September 18, 2008

A Different Problem, But The Same Kind Of Bubble

The Flathead Beacon reports from Montana. “In the current national housing slowdown, real estate auctions have gained popularity as a way to speed sales in a sluggish or paralyzed market. Now, the trend has made its way to the Flathead Valley where next month 14 Whitefish condominiums will go to the highest bidder. Originally called The Views at Whitefish, the first phase, which includes 29 units, is all that’s been constructed so far. Fourteen of those 29 are currently unoccupied.”

“In an effort to speed up sales, the developers have hired a Newport Beach, Calif.-based real estate auctioneer, to sell the condos through its online division.”

“‘These are the last units and, rather than hang on to them in this market where who knows how long it will take to move them, the developers have decided they’d really like to see a complete community,’ Kelly Lovegrove, the company’s director of operations and marketing, said. ‘Things were easier a few years ago when homes were flying like hot cakes, but there’s more uncertainty now.’”

“Previously priced around $320,000, minimum bids for many of the units are now about $150,000. Bidding for one furnished unit starts at $99,000.”

“Home sales in Flathead County were down 28.4 percent in the first half of 2008 from last year at the same time. ‘I think probably once we’re done with this auction and people see how it works and the results, I wouldn’t be too surprised if we’re not back in Montana again soon,’ she said.”

The Yakima Herald Republic from Washington. “The Vineyards Resort, touted during groundbreaking just a week ago as a major springboard for development in the Yakima Valley, is fighting foreclosure. The loan for the Vineyards is among 10 now in dispute…that total more than $217 million for golf-course developments in six states: California, Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, Massachusetts and Washington.”

“It’s unclear what foreclosure would mean for the estimated 30 investors who have committed $250,000 each to reserve a home site.”

“Paul Larson, the Yakima attorney for the Vineyards developers, said Monday the development finds itself caught up the crisis in the financial sector that has seen traditional sources of capital dry up and loan requirements tightened.”

“‘This is a very difficult time, no matter how good your project looks,’ Larson said. ‘Stark doesn’t want to own a golf course and housing development. We don’t have the money to pay for it until we get financing. It is a problem with everything in the equity mortgage crises we are having.’”

The Kitsap Sun from Washington. “Bremerton’s community renewal agency has been granted more time to pay off a construction loan for the Harborside Condominiums. The remaining $4.9 million on a $25 million loan was due in July. Bank of America recently gave the Kitsap County Consolidated Housing Authority an extra six months to pay the first $1 million and a year for the remainder, Sarah Lee, the housing group’s deputy executive director, said.”

“‘This is not that unusual,’ Lee said. ‘You figure out when you think a construction loan is going to be paid off and sometimes you miss that guess.’”

“Thirty-four of the 78 units along the Bremerton waterfront were sold, with the proceeds satisfying most of the loan, before a souring economy stifled offers. At the neighboring condominium complex that was built at the same time, The 400, 28 units in the 70-unit facility were offered but no offers met the reserve bid at the May auction. Owners did enter negotiations on 18 of those offers.”

“To revive interest in the Harborside, now the housing authority has lowered condo prices and is offering incentive packages, Lee said.”

“The list price on the smallest home - a one-bedroom, one-bathroom, 800-square-foot unit - was cut from $345,000 in early August to $310,500 today. A 2,642-square-foot unit with three bedrooms and 2 ½ baths dropped from $1.6 million to $1.15 million. Incentives now include such amenities as boat moorage and YMCA memberships, Lee said.”

“Should the housing authority default on the debt, Kitsap County would be responsible for it because in 2005 it agreed to be in a junior position on the loan. The county is also backing up $22.2 million in bonds that were issued to pay for the project, which will come due next fall.”

“‘We’re spending a lot of time on this issue right now because I think we’re concerned that it will ripple down to the county if it isn’t managed at the housing authority level,’ county Commissioner Steve Bauer said during a candidate forum.”

The Olympian from Washington. “A slower housing market and higher fuel prices were on the minds of vendors and visitors on the first day of the Olympia Master Builders 2008 Big Home and Garden Show.”

“Adair Homes, a longtime home builder in Tumwater, had no trouble selling homes in the red-hot real estate market of 2005 and 2006, construction superintendent Terry Hayes said. In the past, Adair Homes received much of its business through referrals, but it now finds itself increasing its marketing efforts, Hayes said.”

“When the Thurston County housing market was stronger, Adair sold about 120 homes annually, but it now builds about half that amount, he said.”

“The South Sound housing market has considerably cooled since more than 4,000 homes sold here in 2006. Last month, home sales fell 31 percent in the year-over-year period ending in August, and prices dropped nearly 8 percent, according to Northwest MLS data.”

“Al Lucas of Lacey said he frequently comes to the show to get tips and ideas for the home he wants to buy or build someday. Lucas owns a manufactured home but would like to own property with more privacy on a larger lot, he said. Still, he has some concerns about the economy.”

“‘The way (house) prices are dropping, I don’t want to wait six months and find out I could’ve got it for less,’ he said.”

The Seattle PI from Washington. “Washington’s unemployment rate last month reached its highest level in nearly four years, and the number of people looking for jobs is only expected to grow. More than 200,000 people unsuccessfully sought work in August, as the jobless rate reached 6 percent.”

“The last time Washington’s unemployment rate was this high was in October 2004, according to the state Employment Security Department.”

“‘It’s a little scary, and it’s a little sad to see people with 10 years under their belt get laid off,” said Karen Ford, a branch manager for the AppleOne employment agency in Seattle. She’s seen an increase in clients looking for work. ‘A lot of companies here are shrinking their overhead. A lot of companies are cutting down to a four-day week or asking people to go part time,’ she said.”

“Washington economists had said at the beginning of the year that the Puget Sound region was buffered from the nation’s woes because of successful companies such as Microsoft and Boeing, and because this region heavily trades with booming economies in Asia.”

“‘That was true for a while,’ said Dick Conway, economist and co-publisher of The Puget Sound Economic Forecaster. ‘But everything fell apart with the collapse of the credit and housing markets. We have been surprised at how quickly the economy has changed. It’s just incredible. It’s very reminiscent of the dot-com bust, which was a different kind of problem, but the same kind of economic bubble.’”

The Statesman Journal from Oregon. “At 5:30 a.m. Tuesday, James Stanley was in line, looking for a job. And he wasn’t first. Last month, there were more than 120,000 workers like Stanley who were unemployed in Oregon. The state’s jobless rate rose to 6.5 percent, its highest level in three years, according to Oregon Employment Department.”

“The greatest losses were in logging, construction and manufacturing, affecting mostly blue-collar workers, said Art Ayre, a state employment economist. The downturn in the financial activities sector primarily was felt by mortgage brokers and real estate agents, he said.”

“Experts blame the continuing problems in housing, credit and financial areas that have created unease on Wall Street. ‘We’ve seen this before, but now it’s a bit more intensified,’ said Oregon state economist Tom Potiowsky.”

The Oregonian. “Clark County, once a land of construction plenty, is looking a tad thin these days. Home sales are down 30 percent compared with last year. Pending sales, new listings, average sale price, median sale price: all down.”

“The only thing that remains up is the amount of time it takes to sell a house — on average, a grueling 12.7 months, according to the Regional MLS.”

“On top of that, the 8.2 percent August unemployment rate in Clark County reported Tuesday is the highest in about four years. Not surprisingly, the downturn in construction jobs was the main culprit for August’s higher rate.”

“Nearly 18,000 people are out of work in the county, according to state Employment Security Department data released Tuesday. ‘That’s a lot of people,’ said Bart Phillips, president of the Columbia River Economic Development Council, noting that it was the largest number he could recall in his eight years on the job.”

“Any one of nearly a half dozen large house builders in the county — each of which invested heavily in building homes of $300,000 to $500,000 — is believed to be teetering.”

“‘We’re not at the bottom yet,’ said Troy Hershey, a Clark County real estate broker.”

“Even David Roewe, head of the Building Industry Association of Clark County, a cheerleader for the industry, acknowledged of higher prices houses: ‘You can’t give those away right now.’”

“RMLS reported that the Portland region’s median home price in August was down 7.3 percent compared to August 2007, the biggest decline since record keeping began in 1992.”

“Wells Fargo economist Ed Kashmarek points out that, according to the Case-Shiller index, Portland’s home price declines aren’t as bad as the rest of the nation. But he added: ‘The fact that Portland home prices rose more and peaked later than national prices suggests steeper declines likely lie ahead.’”

“Single-family housing starts were down 47 percent in the second quarter. The Portland market had 13,700 starts in 2002 before the boom. But Kashmarek forecasts just 8,400 starts in 2008 and 7,900 in 2009. The second quarter foreclosure rate was 1.1 percent compared to .4 percent in the second quarter of 2007.”

“Kashmarek suggests in his latest Portland report that condo prices ‘may have to come down 10 to 15 percent more, maybe even up to 40 percent, in order to move inventory.’”




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Comment by Not Mssing It
2008-09-18 11:55:12

Found this. It is for yesterdays “Fresno Bee” California Thread

http://host.stationality.com/~kmj580/news.php?id=news20080917184315&pollId=300

Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-18 12:32:44

Killing yourself over a failed 2 hole golf course in Fresno seems like, well, overkill.

 
Comment by Curt
2008-09-18 12:38:08

BTW, it’s Tom O’mera, not Mark.

But these guys are pros at something:

The state Department of Real Estate in July accused the men of defrauding 10 investors of about $6 million by allegedly selling the same lots to multiple buyers, telling investors they were buying parcels within the 780-lot development when they actually were outside, and misleading people into thinking their investments were secured by property within the project.

O’Meara said the project failed because financing that he was promised never came through. He denied intentions to defraud.

http://www.fresnobee.com/business/story/872967.html

 
Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2008-09-18 12:43:28

His company’s real estate license was revoked, he was accused of defrauding 10 investors of $6 million. And the coroner doesn’t know the cause of death?
Let me guess (keep in mind that this is only a guess, and that I’m not a licensed coroner) — SUICIDE, maybe?

Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-18 12:47:09

Living in Fresno is grounds enough to do oneself in, so it’s not nearly as clear-cut as you might think.

Comment by milkcrate
2008-09-18 15:45:06

Too many tummy rubs, too few genies.

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-18 16:21:04

“When a great genius appears in the world the dunces are all in confederacy against him.”

Jonathon Swift

 
 
 
Comment by homepop
2008-09-18 15:12:29

It seems to me that there might be 10 people/investors who might know something about a cause of death…

 
 
 
Comment by SMF
2008-09-18 12:06:38

Condos are not selling like hotcakes anymore!!??

Who could have thought that…?

All you have to do is look around your town, and figure out how many condos were built in the last 20 years. If all of a sudden your town was full of them, then ask yourself why? If you have no answer for it, then you realize why it is a problem now.

I can’t wait till the McMansion bubble is noticed. I have noticed that in the Sacramento area, at least 80% of the McMansions for sale are all speculative. But since the typical McMansion builder actually put their own $$ in the deal, they are loathe to take an actual loss on their investment.

Think about it also this way:

Not only are they losing money in actual construction costs, but also on any time spent in the construction (that could have been used for other more productive endevours), but also on the missed opportunities of having a million $$s getting a 5% return (easy $150K in three years).

Comment by desertdweller
2008-09-18 16:40:47

Actually in the Flathead lake area, you might want to wait for a few more foreclosures for a HOUSE, rather than a condo with hoa’s etc.
It would seem that those expensive homes near or on the lake, might just be more affordable soon. Oh, maybe wintertime?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2008-09-18 12:07:09

Bank of America recently gave the Kitsap County Consolidated Housing Authority an extra six months to pay the first $1 million and a year for the remainder, Sarah Lee, the housing group’s deputy executive director, said.”

Damn, I would think (Sara Lee) could have a bake sale to raise the dough to pay off a little debt.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-09-18 12:15:40

Hooray! A PNW thread!

I wonder what effect WaMu’s bankruptcy will have on the economy here in WA? I’m not asking rhetorically, I really do wonder. Any guesses, anyone? I don’t bank with them, I haven’t paid attention to local employment numbers or anything. I’ve gone to a couple meetings in their big exciting building in Seattle, at which time I’ve noticed that they have nice furnishings and that their building smells like shiny evil.

You know, I’m feeling twitchy today. I’m always a bit fidgety, because I’m naturally caffeinated, but I believe this is anxiety. I shouldn’t be, because I’m doing a-ok, like most of us on this blog I suspect; financial house mostly in order. Then there’s the comforting shed full of firewood and a pantry full of wine and pasta, all cozy and ready for the rainy season, I oughta be sitting here annoyingly smug and serene, but man, look at this mess! We all knew it’d be bad, but Sweet Baby Jeebus! What if my neighbors decide I look nice and tender and come eat me or something? What if they steal my precious little green frogs and eat them? What if there’s rioting in the streets? Well—this IS Olympia, so rioting and protesting are casual hobbies, much like knitting, but what if there’s MEANINGFUL rioting in the streets?
Scary times, man.

Comment by snake charmer
2008-09-18 14:11:53

I recently was in your general neck of the woods — not the Olympic Peninsula, but in Rainier National Park, hiking the Wonderland Trail after driving up from Portland, Oregon. It was the first time in my five lifetime visits to the Pacific Northwest that the weather was sunny and clear. I can’t give a good outsider’s-view housing bubble report, but I can say that the Portland economy looks much stronger than Florida’s, and that there seemed to be comparatively fewer signs of major housing overreaching and distress, at least in the Tigard area.

On another note, I’d like to warn readers here that the Sheriff’s Department in Lewis County, Washington is quite vigilant in matters of speed enforcement.

Comment by MacAttack
2008-09-18 15:32:10

We’re late to the party. Clark County builders claim their low-end stuff (200K) is selling like hotcakes. May be, but the stuff on my side of the river at the low end is moving slowly. It’s moving, all right, but very slowly. The stuff 300-500K is not moving at all.

 
 
Comment by hd74man
2008-09-18 14:36:15

RE: ou know, I’m feeling twitchy today. I’m always a bit fidgety, because I’m naturally caffeinated, but I believe this is anxiety.

I have been away for a week on business.

Will you please provide information on where I can buy a copy of your “jumping jacks in high heels for reduction of ON-HOLD telephone stress” video?

 
Comment by Seattle Renter
2008-09-18 15:21:53

Good question OlyGal!

Several years back I did some work with WaMu. I say “with” because I wasn’t working for them, more like working for one of their vendors. Ok, exactly like working for one of their vendors(IT related).

Bear in mind this is PURELY my opinion, but I’d like to offer an addendum to your thought that they “smelled like shiny evil.” That’s a fair assessment, but it kind of denotes a level of competence(EVIL competence) that I’m not sure exists there.

Good example: a few years later, I applied for a job opening there for administering some of the systems that in fact I had helped design and plan. My resume never even made it out of the HR bit bucket.

The whole time I was there, I got the feeling that I was among the broker guys from the movie “Boiler Room.”

Some of this may have been by design though. (Disclaimer: This is PURE speculation). I got the real impression that they WANTED to have things in their IT infrastructure and databases way more complicated and convoluted than they should be.

If they were ever to get audited or investigated by the government, the systems are a total clusterfark and would take forever and the minds of the manhattan project to unravel. If any data, historical or otherwise ever went missing, it would be nearly impossible to trace.

Pure wild speculation on my part, but I’ve always wondered if they ran things like that on purpose……

Comment by Olympiagal
2008-09-18 19:34:45

Ooooh! Thanks for the onsite view. This is the sort of information that makes this blog so valuable.

 
 
 
Comment by Crash Random
2008-09-18 12:18:22

‘I think probably once we’re done with this auction and people see how it works and the results, I wouldn’t be too surprised if we’re not back in Montana again soon,’ she said.”

I think
probably
I wouldn’t be too surprised
not (spurious double negative)

Bold words!

Comment by Eggman
2008-09-18 13:50:38

I looked at that comment and realized there were mulitple way you could parse it. He thinks he’s saying he wouldn’t be surprised if they were back soon, but he actually says he wouldn’t be surprised if they’re not back for a good long time.

Comment by Ceylon Tea
2008-09-19 06:01:09

Yeah, I struggled with this one too, the key is that “how it works and the results” (top-notch results, I’m sure) will soon have them invited back to Montana to perform their magic!

 
 
 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-09-18 12:18:29

“Even David Roewe, head of the Building Industry Association of Clark County, a cheerleader for the industry, acknowledged of higher prices houses: ‘You can’t give those away right now.’”

LOL!!!

I’ll boost my karma score and take one off of your hands, if you’re giving them away. Always happy to do my part ;)

Comment by In Colorado
2008-09-18 12:48:53

I love the way they use the term “giving away”. If I tell people that I’m giving away purebred puppies and then ask them for 80% of the old market price when they show up, then I’m not realy “giving them away”, am I?

 
Comment by az_lender
2008-09-18 19:05:37

Apropros of higher-priced houses:

I have expressed respect for my cousin David who sold his Florida condo this past May/June for what he could get. Taking a minor loss and moving on. I have another cousin in a very expensive western area who put her $1.9M house on the market this Monday. MONDAY SEPTEMBER 16TH. Whom does she think she is kidding. The ad talks it up as a truly wonderful equestrian property. Oh yeah. People who are just trying to preserve capital are going to be very big on buying wonderful equestrian properties. LMAO.

 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-09-18 13:17:25

1.5 million for a condo in Bremerton? I lived in Bremerton for about a year. I just can’t see paying 1.5 mil for a condo in Bremerton or any where.

Comment by TJ_98370
2008-09-18 15:00:39

I be a current Kitsap County resident. The condos are part of a downtown Bremerton revitalization project. They are located next to the ferry to Seattle. I believe the idea was to entice affluent downtown Seattle workers to buy. It’s obviously not working.

With Kitsap County having a median household income of $45K, these condos are definitely a strech for the average Kitsap resident. Even if you could afford it, for $1.15 million you could buy a very nice waterfront place on rural Bainbridge Island, why in the world would you pay $1.15 million to live in a downtown condo in a blue-collar town?

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-09-18 15:16:45

TJ,

I remember the area around the ferry. Didn’t seem to be so bad when I lived there 78-79. Is the Navy shipyard still there? I know someone else answered this for me, just can’t remember what they said.

Comment by TJ_98370
2008-09-18 15:23:15

Yes, the shipyard is still there and remains the major employer of Kitsap. There has been some major downsizing since the mid 90’s. The condos featured in the posted article are almost right next to the shipyard.

I’m not saying that downtown Bremerton is particularly bad. I’m saying that for the money they are asking for those condos, there are much better options elsewhere in the county.

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Comment by Crusader
2008-09-18 19:27:41

The ONLY place I’d consider would be Monte Carlo.

 
Comment by uptown
2008-09-19 14:02:36

Those condos are not cometative with the local housing -

You can buy a nice Manette neighborhood property across from downtown (easy bridge access) for just $595,000.
3 bdr, 1.75 bath, 2500 sq ft on 80 ft of waterfront.
MLS#28024534

or 160 ft of waterfront, actually 3 lots, for $639,000. House is sold as-is.
MLS#28060320

 
 
Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2008-09-18 13:21:28

“Incentives now include such amenities as boat moorage and YMCA memberships.”

Young man, there’s no need to feel down.
I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground.
I said, young man, ’cause you’re in a new town
There’s no need to be unhappy.

Young man, there’s a place you can go.
I said, young man, when you’re short on your dough.
You can stay there, and I’m sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time.

It’s fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A.
It’s fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A.

Comment by JackRussell
2008-09-18 18:58:00

YMCA memberships? Why don’t they throw in a Netflix membership while they are at it. Maybe even a library card..

 
 
Comment by Ncarolina
2008-09-18 14:03:14

Off topic but I thought you might enjoy this. A friend of my brother and his wife just got a HELOC through a broker. The broker calls up the wife the next week and asked to borrow some money!!

I guess he figures they haven’t spent it all yet.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-09-18 14:10:35

What a stupid broker. Doesn’t he realize that such antics could land him on…

…The Housing Bubble Blog?

 
 
Comment by MEaston
2008-09-18 14:29:32

Here is the next bubble
Tents

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_on_re_us/tent_cities;_ylt=AjJEdnKPvcPHqHOFobblmEKs0NUE

Can I get a 500,000 dollar no doc, 50 year loan, with nothing down for a good 4 man tent.

Bank can then sell the mortgage to the FEDS and skim 2% for processing.

 
Comment by Knife Magnet
2008-09-18 14:40:11

OT Question:

I have a 401K invested in Dodge & Cox, Morgan Stanley Institutional Fund Trust, Fidelity Diversified International Fund, and PIMCO. I’d say the total balance is already down 20%+. Should I just move it to (relatively more) stable bond investements, ie PIMCO, or should I just stay put? I’m still pretty far off from retirement. Long-term, it should be ok, right?

I suppose I just need re-assurance if I stay put, or sound advice if I need to move. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Comment by Next Shoe To Drop
2008-09-18 17:35:59

Not investment advice by any means (hey it’s your decision if you even listen to what I say here), but I’ve moved everything in my 401k into a very well respected money-market fund making ~3% for the time being. I’m out of bonds, stocks, commodities, precious metals, etc. Just keeping it simple as everything else melts around me. I don’t want to touch anything besides MAYBE short term duration govt bonds and won’t touch corp bonds or stocks at this point.

rob

 
Comment by arizonadude
2008-09-18 18:11:25

Let it ride.The short sellers have been in control for awhile.They want you to panic.No one ever made a dime from panic.I have been adding to positions.I stay away from gold.Stick to quality mutual funds.These are the best time to invest.Buy panic and sell greed.

 
Comment by Knife Magnet
2008-09-19 16:32:49

Thanks for the input. Much appreciated.

 
 
Comment by MacAttack
2008-09-18 15:29:54

PNW’s time in the toilet. About Adair’s marketing:

“Adair Homes, a longtime home builder in Tumwater, had no trouble selling homes in the red-hot real estate market of 2005 and 2006, construction superintendent Terry Hayes said. In the past, Adair Homes received much of its business through referrals, but it now finds itself increasing its marketing efforts, Hayes said.”

They compete on the low end by saying they build “real” homes with studs, nails, etc… as opposed to manufactured homes. Nothing like insulting your potential customers. They offered no options until recently (now exterior only) so you got a cookie cutter house at a low price. The houses are fine, I suppose, but we ended up buying a manufactured one. It was customizable and cost only slightly more, with some nice features.

Comment by wmbz
2008-09-18 15:49:26

“Adair Homes, a longtime home builder in Tumwater, had no trouble selling homes in the red-hot real estate market of 2005 and 2006, construction superintendent Terry Hayes said.

Who the hell had a ‘hard’ time selling during the red-hot market? Any turd could sell a house. This dweeb is going to have to work to sell one now… Imagine that, putting forth effort.

 
 
Comment by Amy98058
2008-09-18 16:09:51

Quadrant Homes to Reduce Workforce
The company will lay off 45 associates, bringing the total regional workforce to approximately 180. The layoffs will impact associates from the company’s corporate headquarters in Bellevue, Washington as well as those at field locations throughout the six western Washington counties in which Quadrant operates.
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2008/09/15/daily33.html

 
Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2008-09-18 16:19:35

Is anybody else as pissed-off as I am by Mr. Hankie’s proposal to create a garbage can that banks can shovel all their balance sheet crap into?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-09-18 16:23:00

Count me in that category. And I want to know where the garbage can for MY balance sheet crap is. When’s it gonna show up?

Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-09-18 16:46:19

Oh darn ,this darn garbage bin idea is gaining teeth if you just go by
the boob tube . Hasn’t it always been about how to pass the garbage to the taxpayers ? This is insulting .

 
 
Comment by Blano
2008-09-18 16:44:17

Absolutely. Along with the temporary ban on short selling.

Comment by arizonadude
2008-09-18 18:13:04

Jim cramer thinks terrorists are doing all the short selling.It is all bind ladens fault.Who do we invade next?

Comment by Pen
2008-09-18 18:58:22

Yes, there are terrorists and their called CEOs.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-09-18 20:16:54

When are people going to realize that Crammer is a shill for Wall Street ,and he just wants his little show where he makes stock picks in a bull bubble market . If the people who watched his show knew how much he was stabbing them in the back and all the mad money they might make will be eaten up by inflation and future taxes . Crammer is a bubble promoter ,as all creeps like him are .

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by need 2 leave ca
2008-09-18 16:55:44

This house struck me as really butt-ugly and way overpriced. Anyone else agree. This is in Albuquerque NM. Available as a short sale.

http://www.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?zp=87122&ml=3&mnp=31&mxp=30&typ=1&sid=359d4460252245d394478a36f0cd07a7&pg=2&lid=1100872315&lsn=11&srcnt=13#Detail

Comment by Pen
2008-09-18 18:36:11

Yes, it is ugly.

Are there no architects in New Mexico?

Is this tradional southwest? I have never been to there, but I have always thought/imagined that the architecture wouldn’t be quite so ugly.

 
Comment by implosion
2008-09-18 21:26:48

That looks a little too close to Paseo del Norte. Not exactly the SW adobe or territorial style. Bar down the road isn’t too bad though. Good HS for Abq. $100/ft2, max. For that price, I’d be looking in Sandia Heights.

 
 
Comment by need 2 leave ca
2008-09-18 16:58:10

Our friends are putting this house up for sale. I don’t think it will be an easy sell. They say they are having some struggles.

http://www.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?zp=87122&ml=3&mnp=31&mxp=30&typ=1&sid=359d4460252245d394478a36f0cd07a7&pg=2&lid=1103255482&lsn=12&srcnt=13

Comment by cvca
2008-09-18 21:47:20

ROFLMAO…. Perhaps its the estimated payments…

“Estimated Payment:
$25,656,600 Per Month*”

 
 
Comment by Big V
2008-09-18 18:15:54

THEIR NEW PLAN IS STUPID! They are going to set up an auction to buy MBSs from “the lowest bidder”, then try to sell them back into the market. Dudes, Paulson, Bernanke: Guess what? You can buy MBSs from the lowest asker RIGHT NOW on the MBS market. They are publicly-traded assets. You can sell them too if you want (at a loss). THE ONLY REASON NO ONE IS BUYING THE STUPID THINGS IS THAT THE CURRENT SELLERES WILL NOT ACCEPT THE CURRENT BIDS. So our government is going to pay more than what anyone else is willing to fork over? Is that the plan, guys? IS THAT IT?

Comment by Pen
2008-09-18 18:45:44

no. the plan is simple. give the banks a clean balance sheet, so they can begin the next it’s different this time boom-bust cycle.

I’ve pretty much had it and am ready to check-out and stop paying attention (maybe go fishin’). I know that’s what the politiciams want, but I’m pretty discouraged by it all.

Also thinking about hiding assets and collecting gov benefits like the rest of the leeches.

pretty bleak thoughts..no?

Comment by TJ_98370
2008-09-18 19:17:32

I’m almost there with ya, Pen.

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-09-18 20:11:22

Big V ,of course their plan is stupid . If you look back at RTC I ,the total cost was 123 billion . Loans were not packaged the same way in those days like the CDO’s of today ,and the ability to unload the foreclosures were not in a overbuilt market as we have today .

Look what the losses would be for the taxpayers today ,I mean they would be in the trillions .

Ben Jones has always said that we can’t afford these bail-outs ,and I agree . This BS that the taxpayers are going to get their money back regarding these bail-out are just so much bunk .

 
 
Comment by need 2 leave ca
2008-09-18 18:47:35

pen. nice comments.

a real architect was not used for this fugly house. There are some beautiful houses here. They missed that one.

 
Comment by Pen
2008-09-18 18:56:31

All kidding aside…

what would it take to mount an “election revolution” in a few years?

would it be possible to spend a few years doing a grass roots web campaign and win a hundred or so congressional seats?

Is it possible that the US voters might be sick enough of the direction the current leadership (both Republicans and Democrats) have taken us to actually give another party a shot?

I wonder if an AARP like organiztion could be formed to do this. I wonder if there is a Bill Gates, Michael Dell, Richard Branson or someone like that, who front the party a cool billion to work with.

Am I being over the top nutty?

Comment by desertdweller
2008-09-18 19:02:24

Bloomberg?
Ron Paul,

How about all four of the people running on the 3rd party ticket. A group of head leaders. Each with their own experience.

Oh my gosh, what am I saying.

Comment by Pen
2008-09-18 19:16:23

That’s exactly what I mean. I sort of believe it’s possible.

First start with a brand name and build the party around it. Completely exclude any current party candidates, nut jobs (leaves me out), lobbyists, etc. Include, normal people with records of success, no felonies, no DWIs, etc.

Hmm..it’s only 10:15 EST and I’m in REM sleep already.

Comment by implosion
2008-09-18 21:44:27

No DWIs? Leaves out Bill Gates.

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Comment by bluprint
2008-09-18 20:03:11

How about we just hang ~500 or so congressmen?

At the foot of the washington monument would seem appropriate. Capped with the super precious metal as it is.

 
 
Comment by borderbuster
2008-09-18 19:45:56

“The Vineyards Resort, touted during groundbreaking just a week ago as a major springboard for development in the Yakima Valley”

Been there, didn’t see 12.9m worth of development, maybe 1.29m and that is being generous.

and by the way, there is a reason why they call that place the “rattlesnake hills”

 
Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2008-09-18 19:55:25

now that we are going to use the 1990 Japan plan- any ideas on investing
I may go back to Canroys/trusts etc……….

anything

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2008-09-18 23:34:57

Ok, so the blackmailers …oh I mean lenders and Wall Street Investments firms are saying they can’t lend because they are tied up with bad paper .

So rather than the government taking all their bad toxic waste paper off their hands ,I got a idea . What doesn’t the same government just take that money that they would of used to purchase junk paper from private companies ,and just lend out the “New Money” themselves. After all the government is in control of F&F . At least the new paper would be better paper and it would solve the so-called credit squeeze.

 
Comment by M Gal
2008-09-22 11:10:24

The Missoulian has laid off so many reporters that the latest housing market story was written by an intern. He is so green that he has gone out on the limb the regular reporters have been studiously avoiding. The story begins, “The nationwide slump in the housing market has finally hit Missoula…”

http://missoulian.com/articles/2008/09/22/news/local/news03.txt

 
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