September 16, 2008

A Simple Excess Of Greed And Speculation

The Boston Herald reports from Massachusetts. “Call it the return of the $100,000 home. Real estate observers are seeing a spike in the number of single-family houses and condominiums available in certain areas of the state for $100,000 or less. Real estate agents say they’re seeing some eye-popping retro-like prices for some homes and condos in lower-income areas, often sold off by banks at bargain-basement deals just to get them off their books.”

“Gregory Burton said he recently sold a Dorchester two-bedroom condo on Jacob Street, just outside Codman Square, for $55,000. The same condo sold for about $179,000 three years ago.”

“A similar apartment in the same building was on the market this spring at $129,000 - and sold late last month for $50,000, according to listings.”

“Adam Day, an agent in Watertown, said he recently sold a newly renovated three-bedroom condo in Chelsea, originally listed at about $200,000, for only $152,000. ‘I do see the $200,000 barrier cracked more,’ said Day.”

“Boston workers were bracing yesterday for hundreds of job losses as the financial world reeled from the bankruptcy filing of Lehman Brothers and the planned $50 billion takeover of Merrill Lynch by Bank of America.”

“Merrill Lynch and Bank of America spokesmen said yesterday there would be some Boston job- and real estate-holdings cuts where overlaps occur, but declined to give specifics. Both companies have significant wealth-management businesses in Boston.”

“In Greater Boston alone, Merrill has 11 branches in mostly affluent towns, employing hundreds of workers.”

The Boston Globe. “‘No one ever thought they’d see a day like this,’ said Michael A. Greeley, managing general partner at IDG Ventures in Boston, who worked on Wall Street early in his career. ‘To think that two of our largest investment banks are now history is unfathomable.’”

“‘When the dust settles, there are going to be some people let go,’ said Scott M. Black, president of Boston investment firm Delphi Management Inc. ‘The real impact will be a shrinkage in available credit. Borrowing rates for individuals and corporations are going up.’”

“‘This contagion continues to spread,’ said Peter Falvey, cofounder of a Boston investment bank that had a deal-sharing arrangement with Lehman. Falvey said he didn’t expect his company would be financially hurt by Lehman’s demise but was more concerned about the overall financial environment. ‘We can’t see the bottom right now,’ he said. ‘That’s the most worrisome thing.’”

USA Today on Massachusetts. “‘It’s like a multiple-car accident on the highway - just a collision of things,’ says Robert Forrant, a professor at the University of Massachusetts-Lowell. ‘There’s disappearing jobs over a long period of time, then the home foreclosure crisis and obviously high energy costs. All of that has made people feel a great deal of economic anxiety.’”

“Roger Nascimento, owner of a small house-painting business may close off the second floor of his home and move his family downstairs this winter to save on heating costs.”

“‘People are getting laid off because businesses are closing down, and I’ve got two friends who are losing their houses,’ Roberts says. The town has one of the highest foreclosure rates in the state. Even tips are down as locals count their pennies. ‘The banks are nervous, and people are scared.’”

The Providence Journal from Rhode Island. “Many of the problems vexing financial markets relate to the run-up in housing prices earlier in the decade, said Willis H. Riccio, a Providence lawyer and former regulator with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.”

“In essence, lenders made mortgage loans to people who could not afford them. These loans, in turn, were put together as packages and sold as investments. In time, the system began to unravel.”

“‘This crisis was borne of a simple excess of greed and speculation in one sector - real estate - by borrowers, lenders and financial middlemen,’ said Robert E. Cusack, chief investment officer at a money management firm in Providence. ‘Now that the collateral for all this borrowing has fallen in value, the stresses are enough to break those with enough exposure to it. Since this is as much a crisis of confidence as it is of money, there are no buyers of mortgage-backed paper in the markets. This makes things worse.’”

“Because lenders are tightening their standards, and for other reasons, ‘there’s just less liquidity in the marketplace,’ said Jordan E. Goodman, former Wall Street correspondent for Money magazine who was raised in Cranston. ‘It’s already hard to get a mortgage. It’s about to get harder. It’s already hard to get small-business loans. It’s going to get harder.’”

The New Haven Register on Connecticut. “Wall Street may be in New York City, but the descent of the mammoth investment firm Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. into Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection Monday, along with Bank of America’s acquisition of the Merrill Lynch & Co. investment bank, will be felt in Connecticut, experts say.”

“The state’s Fairfield County area is linked to Metropolitan New York, with many of its residents commuting into the Big Apple to work. Due to layoffs, primarily in the financial sector, approximately 36,000 to 40,000 jobs have been lost, said Donald Klepper-Smith, chief economist at DataCore Partners LLC in New Haven and economic adviser to Gov. M. Jodi Rell.”

“‘Institutions must be allowed to fail in order for capitalism to survive,’ said Paul Schatz, a wealth manager in Woodbridge. ‘Certainly, this is the continuation of the lesson we should all learn from the housing crisis: There’s no free lunch.’”

From The Day in Connecticut. “Financial experts said the difference between then and now is that people who invested in Internet firms knew they were taking a risk, whereas today’s unpleasantness has spilled over to people who thought they were making conservative investments.”

“Glenn Hamler, a financial adviser in New London, said he heard of one local investor whose $800,000 investment in Lehman Brothers now may well be worthless. Others, according to economists, have had to delay retirement because of sudden losses of 20 to 30 percent in their 401(k) plans.”

“‘It’s a cruel animal, capitalism,’ Hamler said. ‘When things change in the market, there are no prisoners.’”

“‘The market is brutally punishing bad decisions over time,’ added Middleton.”

“Bill Middleton, an investment adviser in Mystic, said the current crisis can be looked at as similar to periods in which other industries - notably Internet firms in the late 1990s and biotech operations in the ’80s - experienced overcapacity.”

“‘There were too many banks chasing too few dollars,’ Middleton said. ‘When we got rid of excess capacity in Internet companies, we didn’t look at it as a social crisis. But for people in the Internet business that was a pretty unpleasant time.’”

The Times Union from New York. “As has been widely noted, it was the easy availability of mortgages that contributed to rising numbers of foreclosures and a roiling of Wall Street.”

“But Lawrence Yun, the chief economist for the National Association of Realtors, said the foreclosure crisis has been hyped, pointing out that only one of every 100 American households has been foreclosed upon. ‘It’s very high from a historical point of view, but it’s not as if people are falling apart right and left,’ he said. ‘It’s important to put that in perspective.’”

“In fact, Yun said he sees the housing market, both nationally and in New York, as ‘out of whack.’”

“Mortgage rates are very low and the federal government has just launched a $7,500 tax credit designed to spur home purchases. Yet even in places with rapid job growth — such as in Indianapolis or Texas metropolitan areas — homes sales are lagging.”

“The reason for that gap, in Yun’s view, is eroding consumer confidence largely caused by negativity, both in the media and elsewhere, about the market. Yun, by contrast, is more optimistic, believing the housing slump is nearly over.”

“‘The winter months are always weaker (for home sales), but this winter will be better than last winter,’ he said. ‘There is this great pent-up demand that cannot be held back any further.’”

“Events of the last few days might make such economic optimism seem far-fetched. And even Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has predicted continuing housing market weakness. Yun, in fact, on Monday rebuked Bernanke for such predictions, saying if it’s inappropriate to forecast stock or oil prices, ‘it is inappropriate to comment on home prices, because people react to that.’”

“To applause from his Realtor audience, Yun said he had made that point in a letter to Bernanke. And he rued that former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan is also issuing more negative housing market predictions.”

“‘But there’s little that can be done about that,’ Yun said.”

The Post Standard from New York. “The law shows up with one hand on their holstered pistols. Two Onondaga County sheriff’s deputies bring a hard reality. The inhabitants of 4692 Beef St., in Onondaga, can’t live here anymore.”

“‘Sheriff! Anyone here?’ shouts Sgt. Bob Burns as he slides open an unlocked door after his knock goes unanswered.”

“The former owners of the home, Andrew and Roxanna Crysler, hadn’t made a mortgage payment in 17 months, according to court records. The lending company that held the mortgage, GMAC Mortgage LLC, exhausted its efforts in court to get its money. GMAC persuaded a judge to issue an order in April to have deputies evict the Cryslers and their possessions.”

“The empty home was the deputies’ second eviction in a week. Two days earlier, they went through the same routine at a $500,000 home in Clay. In both cases, the residents had moved out in advance of the deputies.”

“‘They never talked about it,’ neighbor Marie Temara said of the Cryslers. ‘They just left.’”

The Star Ledger from New Jersey. “Much has been written about how easy credit fueled a housing bubble. Six years ago, owning a home — the American Dream — seemed to be in everyone’s reach. And not just owning one home, but several. Don’t have the cash to put 20 percent down? No problem. The rules went out the window. Money was lent freely.”

“People who could never afford a home suddenly could. And people who could afford a $250,000 Cape Cod were lent enough to buy $500,000 McMansions.”

“Here are some of the factors experts said led to the debacle. Alan Greenspan, former Federal Reserve chairman, has been taking the heat for driving interest rates so low after the internet bubble and 9/11 terrorist attacks led to a mild recession.”

“‘With the benefit of hindsight, it does look like interest rates were too low for too long, and it does look like it contributed to the housing bubble,’ said Robert Dye, senior economist for the PNC Financial Services Group. ‘But that wasn’t the only thing. The risk in the mortgage industry became a hot potato — it was passed on and passed on.’”

“‘We had a home ownership rate that went from 40 percent in the Great Depression to approaching 70 percent a year or so ago,’ Dye said. ‘The big lesson we learned is that simply is too high.’”

“‘I have a theory — it’s called the marginal moron theory — which says that wrong people get into the markets for the wrong reasons at the wrong times,’ said Scott Rothbort, a finance professor at Seton Hall University. ‘You had people who all of a sudden thought the housing market was an open casino — no money down.’”

The Asbury Park Press from New Jersey. “The meltdown on Wall Street capped a tumultuous 24 hours. During the one-day sell-off, about $700 billion evaporated from retirement plans, government pension funds and other investment portfolios.”

“The uncertainty can be traced to the housing market’s collapse. Lenders, emboldened by soaring home prices earlier in the decade, loosened their underwriting standards and approved home loans to consumers who couldn’t afford them. They then bundled the loans and sold them to investors worldwide, experts said.”

“‘”I think what we are witnessing is the end of the phase in which (easy) debt was made available,’ said Patrick J. O’Keefe, former CEO of the New Jersey Builders Association. ‘What America is going to have to come to grips with is our addition to debt is at an end.’”

“Meanwhile, the state’s housing market continues to be weighed down by rising foreclosures, falling home prices and stricter credit standards, said Joan Martinez, a mortgage loan officer in Berkeley.”

“‘It’s very difficult to get a mortgage these days,’ she said. ‘This is the worst I’ve ever seen it.’”

“Harold Olsen, 72, of Tinton Falls, has been unable to sell his home, despite lowering the price almost 25 percent. ‘Everybody is up against the same situation,’ he said.”

“Olsen moved into his home in 2001 and put it on the market two years ago, asking $680,000. He has lowered the price to $520,000. But still, no one has come close to the price; one recent buyer offered $390,000.”

“‘I’m going to be a little above breaking even - if I sell it at this price,’ Olsen said.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-09-16 07:44:03

‘The state’s Fairfield County area is linked to Metropolitan New York, with many of its residents commuting into the Big Apple to work. Due to layoffs, primarily in the financial sector, approximately 36,000 to 40,000 jobs have been lost, said Donald Klepper-Smith…economic adviser to Gov. M. Jodi Rell.’

It’s interesting to me what stuns people in the northeast. We lost something like 47,000 jobs in July alone in Arizona. But let some old paper shuffling Wall Street has-beens go under, and they get all apocalyptic on us. Those 401ks were just as inflated as the housing bubble. So these guys have to find a way to make a real living; so what. The rest of the country is learning to deal with it, so should Boston.

Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-09-16 08:46:25

But Ben, they’re special, they ruin, oops, run the financial cogs of this vast and mighty country of ours.

I bet most of them have never even changed a tire in their entire lives, Hey Toby, get over heeyer and fix this thang.

Reminds me of a story told by James Jones the writer (From Here to Eternity) where he’s at a party in NYC with Ted Kennedy, James is standing by the bar and Ted comes up and says, “Another gin and tonic.” He obediently made it for him, no comment, while the rest of the bunch laughed their arses off. Ted later came back and apologized when he realized who he was.

 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-09-16 10:38:37

You know, the world didn’t end when we didn’t have social security or 401Ks…kids and communities bucked up and took care of their parents, or people worked ’til they died. There might even be some good side effects on American culture by having a little less money to waste on luxuries.

Those guys need us a lot more than we need them.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2008-09-16 11:03:53

ummm…..wasn’t that article about CT?

Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-09-16 12:49:15

Oh Carrie, don’t confuse us with the facts. :)

 
 
Comment by Arizzzona
2008-09-16 16:30:52

I agree. If things were as bad there as they are out here the region would be in shock.

I could give a boatfull of reasons why. The simplest ones are a higher pressure climate of socio-economic expectations (’What do you mean your son won’t be continuing with his undergrad at _____ college?!’), and a more recent sociological tendency; The region has more of a palpable feel of Nannystate in the air (and less risk embracement).

Can you imagine a big freeway sign as you enter Wyoming saying, “Is Your Tire Pressure Correct?” Next time I visit it might be, “Did You Floss Today?” You get subtly lectured (conditioned) with do’s and dont’s all over. Now, does this type of outlook make a region more ready and able to absorb a MAJOR economic hit?

The combination of high social pressure and fear avoidance -safety embracement can be disabling when the money runs out… And thus the fear.

My 2 cents (No offense to any readers in the NE - but each time I visit it feels more and more like Eastern Canada. - And no offense to anyone in Eastern Canada, : ) - I simply prefer greater liberty at the expense of security, and find our country’s trend toward security and safety to be a bit scary.)

 
 
Comment by stanleyjohnson
2008-09-16 07:48:45

This photo was taken by TMZ of Lawrence Yun just outside of Sheraton Four Seasons hotel in Detroit.

http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh134/imagesonweb/?action=view&current=pot.jpg” target=”_blank”

Comment by palmetto
2008-09-16 09:38:44

Lol, stanley.

 
Comment by Inland Empire
2008-09-16 13:11:03

Priceless!!!

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-09-16 07:50:03

BeaConst, care to comment? :-)

 
Comment by Asparagus
2008-09-16 07:51:10

“may close off the second floor of his home and move his family downstairs this winter to save on heating costs.”

Wow. That says it all for me. Put the brakes on spending, get frugal.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-09-16 08:16:47

Ummm … not to be stating the obvious but why have a second floor then?

Incidentally, I’ve seen the same tendency in supposedly “rich” people who live in New Canaan, CT.

Why bother with image when you can’t afford it?

Comment by tresho
2008-09-16 15:29:03

Why bother with image when you can’t afford it? Because the onlookers you are trying to impress can only see the image. Your massive debts are invisible to unthinking rubes.

 
 
Comment by Not Mssing It
2008-09-16 08:18:27

LOL if only he knew it is actually warmer in the upstairs rooms in the winter.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-09-16 08:39:29

Why you bein’ all negative an’ all and bringin’ facts into the picture, huh?

Comment by DinOR
2008-09-16 09:10:42

Oh I don’t know. Our old house had a LR with a huge vaulted ceiling that we basically closed off during the week in our OR winter. It kept the rest of the house cozier and we’d open it up on the weekends.

Given no one was there during the day anyway we felt is the best option at the time. Remember, this was in the 90’s and evergy was quite a bit cheaper so we did b/c we’re cheap ( not desperate! )

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Comment by pos
2008-09-16 11:36:42

Yes the upstairs is warmer when it is open to the rest of your house. But, if you close off the upstairs the lower rooms will be kept warmer. It would be nice if you could close off the stairs and halls that go up to the second floor, you would save more. Someone needs to make and sell a portable hall/stairway blocker. (I live in California, we don’t have this problem)

 
Comment by Bad Chile
2008-09-16 11:43:17

They already do - it is called a blanket and twelve nails.

Of course, Mr. “Try to save as much money as possible” by closing off the upstairs probably hasn’t thought of the chimney of his stairwell, so he’ll miss it.

remember those quilted thermal run on a track inside window shades? My wife’s family still has them on the house. Ugly as sin, but wow, really, really keep it warm in that house when they’re closed.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2008-09-16 11:56:38

We don’t have that problem here either. The lowest winter daytime high temp in three years was 38, and we only have about 12 nights each year where the temp drops below 32. Lowest night time temp so far in three winters has been 24. Needless to say, the nearby lake doesn’t freeze.

 
Comment by DinOR
2008-09-16 12:35:58

Bill,

I’m not in any way doubting you but that isn’t radically different from an OR winter? Well, the Willamette Valley anyway. Oft times there’s only 5 degrees between our high and low for the day. We have puh-lenty of mild days.

Yet still, heating can be a pain. 50 degrees isn’t bad for a round of golf, but living like that? So you have all the issues somebody that lives in the U.P does when it comes to heating. When I look at the expenses we incur just to make it 10, 15 degrees warmer than it is outside, it’s incredible! I’ve tried most everything and finally settled on an infra-red heater ( near silent and one moving part ) and strategically placed space heaters. Cheaper, yes. Free, no.

 
 
 
Comment by JoJo
2008-09-16 10:45:26

“LOL if only he knew it is actually warmer in the upstairs rooms in the winter.”

I’ve been predicting that these ‘luxurious’ vaulted ceilings and two story foyers were going to be the new white elephants in the next energy crisis for some time now. Give me low ceilings that trap the heat.

Comment by DinOR
2008-09-16 11:24:41

“the new white elephants” LOL!

Right, now that you mention it there was a reason in the past you would typically only see them in “public” buildings!

In fairness ( to Oregonians ) by the time Feb. rolls around you can very easily begin to feel claustrophobic. Lower ceilings ( however efficient ) tend to amplify that sense. Keep in mind we used multiple heat sources so it was a matter of whatever was cheapest at the time? In the 90’s you could get 2.5 gal. of Kerosene for $7. A bag of wood pellets was $2.99 ( now they’re $4.99 )

But you’re right, you had to wonder how long that trend could continue for cooling as well in LV, PHX etc. as well?

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-16 07:52:01

With the financial industry reeling, the only upper-middle class jobs left in quantity in our country are in the war industry…

How much longer can that last?

Comment by hd74man
2008-09-16 08:57:15

RE: With the financial industry reeling, the only upper-middle class jobs left in quantity in our country are in the war industry…

How much longer can that last?

As long as the shaft bearings on the FED’s currency printing presses can hold up.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2008-09-16 11:10:56

Medical still expanding locally Alad.

My friend’s been treating me to Starbucks since her hubby gets $300/week to be on call for another medical professor. He doesn’t even go in. He’s just on standby in case his boss has an emergency.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2008-09-16 11:29:36

that’s $300/Saturday

 
 
 
Comment by reuven
2008-09-16 07:55:04

Some of us have been saying for years here that if there were no “affodability loan” products, downpayment assistance programs, or GSEs, there would be $100,000 homes in every market!

Even Levittown homes, when first built, were only 2x median income. They weren’t 10x median income with “low EZ Payments.”

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-09-16 10:51:01

I’ll be happy to see our speculator-glorifying culture flushed down the toilet…the schadenfreude of this little misadventure in our economic history is WAY more enjoyable knowing that the big investors and flippers did it to themselves, and not “unavoidable circumstances” like Greenspan tries to convince us to believe.

When investors stop expecting outsized returns on their investments, when risk is assumed by the same people who actually make the loans, when honesty and common sense dictate lending decisions, then mortgages and mortgage backed securities will be a safe investment again.

A good home sold to a reliable and well-vetted homeowner is a good long-term investment. When that makes sense again, then maybe we’ll have a little sanity come back to the markets.

Comment by DinOR
2008-09-16 11:38:51

NoSingleOne,

And Kudos on you as well Sir! ( See Housing Wizard’s post on “Pent Up Demand” below ) The R-E-A-L Pent Up Demand!

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-16 08:04:18

Charon is the ferryman of the glass bottomless boat…

“‘This contagion continues to spread,’ said Peter Falvey, cofounder of a Boston investment bank that had a deal-sharing arrangement with Lehman. Falvey said he didn’t expect his company would be financially hurt by Lehman’s demise but was more concerned about the overall financial environment. ‘We can’t see the bottom right now,’ he said. ‘That’s the most worrisome thing.’”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charon_(mythology)

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-16 08:13:26

High Infidelity
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“‘This crisis was borne of a simple excess of greed and speculation in one sector - real estate - by borrowers, lenders and financial middlemen,’ said Robert E. Cusack, chief investment officer at a money management firm in Providence. ‘Now that the collateral for all this borrowing has fallen in value, the stresses are enough to break those with enough exposure to it. Since this is as much a crisis of confidence as it is of money, there are no buyers of mortgage-backed paper in the markets. This makes things worse.’”

 
Comment by exeter
2008-09-16 08:31:15

Leave it to realtards in Saratoga, NY to believe (fun)Yun’s incessant, robotic line of $hit. Folks in those parts are about as desperate and gullible as you can get.

 
Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-09-16 08:38:23

Yun chastising Bernake, classic.

“Events of the last few days might make such economic optimism seem far-fetched. And even Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has predicted continuing housing market weakness. Yun, in fact, on Monday rebuked Bernanke for such predictions, saying if it’s inappropriate to forecast stock or oil prices, ‘it is inappropriate to comment on home prices, because people react to that.’”

Yo, Yun, maybe we should count all the comments you’ve made on “home” prices, you fool.

Comment by DinOR
2008-09-16 09:04:35

Lost in Utah,

Truly classic! Given the license taken by Lereah, what possible beef could NAR have? When “permanently high plateau” and “having equity in your home means you mismanaged your personal finances” were all the rage they certainly didn’t have any problem commenting on home prices?

Yun’s is totally off base to even make a comment like that.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-09-16 10:05:08

Sure does mess up Yun’s bottom calling calls lately . The real estate people are having a hard enough time as it is convincing people to buy now unless it’s a fire sale foreclosure . When everyone wants out ,nobody wants in .

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-09-16 10:58:23

Yun and the rest of the NAR dipsh*ts are the very definition of “self-serving”. They care more about helping the legions of Beemer driving Dom Perignon-guzzling realtors than serving their customers. Nothing Bernanke says is going to keep people from buying a home if they want one and can afford one.

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Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2008-09-16 10:23:39

Does he even listen to what he’s saying anymore?

Comment by DinOR
2008-09-16 10:32:34

Right, it’s just this desperate flailing and clutching at straws. Why I can’t recall ever seeing a man so utterly decimate his own credibility so quickly? The “This is a Wall Street problem, not a Main Street problem” quote that put it over the top for me.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2008-09-16 11:14:02

Exactly!

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Comment by cvca
2008-09-16 11:33:44

Dear Kettle,
You need to get that thing looked at. It doesn’t look right with all that black on it, and certainly looks inferior to the shine chrome look.

Sincerely,
Pot

Comment by DinOR
2008-09-16 11:54:00

cvca,

LOL! Been awhile, but.. still pretty damn funny! Precisely, would WS have been pumping out endless alphabet soup products had it not been for the furious and unrelenting NAR demand?

Right, they’re going to incur all kinds of underwriting and legal expense rolling out offering after offering expecting absolutely nothing in return. You know, just in case there was ’some’ interest down the road?! Sure.

 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2008-09-16 08:39:58

“‘The winter months are always weaker (for home sales), but this winter will be better than last winter,’ he said. ‘There is this great pent-up demand that cannot be held back any further.’”

And what about the excess supply — REOs that can’t be kept on the books any longer?

The kids aren’t getting jobs next spring. Goodbye household formation.

Comment by jane
2008-09-17 17:14:47

Umm… the kids didn’t get jobs LAST spring. The ones who were on the ball, after being knocked around for several months, joined the military.

The ones who have parents on the ball will STAY in the military. They will be fed, housed, given useful things to do, and will learn to knock the entitlement chips off their shoulders.

When they come out, they will get jobs. Good ones, if they want them. I am a fairly high level consultant, have called many a retired officer “boss”, and am a better person for having been on their teams. Not to mention, better positioned against RIFs. They really believe in that “giving your teammate a leg up” thing, and I have benefited from their referrals.

Do you have any idea how much skilled airframe mechanics make?

Makes me chuckle. Skilled craftsmen. The nouveau elite.

 
 
Comment by hd74man
2008-09-16 08:44:44

“Boston workers were bracing yesterday for hundreds of job losses as the financial world reeled from the bankruptcy filing of Lehman Brothers and the planned $50 billion takeover of Merrill Lynch by Bank of America.”

Hmmm…tits up for financial and real estates services.

Looks like one leg of the old New England economy milking stool has rotted away.

Gonna be interesting how public education and health care for legions of the walking dead of Medicare/Medicaid can carry the load.

But, Duval Patrick with his taxpayer financed billion dollar subsidy to the BIO-TECH industry which employs a whopping 2.3% of the Mazzland workforce will save the day.

We are Wal-Mart Nation.

Comment by Asparagus
2008-09-16 08:58:55

Boston has a lot of mutual funds and banks that make money from Assets under Management. As those assets shrink, the fees shrink. I think it’s going to be a long winter here in Boston.

Maybe everyone can go to work for Harvard University.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-09-16 09:41:25

Having worked for two universities, I can vouch for the fact that such employment pays poorly.

 
Comment by palmetto
2008-09-16 11:11:19

“Maybe everyone can go to work for Harvard University.”

You know, that wouldn’t be a bad idea. We couldn’t possibly do worse than the bulk of their graduates, we might even do better. That goes for the rest of the Ivy League as well.

 
 
 
Comment by Incredulous (the original)
2008-09-16 08:57:23

Per Yun:

‘There is this great pent-up demand that cannot be held back any further.’”

Is he talking about house sales, diarrhea, or orgasms? Apparently, they’re the same where bubble real estate is involved.

Comment by Leighsong
2008-09-16 10:21:24

OMG - that was laugh out loud funny!

Thanks,
Leigh

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-09-16 10:25:18

But ,on the bright side ,maybe the pent up demand is for a new world
order of sanity . Maybe the sheep are getting sick of investments and
bubbles and consuming or buying cheap stuff from China they can’t afford . Maybe people have a pent up demand for law and order and justice and maybe being able to make ends meet or get jobs that can actually pay the bills .

Maybe there is a pent up demand for real jobs in American ,instead of the bottom line for Corporations as they sell out and buy out the
politicians . Maybe there is a pent up demand in Americans to survive .
Screw Wall Street with their bubbles and schemes to fleece the middle class and even the upper middle class .

Maybe the people have a pent up demand for wage increase instead of nothing but inflation whereby the Corporations can pass on the increased costs . Maybe this time Wall Street and Big Business just went a little to far with the Ponzi schemes and they took to much while leaving the sheep BK .Now the sheep are bk-ing them and taking everyone down . Maybe the sheep realize that they can’t live on debt and they need income and good life-providing jobs . Maybe the sheep realize now that the get rich quick quick schemes only work for the chosen few .

Comment by DinOR
2008-09-16 11:31:41

Housing Wizard,

Absolutely. Typically this crowd is ahead of the curve but rank and file Americans need something they can sink their teeth into. Something with traction, a lifestyle that’s sustainable. It’s just a spark now but I feel it’s catching.

Clearly one of my biggest issues with the Boom was that no one cared about their source of employment “in” the workforce as they didn’t see themselves as being “in” it all that much longer? ( What with the way their home is “appreciating” and all! )

I like where you’re going with this.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-09-16 15:43:30

DinOR …I went away ,so this is a delayed response . I could not believe it last night when I heard some Main Stream Media Talking Heads start talking about jobs and the trade policies with China and saving the middle class .Apparently some people with some influence are really giving it some real thought about what the answers are for the mess America is in .

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Comment by Mormon_Tea
2008-09-16 10:41:21

eh ha ha ha good one.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-16 09:01:08

L.Y.’r conveniently forgets to mention anything about HELOCS, the route of financial evil.
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“But Lawrence Yun, the chief economist for the National Association of Realtors, said the foreclosure crisis has been hyped, pointing out that only one of every 100 American households has been foreclosed upon. ‘It’s very high from a historical point of view, but it’s not as if people are falling apart right and left,’ he said. ‘It’s important to put that in perspective.’”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-09-16 09:39:19

HELOCs: The financial equivalent of WMDs.

 
Comment by CrookCounty
2008-09-16 23:15:01

Only 1 of 100 foreclosed upon so far. That’s a long way from 1 in every 5 or 1 in every 4. Either it’s still kind of early in the game, or we are going for record overtime, record extra innings, before all is said and done.

“99 mortgages of houses on the market, 99 houses for sale.
Foreclose one down, flip it around,
98 mortgages of houses on the market.”

 
 
Comment by BP
2008-09-16 09:45:11

Could someone explain to me how Obama’s plan to reform bankruptcy so people are “allowed” to keep their homes will help this crisis? Would it not greatly exacerbate the crisis by freezing lending all together?

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-09-16 11:03:22

How about providing a link?

With so many already-debunked lies out there floating around about what Obama supposedly says or thinks, I don’t even know if it’s worth trying to explain.

 
Comment by JohnF
2008-09-16 11:24:53

There is no good answer to our overlevereged economy, but politicians of all stripes feel they have to say something to “solve the proble”. There is no “solution”, only pain - in various doses and of various lengths.

No matter who wins in November, they will be blamed for the last 20 years of fiscal malfeasance.

 
Comment by Kirisdad
2008-09-16 11:33:00

Ssshhhh!!! be quiet BP, it doesn’t matter if it prolongs the bubble or worsens the crisis. Obama is our savior and besides, we can always blame Bush. Now pipe down, drink some Kool-aid and it will all be over soon.

Comment by DinOR
2008-09-16 11:59:56

Actually, of all people, BofA had a “White Paper” report on each candidates position on various issues. TO… his credit B.O is for doing away with the Cap Gains exemption for “primary” homes. THAT in and of itself merits considerable credit!

( Of course it’s all moot for the next decade or so… ) but unless and until we address that, the REIC Legions will be lined up to bottom feed and it’s also part of the reason your home can still be considered an “investment”.

Comment by climber
2008-09-16 12:16:00

Not really. Cap gains on your house is basically an inflation tax. Over the long term houses only go up at the rate of inflation, so there is no gain in real terms. Why should you have to pay tax just for having kept up with inflation?

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Comment by DinOR
2008-09-16 12:46:14

climber,

Agreed. That is until we lifted it and suddenly homes are handily outpacing inflation altogether. When you buy a home and as little as two years later sell it for 250/500k for more than you paid for it, we’re talking “early retirement” ( not just a getting a pass on inflation )

I’ve been down this chicken or the egg path before and the proof is in the pudding. Previous to 1997… I’ll absolutely agree. Prior to that, we never had issues. My suggestion has always been to leave the exemption in place, but for God’s sake move the damn thing out to 5 or even 10 years!

The only thing it’s managed to do is destabilize neighborhoods, encourage fraud in people that have never had an overdue library book and generate commissions for NAR.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-09-16 15:56:14

Right on DinOR, make it a every 10 years capital gains exclusion to smoke out the flippers . That every two year
exclusion was a set up for selling real estate as a 2 year capital gains free investment .The original intent of the one time exclusion ,that was in place for decades, was actually to aid a retiring party .
Lets face it , the real estate industry and Wall Street used this
new Tax Law to sell real estate like it was a stock ,and a stock to be leveraged at that .

 
Comment by CrookCounty
2008-09-16 23:23:35

Don’t forget that the Federal Reserve was DOUBLING the money supply every 7-8 years! While controlling “inflation” by making sure wage inflation didn’t occur, and of course removing all “volatile” components of the official CPI inflation statistic measurement.

 
 
 
 
Comment by polly
2008-09-16 12:07:36

No, it would increase the speed of the price correction by causing lenders to tighten their lending standards even further. Wouldn’t it be great if a bank insisted that it would never, ever , ever lend more on a house than the present value of the future payments the house would generate as rent adjusted down to take into account cost of taxes, repairs, etc. It would force all house prices involving mortgages to be set near the investment value.

Comment by exeter
2008-09-16 12:12:19

Excellent analysis Polly. Now if we could only get *someone* to provide evidence of this proposal.

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2008-09-16 14:14:51
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Comment by Incredulous
2008-09-16 14:26:47

Excuse me, Exeter, but it was all over the news this afternoon, Tuesday, September 16th. Obama TODAY gave a speech in which this was his answer to the problem: stopping foreclosures and letting everyone stay in their houses while they renegotiated their payments. Meanwhile Joe Biden was out blaming McCain and the Republicans for the housing bubble, ignoring Obama’s sweetheart loan from Countrywide, all the Democrats in Washington upside down on THEIR sweetheard loans, all the bailouts pushed by Democrats (and voted for by both parties), or the fact that the bubble was worldwide, not local.

I am not going to search YouTube for links, since you can easily go turn on the evening news to see for yourself, but I think it’s interesting that you try to ridicule a bit of information simply because it doesn’t coincide with your own political pipedreams.

You are still operating under the fantasy that elected Democrats are GOOD and elected Republicans are BAD, but on a scale of evolution, I suspect they’d balance exactly.

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Comment by exeter
2008-09-16 18:36:27

“elected Democrats are GOOD and elected Republicans are BAD”

You’re progressing nicely Incredulous. Kudos to you.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2008-09-16 09:54:35

““The reason for that gap, in Yun’s view, is eroding consumer confidence largely caused by negativity, both in the media and elsewhere, about the market. Yun, by contrast, is more optimistic, believing the housing slump is nearly over.”
That’s one problem with our entire financial system. They tend to confuse delusional with optimistic. Yun is not optimistic, he’s delusional. Goes the other way as well. If somebody (like Roubini or Schiff) give a realistic assesment of the situation they’re called pessimistic.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-16 09:59:03

“You will find that the truth is often unpopular and the contest between agreeable fancy and disagreeable fact is unequal. For, in the vernacular, we Americans are suckers for good news.”

Adlai E. Stevenson

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-09-16 11:48:31

‘Yun is not optimistic, he’s delusional.’

Yes, thank you. I have oft complained about that distinction. I am quite ‘optimistic’ most of the time, but not like, you know, retarded and needing medication ‘optimistic’. (I hope, anyhow)
Jeezily, what this F*ooktard Yun is displaying is ‘Pollyanna on meth, having ripped off her pinafore and pounded the shite out of the milkman with her crutches and now swinging through the trees howling and naked’ sort of utter and complete CRAZINESS. Nothing so innocent as simple ‘optimism’.

 
Comment by climber
2008-09-16 12:13:57

Actually it’s Roubinin and Shiff they call delusional.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-16 12:40:51

Roubini comes off as clammy as an undertaker quite sure that the corpus derelicti isn’t coming back to life anytime soon…

I was watching the PBS Newshour yesterday and some clown named Dianne Swonk was relentlessly hyping her firm’s acquiring leftovers from Bear Stearns & Lehman, while Roubini calmly dispatched our economy, with an economy of emotion.

 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2008-09-16 10:01:06

Another instant reading.

Why make your lunch when you are the only person in Midtown Manhattan who can pay by cash and not credit. I went to a hole in the wall pizza place on a side street, no more than the size of a typical kitchen, with no seats — you stand up and eat at a narrow counter, with a narrow aisle between you and the kitchen area.

Usually it’s wall to wall in there, with a line and crowding and jostling like the subway at rush hour.

Today — nearly empty. The guy said he was getting delivery orders — no one would leave the office. I ordered a calzone instead of a slice, on the grounds that the place could use the money.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-09-16 10:21:05

A lot of small food places don’t take plastic. Why? Because it’s expensive.

Complain all you want about nuisance fees on the consumer side, because you ain’t seen nothing yet. Go into business, take plastic, and you’ll get charged this fee, that fee, and the other fee.

That’s why a lot of small businesses don’t take plastic.

Comment by palmetto
2008-09-16 11:07:05

Yah, I don’t take plastic. I have to laugh at some of the folks selling on line. They jump up and down about selling a bunch of widgets for a buck or two and get fee’d to death by Paypal and other services, but hey, THEY GOT A SALE! Too bad it cost them more to make that sale than they got.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-09-16 12:44:20

I don’t take plastic either.

And, as an aside, I had a doctor’s appointment a couple of weeks ago. When the office called to confirm, I asked what the fee range would be and how they accepted payment.

You’re not gonna believe this, but this is a doctor’s office that doesn’t take plastic. You can write a check or give ‘em cash.

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Comment by tresho
2008-09-16 15:44:13

A few years ago I shopped around for a sleep study, found a local specialist who actually agreed by email to give me a 50% discount if I paid by cash or check for the study.

 
 
 
 
Comment by bluprint
2008-09-16 11:00:24

My wife, father, brother and I went to the big apple in Feb of last year to celebrate my grandpa turning 100. Cold (windy and cold) as sh!t. Neat town though. Unbelievably huge…I’m still amazed at how everything keeps going ALL THE TIME.

Anyway, my brother and I made the committment we were going to eat a slice of the famous NYC pizza every time we passed a place that sold it. The one rule was we wouldn’t cross the street, we had to pass right by it. I don’t know how far we walked the first two days, but we had tons of pizza. Good times…

 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-09-16 11:05:58

I don’t get it…why aren’t people leaving their offices?

Comment by polly
2008-09-16 12:38:07

If you have any stuff at your desk that you want to take home, and are worried that a lay off is iminent, it is better not to leave. They can turn off your key card while you are gone and just send what they feel like giving back to you at a later date, or just thow it out or keep it/let the peons who are cleaning out your office steal it.

Or they are watching the market on their computers and can’t pull themselves away.

 
 
 
Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-09-16 10:27:26

the CRA act
even simpler

 
Comment by Roy G Biv
2008-09-16 10:39:58

Say what you want about NY’ers being upitty uppers, but there are Millions of regular folk just looking for a job, and if it is a clerk at small or big name establishment … they [me] take it. Now to make a career of knowingly cheating that is something else. My 2% of our present fiat note.

Comment by pos
2008-09-16 11:59:09

I don’t know what you are saying, but no one here cries when we hear of the Wall Street workers losing their $1,000,000/year job. There are a lot of wealthy NY’ers that don’t contribute enough to our society to deserve the high pay. If they all retired the country would continue on as before.

Comment by DinOR
2008-09-16 12:03:41

I think Roy was addressing all the unsung folks in the Margin Dept. , Compliance Dept. , Annuity Marketing Dept. etc. that *aren’t knocking down the ‘major’ bucks, take the subway to work and split a studio apt.

 
 
 
Comment by jimbo
2008-09-16 11:23:25

One more little OT on credit cards: Went to a beauty salon last week where the girls squeeze in male customers for $12 haircuts between their appointments. There’s a sign-in sheet, and when one of the girls finished with her appointmtment, and looked down at the sheet for a waiting male customer, up popped this guy about my age who had come into the salon long after me. I also popped up to see if he was trying to sneak in before me. As I approached the sign-in sheet, though, I could hear that he was not trying to beat me to a haircut; rather, he asked the girl if the salon accepted credit cards! She told him it did. Hey– people are smart!

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2008-09-16 11:28:21

Thanks for posting the Post Standard story on increasing foreclosures in the area.

Did you read the comments and notice the amount of people that were upset that the couples experiencing the foreclosures in the article were identified by name? I was surprised as sympathy for others isn’t always so apparent in every article response. I got the feeling the story appeared all too real for more than a few of my fellow readers.

 
Comment by FP
2008-09-16 11:56:13

“The former owners of the home, Andrew and Roxanna Crysler, hadn’t made a mortgage payment in 17 months, according to court records.”
“‘They never talked about it,’ neighbor Marie Temara said of the Cryslers. ‘They just left.’”

17 months of not paying a mortgage! They article says it was only a $90,000 house. What is it. $900 a month tops. You can make that working at a fast food joint. Interesting

Comment by exeter
2008-09-16 12:24:38

We’re talking NY my friend. A place where the monthly property tax escrow is higher than the mortgage payment. And besides, Onondaga County isn’t exactly a hub of economic activity. You might need two burger flippin’ jobs just to pay basic monthly living expenses.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2008-09-16 13:20:32

“Onondaga County isn’t exactly a hub of economic activity.”

Well unless you happen to live in one of the surrounding counties, and then it looks absolutely bustling!

 
 
 
Comment by beosguy
2008-09-16 11:59:20

“But Lawrence Yun, the chief economist for the National Association of Realtors, said the foreclosure crisis has been hyped, pointing out that only one of every 100 American households has been foreclosed upon.”

Poor Larry doesnt get it… 100% of homes didnt turn over in sales
over the past 8 years of the boom bubble years.. homeownership increased from 64 to 68% of total pie up 3-4%… so that 1% of 4%really is really 25-30% so far of the total that changed hands during the boom years… This is only a quarter or third of purchases that really failed…

That is why more than half of homes on sales today are coming back on market which were the same ones old during the boom years.
The prior sales are being undone….

We have yet to see the reset of Alt A and remaining which will mean as more than half of the increse in homeownership will revert back to 64% or so …

 
Comment by palmetto
2008-09-16 12:30:23

OT, but is anyone watching The Pig (Dow) today? What a bunch of sheeot. The Pig is Rigged fer sure. I don’t want to ever hear any more excuses about how unless such and so is bailed out the entire system will fail and we’ll all end up wearing barrels. Or, if the Fed doesn’t cut, we’re gonna starve. I mean, the Fed didn’t cut and The Pig is back up over 11. So who cares what anyone does or says? It Just. Doesn’t. Matter.

Comment by palmetto
2008-09-16 13:10:20

Wow, they really smeared that Pig’s snout with lipstick today, didn’t they? Un. Believeable. If this doesn’t prove that the markets are severely rigged, I dunno what would convince people. It should have dropped a lot more than it did yesterday, too, IMO.

 
 
Comment by aqius
2008-09-16 12:54:03

noticing more real estate “for sale/bank owned” signs popping up in yards all over the citrus heights area here in this northern Sacramento suburb.

personally hope the whole system locks up, spasms, then dies so maybe, just maybe we can get a “do over” to try something else.

the only people that piss n moan about the financial system collapsing are those that most benefit from skimming it. the average ham & egger who can actually contribute a measurable value can and will survive just fine, but the leeching white collar boyz will not willingly let the giant greedy outta control capitalist corpocracy come to an end, as they would have to (horrors) work with their hands in public instead of privately in your back pocket.

 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-09-16 12:54:36

“To applause from his Realtor audience, Yun said he had made that point in a letter to Bernanke.”

This is one rare occasion I wish I was Ben B. so I could take that letter and use it for TP , then send it back adrressed to Lawrence “Weasel Boy” Yun @ NALiars with a post it note telling him to F**k Off.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2008-09-16 14:46:17

“Marginal moron theory”—-what a great name for the phenomenon that most of us have been aware of for so long. I wish I had come up with that name.

Of course it was the more marginal buyers that got sucked in at the peak due to ridiculously-lowered lending standards. And it likely was the LEAST capable & MOST marginal who got sucked in at the last minute at the peak.

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“‘I have a theory — it’s called the marginal moron theory — which says that wrong people get into the markets for the wrong reasons at the wrong times,’ said Scott Rothbort, a finance professor at Seton Hall University.

 
Comment by Sing Expat
2008-09-16 17:36:51

Can someone please waterboard Yun or ship him off to Gitmo? He is guilty of furthering the greatest swindle in American history and has the audacity to continue to insist that all is well. Isn’t there a legal obligation for him to be fair and accurate? He is not acting as a private citizen, merely expressing his constitutional right to free speech. He is representing a financial interest both personally and corporately (in the looser sense of the term).

I believe that Yun, Lereah, and the heads of all the Wall Street banks are guilty of fraud and conspiracy. If they were not so rich and powerful, they would already be indicted under the RICO acts.

Houses are still, nationally, 30% too expensive. There is no contrary argument that holds water. Rental-price ratios, price-income ratios, inventories, and consumer financial health all point to much, much lower prices. All those claiming it’s a bottom are merely doing so based the market having dropped some magical percentage.

Imagine the captain of the Titanic telling the passengers, “We are 40% sunk, which has never happened before, so now it’s obvious we will start refloating again!”

Lereah, Yun, Greenspan, and Bernanke will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.

 
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