September 23, 2008

Those Were The Days

9 News reports from Colorado. “Jay Yake is a Realtor who has been in the real estate industry for more than 25 years. Yake says the local housing market, with more than 20,000 unsold homes, is picking up but ‘it could be a lot faster.’ Yake shared possible changes that may have to take place to lower the inventory of unsold homes. Perhaps the most unwelcoming option, is the lowering of home prices by sellers.”‘

“Sometimes the news isn’t good and you just have to bite the bullet on occasion. Nobody wants to hear that prices may have to come down. It’s just not the market where it was where a seller put a sign on their yard and wait for all the contracts to roll in,’ said Yake.”

The Denver Channel from Colorado. “Colorado mortgage brokers kept a close eye on the bailout debate going on in Washington, D.C. Then there’s the question if the government will offer help to homeowners struggling with their mortgages now. Denver mortgage broker Lainey had her doubts.”

“‘I don’t know how they’re going to come up with a program that is actually going to bail a person in foreclosure status or has too much credit card debt,’ said Hamrick. ‘I can’t imagine we’re going to see that happen.’”

“Still, Hamrick said the outlook for Colorado’s housing market looks good, and will continue to improve despite the market meltdown on Wall Street. ‘I still think real estate one of the best investments you can put your money into,’ Hamrick said.”

“‘The most important thing is to buy the right house,’ Hamrick said. ‘And make sure you’re not overpaying.’”

The Tucson Citizen from Arizona. “Median home prices in Pima County in August hit a 44-month low and posted their largest single-month fall off in more than a decade, according to data compiled by the Tucson Association of Realtors. The fall in home values could leave 1 in 3 county homeowners over the near term owing more on their home than it’s worth, according to the Southwest Fair Housing Council.”

“Steve Randles, a top Realtor at Coldwell Banker Tucson, bought an investment property in the Catalina Foothills. If he sold it now, he’d lose $40,000. ‘If I had to sell it now, I’d be in trouble,’ he said.”

“So, he plans to wait for the market to improve, prices to rally and to get his investment back. ‘Nobody thought we’d lose four years of value from the market,’ Randles said.”

“Most homeowners who bought during the middecade boom will be able to refinance their homes at an extra 2 percent interest rate, said Mike Hannley, president of Bank of Tucson. On a $200,000 home, under a 30-year mortgage at 5.5 percent interest, the monthly payment would be about $1,130. At 6.5 percent, the payment would be $1,250. That’s only an extra $120 a month to stay in the home, he said.”

“‘The people who will be out of their house shouldn’t have been in their houses in the first place,’ he said.”

The Arizona Daily Star. “Throughout Central and Southern Arizona…prevalent risky-mortgage lending helped people stretch themselves too far in their real estate purchases. Maricopa real estate broker Shawn Schlegel said almost all of the resales in the area are distressed or foreclosed properties, and property values have plummeted since the high point around 2006.”

“‘The same house I sold at the peak for $265,000, I sold for $110,000 four or five months ago,’ he said.”

“Looking strictly at total dollar values, without taking population into account, Maricopa County was the country’s second-highest-grossing county in high-rate loans made from 2005 through 2007, according to the data. About $42.7 billion in high-risk mortgages were made in Maricopa County during those years.”

“Los Angeles County took the top spot with $96.4 billion. Pima County was No. 53 with about $5.2 billion.”

“Anthony Sanders, an Arizona State University finance professor, traces the rash of risky lending back to government initiatives to increase homeownership among lower-income families. ‘We opened the floodgates for this and had absolutely no damage control,’ Sanders said.”

“Maricopa Mayor Anthony Smith said he simply thinks ‘it was greed’ by everyone. ‘The practices just seemed to be doomed for a collapse,’ he said.”

“Local builder Pathway Developments Inc. and its president, Michael F. Teufel, filed for liquidation bankruptcy Sunday, according to bankruptcy court records.”

“Preliminary filings indicate that the debts of Teufel and his companies could range from $55 million to more than $150 million. The documents also state that there will likely be no funds available for unsecured creditors.”

“Potential creditor David Blair said he lost $125,000 invested in Pathway project Stone Crossing. Blair, who was initially the owner of the site and sold it to Pathway, said he selected Pathway because he liked their work.”

“Blair said he has not filed a lawsuit because he suspects Pathway does not have the funds to repay any of his $125,000. ‘Going after Mike Teufel does no good,’ he said. ‘If they don’t have the money to pay you, they don’t pay you.’”

The Spectrum from Utah. “In the throes of a nationwide economic downturn, unemployment in Washington County continues to rise. Data indicate Washington County is experiencing its highest rate of unemployment in more than four years.”

“Mark Knold, chief economist for the Department of Workforce Services, said Washington County has lost more than 2,000 construction jobs this year, a product of a county-wide construction slowdown.”

“The slowdown, he said, came as a result of the dramatic disconnect between housing prices and wages. Many have been forced toward foreclosure, he said, as prices jumped 75 percent over the previous five years, culminating at the height of the housing boom.”

“In contrast, Knold said wages increased only 25 percent over the same five-year period. ‘The market isn’t going to get back to life until prices and affordability meet each other,’ he said. ‘Unfortunately, it could take years for those prices to come down.’”

The Review Journal from Nevada. “The Las Vegas housing market is ‘moving along’ and eating through excess inventory of foreclosures, which now account for about 80 percent of resales, a local housing analyst said Monday.

“Dennis Smith of Home Builders Research reported 829 new- home sales in August and 3,051 recorded resales. New-home sales are down 48.3 percent from a year ago at 7,324 units, while existing-home sales are down only 2 percent at 18,720 through August.”

“Median home prices continued to slide. The new-home median was $256,000 in August, a 3.4 percent decline from the previous month and a 24 percent decline from the same month a year ago. The resale median price dipped to $200,000, down 4.8 percent from July and down 27 percent, or $75,000, from August 2007.”

“New-home permits fell to 485 in August, compared with 668 in July and 802 a year ago, Larry Murphy of SalesTraq reported. Overall, permits are down 55 percent for the year at 4,216.”

“Murphy’s seeing an increase in high-rise foreclosures, including five at SoHo Lofts and three at Panorama Towers in August.”

“‘Qualified buyers are still out there,’ Smith said. ‘I’ve talked to brokers who are very busy with foreclosures, getting them ready for sale, and I’ve talked to a few people investing in distressed properties. Las Vegas’ housing market is not going to die and blow away. There are many respectable economists around the country that have said Las Vegas will be one of the first markets in the country to turn around, but not tomorrow.’”

“Las Vegas-based Applied Analysis reported 1,282 new foreclosures during August, which remained consistent with preceding months. Las Vegas had 1,266 new foreclosures in July and 1,294 in June, the research firm reported. Foreclosures are down 12.9 percent from the same month a year ago.”

“The current foreclosure pace represents about 41 home take-backs every day. The number of homes in foreclosure also remained high at 4,827 units.”

“Developer Rich MacDonald understands the challenges of the local real estate market, yet he’s proceeding with an estimated $160 million to $180 million in new-home construction and community enhancements at MacDonald Highlands.”

“About 40 custom homes are under construction in the 1,200-acre master-planned community off Horizon Ridge Parkway in Henderson, carved into the hillside of the McCullough Mountains. Most of them are in the range of $3 million to $4 million.”

“‘People are starting to combine lots here,’ MacDonald said as he showed a $9 million mansion being built with a waterfront view on DragonRidge Golf Course. ‘You see how modest it is.’”

“When MacDonald started selling one-third acre lots in 1999, they were priced from $85,000 to $130,000. ‘Those were the days,’ he said. ‘Now they’re $135,000 to $700,000 and $800,000.’”

“Military historian Jim Hinds blames the housing bubble and mortgage lending practices for triggering the economic slump. It was foreseeable that making loans to individuals with bad credit records would lead to loan delinquencies, he said. ‘There was a certain recklessness that was involved,’ he said.”

“Southern Nevadans are panicking and considering extraordinary steps to avoid losing more money in the stock market, real estate and even bank savings accounts, according to Peter Atkinson, president of Black Mountain Rock Community Bank.”

“Harvey Cohen, a retired senior executive, also singled out the housing and mortgage industry blow-ups as a catalyst for the country’s current economic and financial woes. No one will buy homes now, he said, because they think prices are going lower. As a result, more people are losing their houses to foreclosure and the supply of houses is increasing, driving prices lower.”

“He also blamed rampant mortgage loan fraud. Two years ago, ‘every criminal trying to buy my house was looking for a mortgage-fraud deal,’ he said.”




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Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-09-23 13:48:38

“Hamrick said the outlook for Colorado’s housing market looks good, and will continue to improve despite the market meltdown on Wall Street.”

There are actually three Colorados, the Front Range (Ft. Collins-Denver-Colorado Spgs-Pueblo corridor), the Western Slope (mtns), and eastern Colorado (plains).

Each has a different market dynamic. The Front range is generally in meltdown and has been for some time, I don’t follow the eastern plains, but I suspect it’s no different there, and the W. Slope is now being hit hard, though behind the Front Range.

Having said all that, though each has a bit different market (tourism vs, business vs. farming), they all are a part of the general United States economy. Draw your own conclusions, we’re not different here, in spite of anything.

Comment by In Colorado
2008-09-23 14:00:05

And I just don’t remember a time when one just put up a For Sale sign and watched the offers roll in. Maybe in certain central Denver neighborhoods, but certainly not in Suburbia. Even during the best of times it could take a few weeks to sell a house.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-09-23 14:03:14

Just last week I posted a quote from a UHS in Greeley reminiscing about houses selling in a day 10 years ago.

Comment by In Colorado
2008-09-23 15:53:22

In Greeley? I knew people trying to sell houses in Greeley in that time frame. 1 day sales were not the norm, I can assure you.

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Comment by Ceylon Tea
2008-09-24 08:49:40

Greeley is one smelly cattle-butcherin’ town!

 
 
 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-09-23 16:29:31

IIRC, some of the largest slaughterhouses are located in eastern CO. They generally don’t locate those things “on the right side of the tracks”.

Oh, yeah - it was Fast Food Nation - someplace in eastern CO had a poop pit for the animals that produced more poop than five major cities.

Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-09-23 16:39:22

Monfort feedlot, near Greeley. Pure hell if you’re a cow.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-09-23 16:47:53

Not so great for the floor workers too. Hardly the high paying jobs needed to support boomtime prices.

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Comment by Ceylon Tea
2008-09-24 08:48:24

Isn’t there also a southern line? All along from the four corners east to I-25. I drove that once, it was full of flat range and really very beautiful. Can’t imagine opening a pirate shop around there though, the economy appeared limited!

Along the same lines I was once at the end of the road, in an old mining town named “Creed”. Ever been there? It felt totally haunted, like time stood still.

 
 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-09-23 13:54:46


“Those Were The Days”

All In the Family?

Jas

 
Comment by blofeld42
2008-09-23 14:01:30

” ‘There was a certain recklessness that was involved,’ he said.”

Ya think?

Comment by aNYCdj
2008-09-23 16:52:35

Reckless…..you aint seen reckless till you’ve been in a meeting with a health care PR person.

You want health insurance, have kids by an illegal….have multiple kids you cant pay for….be an excon in a half way house………do jobs off the books so that you only make $867 a month that is cheakable…

and you can qualify

but be an American Never been arrested or in rehab…even have safe drivers insurance, and be told you dont qualify becuase you make too much money at $10hr…..

now you are talking reckless!

 
 
Comment by GH
2008-09-23 14:05:58

It was foreseeable that making loans to individuals with bad credit records would lead to loan delinquencies

It is also foreseeable that loaning people with any credit more than they can afford to repay will also lead to loan delinquencies. ALT-A loans are just starting to reset by my understanding with the worst to hit in 2011 or thereabouts. This will last a LONG time. If unemployment becomes a big issue we will start seeing otherwise solid loans failing …

 
Comment by satan
2008-09-23 14:15:38

Comrade bernanke and commisar paulson believe that “firesale valuations” are incorrect.

I never thought I would see the day when the head of the federal reserve and the secretary of the treasury would say that the free market cannot price commodities.

Repeat after me - The value of anything is the maximum amount someone will pay for it if you require to cash it out.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-09-23 15:37:22

What free market?

Fed moves to protect Goldman and Morgan Stanley
By Krishna Guha in Washington

Published: September 22 2008 03:04 | Last updated: September 22 2008 20:23

The US Federal Reserve is attempting to shepherd Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley – the last two members of the dying breed of large US investment banks – to safety.

It is throwing its arms around the two companies both as a supportive regulator and as a provider of liquidity on exceedingly flexible terms.

 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-09-23 19:23:04

All the pricing would be good if they gave loans to people who could fog mirrors as the sole criteria again. Wouldn’t that restore the “true” value to everything and make mortgage securities whole?

 
 
Comment by Sobay
2008-09-23 14:15:52

- JoeSixpack meets ‘Old Sparky’

Joe sees a light at the end of the journey. That light is ‘Old Sparky’ the electric chair. Joe is drawn to Old Sparky as a moth to light.
Joe is a Dead Man Walking.

Next is Fred and Sally MEW. They heloc’d the house for things that they needed. The light at the end of their tunnel is ‘Old Sparky Jr’.
See, ‘Old Sparky’ is booked solid for the next 3 years.

 
Comment by satan
2008-09-23 14:17:38

“Local builder Pathway Developments Inc. and its president, Michael F. Teufel, filed for liquidation bankruptcy Sunday, according to bankruptcy court records.”

Someone stole the german version of my name..

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-09-23 16:33:33

Slim reporting in from Tucson. Where the demise of Pathway is being met with more than a little glee. Especially in my ‘hood.

Why? Because this company is responsible for the conversion of many old houses into what we local yokels can mini-dorms. The mini-dorms house 10-12 students and are poorly maintained at best.

You’ll find these crap-o rentals in neighborhoods near the University of Arizona, and, trust me, the other neighbors don’t like ‘em one bit. We’ve been trying to stop them for years.

 
Comment by Cassandra
2008-09-24 08:32:14

“Local builder Pathway Developments Inc. and its president, Michael F. Teufel, filed for liquidation bankruptcy Sunday, according to bankruptcy court records.”

Who could imagine anything negative from Der Teufel?

 
Comment by Ceylon Tea
2008-09-24 08:54:53

You little devil!

 
 
Comment by reuven
2008-09-23 14:36:32

Nobody wants to hear that prices may have to come down.

Wow! A Real Esate professional calling buyers “nobodies.” I’m sure he’ll be getting a lot of new business from homebuyers after this quote hits the paper.

 
Comment by need 2 leave ca
2008-09-23 14:39:53

Anthony Sanders, an Arizona State University finance professor, traces the rash of risky lending back to government initiatives to increase homeownership among lower-income families. ‘We opened the floodgates for this and had absolutely no damage control,’ Sanders said.”

“Maricopa Mayor Anthony Smith said he simply thinks ‘it was greed’ by everyone. ‘The practices just seemed to be doomed for a collapse,’ he said.”

Some people that now are giving the truth. Where was this ‘revelation’ 5 years ago, except on this blog (whenever Ben started it).

I want my share of the bailout. I want my mortgage cancelled, and then max out all of my available credit and then tell the creditors to collect it from Uncle Ben, Chris, Barney, W, Aunt Nancy, etc. I am really not planning that, just what I feel like. I will be paying for all of the clowns that really did this.

 
Comment by mikey
2008-09-23 14:40:14

“He also blamed rampant mortgage loan fraud. Two years ago, ‘every criminal trying to buy my house was looking for a mortgage-fraud deal,’ he said.”

Hummm…sounds kinda like those big time criminals up on Wall Street :)

Comment by DinOR
2008-09-23 15:30:46

Maybe he meant every r-e-a-l-t-o-r looking to “list” his house was looking for a mortgage/fraud deal?

Harvey, garden variety buyers looking for a home to live in didn’t invent the “cash back at close” deal. Realtwhores starving for a commission spread those scams on a broad scale. JFC, all you had to was look on C/L in Vegas during that time and nearly every one of those scams was being perp’d by UHS.

Unless of course that’s what he intended to say to begin with?

 
 
Comment by Brian
2008-09-23 14:48:51

From
financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/schoon/2008/0923.

The reason no one remembers the hundreds of billions of dollars of seized property from Savings & Loans listed for sale by the RTC is because it never happened.

The greatest wealth transfer in recent history happened when taxpayer money was used to liquidate S&L properties which were then “sold” to well-connected insiders in transactions immune from criminal prosecution for literally pennies on the dollar.

The soon-to-be owned bank assets under Paulson’s plan will not be sold to the highest bidders in an open and fair auction, they will be disposed of again to pools of the wealthy and well-connected at highly discounted insider valuations. The people will pay, the rich will profit.

Fax your Senators people, this will be the biggest transfer of wealth in history (away from you!).

Comment by DinOR
2008-09-23 16:14:18

Brian,

Good read! I think the acid test for those that lived through that was… did you personally know anyone that was invited to the S&L Garage Sale? I know “I” sure didn’t. Thanks for sharing that. It’s too important to get buried.

 
Comment by Austin_Martin
2008-09-23 16:20:59

Look at section 8 of the bill which they tried to slip by

“Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency”

Pretty scary when the Secretary of the Treasury can have more power than even the President.

Comment by MightyMike
2008-09-23 19:11:42

Decisions by the Secretary … may not be reviewed by any court of law …

This doesn’t make any sense. Aren’t all actions by the executive branch eligible to be reviewed by the courts? Isn’t that part of out constitution? Or am I missing something? Can any of you lawyers out there contribute an opinion/explanation?

Comment by Big V
2008-09-23 19:30:52

Paulson isn’t a member of the executive branch, is he? But that’s beside the point. What’s to stop a whole grip of US citizens from barging in and reviewing his sorry ass? What?

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Comment by Ceylon Tea
2008-09-24 09:07:42

Big V, there was just an article over here in S Asia about a CEO that was downsizing his company, met with the soon to be terminated workers, and was killed by the mob!

 
 
Comment by Willyboy
2008-09-23 21:44:07

I would think that no process at all just might violate notions of “due process” (in one and implied into another of those amendments comprising the bill of rights).

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Comment by bananarepublic
2008-09-23 17:01:18

This is also a good one…

“If the Treasury bids for and then buys assets at a price close to the hold-to-maturity price, there will be substantial benefits,” Bernanke said. “First, banks will have a basis for valuing those assets and will not have to use fire-sale prices. Their capital will not be unreasonably marked down.”

So they are really saying they want to cash in on their current wishing price of 80-90 cents on the dollar because the real price (mark to market) is 20 cents on the dollar.

If the crap is worthless…it is worthless. These guys want to be made whole, and then stick us with the massive losses.

This is treason.

Comment by cactus
2008-09-23 19:12:41

“These guys want to be made whole, and then stick us with the massive losses.”

I agree it is treason

 
 
 
Comment by lavi d
2008-09-23 15:04:32

Apologies if this was posted earlier - it’s from Sunday’s Review Journal

Speculators Come Back

Comment by DinOR
2008-09-23 16:25:30

lavi d,

I couldn’t even finish the article. They used the term “snapped up” like 4 times in the first 3 paragraphs. Sorry, I went into overload. I’m going to exercise my option to call BS on this.

There may be ’some’ bottom feeders coming out from under their rock but again, I don’t believe on the scale these people are claiming? Robin Camacho has been the source of a great many misquotes, missed calls and bottom calling over the last several years.

Re-introducing the well money’d mystery foreign investor is a fave of realtwhores and I didn’t see a lot of hard evidence in the portion of the article I could actually stomach.

 
Comment by NevadGal
2008-09-24 14:59:58

Total Crapola!

She talking like 747’s are not flying into LV from China or the PI’s with investors…not happening.

Some Canadian and English..yes.

Those Canadian and Brits are retreating fast as their markets cool off (for the Brits falls off).

 
 
Comment by heloc_jock
2008-09-23 15:20:02

Just a trip down memory lane….. My $20K 5.65% 1-year CD with Countrywide matures tomorrow…..

Comment by JohnF
2008-09-23 16:06:40

I hope you get your money back. They aren’t asking you to roll it over into one of their mortgage-backed securities are they??

 
 
Comment by laughing boy
2008-09-23 15:22:45

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26858674/

“”There is no way we can restore property values until people can maintain their mortgages,” AARP lobbyist Dean Sagar told a conference call with reporters.”

Funny. I thought that’s just what was happening. Property values were being restored. To their correct valuation compared to income.

 
Comment by jetson_boy
2008-09-23 15:43:24

‘I still think real estate one of the best investments you can put your money into,’ Hamrick said.”

Again- one of the worst pieces of advice. No, No, No. Housing is not the best investment, nor should it BE an investment. It is in many cases, including now an illiquid asset. It is also a liability until every penny is paid back. The stupid truth that American don’t ever want to hear is that investing in old-fashioned retirement plans, stocks, mutual funds, and even CDs when rates are good is actually the Best investments you can make. But since Americans don’t like to save anything, this whole lie that buying houses is a grande sceme is going to persist for a looonnng time.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-09-23 16:44:15

One thing is for certain - of all the options you mention - housing requires (or should require) the most homework. For those who smelled a rat in all this a long time ago, one has to admit that there have been certain wider developments (no, not this past week) that might have forever changed the “wisdom” of buying the biggest house one can “afford”.

 
Comment by climber
2008-09-24 12:43:35

“‘The most important thing is to buy the right house,’ Hamrick said. ‘And make sure you’re not overpaying.’”

Home Depot sells bags of cow Sh_t. You can make a profit on almost anything if you pay the right price.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2008-09-23 17:45:56

http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,579880,00.html

OT (my apologies but oh so interesting)

‘The World Shouldn’t Have to Bear the Burden for America’s Lapses’
By Corinna Kreiler in Hamburg

The US government is buying bad debt for $700 billion. Now Washington is asking other countries to jump in and help, too, but the Germans are bowing out. Believing that the rescue package sends the wrong signal, experts from the country’s leading economics think tanks argue it’s the right call.

 
Comment by Neil
2008-09-23 17:57:17

“The Las Vegas housing market is ‘moving along’ and eating through excess inventory of foreclosures, which now account for about 80 percent of resales, a local housing analyst said Monday.

80 persent of resales and the guy has the gall to say the market will return? Holy crap! Minimum pricing usually is 18 months after peak foreclosures. Las Vegas is…

Wow. Four out of five sales are foreclosures. I knew Vegas would turn south, but that is an ugly fraction… Worse than even I thought.

Oh well. I have a friend who will buy himself a vegas condo once the implosion dust settles. I’m thinking it will be a cheap little vacation pad.

Where is Greenlander now? Vegas Condos for everyone!
And Miami condos…
And lookie… 70,000 homes coming on line in Dubai…
Did any more homes get sold in that empty Spanish city? (Time for some cool movie shooting!)

Got Popcorn?
Neil

 
Comment by sm_landlord
2008-09-23 18:08:15

Check out the 30-year Jumbo rates at Fells Bargo:
https://www.wellsfargo.com/mortgage/rates/

9%

Think they see any inflation coming?

 
Comment by Big V
2008-09-23 18:27:04

There’s no CA thread, so I’ll say it here.

There is a new guy at work from Palo Alto. I need to be saved from him. Help.

Comment by Eggman
2008-09-23 19:02:19

Details?

Comment by Big V
2008-09-23 19:22:55

He keeps mentioning how he lives in Palo Alto, and how Fremont is really crappy (I live near Fremont, not in it, but I hate the way he just says that), and he doesn’t think Palo Alto house prices can go down. It happened like this:

I showed him the house I grew up in on Zillow (at his request). First, he scoffed at the fact that we lived in a house with only one bathroom, like we’re freaking carpet baggers for crying out loud. I couldn’t help but show him how the price is now about 50% of peak. That naturally led me to say that the BA is in for the same thing. Then, all the sudden, he’s like “Oh, not Palo Alto. I gotta go.”

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

First of all, he has that really insecure Palo Alto attitude that I HATE, like he’s trying to make it seem like he thinks he actually has a chance with me, even though we both know that I am totally out of his league. Secondly, he constantly mentions that he lives in Palo Alto. Third, he wants to talk to me all the time, except when I say “house prices in Palo Alto have already dropped and will continue to do so”, but not in those exact words.

Dude, I can’t hang!

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-09-23 19:31:25

Tell him you googled him and checked his FICO. That will creep him out.

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Comment by Big V
2008-09-23 19:37:32

If he hadn’t have said anything about my old bathroom, then I probably wouldn’t have said anything about PA house prices. But NOOOooooOOOO, he had to pipe up and say something stupid. That’s what makes him a DORK, and he’ll never be anything better.

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Comment by Bronco
2008-09-23 20:39:41

he may well be a dork, but he is right that Fremont sucks.

 
Comment by Big V
2008-09-23 21:27:12

Palo Alto sucks in its own way. It’s overcrowded, full of pretentious little snots, overpriced, and its only attraction is shopping, which I prefer to do online. All the establishments want $16 for a snooty little glass of usually stale wine. Why do people like it there? WHY? I can see why a Stanford student would like it because it’s close to campus and has lots of socializing opportunities, but you’d have to be a pretty well-funded student, which most of them are, but still. I think most of the Stanford students are drinking at eachother’s apartments, not at places that charge $16 a shot. Just what is the attraction to that place?

 
Comment by jakarta
2008-09-23 22:40:48

Palo Alto is not that bad. I have lots of old friends who live a few blocks from downtown. There still are some eclectic and interesting people who moved there in the 70s and 80s (I used to clean houses in PA when I was in High School). There are some of the pretentious scum who hang out there, as there are in Mountain View, Los Gatos, Willow Glenn, but it’s a very small though quite visible percentage.

 
 
Comment by Eggman
2008-09-23 20:46:01

Well, given that I’m a guy, I can’t relate to the “wants to talk to you all the time.” I do however live in Fremont (as does my wife and adorable little girl) and can say that while parts of it are iffy, parts of it aren’t, which is what you would expect from the 100th largest city in the US and the third largest city (by area) in CA. What we don’t have is insufferable yuppies and their overpriced housing. My zip code’s median is down 34%, which is in line with the listing prices I see on the foreclosures in my complex (none of which have sold either.) That doesn’t bother me because I bought in ‘88 and my carrying cost is less than comparable rent. It also doesn’t bother me because house prices SHOULD be normal. Palo Alto & SF will stay higher because of demand, but the more disparate prices get, the less that demand will be, and there you go. Water seeks it’s own level.

Tell the guy his chatting is interfering with your ability to do your job, and tell him that if he doesn’t leave you alone you will tell your boss the same thing. That’ll shut him up.

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Comment by laughing boy
2008-09-24 06:47:52

Sorry Big V, but I detect a classic Romantic Comedy in the making here where you two will be at each other’s throats and hate each other until during one final big hateful screaming match fight, he trips on a power cord and falls into your arms, spilling coffee all over you. So, there you are, holding this goof, dripping with coffee, glaring daggers at him - you two look into each other’s eyes - you can’t resist - anger turns to passion - your mouths so close…. tentatively, your lips touch his… and then the BIG KISS. MUSIC SWELLS and we move into the Act II happy dating montage with happy nostalgic 60s music.

sigh… I love happy endings.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2008-09-23 18:29:14

Even better than the German story:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JI24Dj03.html

An excerpt from “Paulson plan throws oil on fire”

“Nonetheless, the main architects of the MFI, Messrs Henry Paulson and Ben Bernanke, Treasury Secretary and Federal Reserve chairman respectively, are determined to protect Wall Street. They have decidedly transformed the US budget and the US central bank into vehicles that only care for the welfare of Wall Street and divert public resources to bankers, under the guise of protecting the economy and averting systemic risk.

Albeit evidence of a systemic risk has not been established, vast public resources have so far been devoted to bailouts at the expense of growth-generating spending. The Fed has been pouring billions of dollars into financial institutions, buying worthless paper, and incurring huge losses. To quote Paulson “I am convinced that this bold approach [that is creation of the MFI] will cost American families far less than the alternative - a continuing series of financial-institution failures and frozen credit markets unable to fund economic expansion.”

Contrary to Paulson’s claim, domestic credit is still expanding at a fast rate, at 9% per year as of July 2008, and the notion of frozen markets cannot be supported by Fed’s published monetary data. Banks have excess liquidity and are still extending loans to safe customers. Certainly they are no longer in the mood of reigniting a new speculative euphoria by lending to speculator and impaired credit.

And contrary to Paulson’s belief, the MFI will in the end cost American families more than other alternatives. As Philip Stephens from the Financial Times put it, it is horrifying to think that the huge liabilities of failing institutions have now been loaded on to the backs of taxpayers: a case, as far as speculators are concerned, of heads, we win, tails you lose. “

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-09-23 20:10:29

“…and frozen credit markets unable to fund economic expansion.”

Here he is plainly admitting that it’s grow or die. Well, of course it is, but at the same time trees don’t grow to the sky.

Yeah, I can start to see where some people think this tinkering is meant to buy time. Because if they make it to November 5th it’ll be a wonder, but really - what’s the point? Seven weeks at $100 B a week?

Comment by LongIslandLost
2008-09-24 02:03:48

Economic expansion is necessary since the population is growing. Now I still don’t understand why this credit crisis will bother anybody for very long. If the big national banks fail, then the strong regional banks will cheerfully take on the profitable business. If a big depositors such as Fortune 500 companies (who need to keep payroll cash somewhere) lose money, it seems cheaper to make them whole.

 
 
 
Comment by goedeck
2008-09-23 22:25:24

“Military historian Jim Hinds blames the housing bubble and mortgage lending practices for triggering the economic slump. It was foreseeable that making loans to individuals with bad credit records would lead to loan delinquencies, he said. ‘There was a certain recklessness that was involved,’ he said.”

No kidding Nostradamus.

 
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