘power’ this foundry? Just wondering.

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Comment by watcher
2008-08-13 13:19:45

No man is an island. Trade.

At any rate I am not a survivalist; I merely recommend having a greenhouse or backyard garden. I enjoy fresh veggies year round.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2008-08-13 17:16:39

No, biodiesel does not require any petrodiesel to work. It can be blended in any amount with petrodiesel, but blending is not required. Blending IS commonly done in in winter in cold climates to prevent gelling.

What is required for biodiesel production is methanol and lye. I’m not sure how survivalists would come up with those.

However, simpler fuels than biodiesel are possible; you can actually burn straight vegetable oil in older/simpler disese engines.

 
Comment by grumpy realist
2008-08-13 18:45:52

Actually, the reason biodiesel gets mixed with ordinary diesel is because biodiesel is a really, really good solvent and will dissolve a) your natural rubber hoses b) natural rubber gaskets and linings, and c) whatever crud has been building up in your storage tank. You can run off straight biodiesel, but you have to prepare your car/truck for it–and clean out your storage tank FIRST.

Methanol: hooch from stills (you simply need some form of an alcohol and methanol is the cheapest). Lye: ashes. (how do you think people used to make soap?)

(BTW, if anyone is interested in learning how to make biodiesel, SEI offers week-long workshops covering *everything* including the economics behind the whole affair. I attended their workshop down in North Carolina and was highly, highly impressed.)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-13 11:23:31

Today’s new word:

Upscalure:

Prima facie evidence…

“Two Creeks was meant to bring luxury living to east Clark County. Instead its upscale Camas townhouses continue to bring financial ruin for its developers and to cost those who backed the project millions. Now 29 unsold homes, out of 31 built near the Camas Meadows Golf Course in 2006, are heading to the auction block.”

 
Comment by Gulfstream-fixer
2008-08-13 12:09:46

“I look at it as an alternative marketing plan………..”
M. Floberg, 2008

“……the war has not progressed entirely as we would have wished………”

Emperor Hirohito, 1945.

They must belong to the same chapter of Toastmasters.

 
Comment by RJT
2008-08-13 12:30:05

Thanks for the Canadian content Ben. Our bubble is finally starting to crest, and the media and realtor organizations are shocked! they are running around telling everyone that everyone should buy now or miss this “once in a lifetime” opportunity to have “large selection”, before prices continue spiralling upwards!

Makes me want to puke. Why can’t we learn from the USA? Why?

Comment by combotechie
2008-08-13 19:59:08

Why can’t the USA learn from the USA?

 
 
Comment by Gwilym
2008-08-13 13:44:40

Because every nation thinks it’s different.

Ireland… can’t possible happened here, shortage of land… blah blah
Spain… can’t happen here…blah blah

here in the UK. Not making any more land, foreigner investors blah blah

In the end though we’ll all follow America in the great house bubble of the 21st century.

 
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