August 18, 2008

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Comment by bizarroworld
2008-08-18 04:31:00

Stucco on the Rebound

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/realestate/17post.html?_r=1&ref=realestate&oref=slogin

In New York City these days, however, stucco is edging back, according to developers, manufacturers and architects. Apparently there have been improvements in the synthetic formula, which consists of foam, adhesive and paint. But a bigger factor in the change has been the financial climate: stucco’s inexpensiveness makes a big difference to contracting budgets.

Comment by Brian in Chicago
2008-08-18 05:07:39

I wonder what the energy consumption of a stucco home in New York is in the winter.

 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-08-18 06:07:50

Why are the roofs always stucco? Seems almost universal in new construction.

Comment by InMontana
2008-08-18 08:41:16

Stucco ROOFS? what? How do they do that?

I’ve been gone from SoCal too long.

Comment by In Colorado
2008-08-18 08:55:53

You mean thay aren’t using the faux roofing tiles anymore?

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Comment by In Colorado
2008-08-18 08:50:46

Not out here. Here you mostly see good old fashioned tar paper and asphalt shingles.

 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-08-18 12:30:01

sorry, geez…I meant ceilings

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-08-18 06:50:08

Sounds like there has never been a better time to get stucco.

Comment by bizarroworld
2008-08-18 07:33:38

I was wondering how long it would take before I saw a get stucco statement and it came from the original hbb stucco rep :)

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-08-18 13:00:55

I recognize a cue when I see one.

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Comment by hoz
2008-08-18 07:06:21

Read the headlines and thought Prof Bear was dumped by his wife! lol
Sorry PB aka Get Stucco.

 
Comment by Skip
2008-08-18 09:36:40

Foam???? Are they joking?

How can you build a house with foam?

Won’t it just blow away in a stiff breeze?

I thought stucco was concrete applied over wood siding?

Comment by packman
2008-08-18 10:36:09

Real stucco houses (good ones) are concrete with wire mesh, applied over cinder block. Applying it over wood isn’t good as the wood tends to rot out from underneath. You might could get away with it, but I’m not sure I’d buy a house made that way.

However cinder block is generally not good for northern climates, since cinder block isn’t a good insulator for holding in heat.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2008-08-18 11:54:13

‘Cause I know that if I was moving into NYC, I’d want a wall crackhounds could easily kick a practicable breach through.

 
Comment by Sleeper
2008-08-18 13:13:09

‘Modern’ stucco is typically a latex or epoxy modified cement applied over metal lath and rigid foam insulation. If it’s done correctly it’s pretty durrable but it’s main drawback is that it can crack from a heavy blow. The early versions of this finishing system suffered from waterproofing and moisture condensation issues that would cause the underlying foam / strucutre to rot. This led to some hefty class action judgements and the bad rep that stucco now gets but it doen properly using up to date details it’s fine. I would take stucco over vinyl siding any day.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2008-08-18 04:31:43

Good for a chuckle, the word credibility and FED in the same paragraph.

Bernanke Tries to Define What Institutions Fed Could Let Fail…
The lack of clearly defined limits may put the Fed’s independence at risk as Congress discovers that its $900 billion portfolio can be used for emergency bailouts that might otherwise require politically sensitive appropriations and taxes.

“There is some hard thinking that needs to be done,” Philadelphia Federal Reserve Bank President Charles Plosser said in an interview last week. “The Fed has a terrific reputation as a credible institution. We have to be cautious not to undertake things that put that credibility at risk.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a0v71H6gketc&refer=us

Comment by SDGreg
2008-08-18 04:53:37

“The 2002 study said such pressures “could pull the Fed into fiscal debates” and “compromise its objectives” for monetary policy: keeping employment high and inflation low.”

It’s failed on both counts. Inflation is high and unemployment is rising.

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2008-08-18 09:44:28

Before deciding on which institutions can fail, Bubbles Ben needs to check with his masters (Hanky-Panky Paulson, etc.) to make sure that their portfolios won’t be negatively impacted by those failures.

Comment by BanteringBear
2008-08-18 11:36:19

The masses must resort to praying that their 401k portfolios reflect the very institutions the PTB are gambling on.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-18 12:03:11

I’m afraid to inform you that preying has already been performed on those absorbed in prayer…

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Comment by Matt_in_TX
2008-08-18 15:39:14

This particular topic is pretty funny. Independent and wide ranging suddenly becomes a potentially disastrous liability when coupled with the natural inclinations of law makers.

 
 
Comment by qaxbami
2008-08-18 04:34:17

Dr. Doom

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/magazine/17pessimist-t.html

Roubini believes that future bailouts should focus on mortgage owners, not investors. Accordingly, he sees the choice facing the United States as stark but simple: either the government backs up a trillion-plus dollars’ worth of high-risk mortgages (in exchange for the lenders’ agreement to reduce monthly mortgage payments), or the banks and other institutions holding those mortgages — or the complex securities derived from them — go under. “You either nationalize the banks or you nationalize the mortgages,” he said. “Otherwise, they’re all toast.”

For months Roubini has been arguing that the true cost of the housing crisis will not be a mere $300 billion — the amount allowed for by the housing legislation sponsored by Representative Barney Frank and Senator Christopher Dodd — but something between a trillion and a trillion and a half dollars. But most important, in Roubini’s opinion, is to realize that the problem is deeper than the housing crisis. “Reckless people have deluded themselves that this was a subprime crisis,” he told me. “But we have problems with credit-card debt, student-loan debt, auto loans, commercial real estate loans, home-equity loans, corporate debt and loans that financed leveraged buyouts.” All of these forms of debt, he argues, suffer from some or all of the same traits that first surfaced in the housing market: shoddy underwriting, securitization, negligence on the part of the credit-rating agencies and lax government oversight. “We have a subprime financial system,” he said, “not a subprime mortgage market.”

Roubini argues that most of the losses from this bad debt have yet to be written off, and the toll from bad commercial real estate loans alone may help send hundreds of local banks into the arms of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. “A good third of the regional banks won’t make it,” he predicted. In turn, these bailouts will add hundreds of billions of dollars to an already gargantuan federal debt, and someone, somewhere, is going to have to finance that debt, along with all the other debt accumulated by consumers and corporations. “Our biggest financiers are China, Russia and the gulf states,” Roubini noted. “These are rivals, not allies.”

The United States, Roubini went on, will likely muddle through the crisis but will emerge from it a different nation, with a different place in the world. “Once you run current-account deficits, you depend on the kindness of strangers,” he said, pausing to let out a resigned sigh. “This might be the beginning of the end of the American empire.”

Comment by Capitalissimo
2008-08-18 05:17:55

Roubini was right on in his predictions, but what proof does he have that the total losses in the long run will be less by bailing out said institutions?

And why doesn’t he see the possibility of the dollar being destroyed by such actions, unlike, say, Peter Schiff or Ron Paul?

And what about the morality of the whole thing? Making your dollars worth less to save the system, ie stealing some of your wealth to save the system.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-18 06:42:39

Germany was staring in the face of an awfully big war reparations bill for about 5 years after the Great War, when they decided that their debts in terms of Marks were so very high, that they willingly debauched their own currency to keep the creditors away…

Our reparations bill (debt) seems at a similar level to the dilemma faced by the Weimar Republic way back when.

By debauching our currency, we can make our debt in Dollars, simply vanish…

Poof!

Comment by nhz
2008-08-18 07:53:54

there are parallels, but the Weimar debt was almost entirely owed to some foreign states, while for the US foreign states are just one group among many creditors. I guess most of the debt is owed to national entities - ultimately the taxpayer - plus loads of (often unidentified) foreign entities. So in the case of the US is it more difficult to get rid of the debt by simply inflating away.

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Comment by VirginiaTechDan
2008-08-18 08:34:39

The problem is worse than that. We do not “print’ money into existence, the Federal Reserve lends money into existence at interest. In other words our debt will grow forever until:

A) our government defaults
B) our government decides to print its money instead of borrow its money (the obvious beginning of hyperinflation)

If our government defaults on its debt then the “demand destruction” on the dollar could rival the “supply supplementation” of hyperinflation. Remember the dollar is backed by the “full faith and credit of the US government” and bankruptcy doesn’t do much for “faith and credit”.

Ultimately a debtor ends up a slave to the creditor, so we will not be able to default on our debts and remain free without winning a war against our creditors.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-08-18 08:58:31

The problem is worse than that. We do not “print’ money into existence, the Federal Reserve lends money into existence at interest.

That is the part that really scares me. Every dollar out there, whether paper or electronic, is owed to the Fed.

Didn’t JFK once propose that the Treasury start printing money again, shortly before he was killed?

 
Comment by nhz
2008-08-18 10:26:21

yes, and that’s why you can be sure that Bernanke & friends will keep inflating away, whatever happens. More dollars in existence is more interest owed to the FED, and more financial slavery for the masses - as simple as that.

 
Comment by packman
2008-08-18 10:48:00

“Didn’t JFK once propose that the Treasury start printing money again, shortly before he was killed?”

Pretty much. Google “Executive Order 11110″ - there are all kinds of good writeups.

Good chance that William McChesney Martin Jr. was the man on the grassy knoll.

:)

 
Comment by llcarlos
2008-08-18 14:58:53

The USA should declare bk and sell Alaska back to Russia and Hawaii to Japan. Then the govt should end the Fed and print a new currency.

 
 
Comment by SF Mechanist
2008-08-18 08:16:21

To the degree that U.S. creditors– of some $9 trillion in debt– hold sway over politicians, inflating the dollar isn’t going to happen. That kind of money buys a lot of lobbying efforts. The Fed has no interest in rescuing debtors either since they represent the banking industry, or the creditor side of the equation. Granted, they don’t want to see our economy tank such that people can keep paying of their debt, but that is the limits to a public rescue that would be in their personal interest. Hence taxpayer bailouts, rather than increasing money supply.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2008-08-18 05:23:59

Exactly! Time for China and Abu Dhabi to buy GM Ford and all the broke companies and put Americans back to work without the UAW wages. Just provide something livable and heath care for the worker, and you can buy any company you want.

So what happens when they want to buy Microsoft, GE, IBM, and $hitibank?

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This might be the beginning of the end of the American empire.”

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-08-18 06:00:02

We were too focused on terrorism as the biggest threat to our national security, when the real threat to our sovereignty is the national debt and failing infrastructure. We’ve placed corporate earnings and “preventative warfare” over fiscal responsibility and honesty.

The oath for US Citizenship states: “do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. This is the first time that I think our domestic enemies have hurt us more than the foreign ones.

Comment by ET-Chicago
2008-08-18 06:51:10

This is the first time that I think our domestic enemies have hurt us more than the foreign ones.

This is the first time we gave our “domestic enemies” some of the most powerful positions in the world, without adequate oversight. It stands to reason that as they spread their virulent mixture of greed and incompetence from the top down, many foundational aspects of our society would teeter and rot.

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-18 06:56:23

As we have elevated the Presidency to almost more of a role of Royalty, we’ve been more hesitant to question any questionable moves King George makes, a great silence.

 
 
Comment by Xenos
2008-08-18 07:02:04

We were doing a perfectly good job of ignoring our domestic enemies (a/k/a “criminals”) long before terrorism became an issue. The Great War on Terror was just a way to distract and double down on the criminality.

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Comment by David Cee
2008-08-18 10:22:06

“We were too focused on terrorism ”

Hey, I didn’t vote for this $1 Trillion Dollar war, Let the countdown begin for the end of this political nighmare.
Sept…Oct….Nov…Dec…Jan 20, 2009.

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Comment by Sleeper
2008-08-18 13:42:14

1-20-2009, The end of an Error!

 
Comment by WhatOnceWas
2008-08-18 15:50:16

Haha..Doesn’t China already own IBM,and Prince of Saud own Citibank?

 
Comment by neuromance
2008-08-18 18:35:07

Heh. The Democrats were swept into power on an anti-Iraq platform in 2006. They promptly defunded the war and pulled out the troops, leaving the Iraqis to their own devices.

Oh wait, that didn’t happen, the Democrats have been funding the war with even more abandon than the Republicans.

Keep dreaming about January 20, 2009.

Reminds me of a joke: “When I was a young man, they told me if I voted for Goldwater, I’d get sent to Vietnam. I voted for Goldwater anyway and sure enough, I got sent to Vietnam!”

What’s the answer? I don’t know. But you can be pretty sure that Obama is very open to “refining” his position on Iraq, as the hundreds of Democrats in the Senate and House of Representatives have already done.

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-08-18 08:54:48

Just provide something livable and heath care for the worker

LOL! What a kneeslapper!

Oh wait, you’re serious.

 
 
Comment by mgnyc99
2008-08-18 05:43:13

re: Roubini

“he was a madman in 2006, when he returned in 2007 he was a prophet”

i read that yesterday

what does that make the long time posters on the hbb?

vindication is sweet

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-08-18 06:03:22

How is there vindication when the top economic advisers are the bubble deniers and their cronies? Roubini is a Cassandra who continues to be marginalized by the people who can actually do something about the economy.

 
Comment by combotechie
2008-08-18 06:08:45

“vindication is sweet”

And profitable.

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-08-18 06:11:44

“You either nationalize the banks or you nationalize the mortgages,”

Am I missing something, or hasn’t such an approach already been discredited/precluded by the sheer magnitude of this problem?

Comment by mina
2008-08-18 07:15:12

I have a secret: I think Roubini is really hot.

I love watching his YouTube video interviews.

wowsa. I am sick. too much HBB has done this to me.

 
Comment by VirginiaTechDan
2008-08-18 09:14:37

“You either nationalize the banks or you nationalize the mortgages”

This statement is another false dichotomy… and is just another means by which the establishment takes “choice” away from the american public.

Would you like to be punched on your left or right cheek?

 
 
Comment by hoz
2008-08-18 06:30:06

“…On those rare occasions when economists did successfully predict recessions, they significantly underestimated the severity of the downturns. Worse, many of the economists failed to anticipate recessions that occurred as soon as two months later….”

That is a huge statement without any source as proof. I question this.

Comment by watcher
2008-08-18 06:47:38

Robert Prechter predicted five of the last zero recessions.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-18 06:50:11

The NYT tries to paint Roubini as hitting a 100 to 1 shot @ the horse races, as if he just picked a horse numbering from 1 to 12 in a race @ random, and got lucky.

Any serious student of the study of money could have seen what’s coming from a mile away…

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-18 07:49:47

Agreed.

But the clincher was that nobody believed him because he couldn’t encapsulate it in a mathematical model.

WTF?!? This is as obvious as it gets in the financial world.

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Comment by nhz
2008-08-18 08:04:09

and on the other side: people believed all the highly estimated economists with their clever mathematical models, even though everone with some common sense could see that their theories where crap (like that famous model that had as basic assumption that homeprices rise at least 1% every year, forever …).

 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-08-18 08:24:33

‘Any serious student of the study of money could have seen what’s coming from a mile away…’

Not even a ’serious student’ was required. Just someone who likes their money and prefers to keep as much of it as possible, in order to buy shoes and necessities like that, could and should have seen all this coming from a mile away. And did.
That reminds me, yesterday I started polishing and cleaning my winter shoes and boots, getting ready for the rain and all. I stopped at the 9th pair when my fingers got tired. Probably only about 30 pairs to go. When I get home I’m going to count them all up, if I can count that high. Then I’m going to prance around in them like a girl. Because I am a girl.
Quick, some of you misogynistic posters, complain about my girly frivolity! Taxmeupthebootaay, surely you’ve got some incoherent and uncapitalized complaint about this? Anyone? Anyone?

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-18 08:28:08

She got legs up to her waist, I hear.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-08-18 08:29:40

Oh, look at me. I’ve been deprived of trolls for so long that I’ve resorted to baiting fellow HBBers. Shameful, just shameful.
I’m sorry. Sort of sorry, anyway. Look, I’ll just go shoot someone, get it out of my system, and then come back in a better temper, okay? Okay.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-18 08:31:41

Agreed on this one too.

 
Comment by hoz
2008-08-18 08:35:55

“You know, I can’t think of nothin’ finer
than a fine naked woman holdin’ a gun.”
Franklin Figueroa aka ‘Frankie Figs’

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-08-18 08:45:51

Skank!

There, I took care of it. You’re welcome.

 
Comment by WAman
2008-08-18 08:50:13

You can only do that if you teach in Texas.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-08-18 08:55:15

“Look, I’ll just go shoot someone, get it out of my system, and then come back in a better temper, okay?”

How about putting on your heaviest pair of boots, and going on a bigfoot hunt? Surely you can bag that elusive beast, as he seems to frequent your neck of the woods. What fools those recent posers in Georgia would look like, using opossum guts and unknown fur as a ruse, while the excitable Oly brings home the real deal. With all your newfound fame and fortune, you’ll be able to buy as many shoes as you want.

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2008-08-18 09:54:14

If you have enough Bigfoots in the area, maybe they’ll be the ones buying up all the houses… That’s what we need - loan programs for Bigfoot and his kind so they can get in on th American Dream of home-debtorship!

 
Comment by friar john
2008-08-18 10:19:34

It was great news when they found my Uncle in northern georgia. I hear he is undergoing some medical tests at Stanford, but he should be able to come home real soon.

Olygal, you saintly sinner, your sin is the hoarding of shoes and your saintliness is the taking care of said shoes. Who says we can’t have our cake and eat it too?

 
Comment by dude
2008-08-18 13:42:22

Oly dear,

I learned many years past that one should never come between a woman and her love of footwear.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-08-18 18:00:54

Guess what? That’s right! I’m home again and sitting here and wearing silver 4 inch high-heels with rows of precious little rhinestones across the toes. Those are my snow boots.
Actually they aren’t. I just was looking forward to getting home to my dear shoes and these are some of my favorites, and they go with beer good also.

Okay, here we go:
–Hoz, what KIND of gun? Be more specific.
–Thanks, NYCity, you’re a true pal.
–Bear, you’re a genious. Besides, Bigfoot’s a assh*le, and deserves to be shot. For did he not trample my dahlias just the other day? He sure did. What a assh*le!
–Pondering, Bigfoot doesn’t want to live in a house. They make him itch. He just wants to lurk in my tool shed
and eat the tinsel out of the Christmas ornaments box. Like I said, he’s a freak, and deserves to be shot.
–What?! Friar John, are you suggesting I should eat my shoes?! You freakish person!
That’ll cost you extra.
–Dude; oh, look! Yet another genious!

hahahahahahahahaha– Hiccup.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2008-08-18 08:29:43

I remember even Greenspan warning about this saying somthing like ” periods of no difference between yeilds on government debt and junk debt end badly” 2006 summer. Of course he worded it very obtusly.

Roubini and others were not afraid to tell their opinion in plain english.

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Comment by hd74man
2008-08-18 10:40:03

RE: This might be the beginning of the end of the American empire.”

We’re already there…

August 18th from Jim Knustler

The feeble American response to Russia’s assertion of power in the Caucasus of Central Asia was appropriate, since our claims of influence in that part of the world are laughable. The US had taken advantage of temporary confusion in Russia, during the ten-year-long post-Soviet-collapse interval, and set up a client government in Georgia, complete with military advisors, sales of weapons, and even the promise of club membership in the western alliance known as NATO. These blandishments were all in the service of the Baku-to-Ceyhan oil pipeline, which was designed specifically to drain the oil region around the Caspian Basin with an outlet on the Mediterranean, avoiding unfriendly nations all along the way.
At the time this gambit was first set up, in the early 1990s, there was some notion (or wish, really) among the so-called western powers that the Caspian would provide an end-run around OPEC and the Arabs, as well as the Persians, and deliver all the oil that the US and Europe would ever need — a foolish wish and a dumb gambit, as things have turned out.
For one thing, the latterly explorations of this very old oil region — first opened to drilling in the 19th century — proved somewhat disappointing. US officials had been touting it as like unto “another Saudi Arabia” but the oil actually produced from the new drilling areas of Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and the other Stans turned out to be preponderantly heavy-and-sour crudes, in smaller quantities than previously dreamed-of, and harder to transport across the extremely challenging terrain to even get to the pipeline head in Baku.
Meanwhile, Russia got its house in order under the non-senile, non-alcoholic Vladimir Putin, and woke up along about 2007 to find itself the leading oil and natural gas producer in the world. Among the various consequences of this was Russia’s reemergence as a new kind of world power — an energy resource power, with the energy destiny of Europe pretty much in its hands. Also, meanwhile, the USA had set up other client states in the ring of former Soviet republics along Russia’s southern underbelly, complete with US military bases, while fighting active engagements in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, if this wasn’t the dumbest, vainest move in modern geopolitical history!
It’s one thing that US foreign policy wonks imagined that Russia would remain in a coma forever, but the idea that we could encircle Russia strategically with defensible bases in landlocked mountainous countries halfway around the world…? You have to ask what were they smoking over at the Pentagon and the CIA and the NSC?
So, this asinine policy has now come to grief. Not only does Russia stand to gain control over the Baku-to-Ceyhan pipeline, but we now have every indication that they will bring the states on its southern flank back into an active sphere of influence, and there is really not a damn thing that the US can pretend to do about it.
We could have spent the past ten years getting our own house in order — waking up to the obsolescence of our suburban life-style, scaling back on the Happy Motoring, reconnecting our cities with world-class passenger rail, creating wealth by producing things of value (instead of resorting to financial racketeering), protecting our borders, and taking the necessary measures to defend and update our own industries. Instead, we pissed our time and resources away. Nations do make tragic errors of the collective will. The cluelessness of George Bush is nothing less than a perfect metaphor for the failure of a whole generation. The Boomers will be identified as the generation that wrecked America.
So, as the vacation season winds down, this country greets a new reality. We miscalculated in Western and Central Asia. Russia still “owns” that part of the world. Are we going to extend our current land wars there into the even more distant and landlocked Stan-nations? At some point, as we face financial and military exhaustion, we have to ask ourselves if we can even successfully evacuate our personnel from the far-flung bases in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan.
This must be an equally sobering moment for Europe, and an additional reason for the recent plunge in the relative value of the Euro, for Europe is now at the mercy of Russia in terms of staying warm in the winter, running their kitchen stoves, and keeping the lights on. Russia also exerts substantial financial leverage over the US in all the dollars and securitized US debt paper it holds. In effect, Russia can shake the US banking system at will now by threatening to dump its dollar holdings.
The American banking system may not need a shove from Russia to fall on its face. It’s effectively dead now, just lurching around zombie-like from one loan “window” to the next pretending to “borrow” capital — while handing over shreds of its moldy clothing as “collateral” to the Federal Reserve. The entire US, beyond the banks, is becoming a land of the walking dead. Business is dying, home-ownership has become a death dance, whole regions are turning into wastelands of “for sale” signs, empty parking lots, vacant buildings, and dashed hopes. And all this beats a path directly to a failure of collective national imagination. We really don’t know what’s going on.
The fantasy that we can sustain our influence nine thousand miles away, when we can’t even get our act together in Ohio is just a dark joke. One might state categorically that it would be a salubrious thing for America to knock off all its vaunted “dreaming” and just wake the fuck up.

 
 
Comment by bizarroworld
2008-08-18 04:45:11

HOUSE OF CARDS
When Joe LaCoste’s real estate empire collapsed, a lot of people went down with it

http://www.registerguard.com/rg/Home/story.csp?cid=127244&sid=1&fid=1

Albany real estate mogul Joe LaCoste was a natural-born salesman, business associates say. That’s why he could command deals worth upward of $15 million. It’s also why so many people are hurt now that it has all come tumbling down, leaving behind partially built housing projects and investors who lost their life savings.

Comment by hd74man
2008-08-18 06:26:33

RE: When Joe LaCoste’s real estate empire collapsed, a lot of people went down with it

Saw the same thing happen to a lot of who I considered very smart men in the ‘89/’90 bust.

In observational hindsight, the greed mentality overcame the ability to step off the train.

There was a prevalent arrogence with the attitude-this is all going to last forever.

Comment by Wizard of Oz
2008-08-18 14:26:12

I have little sympathy for the investors.
When all they see is greed, caution goes out the window.
“When it seems too good to be true…”
13% plus early return of investment capitol..REALLY.

 
 
 
Comment by cynicalgirl
2008-08-18 04:51:52

Oops. Ralph Cioffi was sending emails..

http://www.northjersey.com/business/news/Cioffis_e-mail_trail_leads_to_new_charges.html

“I’m fearful of these markets,” Cioffi, of Tenafly, told a company economist in an e-mail. “It may not be a meltdown for the general economy but in our world it will be.”

Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-18 05:04:30

It’s been said that somebody wearing a pair of cement overshoes sinks to the bottom at about the same speed as the Titanic did…

Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-18 05:18:13

“upbeat in public and fearing the worst in private”

Wouldn’t you just love to be a fly on the Wall Street, @ the highest levels of corporate chicanery?

Comment by Leighsong
2008-08-18 06:04:45

Walls of maggots ;)

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Comment by hoz
2008-08-18 05:59:09

Lehman Said to be Shopping $40B Real Estate Portfolio

“NEW YORK CITY-Wall Street investment bank Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. is reportedly in talks to sell its entire $40-billion real estate portfolio. Lehman is believed to have begun negotiations with firms such as BlackRock and Blackstone, according to reports, although Lehman’s New York City office was unable to be reached by press time to confirm reports.

Reports say that the firm will sell all of its assets as a whole or broken up to the highest bidder. Only two months ago, the firm revealed a net loss of $2.8 billion for the second quarter, compared to net income of $489 million for the first quarter of 2008 and $1.3 billion for the second quarter of 2007. …”
Globe Street

A little bit of bank nervousness as others see the prices Lehman’s receives or fails to receive.

Comment by WT Economist
2008-08-18 06:25:15

“BlackRock and Blackstone”

I sense a cultural trend here. Will other growing financial organizations be called BlackFlag, BlackSwan, BlackHeart, BlackOut, BlackFuture, etc?

Comment by cactus
2008-08-18 08:45:38

Its thoses Skull and Crossbones friends of Bush who come up with these nice names, Blackrock, Blackstone, etc. Like they are some kind of dark knights of the 21 century

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2008-08-18 12:45:23

I believe the story is that one of the higher ups at Blackstone left and formed Blackrock–a not so friendly departure and formation if I understand correctly.

Comment by ozajh
2008-08-18 20:02:17

Maybe they’ll draw the line at BlackAdder, though.

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-08-18 06:37:51

Calling a bottom, hoz? I’m guessing about 15 cents on the dollar.

Comment by hoz
2008-08-18 07:09:58

nope, Lehman cannot sell its assets without raising a large amount of moneys ~$8B (back of envelope calc).

I don’t pick bottoms.

Comment by nhz
2008-08-18 08:22:36

I wonder how much assets Lehman has left when all the damage claims from foreign municipalities, pension funds etc. are processed in court. Is this RE sale just another trick for splitting up assets and debts/liabilities (we have seen that before with US banks)?

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Comment by auger-inn
2008-08-18 06:01:44

OT but here is some interesting “tin foil” for those so inclined. It starts initially with 9/11 but quickly moves into some very interesting topics with attendant theories and names involved. (PDF!)

http://www.rense.com/general83/Collateral_Damage_28062008.pdf

 
Comment by hoz
2008-08-18 06:02:58

A Darwinian Tale in California: Strong Prey on Faltering

“Downey Financial Corp.’s report Friday that depositors pulled funds from its branches this summer amplified an industry shift: Customers are fleeing weakened banks in favor of those viewed as safe havens, particularly in California.

Downey was quick to note that this month it wooed back 45% of the funds it lost in July. However, analysts say that customer perception of weakness in a particular institution — punctuated last month by the IndyMac Bancorp Inc. collapse and the failure of the $250 million-asset First Heritage Bank in Newport Beach, Calif. — will help a handful of stronger companies build share in the nation’s most populous state even before the credit cycle improves.

Of course, no banking company is immune to the credit crunch, and analysts have routinely cautioned that small holes in the balance sheets of relatively healthy firms could break open and cause big problems if the economic slowdown devolves into a prolonged recession….”

American Banker

 
Comment by Les Pendens
2008-08-18 06:08:27

..

Errr….Ummmm….

It’s lookin’ like Ft. Meyers (or maybe Tampa) is fixin’ to get hammered.

Wonder how that will affect the housing market here in FL.

1926, anyone ?

..

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-08-18 06:18:46

In a sense, the worst possible storm right now would not be a strong one - but instead a weaker one that creates a lot of mess but not much serious damage (read: no need to rebuild or for emergency gov’t action). A storm that would make already ill kept neighborhoods and houses look even worse for months to come.

After Charley I went to dinner at a coworker’s house in Orlando. The plant debris was piled about three to five everywhere one looked. No real damage to the houses - but the sight would have scared even the most eager knifecathcer away.

 
Comment by watcher
2008-08-18 06:21:27

An interesting fact about the 1926 real estate collapse was that it occurred three years before a stock market collapse. If this cycle housing collapse began in 2006…

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2008-08-18 06:28:01

Not much. Now a hurricane with the intensity of the one that whacked Homestead would be a different story. If that happened now, it would at least somewhat reduce the huge oversupply of houses, which would tend to reduce the depth of the housing price decline. Plus, insurance money flowing into the state would revive the moribund construction industry, at least for a while.

 
Comment by exeter
2008-08-18 07:05:43

http://tinyurl.com/5zsy5t

Remember the RealTards in Florida praying for an end to the “housing slump”? It makes one question exactly what they’re were praying for. Maybe a CAT5 storm to zig-zag across the state?

Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-18 09:34:48

We’ve got a CAT2 storm here named Calico.

 
 
 
Comment by hoz
2008-08-18 06:14:13

“…Barrons reported over the weekend that the Treasury is poised to recapitalize FNMA and Freddie Mac. In so doing they would throw holders of existing common shares, preferred shares and subordinated debt under the metaphorical bus. The article claims that after for accounting stratagems and machinations each GSE has a net worth of about $50billion…”
Across the Curve

Comment by watcher
2008-08-18 06:27:08

and will double the national debt.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-18 06:29:53

Thrown under the metaphorical bus, or walking the metaphorical plank…

same-same

 
Comment by nhz
2008-08-18 08:25:08

the big foreign creditors will love it! But I guess they will be compensated under the table, somehow (another round of huge rewards for all the pension fund managers etc.).

 
Comment by Matt_in_TX
2008-08-18 15:46:08

The money spent to figure out how much they really made or lost over the last few years would be excessive anyway. Better to just restart the gravy train.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2008-08-18 06:15:46

Realtor has a second career while staging homes.

http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/marketing-tips/real-estate-porn-home-stager-edition/2008/08/14/

Perhaps this was inevitable.

Comment by combotechie
2008-08-18 06:40:29

Lol. A great story!

 
Comment by srhappyrenter
2008-08-18 06:56:32

Pretty funny, unless your the owner. I want to know how they doctored those pics. Those slimming photo programs really work.

 
Comment by mgnyc99
2008-08-18 06:59:56

too funny

she looks a little plump and old too be an escort

Comment by exeter
2008-08-18 07:15:42

Wow. What a hideous, ghastly slob. Seriously photochopped pictures. I’m sure the free marketeers would find these family values acceptable because hey, you can’t interfere with markets.

 
 
Comment by cougar91
2008-08-18 07:26:39

The home owner could have avoided all these just by lowering the prices to below the comps in her neighborhood but she probably “didn’t want to give it away”, so to speak. They kinda deserved each other, so to speak.

 
Comment by bizarroworld
2008-08-18 07:54:07

Talk about getting shafted.

 
 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-08-18 06:35:07

This would be a better topic for the local market observations, but the evolution of the housing bubble in Anchorage seems to be going the “soft landing” route, despite my fervent hope of California-and-Florida-style price drops.

The foreclosures locally are houses that are too big, too small, too trashed, or too old. The prices requested by the banks are not as much of a steal as I had hoped, and they are still getting snapped up. 10% price drops seem to be attracting more than a few fence sitters. Only the most ridiculous wishing prices have dropped more than that, so far.

Currently, the best deals locally seem to be offerings from people who are relocating or from trustee estate sales. I’m surprised about that. The economy is stagnant but not yet tanking, and everybody seems confident that the oil based economy will save us from the same fate as the lower 48. Sigh…

Comment by SF Mechanist
2008-08-18 08:28:40

If the Alt-A resets, credit tightening, and the recession have fully played out in Anchorage, then you have my sympathies; otherwise I suspect this isn’t over yet. The places getting hammered in any kind of dramatic way are the first home markets and investment properties. Beyond that, things can stay elevated for awhile as homeowners trade overpriced places among themselves.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-08-18 09:55:54

You’re on the same time line as the Pacific Northwest I would imagine. Think years, not months. We should start seeing some healthy price declines next year, but a good buying opportunity in relation to local rents is likely several years down the road, unless you want to pick up a trashed fixer.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-08-18 10:42:29

“The prices requested by the banks are not as much of a steal as I had hoped, and they are still getting snapped up.”

I’ve asked this before and here we go again: Where is this demand coming from?

If rate of homeownership was at 70% at the peak, are there that many people who want to move up or are first time buyers?

Is this a baby and echo boom phenomenon?

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-08-18 12:37:38

Excellent question. I will try to find out.

 
Comment by anon in DC
2008-08-18 12:58:54

People who think that 10% - 25% off peak prices is a buying opp. This summer in CA. some friends from Sacamento thought they might “pick up” some rental property since prices were “down so much”

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-18 06:36:36

Now that Musharraf ain’t the sheriff anymore, things could get interesting in Pakislamabad?

A.Q. Khan’s handiwork has already been parceled out to North Korea, amongst other rogue nations, and more to follow, surely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Qadeer_Khan

Comment by desertdweller
2008-08-18 08:25:45

Lad, I have been noting with alarm the Rus/Georgia and Mush-pakistan issue and it alarms me greatly. What a mess, and I think it is all planned by the ptb.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-18 08:49:16

It’s all about the oil, and who controls it…

We showed our hand invading Iraq, and Russia still hasn’t played theirs.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2008-08-18 08:56:15

I find it interesting that Pakistan’s parliamentary coalition could pull together and demand the ouster of their corrupt, gladhanding, militaristic president/dictator — while our own legislative bodies have been unable and unwilling to kickstart a similar process here in the alleged Motherlode of Democracy.

 
Comment by WAman
2008-08-18 09:08:18

Just imagine a rogue nation attacks a soverign country, executes their President, and installs a pupet government. You don’t have to imagine this it did happen it’s called IRAQ.

As for what Russia has done in Georgia - once again we have the Bush team to thank. Read todays NY Times.

Comment by BanteringBear
2008-08-18 09:52:17

I was talking to a die hard repub several months ago, and he loudly proclaimed that Bush will go down as perhaps the greatest president in the history of this country. I laughed heartily and asked, “on what merits”? “The Iraq war” was the only answer he could muster. I live in a fairly conservative, rural area, and it never ceases to amaze me how clueless some of these people are.

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-08-18 10:53:12

Why are you surprised? It’s a brilliant strategy a la Rove. It’s an argument you can’t really win because any long term positive might not be known for decades.

If any shred of stability enters that region 10 years from now, it’ll be, “see? told ya so. Best president ever.”

Nevermind the bankruptcy of the nation and the wars we will inevitably enter to try to pay for it all. Weimar, anyone?

Freedom isn’t free, ya know.

 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-08-18 12:50:05

I resent the term “die-hard conservative”. Most of the morons in the Bible Belt wouldn’t know what a true Conservative was if he bit them on the ass. A real conservative puts the Constitution above all else, repudiates all but basic federal expenditures, and taxes based on those expenditures.

Bush does none of those things. The self-proclaimed “conservatives” are actually die-hard feudalists.

 
Comment by exeter
2008-08-18 14:58:55

‘Most of the morons in the Bible Belt wouldn’t know what a true Conservative was if he bit them on the ass.”

You must admit, the RNC, Grover Nordquist and his band of deviants and criminals have done a stellar job at getting these clueless folk to vote against their own economic interests. It is sad really. So many of their supporters don’t have two dimes to rub together yet cluelessly pull the lever for these creepy crawlies.

 
 
Comment by Skip
2008-08-18 09:58:58

I seem to recall Georgia firing the first shots…

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Comment by patient renter
2008-08-18 12:30:39

Is that like Iraq having fired the first shots at the American army massing on their border?

 
Comment by Vulture Vladi
2008-08-18 13:17:53

not exactly like the Iraq army because the Georgian shots were aimed at the civilian population of the breakaway region of Ossetia, not at the Russian army (that took a couple of days to get there if I recall it right)

 
Comment by Skip
2008-08-18 13:21:42

No, it was more like Saddam crashing those planes into the twin towers and sending out those anthrax letters.

 
 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-08-18 10:44:55

Then throw probable US missiles in Poland into the mix. Eesh.

Do other Euro nations still care so little as to not help Poland should Russia get an itch?

 
 
 
Comment by hoz
2008-08-18 06:36:43

US banks scramble to refinance maturing debt

By Francesco Guerrera and Aline van Duyn in New York

“…The rising funding costs are set to put pressure on earnings because, in many of their businesses, banks rely on the difference between borrowing and lending rates to make money…

Mohamed El-Erian, co-chief executive of Pimco, the asset management group, said: “If banks keep borrowing at these levels, you will get a repricing of credit for the whole economy.”

Last week, financial groups including Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase and American International Group borrowed almost $20bn in new long-term debt, paying some of the highest interest rates ever in order to lock in funding. The wave of refinancing is set to continue for several months as billions of dollars in bank debt come due.

For example, Citigroup has more than $5bn of maturing bonds in August, but this climbs to $12.8bn in December, according to Dealogic data. Bank of America, with $7bn maturing in August, also faces higher refunding needs in December, with $9bn of maturing bonds. ..”
FT
Aug 17

The loans of August are here. Last week American Express refinanced its debt at 425bps over treasuries. Junk bond rate. A mighty and powerful old line company has faltered. At least American Express was able to refi, that can’t be said for all the crap that is coming due.

 
Comment by bizarroworld
2008-08-18 06:52:23

The mow-down on grass cutting
When it is finally time to start cutting, there’s the question of which type of mower to use. If you own a gas-powered machine, you should consider that gas-powered lawn equipment in Canada creates about 80,000 tonnes of emissions annually, and uses about 151 million litres of gas, according to Statistics Canada. They’re also responsible for noise pollution.

The most environmentally friendly way to keep the lawn mowed is probably with a push-reel mower. Cullen is a fan of this low-tech approach, partly because the knife-like cutting action is better for the lawn than a rotary-blade power model. The push-reel mower uses no electricity, gas or oil.

Those lawn mowing options would make sitting in the yard a much quieter and less lung damaging experience. But unfortunately these suggestions are likely to be ignored by the NASCAR lawn jockey crowd that mow three times a week and seem to prefer the loudest, most polluting yard machines.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-08-18 07:04:28

“NASCAR lawn jockey crowd”

Now, now - let’s be fair. From my observations the biggest, smokiest, and loudest lawn mowers are used not by individuals but by lawn cutting services. In my neck of the woods the best customers of these lawn cutting services usually drive a car/small SUV plastered with bumperstickers about “change” “saving the planet” and “Tibet”.

Comment by desertdweller
2008-08-18 08:37:40

LawnMowers in the old days USED to be the kids in the family. Boys Used to go around the neighborhoods to mow the neighbors lawns to make extra money.
Just sayin, seems to me the teens are being let off scottfree these days and will become the adults we see now as FBs and crispycole types of criminal adults.

Comment by desertdweller
2008-08-18 08:39:37

Heck, what do I mean, the Boys, as a girl, I did all the weeding/mowing, and car washing to make money.

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Comment by bizarroworld
2008-08-18 09:00:15

A friend of mine recently bought a rider mower in hopes that his son would like doing the lawn, since the son didn’t like doing the lawn with the walk behind self propelled. I told him that the kid would do it once for kicks, but then dad would be on the saddle for the rest of the season. As expected, dad’s back in the saddle.

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Comment by polly
2008-08-18 09:14:46

Since when are kids supposed to like doing chores? You do them whether you like them or not. Because if you don’t you get grounded. How hard is that?

 
Comment by bizarroworld
2008-08-18 09:42:26

Seems easy enough to me, since that was the rule when I was under parental control, but it seems that today there is a more laissez faire attitude with many kids and parents. And I found out the hard way that if I mention anything about parental options that I am only asking for trouble. It’s evolved from “do the lawn or get grounded” to “if you don’t do the lawn, I’ll do it.”

 
 
 
Comment by bizarroworld
2008-08-18 08:40:15

You could add “polar bears” “Sierra Club” and and “go green” to the bumper sticker list. You are correct about some of those lawn services, but some of the reputable services have newer equipment that is both quieter and less polluting. With the strict CA air regulations, maybe the industry will be making quieter, less polluting engines throughout the country.

Emissions are another concern, for both air pollution and global warming. The EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) estimates that a typical gas mower emits as much air pollution per hour as eleven cars. You can minimize emissions by choosing a mower with an engine that meets the California Air Resources Board (CARB) Tier III emissions standards. If that’s not possible, choose a four-cycle overhead-valve (OHV) engine. These are more fuel-efficient, cleaner and last longer than the common two-cycle lawn-mower engines.

http://www.consumersearch.com/www/lawn_and_garden/lawn-mower-reviews/review.html

 
 
Comment by Steve W
2008-08-18 07:04:43

way off topic, ben, my apologies, but in response…

My old push gas mower died this year so I needed a new one. Lawn isn’t humongous, generally was able to complete it in 30-40 min. I actually was planning to get one of the rechargeable electric ones (trying to be more eco-friendly, yada-yada) until I found out a) how expensive they were and b) the fact that you likely will need to replace the battery in a few years, you can’t do it yourself, and it was gonna be somewhere upwards up 125-150 bucks to do so.

So, with much trepidation, I plunked down 85 bucks for the reel mower.

Overall it’s really been a gas. Real easy to push (as compared to the last reel mower I pushed about 25 years ago). Lawn itself looks great. The only issues are:

a) you have to get the twigs up first, otherwise it catches. Not that big a deal
b) doesn’t cut the weeds well at all. Supposed to be pulling them out, anyway, I guess
c) Can’t let the grass get way too long.
d) definitely misses a few blades of grass each time (the longer ones)

Really, I can’t recommend it enough if you have the size of a lawn that it would work with. No gas, no maintenance save the sharpening (which I haven’t done yet), and yeah, it’s a nonpolluter. And again, real easy to push. Takes me maybe 5 minutes longer, tops (mainly because of getting around the trees and needing to trim the occasional blade of grass).

Comment by Olympiagal
2008-08-18 09:02:04

Thanks for the product testing results, Steve. 2 years ago I got an electric mower at a moving sale for 5 bucks, whooo hooo, and I love how quiet it is, and non-pollutingy. It doesn’t even make a gassy oily smell! It just hums quietly and fragrantly along. But it’s true about the cost of the replacement batteries. I haven’t had to do so yet. When I must replace it, it seems that a reel mower is the way to go, but that could be awhile. I live far out in the forest, and on weekends mowing doesn’t seem as urgent a task as, say, swaying in a hammock and staring at trees. My quiet, fragrant mower has cobwebs all over it.

Comment by Steve W
2008-08-18 10:12:35

The reel mower would be perfect for you…but hammock time may lead to grass that is too tall and then, well, chaos. Which is fun in its own way.

Hammock time is the best, I wouldn’t give that up. Perhaps the lack of use of the mower will allow you to spend many years watching the spiders grow fat on your current electric mower before you need battery replacement.

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-08-18 11:55:02

I love to be swayed by the wind in a hammock. Slowly falling asleep while listening to rustling of the leaves as the wind walks through them

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Comment by 45north
2008-08-18 10:54:31

A close family member cut the cord of my electric lawn mower so I looked into the battery-powered electric lawn mowers - $500 or $600 more than I want to spend. So I bought a new number 14 cord brought it home and found out that the female end of the cord did not fit the lawn mower. Took the number 14 cord back and got a number 16 cord. Works fine.

Comment by DennisN
2008-08-18 11:49:22

Once you get in the groove with a corded electric mower you’ll love it. Quiet, no need to haul a gas can around, etc. You just have to learn a good pattern for your lawn.

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Comment by Mot
2008-08-18 18:07:44

Bah humbug. I just got a zero turn Toro. Works great on my two acres. Have to slow down for some bumpy spots, but otherwise driving it is a laugh.

 
 
Comment by Matt_in_TX
2008-08-18 18:15:57

Just don’t hook 2 or 3 of the 16 gauge cords end to end to reach those far corners, especially if your yard is dry. ;)
This is one of those dangerous mistakes that is easy to make.

Using 16 gauge wire for a 100 foot cord sounds a little small for my electric lawn mower. It might work for a 50 foot cord. But check your mower’s manual. Using too thin a cord for too long a distance could damage the mower. (Doubling the length doubles the cords electrical resistance too.)

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Comment by Matt_in_TX
2008-08-18 18:18:05

Another problem I found with smaller cords is that they might be too flexible. The flatter it is, the less likely it is to be damaged if you should run it over.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2008-08-18 06:53:17

OPINION
We’ll All Pay
For the Fed’s
Loose Money Follies
By BENN STEIL
August 18, 2008

The logic behind central bank discretion is that the economy is like a giant factory churning out 100 widgets a year, all of which are happily bought by consumers without prices rising. A sudden “exogenous shock” cuts demand to 98 widgets. But the central bank can then print money to induce consumers to buy up the two excess widgets, thereby stopping the factory from cutting production capacity and causing a “recession.” It claws back the excess money when “equilibrium” is restored.

But what if this analogy is deeply flawed? What if the economy is much more like two factories than one? One factory produces, say, real-estate widgets, and the other produces everything else. If consumers decide they want fewer real-estate widgets and more of some other widgets, it will take time and resources for capacity to shift from the first factory to the second. “GDP” growth will decline during that time. But the process is normal and desirable. By printing more money, the central bank only makes it longer and more painful, not least by producing significant and prolonged inflation.

This is the serious mistake the Fed has made. And in so doing, it has probably killed the last great hope for a sound, durable global fiat money system — inflation targeting.

Mr. Steil is director of international economics at the Council on Foreign Relations, and a co-author of “Money, Markets and Sovereignty” (Yale University Press, forthcoming).

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-18 07:29:46

This is nothing more than the “broken window” fallacy in a modern bottle.

 
Comment by polly
2008-08-18 08:52:10

Interesting idea, but he doesn’t take it far enough. The two factories aren’t houses and everything else. They are “stuff bought on credit” and everything else. And the pushing of credit cards for use to purchase of practically everything, means that for people who carry a balance, it is practically everything that is made in the first factory and for people who pay off every month it isn’t. No time to figure out the implications, but it seems to me that there is a lot weird interaction going on in this model.

 
Comment by VirginiaTechDan
2008-08-18 09:43:36

“And in so doing, it has probably killed the last great hope for a sound, durable global fiat money system — inflation targeting”

If this isn’t the most oxymoronic thing someone could say… “durable global fiat money system maintained by “inflation targeting”".

The author is so simple minded to think that a factory *should* be producing 100 widgets every year and forever. He is also completely blind to the fact that in a competitive economy every individual takes actions to be more efficient (and thereby profitable) than the next guy. To target price “stability” is to eliminate the improvements in efficiency that causes everything to fall in price. This reallocates the wealth generated by all improvements in efficiency (due to technology and specialization) to the creators of money!

The truth is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to “target inflation” because you would have to “target” unknowable prices decreases created by the free market!

FYI, “deflation” is only bad for those who have naked shorted the dollar, aka banks.

Natural deflation (under a fixed money supply) would also tend to keep interest rates low because purchasing power in the future is automatically greater than today. This causes savings rates to be higher which adds more capital to the system and enables stable debt-free and therefore sustainable growth.

Imagine the deflationary computer market where people delay purchases because it will be faster and cheaper tomorrow applied to the whole economy!

 
 
Comment by hoz
2008-08-18 06:55:30

How Low Interest Rates
Contributed to the Credit Crisis
By ETHAN PENNER

“”What inning are we in?” How many times have we all heard that inane question asked and answered in the credit-driven downturn that we’ve been suffering through for over a year now?

We’ve heard many answers from financial industry and government leaders, such as “the worst is behind us,” or “we’ll not need to raise any further capital” — only to learn in short order that our leaders really did not have the ability to make the market bend to their will….

… Credit availability and cost have moved from one extreme to the other. In time, credit spreads will moderate, as lenders, whoever they will be in the next cycle, motivated by the need to earn revenue, will begin competing for good credits once again. Sadly, the benefits of this reduction in spread will more than likely be offset by an increase in the levels of real rates as the signs of inflation continue to appear.

In the meantime, we are still in the midst of what some analysts have dubbed “The Big Unwind,” during which our system unwinds the excessive leverage of the past half-decade. We will likely see asset levels continue to adjust lower in order to come into alignment with today’s more conservative lending environment and produce yields that would attract investment capital. There is no silver bullet that government or the financial community can shoot to bring this to a quick end.”
WSJ Opinion

Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-18 07:10:09

Baseball is a chess game of an athletic event, and generally nobody gets hurt…

To instead inquire as to which round we are in, in the midst of a heavyweight bout that is scheduled to go the full distance of 12 rounds, seems more appropriate.

Comment by In Colorado
2008-08-18 09:10:41

True, but the baseball metaphor works because the length (time) of a base baseball game is undefined, as opposed to say a soccer match which has two 45 minute halves with no timeouts (OK, the ref can add a few minutes of stoppage time at the end of each half, but its trivial).

We have no idea when the housing mess will be sorted out. Of course, being in the “3rd inning” is a vague yardstick, as the remaining innings could all be extra long and, heaven forbid, we could go into extra innings.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-18 09:29:04

But nobody ever gets hurt in baseball…

Even the dugout emptying fights are like touch-Kabuki, usually.

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Comment by In Colorado
2008-08-18 09:38:57

They might pull a hamstring if they run out too quickly.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2008-08-18 12:50:14

But nobody ever gets hurt in baseball…

well……

there is the occasional exception:

Minor League Baseball Coach Killed by Line Drive

foxnews.com — The batting coach for the Tulsa Drillers was pronounced dead at a hospital Sunday evening after being struck in the head by a line drive as he stood in the first-base coach’s box during a Texas League game with the Arkansas Travelers

Happened Last July

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Chad
2008-08-18 06:55:54

From “Pinched: Tales from the Economic Downturn”" on Salon today:

“I had a master’s degree. I had a job. But to feed my three children, I had to swallow my pride and go to a soup kitchen.”

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/08/18/heather_ryan/

Comment by watcher
2008-08-18 07:35:13

I never understand why people feel they are entitled to a stable diet because they are educated, or feel the need to point out their educational creditials.

Comment by Incredulous
2008-08-18 08:22:14

Classy people don’t.

 
Comment by patient renter
2008-08-18 13:34:14

Seriously. Check out this choice quote:

I graduated summa cum laude from my undergraduate program, earned a spot in a top graduate writing program, where I earned a 4.05.

I feel for anyone who doesn’t have enough money to feed their families, but over and over she seems to be really trying to position herself as being above the typical person who would go to a soup kitchen by flaunting her education.

As someone said, definately not classy.

Comment by cougar91
2008-08-18 16:44:40

I didn’t quite read it like that. To me she was making the point that if she studied hard in school and got herself an education, should she not have to go to a soup kitchen with her 3 kids? In a way she does have a point in that education should generally equal a higher standard of living (no guarantee of course, but rule of thumb), but since I do not know the whole story behind her fall, I can’t make a proper judgement one way or another.

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-18 07:45:36

I’m guessing she makes $20-25K a year with three kids (and not a whole lot of support from the dad as the article indicates.)

So maybe $35K-ish = $2,000 a month (after taxes.)

With 3 kids, I could see how this would be a problem even if she were renting.

Moral? Breeding is expensive. Triple breeding on a secretary’s salary is suicide.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-18 07:59:51

“Half the booths were taken, most of them with older people in clean and pressed clothes: nice slacks, plaid shirts. They looked like the kind of people you’d expect to see in Florida, or on a golf course. Later, after I sat down, I would notice the carefully sewn cuffs and hems, the knees of slacks worn shiny and thin. From far away, they all looked like people you’d see in a retirement center crocheting or playing shuffleboard.”
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The fraying of the fabric of American society is well underway, but where do the traditional homeless (drugs/alcohol/mental) end up when the middle class crowds them out of their usual haunts?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-08-18 08:02:31

Excellent point.

However, the former middle class are the new homeless.

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Comment by watcher
2008-08-18 08:32:08

The traditional homeless are in prisons.

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-18 09:43:39

California is a mecca for hardcore traditional homeless folks, due to the weather and lack of freezing temps for the most part.

They’ll be pushed out first by the first big wave of the middle class, using the only credit card they have left, American Entitlement*, to outsquat the squatters and take their place.

* Don’t leave home without it!

 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-08-18 11:44:54

Every time I visit SoCal I can only wonder how on earth do the people who make $10/hr even survive down there? I can only guess that the majority of those employed in the hospitality biz in Anaheim (both for the mouse and others) and elsewhere must receive some form of public assistance.

What a state. Cops, firemen and other public servants earn princely salaries, the great masses make $10/hr and the state is broke!

One thing I did notice on the recent trip, grocery store items are much more expensive than here. Sometimes I wonder why there isn’t a mass exodus out of the place. I know that there has been a “white flight” for some years now, but why would anyone stay?

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-08-18 12:24:36

Arizona is also in the running for this title. We have more than our share of hardcore homeless here.

 
Comment by sartre
2008-08-18 12:24:42

A bit OT, but has anyone noticed crime spikes in their respective cities? I keep track of bay area and chicago and both seem to be exploding (murder rate up 18% in chicago)

 
Comment by roguevalleygirl
2008-08-18 15:07:44

Don’t bet on it. The traditional homeless know how the system works. The new homeless will be like fish out of water, but may garner more sympathy because “but for the grace of god, there be I”.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Matt_in_TX
2008-08-18 18:27:37

Article didn’t say whether their part of the family was “house poor” after the divorce.

 
 
Comment by hoz
2008-08-18 06:57:26

Merrill facing auction rate suit
“The bank says it is voluntarily doing it and doing it their own way. I want them to do it my way,” Mr Cuomo told reporters yesterday.

Merrill has been given five days to show why Mr Cuomo should not take action. It said yesterday: “We were surprised New York sent us a letter threatening legal action on ARS. We have been discussing this issue with New York and other regulators . . . we thought we were making progress.”

FT

Frank Sinatra would be great in the background, “I did it my way.”

Comment by polly
2008-08-18 09:21:12

Some phone calls crossed my “desk” a month or two ago that make me think (in hind sight) that they were certainly trying things besides actually buying back the bonds to fix this. I think it was some issues with the pension funds that actually killed that version - I only saw a little corner so I have no verifiable facts. However, given how hard they were trying to get out of doing this in a straightforward way, I’d say Cuomo’s scepticism is fully justified.

 
 
Comment by Brian in Chicago
2008-08-18 06:58:31

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-sun-title-insurance-fraud-aug17,0,1998638.story

Ticor Title, one of the largest title insurance firms in the country, is suing Countrywide Home Loans, the nation’s largest home lender, saying it shouldn’t have to pay out on a title policy because of Countrywide’s gross negligence.

The suit, filed last month in Cook County Chancery Court, concerns just one Chicago mortgage made by Countrywide in 2007, but the implications are enormous, say real estate and title insurance experts.

Some of you may remember this from earlier this year. This was the case of a speculator who bought a house from Countrywide at a foreclosure sale, only to discover upon first entry that a man had been sitting in the house, dead, for many many months.

From the original article:
All the longtime neighbors at the south end of Oakenwald Avenue knew Randy Johnson and his mother, Arrellia Johnson.

Randy Johnson had never been quite normal, they said. He was standoffish, almost aloof as a child. They said he didn’t work except for tinkering with cars in front of his house, and as he got older he became reclusive.

There were “Keep Out” and “Private Property” signs posted all over his small back yard, which was crowded with six city garbage cans. A metal shopping cart blocked the concrete stairs to the basement door, and a collection of jury-rigged chains and padlocks held outside doors shut.

Oakenwald neighbor Craig Cox remembers that it took years for Johnson to respond to him when he waved. Scott Clayton, whose garage faced Johnson’s across the alley, recalled a few run-ins with him.

One time Johnson complained when Clayton was clearing snow from his garage door and piling it next to a brick wall that served as Johnson’s back fence. Clayton didn’t understand why until later, when he saw Johnson climbing over the brick wall because his gate was broken.

Whatever his quirks, Johnson was a neighborhood fixture, sitting on his front stoop in a butterfly chair with his dog, Prince, beside him. He loved animals and adopted strays.

Things got worse for Johnson, neighbors say, after his family began to fall apart. One sister, Joe Ann Harris, died in 1996. Another sister, Bobbiette, moved to the East Coast.

Then his mother died in 2001, and Johnson was left alone in the three-story house.

In November 2005, Johnson was arrested for brandishing a “short sword” when a female friend wanted to go home, police records show. He didn’t stop her, but police charged him with aggravated assault. He posted bond and was ordered to return for a court date in early December 2005. Johnson never showed up, records show, and his bond was forfeited.

When Johnson hadn’t appeared outside for weeks in early 2006, neighbors called the city’s non-emergency number asking for well-being checks, fearing he might have had an accident. Firefighters broke down the front door and searched but didn’t locate Johnson. His death remains under investigation.

Comment by Matt_in_TX
2008-08-18 18:37:43

Gee, I kind of assumed that the firm whose money is on the line was the one who nosed around making sure all the titles were clear ahead of time. You mean that the title companies let the loan sellers vet the title searches and just write insurance hoping for the best?

If so, how more flawed can the RE system get?

 
 
Comment by hoz
2008-08-18 07:12:05

Mr. Tom Toles has a cartoon in the WaPo this morn comparing the housing market to the elevator.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html

Comment by desertdweller
2008-08-18 08:49:06

Good cartoon
doh, I just noticed something…

 
Comment by Matt_in_TX
2008-08-18 18:39:22

More like a free falling elevator with fat people elbowing themselves aside to jump in as it screams past each floor.

 
 
Comment by hoz
2008-08-18 07:17:27

Hard-pressed consumers refuse to read from the script

By Aline van Duyn

“…In previous periods of economic strain, there were well-established patterns to the way people handled their debts. “There was a clear hierarchy of payments,” says Mr Rosenberger. “You paid your mortgage first to stay in your house, paid your auto loan second to get to your job, paid your utilities, and then your phone bill, and other obligations later.”

But there is no legal reason for people to follow this pattern. When consumers borrow money, the ranking of different debt – from student loans, to auto loans, to credit cards, to mortgages – is largely up to the individual.

Endebted America chart“Many people with debts now have little experience of living in an environment where they can’t just keep borrowing more,” says Dennis Moroney, research director at TowerGroup. “Now, as they are losing value on their homes, they may be less motivated to repay their mortgages. Instead, they will focus on necessities, such as eating or paying for heating fuel. To pay for those, they need to keep their credit cards open. Credit cards have become an essential item for many people….”

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1dbd20ac-6c7b-11dd-96dc-0000779fd18c.html

‘We can see this behavior and it scares the hell out of us.”

Comment by takingbets
2008-08-18 11:00:36

from the link:

“They said: ‘We’re getting killed with losses, can we figure out more accurately who will do what, so we can be more accommodating with some borrowers but not with others’,” Mr Rosenberger says.

they should have thought about this long before they made the loans! when you loan to anybody and everybody this is what happens.

 
 
Comment by hoz
2008-08-18 07:30:51

Export Boom Helps Farms, but Not American Factories

“…The historical data tell us clearly: don’t get too used to commodity export booms; as any third world country will tell you, they tend to go away pretty quickly,” said L. Josh Bivens, a trade expert at the labor-oriented Economic Policy Institute. …

Such unevenness, favoring commodities, is unusual, given that manufactured products, even by this definition, account for 40 percent of the nation’s exports, while commodities make up only 26 percent and services 30 percent. Indeed, not since the bureau began compiling detailed trade data in 1977 have commodities outpaced manufactured exports for two consecutive quarters….”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/18/business/economy/18export.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1&ref=business&oref=slogin

Now that commodities’ are priced lower, we achieve full third world status.

Comment by nhz
2008-08-18 08:30:30

do these farmers really need to get even fatter wallets? In Netherlands the average farmer (and I guess the same goes for most of the fishermen etc.) has a basic net worth of 1.6 million euros, that is without even taken the farms cash flow and future profitability into account (like this years record profit on grains etc., or the huge profits when selling farm land to home developers). Of course a big chunk of that value is related to land values. I guess the average US farmer is a multi-millionaire?

maybe it is time for a reversal of fortunes…

Comment by In Colorado
2008-08-18 09:44:08

A lot of the farming out here is done by agribusiness. But from what I have heard is that family farms that are debt free can do quite well, maybe not multi-millionaire well, but upper middle class well.

 
Comment by KyleO
2008-08-18 10:30:39

Are you saying that farmers are multi-millionaire fat cats because they have so much equity in their land?

In my area, most of the big $$$$ land is valued such because it may be sold someday for a sweet new subdivision.

I’m going to guess that 90% of that worth is the land and the remainder is equipment. If that’s the case, they WILL be taken down a peg when that land value decreases. And the only ones that will care are the big-retirement HELOC crowd.

 
 
 
Comment by hoz
2008-08-18 07:35:15

Olympic Closing Ceremonies To Feature Launch Of Chinese Nuclear Arsenal, Invasion Of United States

BEIJING—Responding to controversy regarding lip-syncing singers and “simulated” fireworks during the Olympic opening ceremonies, Chinese Olympic officials announced Tuesday that the closing ceremonies would feature a full-scale nuclear ICBM launch followed almost immediately by 2 million amphibious troops marching into California.

“We have pledged to respond to our critics in a fashion that exemplifies the culture and direction of modern China,” a statement from the newly created Chinese Strategic Olympic Committee and Global Strike Force read in part. “The world shall thrill to the spectacle of 1,000 character dancers, 10,000 traditional acrobats, 100,000 commandos storming out of the Pacific surf into Los Angeles and San Francisco, and dozens of cities burning at one million degrees.” The statement also expressed regret that, due to the unique circumstances of this year’s closing ceremonies, handing over the Olympic Games to the heavily targeted city of London would probably not be physically possible.”

Onion

Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-18 08:15:05

A friend who is deaf and can read lips was watching our dear leader and Mr. Putin talking to one another @ the olympics, and his take on the conversation was as follows:

g.w.b.: Pootie poot, this taking of Georgia will not stand!

V.P.: You are defenseless to stop us, as your conventional army and weaponry is quite simply, used up, from fighting an endless 2-front war.

g.w.b.: Ok Pootie poot, you can have all of Georgia, but only to the Alabama state line and not a step further…

Comment by exeter
2008-08-18 09:30:50

The idiot son looked into Putins eyes and saw his soul; A good man he declared. The rest of the planet look at Putin and see dark pools of KGB death.

 
 
Comment by Cassandra
2008-08-18 13:53:31

Just another bunch of gun totin’ illeagals. Would anyone in California notice?

 
 
Comment by FP
2008-08-18 08:24:08

Shortening School days due to hard economic times and high energy costs:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080818/ap_on_re_us/schools_hard_times

This is really a shame. How can you approve a 4 day school week? I remember getting up at 6:00 every day to be at my elemenatry school by 7:30 before the start at 8:00. And school ends at 3:30. That was a full day of learning. I don’t know about public schools now but my kids, which attend a”catholic” private elementary/middle school have the same hours. and athletic afterwards.

My parents couldn’t afford private school but at least my public school utilized a very long day to cram as much information in me.

And what’s this about a four day work week for Government Agencies? They barely work anyways. and you giving them a four day work week?

Comment by watcher
2008-08-18 08:37:48

You can work 40 hours in four work days; it is not uncommon.

As for schools, some locales are in a tax revolt, refusing to pay more property taxes to support increasing school/teacher costs. Something has to give and as a non-parent and a taxpayer, I say shorten the school day.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2008-08-18 08:55:33

Keep em dumb, keep em stupid.
The sheeple will follow. Make sure you keep the TV on.

With a 4 day school week, what parent will be able to afford DayCare or what about teens? Either the drug situation will get much worse, or pregnancy rates/STDs will rise. And the fat/pudgy rate of kids will soar. The latch-key kids will get dumber/fatter…a serious foreboding in my gut.
Or else it is the oatmeal.haha

Comment by VirginiaTechDan
2008-08-18 09:52:21

I am so glad that I am robbed to support socialized day care in order to prevent an “increase in crime, stds, pregnancy, etc”

Seriously, cut out high school all together. Socialized high school was only started to reduce “unemployment” during the great depression and to “boost wages” to offset “deflation”.

 
 
Comment by Skip
2008-08-18 10:41:04

Thats interesting, because the arguments are exactly the opposite when ever anyone mentions going to school 12 months out of the year instead of 9 months.

In Texas, we spend a lot of money every summer air conditioning empty schools.

Of course, football coaches are in favor of both 12 month schooling and 4 day school weeks.

 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2008-08-18 09:10:34

We are one of those people that make over $250,000 a year, and I don’t agree that that makes us rich,” said Melinda Sacks, who runs her husband’s law office in San Clemente,put her in the “wealthy” category.

“Even with that kind of income, we struggle to pay everything we have gotten ourselves into.”

well then this is what is going to happen with our economy, as has been posted here, people of all levels of income are living on the edge.

Another question, how can you be an attorney and a christian all at the same time.There is a joke in here somewhere, or at the bottom of the ocean.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-18 09:21:14

Outward appearances went from being a little important when I was a lad, to of utmost importance by the time I reached adulthood, and it’s increased in magnitude to the point where everybody felt obliged to keep up with the Joneses, real or imagined, in virtually every strata of our society, financially.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-08-18 09:30:44

I have heard of “christian” attorneys who refuse to sue for punitive damages. They will sue to cover to actual loss, but no further.

It must be hard for them to get customers….

I also recall an old Bloom County commic strip where aliens switch brains on Steve Dallas and give him a liberal brain. Back on earth he thwarts the bail process for a customer, an axe murderer. He asks his customer something like “what king of person would I be if I got you back on thes street?” and receives the reply “You’ld be a lawyer”

 
 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2008-08-18 09:26:49

Renewable Power’s Growth in Colorado Presages National Debate…

DENVER — When Colorado voters were deciding whether to require that 10 percent of the state’s electricity come from renewable fuels, the state’s largest utility fought the proposal, warning that any shift from coal and natural gas would be costly, uncertain and unwise.

Then a funny thing happened. The ballot initiative passed, and Xcel Energy met the requirement eight years ahead of schedule. And at the government’s urging, its executives quickly agreed to double the target, to 20 percent.

Funny how you can never get a straight answer or a solution from a corporation until you back them into a corner.

Comment by exeter
2008-08-18 09:48:27

And that is all it requires ET. A little bit of will and the concept of fair play goes a long way.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-08-18 09:53:35

I remember well how they fought that ballot initiative.

Now big oil is fighting to keep its corporate welfare. But with tax receipts here trailing TABOR limits, they can expect to lose their taxpayer provided bounty. tsk, tsk.

It would be nice for the “little people” to start receiving budget surplus refunds again. Its been almost 10 years since the last time.

 
 
Comment by ouro verde
2008-08-18 09:32:26

http://www.standardpacifichomes.com/findhome/NeighborhoodFloorPlan.aspx?NID=1190&FPID=445057

It takes everything for me to open bills each month, but this flyer from Venzano, near me, pissed me off.

What happened to my corridor 78 post from cali?

 
Comment by takingbets
2008-08-18 09:32:59

Washington offers no relief for savers

The average rate on a one-year CD these days is around 2.3 percent, according to Bankrate.com. However, inflation has been rising closer to 5 percent over the past year, so savers are seeing their returns wiped out.

“Savings are taking it on the chin,” says Greg McBride, senior financial analyst at Bankrate.com. “The Fed’s rate cuts geared to aiding ailing homeowners with adjustable-rate mortgages have come at the expense of savers and retirees dependent on fixed income,” he said. “For the past 12 months, there has been a double whammy for savers as interest rates have fallen and inflation has increased.”

The average rate on a savings account is a rock bottom 0.37 percent, Bankrate says. That’s even worse than the 0.46 percent rate for the same time last year.

David Middleton and others are so mad about the situation in Washington that they got together and formed the grassroots group, Fed Up USA. The group — whose members number around 40 — have protested in Washington and elsewhere against “federal financial irresponsibility.”

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080818/uneasy_economy_where_s_the_outrage.html?.v=2

Comment by In Colorado
2008-08-18 11:49:42

Where is the outrage? I think that most people are too scared right now to express any form of outrage.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2008-08-18 13:50:08

“Where is the outrage?”

I can’t speak for the nation, but locally the PTB have done a superb job at getting us to aim it at each other. I have supreme doubts about any ability to change the “divided we fall” status.

I find it so odd that small business owners and other well educated professionals don’t understand that they’re going to be suffering w/this downturn too. There seems to be such glee watching the weak flounder with little realization that they’re not much further from the vortex in the toilet water

Comment by tresho
2008-08-18 18:55:42

The most interesting thing about this news article is the fact that the bank depositors who put up with an interest rate on savings of 0.47% must not care enough about the matter to switch their accounts to one of the many banks paying far higher interest rates than that. No one is forcing depositors to keep their money in such cheapskate banks. For depositors whose total bank balance is in the $1000 range, those interest rates scarcely matter.

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Comment by Matt_in_TX
2008-08-18 19:10:30

Outrage:
Savings are taking it on the chin,” says Greg McBride, senior financial analyst at Bankrate.com. “The Fed’s rate cuts geared to aiding ailing homeowners banks with adjustable-rate mortgages have come at the expense of savers and retirees dependent on fixed income,” he said.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-08-18 09:37:46

It appears the the PTB are starting to admit that there is nothing the can do about the housing bust and the economy in general:

http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/15/news/economy/Sloan_washingtons_solution.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2008081810

Don’t believe in miracles. Rely on them.

 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-08-18 10:06:26


Housing Market Index and Traffic of Prospective Buyers Stays at an All-Time Low

From the survey of homebuilders:

http://www.nahb.org/generic.aspx?genericContentID=529

A reading below 20 means that the conditions are horrible.

Jas

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-08-18 10:16:04

NAHB HMI Index of homebuilder sentiment is stuck at a record low level of 16 for the second month running.

Data and chart are available here.

 
Comment by takingbets
2008-08-18 10:16:28

while going thru my e-mail i ran across this from barbara boxer about the housing rescue plan.

Dear Friend:

Congress recently passed legislation to address the home mortgage crisis. This legislation will impact people across the nation, and I am pleased to send you my summary of the bill.

This legislation is intended to help people across the nation as they struggle to pay their mortgages. Importantly, all of the costs of this legislation are covered by revenue-raising provisions it outlines, meeting Congress’ pay-as-you-go standards. It is intended to keep families in their homes, and help our struggling economy. No speculators, investment properties, second or third homes will be refinanced.

If you would like to read my ABCs summary of the “Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008,” please use this link.

Sincerely,

Barbara Boxer
United States Senator

Comment by takingbets
2008-08-18 10:28:40

heres the link that is attached to the e-mail she sent if anyone wants to look.

http://boxer.senate.gov/features/mortgage/housingfaq.cfm

Comment by Skwee
2008-08-18 16:33:49
 
 
 
Comment by packman
2008-08-18 10:22:46

I have to laugh at all the index headlines whenever the market has a bad day.

“Renewed credit fears drag down stocks”

“Wall St slides as credit worries rattle financials”

etc. etc.

Excuse me - it’s not credit fears that are causing the market downturns. It’s credit problems. As in - lack of credit, not fear of lack of credit.

It’s kind of like writing an article about a guy who dies when his parachute doesn’t open, and titling it “Fear of falling causes man’s death”.

Comment by Skwee
2008-08-18 16:39:16

The fear is that the true extent of the credit problems will become more widely known.

 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-08-18 10:25:25


http://www.dqnews.com/News/California/Southern-CA/RRSCA080818.aspx

Southland home sales post annual gain as prices drop again
August 18, 2008
La Jolla, CA—The number of Southern California homes sold last month edged up to its highest level in more than a year as bargain hunters swept up foreclosure properties in affordable neighborhoods, a real estate information service reported.

A total of 20,329 new and resale houses and condos sold in Los Angeles, Riverside, San Diego, Ventura, San Bernardino and Orange counties last month. That was up 16.7 percent from 17,424 the previous month and up 13.8 percent from 17,867 for July a year ago, according to San Diego-based MDA DataQuick.
Last month’s sales count was the highest since 21,856 homes were sold in March 2007, though it still fell 23 percent short of the average July sales total since 1988, when MDA DataQuick’s statistics begin. From last September through June, sales for each month were at an all-time low for that particular calendar month, with the exception of April which was the next lowest. Last month’s sales total was the first since September 2005 to rise above the year-ago level.

“What we’re looking at is a fire sale of properties in newer affordable neighborhoods that were bought or refinanced near the price peak with lousy mortgages. What we’re still not seeing is this level of distress spreading to more expensive or established neighborhoods,” said John Walsh, MDA DataQuick president.
The median price paid for a Southland home was $348,000 last month, down 2.0 percent from $355,000 in June and down 31.1 percent from $505,000 for July 2007. That peak of $505,000 was reached in March, April, May and July of last year.

The median has fallen because of depreciation, especially in inland markets, and because of the steep drop off in home financing in the so-called jumbo category, which until recently was defined as loans above $417,000.

Jas

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-08-18 11:19:44

How is that plan to respike the housing price inflation punchbowl by raising the conforming loan limits working?

The median price paid for a Southland home was $348,000 last month, down 2.0 percent from $355,000 in June and down 31.1 percent from $505,000 for July 2007. That peak of $505,000 was reached in March, April, May and July of last year.

Comment by In Colorado
2008-08-18 11:54:06

And they speak of 348K as “affordable”. Maybe if you have a 6 figure income.

The problem with respiking a punch bowl is that once everyone is drunk it doesn’t make a difference anymore. And once the hangover kicks in you don’t want to even see the blasted punch bowl.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-08-18 12:58:43

I guess you don’t believe in hair of the dog hangover cures (e.g., economic stimulus, mortgage rescue plan, etc)?

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Comment by Jas Jain
2008-08-18 12:03:46


Solution to the problems created by the govt (Fed, GSEs, CONgress) is always more govt “help.”

In my book (someone who was doing research on impact of debt on households at the ripe old age of 8), pushing debt of any kind is evil. The consequences of this evil widespread practice were never in doubt; only the timing was. And now the timing is already past.

The Vicious Cycle (falling prices –> falling employment –> falling prices…) will push California in depression by 2010.

Jas

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-08-18 12:20:45

“…pushing debt of any kind is evil.”

And the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was what again? Hmmm?

Debt should not be a lifestyle!

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Comment by Professor Bear
2008-08-18 12:57:27

To put a finer point on this, you could have lost $150,000 in home equity wealth by taking to heart your friendly neighborhood used home seller’s advice this time last year that “there has never been a better time to buy” and acting on it.

Meanwhile, the used home sellers in my hood are still trying to brainwash prospective buyers into believing they are throwing away money if they are renting. For the $150,000 we saved by not buying a year ago, we could rent the home we currently live in for another twelve years.

 
 
 
Comment by Renterinaz
2008-08-18 10:25:46

Blame Television we went from Ozzie and Harriet to Dallas and the example was from wholesome families to disfunctional rich cadres with asssorted hangers on and criminal stuff. Just a small matter of tv setting the stage and the sheeple following it. Or I could be wrong.

Comment by Skip
2008-08-18 10:47:34

You have seen pictures of Matthew and Gunnar Nelson havn’t you?

 
Comment by polly
2008-08-18 12:02:15

Actually, that is one of the major premises of a very good, if outdated book, “The Overspent American” by Juliet Schor. She had data backing it up with hours of TV watched vs. credit card debt, I think. She also beleives it is influenced by the “flattening” of the workplace - people at vastly different pay scales working together in ways they never did before so a $30K a year admin feels like she needs to keep up with people making 3 or 4 times as much money.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-08-18 12:12:56

That last bit is quite interesting. It’s up to individual to decide against whom and/or what to compete. Competing with coworkers is a sucker’s bet…that’s where one finds the biggest liars. (okay, church congregations and school reunions are probably worse)

 
 
 
Comment by bizarroworld
2008-08-18 10:33:14

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/080818/usa_housing_homebuilder.html

Home builders stay grim in August

“Builders are anticipating the stimulative effects of this legislation and are optimistic that the tax credit will give those buyers who’ve been sitting on the fence the reason they need to jump back into the market,” NAHB President Sandy Dunn said in a statement.

Delusion springs eternal.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-18 11:03:01

Interesting what a pasting the white precious metals (silver-platinum-palladium) have taken, in comparison to mellow yellow’s downturn…

Comment by watcher
2008-08-18 11:17:55

Uncle Buck takes a breather today, and down goes the market. Foreign central banks not buying this week?

But look what is up; the PMs. Silver was always more volatile but now it is just, well, unavailable at the ’spot’ price.

 
Comment by watcher
2008-08-18 11:46:02

Ye Olde Barberous Relic Shoppe Online currently has a few gold eagles for $50 over spot, silver for $3.50 over spot and they are going fast. Such highway robbery should induce me to call the Sheriff of Nottingham to report brigandry. The search continues…

 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-08-18 11:51:01

Well, with car sales down 25%, that should reduce industrial demand for platinum and palladium.

 
 
Comment by watcher
2008-08-18 11:38:34

10 year Treasury at 3.81. That’s a Greater Depression type number. And the stock MARKet (where you are the mark) doesn’t seem to like the potential enema that Hankzooka has lined up for Fannie and Fred. Oh me, oh my.

Comment by takingbets
2008-08-18 13:05:41

“Though stocks remain out of favor, Treasuries are not garnering considerable attention. The benchmark 10-year Note is only up 7 ticks despite heavy losses in stocks.”

bonehead question, but what does this mean?

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2008-08-18 13:51:37

“bonehead question, but what does this mean?”

In a normal market, you see sector rotation. As set amount of money coming out of one asset and going into another. People sell stocks and buy commodities. Sell commodities and buy bonds. Sell bonds and buy…???

What they are saying is that money is coming out of stocks and commodities, but does not appear to be going anywhere.

This happens if money leaves a country, goes to pay back loans, goes to cover losses….

Easy for insiders to make money when money is moving between secotrs. Hard for the insiders to make money when it is just “going away”.

Comment by packman
2008-08-18 18:38:49

OK here’s perhaps another dumb question - wouldn’t low yields on treasuries indicate that a lot of money is coming into them? High demand = high price = low yield.

I would expect that if the money is just going away, that the treasury would have to raise yields to attract investors.

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Comment by vozworth
2008-08-18 19:01:17

thats not a question.

thats an obsevation. US yields are already dangerously low. If you look at the short end of the curves..would you expect UK or Ozzie bonds to advance?

http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/rates/

 
Comment by vozworth
2008-08-18 19:06:25

this is a word trick.

Rally or advance.

You rally with friends and cohorts, you advance on the enemy. Treasury doesnt run the market rate, they follow it….”official” rates are obviously too high.

Dont look too hard for signs of recession or doom and gloom, they have been with us for quite some time now.

 
Comment by cactus
2008-08-18 19:21:56

yes flight to safety

 
 
 
 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-08-18 15:53:42

Sheila did a theya culpa on the FED, blaming them for FDIC’s woes, over the weekend…

Passing the buck in this fashion usually means some momentous event is about to happen, financially.

Please fasten your seat belts…

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-08-18 17:35:24

Monday, August 18, 2008

Freddie and Fannie back in the news

One report says Treasury officials are worried the mortgage giants won’t survive without government help. Their true value of assets on their books is questoned too. Steve Henn reports.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-08-18 19:56:52

The elephants that were under the living rug are no longer contained.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-08-18 23:13:30

Fresh fears as Fannie and Freddie plunge

By Michael Mackenzie, Saskia Scholtes and Nicole Bullock in New York and Krishna Guhain Washington

Published: August 19 2008 02:17 | Last updated: August 19 2008 02:17

Fears about the financial system grew on Monday as money market liquidity tightened and sharp falls in the share prices of mortgage financiers Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac led the US stock market lower.

Fannie’s and Freddie’s shares lost 22 per cent and 25 per cent, respectively, after an article in Barron’s suggested that the US government was considering recapitalising the companies on terms that would all but wipe out existing shareholders.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-08-18 23:17:39

Once opened, Pandora’s box proved impossible to close.

Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Are Pounded
Two Stocks Plunge
On Growing Fears
Of a U.S. Bailout
By JAMES R. HAGERTY and APARAJITA SAHA-BUBNA
August 19, 2008; Page A3

Share prices of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac plunged Monday amid growing fears that the two largest providers of funding for U.S. home mortgages won’t be able to avoid a government bailout.

In 4 p.m. trading on the New York Stock Exchange, Freddie shares were down 25% to $4.39. Fannie stock dropped 22% to $6.15. Both stocks are down more than 90% from a year ago.

The latest price declines came after an article in the financial weekly Barron’s asserted that a government bailout is likely and could wipe out the value of common shares in Fannie and Freddie.

In early July, a previous plunge in the companies’ shares prompted the U.S. Treasury to announce a package of measures aimed at shoring up investor confidence. Among other things, the Treasury said it would lend money to the companies or make equity investments in them if needed.

“As the secretary has said many times, we have no plans on using the authority,” Treasury spokeswoman Jennifer Zuccarelli said Monday, referring to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson. She declined to comment on “speculation” that Treasury might inject some capital into the firms.

 
 
Comment by Homoaner
2008-08-18 19:01:55

From today’s Dallas Morning News:

Jim Greenwood said he never dreamed his HOA would have a problem with his new Ford F-150 pickup. Then he received the first of three notices threatening him with fines.

Stonebriar HOA rules allow several luxury trucks on driveways, including the Cadillac Escalade, Chevy Avalanche, Honda Ridgeline and Lincoln Mark LT. But most Ford, Dodge or Chevy pickups are restricted.

“It’s very frustrating and confusing. It’s hard to imagine how an HOA would try to dictate what type of vehicle you can drive and park in your driveway,” Mr. Greenwood said.

“The high-end vehicles that are allowed are plush with amenities and covers on the back. It doesn’t look like a pickup,” he said. “It’s fancier.”

Mr. Greenwood appealed, claiming his Ford F-150 isn’t much different from the Lincoln Mark LT.

“The response was: ‘It’s our belief that Lincoln markets to a different class of people,’ ” he said. “Furthermore, one board member told my wife that if we don’t like it, we can move.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-08-18 23:23:17

Is it really possible the WSJ editors are ignorant of the fact that Alt-A and prime resets don’t peek until after 2009? Or are they just playing the role of porcine beautician?

And what about Barney and Fred, er I mean Chris? Haven’t heard much out of them since they pushed through their housing rescue plan…

REVIEW & OUTLOOK
When Henry Met Fannie
August 19, 2008; Page A16

There’s no rest for a Treasury Secretary in a financial meltdown, as Hank Paulson is discovering. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac continue to bleed mortgage losses, and so the Treasury chief may soon have no choice but to pull the trigger on his new authority for taxpayers to recapitalize the mortgage giants.

Fan and Fred shares took another header yesterday, in the wake of a Barron’s article predicting that a Treasury recap was “almost inevitable.” When a single story in one day can take nearly 22% off Fannie shares, and nearly 25% off Freddie’s, you know investors are scared to death.

They should be. Two weeks ago the companies added another $3.1 billion in losses to the $11 billion they’d already reported in recent quarters. Both companies slashed their dividends and warned they’d buy fewer mortgages, while being more selective about those they do buy. So much for the assertion — made so confidently this year by Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Chuck Schumer — that Fan and Fred would rescue the mortgage market from the housing slump.

Instead the companies have dug an even deeper hole than have many subprime lenders. Their current run of losses are based in so-called Alt-A loans, aka “liar loans,” that didn’t require enough proof of borrower net worth. Fan and Fred piled into Alt-A mortgages in recent years as a way to gain market share amid the late, unlamented housing mania. No one knows how many of those loans will go belly-up before the housing market starts to turn, presumably in 2009.

 
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