They’re Not Popping Like They Use To
A report from Florida Today. “In today’s tough housing market, sometimes it takes some creative thinking to sell your house. Scott Bernard is having a picture-coloring contest and giving away his house in Sebastian to the winner — sort of. Each person who enters the contest pays a $49 entry fee. Bernard needs at least 5,400 people to enter the contest to raise enough money to pay off what he owes on the mortgage.”
“‘This was the only positive way I could come up with to sell the property,’ he said.”
“Bernard, like many people who bought homes before the housing market soured, said he could not sell his house for what he owes on it. He bought the 1,500-square-foot, three-bedroom, one-bathroom house in July 2005 for $217,000. But today, the house, built in 1957, has an estimated value of $140,000.”
“‘I bought it at the peak of the market,’ he said.”
“He’s not the first to try a unique approach to unload property in Florida’s struggling housing market. An effort this spring by St. Cloud developer Chris Wardlow to raffle off two houses fizzled with just a few dozen $250 tickets sold, well short of the 5,000 needed for him to recoup his costs and give some money to charity.”
“Merritt Island resident Dale Schamp used a buy-one-get-one-free deal earlier this year to try to sell his beach house, offering a second, smaller house on Merritt Island for free. The result: no sale.”
“‘We had tons of calls and publicity about it, but it was all to no avail. It’s just the market,’ Becker said. ‘Nobody made an offer.’”
The Bradenton Herald from Florida. “Gil Pearce’s perfectly groomed Summerfield Glen home is sandwiched between two vacant houses, one with cut screens and a wide open patio door, and the other with a ‘For Sale’ sign and an unkempt lawn. Pearce’s case is not unusual.”
“There are 35 homes currently vacant due to foreclosure or other reasons among the 1,800 homes in Summerfield and Riverwalk, said Alan Roth, chairman of the safety awareness committee for the Summerfield/Riverwalk Village Association.”
“Roth estimates that at least 60 to 70 homes are vacant because of foreclosures in all of Lakewood Ranch. He thinks that might be conservative. Every Summerfield and Riverwalk neighborhood, including the upscale Ridge, has vacancies, Roth said.”
“‘There are even foreclosures and empty houses in Country Club,’ Roth said. ‘Greenbrook probably has more than anyone.’”
The Miami Herald from Florida. “Thanks to the housing slump, professional couple Gladys and Raul Castillo finally found homes they could afford — new condo units in foreclosure within walking and biking distance of their jobs in Miami’s Brickell financial district.”
“They also had the credit record to meet lenders’ standards. But they couldn’t land an actual loan. ‘Almost all of them want 20 percent,’ said Gladys Castillo, speaking of lenders they had approached. The Castillos had saved only 10 percent, and lenders were loath to get into units in buildings rife with foreclosures.”
“So the couple have stopped searching while they save for a bigger down payment.”
“‘In areas like Brickell or the Biscayne corridor, there is no way to get a loan unless a borrower is willing to put 30 or 40 percent down,’ said William Zalaquett, a Realtor who specializes in the area.”
“Even wealthy individuals needing financing are having a tough time, said Alex Doce, president of Baron Mortgage, a lender with an office in Miami.”
“‘Right now, I have a couple of $4 million and $5 million loans, and it’s a nightmare to try and finance these people who have high net worth. The few people that were buying these loans, like Indymac, have gone out of business or don’t have the capital to lend,’ Doce said.”
The Atlanta Journal Constitution from Georgia. “Prospective homebuyers are pondering whether prices have hit rock bottom, so the housing industry is trying to create a sense of urgency. How? By touting the new $7,500 refundable tax credit contained in the massive housing-stimulus bill President Bush signed last month. The credit expires July 1.”
“Realtors, builders and lenders wearing ‘Buy Now!’ stickers gathered on the Capitol steps Wednesday at a rally to promote the incentive. Beazer Homes, the beleaguered Atlanta-based homebuilder, held an online seminar last week to do the same thing.”
“‘You will never see a better opportunity than the opportunity before us right now,’ U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson said, standing before an umbrella-toting crowd.”
The Birmingham News from Alabama. “Some Birmingham mortgage professionals say they are experiencing a drop in mortgage applications, reflecting a national trend. Bill May, president of Accent Mortgage, said the number of applicants seeking mortgages from his firm is down significantly from a year ago and that others in the industry are experiencing similar drops. He said national media coverage of the housing market is scaring away potential homebuyers.”
“In addition, May blames fallout from recently approved federal legislation that prohibits loan down-payment assistance from nonprofits.”
“‘The housing industry is really struggling right now,’ said May, past president of Alabama Mortgage Brokers Association. ‘Realtors are having problems selling houses. Many builders are sweating every day because properties aren’t moving.’”
“Grayson Glaze, executive director of Alabama Center for Real Estate, said there is a reason for the decline - bad economic news in the housing sector. ‘The last two months of weekly mortgage application activity have revealed a mixed bag but with a common denominator - a significant decline in volume when compared to its prior year,’ he said.”
The Tuscaloosa News from Alabama. “A Mississippi-based developer is going ahead with plans to build an estimated $110 million hotel and condo tower next to Bryant-Denny Stadium, leaving land owned by the University of Alabama out of the project - for now.”
“Spectrum Capital wants to sell the 250 rooms, ranging from 450 square feet to 1,100 square feet, with a concept similar to beach condo hotels. With prices starting near $200,000, owners don’t have to put their rooms in the hotel rotation, but the practice will be encouraged, according to documents.”
“Spectrum also plans to build a tower with 65 condominium units, with an average size of more than 1,500 square feet. Starting at $500,000, Spectrum plans to market these primarily to baby boomers looking for a second home, likely Crimson Tide fans or those with connections to the university, according to planning commission documents.”
“UA spokeswoman Cathy Andreen didn’t offer any new details on when UA would award the development of its lot, and city planning director Bill Snowden said he has not heard either. ‘It’s got to be developed,’ he said. ‘It’s just too valuable to sit there as a parking lot.’”
The Daily Journal from Mississippi. “At a recent open house, a band played while attendees snacked on pork tenderloin, all the while admiring the views inside and out of the 8,000-square-foot home. Custom built four years ago, the Louisiana plantation-style home is for sale for almost $2 million, an unheard-of asking price for a home in Northeast Mississippi just a few years ago.”
“The home is among 52 area homes on the Multiple Listing Service for sale for $500,000 or more.”
“Area real estate agents say while there’s a growing list of sellers of these homes, more buyers are entering the market, too, despite some of the woes in the housing industry going on in other parts of the country.”
“‘If you look at the last two years, it’s really not much different now,’ said Jason Warren of Prudential Magnolia Realty in Tupelo. ‘We’re in a market that’s continued to grow.’”
“Brenda Spencer of Tommy Morgan Coldwell Banker is hoping to sell the home that’s in The Summit. Spencer, who has been in the real estate business for 31 years, said the first $1 million home to be listed for sale in Tupelo happened about three years ago.”
“‘It’s not that there weren’t any homes that weren’t worth that much, because there were,’ she said. ‘It’s just that people had built them. Appraisers really didn’t have anything to compare them to; nothing had ever sold for that much.’”
“But as some of these homes came on the market, a benchmark was established, and several $1 million homes have been sold since then.”
And several are on the market today. Of the 52 homes selling for $500,000 or more, seven are listed for at least $1 million. Topping the list is a 12,380-square-foot, five bedroom, 6 1/2 bath mansion sitting on 40 acres in Booneville. The selling price: $3.9 million.”
The Tri-Parish Times from Lousiana. “Luxury home market sales in Terrebonne and Lafourche have taken a slight decline over the past year, according to developers and realtors. However, luxury home prices have not fallen locally as they have in most American cities.”
“‘Anything under $200,000 is doing well right now,’ said V.J. Caro of V.J. Caro Jr. Building Contractors Inc. “Anything above has slowed down, but the prices haven’t dropped.’”
“The beginning cost for what defines a ‘luxury’ home depends on who one asks. Some start at $300,000, others say $500,000. Either way, the definition of luxury hime has changed significantly.”
“‘Higher-end today is no longer $250,000. Especially in this market, $350,000 has become the new starter home,’ said Mona Martin Christen, owner/broker of Mona & Company, Inc.”
“Industry professionals have various opinions as to why the market has soften recently. One major concern is the coverage of the national housing market slowdown effecting how people view the local market.”
“‘People have gotten nervous about buying because of the hype on TV,’ said Christen. ‘Louisiana is not suffering nearly as much the national media is reporting. We have barely been affected. We haven’t had nearly the number of foreclosures or loan failures. It’s unreal how Louisiana has floated to the top this time around.’”
“Another problem is the crackdown on certain lending practices has made mortage companies more cautious about whom they lend money.”
“‘For a long while many of the mortgage companies were doing 100 percent financing with no money down. That’s all gone now,’ Randolph A. Bazet, III co-owner of Bazet Reality & Associates, Inc. ‘Unless you have money to put down or have a substantial credit score, it’s going to be difficult to finance the purchase of a higher-end home.’”
“‘Zero-down lending created an artificial market called the mid-market,’ said Joey Esso, co-owner of The Wood Doctor. ‘Ten years ago, once you got past $300,000, that was a custom unit. Now that’s moved up to $500,000 and a $200,000 to $400,000 unit became a spec house. That was artificial created by a miracle of financing.’”
“As long as the local economy does well, contractors and realtors are confident the luxury home market will stay strong. They see the recent sales decline as a minor hiccup and not a sign of trouble ahead.’
“‘It’s just a little slow down in sales. They’re not popping like they use to,’ Christen said. ‘I remain optimistic though.’”
“Realtors, builders and lenders wearing ‘Buy Now!’ stickers gathered on the Capitol steps Wednesday at a rally to promote the incentive. Beazer Homes, the beleaguered Atlanta-based homebuilder, held an online seminar last week to do the same thing.”
How could any adult with an ounce of dignity ever do something like this? I know they are Realtors but still…
It’s like watching these conventions and seeing sheep holding up signs and screaming like mindless drones. And people still wonder how a group like Adolf and the Boys could have come into power. Just turn on your TV set tonight and you will see how easy it is to get sheep to act like sheep. You will never see me in such a crowd. I have way too much dignity. Sadly, there are so few around that can say the same.
Just turn on your TV set tonight and you will see how easy it is to get sheep to act like sheep.
Yeah, no way that couldn’t happen at the Republican convention, right? I mean, all those Republican delegates are intelligent, staunch, free-thinking individualists. No way they’d ever be swayed by cheap demagoguery, maudlin theatrics or empty promises. (*chuckle, chuckle, snort*…)
The two parties in our two party system are one and the same.
Two sides of the same one party system.
All the sheep are clueless, regardless of which party’s wool they are wearing.
It’s like watching these conventions and seeing sheep holding up signs and screaming
Come baaaack home buyers.
Now is a great time to put on your sheep outfit and buy a house so you too can be upside down!
Follow the herd to financial ruins, listen to the other sheep!
Obama has surrounded himself with people like Joe Biden, who was one of biggest cheerleaders in congress for Iraq War, and Zbigniew Brzezinski, who wrote in his book The Grand Chessboard, that the top priority for the U.S. was seizing control of Eurasia and its rich oil resources.
Obama’s message is not one of change. It is one of unadulterated bullsh** and lies.
I am tired of politicians that treat everybody as a victim and I don’t think he will be any different. “Those poor people. We need to keep them in their homes.” As much as I want to like him, I can’t. But I see nothing in that other guy to like either. There is no choice other than more bad leadership.
B.O. Blew his “change” wad when he picked comb over Joe. He’s been swimming around in the D.C. cesspool for 38 years. Same shit, different day.
I can’t wait for the Republicant convention, where they will claim that the only way out of Iraq is to get even more involved, and that Herr Bush’s foreign policy has been too entrenched to deviate from now (they’ve been saying that every week since 2001).
Foureight more years!You can shear a sheep repeatedly, but you can only slaughter it once…
Stay tuned….
“Bernard needs at least 5,400 people to enter the contest”
We’ve had essay contests on the OR coast so why not a coloring contest in FL? I can see if this were a charity or some sort of a fundraiser etc. but this simply should not be allowed to happen.
It may seem trivial but a lot of “The 5,400″ have no business shelling out $49! There has got to be legal issues here. Why can’t I just go and start my ‘own’ lottery? Aside from smacking of desperation if there isn’t a law against every T,D&H from starting their own “Bail My @$$ Out Contest” ( there sure should be )
There’s nothing wrong with it, unless he doesn’t refund the money if he doesn’t get enough entries to proceed with the contest. Playing the lottery is no different than what a bunch of housing speculators were doing circa 2005. At least he is openly admitting it.
There’s nothing wrong unless the Florida Real Estate Commission considers this a “raffle”.
A few years back, they made it illegal to come up with raffle schemes as a way to sell real property.
That may have changed, but i doubt it.
dio,
We checked in OR and there are all KINDS of reulations and stipulations. I think that’s part of the reason these guys take the warm & fuzzy approach? Poor, poor pitiful me. Aw… cut the guy some slack.
O.K, now that I’ve gotten out from under crushing debt load.. how about setting up a little sports action? Again, charities yes, private parties..? That’s pushing it.
NoSingleOne,
True, no difference in virtually all of those cases. Can you imagine what this mess would have been like had say for instance a state the size of Texas been involved in the bubble as well!?
I don’t follow their market all that closely and I”M SURE there are overpriced homes there somewhere but we’ll be lucky to survive this thing with our skin. Sure we get stories from around the country about this failed project or backwater FB but I don’t think we would have a hope in the world had a state the pop. of TX had jumped in “the boom” with both feet.
Texas has prohibitively high property taxes which keep prices below the national average. Mine are almost $4k on a $150k house for example.
And in many ‘luxury’ neighbourhoods, you have to pay 1-3% of your sales price to the school district when you sell.
The_Overdog,
4k on 150k!? Wow, steep even by an Oregonian’s standards! I’m not sure how big a factor the “luxury” transaction tax is?
I was just trying to get my mind wrapped around what a debacle this would be if a Texas town were inserted in between every CA town that starts with an “M” for foreclosures!?
There’s nothing wrong with it, unless he doesn’t refund the money
But that is not the Florida way, where every con artist comes to rip off the residents!
H5400 x $49 = $264,600.
yet, he bought it in 2005 for $217,000.
Why does he need an extra $47,600K “to pay off what he owes on the mortgage?” $47K is a lot to pay for crayons.
Serial heloc-er, I wager.
That, I think, is one of the untold stories of this housing bubble. Not only did speculators buy new houses or extra houses during the bubble, lots of people HELOC’d the homes they’ve been living in for years. They took their safe fixed mortgage they’d been paying for years, and effectively re-bought their home with a Ninja loan. And the neighbors would never know it until they saw the Escalade in the driveway.
oxide,
I didn’t catch that ‘little’ detail there? Or perhaps he just thought he rated it for coming up with such a clever idea?
All that aside you’re delivering the brand of logic I’ve come to expect from you. Yes, exactly, “extra houses”… for people of modest employment, means and education. Of course, why not? Not only have they managed to re-buy their home they’ve established an entirely ‘new’ and rather fragile cost basis!
Way to GO!
Oh well, thanks, but I didin’t mean to connect serial HELOC-ing directly with speculating on houses. Yes, there were California equity locusts driving the bubble into Bend, but there were also LOT of people who never bought anything new, or extra, or speculated in any way.
Their only action in this bubble was to re-buy their one home at a higher price in order to get immediate cash. I don’t have much sympathy for those who bought vacations and toys. But what about the people who just needed a quick shot to pay normal bills, like junior’s college or stray root canals, or to fix the porch, leftover CC debt, old taxes, something modest? These are the people, I think, that Congress wanted to help.
If they need the HELOC to maintain the porch they couldn’t afford the house to begin with.
What about the lottery laws? I’m sure he is saying that this isn’t merely a game of chance, but if it walks like a duck…
Fla. Stat. 849.09.
“Realtors, builders and lenders wearing ‘Buy Now!’ stickers gathered on the Capitol steps Wednesday at a rally to promote the incentive. ”
What a sad, pathetic sight that must have been. I hope someone has pictures!
If only us HBBers could have organized a counter-protest complete with “Buy now or be priced out forever!”, “Real estate values double every 10 years!”, and “Renters are suckers!” signs.
‘What a sad, pathetic sight that must have been. I hope someone has pictures!’
Sad and pathetic?! Nohow! A delightful, enthralling, and vastly amusing sight, you mean. Why was no one standing there rocking back and forth with hearty laughter? And then someone else could run up to the gathering of piggies and shout, ‘Hey! I need to buy a house right away! Can someone help me out? Please, please!’ They have a nice suit on and dollars poking out of their pockets. But here’s the trick–this enticing buyer is secretly a long-distance marathoner, in disguise! Let’s call him ‘Enticing Buyer Chad’, for illustrative purposes. And then this ‘Chad’ guy takes off running, with the dollars fluttering madly but not falling out because they’ve been cleverly stapled into his suit pockets, see, and THEN we see how long and how far and how diligently the horde of piggies-people chases ‘Chad’!
Like a contest! Every now and then the ‘Enticing Buyer Chad’ would let a dollar slip down, as encouragement to the desperate trampling horde of following piggies-people.
I mean, goshamighty! I’d pay a TON to see that, and to place bets on the various aspects of the race: how many REtard ankles in high-heels are snapped like twigs, who gets trampled first, how long the race lasts, who sweats their ‘Buy Now’ sticker off first, and so forth. The winner, whoever manages to tackle ‘Enticing Buyer Chad’, or whoever lasts an hour in high-heels and with their ‘Buy Now’ sticker still on them, those diligent piggies get a…get a…hmmmm.
How about a Twinkie? Does that sound like a good reward? Plus any dollars they’ve managed to fight for off the sidewalk behind ‘Chad. And an encouraging talk about ‘just hang in there, the market’s bound to turn.’
Huh? Huh? Yeah! Now, admit it, fellow HBBers. This is clearly going to be one of my Extra Good Idea Days. I can just feel it.
Those stickers are similar to the ones that should be made up for new home buyers who actually close, “Oops, I F**ked myself on that one.”
Bad Andy, you are also having an Extra Good Idea Day, I see.
Those good ideas are why they pay me the big bucks! I’m going to try to get a job as a consultant to NAR and FAR.
What stuns me about this campaign is that, in Florida, people who bought with the encouragement of realtors with 20% down just twelve months ago are already underwater. This reminds me of Lucy perpetually yanking the football away from Charlie Brown, or of the mythological sirens luring sailors to their deaths. If I was a politician I wouldn’t want to be seen anywhere near real estate people, but they are powerful donors and I understand that is how our system works.
I like this. You should market this Andy. You could become the next “smiley face” millionaire.
Florida 2000: Hanging Chads
Florida 2008: Hanging Chads
It would be great to have a counter-demonstration. Perhaps an Abbie-Hoffman style protest where we through a bunch of $1 bills into the flock of Realtors and watch them tackle each other for the money.
Why all the gimmicks; just lower the price, it will sell, even in a “bad” housing market.
30-40% down for condos in Miami? I know someone who just bought a West Palm condo with 5% down, so I think that there’s some literary privilege being used here; I think you can get a loan, still, even in Miami for a condo, with less then 20% down. It’s not as easy, but they are out there.
However, even 10% down, when coming from -10% down (meaning you get a 10% kickback at close) is a massive change. When there is NO way to buy a home with <20% down, then we can safely start to call bottoms. Until then, we all just watch this trainwreck in slo-mo!
Gimmicks sell. Look at the Kia dealers who gave away a Rio when you bought one of their mini-vans. I have plenty of clients who now have 2 kias on their policy.
Michael,
I have to agree. Properly priced, the lender shouldn’t have issue (1) with a 10% down? Just to be clear here, “I” don’t happen to think that on a case by case basis lenders should necessarily reject 100% financing out of hand.
Someone just coming off a divorce that’s been cleand out ( but is a professional w/ a great income ) and I’m sure a lot of you can think of scenarios where it wouldn’t be an issue?
Where we ran into problems is when we sculpted ‘everyone’s’ behavior to the point where they felt down payments were no longer required! Further a lot of people don’t seem to understand how say for instance a VA loan works? It was the banks themselves that decided no loan guarantee was necessary.
cleaned?
Miami-Dade county has more than 10% of the mortgage fraud in the entire USA. Lenders have no choice but to protect themselves by adding this risk premium to all mortgage requirements. Even if their customer is on the level, the chances that their customer’s neighbors will have received their mortgage fraudulently is great. This all puts tremendous downward pressure on prices. I predict that real-estate sales prices will shoot way below “fair value” in Miami-Dade, as fraud will make it less and less likey that lenders will lend there.
They want 30% or 40% down?
Here’s the problem. They know that if someone buys in a building with foreclosures, the common area costs and building deterioration will drag even responsible borrowers down.
You can’t buy a condo. You have to buy the whole building. What they need is meetup clubs to make an offer on the whole thing.
Something that many don’t understand. It is going to make the drops in condo prices worse than SFHs.
In the “gated communites” common in Florida, the HOAs dues pay to maintain the roads inside the gate. (The counties actually mandate these HOAs to keep their costs down.) Guess what happens when half the people aren’t paying their dues? The other half has to pay 2x (or do without road repair.)
My guess is once a certain percentage aren’t paying, then the rest won’t pay either, because of the unfairness.
Any HOA community will deteriorate faster with the bubble-bursting than the non-HOA ones
“Any HOA community will deteriorate faster with the bubble-bursting than the non-HOA ones.”
I agree. Our HOA went up $10 this year to make up for the people not paying. I can’t imagine what they have in store for us this November at the budget meeting.
Check your bylaws and see if the HOA has the right to force a sale of properties that are in arrears on their dues. Find out the rules (time in arrears, etc) and insist they be enforced at the next HOA meeting. If they refuse then either threaten or actually stop your HOA dues payment, perhaps put it in an escrow account until bylaws are enforced. No reason to carry the deadbeats, they can sell if they can’t afford the payments, just a matter of at what price.
My question is in a PUD, if the HOA takes the home to place it for sale, what happens to the mortgage company? Wouldn’t they come first? And if so, why would the HOA bother to sell the home?
Yeah, a lein on the property doesn’t do much good if it’s underwater already. I’d bet that this is a real difference between wanna-be governments like HOAs and real governments. Real governments make darn sure that they’re first in line. HOAs probably have to stand in line behind the bank at foreclosure time.
Well, first in line is “TAXES”, then the First Mortgage holder, then then all the unsecured liens, and claims…..
Chances are that ‘if’ the owner is not paying their HOA dues, they ain’t paying their taxes either…nor mortgage…
The HOA can foreclose, but then they have to pay the taxes and mortgage lien, and then, it’s all theirs …To sell in the open market….All that should take about 6-12 mos, and maybe $2-5,000 in legal fees, all paid up front to the attorneys….
The only one’s to profit from this will be the attorneys….
Sweet,,, just sweet…And you don’t think attorneys don’t know which side their bread is buttered on…..BOTH SIDES!!!
I think you need to be hesitant to buy into anything whether a Condo, Co-OP or a home with an HOA where you are dependent on others to pay dues in one form or another. You hear the horror stories of Condos charging those who live there massive assessments, because there just aren’t as many owners to shoulder the burden. To many people over extended themselves and the first thing they stop paying is their fees for these kinds of residences.
Xactly. I just stayed in Key Brickell last May, and the number and sheer size of the empty towers surrounding me was breathtaking. Many of these buildings will have to be converted to hotels or office space. Outside of both Castros dying soon and Cuba being opened up, I don’t see any way of filling all of them with paying occupants. And come to think of it, most Cubans don’t have money either.
Actually, your logic is faulty.
If both brothers died and the Island opened up, you could kiss good bye to FL RE market for 2 decades.
The money would flow to Cuba; cheap undeveloped Ocean front land. Hell, there’s only 5000 marina slips on the Island. Billions would flow to Cuba.
Fl would not recover in DECADES.
Muir,
Can we ship all our meth addicts, convicts, asylums and Al Pacino down there?
I believe HARM has a point though, whatever the outcome, those buildings will need to be re-designated ( or likely they’ll crumble )
Yes he does.
I know well the area he refers to.
I lived in Miami/Coral Gables for close to 40 years.
I did speak to a builder in 04. Their vision was simple: A corridor of high-rises looking over the bay from Biscayne and 79th to Brickell and up Coral Way to Coral Gables.
I thought one of us was either delusional or shortsighted.
Still, a view from 60 or 70 stories high of the bay is impressive (unless it’s too dark because a hurricane is blowing outside.)
for those who dont live in south florida. even if cuba opens up, the money from cubans and americans will head south. the us businesses want cuba so bad. the amount of ocean front property is endless. but, hurricanes are something else. that is why panama is building up like crazy.
miami, love it or leave it!
They’ll have problem with redesignating them too. You need businesses to fill them. Current commercial landords will fight like hell to keep that from happening because commercial rents will implode worse than they are imploding now.
The desperate measures being taken to lure somebody to buy property in Florida seem to have come to nought~
This is of course, after all traditional methods of getting rid of said white elephants have been exhausted…
The torments of Hell must be a little like trying to unload an overpriced condo in the falling Vegas or Florida markets:)
mikey,
Good point, it seems like redemption is always just another minute, hour, day away… only to be snatched away from you at the last moment. Yet no one in “charge” can seem to be bothered to put you out of your misery for good.. so there you sit in Limbo. Hellish indeed.
Unfortunatly the FB Sissyphus decides to “rest a minute” while the rock gets bigger and bigger.
“They also had the credit record to meet lenders’ standards. But they couldn’t land an actual loan. ‘Almost all of them want 20 percent,’ said Gladys Castillo, speaking of lenders they had approached. The Castillos had saved only 10 percent, and lenders were loath to get into units in buildings rife with foreclosures.”
“So the couple have stopped searching while they save for a bigger down payment.”
The bank just did them the biggest favor of their lives.
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“Realtors, builders and lenders wearing ‘Buy Now!’ stickers gathered on the Capitol steps Wednesday at a rally to promote the incentive. Beazer Homes, the beleaguered Atlanta-based homebuilder, held an online seminar last week to do the same thing.”
“‘You will never see a better opportunity than the opportunity before us right now,’ ….
Thankfully, the real estate industry has no credibility left, so very few are listening. And most of the ones who would still be influenced by this fit into the category described above: no $ or no credit.
The Daily Journal from Mississippi. “At a recent open house, a band played while attendees snacked on pork tenderloin, all the while admiring the views inside and out of the 8,000-square-foot home. Custom built four years ago, the Louisiana plantation-style home is for sale for almost $2 million, an unheard-of asking price for a home in Northeast Mississippi just a few years ago.”
Wow….It sounds like all this plantation needs now is couple of DebtSlaves and a banker with a whip
Yeah, and you have to appreciate that remark about Louisiana real estate “floating to the top,” much like a turd sometimes does. These are two of the poorest states in the U.S., and builders are throwing up $1 million mansions and saying $350,000 is a “starter home,” as if Google planned to relocate nearby.
During the summer of ‘07, I was in southern Mississippi doing post-Katrina reconstruction.
One fine morning, I was on my way to work, and what should come on the radio but an ad for some $300k-ish houses along Mobile Bay. (We were listening to a Mobile radio station — only decent rock ‘n’ roll we could find.)
As soon as they named the price, I said, “Who in the hell has that kind of money in this part of the country?” The driver of the van had no answer for that one. And I can tell you that there aren’t a lot of southern Mississippians who have that kind of dough.
When I was stationed in Biloxi, MS in the late 80’s my neighbor begged… me to buy his house! 3/2 BRICK! w/ very nice lawn and wonderful area for… 27k. Granted it wasn’t ‘on the water’ but those days evidently are gone.
Truthfully I’ll bugs of all kinds over OR’s rain?
I quickly remember Louisiana Real estate in the 80’s Oil Bust
You couldn’t give a house away - lost 50% value for 10 years.
Who wants to live there? Only if you like roaches the size of cats & fire ants nesting in your walls that no one can ever get rid of
You couldn’t give me a Mansion in La. for FREE -
Keep the swamp State - arm pit of the world!!!
I have relatives there. During my last visit to their subdivision, I was greatly dismayed to see a black Mercedes E-class with a vanity plate reading “REALTOR.” It was the only time in my life I’d ever had the impulse to key a car, but I resisted.
Scene from “Roots, 2008″
Tiffany Kinte: “My name is Home Owner!”
Banker:: “Your name is Fubar Debt-Slave!!!!!”
(crack of whip)
Tiffany Kinte: “MY…..NAME …….IS….. HOME OWNER!!!!
“As long as the local economy does well, contractors and realtors are confident the luxury home market will stay strong. They see the recent sales decline as a minor hiccup and not a sign of trouble ahead.’
‘As long as’ Sweet Baby Jeebus hears my earnest prayers and sends me a pretty lavender-colored magical pony, and then I can pack a sandwich and an apple juice-box in my briefcase and fly to Seattle and skip all this craptastic traffic we got going on. And all will be well. Oh, or just make my meeting in Seattle be cancelled, that’d be almost as good.
As long as. ‘As long as’… Bwhahahahahaha! This is going to end funny, I think. (Funny for me. Not for the luxury home builders.)
One little problem with this luxury market…
…they built 10 houses for one buyer.
Actually, that the story of the WHOLE MARKET at this time.
“‘You will never see a better opportunity than the opportunity before us right now,’ U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson said, standing before an umbrella-toting crowd.”
This Johnny jackass should be strung up, a lowlife Senator out pimping for the housing market. I wonder if is also explaining to people how the $7500.00 ‘tax credit’ actually works, or if he even knows.
He knows how to get elected, nothing else. Give him a chicken suit and at least it would be funny.
I had a great opportunity to buy a house in distress at prices not seen in years. That was in December of 2006. I only wish I had the opportunity to pass on that opportunity. Anyone got a time machine?
Why all the umbrellas in the always sunny, buy now crowd of the REIC Johnny ?
Must be all of those Storm Clouds of REALITY raining down on your RE Pimp Parade
Isn’t that $7,500 credit an interest-free loan that needs to be repaid?
You know that another wave of bailouts will wipe out that “repaid” part.
Yes indeed, along with several other stipulations. Of course most folks won’t care… Where do I sign, I wants my ‘tax credit’.
“‘Right now, I have a couple of $4 million and $5 million loans, and it’s a nightmare to try and finance these people who have high net worth. The few people that were buying these loans, like Indymac, have gone out of business or don’t have the capital to lend,’ Doce said.”
Why do all of these supposedly high net worth individuals need such big loans?
Because they always KEEP their own money safe and gamble with OPM(other peoples money) ?
“Bernard, like many people who bought homes before the housing market soured, said he could not sell his house for what he owes on it.”
Well, then DON’T sell. Stay put and live in the bank’s house you big baby!
I read that linked article and nowhere did it mention any reason why this guy needs to sell his house. He sounds like a big ninny to me.
“They also had the credit record to meet lenders’ standards. But they couldn’t land an actual loan. ‘Almost all of them want 20 percent,’ said Gladys Castillo, speaking of lenders they had approached. The Castillos had saved only 10 percent, and lenders were loath to get into units in buildings rife with foreclosures.”
When I bought my house, if I had told friends: “Guess what! Just because I don’t have 20% down those nasty banks won’t give me a loan” they would have LAUGHED at me! 20% used to be “normal”
When I bought my first house, the bank wouldn’t consider anything less than 10%. With 10% I had to pay PMI which made it better just to put 20% down.
No kidding.
“I h-h-h-have to put some of my *own* money down??”
The horror…
‘Almost all of them want 20 percent,’
What a new (old) concept, requiring 20% down so the buyers have a stake in what they are purchasing. The problem in todays market is very few people save and most do not have 20% for a down payment and most have little or nothing in their retirement account.
Even if people did save, you have to have at least 80K income to be able to save up to 20% down in a reasonable amount of years. Of course real estate is cheaper in Kansas, but no 80K jobs either.
Well that would depend on the price wouldn’t it? That’s the thing, people are either limited by the payment or the required downpayment. Once the downpayment isn’t an issue anymore, than the only limitation is the payment. Well surprise, surprise, when downpayments went away, prices rised to the ragged edge of the payment that people could afford, or worse, thought that they would be able to afford if the stars aligned and everything worked out just right. No meaningful downpayments = higher monthly payments.
We’re all too busy being good little consumers. I’m waiting for the garage sales when the alt-A resets occur and the mass migrations for jobs happen, so that I can load up on lots of cool new, used stuff.
any bets on what the q2 gdp gets “revised” down to?
I’d say that the final figure will be 50% of what was reported this morning.
To colorado: most insurances stop covering allegra and zurtec once claritan became available generically since they are all considered medically equivalent. You can get both generic zurtec and claritan at Costco for pennies. Allegra-D also adds pseudoephedrine which is also available generically for pennies at Costco. Realize your doctor may receive kickbacks from allegra’s manufacturning rep. Call him and ask him if claritan or zurtec would suffice. If he says no, next time you’re there look around and I bet you will see all sorts of knickknacks and other niceties with the Allegra logo.
Umm, pardon me for interrupting your train of thought, but what does your comment have to do with the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole?
There was an Allegra-D thread in the Bits Bucket about this, the reply somehow wound up here.
She has tried Claritin and it didn’t do the trick. She got some free samples of Allegra-D and it did. But at $130+ it will not be considered.
Allegra will be going generic in 2009.
Meant to say Allegra will be going over the counter in 2009 - won’t need a prescription.
How about the point I made above. You want to live in a condo in Miami. But no matter how low the price, you are taking an awful risk of buying into a hellhole if it’s mostly vacant.
So instead of a bunch of mostly vacancy hellholes with knife catchers, how about the bona fide buyers forming a club and buying one particular building? At least that way they know the building will be full of owner occupants.
It seems like the only way to go here, other than the last scene of Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.
WT Economist,
your idea is, simply, too lucid for this, current, RE Market.
“Realtors, builders and lenders wearing ‘Buy Now!’ stickers gathered on the Capitol steps Wednesday at a rally to promote the incentive. Beazer Homes, the beleaguered Atlanta-based homebuilder, held an online seminar last week to do the same thing.”
Actually, it really means that sellers should “Sell Now” because who is going to buy once that credit disappears??? It is just another attempt to delay the bubble’s implosion which of course will fail.
Leave it to Beazer to come up with a cockeyed plan involving self-adhesive stickers as their secret weapon, to sell houses that nobody wants…
Leave it to Beazer to come up with a plan of action probably inspired by Eddie Haskell…
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“Realtors, builders and lenders wearing ‘Buy Now!’ stickers gathered on the Capitol steps Wednesday at a rally to promote the incentive. Beazer Homes, the beleaguered Atlanta-based homebuilder, held an online seminar last week to do the same thing.”