Throwing Good Money After Bad
The Rocky Mountain News reports from Colorado. “It’s as if the Denver-area housing market has gone back in time. The number of unsold homes on the market in September dropped to the lowest level since December 2005 and the number of homes placed under contract jumped almost 22 percent from September 2007, the best September for sales in three years. The average and median sale prices of homes, meanwhile, have fallen back to 2002 levels.”
“‘”I don’t think you can paint a very rosy picture for the market,’ said Jason Miller, managing director of Realty Source Financial. ‘We’ll be seeing job losses sooner, rather than later. And when you have no equity in your home and you lose your job, that is a recipe for a foreclosure.’”
“Miller said the lower end of the market may have hit bottom because there are so many investors shopping in that price range. ‘There are homes in Montbello that had sold for $190,000 and are now selling at $75,000 or $80,000, and as rentals, they will cash flow,’ Miller said.”
The East Valley Tribune from Arizona. “East Valley pawnshop managers said that they have seen a spike in their money-lending businesses as the U.S. economy continues to worsen. Tammy Naylor, manager of Albert’s Chandler Pawn Center in Chandler, said in her 12 years in the pawn business, she’s never seen anything quite like it.”
“She said more women are coming in with family heirlooms — like rings and earrings — and more men are willing to part with their guns and power tools for a few weeks, looking for a quick financial fix to fill up their gas tanks or pay off bills. ‘Looking at these items, you know people are hurting and hurting badly,’ she said. ‘These are things that people typically hold on to, no matter the circumstance.’”
“At Albert’s, Naylor said, the shop now has so many tools that it has stopped pawning them altogether. ‘As each day passes, we’re seeing more and more new faces looking to pawn items,’ Naylor said. ‘We thought that the stimulus check might slow things a bit, but it hasn’t.’”
“Carl Richardson, a pawnbroker with more than 25 years’ experience…said people have come in with all kinds of stories on how tight their budgets have gotten. ‘Working in this business, you’re like a bartender, you hear it all,’ he said. ‘Now, there isn’t just one kind of clientele you’re dealing with. It’s everybody.’”
The Payson Roundup from Arizona. “Per-capita, new-home construction levels have sunk to the lowest ever, said Arizona Treasurer Dean Martin. The slump has contributed to a projected $1.5 billion state budget shortfall in fiscal year 2008, which could grow to $2.5 billion by 2010, predicted Martin. The state can choose between massive spending cuts or tax increases, Martin said.”
“‘Other folks called me Chicken Little a year-and-a-half ago,’ he said. The housing bubble’s frenzy was ‘insane,’ Martin said. ‘It was going to burst.’”
“In 2002…Arizona’s average home that year was valued at $165,000. ‘All of a sudden, we’re off to the races,’ Martin said. In 2005, average home values topped $210,000. Prices continued rising until 2007, when average home prices peaked at $325,000. Builders carried on, often constructing spec houses. Now, Arizona has 67,000 excess homes.”
“As of January 2008, prices remained at $305,000. ‘We had a lot of builders building as fast as they possibly could,’ he said.”
The Arizona Daily Sun. “Bob Raymond is facing a major dilemma about his property in the bankrupt Presidio in the Pines mixed-use project…with his bank requiring him to immediately repay the more than $180,000 he took out to buy the two house lots in Presidio.”
“Raymond is one of 46 lot buyers in Presidio who took out construction loans with GMAC Bank, the preferred lender for the west Flagstaff master-planned development. His 87-year-old father, who also bought a lot in Presidio, received the same letter.”
“‘GMAC Bank can no longer ignore the realities associated with the Presidio in the Pines construction project. After two years, progress is not being made to resolve the construction delays,’ a GMAC loan officer wrote.”
“For Raymond, the letter meant he has less than two weeks before his loan defaults and starts the slow process of foreclosure. In the current economic climate, he wasn’t sure whether any bank would be willing to give him a new loan in the bankrupt project. ‘It looks like my wife, myself and possibly my 87-year-old father who has purchased a lot in Presidio … we wouldn’t be able to secure financing,’ Raymond said.”
“Even if approved, Raymond said he would have to get a new loan at a higher interest rate than he got two years ago. He also has reservations about committing to a new loan when Presidio’s future is less than certain. ‘It is just throwing good money after bad,’ Raymond said.”
From KUTV in Utah. “One of the most popular parts of the Salt Lake Valley looks abandoned in some spots. Geri Lloyd lives in Draper’s Hickory Ridge neighborhood, which has been hit hard by foreclosures. ‘It’s bad when you look around and see all the homes for sale,’ Lloyd said.”
“Jillinda Bowers, with the Salt Lake Board of Realtors says there are about five thousand foreclosures in Utah right now. Most of the now abandoned houses were purchased by investors, speculators or just people with big hopes. They paid big bucks for a property and hoped for a big return. ‘They’re million dollar plus homes,’ says Bowers.”
“One house on Hickory Ridge Lane, is unfinished, with rebar and pipes exposed. The owner is asking $695,000. Bowers says a buyer would need to invest another $800,000 to finish the house. Down the street a seven thousand square foot home is empty. According to Bowers, the builder who owned the house, couldn’t afford the payments. The asking price for that house is 1.2 million dollars.”
“Bowers says that foreclosed property, like others, will likely sell for far below the asking price. ‘I can pretty much bet they’ll be negotiating on that price. The bank is anxious to get it sold.’”
“To see the biggest losses, go to the highest part of Draper, right near the new LDS Temple. A 24-thousand square foot home on Canyon View Cove sits unfinished. Other houses are in foreclosure or are in the process of a short sale.’
“Back in on her street, Geri Lloyd is already worried. ‘I think for sure the value of my house has gone down. You look around at your neighbors houses and how cheap they’re selling them and you know you’re not going to sell your for full value.’”
The Review Journal from Nevada. “Single-family home sales in Las Vegas tripled in September from the same month a year ago and inventory remained stable, but median prices dropped 31.8 percent, the Greater Las Vegas Association of Realtors reported. Home sales have increased in all but one month this year as prices continue to fall, indicating that the housing market is still declining.”
“‘These two statistics are obviously related,’ association President Patty Kelley said.”
“Kelley has been saying for months that the unprecedented number of foreclosures on the market continues to drive down prices. Roughly two out of three home sales in Las Vegas over the past few months have been bank-owned properties, she said.”
“The inventory of homes on the MLS remained steady at 22,784 in September, compared with 22,710 in August. It’s down 5.9 percent from 24,218 in September 2007. The median single-home price slipped 7.1 percent to $195,000 in September. Condos and townhomes were down 2.9 percent to $119,450.”
“‘I didn’t think I’d ever see the median price under $200,000,’ Kelley said. ‘The bottom must be in sight because I don’t see how much further we can go. There’s great buys if you can get the funding. I’m trying to get someone closed today, but it’s becoming an impossibility. It’s getting tougher and tougher to get them closed.’”
Las Vegas Now from Nevada. “One of the largest mortgage lenders in the country announced it will help hundreds of thousands of Americans facing foreclosure. It’s a huge settlement that’s being worked out with Countywide Financial and several states, including Nevada.”
“Rena Starks is a home advocate who…believes this settlement is not a cure-all. ‘I would love to see what the governor would want to happen. I don’t think it’s going to happen with this. I think this is just another failed way,’ she said. ‘I don’t see the housing crisis ending. I see the housing crisis as continuing until we can get some investigation to find out truly what should be done.’”
“His house is home sweet home for Raul Esguerra and his family, but lately, not everything’s been sweet, ‘Right now, I believe the system was broken. There’s something that we don’t know.’”
“Esguerra is an accountant and works with numbers everyday. Esguerra says he was duped by deceptive trade practices. His original mortgage was $2,200 a month. Now, it’s at $3,700 and about to go up another $1,700. That doesn’t include the $1,600 for a second mortgage.”
In Business Las Vegas from Nevada. “The Las Vegas housing market continues to be driven by value, but short sales remain a ‘large black cloud’ hanging over the valley, according to Dennis Smith, president of Home Builders Research. In August more than half of the 3,051 sales of existing homes were priced under $200,000, Smith says. He reported a median price of $200,000, a decline of $75,000 compared with August 2007 and a decline of $10,000 compared with July. ”
“About 25 percent of the listings on the MLS are short sales in which owners are trying to persuade banks to allow the homes to be sold for less than what is owed on the loan. Of the 8,500 short sale listings, only 3 percent are under contract, Smith says.”
“‘This demonstrates how most Realtors have been staying away from short sales,’ Smith says. ‘It is well known and talked about how the short sales can take three to six months and more just to get an answer from some lenders.’”
“Many will end up going through foreclosure and likely be sold for less than they would have been as a short sale, he says. ‘If homeowners could have had their mortgages redrawn or renegotiated, many of the homes probably would not be sitting for a year or more deteriorating other home values in their neighborhood.’”
“Lennar Corp., a Las Vegas homebuilder, reported that through the end of August, its nationwide sales plunged more than 50 percent, and executives say they are continuing to cut prices, reduce construction costs, cut jobs and consolidate divisions to improve profitability. Executives say the stimulus bill enacted in July that gave a $7,500 tax credit for first-time home buyers hasn’t helped as the company reported its sharpest drops in its Western markets.”
“KB Home, meanwhile, reported its third-quarter loss quadrupled from a year ago with revenues dropping 56 percent. The company reported half of the home buyers backed out of their contracts and blamed rising foreclosures and tight lending standards for the problems.”
The Reno Gazette Journal from Nevada. “Buffy Martin Tarbox said she’s done everything right. When she bought her 900-square-foot home in a southwest Reno neighborhood nine years ago, she paid a fair price with a fixed-rate loan from a reputable lender. Five years later, when the housing market took off and home values soared, she resisted the urge to take the equity out with a second loan.”
“In the past 18 months, Tarbox has watched the value of her home drop about $100,000, according to value estimates on Zillow. Reno real estate agent Ken Wiseman said some home values in her neighborhood have dropped by nearly 50 percent since 2005.”
“She’s luckier than many and still has equity in the property. But the fact that potential buyers are having difficulty getting credit from a financial industry in turmoil could be a problem for Tarbox. Two months ago, she was laid off from her job at a local nonprofit. Again, luckier than most, the agency hired Tarbox to fill a different position.”
“16 houses within a mile radius of hers are empty foreclosures, Wiseman said. The foreclosure rate in Washoe County, Nev., where Tarbox lives, is double the national average. Nevada, which led the country in soaring home prices, now leads the country in foreclosures. The median sales price for a single-family home in Washoe County, $250,000, has dropped nearly 20 percent compared with one year ago, according to the Reno/Sparks Association of Realtors.”
“Tarbox now makes half of what she was paid before and is preparing to sell her house to relocate to San Francisco, where her husband of two years is a police officer. ‘I’m more concerned about potential buyers and their ability to secure loans,’ she said. ‘The house may end up sitting on the market for a while if they can’t get the loans. And there’s a lot on the market as well.’”
“Buffy Martin Tarbox”?!?!?!
Another keyboard killer.
Geri Lloyd is already worried. ‘I think for sure the value of my house has gone down. You look around at your neighbors houses and how cheap they’re selling them and you know you’re not going to sell your for full value.
Geri dear, you will get full value for your house. You just have a distorted view of what it is. It is not what some fool may have paid for it in 2006, but now reflective of the big drop. Remember, many people in UT are overextended, and too low of wages to afford your artificially inflated price.
True full value = .3 x Geri’s full value
“‘”I don’t think you can paint a very rosy picture for the market,’ said Jason Miller, managing director of Realty Source Financial. ‘We’ll be seeing job losses sooner, rather than later. And when you have no equity in your home and you lose your job, that is a recipe for a foreclosure.’”
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Knock Knock:
Who’s there?
Fore!
Fore! who?
Foreclosure, it’s the Sheriff of Notyourhouseanymore calling.
You’ve got 20 minutes to clear out…
The people who bought those golf course homes now have TWO reasons to brace themselves when they hear “FORE….”
Living in a golf course home is like living in a meteor shower.
Esguerra is an accountant and works with numbers everyday. Esguerra says he was duped by deceptive trade practices. His original mortgage was $2,200 a month. Now, it’s at $3,700 and about to go up another $1,700. That doesn’t include the $1,600 for a second mortgage.”
I think we have a candidate for ‘Stupid Accountant of the Year”. Would anyone else trust a guy who thinks his payment is $2200 and finds it to be $7000? What would he do for his clients/employer?
miner-orities are playing the victim card big time
numbers look the same in spanish
work camps
Actually the 7s are different.
You put a little line across.
Better differentiation from the 1s.
Fire him.
Employers, if they need to decide who to lay off, would do well to pull credit histories and fire people who ran up debt irresponsibly. At best, they’ll make bad decisions, and at worst, they’ll try to rip you off.
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You know, if they could get away with it, I’d say go for it! I’ve worked around my share of people that never seemed to make “enough money”. Every pay raise was like suddenly finding the Immodium AD!
Had that ( or the bonus or whatever ) had come a moment later their whole little world would’ve come crashing down!
Look dude, I’m not exactly freaking ‘wild’ about being here either… but we ARE here. Can we please make the best of it… ( and that’s as far as I ever got before hearing about ex-wives and how expensive everything is )
I think if you did that enough, people might put employers in incinerators.
LOL! Yeah, probably. That’s why I prefaced it by saying “If”.
But you know, people that are securities registered have an “Annual Employee Certification”. If we’ve ( God forbid ) had a DUI… we have to disclose that. Any political contributions. Also the way they word it is so general ( you’d almost have to own up to anything? )
“Have you made ANY compromises with creditors?”
So it wouldn’t even have to be anything as extreme as going bankrupt! Any arrangement other than “Paid as Agreed” would qualify. So I guess I’m just used to the scrutiny?
Foreclosure, it’s the Sheriff of Notyourhouseanymore calling.
You’ve got 20 minutes to clear out
You are too generous - I would give 5 min. There would be too many others to deliver, and need time for a break.
“Jillinda Bowers, with the Salt Lake Board of Realtors says there are about five thousand foreclosures in Utah right now. Most of the now abandoned houses were purchased by investors, speculators or just people with big hopes. They paid big bucks for a property and hoped for a big return. ‘They’re million dollar plus homes,’ says Bowers.”
They WERE Million dollar plus homes in your wildest, koolaid induced NAR Dreams baby, ….in your wildest DREAMS
“Jillinda Bowers, with the Salt Lake Board of Realtors says there are about five thousand foreclosures in Utah right now. Most of the now abandoned houses were purchased by investors, speculators or just people with big hopes. They paid big bucks for a property and hoped for a big return. ‘They’re million
dollarKróna plus homes,’ says Bowers.”Note: 1 USD = 107 ISK.
Luv,
Jen
Tarbox will discover that her prudence and her wise refusal to forego a HELOC will save her a** in the long run. She may not make as much as she wanted from her home and she may take even take a beating on what she sells it for, but she won’t be drowning in debt or going into foreclosure. Sounds like she is going to get out alive, thankfully.
As for our accountant pal, please don’t hire him to do your taxes!
“That doesn’t include the $1,600 for a second mortgage.”
HELOC, anyone? I swear, when I was an Evil Realtor, I remember telling my boss “if I ever own a home and my mother needs me to HELOC it for a lifesaving operation, don’t let me do it.” An exxaggeration of course, but even in those wide-eyed days EVERY.SINGLE. home we saw about to go into foreclosure had a heavy HELOC attached to it. Every one.
That’s true of every foreclosure I’ve reviewed for weeks. These people sold their house to the bank. They didn’t lose anything.
From the original post:
“‘Other folks called me Chicken Little a year-and-a-half ago,’ he said. The housing bubble’s frenzy was ‘insane,’ Martin said. ‘It was going to burst.’”
Wasn’t too long ago that I heard Dean Martin saying that, in recent years, over-building left Arizona with 67,000 more houses than it needs.
Hey Slim….did you make it to that economic forum in Ann Arbor??
I sure did. Here’s the Arizona Slim Report:
As the forum was happening the U.S. House of Representatives was voting on Bailout 2.0. One of the economists announced that it had passed, and the audience reaction was stunned silence, followed by very little applause. That surprised me, because Ann Arbor audiences can be quite vocal.
The bring-down-the-house line came from one of the economists. He wasn’t in favor of the current push to suspend mark-to-market accounting rules, and that was putting it mildly. Among other not-so-nice things, he said, “If you don’t like the temperature, you don’t break the thermometer!”
Did those fighting words provoke a verbal sparring match between him and the other economists? No. As they did throughout the rest of the forum, those who didn’t have the floor sat quietly and waited their turns to speak.
Meanwhile, the standing-room-only audience paid rapt attention.
While I appreciate State Treasurer Dean Martin’s recognition of the housing bubble after it has burst, the issue was apparently not considered to be important enough to be placed on his 2006 campaign website for this office.
http://www.votedeanmartin.com/
And while I am open to contrary evidence, I recall no actions by then-State Senator Dean Martin to bring attention or address this coming financial tsunami. As an avid follower of the housing bubble and Arizona politics, I am pretty sure that I would have heard. 2007/2008 does not count; making it clear that problems were coming back while dollar signs were still in Arizonans’ eyes would have made someone my political hero. No such person currently holds office in AZ.
You checked the wrong website. Check the official website for State Treasurer Dean Martin.
http://www.aztreasury.gov
Dean updates it regularly, check out the quarterly meetings archive and old videos and presentations. He was warning about this before anyone else. I know he was talking about this for a long time. But the previous Treasurer was such a mess there was a lot of cleaning up for him to do. I was one of the people who tried for over a year to convince Dean to run for Treasurer to clean up the mess. I am not surprised that his old website from the campaign is not updated, and that it did not focus on the economy. Cleaning up the mess of the previous guy was much more of a priority.
What to say? An old friend in the Aspen area who has done work for me off and on for years contacted me this morning asking me if I had anything (graphic artist), her exact words - “now that we’ve had an economic meltdown.” The past year or two I couldn’t even get her to do small jobs w/o waiting in a long line. So will finally complete a couple of projects.
Didn’t you just love the stinking arrogance of people like that during the bubble? Do you think you’ll get an apology now?
And with such amazing speed! My In-Laws went from touting a life in the lap of luxury to “this darned “weird” economy we got going on” somewhere between the New Year’s Party and Easter?
Just that fast. They’re great people and I love them to death but it’s that attitude of being in a financial “fortress” to utterly despondent in nothing flat that gets me? Hey, wait a minute… weren’t you talking about “picking up some more properties” just a few months ago?
“They paid big bucks for a property and hoped for a big return. ‘They’re million dollar plus homes,’ says Bowers.”
They were million dollar plus houses. Well, not really, but they apparently sold for that sum a few years back.
Did “they” pay big bucks…or did the banks?
‘We thought that the stimulus check might slow things a bit, but it hasn’t.’
Stimulus checks. Chuckle. They seem so cute and so far in the rear view mirror at this point, don’t they?
Stimulus Checks = Fart in a hurricane
Pawnbrokers are for many, the last chance to get some cash, so they can be king for a day…
Typically, pawnbrokers have always loaned out around 50% of the true wholesale value of used goods, like you’d get $4k for Harley-Davidson that retailed new for $19k a year ago, that they could wholesale out @ $8k if you defaulted on your loan, but it’s getting impossible to discern what things are worth anymore, and most of what a pawnbroker loans on are wants, not needs, so the collateral is piling up in the backroom, or in the secured parking garage, no buyers.
Yet another debt end in this rat maze…
Anybody know what pawn shops are selling used flat screen TVs for these days?
But you are not buying a Harley…..you are buying a “lifestyle”.
(according to the local H-D dealer’s radio ads).
“Buying a lifestyle…”, before this is all over, the Cool Gang will all be lucky to attend the next Harley Davidson Reuion in Milwaukee riding used Vespas
Lifestyle… right…
What it really says is: I’m overweight, middle aged, work at a desk and by buying this overpriced bike I can pretend to be a “rebel”.
And to think that a generation ago, some middle-aged, desk-working people taught me the craft of cycling. And many of them thought of themselves as rebels because they enjoyed bicycling. In the car-loving state of Michigan, no less.
RUB-bies, Rich Urban Bikers, probably not so rich today.
Had to pawn a ring and watch long ago. I found out really the rule is no ore than 15% of wholesale vlue do they lend to you.
It’s a balancing act of what to offer somebody…
In the past, an overwhelming amount of people redeemed their goods, and as a pawnbroker in the state of California can make around 30-35% in interest and fees, it behooved them to offer a fair amount of money, and thus make more interest.
I don’t think any pawnbroker thinks like this anymore, now.
“Buffy Martin Tarbox…when the housing market took off and home values soared, she resisted the urge to take the equity out with a second loan.”
Okay, at least she got that part right.
“Tarbox now makes half of what she was paid before and is preparing to sell her house to relocate to San Francisco, where her husband of two years is a police officer.”
Why didn’t she sell the house two years ago when she got married? She would have gotten a much better price and could have been living with her husband all this time.
“She said more women are coming in with family heirlooms — like rings and earrings — and more men are willing to part with their guns and power tools for a few weeks, looking for a quick financial fix to fill up their gas tanks or pay off bills. ‘Looking at these items, you know people are hurting and hurting badly,’
I know people are hurting badly. Yesterday I had a cheery day posting on here and jabbering away as I do, I felt happy for various good reasons, had a good day at work, enjoyed the weather and watched the numbers drop with fascination.
I pretty much thoroughly wallowed in schadenfreude …then I lost some of my good spirits late last evening when I spoke with a couple of friends. All anyone wanted to talk about was the ‘meltdown’, and I heard about a friend’s sister, sister-in-law, and neighbor, who have pretty much lost their retirements at this point. I don’t know. Jeeze. I’m enjoying seeing the pig-men suffer, but I’m sorry this craziness is going to be so incredibly damaging to so many innocent, or relatively innocent, people. Too bad we can’t brand people’s foreheads with scores of sympathy deservedness.
– ‘I deserve no sympathy because I was a greedy ass’,
– ‘I deserve a guarded condolence because I was only a little stupid’.
and so forth.
That would make it easier for me. Of course, they’d have to be big brands, but I’m okay with that, as it’s would be in the service of my convenience.
Yeah, Oly, I hear ya.
Since most of my friends are poor like me (but highly skilled in survival, I mean they can actually repair things and make do w/o new stuff), they just watch with detached interest, not much they can do about anything except batten down the hatches. No 401ks to worry about.
I do have a few wealthy friends, heavy in stocks, and they look pretty tortured right now. In fact, I think I may not even have any millionaire friends left at all…they’re now half-millionaires.
I don’t know……I’ve been trying to tell my mom for a year and a half that she needed to get her retirement money out of the stock market, and roll it into T-Bills .. ……something…….ANYTHING!….. to preserve her retirement money.
Didn’t do it. Listened to her broker instead. Good thing I talked her out of the reverse mortgage…..
She’ll be okay, but she’s definitely going to have to tighten her belt. If worse comes to worse, she could always move in with us.
I baled out of the market in early July 2007. Just got a “you were right” call from a co-worker who thought I was “Mr Doom and Gloom” for the past couple of years.
You know, people who just told me I was negative a year ago are now starting to treat me like I’m a genius.
I just refer them to Ben’s Blog.
Back in the early 1970s, my parents were on the cusp of turning 50. A popular dinner table topic was their effort to start buying Treasuries. And they did. Boy, were they grateful then. They still are.
BTW, one of my wealthiest friends got that way by living frugally and buying Treasuries. He died early this year, and there are many organizations that are benefiting from his sizable estate.
You need (2) things to have a “great” investment:
1) A really great rate of return… or;
2) A long @$$ time
If you “held” just about anything for 40 years..? It’s pretty easy to get on the equity-bashing bandwagon right now but when you see Transports and even freaking Utilities sell off it’s fair to say a LOT of this is emotional right now.
I just got a text from a surfer guy i used to see asking me how my stocks are!
Dude, come over and pour me a baily’s irish cream.
I got whacked but more worried about next week’s bad news/good news.
I think we can safely say that the Boomers have been Officially thrown under the bus!
Long term the younger crowd should be just fine. But bad news for boomers who have had their dreams of early flipper-retirement dashed with the housing bust and now with the DOW at 8K… they just don’t have enough time left.
Should have saved a little more. Hopefully the younger crowd was taking notes.
Clean out the stops.
These are the days the boyz earn their Xmas Party money and BONUSES
Bottom won’t be in for a while if this is happening througout the US:
The coworker in the cube next to me (late sixties, should have no business being in stocks, but just doesn’t listen to anyone else - one of those “always right” people, but just started working in the US a decade ago) finally decided that the decline of the past year was enough.
Goes to move everything into a money market fund offered. Finds out that there is only implicit insurance.
Only solution: cash out. Take the penalty and run.
Yep. Totally cashing out the 401(k).
IIRC, MOST people cash out their 401Ks when they switch jobs.
In fact, I just found a reference:
http://shiftingcareers.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/31/tempted-to-cash-out-that-401k-just-say-no/
It says that ONLY 43% of people roll their 401Ks from a previous job over. The REST take the money.
Apparently, I’m not alone in this dilemma. The statistics show the average American will have 10 jobs between the ages of 18 and 42. This frequent rate of change tempts many employees to cash out their 401(k). According to the U.S. Department of Labor, only 43 percent of workers changing jobs rolled lump sums from their former retirement plan into an IRA or a new employer’s retirement plan.
We live in a nation of idiots! That wouldn’t be so bad if we didn’t have to bail them out.
Bad Chile,
Seriously? Wow, where is the guy from, Estupidonia? Hate to say it but with the demise of our currency and a global housing bubble, there really isn’t any place you can go and live “on the cheap” any more.
I was thinking Cambodia or maybe Haiti? A lot of people that came as “economic tourists” are finding their Big Fat Stacks Of Cash aren’t going to go nearly as far as they thought they would!
Russia.
Yes, I get to listen to him yell all day long. At least today the yelling gives me a reason to smile. Unfortunately, it also means he’ll never retire.
I have eastern european decent too, and I catch myself in Advanced Ukranian Alcohol Psychosis all-the-time..!
It starts with being “right” about ’something’… anything! Like what freaking DAY it is. Then it translates into being “right” about progressively larger and more important issues UNTIL… they reach an omniscient and God-like state!
I have several for clients and they’ve been driving me up the wall for years! They’re funny, when they aren’t getting advanced, promoted or are being stuck with ANY kind of tax bill it’s like “How is ‘this’ any better than old country”?
If any of you are thinking we are turning Japanese I really think so, chew on this awhile…
Nikkei 1989: 39k
Nikkei 2008: 8k
That’s right mathematicians, their stock market fell almost 80% from it’s top…
Ha. I’m glad that someone else has heard that song. It’s part of the background loop at the gym.
What’s going to happen to real estate with all the money being printed by the government? Won’t that cause housing prices, and everything else, to be more expensive?
Only if salaries go up enough to cover those prices and interest rates stay low so that people can still make the payments.
Housing ALREADY is inflated. The difference is that housing was inflated by broad money (M3 - borrowed money if you like). The next inflation is more likely going to be M1 driven as borrowed money is evaporating and printed money is trying to catch up.
“and as rentals, they will cash flow”
Well No SH!T!!!
Jeebus MF’n Keeeey-rist. If homes in most areas were selling for 75-80k WTF would need to rent!? Is there something in the water in Denver or… what’s the deal?
How many of you would “choose” to rent if you could pick up a place at ‘those’ prices within commutable distance to even a mediocre job market? Huh?
I would rent. Denver sucks. In fact, I wouldn’t live in Denver if it were free.
I know, I know, I missed your point entirely.
Oh, no, point taken, my youngest sister lived in CO Springs for awhile and it didn’t strike me as being all that exciting? I guess what “I” find frustrating is that you have all these homes in say the CV in Cali going for 125k and we actually have nurses leaving OHSU in OR to head back down there!
I guess any time I hear about other markets approaching affordability, it ticks me off. No matter WHERE it is!
The nice parts of Denver are not where houses are selling for $80k. I’m not even 100% sure these properties would cash flow at that price. You need to factor in insurance, vacancy, damage and crime rates. Meth remediation can cost a bundle. The DEA is lien happy too. Even in Lakewood they’ll toss incendiary devices into rental houses and not give the landlord $5 to cover the damage.
“Esguerra is an accountant and works with numbers everyday. Esguerra says he was duped by deceptive trade practices. His original mortgage was $2,200 a month. Now, it’s at $3,700 and about to go up another $1,700. That doesn’t include the $1,600 for a second mortgage.”
This just shows more of the facade facing the US economy; words and titles meant something and had substance attached to them, but not in todays work environment. Today we’ve given fancy titles and pay to people with minuscule job skills as part of our feel good mentality.
Hey Dean…..when the bubble hits your eye like a big foreclosure pie…..that’s a burstamore
LMAO! Buh-buh-buh-boo!
holy smokes! up 500 pnts in a matter of minutes…
Any explanations?
Gold price volotility? Was that classic pump and dump?
BTW for those that do not know, thrashing chickens with their heads cut off tend to damage any fragile things nearby. And, the trashing tends to go on longer than you would expect.
I never could understand how anyone would want to live near a golf course. I don’t play golf, though. Last year I got a big bag of golf-balls at a yard sale for 50 cents total, along with one of the club thingies, just on spec, and I learned that I do enjoy smacking those little balls as hard as I can far out into Totten Inlet, but that’s the extent of my golf game. (First I called dept. of ecology to ask if golf balls harmed harbor seals and the seldom visiting whales and they transferred me from one department to another on speaker phone until I realized everyone was just keen to hear me ask the question. Well, what?! Jeebus! It’s a valid question, surely! Some whales feed by scraping along the bottom, gathering crustaceans, and what happens when they scoop up a half a bag of golf-balls? Wouldn’t that cause constipation? It would ME, I bet. Anyway, the consensus was that it would not be very harmful. So now you all know. )
What is my point, you ask? I forgot. No wait, I remember: I cannot understand why anyone would want to live near a golf course, because those little balls blasting in through the window would be crazy-making.
That was supposed to go further up the thread, under az slim’s post.
Seriously though, thinking about it more, I’m fairly high-strung to begin with and the constant expectation of a golf ball smashing through a window would cause a system-wide nervous collapse in about a week.
they have different windows, plexiglass i believe
The sound of golf balls going “Bonk!” against my windows would be a crazy-maker.
they are dangerous for whales. it’s true! i saw it on Seinfeld.
No more good money available to throw away on overpriced coffee?
if true, that would be a step in the right direction
Golf courses are also ruinous to the environment. One of the most ecologically devastating things you can build. Which is why I really enjoy it when overbloated d***heads yammer about their golf outings as getting “close to nature”.
ruinous? you mean like parking lots and skyscrapers? and overworked farmlands?