Bits Bucket For August 17, 2008
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
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The next wave of mortgage defaults…
More borrowers with good credit are defaulting on their home loans, and that’s going to make it even harder for the staggering housing market to recover.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/12/real_estate/prime_defaults_price_drops/index.htm
It simply makes sense…as most of these buyers used their “prime” credit to obtain Option/NEG AM ARM loans for McMansions…so the dollar amounts that will go bad in these loans will far outweigh the subprime loan amounts…and many cannot refi under current credit guidelines..
Already in my area the homes that are suffering the most drastic price reductions are those priced over $1 Million dollars..as buyers and builders slice hundreds of thousands of dollars off…and yet they still can’t sell..(seen homes listed at $1.1, after being reduced from $1.5, sold for $800K).
Homes priced up to $800K are selling for around 3-5% less than asking price…
Bracing for Inflation…
Despite the recent softening of oil prices, the U.S. could be looking at double-digit inflation as early as 2009.
The relative price stability of the past 15 years is giving way to worsening inflation, despite the recent softening of oil prices. The Consumer Price Index for all items shows the inflation rate averaged 2.6% a year from 1992 through 2007 but has doubled since January, reaching an annual rate of 5.6% in July. By next year, the monthly figure could hit double digits, and the inflation rate for 2009 overall could triple 2007’s 2.85%.
I say this not only because I have looked at a broad range of statistics that point in this direction. I also run a private equity investment firm that owns companies in a number of industries—including restaurants, the manufacture of gardening tools, oil and gas exploration services, and distribution of entertainment products such as books and videos—that are already being forced to pass price increases on to the consumer.
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/aug2008/db20080815_021990.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_news+%2B+analysis
CPI is easy to manipulate, highly controversial, and one of the most abused statistics in economics. We currently have a mixed bag of deflation of some assets, inflation in others. The ultimate direction of prices will depend on consumer preferences and priorities, and what constitutes relatively inelastic demand. If you are an ‘inflationista’, how do you explain:
-stagnant wages
-housing, stock market, and now even commodities are deflating
-money supply is decreasing
I buy gas and food every week and use it up constantly and have to buy more all the time, just like almost every last one of you, i’d suspect.
Prices on these 2 items have risen to the point of hyper-inflation, if they alone were barometers of how we judged things were really going, not pollyanna statistics…
Do you buy a house every week?
Do you buy a car every week?
Do you buy stocks every week?
RE: Prices on these 2 items have risen to the point of hyper-inflation
Here in the People’s Socialist Republic of Maine the price of a “6-PACK!” of non-swillish beer is now over $10.00 including taxes and deposit.
Maine is a beautiful place. I wouldn’t mind living on the coast there, somewhere. Of course, not sure I could afford that tax racket you’ve got going on.
RE: Maine is a beautiful place. I wouldn’t mind living on the coast there,
Ah, me Bantering Bear…scenery the Siren’s lure. If it paid the bills, everyone would be a millionaire, as one must be if they live on the coast…the property tax assessor’s just luv coastal shorefront owner’s.
Well stated, HD. I surely wouldn’t be interested in purchasing, just renting, if ever I were to do such a thing. And, it wouldn’t be a “view” home either. Just somewhere near the coast where I could get to the shore without too much hassle. I have a friend who works in Bar Harbor. She loves it there.
Perception of inflation is more influenced by purchases that are made frequently, but that doesn’t mean that those items actually have more influence on the overall economy. You may not buy a car every week, but people buy cars every week. You may not buy a house every week, but people buy houses every week.
And buy gas every week? Are you kidding? I don’t even buy gas once a month.
“And buy gas every week? Are you kidding? I don’t even buy gas once a month.”
Out west, the distances are vast and seldom is there an alternative, as far as effective public transport is concerned.
Most everybody buys gas, once to twice a week in the major metropolitan areas, on the left coast.
Polly’s correct, aladinsane. A great many services and manufactured goods have not gone up in price at all. Consider:
> cost of electronics versus the value/entertainment they provide. The fact that you can buy a 27-inch color television for $200 rather than $2,000 is astounding.
> clothing (I can buy Levi’s now - same style - at a sticker price that’s less than the sticker price I paid back in 1982).
> furniture. I paid far less for my living room furniture in 2007 (Ethan Allen) than my parents paid for theirs in 1965 (also Ethan Allen), after taking inflation into account. About 70-72 percent less, in fact.
Aside - Someone here mentioned bread for $5 a loaf. Funny, I pay $2.39 for mine. I guess my tastes aren’t as highbrow as some. Guess what? $5 bread SHOULD cost $5, considering that it’s about as close to gourmet as one could reasonably expect from a factory. It costs a lot of money to produce bread made with 12 different grains, or cranberries, blueberries, etc.
And yuppie beer SHOULD cost $10 for a six pack. Don’t like it? Buy cheaper brew and learn to settle for something not so sophisticated. Your parents and grandparents did.
I have noticed paper back books have gone up at least $1.
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So there is inflation…and the best hedge against inflation is (a) big asset(s) and cars, houses, and commodities as well as the stock market are looking like they’re about to deflate…can you win for losing? Serious question.
Note: I am mostly invested in global water infrastructure, general ETF-y equities, Brazilian growth but mostly (primarily) cash. I do feel like I’m on a greased highwire these days.
‘Greased highwire, which is electrified, while afraid of heights, easily spooked by sudden noise and unable to see with or without glasses’. Me too, and also angry at the suits plus whatever they wear on casual fridays.
hee!
I’m sure the stock market will rally and gold will fall.
So now that Hurricane Fay looks like it will make a direct hit on Tampa, what do you think that will do to housing values (which have already cratered since 2005)?
Of course they’ll go down, but by how much? Is it possible that coastal Tampa condos will actually become worthless? Will it become impossible to get homeowner’s insurance on FL’s west coast?
ill it become impossible to get homeowner’s insurance on FL’s west coast?
Its already pretty much all state pool anyway.
We all know Florida real estate is in big trouble, but its going to take a much larger Hurricane than Fay to knock the state as flat as you propose.
OT: Its almost like the 2008 hurricanes are being named after my cousins! (Fay is one cousin’s nickname!) To say the least its creating a bit of family humor to see who’s name does the most damage.
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Neil
Although it will rattle nerves, a weak cat. 1 is not likely to do serious damage.
S.C. puts pension funds into real estate
Managers see chance to rake in double-digit returns
http://www.thestate.com/local/story/492657.html
In expanding its investments into real estate, “we’re making sure we’ve done all the right things to shore up our decision-making process,” said State Treasurer Converse Chellis.
He says the state has purchased mortgage-backed commercial real estate securities for only a fraction of what those investments are worth. The goal, Chellis said, is to buy low and sell high, paying 20 cents on the dollar for securities and, later, selling them for 40 cents or 60 cents on the dollar.
“You really can’t go wrong in the long run,” Chellis said, “if you find those kinds of investments.”
Buy now or be priced out forever.
Sorry, placed in wrong location.
Rattling nerves is all Fay has to do. Any knife catcher within range of a TV will say “Oh sure, it was just a Catagory 1, this time…” and there goes the house values. Not just for Tampa, but for most of the Gulf coast.
“and there goes the house values. Not just for Tampa, but for most of the Gulf coast.”
Oh please. Is this the very first hurricane to ever hit the state of Florida?
True. Real estate speculators have very short memories.
Actually, it might! There are a lot of new, empty houses all throughout Florida. Many people find leaks in their new homes (think of the slap-dash construction!) only after the first storm or two. For example, I know a whole bunch of people who had problems with so-called “synthetic stucco” that is porous if not applied exactly to spec.
So think of an empty house with even a small leak after a year. It will be one big moldy mess!
You’ll see a lot of 1 to 3 year-old homes that will have to be torn down after a few average storms and a year of sitting empty.
“You’ll see a lot of 1 to 3 year-old homes that will have to be torn down after a few average storms and a year of sitting empty.”
And that does what to supply? Anyone? It reduces supply. And reducing supply tends to cause prices to what? Anyone? Anyone?
I’ll bite.
It will cause more price losses because now it is only the value of the lot. With the cost of the lot, laboor, material, and utilities already in place, it will cost much less to build new on that lot. So house prices will drop even more. This is not your average supply/demand equation. It really is different this time.
I’ll bite,
With the house reduced to lot value and the cost of labor and materials deflated it will lower the cost of houses.
Thiss is not your average supply/demand equation. It really is different this time.
There’s SO MUCH INVENTORY that in the short term it will cause prices to drop. Why? Because houses on a block where there are boarded-up abandoned houses next-door won’t sell for much.
I’ve seen those weak Cat 1’s get into the gulf and reorganize into big trouble.
Sure hope that’s not the case with Fay.
Leigh
Depends on the flooding……..how far will the storm surge…
and will there be any permanent water or structural damage on all those cheaply built beachfront hi-rise kondoze?
Imagine $500K studios inhabitable after a cat 1 storm…
That should calm the market…..
May be it will help Florida’s drought.
We own a insurance agency that does Fl..it will not be impossible, however the carriers that you have to chose from are limited, some times there is no choice..
Currently Fl is laid out like a grid…depending on where you fall in the grid, age of home and other circumstances, it determines carriers and rates..
Of course any storm hitting FL has a impact on insurance rates and policies throughout the entire state…
smathis:
Not being smart here, OK? Moved to Fl in 04, and got hit by 4 hurricanes, Charley was a good boy, lost roof, no power 8 weeks, etc., and there is no way to tell if this storm will become a hurricane and where it will hit. However, Fay may, (rhymes if that’s her name, I forgot), and Fae (2 spellings) may hit Tampa too.
Most of the time, the three day NOAA projections end up being in error. However, you do raise a good point. If Florida gets hit by a Cat 3, 4, 5 this year, it could be the proverbial nail in the coffin.
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“Inflation in San Diego outpaced the national average over the past year, fueled by price spikes in gasoline prices, according to data released yesterday by the U.S. Labor Department.”
http://tinyurl.com/62psfa
“There’s no putting a gloss on this,” said Dan Seiver, an economist at San Diego State University. “Those are really bad numbers, showing a lot of economic pain.”
“Seiver predicted that the inflation rate will decrease dramatically over the next several months, as gasoline prices continue to fall below the $4 mark.”
There were inflation problems before the surge in gas prices. Those aren’t going away soon even if gas prices fall some.
“The numbers in the next couple reports should look terrific,” he said. “With the falling price of gasoline, consumers will start feeling unusually good, kind of the way you feel when you stop hitting your head with a hammer. It’s not that your head is feeling great, but you’ve stopped hitting it, so you feel a lot better.”
I don’t feel unusually good if gas falls to a mere $4/gallon. Now if I were beating a certain SDSU “economist” over the head with a sledge hammer, I might feel exceptionally good.
STILL four dollars?! I just refilled for $3.39 point nine yesterday.
I actually saw regular unleaded for $3.87 a gallon in queens nyc
cheapest i have seen in months
“STILL four dollars?! I just refilled for $3.39 point nine yesterday.”
The expensive places are still above $4, the cheaper a little under $3.90. I wouldn’t necessarily mind having it go back to $4.50. It keeps the traffic tolerable.
We’re still at 4+ in Chicago. I’m in the burbs, was 395 at local station on Thursday, Friday morning back up to 409. We do have more taxes than a lot of places, but I’ve never figured out why the heck we’re always so high in the metro area.
Anyway, definitely much worse in the city due to the chicago taxes.
SteveW -
Gas prices are always so high throughout ChicagoLand because federal law mandates 16 different formulations for gasoline throughout the area (I believe it is 16…it may be 14). In any event, no other location in America is required to do so much to Save The Environment.
Predictably, because Illinois is the most socialist state in the country, no elected official ever argues the thoroughly confiscatory nature of it all. They LIKE it.
It’s one of the many reasons I just moved from Chicago to Colorado. TABOR is a mighty attractive thing.
Not sure if you will see this, but thanks, that might explain it. Will have to look into that.
$4.05 in Medford, OR this am
The boorish need not apply.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=ah.H2xr8CZ.4&refer=home
“Aug. 15 (Bloomberg) — Jonathan Downey, the owner of the East Room club on the edge of London’s financial district, says bankers are the last people he wants as members.
“We don’t want the archetypal City idiot, waving his cash about at the bar and braying like a buffoon and annoying women,” said Downey, 42, whose club charges men an annual membership fee of 350 pounds ($655). Women pay 150 pounds.”
Now this attitude is what separates the city from the burbs where high income types are too often Tephlon gods.
Too Funny!
The 24 y/o hedge fund manager isn’t cool enough.
Ya just can’t make this stuff up!
Leigh
Fairfax county Virginia reported an overall increase in jobs by 1100 so far this year (mostly in IT and professional services)?
This what happens when the lost jobs in construction go unreported?
Or were the construction jobs lost a while ago, and this is businesses moving back office stuff out of the district and into cheaper digs? Professional services could be lawyers and accountants, but it also could be $12 an hour temps…
RE: Fairfax county Virginia reported an overall increase in jobs by 1100 so far this year (mostly in IT and professional services)?
Professional services could be lawyers
My guess is it would be DEBT COLLECTORS hired by lawyers for either themselves or clients.
Lots of want ads appearing in the local employment ads for those positions these days.
IT jobs are probably telephone flak deflectors hired by software companies like Microsoft and ZoneAlarm who disabled internet connections for a bazillion Comcast customers when one of their daily security upgrades went hay-wire.
I just got off of Dice.com (updated my resume and did a job search). Still a lot of IT jobs. My first choice is California (my native state). I see lots of IT jobs that I can certainly get in within a phone interview 95 miles up I-95 from where I am now. My shop’s Beverly location does not seem to want to deal with them.
There are some good embedded software jobs in Maryland and the D.C. area. Found a handful in Arlington that seem to be good long term.
I’m starting my search early and expect to start a new gig in November. Yeah more than 2 months away but you cannot start too early.
I had a total 6 weeks of downtime between jobs since June of 1985 in computer science. Not bad.
B.i.M.:
Does your conscience ever bother you, knowing you’re part of the lion’s share of intelligentsia in our country that has been bought and paid for, and keeps their mouths shut about the bigger picture, because the government spigot @ their defense industry job keeps money flowing like honey?
Not at all. I have been a libertarian activist and voted libertarian in all but one election since 1978. How about you?
Do you feel guilty laundering your money to somewhere outside the U.S.?
I’ve laundered laundry outside of the U.S., but never cash…
The lost jobs were ILLEGALs doing construction.
Affordability will lead us to real estate recovery
http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080817/COLUMNISTS42/808170318/1014/business
Likewise, our market will catch fire again, and it will start the same way. Affordable real estate, particularly homes listed below $250,000, is our market’s kindling. Fortunately, Lee County is flush in this price range because 54 percent of our existing home inventory consists of homes priced below that amount. Think back. Affordability sparked our last real estate boom, and affordability will lead us to the next one.
So until it’s against the law, we will continue to hear and see news reports about Florida’s falling real estate prices. When this happens, don’t get upset; just visualize more kindling being added to the fire. Then, all that’s left for us to do is to pick up some weenies and a bag of marshmallows, because it will just be a matter of time before we’re cooking again.
So just sit back and enjoy the flame, as each new foreclosure can be considered another log on the affordabilty fire.
It wasn’t “affordability” that created the last boom. It was “E-Z FINANCING!”
Only a fool, like our proverbial strawberry-picking single mom, would confuse “affordability” with “low monthly payments.”
And that’s a big problem! The fools are the one our Government is throwing billions of dollars at to “keep them in their homes” while the wise folks who wanted nothing to do with crazy financing schemes are being forced to pay for it all.
It’s almost like the United States wants all the productive responsible citizens to leave! (I know California state wants me to take my business and leave! There have been proposals to triple the taxes that my buisness pays!)
The more successful you are the more handicaps you must wear.
“Harrison Bergeron” by Kurt Vonnegut. This very short story can read online at:
http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/hb.html
Great story! And sadly, it’s largely true.
An example: An associate of mine forwarded a project to me his son made for an “AP History” class in high school. It was a “rap” video, crudely edited, with a stolen soundtrack, and very crude lyrics.
Thinking back to some of the projects that were expected of me for PUBLIC high school, like performing all of Bach’s “Symphonia” (aka the “Three Part Inventions”) on piano for the whole school as well as playing a Mozart piano concerto with the high school orchestra, I couldn’t help but think that the whole world has become watered down to make sure No Child Feels Inadequate.
The No Child Feels Behind policy.
I went to the Montgomery County Agricultural Fair yesterday. What a hoot! I also spent some time getting supplies I needed to finish two unfinished maple night stands I bought off Craig’s List to use to hold desk supplies (and finally dump the really ugly IKEA drawers I have been using since law school).
A few observations:
Skilled sales people cannot make unessary products appealing. Especially when they are selling expensive kitchen wares.
If you are selling dip mixes, free samples are a good place to start, but you really should have an answer other than “it is spicy” when asked why one mix is called “Southern Maryland Dip.” Seriously, you couldn’t have just said that it goes well with crab cakes? No one ever asked the question before?
Even an unskilled sales person with a really appealing product may be successful. I bought two ounces of the most fabulous smelling herbal tea (hibiscus lime). All she had to do was put out little dishes of the stuff for people to sniff. It sold itself.
How can people not understand that a game where you hit something with a hammer to ring a bell that is completely electronic (no physical weight sliding up a pole) is rigged. Entirely rigged. Even a physical one can be rigged if they increase the coefficient of friction on the upper section of the pole, but a completely electronic one? Are you kidding me?
And finally, Home Depot has found a good quality of worker, at least at Gaithersburg and at least in the paint/finishes department. He knew all about his products, explained everything, told me what I needed and didn’t push me to get more than that. Perfect. Way better than the guy at Sears. And way better than the guy (possible owner or at least family of owner) at the independent unfinished furniture store I tried first. All the guy at the unfinished furniture store wanted to talk about was where I got the furniture - like he was offended I didn’t get it from him. Hey, buddy. If you don’t want to sell the finishes to people who don’t buy furniture from you, just say so. Don’t insult me. I can take my business elsewhere.
I had no problem staying away from the deep fried everything fair food. Seriously, it wasn’t even tempting - OK, sweet potato fries are a little tempting, but I resisted. I don’t really understand the phenomenon of the deep fried Oreos. Really, I don’t.
McCain and Obama suporters were fairly low key. Local politicians were remarkably absent. Giant Angora rabbits looke like mini-sheep. Pigs are very good sleepers. Showing steers has got to be difficult - they don’t seem to have the slightest desire to do what their handlers want them to do. Roosters are very very noisy. And, even kids that must spend most of their free time vegged out with a TV or over stimulated on video games will stand still for AGES watching a chick hatch. They were fascinated. Nice to know some things don’t change.
Yesterday, I drug my wife to a Half Price Bookstore while on another errand looking for a cheap copy of a book on an old computer language. I didn’t find anything useful. Then I did a silly thing. I pointed out the consignment shop on the other side of the strip mall. Now we are the proud owners of another framed picture, a brassish owl and a brassish reclining cupid. And we will be going back today with the larger car.
You broke FB’s STOP CONSIGNING YOUR BRASS RECLINING CUPIDS already!
In their defense, all the “salespeople” at the consignment store did was wrap and ring us up. I can’t really blame them
Then we went to Frys and were mobbed by the only go-getter worker there. He really did try to help us find the ink my wifes favorite paleolithic printer uses. But then getting him the credit he deserved for the assistance and hearing about how he couldn’t sell us the disk drive in another department turned into a somewhat lengthy process because of a down store computer and another salesman thinking we had taken his sheet of the printer and… In previous visits I hadn’t realized they worked on commission, the way most of them just stand around. Oh well, at least Frys has enough check out people. I don’t know if I can blame the determined salesperson at Frys on the housing bubble, but maybe it’s one more symptom of a slowing economy.
RE: 43 used & new available from $3.33
I wouldn’t even throw down the $3.33 watching this clown’s performance during his NAR tenure.
Matt,
I wish retailers would figure out an industry system to better determine whether customers entering their outlets would like to be immediately swarmed and hassled by a salesperson or not.
I HATE salespeople who pounce on me the second I enter their store. My thought process is one of - Hey Bub or Bubbett! Leave me the heck alone! If I have a question or need help, I’ll come find you.
Naturally, other shoppers LOVE to be waited on. I HATE it.
Can’t retailers hand shoppers a piece of color-coded paper at their doors that the customer can pin to his or her shirt so that they can communicate what type of customer they are?
I’ve turned heel and left MANY stores the second some sales rep decides to pounce and get in my face. I really can’t stand it. Give me a three-word greeting salespeople, then scram.
Polly, Your posts are always insightful.
“I don’t really understand the phenomenon of the deep fried Oreos”
OK, I have to admit, the Oreo is one of my weaknesses. So I looked up their history. They came to market in 1912. I consider them part of America’s heritage, like Irving Berlin, George and Ira Gershwin, Harold Arlen (Wizard of Oz soundtrack, Stormy Weather) ,…
Ah, America… we once were grand.
consider them part of America’s heritage, like Irving Berlin, George and Ira Gershwin, Harold Arlen (Wizard of Oz soundtrack, Stormy Weather)….Ah, America… we once were grand.
Absolutely! And part of why we’re not grand anymore is that “the left” is blaming Jews for everything. If people like Irving Berlin, the Gershwins, and Harold Arlen/Yip Harbug existed today would be blamed for killing Cindy Sheehan’s son instead of celebrated. (Cindy, running for Congress in California, blames “the Jews” for the war in Iraq)
reuven-
Thanks for correcting me, they were a team (Arlen/Harbug). I am amazed how many the songwriters and composers coming out of tin pan alley were children of Jewish Immigrants. Even Cole Porter (Midwest Christian, btw) took George Gershwin’s advice, and started to make it big,when he wrote “yiddish” sounding melodies. I am learning piano, and have studied this era, and the players.
Irving Berlin’s “God Bless America” was Israel Baline’s (his birth name) thank you to America.
“Who’s ever heard of a Jewish entertainer?”
- Homer Simpson
Thank you, awaiting.
Perhaps I should confess that a large part of the reason I don’t understand the deep fried Oreo is that I don’t actually like Oreos. Never have. I used to take them at my grandmother’s house when I was a kid, put the scraped off the filling into a plastic baggie, sneek the cookie parts into the trash, and then knead the filling part in the bag until little crystals started to form. My mother would have killed me if she had known - not for not eating cookies, but for taking food that I had no intention of eating. Besides, my grandmother made chocolate chip cookies. Even if I had liked Oreos, I never would have picked them over grandma’s.
Makes the whole not understanding the deep fried ones sound a lot more pedestrian, though. I saw a show a few days ago on the food channel about deep dried food in the US. There’s a fish and chips place in Brooklyn that serves deep fried twinkies with raspberry sauce. I wonder if they use different oil for the twinkies?
A buddy of mine was working as a PA on a TV show years ago. He was snacking on an Oreo when a voice behind him said, “kid, you know why you like that so much?” He turned around to see a smiling Dick Clark, who explained: “It’s the first cookie to be simultaneously salty and sweet, which makes you want to keep eating them.”
Polly-
The Chocolate Chip Cookie is the big “O” of cookies. I am partial to CCC’s w/ nuts.
Truly, one of the greatest American food inventions.
Polly is a marketing genius and insightful writer. The only man who could school her about putting lipstick on a pig and creating a beauty queen is Karl Rove.
Wasn’t there a picture in the papers a few years ago with Karl “turd blossom” Rove reclining in front of an airplane wheel? That was a mighty pretty picture. It had so much “scope for imagination” (with a nod to Lucy Maud Montgomery).
Showing steers has got to be difficult
You should try breaking one to lead. It turns out there’s not much difference between “following” and “chasing”.
I noticed that the showers were almost always to the side of the animal’s head as they walked. Didn’t really consider the details of why beyond wanting to see what the animal was doing. That makes things a lot clearer. To the side seemed a little more dangerous to me, at least with the long horns where a careless head toss could be a problem.
Yes, there were long horns at a Maryland county fair.
DEAN CALBREATH
Olympics showcase our biggest creditor
August 17, 2008
Over the past nine days, the world has been entranced by the Beijing Olympics.
For Americans, of course, the Olympics are more than a chance to see the world’s greatest swimmer grab another gold, or to debate when those “16-year-old” Chinese gymnasts were born.
The Olympics also allow us to get a better glimpse of our No. 1 creditor, the nation most responsible for financing our debts and allowing us to continue our irresponsible spending habits: China.
Working with middle aged linux computer nerds, it’s a bit disconcerting to discover that the Olympics is good for finding out that I’m surrounded at work by swimmers, shooters, judo experts, archers sons and gymnasts mothers.
We’re concerned about cheating when it comes to potentially underage overachievers athletically, but not so much when it pertains to overage overachievers in matters of a financial vein…
RE: The Olympics also allow us to get a better glimpse of our No. 1 creditor, the nation most responsible for financing our debts and allowing us to continue our irresponsible spending habits: China.
Yup, sign me up for a bazillion inane, intellectually insulting commercials from an alphabet soup network.
Haven’t watched a minute.
The dopers, age cheats, state trained robots, and politics involved in scoring make the entire affair a big charade.
Instead of hanging around the boob tube watching well oiled machines show their overwhelming abilities honed from years of doing the same stupid thing over and over again…
Why not go take a hike in the mountains, breathing in the rarefied air & flowers (the Leopard Lily is my favorite) and be the athlete instead?
RE: Why not go take a hike in the mountains, breathing in the rarefied air & flowers (the Leopard Lily is my favorite) and be the athlete instead?
It’s George Thorogood & Buddy Miles for me tonight.
Catch the great ones while you still can!
No there’s positive!
Why not go take a hike in the mountains, breathing in the rarefied air & flowers (the Leopard Lily is my favorite) and be the athlete instead?
I agree 110%. Why just be a spectator. One can enjoy life by being part of the game. We recently hiked the Canadian Rockies from Banff to Jasper and back to Banff. Saw a black bear with 2 cubs, big horn, White Mountain goats, and lots of Elk.
Do you have anything cheerful to say?
Perhaps I should emulate you and overdescribe my man-friday lifestyle of jetting to this or that defense industry job posting of your choosing, to the nth detail?
Do you have any other trait besides envy?
Why would I be envious of your life?
It sounds dreadful…
So would taking $10,000.01 out of the U.S. per trip - dreadful consequences.
Don’t you realize that the law allows up to $9,999.99 to be taken out of the country, without reporting it?
If I wanted your 2 Cents worth of opinion, that would put us over…
yes, $9999.99 in spot price value, but not in face value stamped on the gold.
Why would our government value a 1 Troy Ounce Buffalo 24K Gold Coin @ $50.00, if they didn’t know what they were doing?
Does gold set off metal detectors? I’ve never been clear if that technology is actually a metal detector or just detects metals with particular properties.
In small quantities, about 2 ounces, it won’t set off metal detectors. A Fistful might set off metal detectors. Traveling between East coast and Arizona, I once had 2 ounces in my front pocket - did not set off. Usually 2 ounces in the bag but I get paranoid of where the TSA hands go on the other side of that machine. Occasionally I take a fistful of precious metals with me and allow a more detailed security check. They just wave wands overy you, that’s all, and they especially check the feet.
Aladinsane, to answer your last question, government is force. They make the laws and they are subjective, and in many cases capricious. I’m seriously sure you know that. You may not like it, I may not like it, and I do my part to try to change those laws by voting Libertarian.
You sure pussyfoot around vaguely claiming that i’ve broken some laws, but you haven’t any proof, so why do you bother?
“The dopers, age cheats, state trained robots, and politics involved in scoring make the entire affair a big charade.”
Geez guys, get a grip. Isn’t it possible to “be the athlete” as well as enjoy seeing competition between others, especially on the world stage that only happens every 4 years? Or are those mutually exclusive things? I rode my bike from Seattle to Portland a few weeks ago. With some luck, I’ll be windsurfing this afternoon. And yet, I’ve watched as much as I can of the Olympics (or at least the events that interest me).
Some of you just enjoy defiance as a way to avoid risk in your every day lives.
I’m especially surprised to hear it from you, Alad, given that (aside from the FEW louts who do dope themselves) the Olympics are a great display of humans testing the limits of physical endurance, many of which are held outside.
I guess straw man is the easier game to play…Were you guys picked last in gym class, by chance?
Best hope for a revitalized U.S. economy? Accomplishing this feat might also require dismantling the PPT, in order to eliminate the too-big-to-fail bailout subsidy which helps keep banking behemoths afloat. Is either of our current presidential candidates up to the task?
With losses growing, some push splitting up big banks
By Joe Bel Bruno
ASSOCIATED PRESS
August 17, 2008
NEW YORK – America’s biggest banks have suffered unprecedented losses from the ongoing credit crisis, and that’s made some investors question whether the big financial conglomerates should be broken up in order to survive.
Breakup advocates, who for months have been clamoring for Citigroup to be dismantled, got some validation of their viewpoint this past week. Europe’s UBS – created through the combination of Swiss Bank Corp. and Union Bank of Switzerland in 1997 – on Wednesday laid the groundwork to tear up its business model after another quarter of steep losses.
Wish the article had specified why the critic thought Citigroup would be worth more split up. Is it just that there are some stupid CEOs out there that still believe some of the Citi business lines will achieve “synergy” with their companies? Yeah, it might create some value for Citigroup shareholders short term, but it will most likely come out of the pockets of the shareholders of the other companies. Those acquisitions don’t do what the corptoate finance guys say they are going to do very often.
If they mean they can unload the worst of the obligations into undercapitalized sections and leave any viable businesses without responsibility for the debts taken on over the last 5 years? I think the creditors would have something to say abou that.
“corptoate finance ” = “corporate finance”
Best-laid plans
Poor communication, questionable transactions among the signs that it’s time to fire financial adviser
By Dave Carpenter
ASSOCIATED PRESS
August 17, 2008
Telephone calls began flooding in to financial planners early last month as the pain of June 30 account statements hit home.
For many clients who had relied on advisers to steer them through a turbulent market, steep drops in the value of their portfolios from as recently as a month earlier came as a double-digit shock.
“That’s when the phone calls start – when the market goes bad and they get a statement,” said Ed Gjertsen, a certified financial planner in Glenview, Ill.
Retirement seminars are again being touted where I work. The promoters are promising ten-percent withdrawls for life if the retiree will fork over to them their 401Ks and their cashed-out pensions.
I’ve seen the results of this strategy from nine or so years back, when the previous wave of these retirement seminars hit the scene. The people who retired then ended up financially screwed.
A ten-percent withdrawl in a four-percent world will end in tears.
Ten percent a year withdrawals for life works as long as you don’t live more than about 12 years after you retire!
Bill –
Considering that 70 will be the age of retirement for the vast majority of Americans in the not-so-distant future, 12 years of withdrawals might just about do it.
Well, maybe 17.
But you get my drift.
I have a simple solution for this problem: Get the gubmint off the back of the housing market and let prices correct down to affordable levels. Renters will once again be able to afford to become owners, and we will be able to collectively enjoy all the vaunted benefits of the ownership society.
Of course, I realize prices are already falling, but I also see evidence the gubmint is working hard behind the scenes to slow the pace of correction (not to suggest that it seems to be working…). The retail market is still not rationally pricing in recent changes to the fundamental picture (foreclosure glut, credit crunch, recession, etc).
Apartment complex
As numbers of rental units rise, myriad problems can develop for owners
By Emmet Pierce
STAFF WRITER
August 17, 2008
As the slumping housing market erodes equity for many San Diego County homeowners, analysts say condominium communities face additional challenges as sales slow and renter populations grow.
A large influx of renters into these developments can raise concerns that include falling property values, difficulty in selling units and less favorable lending terms when the time comes to finance structural improvements.
Hat tip to the GSEs for this step in the right direction. Perhaps the War on Savers is ending?
NATION’S HOUSING
KENNETH HARNEY
Freddie and Fannie adjust their fees
August 17, 2008
WASHINGTON – The two biggest sources of mortgages for American home buyers plan to raise their base fees to counter what they see as continuing “adverse conditions” in the real estate marketplace.
At the same time, however, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – who currently fund over three-quarters of all new home loans – also plan to selectively reduce fees for certain applicants whose likelihood of default and foreclosure appear to be lower than the companies’ previous estimates.
“In our civilization, and under our republican form of government, intelligence is so highly honored that it is rewarded by exemption from the cares of office.”
Ambrose Bierce
Ambrose Bierce comes back from the grave to comment on G W Bush:
“I was making a joke about the lack of intelligence among our political leadership. But this guy is ridiculous. It’s one thing to appear unintelligent, but he makes a point of demonstrating his stupidity daily.”
I’m watching his mouthpiece Frau Condoleeza on Meet The Press, complain about a stronger country taking advantage of a smaller one, by invading militarily…
She also worries about Russia’s reputation.
Nobody can call the kettle black, like her.
If you can’t distinguish between a vicious, murderous dictatorship (Iraq) ignoring countless peace agreements with the U.S. (whose violation legally permitted the U.S.to invade, regardless of the U.N.’s approval), as well as stealing billions (almost all of it from the US) intended as aid to feed its own people . . . if you can’t distinguish between this from a tiny democracy (Georgia) doing nothing . . . if you think the US invasion of Iraq and the Russian invasion of Georgia are morally equivalent–then you need some serious psychological testing. Calling Rice Frau, to imply that she’s a Nazi, is ridiculous. The two invasions have nothing in common, nor are the intended consequences remotely similar.
Whether the Iraq war was a good or bad move, there is no question that 99.9% of our soldiers there are trying to help, not hurt, the citizens. And the Iraqis’ oil remains their property, not ours.
Russia is trying to kill the citizens of Georgia for daring to claim independence, and to gain control of their oil and pipeline. The USSR has played this same hand over and over, and ignoring Soviet history to score a fake political point is just astounding.
Her words about Russia described our actions elsewhere and their consequences to our reputation, with clockwork precision, inadvertently or not.
It’s easy for other countries to criticize and deride the US when most of them either do nothing to protect themselves (much of Europe) or treat everyone, including their own peoples, like dirt (the Middle East).
Note that your name breakes down to a-lad-insane.
I don’t know about insane, but illogical, definitely.
I was opposed to the war in Iraq, because I thought it would be like poking a stick into a hornets’ nest, but Saddam would not have stayed in power and done the things he did without the support of Russia, Germany, and France, all of whom had billion dollar deals going on with him, and whose wheelers and dealers were getting huge kickbacks. Therefore, their opinions of the USA, whom they stabbed in the back (along with the millions of Iraqis Saddam was killing or abusing), means little to me. Because they would not stand against him, we ended up going to war.
I noted with great interest the anti-US demonstrations in France, Germany, and Great Britain; most of the crows appeared to be Muslim, or at least judging from the women’s outfits, and the laughable signboards.
Putin is a KGB bully and always has been. He murders his opponents, and nobody utters a word of criticism; nobody, that is, nobody but the US and sometimes the UK. If he revives the USSR, this will change. Talk to someone who lived under, and escaped, Soviet Communism. It was beyond horrible, and nothing the US has ever done remotely compares. Most of the dubious things we did (propping up idiot dictators, etc.) were to counter Soviet aggression, it being thought then that lesser evils were, well, lesser, than greater evils. Today there are millions of people who cannot judge things by degree, size, or influence. To them, shooting a would-be murderer trying to kill someone is even worse than letting him carry out his plan, and mass-murderers (Ted Bundy, for example) executed in prisons are mourned as if they were innocent babies, while actual innocent babies are thrown in trashcans without a hint of protest from the pacifists (many of whom do the throwing). Everything has been turned upside down, good becoming evil, and evil becoming good.
What the US did in Iraq was ill-conceived, even assinine, but not malicious; we were not trying to acquire a new state. What Russia is doing is extremely well-planned and absolutely malicious. It is trying to reacquire an independent territory. The USSR gobbled up countries right and left, and Putin appears determined to rebuild it, bigger and meaner than ever. But, will all those countries in Europe that critize the US say anything? No, because they always bootlick those they fear, rather than risk their wrath. They don’t fear us, because they know we will never harm them; therefore, they can trash us. Since most of them would not exist had we not joined WWI and WWII, I would say “biting the hand that feeds” them is a very mild description of their behavior. Over a million American soldiers died to save them; how many of them have died to save Americans?
Georgia initiated the fighting. Russia didn’t attack until two days after Georgia started shelling innocent civilians. Look it up.
Blix attacks Iraq weapons ’spin’
Thursday, September 18, 2003 Posted: 1:15 PM EDT (1715 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/09/18/sprj.irq.blix.bush/index.html
Comparing the two countries to medieval witch-hunters, Blix said the British and U.S. governments convinced themselves Iraq posed a threat based on evidence that was later discredited — including forged documents about alleged attempts to buy uranium for nuclear weapons.
“In the Middle Ages when people were convinced there were witches they certainly found them. This is a bit risky,” Blix said.
Forget it, I’ll do it for you as I’m tired of the frackin MSM feeding BS to the US public and not being called on it.
This from Stratfor.
“On the night of Thursday, Aug. 7, forces of the Republic of Georgia drove across the border of South Ossetia, a secessionist region of Georgia that has functioned as an independent entity since the fall of the Soviet Union. The forces drove on to the capital, Tskhinvali, which is close to the border. Georgian forces got bogged down while trying to take the city. In spite of heavy fighting, they never fully secured the city, nor the rest of South Ossetia.
On the morning of Aug. 8, Russian forces entered South Ossetia, using armored and motorized infantry forces along with air power. South Ossetia was informally aligned with Russia, and Russia acted to prevent the region’s absorption by Georgia. Given the speed with which the Russians responded — within hours of the Georgian attack — the Russians were expecting the Georgian attack and were themselves at their jumping-off points. The counterattack was carefully planned and competently executed, and over the next 48 hours, the Russians succeeded in defeating the main Georgian force and forcing a retreat. By Sunday, Aug. 10, the Russians had consolidated their position in South Ossetia.”
“It is very difficult to imagine that the Georgians launched their attack against U.S. wishes. The Georgians rely on the United States, and they were in no position to defy it. This leaves two possibilities. The first is a massive breakdown in intelligence, in which the United States either was unaware of the existence of Russian forces, or knew of the Russian forces but — along with the Georgians — miscalculated Russia’s intentions. The United States, along with other countries, has viewed Russia through the prism of the 1990s, when the Russian military was in shambles and the Russian government was paralyzed. The United States has not seen Russia make a decisive military move beyond its borders since the Afghan war of the 1970s-1980s. The Russians had systematically avoided such moves for years. The United States had assumed that the Russians would not risk the consequences of an invasion.”
http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2008/08/russogeorgian_war_and_balance.html
The US is complicit in the murder by shelling of hundreds, if not thousands, of innocent women and children. Spin that.
Georgians were conned into going to a peace meeting with Russian diplomats who never showed.Georgia was then given satellite photos of an armored column moving toward S. Ossetia; Georgia attempted to blow a bridge (100 miles away from their border)to stop it. It failed. Prices of gold, silver and oil plummet. The rest is “history”. Time to surf the survivalist sites to compare prices for MRE’s. Please folks, sell all your gold an silver before it becomes worthless again. Oh, I do hope prices dont fall to 2001 levels again. (Sarcasm off)
The idiot son has made an unforgettable history making career out of lying. I’m floored that there is still a clueless sloth still willing to defend him.
I’m surprized, Exeter, that Texchick hasn’t tracked you down and beaten you to a pulp.
Virtually every one of your postings includes some kind of political crap, always designed to insult, directly or indirectly, others on the blog, or half the population (those who consider themselves conservative). You call anyone who thinks differently than you idiot, fool, stooge, or anything else you can think of, but your arguments are always riddled with propaganda and factoids.
You hate George Bush. Who cares? You’ve told us a billion times. He’s on his way out. Get over it. Do you think Gore or Kerry would have been better? I don’t. And I don’t think Obama or McCain will be better, either.
Why do you live in a country you so hate and tear down at every opportunity? If you think you can do better, go to Iraq and save the people yourself. Go to Georgia and tell them that they started it, because that’s the story being put out by the Russian government and gobbled up by stupid Western reporters (the Russian government also claims the whole thing was concocted by our vice president to throw the November election). Do something other than bitch, whine, and rumormonger, at which you excel. You are a fanatic, trapped in the late 60s or early 70s, whether you lived through them or not; your politics are the same tired, tired politics of every boring, aging radical left in the US.
In all the years you’ve been posting here, you’ve trashed, and trashed, and trashed other posters, and never apologized to those who’ve responded with astonishment or hurt. You’ve never admitted being wrong about anything. You are a nasty, self-inflated twit. And let me the first to apologize for saying so before I say it again.
Twit.
Clueless sloth. Three toed?
Whatever happened to Oil For Food anyway?
Just wondering.
So you can stop wondering.
http://www.un.org/depts/oip/
As you might suspect, I didn’t bother (and won’t bother) to read your attached piece as approved by the U.N.
The U.N. has proven itself corrupt over and over again. There’s no reason for me to take what they say as remotely truthful.
Same is true for the NY Times.
What a way to stay dumfounded and befuddled in wonderment.
(Bierce’s heir apparent?)
Is Jon Stewart the Most Trusted Man in America?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/arts/television/17kaku.html?_r=1&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin
Stephen Colbert is!
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/08/14/colbert_bump/
I’d say Robert Toll is the most trussed man in America…
LOL Alad,
From the man that gave us “…We’re in deep doodoo”.
I still crack up on that one.
Leigh
If it is really a zero-interest (govt subsidized) loan, why are they calling the $7500 first-time-buyer purchase incentive a tax credit? True tax credits do not have to be repaid.
There is something closely akin about this program to high-risk lending: It reduces a buyer’s initial cost of getting into a home by charging him more down the road (in this case, in the form of repayment of the misnamed “tax credit”).
Compared to the large fortune Californian home owners have recently been losing through the negative home equity wealth effect, $7500 is a drop in the bucket, especially given that it must be repaid.
HOUSING SCENE
LEW SICHELMAN
Builders bet on tax credit to help boost lagging sales
August 17, 2008
WASHINGTON – If early curiosity is any indication, the temporary $7,500 tax credit enacted by Congress as part of the Housing and Economic Recovery Act may just turn out to be the motivation needed to bring home buyers back into the market, cut into excess inventory and halt the slide in prices.
“This isn’t a tax deduction, which is subtracted from the amount of income that’s taxed. Rather, it is a credit, which is a dollar-for-dollar reduction in what you owe Uncle Sam. And it must be repaid at the rate of $500 per year for 15 years.”
“However, you won’t have to start making payments until two years after the credit is claimed. So, if you claim the credit in the 2009 tax year, the initial $500 payment isn’t due until you file your tax return for 2011.”
“There is something closely akin about this program to high-risk lending: It reduces a buyer’s initial cost of getting into a home by charging him more down the road (in this case, in the form of repayment of the misnamed “tax credit”).”
How is this any different from a “teaser rate” loan? Pass off a loan as a “tax credit” Nice work propagandists at the NAHB. Your industry’s still a sewer.
“For married people filing separately or single taxpayers, the maximum is $3,500.”
Less than half the “married” amount. Prices are falling more than that per month. Great incentive to buy - not.
RE: $7500 is a drop in the bucket
Higher closing costs attributable to massive lender volume decreases and new Fan & Fred underwriting charges will wipe out this piddlely pittance in a nano-second.
Just some chumpster idea from a glob of bureaucrats who need to look like they are producing something to earn their paychecks
The other bit I neglected to mention is that (as your post suggests) some or all of the $7500 will get capitalized into an increase in the price buyers would otherwise have to pay. REIC members (home sellers, builders and lenders) will soak up some or all of the “tax credit” up front, which the duped buyers will get to repay later through return of the temporary tax credit plus a reduction in the price for which they can sell their home later compared to the purchase price.
Hey will I get that tax credit if I buy that $1 house in Detroit?
The details of implementation aren’t out, but it is limited to 10% of the purchase price. You want the loan for $0.10?
No one can pull a bait and switch quite like our beloved govt. Angels, all of them.
is this bait and switch?
sell it as a credit and fine print the recapture. This is just paper fodder in the ever evolving game of Tax. Get the lemmings thinking it is win/win, we’re on the problem, and its all good…produces nothing from stimulating transaction oversight and interpretation.
this design of velocity of money transfer is not the solution.
Calling it a credit and not a loan makes it a bait and switch imo. Why not just call it a free loan?
Condo associations = worst home maintenance arrangement ever known to mankind? Tick, tick, tick…
Postponed repair work catching up with condos
Attorney: Owners face ‘a ticking time bomb’
By Lori Weisberg
STAFF WRITER
August 17, 2008
Dilapidated stairways, rickety decks, leaky roofs, moldy walls and corroded sewer pipes. These are the sort of structural headaches confronting scores of homeowner associations as costly repairs to older complexes drain their communal treasuries.
After years of deferred maintenance, compounded by tightfisted members’ unwillingness to pay higher monthly fees, condominium associations are facing a looming financial crisis, condo experts say.
“In order to maintain the assets, you have to have long-term thinking, but what we’ve seen is short-term people not planning for long-term futures,” said Karen Conlon, president of the California Association of Community Managers.
When repeated Band-Aid fixes no longer suffice, condominium owners find themselves on the hook for hefty special assessments, sometimes in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Increasingly, homeowner groups are having to take out loans to soften the blow of high levies.
“Deferred and unfunded maintenance is a ticking time bomb because so many homeowner associations are unprepared for it,” longtime condo attorney Erik Basil said. “What sometimes happens is association members don’t want to contemplate having to write a $1,000 or $5,000 check, so they pretend there’s nothing wrong, and that’s what has occurred for the last 10 years.”
I wonder what effect a global economic slowdown will have on housing prices? I realize that this time is different, but in past recessions, households became very precautious about making big ticket investments like purchasing houses and automobiles.
The week that risk became reality
Published: August 15 2008 19:31 | Last updated: August 15 2008 19:31
Trouble has been in prospect ever since the credit squeeze began last summer, but this was the week when both shoes dropped at once, everywhere from the UK to Japan and most points between. For decades, a concerted world slowdown would have only one cause: a US recession. That is no longer entirely true. To paraphrase Tolstoy, each unhappy economy is unhappy in its own way.
Japan has begun to contract, and plummeting exports are not the sole culprit: domestic demand is weak and consumer confidence has never been lower.
Spain’s economic woes have persuaded the prime minister, José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, to interrupt his summer holiday; the key problem there was a housing boom, an unsustainable overhang of new property, and the subsequent collapse of a construction sector that provided every eighth job. The UK’s housing boom has ended for a different reason: the banks no longer care to play the game.
Meanwhile, Germany’s resurgent export sector seems to have been smothered by a strong euro, and perhaps the hangover from an unexpectedly good first three months: the economy shrank by 0.5 per cent in the second quarter.
Yet in spite of this wide range of predicaments there is a common thread: the soaring price of commodities, coupled with the return of inflation, is hurting consumers and tying the hands of central bankers.
Is it Constitutionally legal for the Fed to offer below-market (subsidized) lending rates to its favored investment banking constituents on Wall Street, while consumers either have to pay much higher rates or in many cases simply cannot get loans? My impression was that the discount window was traditionally open on a limited basis with strings attached, including above-market interest rates. Now rates that consumers can earn on their deposits are paltry, and we have to pay much higher rates to the banks than the rates at which they are enabled to borrow from the Fed. Something smells very bad about this arrangement.
On Wall Street: Painful lessons in the meaning of the term ‘credit crunch’
By Michael Mackenzie in New York
Published: August 16 2008 03:00 | Last updated: August 16 2008 03:00
This week, The Chambers Dictionary introduced the term “credit crunch” to its readers. This could be viewed as indicating that “a sudden and drastic reduction in the availability of credit”, as defined by Chambers, has reached its apogee.
Unfortunately, a year after bankers first discovered the painful consequences of blowing bubbles in credit, getting a loan is only going to be harder in future.
That was the brutal reminder from the Federal Reserve’s Senior Loan Officer’s Survey this week. Among the dour highlights, some 60 per cent of banks told the survey that they would tighten limits for credit cards in the second half of 2008.
The next day, banks jumped over themselves to grab a slice of the $25bn that the Fed lent out for the next three months. Bidding for 28-day funds on Wednesday was also stronger than recent auctions, indicating that the banking pips are being squeezed.
At the very least, borrowing from the central bank was still below prevailing and elevated money market rates. Both Citi and AIG sold long-term bonds this week at levels way above Treasury yields.
Professor Bear -
Is the Federal Reserve constitutionally legal period? That’s the bigger question.
Builders hit by credit crunch as banks tighten cash flow
Banks curtail generous lending practices, putting projects on hold
By NANCY SARNOFF Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle
Aug. 16, 2008, 11:37PM
Nick Massad was within weeks of signing the papers on a construction loan to build a $55 million Embassy Suites near downtown’s Discovery Green park when the deal began to unravel.
He said the national hotel lender, which he declined to name, would no longer finance 75 percent of the project because it was having trouble getting other banks to participate, a practice used by lenders to limit their exposure to large loans.
Now the hotel developer is back in the market for new financing. This time around, he’s talking to a local bank, even though that means he’ll likely have to pay a higher interest rate, raise more equity and take out a secondary loan to get his hotel built.
“This tight financing market has made it really difficult,” Massad said. “Projects could go by the wayside.”
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TIGHT LENDING
Percentage of U.S. banks that reported having tightened their lending standards on commercial real estate loans in the second quarter for the past four years.
2008: 80 percent
2007: 27 percent
2006: 13 percent
2005: 6 percent
Source: Federal Reserve Board’s Senior Loan Officer Opinion Survey on Bank Lending Practices
RE: “This tight financing market has made it really difficult,” Massad said. “Projects could go by the wayside.”
Kinda like these busted MassHousing and non-profit condo fiasco’s?
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/08/17/condo_auctions_skyrocket
The description of what “tightening” meant back in 2005 would likely be fun to see. In late 2006, I believe tightening for FNM meant: We’ll stop taking liar loans… starting in 10 months or so.
Another casualty of the credit crunch: Sky football in British pubs
Pubs ditch Sky football as credit crunch bites
* Lisa Bachelor
* The Observer,
* Sunday August 17 2008
* Article history
Football fans hoping to catch this season’s Premier League matches at their neighbourhood pub should check that their local is still showing the game. The soaring cost of Sky subscriptions has resulted in 20 per cent of bars abandoning the service over the past five years, according to pub trade group ALMR, the Association of Licensed Multiple Retailers.
The group claims Sky’s premium package price - around £13,000 per annum - combined with the credit crunch effect of higher utility bills and fewer customers is forcing pubs to ditch the service.
‘Watching a big game in the local with a group of friends is as close to being there as you can get,’ said Nick Bish, chief executive of the ALMR. ‘It’s also the only place fans can watch live Premiership action for free. This pleasure is being threatened by Sky’s relentless price rises.’
A misnomer enters the English lexicon…
Let’s face it: ‘Credit crunch’ rolls off the tongue much more readily than ‘insolvency crisis.’
Credit crunch, ecovillage new words in dictionary
ASIANAGE
14 August, 2008 03:48:36
By OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
London
Aug. 14: Credit crunch, wardrobe malfunction, food miles, electrosmog, ecovillage, wags and HIP have got official sanction. It’s a long list of words, and influences and provenances are diverse, but all of have been included in the 11th edition of the Chambers Dictionary, which will be released in August.
Slowdown of global economy has found a mention in the dictionary in form of the phrase “credit crunch.”
Profile of “Dr Doom” Nouriel Roubini, the man who “saw it coming” in the NY Times Magazine today.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/magazine/17pessimist-t.html?_r=1&ref=magazine&oref=slogin
“The ’90s were an eventful time for an international economist like Roubini. Throughout the decade, one emerging economy after another was beset by crisis, beginning with Mexico’s in 1994. Panics swept Asia, including Thailand, Indonesia and Korea, in 1997 and 1998. The economies of Brazil and Russia imploded in 1998. Argentina’s followed in 2000. Roubini began studying these countries and soon identified what he saw as their common weaknesses. On the eve of the crises that befell them, he noticed, most had huge current-account deficits (meaning, basically, that they spent far more than they made), and they typically financed these deficits by borrowing from abroad in ways that exposed them to the national equivalent of bank runs. Most of these countries also had poorly regulated banking systems plagued by excessive borrowing and reckless lending. Corporate governance was often weak, with cronyism in abundance.”
Looks like the Shrub “eCONomy” in action. Will this end differently?
Many people saw it coming; I especially respect Marc Faber, Peter Schiff, the Mogambo guru, everyone at AsiaTimes, Jim Rogers, the gang at Itulip, James Turk, Doug Noland, John Browne, and Roubini.
A special place in hell awaits Franklin Raines, Bill ‘Pimpco’ Gross, the entire Bush administration, CNBC with special honorable mention to ‘Baghdad’ Larry Kudlow, the Bureau of Labored Statistics, everyone at NAR and its’ poisonous offshoots, the Fed, Alan Greenscam and too many others to mention.
There are two ways of spreading light; to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. -Edith Wharton
Many saw it coming, but Roubini deserves credit for publicizing the story. But he was not the only one; what about Robert Shiller, Dean Baker, Christopher Thornberg, and Ben Jones, to name a few others who deserve credit for sticking to their guns under fire from the REIC propaganda machine?
You forgot to mention Cramer’s destiny.
Don’t forget James Puplava and Jim Sinclair in the “those who saw it” list. And in an oblique way, Dave Ramsey for telling people to live below their means way before it was fashionable/necessary.
“When the economist Anirvan Banerji delivered his response to Roubini’s talk, he noted that Roubini’s predictions did not make use of mathematical models and dismissed his hunches as those of a career naysayer.”
The key fallacy of neoclassical economics:
Any idea that is not (or cannot be) stated in a mathematical model is invalid.
As to the track record of the mainstream economists who use the standard mathematical modeling tools to forecast recessions…
‘Recessions are signal events in any modern economy. And yet remarkably, the profession of economics is quite bad at predicting them. A recent study looked at “consensus forecasts” (the predictions of large groups of economists) that were made in advance of 60 different national recessions that hit around the world in the ’90s: in 97 percent of the cases, the study found, the economists failed to predict the coming contraction a year in advance. On those rare occasions when economists did successfully predict recessions, they significantly underestimated the severity of the downturns. Worse, many of the economists failed to anticipate recessions that occurred as soon as two months later.’
“He sounded like a madman in 2006,” recalls the I.M.F. economist Prakash Loungani, who invited Roubini on both occasions. “He was a prophet when he returned in 2007.”
Faster Pussycat, there is your cue for a hearty blog guffaw…
Sure, here we go.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
“..Also, while very pessimistic about the U.S. and global financial outlook in the short run, I expect that the global economy can grow at a sustained rate in the medium term and that the integration of China, India and other emerging market economies in the global economy is a very important and positive trend over time. So, yes there is doom and gloom over the short term; but the medium term horizon will be brighter for the global economy if and when the mess of the current financial and economic crisis is fixed. Still, as i have recently argued - and as reported at the end of the New York Times article - this U.S. crisis may be the sign of the beginning of the long run decline of the American Empire….”
Mr. Nouriel Roubini on the Times Mag article
I’m somewhat surprised the powers that be haven’t come up with a double-speak word for “Inflation”?
Please help them out by making one up…
whadyagot?
I prefer the term ’stagpression’ for what is going on now; stagnant wages and rising costs.
The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the second is war. Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists. -Ernest Hemingway
Nice quote. Is it from one of his novels or short stories?
ERNEST HEMINGWAY, “Notes on the Next War,” Esquire, Sep. 1935
hedonic adjustment
home equity gain
wealth effect
(How am I doing so far?)
“Outincome”
“I’m somewhat surprised the powers that be haven’t come up with a double-speak word for “Inflation”?”
I’d like to suggest: “Mo’ Money!!”
also, that’s a gorgeous quote, watcher.
Agreed, terrific quote, watcher.
Didn’t know Papa was such a close observer of economic reality.
I’m still realing from watching Mike Judges movie “Idiocracy” on satellite this month.
Thoroughly unpleasant concept exploring what happens if the intelligence level of the human race drops precipitously over the next 500 years. (The %50.00000-tile soldier chosen for freezing experiments wakes up 499 years late and finds himself the smartest mind on the planet.)
The whole idea is scary. Kind of the horror sequel to Office Space.
less is more, more or less.
An article about how difficult it is to be an appraiser in the Bay Area these days –
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/17/RELP12AF53.DTL
“The Appraisal Institute, a trade group with 32,000 members, has even begun offering a series of daylong seminars in cities across the country to retrain its members. The lectures are designed to help the group’s appraisers adapt to the current market and learn how to better evaluate data.”
I found this quote amusing; it seems to say that these people actually have to do their jobs now.
Inflation =Plan A
From John Maudlin
When I wrote an article for Financial Times in May discussing risks in stuff stocks (commodities, energy and industrials) I called today’s environment “a global commodity bubble”. I was imprecise, after a conversation with the brilliant Ed Easterling of Crestmont Research (by the way, Ed wrote “Unexpected Returns” - a must read) and reading a wonderful interview with James Montier by Kate Welling, I’d like use James’ more precise definition of today’s environment: a “global growth expectations” bubble. After all, it is the supply demand (to a large degree) that was responsible for this unprecedented growth in “stuff”, shifting the mentality of the market into “this time is different” gear. It is not.
Economic Decoupling Fails as World Follows US into Recession
Economics / Global Economy Aug 16, 2008 - 09:11 AM
By: John_Mauldin
Economics
The old mantra was that if the United States sneezed, the rest of the world would catch a cold, as the US was seen as the main driver of world growth. That was then. Economists and analysts began to argue that China and the developing markets were starting to provide a consumer base for the world. And Europe’s new and growing markets would be able to stave off problems from abroad and stay on their own growth path. The world, we were assured last year, would not suffer from problems in the US economy.
Today, we look at evidence that this might not quite be the case. And if it is not, those who look for diversification in global markets may be disappointed. Also, I quickly look back at my January forecasts and feel it may be time for a mid-course correction. It seems I may have been a little too optimistic. It should make for an interesting letter.
Sounds like there has never been a worse time to buy stocks. So how come the stock market keeps going up? From Mauldin’s non-decoupling piece dated August 16:
‘”A Recession probably started in January. When I take a look at these four key indicators that define the broad contours of the business cycle, they all peaked and began to roll over sometime between October of last year and February of this year. I am convinced that when the NBER does make the final proclamation, it will tell us that a recession officially began in January. Of course, to any market person, this would make perfect sense, because of when the S&P 500 peaked. It did a double top into October, right when it usually does, before a recession begins.
“This recession won’t end before mid-2009, in our view. Now I’m just giving you the rearview mirror. What’s most important to you folks is let’s look through the front window and see when this recession is going to end. The tea leaves that I’m reading at this point in time show that this recession is not ending any time before the mid part of 2009, which would mean that, if you’re looking for, not the Mary Ann Bartels intermediate bottoms, but the fundamental bottom, I don’t think you can expect to see it before February or March of next year, if I’m correct on when this recession ends. Historically the S&P 500 troughs four months before the economy actually hits its bottom point.”
I agree with Rosenberg. And if we see a recession lasting into 2009, then earnings are going to be under a lot of pressure. Buying index funds today could be very risky to your portfolio.’
more good news:
“Employers are talking about ending contributions to workers’ retirement savings. If the talk becomes reality, don’t panic. You can still grow a nice nest egg on your own.”
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/RetirementandWills/InvestForRetirement/No401KMatchNoProblem.aspx
That’s right, don’t panic, you can do it all by yourself! Personal responsibility! Just don’t expect your employer to match your personal responsibility. Before anyone jumps on me about this, I just want to say that it would be a nice gesture to see some CEO remuneration decreases. It would be nice to see large companies and governments facing the music when they mess up. It’s not the cutting back, but the increasing divide which concerns me.
I work for myself, so doesn’t affect me (I am literally a CEO and CFO myself, and believe me, my remuneration decreases when my worker’s salary gets cut, since I am my main employee - ha!), but I thought the match system was to save companies money, when they switched from the old plan, the one which didn’t involve everyone becoming an investing expert? Then there was the wave of restructured bankruptcies to allow larger companies to get out of their existing pension obligations (like American Airlines, when they borrowed against their pension fund instead of setting aside) and now dropping matching, too? Yikes.
I doubt my house could physically contain single share certificates of the defunct employer-company stock I “own”. Whether they match me in a 401k with this stuff or not means nearly nothing to me. Unless: does it have enough ink to be hazardous if you try and use it for extra insulation? How much can you safely stuff in the attic? Is it a fire hazard?
Matt - yeah, that’s a good point. I think paying people in stocks is bad. If you’re a regular emloyee, then you are betting on the same place you earn your money (bad diversification) and if you’re high up in the company you have incentive to manipulate stock prices (a bit extreme, but like Enron). I have a friend whose employer matches her *savings* contributions for cash, and she can invest or CD or whatever. I’m jealous of that one.
Poll: Most say economy in recession
August 17, 2008
HARTFORD, Conn. - The slow economy has touched prosperous Connecticut, where residents of all wealth levels say they’re reducing expenses, according to a new statewide poll released Sunday.
Three-fourths of state residents said they believe the economy is in recession. And a majority don’t believe it will improve with Republican John McCain or Democrat Barack Obama as president.
“Despite the widespread enthusiasm about the 2008 presidential elections, Connecticut residents are not optimistic about what it portends for an economic recovery,” Samuel Best, director of the University of Connecticut Center for Survey and Research and Analysis, told the Hartford Courant.
Gloom to increase fears of global recession
By Chris Flood
Published: August 17 2008 15:47 | Last updated: August 17 2008 15:47
Mounting fears about the likelihood of a global recession will be fuelled by this week’s data, which promise further bad news from the US housing market, disappointing inflation data and more evidence that industrial activity is weakening.
The US housing market remains moribund with the National Association of Home Builders index, due today, expected to remain at a record low of 16 in August. Housing starts for July, due out tomorrow, are expected to weaken from 1.07m in June to 960,000.
However, activity in the west of the US has started to revive with housing starts rising for the past three months.
Given the foreclosure glut, tightening of lending standards and overhang of unsold new home inventory, I am wondering to whom the builders in the west of the US are planning to sell, and at what price?
Associated Press
Ahead of the Bell: FBR analyst predicts recession
Associated Press 08.15.08, 9:10 AM ET
BOSTON -
If the U.S. economy isn’t already in a recession, it likely will be soon, according to a Friedman Billings Ramsey analyst.
FBR analyst Steve East issued a research note Friday predicting that the standard definition of a recession - two consecutive quarters of decline in gross domestic product - will be met in this year’s fourth quarter or next year’s first quarter.
East said he was more worried about the economy’s growth prospects over the next 12 months than he was last September, when he suggested better than 50-50 odds that a recession would begin sometime in the next 12 months.
“If the U.S. economy has not already entered into recession, we think it soon will,” East said.
Is Goldilocks cheering up again after her nasty bout with PMS?
All quiet as focus switches from inflation to recession
Published: August 17 2008 16:56 | Last updated: August 17 2008 16:56
Among the blizzard of economic data last week, most striking was the jump in US inflation to a 17-year high. What made it remarkable was the market’s reaction. There was none.
This insouciance calls for some explanation. It is not as if inflation is fading elsewhere in the world. The eurozone rate is at a record high while that of the UK is twice the official target and rising.
The market’s mood partly reflects the drop in the oil price, of which more later. More important, attention has switched from the inflation story to the recession one.
Last week brought news of quarterly contractions in both the eurozone and Japan, the former being the first since 1993. That was not supposed to happen. Until lately, economists spoke confidently of an Anglo-Saxon recession, with US and UK consumers suffering and the rest of the world unscathed.
Predictably, investors have over-reacted. In the latest Merrill Lynch fund manager survey, the proportion agreeing that the global economy will suffer a technical recession in the next 12 months is now almost half, against a third two months ago.
This is surely more an emotional response than hard expectation. Official forecasts of global growth at about 4 per cent are doubtless too high. But if the world including China and India is tipping into recession, then we really are in trouble.
From all this, though, a bullish story emerges. This kind of contraction knocks inflation on the head so rate cuts are in order. Then we are off to the races again on a tide of cheap money.
Many factors go into recession declaration
By Erin DeMuth Judd
ejudd@poststar.com
Published: Sunday, August 17, 2008
When analysts and experts discuss New York’s current recession on the news, it can be difficult to determine exactly how they know the state’s in a recession.
New York Gov. Paterson: Recession is Here, Prepare to Tighten Belt
“The Time to Act is Now”
By Shawn Strack, published Aug 13, 2008
“The time to act is now.”
Powerful words erupt from the mouth of one of the most powerful men in New York State.
Governor David Paterson is addressing the people of New York in a live televised speech. He says New York will be $26 million in debt within three years if things don’t change. He says New York State must tighten its belt as its residents have, in order to recover from a recession.
He calls it a recession.
I don’t blame companies one bit for hacking away at company matches in retirement plans. It’s voluntary, not mandatory.
Perhaps I’ll feel different if tort reform succeeds one day. Companies can’t afford to cover much of health care costs for employees, defend themselves from getting sued by ambulance chasing lawyers AND add to the retirement kitty of employees.
Companies aren’t beholden to employees. Employees aren’t beholden to employers either.
Employees offer time and service to employers for which they get paid an agreed-to amount before the employee ever does any work.
Cut the boilerplate slaveholding clauses out of my employment-at-will contract and I’ll agree with you.
Fair enough - point well taken.
Care to illuminate re: what the slaveholding clauses are? Not that I doubt you….I’m just genuinely curious. if the clauses are that punitive, why did you take the job?