September 25, 2008

Sellers Shouldn’t Take The Market Personally

The Sun Sentinel reports from Florida. “Statewide, existing-home sales fell 4 percent from last year, and the median price sank 20 percent to $186,900. South Florida condominium buyers in August responded to price declines. There were 550 sales last month, compared with 551 a year ago. The median price plummeted 25 percent, to $133,300 from $178,800 last year.”

“The housing slump is testing Patti Hall and legions of other South Florida sellers. Hall’s three-bedroom home has been on the market for about six months. After two price reductions, she’s asking $309,000 and may go even lower.”

“‘I’m getting all emotional about it because it’s so frustrating,’ Hall said this week.”

‘Pamela Orr of Balistreri Realty in Lighthouse Point said sellers shouldn’t take the market personally. ‘Forget about what you could have gotten for the home in 2005 because that’s never going to happen,’ Orr said. ‘Be realistic.’”

From Florida Today. “In August 2005, in the frenzy of an overheated real estate market that swept the country, the median selling price of a single-family home in Brevard County swelled to $248,700. On Wednesday, the Florida Association of Realtors reported the median price in Brevard was $155,500, a 37 percent drop from its peak and more than 23 percent less than in August 2007.”

“‘It’s not an era that I’d like to see again,’ said Dale Young, president of the Melbourne Area Association of Realtors, who said greed seemed to overtake common sense in too many cases.”

“Young, like others, called for lawmakers to pass tighter lending regulations to stop some of the abuses that led to the current economic problems.”

“Michael Pruitt, president and broker/owner of Pruitt Real Estate in Melbourne, called the period of 2005 a ‘feeding frenzy’ that was ‘fueled by opportunity or greed, which ever you choose.’”

“David Denslow, a professor and research economist at the University of Florida, said government regulators could have intervened to ensure property appraisals were more accurate and not artificially inflating values.”

“Instead, agencies such as the Federal Reserve took a hands-off approach in not recognizing or interfering with market ‘bubbles,’ Denslow said.”

“The Fed also could have signaled its concern about fast-rising housing prices by raising interest rates to slow down the supply of various financing vehicles for homebuyers. Instead, Wall Street got heavily involved in mortgage investments, Denslow said.”

“‘The financial gurus on Wall Street created various mortgage and investment vehicles,’ he added. ‘They were going to play (the housing market) while it was there.’”

The Miami Herald. “Numbers released Wednesday by the Florida Association of Realtors showed existing single-family home sales in Miami-Dade County increased 22 percent and Broward sales increased 12 percent compared to the same period a year ago. The market still has a long way to go: The inventory of homes for sale actually rose in Miami-Dade County compared to a year earlier.”

“Prices were at least 20 percent lower in August than a year ago for single-family homes and condos in Miami-Dade and Broward. The median price for a Miami-Dade single-family home was $276,000 in August, a 30 percent drop from last year. For Broward single-family homes, the median price was $269,800, down 27 percent.”

“The median condo price in Miami-Dade was $210,400, a 20 percent decline; it was $133,300 in Broward, off 25 percent from last year.”

“Adam and Jennifer Clarin purchased a four-bedroom Palmetto Bay home in July for $405,000 from a seller who bought the home two years earlier for $670,000.”

“‘People are saying the market is horrible,’ said Jennifer Clarin, 26, who moved from Plantation to the Miami-Dade city because her husband took an optometry job there. ‘But the market is not horrible if you are a buyer right now.’”

“Retirees who depend on investment income to help buy groceries and pay the bills, are among the most vulnerable groups scrambling for cover in the current market upheaval. South Florida, with its wealth of retirees, may suffer disproportionately because of its large number of older souls whose financial well being is closely tied to Wall Street.”

“Gene Jencarelli, 72, of Miami, who invests in securities through his IRA, had to get a part-time job taking bets at Calder Race Course. Jencarelli follows the markets closely but was caught off guard by the sudden failure of mortgage lender IndyMac in July and the recent problems at AIG, which cost him several thousand dollars.”

“While he has fared OK so far and decided to ride out the storm, when the market rebounds his gambling is over, he says. ‘If the thing goes up again, I’m just going to withdraw it all and just get the heck out,’ Jencarelli said.”

“Ruth Schwartz of Hollywood, who was waiting for a bus outside a senior center Wednesday to return to her Hillcrest condo, said she has not invested in stocks but is coping with rising expenses.”

“Still, she remembers the Great Depression, when her mother used to put on a pot of boiling water to pretend she was cooking because there was nothing to eat. ‘But we managed,’ said Schwartz, who has ‘two lovely daughters,’ one of whom is 62, the other 71. ‘I’m happy to be alive at 96,’ she said.”

The Herald Tribune. “Looking for any way to help the city’s stagnant home building industry, North Port is freezing impact fees, postponing increases that would have added about $3,000 to the cost of a new home.”

“Years of overbuilding and inflated prices across the region have left North Port and surrounding areas with a glut of homes and dropping values.”

“‘Right now the economy, no matter where you look, is in the dumper,’ said City Commissioner Fred Tower. ‘And I think if we even made the impact fees zero, right now, you might get two or three homes.’”

The Naples News. “Orion Bank’s leaders are taking the good with the bad when it comes to both the state of the economy and federal regulators’ recent ‘enforcement action’ against the bank. Loans that may have caught the eye of regulators are the 5.25 percent of the bank’s total loans which were 90 days or more past due and non-accrual loans. Since 2007, Orion has filed approximately 40 foreclosures in Lee and Collier counties.”

“Jerry Williams, president, chairman and CEO of Naples-based Orion Bank, provided an example of the types of loan losses the bank is experiencing:”

“‘A wealthy man and his wife invested in excess of $1 million in a project. Their partner, a developer, invested 50 percent in the project. The development is a great place. It looks gorgeous. The problem is it’s too gorgeous, too expensive. They missed the price point in the market, so he didn’t sell. The developer can’t make the payments any longer. The wealthy guy says: ‘We need to do something because I can still make payments. I want my portion of the profit in the end.’ The wealthy person comes to us and says, ‘foreclose and I’ll buy it at the courthouse steps.’”

The News Press. “The developer of half-built Prentiss Pointe at Winkler and Summerlin roads in south Fort Myers wants the 50 condo owners to pay for all the community’s operating expenses. Condo owner Marilyn Boyer - who has the only non-developer seat on the condo association board - said he’s told residents he’s broke and can’t pay.”

“With declining property values and many projects sitting incomplete, conflicts like this are a sign of the times, said attorney Joe Adams. For condo owners, he said, ‘One of the risks is that the developer will run into financial problems.’”

“In a strong housing market, problems like this are usually resolved because ’someone’s willing to come in and buy them out because of increasing values. I don’t think we’ve seen anything like this in the last 15 years,’ Adams said.”

The St Petersburg Times. “The Tampa Bay area’s median home price has returned to what it was in December 2004, but those discounts helped keep home sales from falling further in August. Tampa’s median home price stood at $171,200 in August, 20 percent below the $214,100 median price in August 2007. ”

“‘I looked at 30 properties for a client wanting a house for $150,000, and all but two were short sales or bank-owned properties,’ said St. Petersburg Realtor James Tuten.”

“But the slump seems to be intensifying across Florida Panhandle cities previously buffered from housing pain. Panama City sales were down 29 percent, Pensacola’s were down 31 percent and Tallahassee’s dropped 42 percent.”

“A onetime financial savior of the Trump Tower Tampa project pleaded guilty Tuesday to evading more than $170-million in federal taxes. Frank Amodeo, former head of Mirabilis Ventures Inc., is accused of buying up companies, many in payroll services, and using withheld employee taxes to buy more companies.”

“‘I erroneously believed that we were allowed to defer payment. … That was not the case, and I deeply regret my failure to fully comply with the tax code,’ Amodeo said in a statement after issuing a plea in federal court in Orlando.”

“As part of Amodeo’s defense, witnesses said the former financial wizard suffers from a bipolar illness that has left him with delusions of ruling the world.”

The Tampa Tribune. “When Florida’s housing market was surging a few years ago, city leaders began bracing for the demands that would come with 3,000 new homes. They paid millions to double the size of the wastewater treatment plant and started planning for a new library and fire station.”

“But the homes didn’t come. Now, city leaders are focusing on attracting more industry. Most of the subdivisions approved by the city council in the past few years sit idle.”

“Hidden River, for example, was slotted for 325 homes on 150 acres along the Hillsborough River. The developer installed roads, utilities and streetlights, but hasn’t built a single house.”

“‘They went back and green-belted it,’ said Todd Vande Berge, the city’s director of development services. ‘They’ve got cows grazing on it now.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-09-25 07:47:41

‘Adam and Jennifer Clarin purchased a four-bedroom Palmetto Bay home in July for $405,000 from a seller who bought the home two years earlier for $670,000….Clarin, 26, who moved from Plantation to the Miami-Dade city because her husband took an optometry job there.’

26 year olds buying $400k houses. IMO, this is what the press is missing. Unless that husband has one heck of a job, these people will likely be underwater and walk. What kind of a solution is that?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-09-25 08:01:27

Well, if they didn’t buy now, they would’ve been priced out forever, and forever is such a long time …

 
Comment by combotechie
2008-09-25 08:20:30

I’m happy for them and happy for me. Every dollar these knifecatchers sacrifice to the System is one less dollar we taxpayers will have to pony up.

Comment by Skip
2008-09-25 08:40:50

I some how doubt they put 20% down on the house…

Comment by combotechie
2008-09-25 08:44:12

Doesn’t matter. As long as they keep payments going to the bank the bank will be able to replenish its it balance sheet. It’ much better for the FBs to do this than the taxpayer.

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Comment by Steve W
2008-09-25 08:55:04

If he’s an optometrist, he’s probably making decent money (75k maybe?), if she works as well they may be close to the 3x income limit.

But the 95% of the rest of the 26 year olds who overbought/overpaid are doomed.

Comment by Jen Bones
2008-09-25 10:09:32

You people just don’t get it. The optometrist and his wife will be just fine. After all, they have a good vision plan.

Luv,
Jen

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-09-25 11:24:51

Woo! Jen Bones has returned. Welcome back, Jen.

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-25 11:38:11

Jen Bones, where ya been?

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-09-25 14:10:37

Yes, where HAVE you been? On the beach in Tahiti with the kidnapped pool-boy is an acceptable excuse, other than that, I’m gonna’ have to be angry.

 
Comment by Tom
2008-09-25 15:04:58

I’m back too!

 
 
Comment by Fuzzy Bear
2008-09-25 11:32:44

they have a good vision plan.

I don’t see their point! :)

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Comment by Juno Moneta
2008-09-25 13:28:33

I think Ben is being a little MYOPTIC

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Comment by Muir
2008-09-25 11:49:08

I know this area. They did NOT get a bargain! There are foreclosures and short sales with pools for less than that today.
I am not anxious to buy there.
Why?
First, some of these homes homes are in a flood zone. (Storm surge is a different matter, most of Pametto Bay, Cutler Bay would be under)
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Second, and much more important, I looked at the 04-07 comps (400s-600s) and THEN I looked at the 1997-2000 comps (170s-190s)
They did NOT buy well. There are a ton of FUTURE foreclosures in the area. That is, unless the gov sends 100s of thousands of dollars to be applied only towards a purchase of a house and subsidizes mortgage payments even more than they currently do….

 
 
Comment by auger-inn
2008-09-25 07:56:18

“Hidden River, for example, was slotted for 325 homes on 150 acres along the Hillsborough River. The developer installed roads, utilities and streetlights, but hasn’t built a single house.”

“‘They went back and green-belted it,’ said Todd Vande Berge, the city’s director of development services. ‘They’ve got cows grazing on it now.’”

One of the few glimpses of sanity we’ve witnessed to date in this debacle.

Comment by Curt
2008-09-25 09:28:17

At least the cows will have street lights. How reassuring,

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-09-25 09:41:51

What was there before the developer ripped up the land and then green belted? What parts of the natural terrain, animals etc was destroyed for this?

Comment by Muggy
2008-09-25 10:01:20

‘They’ve got cows grazing on it now.’

This is the oldest trick in the book. Now they get AG exemption and pay nothing in taxes.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-09-25 11:26:09

Here in AZ, they’re called rent-a-cows.

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Comment by Juno Moneta
2008-09-25 13:31:56

I remember a guy telling me….

Why buy a cow, when you can get all the milk thru the fence for free…

ERR!!! He may have been referring to women????

 
 
Comment by dimedropped (orlando)
2008-09-25 12:42:18

Muggy-not in Fl…..too bad…..u put in the roads etc….you are stuck with improved assessments. I imagine they are using the cows to keep the weeds under control lest they end up with $250 a day penalites for failure to maintain the site. Better than a bush hog at $400 a day.

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Comment by packman
2008-09-25 08:00:34

The Herald Tribune. “Looking for any way to help the city’s stagnant home building industry, North Port is freezing impact fees, postponing increases that would have added about $3,000 to the cost of a new home.”

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Given that median prices are down $62,000 in just a year’s time, I’m sure that $3,000 will make a *huge* difference in jump-starting sales.

 
Comment by palmetto
2008-09-25 08:03:17

“‘They went back and green-belted it,’ said Todd Vande Berge, the city’s director of development services. ‘They’ve got cows grazing on it now.’”

You see that a lot in certain parts of Florida. I’ve always wondered where the cows come from and where they go at night. Former Senator Bob Graham is well-known for putting his cows out to pasture in a field right smack in the middle of Miami Lakes. Can’t sell it? Put a bunch of cows and the land and avoid taxes.

Comment by snake charmer
2008-09-25 08:51:56

One of the things that initially attracted me to Tampa in the early 1990s was the comparative lack of sprawl. At that time, most of Gunn Highway was two winding lanes, Tampa Palms was pine forest, and there were cows grazing in a lot at the corner of Dale Mabry and Van Dyke Road. Now all that has been turned into the residential and commercial real estate equivalent of fast food.

The Amodeo piece is good for a laugh. I often wonder how many of our era’s feted “financial wizards” actually are suffering from clinical levels of megalomania, narcissism, or psychopathy.

Comment by Jimbo
2008-09-25 16:19:00

The cows are still there and have a great view of the Walgreens.

 
 
Comment by packman
2008-09-25 08:52:47

Cue “Till the cows come home” joke.

This is actually quite a sad phenomenon. I saw that across from our branch office in Miramar (near Miami) - a field with a few of the most pathetic starved cows you can believe, obviously done for tax purposes and not for true farming. A travesty.

Also saw the same thing where I used to live in Boynton Beach - a field full of cows right next to a super-modern Motorola facility (paging headquarters, back when beepers were still popular). At least the cows were a bit healthier there.

 
Comment by Muir
2008-09-25 11:55:07

Palmetto
“You see that a lot in certain parts of Florida. I’ve always wondered where the cows come from and where they go at night.”

Taxes Too High? Rent a Cow
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1186567,00.html

Rent-a-cow operations still used for tax breaks
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2008/06/rent-a-cow-oper.html

I saw cows in residential areas of Miami :-)

 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-09-25 08:11:18

“As part of Amodeo’s defense, witnesses said the former financial wizard suffers from a bipolar illness that has left him with delusions of ruling the world.”

Maybe it’s fun to be crazy. And you know, he could pick a worse craziness, like what if he thought he was a ShopVac and ran around eating gravel and bent nails? That’d clearly be less enjoyable than imagining you’re king of the world. I say, good job on the bent-brain kookiness selection, Amodeo.
Perhaps when he’s imprisoned he can tell everyone ‘I look great in orange; that’s why I’m wearing this jumpsuit, totally on purpose. Also, I enjoy it when giant Cuban drag-queens slap me silly’.

Hey, it’s all in your attitude, I hear.

Comment by 45north
2008-09-25 11:35:52

like what if he thought he was a ShopVac

that sucks

Comment by Olympiagal
2008-09-25 12:13:38

Hahahaha! Nice.

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-25 08:34:07

“Still, she remembers the Great Depression, when her mother used to put on a pot of boiling water to pretend she was cooking because there was nothing to eat. ‘But we managed’.”

If you are fortunate enough to know somebody that went through the Great Depression, now’s the time to hit them up for information about what they went through.

My mom was on the farm in Canada, and was relatively sheltered from the storm. Her dad was handy with a still, and I feel positive some of his moonshine must have made it to the states…

Comment by combotechie
2008-09-25 09:06:54

“If you are fortunate enough to know somebody that went through the great depression, now’s the time to hit them up for information about what they ent through.”

One of the things you’ll discover is very few people had any money, and the ones that did have money weren’t spending it.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-25 09:09:52

Didn’t you get the memo king?

You’ve been dethroned. Please return the crown and scepter @ your convenience.

Sincerely,

Reality

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-09-25 09:29:49

The thing I’ve noticed about the gold bugs is, they pop up with insults when the market is up and disappear when it’s down.

For my part, I’ll let history and the markets decide.

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Comment by Olympiagal
2008-09-25 12:17:57

‘For my part, I’ll let history and the markets decide.’

Me, too. And meanwhile I believe I’ll go on developing my alternative skillsets, ones that don’t require a girl power-suit or a briefcase full of papers covered with big-word thingies. I mean, those are good things, too. But why not learn about evaporation points, why you’re at it?

 
Comment by Juno Moneta
2008-09-25 13:37:51

Do you think the gold bugs are like the farmer, digging in a pile of manure…..He was referenced as saying;
“There’s got to be a horse in here somewhere”

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-09-25 13:55:27

Well, speaking for me, I don’t know crap about owning physical gold. I don’t have hidden ingots anywhere. I have some old coins I got because I like old coins. I keep them because I like them, not because I intend to exchange them for provender.
Other than that, I’ve done the best I can to be a smarty-pants safe gal.
Many people on this blog have many exciting theories about owning precious metals, and I always enjoy reading their posts.
I DO think it’s pretty funny when I hear someone bragging about ‘owning lotsa gold’ when the gold is either in another country or the gold is in someone elses’ physical possession in THIS country.
Yeah. Let me know how that works out for you, if times really and truly get bad.

Hahahaha! (snarky laugh)

 
Comment by Juno Moneta
2008-09-25 17:31:08

Well!!! The “”FUNNY”" thing is, that according to our Constitution as approved in 1792, the only money allowed, is “”GOLD & SILVER”"” [punishable by death]
I know…Who cares about that old relic scrap of paper…
G.W.Bush wipe’s his butt with it, every day!!!!

OF COURSE…OUR ELECTED OFFICAL “”"NEVER”" TALK ABOUT TAKING AN OATH TO UP HOLD IT…

 
 
 
 
Comment by Neil
2008-09-25 09:49:38

If you are fortunate enough to know somebody that went through the Great Depression, now’s the time to hit them up for information about what they went through.

My grandparents made sure I knew what it was like to live through the depression. When each told me… they cried.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

Comment by pos
2008-09-25 10:40:43

Yes, I listened carefully when my Grandfather would tell stories about the Depression. The message I always heard was to make sure you have a job. Some stories about being debt free was the first step to become wealthy, but having a job was the means of your survival.
I doubt this Depression will look like the last Depression. The depressed people will occur again, but I think it will come from a run on the Dollar, and not from a collapse of the banks.

Comment by DinOR
2008-09-25 11:58:47

pos,

Interesting spin. It just ‘might’ play out that way? Our local Rep. Peter Defazio notes that if there’s a ‘credit crunch’ he isn’t seeing it here in OR? Why… the -credit unions- ( that for the most part did loans that make sense ) s-e-e-m to be doing just fine thank you.

To a degree I suppose he’s being a little flippant but there’s an element of truth ( and a well placed cheap shot ) in there.

My grands were born in the late 1800’s so they were kind @ssholes anyway. If we were really, really good we ‘might’ get a decade old butterscotch candy… ONE! from the candy dish. ONE! You’d unwrap it and the years of being melted and re-congealed and it was as much wrapper as it was candy. ( I guess it’s why I’m kind of @sshole too? ) OH… and everybody is a blood-sucking leech!

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Comment by Fuzzy Bear
2008-09-25 11:56:35

When each told me… they cried.

Neil, I also saw the same thing in my family. In fact one Uncle who I never knew was a multi-millionaire who lost everything and then killed himself during the depression. In fact I still have the newspaper articles on his death as he was well known in the midwest back in those days.

 
Comment by Juno Moneta
2008-09-25 17:41:26

The depression was a crises about “”GOLD”"…

ahummmm??? F.D. Roosevelt, forced everybody to turn in their gold….”"”REMEMBER”"”….
Tricky Dick, did a trick with Charles De Gaul, and cut off his gold supplier in 1971….and left them holding a bag of worthless U.S. notes….Now the Asiatics are up a tree the same as the French..holding bags of worthless notes…..
This is “NOT” a currency crises….
THIS IS A GOLD CRISES….
The U.S. can print notes faster than the Chinese can make products!!!!
NOw!!! that’s one up-manship

 
 
Comment by Jon
2008-09-25 09:49:57

My grandmother is 86 and lived on a small farm outside of Decatur, IL during the GD. One of the more haunting things she told me is that you can eat just about anything you can chew. Tree bark, song birds, grass, raccoons were all on the dinner plate at some point or another.

During the winters, her area would get snowed in for weeks at a time. Lots of weaker folks died. The thaws would come and folks would gather around to see whose baby or grandpa didn’t make it. No money, no food, no medicine.

She is a tough old bird. Just quit working full-time as a receptionist last year. Forced out cause she was getting kind of ornery. She said the bad part of not having money is the hunger and the humiliation.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2008-09-25 10:41:52

Both my (now deceased) parents grew up in the coal country part of Pennsylvania and were in their teens when the GD hit. The stories they told were mainly about neighbors they knew, and they admit they didn’t experience the worst of it.

However, the GD still had its impact. The ONLY credit my parents ever had was for a mortgage for their first and only house. They bought in 1950 and the 15-year mortgage was paid off by 1954. Like I said, it was the only house they ever owned (51 years). As you can imagine, they didn’t have to worry about retirement!

 
Comment by snake charmer
2008-09-25 10:56:16

My maternal grandfather was a college student in the Midwest during the Depression. He lived right over a bakery and used to tell me how it practically drove him crazy — his mouth would water from the smell of fresh-baked bread and, after paying his tuition of $50 for the semester, he rarely could afford to buy anything.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-25 12:30:30

Here’s one of many tales of the Great Depression, from “Ten Lost Years”.

Restaurants used to cut the crusts off of sandwiches they served their clientelle and look @ the crust for hunger, circa 1935.

“…So we had all these crusts from the bread, and the word got around Vancouver that Alice, that’s me, was putting them in brown bags and giving them out at the door on the lane. I am not telling you any lie when I say I have seen as many as 100 men lined up there about 7 o’clock, closing time, waiting for the crusts. These were starving men, and I’m telling the truth when I say I’ve seen men pass out, just fall over.”

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Comment by Olympiagal
2008-09-25 13:40:48

The thing that’s even worse is that lots of those men was probably lined up to gather crusts to bring home to their hungry kiddies.

That’s worse.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Fuzzy Bear
2008-09-25 11:44:53

If you are fortunate enough to know somebody that went through the Great Depression, now’s the time to hit them up for information about what they went through.

I talked indepth with my grandparents, aunts and Uncles about the Great Depression and learned a great deal about how people survived. Both of my parents grew up during the depression and were packrats as well as being very tight with their money.

The lessons learned, save, save and save for that rainy day, live well below your means, don’t trust anyone with your money, do your own research and don’t believe the hype of the political leaders.

Comment by combotechie
2008-09-25 12:55:19

“The lessons learned, save, save and save for that rainy day, live well below your means, don’t trust anyone with your money, do your own research and don’t believe the hype of the political leaders.”

Excellent advice for everyday living, not just for the hard times. Especially excellent is the advice about doing your own research.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2008-09-25 08:43:15

‘Pamela Orr of Balistreri Realty in Lighthouse Point said sellers shouldn’t take the market personally. ‘Forget about what you could have gotten for the home in 2005 because that’s never going to happen,’ Orr said. ‘Be realistic.’”

Pamela has blasphemed, Once the NAR reads this, she will be struck down by the bother/sisterhood of realators. Everyone know the turn around will happen any minute now.

 
Comment by DinOR
2008-09-25 08:48:32

Ahem, dear, dear Mr. Denslow… kindly take your arm-chair quaterback opinions and stick them up your @$$ ( with a JT if you please )

Right, the Fed could have e-a-s-i-l-y reigned in an out-of-control REIC Cartel where fluffing appraisals and income became a way of life. Sure, absolutely. No problem.

Yo! D!ckhead, with their self deputized authority the 6%’rs were dictating the terms. THEY were calling the shots. We can pontificate about missteps at the Fed endlessly but no one and I mean NO ONE tells the REIC how to conduct their “business”!

 
Comment by packman
2008-09-25 08:56:58

I’ve been graphing home prices in Florida - typically there’s a “summer bounce” of a few 10’s of thousands above the normal through-year average. This summer’s bounce has been much shallower, and much shorter, than typical summers. Prices already started heading down for the winter in July/Aug, whereas usually they wait until about Sep/Oct to start their dive (including the two recent bust years of 2006/2007). In other words the bust is getting worse - no sign of bottoming even though prices have been getting more realistic.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-09-25 09:35:15

You’re right, it is getting worse, not better in Florida. And if there is one thing I’ve learned about this bust, it’s these regional markets eventually resemble each other.

I didn’t have room to post it, but sales dropped big again in the Florida markets that fell first!

‘The $218,200 median sales price last month in Sarasota-Bradenton was the lowest since February 2004 and carried the market down another 5.2 percent from just the previous month. Charlotte County-North Port’s $138,100 was comparable to October 2003.’

‘Sales in both local markets dropped by double digits — 29 percent in Sarasota-Bradenton and 21 percent in Charlotte County-North Port, marking the third- and fifth-largest declines statewide for August, a traditionally slow time of year.’

Prices and sales down; like a bowling ball on the stairs.

Comment by Bad Andy
2008-09-25 10:12:51

But in Palm Beach county sales are up as knife catchers start to look for “deals.”

Month over month median is up sales are down. Year over year, median is down and sales are up. There will be many more who feel the pain that I feel every day I look at listings in my neighborhood.

Comment by Muir
2008-09-25 12:16:47

Andy, I put a bid on a condo (HOA of $600/month)
Previous sales, 200s-low 300s in 05.
Sales in 08 (earlier this year)115K
Asking price today 84K
My bid $27K.
It returns 8% at 47K, even with lower rents, but why take a risk?

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Comment by Bad Andy
2008-09-25 12:23:28

You pay 10% of peak prices…that’s fine. I paid 66% of peak prices. Risk didn’t quite pay off.

 
Comment by oxide
2008-09-25 13:30:50

HOA of $600 a month? What the heck do they do, clip the lawn with nail scissors and wash your toilets with toothbrushes every hour?

 
 
 
Comment by packman
2008-09-25 11:59:43

From someone who’s looking to buy in that market in a few years (wife’s family is from there) - I say YAY!! I’m loving the price drops. Apparently indeed there aren’t many knife-catchers there. Prices are now down about 35% off-peak, and still falling like a rock. I’m still staying far away from even looking right now though - the bottom’s still a ways away - they will overshoot, and it’s going to be a wide bottom (much like the size of the bottoms of the retirees there) when it does come.

Thud. “Help - I’ve fallen and I can’t get up!!!”

(OK - I know I’m going to heck.)

 
 
 
Comment by Nozferatu
2008-09-25 09:41:12

Let me bust out my thumb-sized violin for all the sellers out there….

Comment by IE Fencesitter
2008-09-25 10:51:53

And by “sellers” I asume you mean the banks?

Rancho Cucamonga (it was “different” here), CA news flash:

House sold for 780k in 2006. Now bank owned and listed at 449k. MIGHT sell for 400k, nearly 50% OFF! And still more pain to come. Waaaaaahhhhh……

 
 
Comment by Fuzzy Bear
2008-09-25 10:48:43

‘Pamela Orr of Balistreri Realty in Lighthouse Point said sellers shouldn’t take the market personally.

Orr said. ‘Be realistic.’”

Home prices will always keep going up.

Thousands of people are moving to Florida.

Florida is running out of land.

Now is not a good time to buy, it’s a great time to buy.

Home prices on average nearly double every ten years.

Pamela Orr, the realtors and the realtor associations have lost credibility. Double speak does not sit well with consumers!

Comment by Bad Andy
2008-09-25 11:09:35

It’s always a great time to buy. That’s not double speak…it’s real whore lingo.

 
 
Comment by Fuzzy Bear
2008-09-25 11:26:58

Tampa’s median home price stood at $171,200 in August, 20 percent below the $214,100 median price in August 2007. ”

That all sounds good in the news, but if you did deeper, you will see that we still have a ways to go.

The Tampa Bay medium household income is $45,994 which is still not enough to qualify for a medium price of $171,200 in todays mortgage market. About 55% of the 2008 households by HH income make less than $50,000 a year. Now take the medium household income and multiply it by three and it would only qualify for about a $140,000 mortgage and that is the medium. The other issue is how many of these consumers can come up with $28,000 for a 20% down payment? This is why prices will still drop further in the Tampa Bay area no matter what bailout package is passed.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-09-25 12:39:53

Instant Stone Soup (stone not included)

“Still, she remembers the Great Depression, when her mother used to put on a pot of boiling water to pretend she was cooking because there was nothing to eat.”

 
Comment by In Colorado
2008-09-25 12:59:38

Local mortgage fraudster busted:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_10556732

 
Comment by dimedropped (orlando)
2008-09-25 13:02:27

I had a sort of depression back in 1968. My unit was on top of this hill we had fought for and we were holding it for some reason. Never did figure it out.

We fought our way up over 2 days and took a lot of casualties. Going up hills with people rolling things that blow up down on you really sucks.

After taking the hill we were up on top watching our base camp a mere 5 clicks away down in the valley. It was hot, I mean so hot the whole valley was hazy and steamy looking.

Well, we drank water like buffalo and would go through several gallons per man each day. We watched the choppers lift off from our base below and fly up to us with ammo and C rations all day as we ran out of water little by little. I spent all that night on watch sweating and no water still.

I cannot tell you how painful that kind of thirst is for hour after hour of longing for it, particualrly when you know there is water just over there but you cannot get to it.

All day the next day we radioed that we had to have water and to hurry as we began to take heat stroke victims. This is deadly without proper hydration. Finally in desperation we called in a medevac chopper to take our casualties off the mountain to drop them in the river to cool them off. The chopper landed and guess what, no water. Just one canteen from the door gunner. I took it and threw it to the corpsman and said give it to the guys.

I then climbed up in the chopper and looked the pilot in the face and I said, “If you land on this mountain again without water you and your crew will never get back off” as I patted a grenade on my belt. He got it but it still took another few hours to get water.

The correllary is that with all the money and effort squandered by the government and through all our protestaions the thing that finally brought order to the depression we faced was the threat of force.

Oh yes I was serious as a heart attack about what I was willing to do to save my men. Anybody see choppers coming with water for us?

Comment by jeff saturday
2008-09-25 16:36:01

dimedropped

Thank you for your service and your story.

 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-09-25 14:18:37

Thank you, dimedropped.

I truly have nothing else to say here, because anything else I say would sound trivial compared to where you were and what you were and what you did. Therefore I shall stick with a humble: ‘Thank you, dime-dropped’. And I hope that all things are exceedingly good and well with you now.

 
Comment by DigitalMegaMall
2008-09-26 03:27:56

RIP WaMu… Who’s on next???

 
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