September 21, 2008

Up Like A Rocket, Down Just As Fast

A report from the Charleston Gazette. “For the second time in ten years, McDowell County is the scene of a major bank failure. On Friday evening, federal regulators announced they were taking over Ameribank, Inc. because of a series of bad debts tied to the foreclosure crisis. In 2003, bank officials decided they needed to expand to a high-growth area. It was ‘the thing we need to do for survival,’ said bank vice-chairman Jim Sutton.

“They opened their ninth branch in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida. Ameribank affiliated itself with a mortgage broker called Lending One, which made high-interest loans to speculators who bought up properties, fixed them and sold them for a profit.”

“It worked as long as housing prices went up. But when the housing bubble burst, the loans went bad, and Ameribank found itself in a world of hurt. David Hartman, president of Ameribank, blamed the bank’s troubles on its previous leadership.”

“‘For three or four years, it all worked fine,’ Hartman said. ‘But with the sub-prime market starting to dry up, the end buyers of these homes went away. I’ve never thought that loans made outside a bank’s normal market area is a good idea.’”

The Sun News from South Carolina. “Newly released home mortgage data for 2007 shows how speculators looking for quick and easy cash fueled and then burned Horry County’s real estate industry, but experts say last year’s numbers come nowhere close to reflecting the downturn currently under way in this area’s housing market.”

“The hardest hit areas were along the oceanfront, where a high percentage of loans went to investors looking to resell - or flip - properties as prices rose and the housing bubble grew. Some investors allowed those properties to go into foreclosure rather than making inflated mortgage payments.”

“Many mortgage closings in 2007 were for new homes and condominiums put under contract a year or two earlier, when the market was hot and prices still were rising.”

“‘With new construction, you sell them and then you build them and then you close on them,” said Rachel Broadhurst, who has operated a Myrtle Beach real estate agency for 35 years. ‘They were closing on sales that were made two years ago, so the higher prices [in 2007] didn’t really reflect the market at the time.’”

“It will be another year before federal data shows just how bad 2008 is, but Broadhurst and others say this is among the worst real estate markets they have seen. ‘This year has been murderous,’ Broadhurst said.”

“Nonoccupant loans accounted for 94.7 percent of all 2006 mortgages in the census tract that includes the Myrtle Beach oceanfront from roughly Third Avenue South to Springmaid Beach. Loans to investors accounted for at least 82 percent of all 2006 mortgages in the census tracts that stretch from Eighth Avenue North in Myrtle Beach to the Restaurant Row area.”

“Statistics show home values have dropped between 20 percent and 30 percent since a year ago, and Horry County is on pace to more than triple last year’s number of foreclosures.”

“‘I have never seen values drop this fast in 35 years of banking,’ said Walt Standish, chief executive of Myrtle Beach-based Beach First National Bank.”

The Orlando Sentinel in Florida. “Winter Park developer Steve Walsh was a charmer and deal maker, a businessman who had twice gone bankrupt and twice fought his way back. His suicide June 25 stunned his associates. Even more shocking have been the allegations since then.”

“Before Central Florida’s housing bubble burst and shattered Walsh’s dreams, his company, Broad Street Partners LLC, was working to develop nearly $1 billion worth of projects. He was good at getting people to invest with him.”

“‘Within a radius of about 10 to 12 feet, he was one of the most convincing people I’d ever met,’ said Charlotte, N.C., attorney Charles S. Daly. ‘If he could get within 12 feet of you, he could borrow money.’”

“Walsh and his wife had three homes, and in the summer, he would bounce between two of them: his $1.4 million home in Winter Park and his $2.6 million, 16-acre estate in Highlands, N.C., said close friend Gene Godbold.”

“‘He was a wonderful, wonderful man, a great friend, a great businessman, a man of great faith in God,’ Steve Schrimsher, a Walsh investor, said the day Walsh died. Schrimsher has since hired an auditor and filed suits accusing Walsh and his companies of stealing $20 million to $25 million.”

“In a court filing, Paula Walsh said that if her husband did steal money, she knew nothing about it and shouldn’t have to repay it.”

The St Petersburg Times. “Developers of Element, the still-incomplete 35-story downtown Tampa condominium tower, are considering converting much of the building into apartments until the housing market improves.”

“A shortage of qualified buyers forced the hand of Tampa Development LLC, whose completion of the neighboring SkyPoint condo tower was among the few success stories in the imploding urban condo market. Sales prices for the estimated 395 units range from about $220,000 to nearly $1-million. That’s proved to be too rich in a condo market where foreclosures and bankruptcies are rife.”

“Three prominent condo tower bankruptcies within sight of Element are Trump Tower Tampa, The Place at Channelside and The Towers of Channelside.”

“Christine Burdick, head of the Tampa Downtown Partnership, said the move makes sense: Better a vibrant apartment building than a half-empty condo tower. The partnership has banked on new downtown dwellers to stoke the city’s restaurant and arts scene.”

“‘There are a lot of people not eligible for mortgages and there’s a lot more renters,’ Burdick said.”

“As snapshots go, this ain’t pretty. But neither is it surprising: Hillsborough County had too many homes for sale and too few buyers this spring. Consequently, median home prices sagged.”

“Two factors could have depressed prices in Lutz, said Georg von Greiff of Keller Williams Realty. Some sales that closed in the spring of 2007 were negotiated in late 2006, when prices were still soaring. Compared to those 2006 prices, what homes sell for this year is a big dropoff.”

“Then there are the foreclosures and short sales of homes bought by people who speculated on rising prices and took out mortgages they couldn’t afford. ‘The newer the community … the more pronounced the decline in price,’ said von Greif.”

“East of Dale Mabry Highway and north of Gandy, a 21.7 percent drop in median price may have been influenced, in part, by the scarcity of buyers for new McMansions. ‘Those things shot up like a rocket, and they came down just as fast,’ said Tim Wilmath, the property appraiser’s director of valuation.”

“To avoid defaulting on her nearly $1,500 monthly house payment, Maria Folk sold a family boat, unhooked her cable, even canceled her household phone line. But when the New Port Richey resident has called her mortgage lender pleading for a reduction in her 7.8-percent adjustable mortgage, she gets mostly busy signals and answering machines.”

“‘Countrywide (her lender) is telling us this fairy tale that there are lower rates available,’ Folk says. ‘But they won’t return your phone calls.’”

From Bay News 9. “When Bob and Helen Kantner moved into their home in the Grasslands, they did so with the expectation that they would stay for a while. But now they find themselves unexpectedly trying to sell. The Kantners plan to move into Florida Presbyterian Homes, but they won’t be able to afford the rent there until they get rid of their mortgage.”

“They said they are also willing to take a loss. They bought their home in 2006, at the height of the real estate boom. Now, two years later, they are listing it for less than their purchase price.”

“Local realtors are trying to help by offering some tips to senior sellers to help them better navigate the real estate market. ‘Most of these people haven’t sold a home in a very long time,’ said Jan Bellamy with Remax Experts Realty. ‘So, we try to educate them on how to have their home priced right.’”

The Tampa Tribune. “The Florida attorney general’s office has sued 10 companies and 15 individuals for roles they may have played in a $37 million mortgage fraud scheme that involved 60 homes from Orange County to Pinellas County.”

“Attorney General Bill McCollum said his office has not served all the defendants with the lawsuit and that some might have gone to Trinidad, where some of the stolen money was stashed in accounts.”

“Tampa real estate agent Lori Polin was…was the first agent to help orchestrate the deals, the lawsuit states. At the time, she worked for a ReMax office in Clearwater. She persuaded sellers to increase their asking prices by several thousand dollars and earned about $165,250 in real estate commissions on eight sales, according to the lawsuit.”

“Polin, reached by telephone Thursday in her Tampa office, said, ‘I’ll have to say no comment at this time.’”

From WFLA 540. “McCollum says the ring leaders used straw buyers to inflate prices on dozens of homes in central Florida and obtained loans far in excess of what they are worth… loans they never intended to repay.”

“‘And they got the mortgage. They got the money. They got the cash. And they pocketed the difference,’ said McCollum. ‘In which ultimately, $6 million was siphoned off and sent to overseas banks, some of that in Trinidad. Some made it all the way to Australia.’”

“50 of the 61 houses used in the scam are now in foreclosure. ‘These 50 homes, they’re abandoned. They’re in good neighborhoods. Some of them are rat-infested. Some of them are driving down property values for the neighbors,’ said McCollum.”

The Miami Herald. “As many as 100 investment funds are shopping for South Florida real estate, hoping to buy extremely low during the current crisis. Their main target: condominium towers where developers and their lenders can’t sell enough units to pay off the loans used to build them.”

“‘The bottom fishers, if you will, have been standing around the sidelines,” said Victor Lopez, a former Hyatt development executive now assembling commercial deals. ‘A lot of people out there are saying: ‘This is our time to get in.’”

“Despite all the attention these funds receive in the media and in real-estate circles, only one or two significant bulk condo deals have actually closed, according to several people involved in the market.”

“‘Literally, a day doesn’t go by that I don’t get a call from potential investors,’ said Ramiro Ortiz, president of Coral Gables-based BankUnited Financial. ‘The problem is that the price is 50 cents on the dollar. I’ve got enough clarity to know that’s not what I want to do.’”

“One senior lending executive at a major South Florida bank that he wanted to keep anonymous said his staff so far has refused offers from the so-called vulture funds. But he predicts that resistance won’t last much longer.”

“‘The market conditions don’t seem to be improving. At some point, you’ve got to cut and run,” said the executive, who spoke on the condition that his name not be published. ‘That vulture is starting to look a little bit like it has some lipstick on it.’”

The News Press. “The competition is getting tougher for builders trying to get someone to put up a new house instead of simply buying one. The median price of an existing home sold with the help of a Realtor fell by 52 percent from the all-time high of $322,300 in December 2005 to $154,900 in July 2008, the last month available.”

“It’s hard to compete with today’s bargain-basement prices for existing homes and the numbers show it: Only 87 single-family home permits were issued in Lee County in August, less than 6 percent of the record 1,558 in March 2006.”

“Finding someone who wants to build a house is tough under these conditions, said Tim Rose, president of Arthur Rutenberg Homes in Fort Myers. ‘We’re builders and we want to build,’ he said, ‘but you can’t build a house for $400,000 and sell it for $350,000. You’ll be out of business.’”

“For many builders, that cold equation has meant death. Hovnanian Enterprises, operating as First Home Builders in Lee County, was building a thousand houses a month three years ago but is now essentially out of the homebuilding business. The Fort Myers division of Adams Homes is clearing out its inventory and not building any new homes.”

“National developers Levitt & Sons and Tousa, once major players in Lee County, are in bankruptcy reorganization and not building at the moment.”

“They’re concentrating on efficiency and pricing as never before, said Richard Durling, owner of Fort Myers-based Marvin Development and president of the Lee Building Industry Association.”

“‘Companies are just leaner and more efficient than they were two years ago,’ he said. ‘There’s not as much overhead, not as many employees. I’ve seen some builders actually dropping their prices. I don’t know if that’s a good business decision, but I guess we’ll see who survives.’”

“One factor that’s helping builders is the falling price of lots, which at the height of the boom went for $50,000 in Lehigh Acres and up, but now sell for as little as a tenth of that. ‘There are so many lots,’ said Michael Timmerman, a Naples-based senior associate with Fishkind & Associates, an Orlando-based economic consulting firm. ‘the pricing may come down a little more.’”

“With conditions as they are now, builders should be thankful even for the few houses being built, said John McIlwain, senior resident fellow for housing at the Washington, D.C.-based Urban Land Institute. ‘The question is, why are they building anything, given the inventory that’s out there? They’re trying to keep themselves alive.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-09-21 10:08:53

‘lots…which at the height of the boom went for $50,000 in Lehigh Acres and up, but now sell for as little as a tenth of that. ‘There are so many lots,’ said Michael Timmerman, a Naples-based senior associate with Fishkind & Associates. ‘the pricing may come down a little more.’

A tenth and still falling, who’s dreaming now!

And where is Fishkind, Trinidad?

Comment by matthew
2008-09-21 13:45:39

just because it’s “real estate” (land or otherwise), does not mean it has value.. some “real estate” is more of a liability (short and long term) than an asset and actually has negative present value..

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-09-21 15:10:13

I would think if there were little to no prospect of recouping the cost of new development at sale prices that would cover the costs, including land purchase outlays, then the value of land could theoretically go negative until the real estate situation looks more promising than it currently does. Can anyone offer comment?

 
 
Comment by Fuzzy Bear
2008-09-22 08:22:53

And where is Fishkind?

He missed the boat by a wide margin on his housing predictions and fell into the same group as the NAR, the lost credibility group.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2008-09-22 09:21:01

Where is Fishkind? CUE THE SEAL.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-21 10:24:42

It’s amazing how many thieves used their blind faith in God as justification for their actions…
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“‘He was a wonderful, wonderful man, a great friend, a great businessman, a man of great faith in God,’ Steve Schrimsher, a Walsh investor, said the day Walsh died. Schrimsher has since hired an auditor and filed suits accusing Walsh and his companies of stealing $20 million to $25 million.”

“In a court filing, Paula Walsh said that if her husband did steal money, she knew nothing about it and shouldn’t have to repay it.”

Comment by Tim
2008-09-21 10:47:40

When in comes to con games religion has a much greater market share than real estate. It avoids the necessity of having to deal with reason.

Comment by desertdweller
2008-09-21 11:14:40

Amen to that, Tim.

Comment by matthew
2008-09-21 13:24:34

Double amen to that Tim…

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Comment by Bill in Maryland
2008-09-21 14:19:11

Agree. Ordained minister stole $24,000 worth of business equipment from my father in the 1970s.

Less than 1% of all prisoners in the United States are atheists, yet over 13% of the U.S. population are atheists.

You can make your own conclusions on that.

 
 
 
 
Comment by packman
2008-09-21 11:31:54

Dude - GIVE IT A REST.

It would be easy to come up with tons of anecdotes of atheists committing heinous crimes, but there’s no point since you wouldn’t listen.

You are by far the most evangelical person on this board. It’s getting old.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-21 11:43:35

I’ve suffered through the worst government we have ever known by a wide margin, and our leader often consulted a deity in order to make decisions, and obviously they were bad ones.

I will not be silent about the evangs until either his administration gets pitched out of office, or when January 20 comes along, and we are finally rid of their grip on our country.

You’ve already used the “good german” analogy to try and convince me that all evangs aren’t evil, but where are the good evangs that could could’ve stood up for their country and not let it come to this?

They were quiet as church mice…

Comment by palmetto
2008-09-21 12:04:52

You’ve already used the “good illegal” analogy to try and convince me that all illegals aren’t evil, but where are the good illegals that could have stood up for their own countries instead of coming here?

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-21 12:13:23

America was built upon the backs of immigrants (illegal or otherwise, my wife’s grandfather was on the run from the British in Ireland in 1916, because he was a member of the IRA, and there was a price on his head. He went to Canada and snuck over the border into upstate NY) and without their brawn and brains, our country would have never amounted to much…

 
Comment by palmetto
2008-09-21 14:56:47

Feh, I’m sure we’ve all got stories. My great-grandmother stayed in Ireland for a time and taught children behind the hedges and was literally scourged by a group of Brit soldiers for doing so. My dad used to talk about the stripes on her back.

Point is, we’re not a “nation of immigrants” as many like to spout. We WERE a nation of laws and a nation of citizens, once. Now we’re a nation of divided gangs, thugs, victims, etc. At this point, I don’t see why I should have to obey laws if others don’t. Apparently, Washington, Wall Street and illegals can flout whatever laws they want, so why shouldn’t I? When the laws go, the guns rule and I don’t want that.

 
Comment by palmetto
2008-09-21 15:45:20

Oh, I am SOOOO tempted to max out all my credit cards, put the cash into gold, default and tell the collection agency to go to the gov, because they’ve guaranteed my debt. LMAO!

 
 
Comment by DebtInNation
2008-09-21 21:33:57

I guess I’m not following your logic. I’m an evangelical Christian, but somehow, I was supposed to step up and do something about the debt crisis? Why not atheists, buddhists, jews, or anyone else? Please tell me where I went wrong.

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-21 22:26:26

We have a reckless president, and you folks were the reason he got elected twice. Should you shoulder the blame for him?

I don’t see why not.

 
Comment by DebtInNation
2008-09-22 12:34:39

Haha! That’s hilarious laddie! Get a life.

 
 
Comment by MortgageBroken
2008-09-22 06:53:11

Why do you entirely blame this current administration for all of these problems? As I recall, it was in the 1930’s that legislation was passed that limited why types of investments banks could invest in and also separated banks from investment companies (banks could not own brokerage houses, for example). In the 1990’s legislation was passed that eliminated those restrictions and the housing market started taking off after that.

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Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-09-21 12:24:13

Packman, the chaff needs to be separated from the wheat. These lying bastards need to crash and burn and also be called on their misdeeds. The real challenge is for people to realize these are NOT true Christians, but wolves posing as such. Depart from me, I knew ye not.

As a person who was raised by real Christians, I say let the posers be hung, so as not to be confused with the real thing.

Hang em all, now THAT’S really Christian of me, ain’t it? :)

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-09-21 13:23:03

A man’s religion is like a man’s wang. He should keep it to himself unless he finds another consenting adult that wants to experience. If you haven’t noticed history is filled with calamities caused by those calling themselves “religious”. And I would also hold that Marxism and many of the secular philosophies are nothing more than religions by another name.

This country was founded on pointing out the problems with organized religions and the belief that small groups of people have a god given right to complete authority. It seems that both of those evils are embodied in the Bush administration. And I am a reformed Bush voter. The misdeeds of “religious” men and women need to be pointed out at every turn.

Comment by matthew
2008-09-21 13:35:02

Sorry, but whenever I see a group of individuals ignore science, hard data and facts and justify it by hiding behind the bible, I smile and just wash my hands with them… we should stick them all in the Gulf states and Florida as the oceans continue to heat up.. let them pull out and hide behind their bibles with a CAT 5 bearing down on them..

To the earlier poster on fed government’s failure in Katrina… disagree completely… that sentiment represents US poltics though.. Nope, to me, the fault lies with the people and leaders of New Orleans… this “if we ignore a problem long enough, maybe it will go away” philosophy is vintage US at the moment… no excuse for not having having an evac or emergency plan for the flooding of New Orleans… no excuse for not having upgraded their levees… no excuse… no excuse for not having a coordinated incident command system in place handling all the state/federal services provided.. it is / was not the federal government’s job to protect citizens from natural disasters… take responsibility ..

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Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-09-21 13:39:24

“no excuse for not having upgraded their levees… no excuse… no excuse for not having a coordinated incident command system in place handling all the state/federal services provided”

But if you pay for all of that stuff there is less money for the local political mobs to steal. It is one thing to skim off of a levee building project. It is another thing to steal every cent.

 
Comment by matthew
2008-09-21 13:53:11

Mayor of New Orleans and the Governor of LA were both in over their heads… the people of LA and NO are to blame for electing them… like electing Eddie Edwards of the past.. a joke… what do they expect…

It frosts my backside to hear the party out of power at the moment talk about how the government failed it’s citizens with stuff like this.. BS!! The government has failed it’s citizens in other ways, perhaps, (like failing to regulate Wall Street) but not in guaranteeing every Joe and Jane a new trailer to live in because they chose to live in NO and not insist their government had a plan or the city’s levee system was safe… a bunch of political hot air and baloney.. both parties are guilty of it..

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-21 14:05:51

I might sound like a survivalist nutcase to a few of you on here, but i’m quite normal, let me assure you…

What separates me from the maddening crowd, is I planned and prepared for failure, hoping it never came my way, but i’m ready should it occur.

When you fail to prepare, you are prepared for failure.

New Orleans didn’t do didily in terms of preparation, and there was a massive failure, should anybody be that surprised?

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2008-09-21 17:06:54

I think the most telling thing about Katrina…was there was no Million man march for jobs.. Al Sharpton jersse jackson didnt care…so they had to import 15,000 illegals to do the clean up

All the 9th warders wanted was their $2000 fema credit card to spend on booze and strippers….not finding a clean place to live so they can get a job.
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New Orleans didn’t do didily in terms of preparation, and there was a massive failure, should anybody be that surprised?

 
Comment by SaladSD
2008-09-21 19:32:33

FYI: it’s “Far From the Madding Crowd” by Thomas Hardy. Not “maddening crowd”

 
 
Comment by speedingpullet
2008-09-21 14:46:55

A man’s religion is like a man’s wang. He should keep it to himself unless he finds another consenting adult that wants to experience.”

LOL, nice analogy NYCityBoy!

I’m with Bill Maher on this one - personally I find it ludicrous to believe in Talking Snakes, but I won’t make fun of people who do, if they don’t make fun of me for not believing.

Even Andrew Sullivan, that old gasbag (and, sadly, countryman) made a salient point - that millions of people daily juggle ‘Faith’ and ‘Science’, and that faith has no part of a secular world, and vice versa.

The problem comes when people use creation myths to thwart science, and then punish people for not doing the same.

Personally, I don’t care if people have an abiding faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

As long as they’re not pushing their FSM doctrine down my throat, then I really don’t care what they do in private.

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-21 15:18:02

My wife and I were watching Bill Mahre and so wanted to smack Andrew Sullivan, who is a loud-mouthed bore without manners…

We were so excited about hearing what Naomi Klein had to say, but she hardly had a chance to get a word in, thanks to Mr. Sullivan.

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-09-21 16:08:28

She started out making sense but drifted quickly. That Sullivan guy wouldn’t STFU. Then there was Mr. Will I Am (whoever he is). They may as well have had a reading lamp sitting in his chair. As I have begun to see the world in a different light I find that I am cheering on different characters on Bill Maher’s show. It is the re-education of NYCityBoy.

 
Comment by speedingpullet
2008-09-21 16:09:41

No kidding. I’d have loved to have heard Naomi Klein, too. Even Will.I.Am, who got all of 30 seconds air time.

Sometimes Bill Maher gets the mix right, but oftentimes he doesn’t.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-21 16:18:19

Bill Mahre has lost it, we feel.

1 out of 4 shows is ok, the other 3 are unwatchable.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2008-09-21 16:49:37

Maybe another alternative NYCboy

is like a multiple choice question abcd or E none of the above.

I choose NONE of the above which means the only time i am in a house of worship is when i get PAID for it…videotaping a wedding

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2008-09-22 05:15:01

“This country was founded on pointing out the problems with organized religions ”

So I guess we’ll ignore that the soon to be Pilgrims lived in exile in the Netherlands for their religion which was quite well Puritanical (snort) after sneaking out of their own country and then after four years there made the trip over here so they could practice religious freedom. Despite a rough trip, they didn’t even come onshore the first day when laying anchor off of Provincetown because it was the Sabbath and they had to pray. I know this is a hot topic but I think you might want to slow down and take a breath.

Also let’s not forget the Founding Fathers mention God quite regularly in their papers and the coinage. So their exclusion of religion from state affairs was not complete.

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Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2008-09-22 05:17:19

“What does God need with a starship? “

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Comment by snake charmer
2008-09-22 09:24:10

Excellent post NYCityBoy.

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Comment by Bill in Maryland
2008-09-21 14:24:29

It would be easy to come up with tons of anecdotes of atheists committing heinous crimes, but there’s no point since you wouldn’t listen.

Wrong. Less than 1% of prisoners in American prisons believe in some form of God. 13% of Americans do not believe in any God. This shows atheists are more ethical than religionists.

Comment by AnonyRuss
2008-09-21 15:47:14

There are no atheists in the hole.

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-21 15:56:38

Until ’ssshrubery so abused religion for his own gains, admitting you needed no invisible means of support spiritually, was akin to telling people you were a heathen, a commie, or worse.

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Comment by Bill in Maryland
2008-09-21 16:17:38

That’s funny. Last time I checked, Shrub was not President in 1975.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-21 16:20:20

I have no idea what your “1975″ reference means, and I feel certain i’m not the only one…

Clue us in, please.

 
 
Comment by bluprint
2008-09-21 22:27:01

Bill, to be fair, it seems plausible to me that there is correlation but not a causitive relationship.

To be an athiest in a religious culture probably requires a higher intelligence I would think.

I’m also certain there is an inverse relationship between IQ and criminal activity.

Maybe there is, in fact, a causitive relationship, but you have a long way to go to demonstrate that.

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Comment by palmetto
2008-09-21 10:43:12

“‘Literally, a day doesn’t go by that I don’t get a call from potential investors,’ said Ramiro Ortiz, president of Coral Gables-based BankUnited Financial. ‘The problem is that the price is 50 cents on the dollar. I’ve got enough clarity to know that’s not what I want to do.’”

Here’s a guy who can cut farts, but can’t cut his losses.

Comment by palmetto
2008-09-21 10:45:13

Geez, fitty cent on the dollar is probably pretty generous, too. BTW, isn’t BankUnited one of the troubled?

 
 
Comment by az_lender
2008-09-21 12:09:31

Days go by in which az_lender does not receive any calls from potential investors. However, there are also days when I do get such calls. Of course, I am not selling RE, I am lending money to those who wish to buy it. For me, to lend 50% on the “old” price would be nuts. Have been recently posting on my agreement to lend 80% on some “investor’s” purchase of REO 3/2 SFH in Cape Coral. Hmm. I think I might end up owning this house. Hey, a four-year-old 3/2 for $55K can’t be all bad. (???) Of course, I hope the investor pays the 10% interest for a while before folding. Stay tuned.

 
Comment by postman
2008-09-21 12:27:23

bank united, that place is in big trouble because of their connections to condos in coral gables and brickell (miami). he will regret it.

Comment by palmetto
2008-09-21 12:39:45

“he will regret it.”

I lived in South Florida (Miami/Ft. Lauderdale) for 20 years. Part of that time, I worked as a contractor for a major Florida bank that no longer exists. I got to see some of the guys at the top in action. WOWeeeee! You should have seen some of them after lunch. Tee martoonies.

 
 
 
Comment by need 2 leave ca
2008-09-21 10:46:16

For Mr. and Mrs. Walsh. I question him being a ‘wonderful, wonderful man’. Sounds like a common scam artist now caught in his Ponzi and now back to visit his ‘faith in God’, and not in a good way. Mrs. Walsh can’t necessarily be held responsible for her husband’s crimes. We won’t know whether she really ‘knew nothing’. But she shouldn’t be allowed to keep his ill gotten gain. She should ‘repay’ that back to the victims for at least partial restitution. She can go get a job like the rest of us. And the multi-million dollars estates should be sold to pay the partial restitution and she can live in a small apartment like all of the other ‘victims’. She already got to enjoy the high life for a season.

Comment by palmetto
2008-09-21 10:54:08

How’d that work out for Ken Lay’s (of Enron fame) family?

Comment by desertdweller
2008-09-21 11:17:23

The Lay(ken) family is still and will always enjoy the good life. The funds/property etc were long long ago put away in safe places. They enjoy all the theft their father put away. And it was insurances that paid for the tiny portion investors/workers will get, if ever.

Comment by aqius
2008-09-21 12:05:57

just like the Kardashian hoe-bags, living off the stashed money from their deceased mobbed-up patriarch.

bruce jenner has some money but no where near that kind of cheddar to keep em all in the botox & bentleys lifestyle.

oh, and the idiotic fake retail store is a transparent front for money laundering. (surrrre, a bidnezz with ZERO customers can stay open forever. righttttt.)

bet their books couldnt withstand a good tax audit, w/ forensic techniques to flush out the septic source.

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Comment by SaladSD
2008-09-21 19:43:47

The wife of Randall Cunningham–you know, the Top Gun Vietnam War fighter pilot Congressman in jail for taking bribes, aka “Duke”–tried to make the same argument, that she didn’t know her husband was taking bribes from military contractors, so why should she give up their 2.5 million dollar home in Rancho Santa Fe? Hmmm, guess she thought he sold a lot of Top Gun bowie knifes on his website for them to be able to move to RSF. And she had “executive experience” at a tony private school, so she couldn’t pull the stupid card.

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2008-09-21 10:59:55

For a rip-snortin’ good time in the real estate market, contact:

http://www.loripolin.com/

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-09-21 11:47:29

Snortin’ is the correct word. ;-)

 
Comment by aqius
2008-09-21 11:53:55

lori dropped the ball by not also saying the required NAR tagline of ” but it’s a GREAT time to buy . . ” when she stated ” no comment”.

by god, the NAR should triple her dues as a result of her negligence in not leveraging her sudden media spotlight for maximum gain. and make her return her Lexis lease for a (shudder) GM product. THAT’LL teach her to tow the company line !

perhaps the borg collective is coming apart?

Comment by palmetto
2008-09-21 12:10:35

aqius, I’m surprised she’s still in business. I took the the FAR pre-licensing course years ago, just for the education. Never went for the license. They make such a big deal about “ethics” and “professionalism” and it appeared that you could lose your license for the least transgression. Apparently, NOT!

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-21 11:14:23

How many other Ameribanks have loaned out money to out-of-state homebuilders, because that’s where the action was?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-09-21 12:07:23

‘Those things shot up like a rocket, and they came down just as fast,’

Here is a hypothesis for central bankers with academic ties to ponder:

The more rapidly an asset price bubble inflates, the faster and harder it will crash.

Perhaps someone could think up a good natural experiment to test this hypothesis?

Comment by ella
2008-09-21 13:59:59

I feel quite guilty to post this (it is one of those things which makes me laugh and feel terrible at the same time).

However, in the name of science, I think that Lawnchair Larry may have come up with the experiment you are looking for.

Note: it does not end well.

http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-16.html

Comment by gal
2008-09-21 15:22:54

There is no way this Bailout will work. According to Newton’s law of phisics energy doesn’t desapear it turns from one form to another… By pumping money into the free market you can’t make it work …in a long run it will created bigger BUBBLE than we have now…

 
 
 
Comment by need 2 leave ca
2008-09-21 12:40:15

Put a balloon on a helium machine and keep filling it. At some point it will explode with a loud bang. Pretty much what the housing and now financial crisis did. Only took longer and wasn’t as obvious to many of the ‘professionals’ and to most of the FBers. Our HBB contigency (and very few others, but a few) of course, could see the eventual pop.

 
Comment by ella
2008-09-21 13:12:37

“That vulture is starting to look a little bit like it has some lipstick on it.”

This is a sexist remark against birds. I’m quite offended.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-09-21 13:40:50

OK, how about calling it p*ssing on a volcano instead?

Comment by ella
2008-09-21 13:56:37

Are you saying that landform oppression by magma is funny to you? The humanity!

Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-21 16:06:42

I’ve had it to here with Pyroclastic Correctness.

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-09-21 17:55:49

Nobody expects the Pyroclastic Implosion!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-21 15:26:56

“‘The market conditions don’t seem to be improving. At some point, you’ve got to cut and run,” said the executive, who spoke on the condition that his name not be published. ‘That vulture is starting to look a little bit like it has some lipstick on it.’”

Cut & run or stay and lose, same situation as in Iraq?

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2008-09-21 16:14:10

We have friends that had a condo on Kiawah Island. They sold the condo in 2006 at a huge profit. We were so happy for them. They made out very well after having been trashed by the bursting of the tech bubble. When we went to see them in November 2006 they notified us that they had taken the $350,000 from the Kiawah sale and bought a condo in Florida.

Holy $hit, we thought. They told us they knew the prices were down but it was okay because they were getting $1,100 per month rent and they had paid cash. These are people for whom I have a lot of admiration and respect. We have not discussed the Florida place since that day. We didn’t want to share our views and lose 2 good friends. I wonder what stories they will have in the next bubble.

Comment by Bill in Maryland
2008-09-21 16:19:30

Well one can only hope that they will tolerate keeping that place as a rental for another 20 years. Yeesh!

 
 
Comment by Dave Barnes
2008-09-21 18:04:25

Ben,

You missed something IMPORTANT about Ameribank: “It employs about 60 people and has more than $115 million in assets”.

This bank was so small that any of my credit union’s branches are larger.

,dave

 
Comment by satan
2008-09-21 19:39:06

GS and MS are going to cease being old fashioned investment banks. The old investment bank model is dead.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-09-21 19:52:13

Yeah, they are now “bank holding companies”.

Before anyone goes ballistic, let me point out that they will survive but their leverage will be curtailed; they will be able to purchase all solvent or borderline solvent banks thanks to the taxpayer’s bankroll but you do realize that they just tossed all “marginal” banks under the proverbial bus, don’t you?

Nobody who understands these things would take this as a “positive”.

Needless to say, the market might rally (mucho pain for me) but this changes nothing.

Comment by satan
2008-09-21 21:12:27

They will survive.. but it is like a high flying guy driving ferraris + having own jets downgrading to crown victoria’s + single engined planes.

The psychological impact of this change will ultimately be far more damaging than the change in classification and increased oversight/ decreased profit.

Imagine being a junior at goldman sachs for the last 5 years. The seniors will do OK, but everyone else just had their dreams smashed to bits.

Comment by aNYCdj
2008-09-22 04:43:28

And with MUCH lower paychecks.slim bonuses ..No more Million dollar 1 bedroom condozes for you….

I wonder who will buy all these in Long island city now that the gravy train is over….

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Comment by Curt
2008-09-22 05:17:09

Oh the humanity!!!!

“….One broker at Cushman & Wakefield said while the financial sector has felt most of the pain, the vacancy issue is much bigger now than hedge funds’ vacancies springing up in Midtown.

“There is a jeweler on 47th street who is looking to give up an entire floor in expectation of slower sales as Wall Street bonuses fall,” the broker said. ….”

http://tinyurl.com/3nde7l

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by ylekiot1
2008-09-22 06:33:40

So it’s safe to say NY city prices will fall at a quicker pace at this point now that big bonuses are out. NY are you listening?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-09-22 06:40:57

I think the writer misspelled “sacred” as “scared”…

BANKING CRISIS
Democrats decry ‘humbling’ Wall St. bailout
U.S. Treasury chief pitches $700-billion plan to Congress

BARRIE MCKENNA
September 22, 2008

WASHINGTON — Calling it a “humbling time for America,” U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has begun the tough task of selling a Wall Street bailout that could exceed $1-trillion to nervous investors, scared bankers and a skeptical Congress.

Democrats, including presidential hopeful Barack Obama, complained the bailout plan doesn’t do nearly enough for “Main Street” as the economy lurches toward recession

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-09-22 06:43:10

Bail-out fear boosts Obama in polls
10 hours ago

After withholding his response while the Bush administration put together its programme, Mr Obama placed seven conditions on the rescue proposal which he said came with a “staggering price tag” but no plan to guarantee the “basic principles of transparency, fairness, and reform” to taxpayers who will pay.

The Bush administration is pressing Congress to pass the bail-out measure by the end of this week, even as Mr Obama joined others in Congress in suggesting the proposal faced obstacles to quick enactment.

“This plan can’t just be a plan for Wall Street, it has to be a plan for Main Street. We have to come together, as Democrats and Republicans, to pass a stimulus plan that will put money in the pockets of working families, save jobs and prevent painful budget cuts and tax hikes in our states,” Mr Obama said during a campaign stop in North Carolina.

 
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