September 7, 2008

Prices They May Never See Again In California

The Sacramento Bee reports from California. “First the banks took away C.C. Myers’ pride and joy. Then they moved to take away nearly everything else. The result was bankruptcy. Stripped of his beloved Winchester Country Club housing development and facing the potential seizure of numerous personal assets, Myers filed for Chapter 7 personal bankruptcy protection last month.”

“The bankruptcy puts a halt, for now, to any effort to seize Myers’ assets, although a Chapter 7 bankruptcy generally results in the liquidation of many of a debtor’s assets to pay creditors. And in some ways much of the damage has already been done: Although Winchester will go on, it will do so without the man who brought it to life.”

“‘I think this was his baby,’ said Donna Lucas, a retired Winchester homeowner whose living room overlooks the Sierra. ‘I just can’t imagine the pain of putting your heart and soul into something at his age and losing it all. It’s just tragic; it really is.’”

The Union Democrat. “Developers of Calypso Bay on the shores of Lake Tulloch in Copperopolis left an ocean of debt, shoddy workmanship and phony occupancy permits in their wake when they moved to the Sacramento area to do more of the same. That’s what volumes of official paperwork and individual complaints concerning Volodymyr and Leonid Dubinsky reveal as Calypso Bay residents seek redress of a host of grievances and Calaveras County building officials probe the depths of the problem.”

“‘I was lucky,’ Ron Cloward, a lieutenant in the Modesto Police Department who bought a vacation home in Calypso Bay, told The Union Democrat. ‘My house was built in the first phase of construction in the development, but when the Dubinsky brothers began to run out of money they apparently started cutting corners and the rest of the project is a mess.’”

“At last report, only 60 of the Homeowner Association’s 125 members were paying dues, according to a real estate agent in the area who had arranged mortgages for the Dubinskys over the past few years. Assurances that the Dubinskys won’t return for another phase of development weren’t forthcoming at the Planning Commission meeting. The commission denied a long-pending application ‘without prejudice’ on the advice of Planning Director Bob Sellman.”

“‘If anyone tries to revive the project they’ll have to deal with a lot of dusty paperwork,’ Sellman told the Planning Commission. ‘They’d have to start near the beginning.’”

The Press Democrat. “Exchange Bank survived the Great Depression, eight wars and six recessions by taking a conservative approach to lending. The strategy helped make it the biggest bank in Sonoma County, an icon of stability in a fast-changing world.”

“Now Exchange Bank finds itself atop a different list. The Santa Rosa bank has more bad loans than any other local financial institution, the result of a risky bet on builders in the Sacramento region near the peak of the housing boom.”

“The root causes of Exchange Bank’s difficulty are its level of construction lending and its decision to expand into the Sacramento region to aggressively seek new loans in the then-booming area, analysts said.”

“‘They were proven developers with proven market success. They went to a market with very attractive performance. It was what we perceived as an intelligent risk,’ said William Schrader, the bank’s chief operating officer. ‘If you look back now, you might call that an aggressive move. We certainly didn’t see the full magnitude and I don’t think any of the major players there saw a correction coming like this one.’”

The San Francisco Chronicle. “Bluetooth devices clamped to their ears and computer printouts in their hands, a dozen real estate investors clustered on the Alameda County Courthouse steps. They were there for the day’s foreclosure auctions, called trustee sales, the moment when houses cease belonging to the homeowner who fell behind on a mortgage.”

“‘At the auctions, (many) properties’ (minimum bid amounts) now are being dropped substantially. That’s the best-kept secret,’ said Robert Kramer, an Oakland investor who buys both for himself and on behalf of clients who pay him a commission of 15 to 20 percent of their net equity in a property.”

“In August, 1,360 properties sold at California trustee sales were bought by investors, up from 432 in January, according to ForeclosureRadar. But that represents just 4 percent of the 34,000 properties that went on the block. The other 96 percent reverted to the lenders.”

“When auctioneer Marc Ramsland got to the big house off Skyline, one man whispered urgently into his cell phone and then bid - exactly one penny more than the $517,500 minimum. The man, who declined to give his name, was the winning bidder at $517,500.01 and handed over a series of cashiers checks to pay.”

“Kramer approved of that 1-cent strategy. ‘Why bid $1 over when you can save 99 cents?’ he said.”

The Ventura County Star. “Many people might be afraid to move during what some are calling the worst housing market since the Great Depression. But not Steve Yewell, who is eager to take advantage of the slumping market.”

“‘I think we’ve got quite a number of folks … taking advantage of the massive inventory right now and are able to downsize into something a little more comfortable,’ said Sunny Strait, Yewell’s Realtor.”

“‘In years past, we didn’t have surplus in the market for folks to choose from,’ Strait said. And the fact that home values have dropped by as much as 50 percent in some areas ‘makes it that much more affordable.’”

“Yewell said he is confident the market has bottomed out because he’s seen some listings come onto the market and last just four or five days. ‘I think we’ve flattened out,’ he said. ‘All the cheap and good houses are flying off the market.’”

The Recordnet. “The analogy to Hurricane Katrina that struck the nation’s Gulf Coast three years ago was heard numerous times Saturday afternoon during a congressional field hearing on the foreclosure crisis that drew four members of Congress, nine key witnesses and about 100 interested onlookers to a meeting room at the Stockton Arena.”

“‘The only difference is that Katrina was an act of nature, while our housing crisis was man-made,’ Visionary Home Builders of California CEO Carol Ornelas testified before the House Committee on Financial Services.”

“During the hearing, Reps. Dennis Cardoza, D-Merced, expressed disdain for those critics who say that everyone involved in the mortgage meltdown shares in the blame.”

“‘There are a whole lot of good people who have been devastated by this’ through no fault of their own, either because of language or cultural barriers or because they bought into a mortgage presented by an unscrupulous broker or lender.”

The Bakersfield Californian. “One thousand properties foreclosed in Kern County during August, county figures show, the most ever among records going back to 1995. Default notices also hit a new all-time high.”

“Tony Ansolabehere, the county’s assistant assessor-recorder, estimates there are currently about 5,600 foreclosed properties still owned by lenders in the county. Most are homes, he said. ‘There’s a lot of inventory out there that needs to be absorbed,’ Ansolabehere said.”

“Bakersfield appraiser Gary Crabtree figures in the past 12 months, some 4,538 single-family homes have foreclosed in the metro area. Crabtree estimates roughly one out of every 24 homes in metropolitan Bakersfield foreclosed during that time.”

The LA Daily News. “A down-payment assistance program for aspiring homebuyers could end on Oct. 1 for what seems like an unusual reason. That’s the day the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008, designed to help pull the nation out of an epic housing market meltdown, takes effect.”

“Those who offer down-payment assistance say it helps get people into homes that they otherwise could not afford. FHA spokesman Brian Sullivan says that’s true. Of course there is a caveat.”

“‘It doesn’t help keep them there,’ Sullivan says.”

“‘Loans that are assisted with seller-funded down-payment assistance fail at two or three times the rate of other loans,’ Sullivan said. ‘Common sense tells us we’ve got to end this practice.’”

“In 2000, loans with nonprofit seller-assisted down payments accounted for about 2 percent of the FHA portfolio, Sullivan said. By 2006 they accounted for 32 percent. Now the FHA has a growing portfolio of foreclosures to deal with.”

“‘We’ve got to stop this process,’ Sullivan said. ‘It’s killing us.’”

“At the end of June, Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Los Angeles, joined three others in backing a bill that would reinstate the down-payment assistance. She returns to Washington on Monday and hopes for some quick action.”

“‘We have addressed some of the concerns raised by HUD (the Department of Housing and Urban Development) and the FHA,’ she said.”

“One concern is making sure future borrowers receiving down-payment assistance have good credit scores. And in addition to hope, Waters has confidence. ‘We have a lot of support for this,’ she said.”

The Orange County Register. “There are foreclosures in San Clemente - the week of Aug. 18, there were 24 properties that had gone through the foreclosure process and were owned by the lenders. I visited seven that had been built in the past five years. Nothing rundown about these. In fact, one ’short sale’ was included because it’s being sold half-built. The framing and roof are up, but nothing else - no drywall, flooring or even a front yard.”

“Real estate agent Mike Cotter said foreclosures and short sales are relatively new in San Clemente. ‘Five years ago was a hot market, so people could sell their house with no problem,’ he said. ‘That all stopped when the market stopped going up.’”

“For the week of Aug. 12, there were 92 properties listed in San Clemente as short sales . ‘Five years ago there were no short sales,’ Cotter said. ‘No one (in the public) even knew what that meant.’”

The Seattle Times. “As chairman and the former CEO of Wells Fargo, Richard Kovacevich led the nation’s fifth-largest bank during the run-up to the mortgage and housing crisis. The San Francisco-based bank hasn’t been immune to the impact of the crisis on the financial-services industry. It recently set aside $3 billion to cover loan losses.”

“Q: In the run-up to the mortgage-lending crisis, what did banks do well and what did they do poorly?”

“A: We don’t have to take much time on what they did well. The problem was just excess. It started doing the right thing, trying to get more people into homes. And then it reached levels that were, quite frankly, totally inappropriate.”

“Q: What’s your forecast? A: If I had to pick a date, I would pick that home prices will bottom out by the middle of 2009, with equal probability that it could happen three or four months earlier or later. We’re already seeing some early signs we’re moving in the right direction.”

“The sales of foreclosed homes were at an all-time high last month. The point is it started to move the merchandise. In a very well-priced house today, at least in California, you could have eight or nine buyers as you auction these things off. People are seeing these are prices they may never see again.”




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Comment by jd
2008-09-07 12:58:40

“‘I was lucky,’ Ron Cloward, a lieutenant in the Modesto Police Department who bought a vacation home in Calypso Bay, told The Union Democrat. ‘My house was built in the first phase of construction in the development,…”

Ron, let’s re-visit your “luck” in a few months.

jd

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-07 13:03:22

The Winchester Mystery House, revisited.

“First the banks took away C.C. Myers’ pride and joy. Then they moved to take away nearly everything else. The result was bankruptcy. Stripped of his beloved Winchester Country Club housing development and facing the potential seizure of numerous personal assets, Myers filed for Chapter 7 personal bankruptcy protection last month.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Mystery_House

Comment by Pullthetrigger?
2008-09-08 02:01:44

Winchester Cathedral? :)

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-07 13:48:17

Anywhere there was overbuilding, banks were there to do their part in going balls to the wall, along with the homebuilders…

A rather vicious financial circle jerking~
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“The root causes of Exchange Bank’s difficulty are its level of construction lending and its decision to expand into the Sacramento region to aggressively seek new loans in the then-booming area, analysts said.”

“‘They were proven developers with proven market success. They went to a market with very attractive performance. It was what we perceived as an intelligent risk,’ said William Schrader, the bank’s chief operating officer. ‘If you look back now, you might call that an aggressive move. We certainly didn’t see the full magnitude and I don’t think any of the major players there saw a correction coming like this one.’”

Comment by SMF
2008-09-07 14:54:37

BS flag being raised way high!!!

A major builder informed me personally in early 2005 that their marketing department had determined that the condo demand was done and over with.

A quick examination of the #s would have shown that the country was being extremely overbuilt.

Those who didn’t see this coming were simply blind.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-07 14:08:18

The Celebrated Jumping Fraud of Calaveras County…
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“Developers of Calypso Bay on the shores of Lake Tulloch in Copperopolis left an ocean of debt, shoddy workmanship and phony occupancy permits in their wake when they moved to the Sacramento area to do more of the same. That’s what volumes of official paperwork and individual complaints concerning Volodymyr and Leonid Dubinsky reveal as Calypso Bay residents seek redress of a host of grievances and Calaveras County building officials probe the depths of the problem.”

Comment by palmetto
2008-09-07 15:01:45

“Volodymyr and Leonid Dubinsky”

Building Potemkin Villages, one development at a time.

 
Comment by DebtInNation
2008-09-07 18:39:09

“but when the Dubinsky brothers began to run out of money they apparently started cutting corners and the rest of the project is a mess”

What did you expect from the “dubinsky” bros? I’ll bet they were firing up the dubinsky’s on the jobsite. Should have re-named themselves the Doobie Bros. Someone oughtta name a band after them.

 
 
Comment by EcoJo
2008-09-07 14:41:09

I live in Copperopolis, Ca and have rented a home in Calypso Bay for a year and I agree that these homes were just slapped together. There are a lot of foreclosures in that development but the prices are still too much to pay for the shoddy construction, high energy bills to heat and cool it (our heat set at 66 in winter and 80 in the summer and it was still over $500 a month) and the gated community doesn’t offer anything that I’m comfortable paying the high dues for.

Also, I am not told that I can’t keep a car in front of my house, a boat in my driveway (it’s a boating community, isn’t it?) when to cut my grass, where my garbage can must be located and what time to bring it in, etc. It goes on, but you get the picture.

The home owners association for Copper Cove is 108 a year and I have much more freedom, while still maintaining a nice neighborhood. I have a 2 acre lot with a custom home just 1 mile from the Kiva beach on Lake Tulloch. There’s a boat ramp, docks and covered picnic tables and bbq’s too. It’s more of a family “small town” lifestyle that this town offers that brings everyone back here. You just don’t get that (imho) in a cookie cutter housing track.

In response to all those other articles, it’s a shame that those who can afford to buy a home now (since homes are affordable now) can’t buy one because they have a foreclosure on their credit.

I hope people can rearrange their 401k’s or juggle something that they can buy now and sit on it, rent it out, etc. Real estate is still the best place to make money on your investment, IF…. you buy LOW and sell it later for a profit instead of reinvesting in another home the same size.

Comment by DebtInNation
2008-09-07 18:56:35

“I hope people can rearrange their 401k’s or juggle something that they can buy now and sit on it, rent it out, etc. Real estate is still the best place to make money on your investment, IF…. you buy LOW and sell it later for a profit instead of reinvesting in another home the same size.”

If you think the market’s hit the bottom, you oughtta buy 2 or 3 more houses in Crapperopolis and sell ‘em in a couple of years after renting them out. You’ll make a fortune!

 
Comment by mikey
2008-09-08 06:14:27

brb…Searching for my troll cookies, a muzzle and a leash :)

 
 
Comment by clearview
2008-09-07 14:45:15

I have a question. The S.F Chronicle article states that in August 1,360 homes out of 34,000 foreclosed homes on the auction block in California were sold. When a property “reverts” back to the bank does that property show up as a “sold” property somewhere, like on dataquick? I’ve heard that some “reverted” properties are counted as “sold”.

Dataquick states that 39,507 homes were sold in California during the month of July. They went on the state that 44.8% of those home sales were foreclosures. That’s 17,699 homes.

The numbers don’t add up.

Comment by KIA
2008-09-08 07:49:09

I don’t know about this immediate fact pattern - East Coaster here, but sales are usually as the name suggests - open market sales between buyer and seller. I read that bit to say that 44% of the sales which occurred were for houses which were delinquent, in default or in foreclosure, meaning these may have been short sales, quick sales or ordinary sales to get out from under the foreclosure.

Foreclosures are generally classified as “distressed sales” in a different category from normal sales. Taxing authorities are particularly fond of this distinction because it allows them to tax at what they feel the “market value” is rather than what people are willing to actually pay for the house.

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2008-09-07 14:48:45

“During the hearing, Reps. Dennis Cardoza, D-Merced, expressed disdain for those critics who say that everyone involved in the mortgage meltdown shares in the blame.”

“‘There are a whole lot of good people who have been devastated by this’ through no fault of their own, either because of language or cultural barriers or because they bought into a mortgage presented by an unscrupulous broker or lender.”

His pandering is blatantly obvious.

Comment by milkcrate
2008-09-07 15:08:55

“‘There are a whole lot of good people who have been devastated by this’ through no fault of their own, either because of language or cultural barriers or because they bought into a mortgage presented by an unscrupulous broker or lender.”

Yes, palmetto, the pandering is offensive indeed.
“Cultural barriers” is especially laughable. I wonder when personal responsibility evaporated, partisan politics aside.

Comment by palmetto
2008-09-07 16:57:22

Blue Star posted earlier on the divisiveness that exists in this country. A large part of that is the blatant pandering to various cultural groups, and the posturing by those groups. Or group, as the case may be. I’m completely sick of it. Achewhoren (ACORN) can kiss my ever-lovin’ grits.

 
 
Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-09-08 05:23:47

numbers look the same in spanish and english

Comment by az_lender
2008-09-08 06:18:30

except that Spanish-speakers often use a comma where we would use a decimal point. Hey, maybe that’s the root of the whole mess. People saw $300,000 and thought it meant $300.00 !!!

 
 
Comment by IE Fencesitter
2008-09-08 13:13:56

I grew up in Stockton and got the hell out as soon as they let me graduate at age 17. I can tell you there is more than one “cultural barrier” there. Language aside, the majority of people there are just flat-out ignorant baby-makers (including my own half-witted cousins living off social security at age 30). It was nice in the 50’s (like everywhere else) but is absolutely pathetic now, despite their attempts at gentrification (like the “Stockton Arena” where these clowns met).

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-09-07 15:07:46

“At the end of June, Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Los Angeles, joined three others in backing a bill that would reinstate the down-payment assistance. She returns to Washington on Monday and hopes for some quick action.”

Did she use downpayment assistance to purchase her home?

Comment by jb
2008-09-07 17:16:44

Maxine is a completely nuts and everyone knows it… crazy as a loon

 
Comment by flat
2008-09-07 17:47:37

maxi wants to nationalize oil- like chavez

Comment by Skroodle
2008-09-07 20:58:24

I agree, we should only nationalize industries that can’t make money. Like mortgage financing companies, automobile manufacturers, airlines, etc.

Oil industries and gold mines should be off limits.

 
 
Comment by pismoclam
2008-09-07 19:22:45

No but she probably got a sweetheart loan from Countrywide like Pelosi’s son, Dodd, and Conrad (all dems) at below market interest rate. BTW, did you see where Pelosi and hubby bought 100k worth of stock in Boone Pickens new wind farm scam.

 
 
Comment by gal
2008-09-07 15:09:23

“‘In years past, we didn’t have surplus in the market for folks to choose from,’ Strait said. And the fact that home values have dropped by as much as 50 percent in some areas ‘makes it that much more affordable.’”

“Yewell said he is confident the market has bottomed out because he’s seen some listings come onto the market and last just four or five days. ‘I think we’ve flattened out,’ he said. ‘All the cheap and good houses are flying off the market.’”

Mr. Strait should diduct 50% from 300% that prices on houses shut up for last 8 years. Buttom will be close if prices will come down at least 100% more from todays prices…

Comment by DebtInNation
2008-09-07 18:59:54

I wonder if he said the same thing about pets.com when it was flying off the shelf at $50 a share instead of $100.

 
Comment by pismoclam
2008-09-07 19:29:44

Three zip codes in Santa Maria show -39.2%,-21.5%,-37.8% year ‘07 to ‘08. Wait til the option arms hit next year.hehehehehehe

Comment by rms
2008-09-08 01:11:56

Can’t wait to see it creep up the coast. SLO is hugely overpriced relative to incomes.

Comment by max4me
2008-09-08 06:18:32

hey I got family in arroyo and I keep asking them how local incomes can afford those prices, they can never give me a straight answer.

What should SLO be at

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Comment by az_lender
2008-09-08 06:20:36

Morro Bay still falling but not quickly

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Comment by az_lender
2008-09-08 06:22:12

OK gal, but a 300% increase followed by a 50% decrease is only a 100% increase; give it another 50% decrease and prices are back where they started (which may or may not happen)

 
 
Comment by vmaxer
2008-09-07 15:18:05

“At the end of June, Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Los Angeles, joined three others in backing a bill that would reinstate the down-payment assistance. She returns to Washington on Monday and hopes for some quick action.”

Currently, FHA only requires 3% down. That’s a lousy $15,000 down on a $500,000 house. If a buyer can’t save up 3% how can they be a good candidate for a mortgage? These morons will stop at nothing to shoehorn people into homes they can’t afford. These down payment assisted loans are nothing more than no money down schemes. People like Maxine Waters are so deperate to artificially support prices, that they are willing to throw new buyers under the bus, to do it.

Comment by reuven
2008-09-07 18:02:48

It’s seen as a crucial issue to African American voters. (I posted another comment to this topic about it…it takes a while for comments with links to show up.) Eliminating Downpayment Assistance is being labeled as “racist” by some black commentators.

She’s merely trying to buy votes.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2008-09-07 15:28:22

“When auctioneer Marc Ramsland got to the big house off Skyline, one man whispered urgently into his cell phone and then bid - exactly one penny more than the $517,500 minimum. The man, who declined to give his name, was the winning bidder at $517,500.01 and handed over a series of cashiers checks to pay.”

“Kramer approved of that 1-cent strategy. ‘Why bid $1 over when you can save 99 cents?’ he said.”

Nothing like spending a penny to possibly lose a few hundred thousand dollars.

Comment by hoz
2008-09-07 15:45:28

“In Courtesy, rather pay a penny too much than too little”

I guess that’s the only time to overpay.

Comment by DebtInNation
2008-09-07 19:01:57

And this schmuck gets 15 - 20 % comission for this? I thought realtwhores were bad enough.

 
Comment by DebtInNation
2008-09-07 19:06:36

And this schmuck is making 15-20% commission. I thought realtwhores were bad.

Comment by CrookCounty
2008-09-08 04:36:52

So after the 15-20% commissions on a $500K house, the effective price paid was $575K-$600K. They were bought by “investors” solely to sell to some future schmuck at a higher price. Thus, those “sales” to investors haven’t reduced supply inventory one iota. The fraud and the numbers continue to be cooked even now.

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Comment by CABubblin
2008-09-07 15:40:31

“‘There are a whole lot of good people who have been devastated by this’ through no fault of their own, either because of language or cultural barriers or because they bought into a mortgage presented by an unscrupulous broker or lender.”
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Whatever!! There are no language or cultural barriers when it comes to numbers.

These “good people” simply took a big risk driven by their own greed like many others.

It’s too bad they lost, but they knew what they were getting into. I don’t feel bad for them, just as they wouldn’t feel bad for me (for not buying) if they had made a ton of cash as expected.

They do in fact share in the blame!

Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-09-07 20:25:28

Well ,usually when a person is a victim of fraud or some loan crime, they have proof and they contact a lawyer . Why is it that so many of these borrowers signed on the dotted line on a loan contract that was legally binding ? Why is it that so many of the FB’s need to sell so soon after they have purchased their homes ?

Why is it that people went on toxic teaser rate adjustable loans in
a low fixed rate market? The only reason a person would go on a
toxic adjustable is because they were using leverage to make what they thought was sure-bet money .

During the big stock market run -up of the late 1920’s ,people bought stocks on margin because they thought that stocks would continue to go up .

I think that the greatest way in which people in general were victims of the housing boom was that prices were inflated using a lot of fraudulent comps and other borrowers who were not really qualified were creating a false demand for housing that was driving the prices up . Also ,the REIC was selling property based on false myths that the people bought hook, line ,and sinker . The whole darn culture was rah rah real estate ,and the mania went World wide .

 
 
Comment by Ernest
2008-09-07 16:03:27

“”It was what we perceived as an intelligent risk”"

What else in the entire financial spectrum was “perceived as an intelligent risk”? Perceived by whom? And are the these same people who are now telling us to “Follow me boys” this is the way out.

 
Comment by dc_renter
2008-09-07 16:21:56

It’s all gonna turn around in 2009??? Yeah. Right.

 
Comment by flat
2008-09-07 16:48:32

fre-fnm-hud-fha
as of tomorrow if you pay taxes you’re making payments on a house

Comment by Bill in Maryland
2008-09-07 17:39:46

And I demand a piece of the pie that the specuvestor has been getting on interest rate tax deductions if I have to make said payments by bailing out fre-fnm-hud-fha.

 
Comment by Eudemon
2008-09-07 21:40:58

And how much you wanna bet that we taxpayers won’t be allowed to write off the mortgage interest on all these properties that none of us will actually own? (A given, of course).

Taxation without representation knows no bounds. Lovely country we live in, no? And it’s all for the *public good*.

Perhaps we HBBers should rub our increasingly worthless nickels together, purchase some foreclosed Frannie properties, wheel ‘em up to Boston and dump them in the ocean off Martha’s Vineyard.

 
 
Comment by dc_renter
2008-09-07 17:04:49

fre-fnm-hud-fha
as of tomorrow if you pay taxes you’re making payments on a house

–And somebody (Greenspan, Hedgefund investers?) are laughing all the way to the bank.

Comment by flat
2008-09-07 17:49:23

get an arm”
greenspin 2004

 
 
Comment by Tango in Uniform
2008-09-07 17:34:03

I think this was his baby

This “American Dream” has gotten so ridiculously out of control. Since when did a lump of dirt and pile of sticks become the most important things in our lives? This makes me sick.

Comment by Ernest
2008-09-07 17:46:09

One evening as the sun went down and the jungle fire was burning
Down the track came a hobo hiking and he said boys I’m not turning I’m headin for a land that’s far away beside the crystal fountains So come with me we’ll go and see the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains there’s a land that’s fair and bright Where the handouts grow on bushes and you sleep out every night Where the boxcars are all empty and the sun shines every day On the birds and the bees and the cigarette trees
Where the lemonade springs where the bluebird sings In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains all the cops have wooden legs
And the bulldogs all have rubber teeth and the hens lay soft boiled eggs The farmer’s trees are full of fruit and the barns are full of hay Oh, I’m bound to go where there ain’t no snow
Where the rain don’t fall and the wind don’t blow In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains you never change your socks
And the little streams of alcohol come a-trickling down the rocks
The brakemen have to tip their hats and the railroad bulls are blind There’s a lake of stew and of whiskey too You can paddle all around ‘em in a big canoe In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains the jails are made of tin
And you can walk right out again as soon as you are in
There ain’t no short handled shovels, no axes saws or picks
I’m a goin to stay where you sleep all day Where they hung the jerk that invented work In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

I’ll see you all this coming fall in the Big Rock Candy Mountains

Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-09-08 05:22:26

does it have free healthcare ?
whoops “universal”
some MSM desperation
http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/105707/Where-Homes-Are-Selling-Fastest

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-09-07 20:59:27

Bingo Tango . And this whole concept that one would buy a house for the sole purpose of selling it to a greater fool in the ponzi-scheme is just absurd .

The industry peddled “real estate always goes up “. Well, why would real estate always go up ,and how many years do you have to average to make that statement true ?

 
 
Comment by reuven
2008-09-07 17:40:17

According to this African-American columnist, downpayment assistance programs (which lead to 3x the foreclosure rate!) was started in the African American communities, run by churches:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-johnson/imminent-death-of-down-pa_b_111980.html

The irony is that as our nation’s leaders in Congress and the Bush Administration try to solve the problem… some are attempting to kill Down Payment Assistance — preventing hundreds of thousands of African-American, women heads of household and Hispanic families from utilizing one of the few ways they can achieve the American Dream

This is not a government hand out, no, private down payment assistance-usually funded by non-profits, was started in OUR community. It grew out from a $5,000 loan from a small Baptist church in Sacramento, CA — that church created the largest black CDC in America — Nehemiah Corporation of America. Since the Nehemiah program assisted those first church going families, Nehemiah and other organizations have assisted in giving the gift of homeownership to over one million families in the past 10 years.

This guy argues that it’s some sort of Racist Conspiracy to eliminate downpayment assistance because it helps blacks, Latinos, and “women-run households.”

The irony is that as our nation’s leaders in Congress and the Bush Administration try to solve the problem… some are attempting to kill Down Payment Assistance — preventing hundreds of thousands of African-American, women heads of household and Hispanic families from utilizing one of the few ways they can achieve the American Dream

This is not a government hand out, no, private down payment assistance-usually funded by non-profits, was started in OUR community. It grew out from a $5,000 loan from a small Baptist church in Sacramento, CA — that church created the largest black CDC in America — Nehemiah Corporation of America. Since the Nehemiah program assisted those first church going families, Nehemiah and other organizations have assisted in giving the gift of homeownership to over one million families in the past 10 years.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-09-07 20:45:15

Oh, I’m sure the down payment assistance was a good thing at one time when neutral arms length parties donated money and it went to down payment assistance for parties that applied .But when a builder of a tract puts up down payment assistance to fund one of his own transactions ,and raises the price of the house to offset that hand-out ,its not a arms length transaction anymore and the seller is just giving a
kickback in essence ,after raising the price to cover it . Those programs became corrupt and they have high default rates to prove how they don’t really foster long term ownership stability .

Comment by reuven
2008-09-07 22:48:07

…and they raise the property taxes of innocent neighbors, whose valuations and taxes are based on comps.

 
Comment by SDNewbie
2008-09-08 14:55:25

Amen brother wizard! (snicker)

 
 
 
Comment by DebtInNation
2008-09-07 18:51:09

“People are seeing these are prices they may never see again.”

I agree with him, I don’t think we’ll ever see them this high again.

Comment by az_lender
2008-09-08 06:25:56

Right, when I saw the title of Ben’s post, I wondered which way the “never again” was going to go. I suppose we’ll see them nominally this high again. But in real terms, perhaps never.

 
 
Comment by CA renter
2008-09-08 01:42:39

Woo-hoo!!! It’s a hap-hap-happy day on Wall Street!

Futures up over 270 points right now. Don’t remember ever seeing them that high (years?). This ought to be a really fun day for short-sellers.

 
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