It’s Time To Cut Back In California
The Union Tribune reports from California. “ABA Recovery Service owner Marcelle Egley-Sparks said that in the past year, high-end repossessions have swelled from about 15 percent of the 350 items taken by her company each month to about 50 percent. ‘People are finding themselves overextended now that the economy is failing,’ Egley-Sparks said.”
“Leisure-time toys reflect the excesses facilitated by the fat economy and booming real estate values of a few years ago. Now that the economy is in decline and the real estate bubble has burst, people are losing or unloading their wants for the sake of their needs.”
“It does hurt, and Alex Ochoa knows how much. He’s being forced to give up his 25-foot travel trailer because he can’t afford to keep it. Ochoa, like tens of thousands of others caught in the real estate collapse, is upside-down on his La Mesa house. He paid more than it’s worth now, and he wants to minimize his losses with a new mortgage. ”
“Ochoa is willing to give up the item to anyone qualified to take over the $136 monthly payments. ‘Take advantage of this great deal,’ Ochoa pleads in an Internet ad for the trailer.”
“‘It’s time to cut back,’ he said.”
“Robert Manning, director of the Center for Consumer Financial Services at E. Philip Saunders College of Business in Rochester, N.Y., cautions that the next year or so could be even worse for those who overindulged during the high times.”
“‘They are the ones who are really going to be hurting,’ he said.”
“They’ve already lost equity in their homes, and now they may be facing the loss of jobs - further shaking the foundations that once supported discretionary splurges. ‘It is a question: What is the American dream?’ Manning said. ‘And does it mean just because you could, should you have? We’re seeing the answers now.’”
“During its first 73 years, San Diego Metropolitan Credit Union never lost money on a real estate loan. That ended last year, when it wrote off $527,681 in bad real estate debt. The credit union also took a paper loss in 2007 as it bulked up reserves by more than $1 million.”
“Across the state and country, credit unions - generally considered the most conservative of lenders - are seeing a rise in delinquent mortgages, late credit card payments and late auto loan payments.”
“Marla Shepard, CEO of California Coast Credit Union, is also seeing fallout from overextended consumers. ‘About 40 percent of our repos in the last couple of months are from members who brought in their cars keys,’ Shepard said. ‘They’re saying, ‘You take the gas guzzler. I’ll keep the Toyota.’”
“‘We also are seeing - and I’m hearing this elsewhere, too - a significant increase in the number of bankruptcies. What’s a little concerning is some of these members filing for bankruptcy are not delinquent yet’ on their loans with California Coast.”
‘Shepard is in the process of merging First Future Credit Union, which had a lot of auto loans, with California Coast, which focused on real estate and home equity lines of credit. Because of the merger, the credit union is still evaluating how much more it will need to set aside in reserves.”
“‘We’re having a tough time identifying how bad it’s going to be,’ Shepard said. ‘You have people who are not delinquent filing for bankruptcy and people who are not delinquent turning in their car keys.’”
“Before August 2007, nearly 40 percent of Southern California sales were financed with jumbo loans, according to DataQuick Information Systems. In July, jumbos accounted for only about 16 percent of the region’s sales. Sales of high-end homes that require jumbo loans ‘have really dropped off’ in recent months, said Delores Conway, director, Casden Real Estate Economics Forecast at the University of Southern California.”
“During the recent housing boom, thousands of adjustable-rate mortgages were issued without verifying the borrower’s ability to repay them.”
“To get home loans today, consumers need to have ’skin in the game,’ said Ed Smith Jr., chairman of government affairs and industry relations for the association of mortgage brokers.”
“‘In the heyday, we were giving 100 percent financing to people one day out of bankruptcy,’ said Smith. ‘No wonder people walked away from their houses.’”
The LA Daily News. “Falling prices sent housing affordability soaring across California in the second quarter, the California Association of Realtors reported last week.”
“But this jump in affordability isn’t translating into a sales boom because the credit crunch that erupted a year ago is still with us. So while prices appear affordable, they really are not.”
“‘The lack of investor appetite for mortgage securities has forced the (home loan) originators to be a lot more conservative in their underwriting standards and that’s led to the drying up of credit despite the fact that interest rates are still at very low levels,’ said Nima Nattagh, an analyst at Lender Processing Services, a provider of mortgage services. ‘It’s more difficult to qualify for a mortgage.’”
“Robert Kleinhenz, the association’s deputy chief economist, said affordability and housing prices have retreated to levels last seen in 2003. What’s different? Sales.”
“For all of 2003, there were 601,770 sales. But in 2008, if the market matches the second-quarter pace for the entire year, there would be just 403,660 sales.”
“‘Getting their hands on a loan though the second quarter continued to be quite difficult,’ he said of the situation facing creditworthy buyers. ‘We typically take for granted that our financial sector is going to work smoothly and that money is going to be there for someone who is qualified to get a loan. That hasn’t been the case.’”
“The association’s index is based on first-time buyers getting a home equal to 85percent of the median price in their area and assumes a 10 percent down payment.”
“In Los Angeles County, the entry-level house cost $355,130 in the second quarter. To buy it, a family would need an annual income of $67,840. The monthly mortgage payment, including taxes and insurance, would be $2,260.”
“A year earlier, that house cost $504,080, the qualifying income level was $101,550 and the monthly payment was $3,380.”
“‘The whole mess in the financial sector is, in my view, an unusual constraint,’ Kleinhenz said. ‘It happens every 10 or 20 years but it’s atypical.’”
The New York Times. “Ellie Wooten, the likable mayor of this likable Central Valley city, is on her way to the office when her cellphone rings. A constituent wants her mortgage payments reduced, and is hoping that the mayor has some clout with her lender.”
“Although Merced has one of the highest foreclosure rates in the country, this borrower isn’t in such dire straits. She’s not even behind on her mortgage. But her oldest daughter is turning 18, which means an end to $500 a month in child support. She just wants a better deal.”
“The mayor hangs up and shrugs: ‘It’s a surprise her daughter is turning 18? You’d think she could have planned ahead.’”
“But hardly anyone in Merced planned very far ahead. Not the city, which enthusiastically approved the creation of dozens of new neighborhoods without pausing to wonder if it could absorb the growth.”
“Certainly not the developers. They built 4,397 new homes in those neighborhoods, some costing half a million dollars, without asking who in a city of only 80,000 could afford to buy them all.”
“And, sadly, not the local folk who moved up and took on more debt than they could afford. They believed - because who was telling them differently? - that the good times would be endless.”
“‘Owning a home is the American dream,’ says Jamie Schrole, a Merced real estate agent. ‘Everybody was just trying to live out their dream.’”
“In the three years since housing peaked here, the median sales price has fallen by 50 percent. There are thousands of foreclosures on the market. But almost no homeowner can afford to sell. If you cannot go as low as ‘the foreclosure price’ - the cost of a comparable bank-owned house - real estate agents say you might as well not even bother listing your home.”
“The boom here allowed some people to become rich overnight and gave many more the idea that they could do it, too. Ms. Schrole, a single mother of four, succumbed to temptation too late: she bought a home as an investment, sold her own home, bought a much more expensive one, and lost both. ‘I was stupid,’ she says. ‘I didn’t get in until things started to tank.’”
The San Francisco Chronicle. “It’s about the size of seven ping-pong tables - and all yours starting at $279,000. A San Francisco design and development firm has begun marketing 98 tiny condominiums - ranging from 250 to 350 square feet - at the Cubix Yerba Buena building in SoMa.”
“Architect George Hauser is the first to say the studios are too small for many people, families in particular. He and local planning groups, however, believe the so-called micro units represent one means of providing more first-time home-buying opportunities in a city where most prices outstrip most incomes.”
“‘It’s not the last place a person might own, but a great place to spend three to five years as a young single … to build equity and move up,”‘ said Hauser.”
“The kitchen area includes a mini sink, two-burner electric cooktop, half fridge and microwave-convection oven. The appliances are stainless steel; the countertop synthetic brown stone. There isn’t room for a bed and a sofa, so each studio is staged with a sofa-bed. They come with a wardrobe but no closets.”
“The units cost $279,000 to $330,000. (Monthly homeowners’ association dues are around $270.) By comparison, the median price for all homes in San Francisco was $749,000 in July, according to MDA DataQuick. Given the generally high cost, only 39.3 percent of city residents own their homes, the lowest level among the state’s counties, according to a California Budget Project report.”
“Projects like the Cubix aren’t the end-all solution to San Francisco’s affordability challenges, but do offer one answer for one part of the market, said Sarah Karlinksy, policy director at the San Francisco Planning and Urban Research Association.”
“‘What it’s doing is providing middle-income housing without a subsidy,’ she said. ‘It gives them a toehold.’”
The Marin Independent Journal. “When writing his recent book, ‘House Lust: America’s Obsession with Our Homes’, Dan McGinn sought real-life examples to combine with research to reveal why so many of us have turned a basic need - shelter - into an arms race for square footage and eye-popping digs.”
“I could have been his poster girl. Seriously, if I went to a 12-Step meeting for Home Improvers Anonymous, I would sound like this: Yes, I have over improved for the neighborhood. Yes, I’ve poured money into my home that I should have put it into a retirement account. Yes, I’ve gotten caught up in remodel fever and blown the construction budget to add something I really, really wanted even though I did not get that money back in the resale. Yes, in the face of home renovation, I am as powerless as a gambler at the track.”
“But McGinn didn’t need me. He found no shortage of subjects. Fortunately, McGinn doesn’t condemn people like me, but rather comments and commiserates. He’s one of us, which is why I kept turning the pages. I also wanted to know why Amazon kept partnering my book with his: ‘People who bought ‘The House Always Wins’ also bought ‘ Lust.’ I learned why.”
“He, being much deeper than I am, also ponders why yesterday’s luxuries - two dishwashers, home gyms, nanny rooms, massage rooms, rooms for potting plants and gift wrapping, stereo systems for swimming pools, life-size stages for kids’ theater productions - have become today’s necessities.”
“(Answer: ego, ‘I’ve arrived and deserve it’; competition, ‘I must keep up with the Joneses’; and greed, ‘I’ll get the investment back and more on the resale.’) Which begins to explain why some people would sell a kidney to get granite countertops.”
“When I called him at his Newsweek office, he said, ‘During the boom, we got into the trading up mentality. People thought, ‘Our house is up 30 percent; let’s cash in and move up.’”
“I squirmed recalling how five years ago, I sold my Southern California house, which had appreciated nicely in the seven years I’d owned it, and bought a bigger house on more land in Colorado for less money. ‘We lived through a housing period where it was raining money. Only an idiot wouldn’t have put a bucket outside to catch some.’ (At least he doesn’t think I’m an idiot.)”
“‘Are you saying we need to stop lusting?’ I asked nervously. Absolutely not, he assured. (Whew!) We just need to lust more intelligently.”
“A healthier attitude, McGinn says: ‘Living through an era when we thought our homes may make us rich has resulted in a permanent shift in thinking - one that will leave many of us happily obsessed with houses for years to come.’”
“All the wiser, McGinn concedes, ‘As for me, my obsession remains largely intact.’ Ditto.”
Yet the CA guys still think they can build their way out of a bubble:
‘The Bee’s editorial “Has council forgotten the Village I shortfall?” (Aug. 14, Page B-6) missed the mark concerning the city of Modesto’s efforts to work with home builders to get this important sector of the economy back on track.’
‘The California Building Industry Association is indeed “pushing statewide for cities and counties to defer the collection of impact fees” to help jump-start the housing industry. And the Legislature agreed that this is an important issue by unanimously passing legislation that encourages fee deferrals.’
‘Typically, a builder begins construction on a new home when a buyer has signed a purchase agreement. But today, up to 60 percent of contracts are canceled, adding further economic stress to an industry already battered by the housing downturn.’
‘By deferring fees that average $50,000 or more per home, cities can reduce the risk, make construction financing easier and encourage home building. That benefits local governments by putting people to work and generating increased taxes and revenues.’
ROBERT RIVINIUS
president and CEO,
California Building Industry Association
As if Modesto or any other over-built burb in California needs anymore new houses, anyway?
It’s finally here, pay your mortgage with your credit card, fast, convienient:
https://www.chargesmart.com/
Ah, yes, and with the overused marketing term “smart” as a hook in there as well.
chargesmart.com
the company name is “change smart”
the company business is “changes mart”
please, sign up to get charged!
“By deferring fees that average $50,000 or more per home”
What? Is that a misprint?
This is a joke.And these dumb@sses wonder why people cannot afford homes.These elected officials are totally screwing people as they make over 100k / year to sit on their @ss and collect fees.
No misprint. Saw one city with $75k in fees…~20% of today’s value.
The city of Yucaipa charges $60000 in fees to build. In pre bubble you could buy a house with 1 acre of land for $75000. Were doomed to become another Moreno Valley/Perris.
Somebody has to pay for it. You can have the builder pay the city fees, or you can have the city or county rule that all new developments have HOAs. Or you can raise everybody’s taxes to pay for the improvements and amenities in the new development. What would you rather have happen?
My definition of “deferred” means someone will be paying the fees at a later date. At $50,000 that could make a significant jump in a mortgage payment at a later date.
Why should the taxpayers subsidise the builders more? We’ve got too many homes on the market. We don’t need more building and more foreclosures for Casey Serin to buy.
This looks like something you might enjoy, Ben:
Wallick & Volk and Century 21 Associates are offering a free seminar on Why It Still Makes Sense to Buy versus Rent, The Housing Bubble and Media Myths and Industry Facts.
In this seminar you will learn: The true cost of renting, The tax advantage of home ownership, How to overcome the fear of purchasing a home, The true facts about the housing bubble, What truly affects the growth of the housing industry, and How to increase your credit score 100 points in 45 days.
Additionally, attend this FREE seminar to receive a complimentary purchase analysis and homebuyers kit.
Seminar will be held on Saturday, September 27, 2008 at 10:00 a.m. Location of seminar is the Century 21 Associates office located at 24 West Route 66, Flagstaff, AZ 86001.
maybe this seminar needs some housing bubble posters to stage an intervention.
Yes, please build more homes quickly. The more homes are build, the lower the prices are going.
Fear & Loathing & Lost Wages, A Savage Journey To The Heart Of The American Dream
“They’ve already lost equity in their homes, and now they may be facing the loss of jobs - further shaking the foundations that once supported discretionary splurges. ‘It is a question: What is the American dream?’ Manning said. ‘And does it mean just because you could, should you have? We’re seeing the answers now.’
I only wish these people would have bought more stuff that I could actually use. A lot of the stuff they bought is absolutely useless to me at any price.
Lol.
I can just see you looking down at them from atop your stash of cash. They’re offering you a deal on their $65,000 outdoor kitchen / dining area and a closetful of $500 pointy-toed stilettos and clunky $5,000 handbags. And you’re holding out for power tools, a good hybrid vehicle, a nice commuter bike (or whatever…)
The set-up for most any Californian that owned a house before 2002 was so simple…
Sell your house sometime during the bubble of 2002-07 for between $600k and a million or 2, and relocate yourself to cheaper digs, in or out of state. Pocket so much money after paying off your $150k house purchase in the hinterlands, that you can retire, and goof off the rest of your life.
But Wait!
There’s more:
A tax-free windfall up to $250k/500k was yours, as well
But so very few people took the bait, and got out of dodge…
Alad:
Lots of people took the bait…..they got their windfall, but then they went out and bought a more expensive house. easy come easy go….
so very few people took the bait ??
Maybe as a percentage yes but I have seen more people that I can count over the last 7 years or so that did just that…I would say most went to Oregon and Nevada with a few going to Ar. & Tx…A high percentage of them Goverment or muni retirees or Retired teachers…
Yes, and driving prices here in Oregon beyond the reach of most working people. I used to drive through Portland looking up at the houses on the hills and wonder just how many doctors and lawyers there could possibly be. It’s the same in Salem, Eugene, and Ashland, going South down I5. Ugh.
You forgot Utah, here in St George prices doubled in that time period. This area is awash in early retirees that did just that. Most also became real-a-whores and now cant stop drinking their own Koolaid. Like Nero they dance and sing while Rome burns. The ones that are going to get burned to most are those that moved here and brought children.
These kids have never wanted or worked for anything. Now as the money trees (parents) have been striped bare. They are seeing how much work it takes to survive and are a little pissed that it is what it is. Many still think that tomorrow it will get better and dont see that they are screwed.
With the overall debt that this country is under most 20 year old will never see a lifestyle like there parents had. Those babyboomer crickets ate all the grain now we ants have to work and save. The goverments overall plan has broken and now the world will bring us down to there level.
Aladinsane,
It’s not so easy as it looks. For one, not every community has the jobs Californians can do or need done. How many communities have pet therapists, coffee advisors, and aura-therapists? As the song says–you can check out, but you can never leave.
(Integrity alert–I live in California)
IAT
I did this. I sold a tiny box in San Jose in May 2006, took the cash, and retired early here in Boise. Most of my friends thought I was crazy: “why don’t you just move-up to a fancier place here in Los Gatos/Saratoga?”
My ex in LA back in 2005 knew a software engineer who sold his LA home and bought a $150,000 house in Boise and decided to work at Wal-Mart up there for $10 per hour instead of go back into software. Not sure how much her friend sold his El Lay home for.
like that movie -office space”?
Maybe in a year or so you could indeed take your friends advice and “just move-up to a fancier place here in Los Gatos/Saratoga”.
And pay cash for it.
House in hinterlands has not been $150K since 2002 or so. Ben has had some great posts from Plumas Newspaper recently, average house (per realtor) $450K-500K. In Chester, near Lake Almanor. In 2006, (old) trailer in Walker, CA, asking price 400K.
This is what you get in the hinterlands for 150K.
$150,000
1 Bed, 1 Bath
550 Sq. Ft.
Year Built: 1940
Chester, CA 96020
That’s right where Missoula, MT is too. A rising tide…
in Orange County, CA (one of the most expensive counties in the nation) you can get a 1 bedroom / 1 bath approx. 800sf place in Laguna Woods (a so called active senior retirement community) in south Orange County for $90,000 to $110,000. 2 Bed / 2 bath 1,100sf place for $110,000 to $130,000.
Not fancy but great location. Lots of green space. And you don’t have to be retired to live there.
We did it. Cashed out of southern CA in 2006, but didn’t leave the state — we are leasing in the hinterlands of rural northern California. Our proceeds are still in the bank(s), while we wait for local sellers to capitulate (and boy, we’ve really seen values plummet over the last year).
It’s true that it’s a bit tough to manage this kind of move without retiring, though. Ive been fortunate to be able to transform my job to work well over the internet.
My folks did it. Bought a house worth 50% of the one they sold. They saw the writing on the wall and sold in 2004 before they found the next home.
Don’t forget about the ones that come back to pick over the toaster leavin’s. Spent a couple years in Utah with $400/month rent to sneak back in with my equity stash. Gonna go 2 for 2…I can feel it.
I did just that. Sold in Irvine,Ca at the top in Feb of 05 and just purchased a new,never been lived in custom home in Prescott,Az for much ,much left for cash and will retire in about 3 years!
Love it!
“‘We’re having a tough time identifying how bad it’s going to be,’ Shepard said. ‘You have people who are not delinquent filing for bankruptcy and people who are not delinquent turning in their car keys.’”
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When people are so beaten down that they are giving up en masse, even though they aren’t yet under the watchful gaze of collection agencies, speaks volumes…
‘We’re having a tough time identifying how bad it’s going to be,’ Shepard said.
Ummm….”identifying”? Maybe the right word is “accepting”
Most people have no idea “how bad it’s going to be” in California. The unemployment rate in California is already 7.3%. What will happen to the job market and the tax base as home prices drop to levels at which mortgage payments will be less than rent? The median home price in California was $318,000 in July–it will be down to $225,000 by late 2010.
The current situation shows how building a state economy on government and real estate provides only the illusion of prosperity. As US companies increasingly shifted their footprints offshore, real estate related jobs masked what was happening. The housing bubble fueled by low interest rates and easy credit created a false prosperity. Now reality is beginning to hit, and it is hitting very hard.
Keep the popcorn popping,
Red Baron
When I moved to CA in 1992, I noticed some LA Times article naming all the largest employers in the county. Or maybe the state. Most of them were taxpayer-funded entities such as LAUSD. Your description of a “state economy based on government and real estate” is quite apt.
“As US companies increasingly shifted their footprints offshore, real estate related jobs masked what was happening.”
Exactly. I’m surprised that so little has been written about this — it’s like Invasion of the Body Snatchers; only in this case, it’s out with the good jobs, in with the bad ones. Hardly anyone noticed the gradual decay, but now that the bogus jobs based on RE, construction, and retail (candle shops, anyone?) are being revealed for what they are, we will take a much bigger job hit than any economist has envisioned.
I have a suggestion. It has always been my feeling NAR & CAR played a large responsibility for build up in RE prices because as we all know RE prices never ever go down especially in CA. Remember Gary Watson and David Liar?
Suggestion is. How about a 6 month moratorium or reduction of RE commission from 5%-6% to 2% on all homes. 1 to buying agent and 1 to selling agent.
This would be a great gesture to help sellers upside down looking for buyers and would help buyers looking to get into affordable housing.
And no I am not holding my breath for a Yun response
Doubt that will happen. The average real estate agent usually only gets about 1.5% from the sale anyway.If you are new and on a 50/50 split with you broker that will usually be the case.
Seller pays 6%
buyer broker = 3%
Seller broker=3%
broker and agent split 50/50 so each agent would really pocket 1500/ 100k sales price.
An agent could get lucky and get (double end) the listing and sell it too which would yield 3000 / 100k for the single agent.
That was an eye opener. Spoke with RE who confirmed that if they were the top 2 %then maybe they had an arrangement for a better than 50=50 split and then After the house got theirs…
The only ones that get major dollars are those guys on tv selling multi million dollar manses.
It’s one of the last bastions of legal organized crime. Hopefully the real estate agent will go the way of the travel agent and stock broker via companies like Redfin. Not to say that they never offer services of value, but if their wings are clipped by reasonable competition, then their commissions will have to become more competitive.
17 will get you $500, or 20 years.
“Although Merced has one of the highest foreclosure rates in the country, this borrower isn’t in such dire straits. She’s not even behind on her mortgage. But her oldest daughter is turning 18, which means an end to $500 a month in child support. She just wants a better deal.”
“The mayor hangs up and shrugs: ‘It’s a surprise her daughter is turning 18? You’d think she could have planned ahead.’”
What’s amusing is that this isn’t a surprise.
Its going to take a few hungry years to teach most Americans any prudence.
Got Popcorn?
Neil
My question is what was she doing with the $500 each month if she is concerned about losing it now?
Isn’t her daughter of an age to bring home at least that amount or on her way out the door?
“In Los Angeles County, the entry-level house cost $355,130 in the second quarter. To buy it, a family would need an annual income of $67,840. The monthly mortgage payment, including taxes and insurance, would be $2,260.”
Assuming 20% down and a loan at 4.2x gross income. So to purchase a tiny shack in LA, a first time home buyer just needs: (1) a better than median income, (2) $70k in the bank, (3) no current debt and (4) a lender willing to loan at 4.2x income. Why aren’t these houses flying off the shelf?!
Sounds like Watts or Compton prices. Make sure you’ve got wrought iron bars on your windows and doors as well as a ‘Dirty Harry’ with wad cutters under your pillow. Wonderful El Lay.
We eat our Jung…
“‘Owning a home is the American dream,’ says Jamie Schrole, a Merced real estate agent. ‘Everybody was just trying to live out their dream.’”
The American dream has morphed into the shackles or servitude, for many.
The power of compound interest is a beautiful thing, unless your on the paying side.
Jonesestown Mass-Financial-Suicide
“(Answer: ego, ‘I’ve arrived and deserve it’; competition, ‘I must keep up with the Joneses’; and greed, ‘I’ll get the investment back and more on the resale.’) Which begins to explain why some people would sell a kidney to get granite countertops.”
$280 K for a unit the size of my living room. Really.
Transient housing someday.
How much would it be for a furnished PODS? You could even stack them (the folks on top would need a ladder).
“‘It’s not the last place a person might own, but a great place to spend three to five years as a young single … to build equity and move up,”‘ said Hauser.”
Just how much “equity” does this moron think you can gain in five years. Downpayment is not “equity”, and the first five years of payments are mostly interest.
This “architect” (yeah right), must be counting on that 10-15% in the bag appreciation per year. With ammenities such as these does negitive-appreciation count as “equity”.
“The kitchen area includes a mini sink, two-burner electric cooktop, half fridge and microwave-convection oven. The appliances are stainless steel; the countertop synthetic brown stone. There isn’t room for a bed and a sofa, so each studio is staged with a sofa-bed. They come with a wardrobe but no closets.” And don’t forget to pay that $270 per month “SUCKERS”.
But think of the money you save on not being able to have any furniture.
And don’t forget Darwin. These places are so small the occupants won’t be able to breed. Good for the species.
I think this would work out to around 1800 a month in mortgage payment, plus another 300 or so in taxes & insurance. Plus the fees of 270.
Total, around 2400 monthly? That’s about 80.00 a day: for that, you could negotiate a monthly rate at a decent hotel, with maid service and a kitchen downstairs.
The room would be a little bigger, too.
One of our neighbors, after completing some further studies, has just moved back into the very nice garage apartment “bachelor pad” he had built behind his (rented out) house. When he decided to go back to school, he bought a 270 sq ft condo near campus. The mortgage for the condo was less than the rent he got for his garage apt (and the house rent paid the house / apt mortgage +). He had a short walk to the library, no TV, an austere place fit to live in but not to socialize - perfect for his needs at the time.
A year ago or so, when Austin was still in full bubble, he sold the little condo to a specuvestor. He made $60,000 on the deal and then rented another unit (or maybe the same one) for less than what the condo mortgage had been. He wasn’t a bubble believer - but he could see from the construction all around that are that there wasn’t going to be a dinky-condo shortage soon, and he was happy to get $60,000 while in school.
that are = that area
250 to 350 square feet ..
The units cost $279,000 to $330,000.
These are my kinda numbers.. no calculator needed.. easy on the brain.. ~$1,000 per square foot.
Okaaay so I can rent for 1600-1800 for two or three times the space at least, in San Fran and I want to buy one of these tiny crapboxes???? C’mon getta crip!
I’m assuming you meant to say “grip” instead of crip, but you are probably right in that you do get a “Crip” as a next-door neighbor.
“In Los Angeles County, the entry-level house cost $355,130 in the second quarter. To buy it, a family would need an annual income of $67,840. The monthly mortgage payment, including taxes and insurance, would be $2,260.”
What insane math are these people using? A family making $67K can afford a house worth $200K…tops!
The example given would have the owner paying 50% of their net monthly income to the mortgage payment. Throw in the other basic living expenses and I don’t see how they call it affordable.
More like 50+% of gross income
Someone making $67k would take home maybe $3500 a month with no retirement contributions, depending on how much they pay for health insurance.
How can they afford to put $2260 into the mortgage?
Ever heard of multiple credit cards? You are so behind the curve!
The route of all evil was paved with no intentions…
“‘In the heyday, we were giving 100 percent financing to people one day out of bankruptcy,’ said Smith. ‘No wonder people walked away from their houses.’”
“With paperwork in hand, Ashley Sparks set off in search of his newest target – a 2005 Winnebago motor home.
Sparks, an adjuster for ABA Recovery Service, found the vehicle on a well-manicured street in Point Loma, surrounded by homes nearing the million-dollar mark.
This was an easy one. The owner willingly handed over the keys, and Sparks’ partner drove off in the latest luxury item repossessed by the Grantville company. “
Million-dollar neighborhood “Paddy repos” are too easy. How about the author spend an evening with an Adjuster who does the ghetto zip-codes; let’s share how the grateful folks on social help react to losing their toyz!
Went bike riding through a really nice part of Roseville (outside Sacramento) a few weeks ago, starting to become a regular occurrence to see for sale flyers with the original price scratched out, and a new “improved” price hand written underneath. That will never get old.
Prices have come down pretty significantly around Placer County, not enough IMO, but nice to see the drop in the quality areas (Granite Bay adj)
The problem is that anyone who could afford to buy doesn’t want to live in crapville counties like Placer.
“‘We’re having a tough time identifying how bad it’s going to be,’ Shepard said. ‘You have people who are not delinquent filing for bankruptcy and people who are not delinquent turning in their car keys.’”
You have ordinary consumers who can see the handwriting on the wall more clearly than bankers who are still walking around with their heads in a bubble of denial.
Mental delinquents & Moral delinquents
Hey, who could have foreseen that they would go into foreclosure?
After all, FHA is insuring the loan.
‘House Lust: America’s Obsession with Our Homes’….
“‘Are you saying we need to stop lusting?’ I asked nervously. Absolutely not, he assured. (Whew!) We just need to lust more intelligently.”
Blame it all on the first of the 7 deadly sins? Lust?
(superbia, avaritia, luxuria, invidia, gula, ira, acedia.)
Lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy, and pride.
Gluttony, greed, envy and pride were equally applicable, imo. Sloth and wrath probably had their share of shining moments as well.
Overheard at a local bar:
“‘Are you saying we need to stop drinking?’ I asked nervously. Absolutely not, he assured. (Whew!) We just need to drink more intelligently.”
(I also posted these details a couple of days back, but the post seems to have been eaten.)
Per DataQuick via Lansner:
Median SFH Sale Price for OC for 22 business days ending 28th July - $525,000.
Median SFH Sale Price for OC for 22 business days ending 6th August - $505,000.
So what sort of prices did the first week in August have, to pull a (roughly) monthly moving average down by $20K?
It will be very interesting to see the numbers later this week for the 22 business days ending 13th August. To me it seems possible that, for whatever reason (sales mix?, foreclosures?, job losses?), the median price for safer-than-condo SFH’s in it-won’t-happen-here Orange County is right now undergoing another MAJOR break downwards.
(The “new construction” prices showed an even bigger weekly decline, over $50K in fact, but I would suggest that sales mix is the main factor there since the number includes both SFH’s and Condo’s.)
>> If you cannot go as low as ‘the foreclosure price’ - the cost of a comparable bank-owned house - real estate agents say you might as well not even bother listing your home.”
Ooooooooohhhhh… . Is that how things in RE aren’t “contained” to only just troubled mortgages?
Well, if anyone wants to trade down and live in a nice area of Southern Tier, western NY State, you can get my Mom’s house, a 3/4 acre pond, 3.5 acres in a private setting near town for $89,000.
No kidding. Lang Agency, Alfred.
I know this is a RE ad, Ben might want to erase it, but it is an actual example of affordability relevant to this discussion…
lots of places you can live for under 150k
NY is free house PLUS TAXES
any countries NOT rescuing their banks ?
MAY ?
SWZ - sht , I thought the Swiss were on the ball
And this says it all:
“‘In the heyday, we were giving 100 percent financing to people one day out of bankruptcy,’ said Smith. ‘No wonder people walked away from their houses.’”
When the history texts will write about this period they will mention the collective insanity.
Ah more insanity:
“The boom here allowed some people to become rich overnight and gave many more the idea that they could do it, too. Ms. Schrole, a single mother of four, succumbed to temptation too late: she bought a home as an investment, sold her own home, bought a much more expensive one, and lost both. ‘I was stupid,’ she says. ‘I didn’t get in until things started to tank.’”
What is a single mother of four “investing in real estate” when she can barely feed her own kids? The bubble of course!
The San Francisco Chronicle. “It’s about the size of seven ping-pong tables - and all yours starting at $279,000. A San Francisco design and development firm has begun marketing 98 tiny condominiums - ranging from 250 to 350 square feet - at the Cubix Yerba Buena building in SoMa.”
is there room for the ping pong table? i laughed because i have a micro refridge in my month to month place and they really are useless. i can’t imagine paying that amount to live like a rat, whats next those business hotels in tokyo where all you get is a 4X4X10 foot box to sleep in. maybe they could save space and sell those for 50k?