October 14, 2008

It Was A Spending Frenzy In California

The Modesto Bee reports from California. “Foreclosures dropped dramatically during September throughout the Northern San Joaquin Valley, but don’t start celebrating yet. Experts warn that the decline was caused by a change in state law that simply may have delayed — not stopped — foreclosures. The law, which took effect Sept. 8, makes lenders meet strict homeowner notification requirements before they can start the foreclosure process. ‘Clearly, SB 1137 has had a huge impact on notices. Only time will tell if the impact is beneficial or only delays the inevitable,’ said Sean O’Toole, founder of ForeclosureRadar.”

“‘We’ve had a 96 percent increase in inbound call volume during the last five weeks,’ said Martha Lucey, president of (a) nonprofit housing counseling service certified by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development to serve Stanislaus, San Joaquin and Merced counties.”

“‘But we haven’t seen any dramatic movement in workout success’ during mortgage default negotiations with lenders, Lucey said. ‘If workouts aren’t done, then SB 1137 may just be delaying foreclosures.’”

“The law was designed to encourage lenders to modify loans rather than foreclose them, but it doesn’t require deals be made. ‘We expect SB 1137 to have no long-term impact beyond delaying the foreclosure process for homeowners and slowing the overall recovery,’ O’Toole said. ‘Given the significant negative equity now occurring in most California foreclosures, modifying loans to affordable levels either requires large principal balance reductions or extending the unsustainable teaser rates that created the foreclosure crisis in the first place.’”

“O’Toole said that if lenders start reducing the principal balances owed on many loans, then ‘they are likely to encourage nondefaulting homeowners to default in the hopes of securing similar reductions.’ That ultimately would increase defaults, not decrease them as intended, O’Toole predicted.”

“Chad Costa, a Modesto real estate broker who specializes in selling previously foreclosed, bank-owned property, also predicts that the new law won’t help much. He said the regulations are ‘just delaying when those assets will hit the market.’”

“Of the bank-owned properties he represents, Costa said he has more than 120 offers in negotiations to buy 56 properties. But he has 51 other properties for sale that don’t have any offers to buy. ‘The challenge is that there are fewer first-time home buyer loan programs due to the credit crunch,’ Costa said.”

The Mercury News. “Santa Clara County saw big declines in home foreclosures last month as a new state law took effect and banks tried to work out terms for borrowers struggling with mortgage payments. The county posted a 55 percent drop in September in notices of default. Foreclosure sales in the county were down 24 percent — double the statewide drop. That still represents a more than threefold increase from September 2007.”

“Banks are adjusting to the new law at a time when they were already at their capacity filing record numbers of foreclosures, O’Toole said. That has slowed their foreclosure activity. ‘Statewide, we have around 60,000 properties that can be sold at their next scheduled sale date, so there’s quite a few in the queue that can be sold,’ he said. Those loans do not have to meet the terms of the new law because the notices were filed before it went into effect.”

“O’Toole said banks are reducing rates for set periods of time, which only delays foreclosures. He said the monthly rate of filings may drop, ‘but ultimately we’ll have the same number of foreclosures. It will just take longer to process them,’ he said.”

The North County Times. “Far fewer North County houses entered foreclosure in September than the previous month, according to data released Monday. Notices of default act as a forward-looking indicator of the number of foreclosures sent back to the bank. In contrast with notices of default, finalized foreclosures in September were 144 percent higher than a year ago.”

“Oceanside and Escondido continued to lead the way with the most foreclosures, constituting about 50 percent of all North County foreclosures during September. Middle- and higher-end areas such as Carlsbad and Encinitas continued to report sluggish sales.”

“‘”It’s probably less immediately painful, but I think you get to the same point,’ O’Toole said. ‘It kind of comes down to how you prefer to take your medicine —- do you want to have more pain up-front and recover faster or have less pain and take longer to recover?’”

“Last week, a separate report by the North San Diego County Association of Realtors also showed…sales boomed by 92 percent from the same month a year ago, the biggest increase since sales slowed in 2006. However, the basemark, September 2007, was one of the worst sales months on record.”

“Beyond the state’s legislative effort to encourage lenders to assist homeowners in finding an affordable payment, Congress passed a $700 billion bailout that granted the Treasury Department authority to purchase troubled mortgages and inject capital into struggling banks by purchasing stock.”

“Neither legislative effort would do much to stem the tide of foreclosures, O’Toole said. ‘It doesn’t change any of the fundamental facts, which are that homeowners stopped making the payments’ because the loan’s principal —- the amount of money borrowed —- was too high, he said. ‘It’s all about the principal balance at the end of the day, and they aren’t addressing that problem.’”

The Press Enterprise. “Despite unsuccessful efforts to get a plan for local control included in the $700 billion financial rescue plan Congress approved earlier this month, Inland officials continue to push for a say in how the federal government disposes of distressed mortgage assets. Riverside and San Bernardino counties, along with at least 15 cities and 30 businesses, want to create a public-private partnership to act as a caretaker for the assets the federal government buys up, to ensure the homes are maintained and sold in a systematic way.”

“Officials want Washington to hear this: The Inland region, already one of the hardest hit by foreclosures, cannot withstand another so-called ‘asset dump’ like what happened in the late 1980s and early 1990s with the savings-and-loan crisis.”

“At that time, the federal government set up the Resolution Trust Corp. to dispose of assets that the federal government took over from S&Ls. It sold off huge numbers of foreclosed properties at once, further depressing real estate values in many parts of the country, including the Inland region. ‘Either we will lead or will be led, and where we will be led is not pretty,’ said Burum, a managing member of Rancho Cucamonga-based developer Diversified Pacific.”

“To prevent a repeat, local officials — and private investors — would use the public-private partnership corporation to help ensure that properties are sold strategically over time. Thus, values wouldn’t decline further because of a sudden glut of homes on the market.”

The Sacramento Bee. “The number of for-sale signs in El Dorado, Placer, Sacramento and Yolo counties fell in September to a 19-month low of 11,022, Sacramento property researcher TrendGraphix reported Monday. One in four homes for sale at September’s end – 2,736 in all – were bank foreclosure properties, according to Trend-Graphix.”

“Lyon CEO Mike Lyon said 62 percent of the region’s sales in September were bank repos. He said sales held steady in September – remaining higher than the same time last year – as prices kept falling. ‘Banks are desperate to get the bad loans off their books by pricing their foreclosed homes low for a quick sale,’ Lyon said in a statement.”

The Press Democrat. “A prominent Bay Area developer, Delco Builders, has stopped building homes in Sonoma County and brought in a financial restructuring firm in an effort to stay in business, according to a letter sent by the company to vendors and subcontractors. ‘As we discussed previously, due to the depressed residential real estate market, Delco’s cash flow has become very tight, and we need to modify the terms of the loans with our lenders to enable the company to work through the weak housing cycle,’ the letter stated.”

“The Pleasant Hill developer’s financial crisis comes as home builders increasingly struggle to meet loan payments and pay contractors and suppliers. Builders are tapping reserves, selling land or even renting out unsold homes, industry experts said. ‘Everybody is squeezed,’ said Greg Paquin, president of a new home research and consulting firm in Folsom.”

“Failure to develop a repayment plan with its lenders will force Delco to shut down the company and liquidate its assets, the letter continued.”

“Housing starts have plunged 61 percent in Sonoma County during the first eight months of 2008, according to the Construction Industry Research Board. County during the first eight months of 2008, according to the Construction Industry Research Board. Builders took out permits to construct 427 homes and apartments, down from 1,082 during the same period a year ago. Construction companies have shed 600 jobs in Sonoma County over the past year.”

The Desert Dispatch. “The number of new building permits issued by the city for single family homes dropped by about 74.8 percent between 2007 and the first eight months of 2008, adjusting for the fact that data from the last third of 2008 is missing. The drop-off was even sharper than in San Bernardino County as a whole, where the numbers were down by 64.1 percent in the same period.”

“The reasons for the building decline in Barstow and the county as a whole were linked to larger economic trends. Between 2002 and 2005 , inflated home prices in San Bernardino County put buying a house out of reach for many people. At one point in 2005, only 25 percent of San Bernardino’s residents could afford a median-priced home, said Jeff Simonetti, senior vice president of government affairs with the Baldy View chapter of the California Building Industry Association.”

“‘The prices people were getting at that point literally outstripped the number of people that could afford that house,’ he said.”

The Merced Sun Star. “For the past 37 years Bob Silva’s Ford and RV dealership has sold cars and trucks in Chowchilla. But if things get any worse, Silva is going to hang up his spurs. ‘Two more months like this, I’ll retire and send everyone home,’ said Silva. ‘Why throw good money after bad?’”

“The car industry in California — the country’s largest car market — employs more than 100,000 people and had overall sales in 2006 of $86 billion, according to the National Automobile Dealers Association (NADA).”

“But if you thought this sales slump was isolated to new cars, think again. The owner of Smiley’s Auto Sales, a used car lot in Merced, described recent sales with one word — ‘horrible.’ Rick Smiley has never seen sales for cars at his lot this bad. They are down 30 to 40 percent, he said. And with Ford and GM slashing the price on their cars just to sell them, said Smiley, fewer people are coming to buy used cars on his lot.”

“Before long, NADA may wish it had a different acronym.”

“Vacant office space spiked during the third quarter in yet another indicator that North County has entered a recession. The third-quarter numbers were the worst for commercial real estate since the residential housing boom went bust three years ago, according to a recent report by Grubb & Ellis, a commercial real estate firm.”

“Commercial real estate joined a long list of negative economic indicators for San Diego County: job losses for five of the last six months, house prices 30 percent below a 2005 peak, foreclosure rates double a year ago and incomes failing to keep pace with inflation.”

“‘Commercial construction and commercial real estate were holding up longer than the residential market, and that’s one more thing that’s no longer a positive for the economy,’ said James Hamilton, an economics professor at UC San Diego. ‘I would take any development there as an unfortunate move, but not an unexpected one.’”

“Counting recently vacated space and newly leased offices, North County businesses abandoned 340,000 square feet of space during the third quarter. The losses sent the overall office vacancy rate in North County to a new high of 19.2 percent.”

“Where the economy goes from here is largely dependent on consumer confidence and spending, said Edward Leamer, a professor with UCLA Anderson. ‘All the anecdotes are extremely worrisome,’ Leamer said. ‘If that (consumer) fear continues, we’re going to have a really bad couple of quarters. We need to have our leadership and the media say, ‘It’s not that bad, and it’s OK to go out and spend.’”

“‘The mom-and-pop guys are not doing deals, and they’re feeling the impact of these slowdowns,’ said said Chad Iafrate, retail division broker for Grubb & Ellis. ‘Consumers have lost that false sense of wealth, getting paid $50,000 a year, and they were taking out an extra $15,000 every year from their homes. It was a spending frenzy.’”

“Now that residential real estate prices have tumbled, consumers are unable to use their house equity as disposable cash. And they are struggling to keep up with their mortgage payments, as North County foreclosures have doubled from a year ago for the last several months, according to ForeclosureRadar.”

The Pasadena Star News. “With turmoil in the financial markets hitting its usual roster of deep-pocket donors, the Pasadena Symphony can’t afford to stage its November concert and has cancelled the performance, co-Executive Director Tom O’Connor said Monday.”

“‘We have been hit pretty hard by what’s been occurring. We planned a gala last fall and two major supporters, IndyMac and Countrywide pulled out,’ he said, citing the failed bank and the troubled mortgage lender.”

“Symphony violinist Laurie Stiles, a Pasadena resident, said Monday that the news was ‘like a punch in the stomach’ to the musicians. ‘We did not expect it,’ she said. ‘It’s very shocking.’”

The Press Telegram. “The California Association of Realtors plans to make its annual prediction for home prices and sales when it gathers today through Thursday at the Long Beach Convention Center. The closely watched CAR report, which will be formally released Wednesday, should provide something of an advance snapshot of where Realtors believe the tumultuous California housing market is headed amid the credit crisis.”

“Home prices in Southern California are down about 27 percent from last year.”

“The annual convention is the largest gathering of Realtors in California. About 10,000 agents, brokers and related professionals plan to attend, said association spokesman Mark Giberson. Attendance is expected to decline 2,000 to 4,000.”

“The number of Realtors in California is down along with the markets they serve. The association has about 180,000 members - about 25,000 less than a year ago, Giberson said. There are about 540,000 real estate agents and brokers statewide. Most do not belong to the organization and cannot call themselves Realtors.”

“Much of this year’s focus will be on environmentally sound building practices and sustainable living.”




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Comment by aladinsane
2008-10-14 13:25:10

Die Harder…

“A prominent Bay Area developer, Delco Builders, has stopped building homes in Sonoma County and brought in a financial restructuring firm in an effort to stay in business, according to a letter sent by the company to vendors and subcontractors. ‘As we discussed previously, due to the depressed residential real estate market, Delco’s cash flow has become very tight, and we need to modify the terms of the loans with our lenders to enable the company to work through the weak housing cycle,’ the letter stated.”

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2008-10-14 13:28:34

‘O’Toole said that if lenders start reducing the principal balances owed on many loans, then ‘they are likely to encourage nondefaulting homeowners to default in the hopes of securing similar reductions.’ That ultimately would increase defaults, not decrease them as intended, O’Toole predicted.’

Uh-huh, mean ol’ mister economic gravity meets the law of unintended consequences. Anything these governments do will likely only make the bust worse.

These guys in the inland empire are laughable. What are they going to do, leave the houses empty? That’s good for prices. Rent them out? Give em away? I’m sure the sharp pencils in the IE can figure out a way to keep 60,000 houses off the market.

But, this is starting to get interesting. It was the RTC that broke open the price declines in the 80’s. As prices continued to fall, it made more sense to dump the stuff than manage it.

Comment by SMF
2008-10-14 13:37:39

I tell you, if they start reducing principal for some buyers, don’t you think that buyers like me (that can actually afford the payment) will ask the same?

It is only fair.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-10-14 13:54:31

We have been seeing this for more than a year. FBs buy a house, sometimes on the same street, and then let the first house go into default. Lowering loan balances is just like the auctions posted yesterday, where the original buyers then hold a grudge against the people that got a cheaper price. Anyway, the amount of money allocated probably couldn’t even fix the mess in Florida alone.

Comment by SMF
2008-10-14 14:02:36

We bought a house for much lower than a lot of our neighbors.

You do feel for them…but…who cares?

And yes, a few have spoken out.

But in this high-priced neighborhood we live in, way too many are still drinking the kool-aid.

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Comment by bottomfisherman
2008-10-14 14:15:04

If they start doing mass-FB-cramdowns they’ll create a whole new wave of defaults from envious folks that had been regularly paying but now want their own cramdown- just to be fair. Is there enough money in the world to begin cover those potential cramdown losses?

 
Comment by Big V
2008-10-14 14:35:18

Who spoke out? You send em to me, F. I won’t let em get away with it.

 
Comment by palmetto
2008-10-14 14:44:50

I would think local govs would hate it. I mean, here in Florida, they’re still soaking people for taxes based on inflated values wherever they can. Sooner or later, the values will decline on the tax rolls, but I’m sure local govs prefer later.

 
Comment by SMF
2008-10-14 14:57:29

And that is why no gov wanted the party to end. It was an unofficial and easy tax increase.

Gov budgets have more than doubled in the last decade, but obviously income hasn’t.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-10-14 16:19:32

“Is there enough money in the world to begin cover those potential cramdown losses?”

NO

 
 
Comment by are they crazy
2008-10-14 18:15:56

I heard that by Dec 1, you won’t be able to use the old “we’re going to rent out the 1st house” gambit anymore. You will have to prove you have enough income to support both payments in order to get the loan on the 2nd house. I would think that would pretty much bring that scam to a screeching halt.

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Comment by JohnF
2008-10-14 14:48:40

Sorry, principal reduction is only for irresponsible borrowers…..I mean predatory lending victims…….

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-10-14 14:59:53

‘… if they start reducing principal for some buyers, don’t you think that buyers like me (that can actually afford the payment) will ask the same?’

Let’s see, speaking as a mortgage payer who saved up a big down-payment and selected a house I could actually afford… hmmm…thinking…thinking….why, that would be a great big Y.E.S.
There is no fookin’ way I’d be okay with sitting back and peaceably watching principle reductions sprinkled out like confetti over REtards. Man, there would be some large bonfires and other indications of strong emotion here in western WA.
But I don’t think I’ll have to stockpile the matches just yet. I can’t see banks reducing principle. I’ll bet on all sorts of other writhing contortions from hurting lenders before that.

Comment by Skroodle
2008-10-14 17:29:36

Count me in, I will bring the chicken feathers.

The only way that would even happen is if there was some sweetner added to those that own their homes outright.

Maybe an increase in Social Security, Medicare, prescription drug plans to get the retirees on board.

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-10-14 14:27:49

Ben, I’ve been mulling the question of whether or not cramdowns for FBs is a better public policy than bank bailouts and buying toxic waste mortgage securities. I think no intervention at all is still best, but that scenario seems highly unlikely given the political stances of the powers-that-be, or the candidates running for office.

Cramdowns would decrease the value of mortgage SIVs and CDOs, but potentially prop up their prices for resale (instead of the 10-20 cents on the dollar that they are going for currently). Would this lessen the need for bank bailouts and simultaneously create a bottom for housing prices, which is what the politicians and finance companies are looking for?

What are the long-term advantages of “helping Wall St” vs. “helping Main St”?

Comment by James
2008-10-14 17:12:28

I don’t think it matters either way.

If you get a cramdown the bank eats the loss and is insolvent.
Probably get a pox upon your credit rating. House is still worth less and can’t sell it for a profit and have little to no equity.

If you or your neighboor defaluts and the loan sells at market for much less than you paid. Then you have to make the decision if its better to walk away and take the credit hit or eat the losses. Bank is still insolvent.

Basically you are a knifecatcher. The things hitting the floor are your fingers. Sorry.

Hope for high inflation to even things out a bit. Of course, housing prices will still be depressed and your money is tied up in the bad asset class so you miss out on the gains.

 
 
Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2008-10-14 15:47:50

The morbid part of me really wants to see this go down because the resulting meltdown will be awesome. I mean c’mon, when Bernanke called for this several months back he lost any credibility he might have had. An academic? Please! Any one who can’t see the dominos lined up and ready to fall by pulling the trigger on this idea is a moron.

I guess what I’m trying to say is yes…everyone will stop paying their mortgages. Think about it. How many responsible Americans are there left out there willing to “take one for the team”, that is to stand back idly and watch Joe Irresponsible next door get his principle reduced and say ” oh well, it’s good for the country”. Yeah right! The way they see it, they’re already going to be paying for this fiasco for the rest of their natural lives (and most of their childrens).

 
Comment by FP
2008-10-14 15:57:56

What is it? 1-5% of all mortgages go into default. If the lenders reduce principles on these bad loans, then they should keep quiet because that 95-99% who are making good on their loans will stop paying and demand the same thing. Catastrophe waiting to happen.

 
Comment by hoz
2008-10-14 16:31:54

In ignorance and to lazy to look it up, I do not understand how an individual that owns 2 houses can file BK and get a cramdown from the judge, but an individual filing BK owning a single house is not eligible for a cramdown.

 
Comment by Cassandra
2008-10-15 05:45:45

Tear them down. Turn the fields. Subsidize farming.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-10-14 13:35:30

“Home prices in Southern California are down about 27 percent from last year.”

They must have gone up a lot since August 2008, when they were down about 40.5 percent from last year.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-10-14 14:33:08

Maybe I was off base there. The 40.5 decline is for the entire State of CA. Not sure about SoCal…

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-10-14 13:35:47

Domestic violins can tear a symphony apart…

“Symphony violinist Laurie Stiles, a Pasadena resident, said Monday that the news was ‘like a punch in the stomach’ to the musicians. ‘We did not expect it,’ she said. ‘It’s very shocking.’”

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-10-14 13:37:51

On the bright side, now is a good time to go shopping for high-end foreign violins…

Comment by Big V
2008-10-14 14:09:49

Yes, it is. PB: Do you remember when I went shopping for 3/4-length (last year)? I got a good deal on a pretty good old German number back then (bought at a shop in a high-end hood, where people have stuff like that). It was probably a $3-4k violin, ask was $2k, I paid 1.8.

I looked on craigslist a few days ago and, amongst the long list of $50 student crapolins, I actually saw a few of the really high-end numbers. The type that go for $20-50k. I have never seen anything like that advertised on a public forum. Of course, they were all full-length instruments, but I am hoping to find a good old French 3/4 over the next couple years at a good discount. I don’t want to pay $20k. If I could get a $20k violin for $10k, I’d do it.

Let me know if you come across one in person that you are able to play and evaluate. I want one with a responsive attitude and an open personality. I am willing to take a vacay in order to meet said potential instrument in person.

Comment by DinOR
2008-10-14 14:22:22

All of this became completely unnecessary when Leo Fender invented the Stratocaster. ( Although I’ll have to admit that musical instruments have become another “soft market” commodity ) Another victim of the bust.

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-10-14 14:54:48

“I want one with a responsive attitude and an open personality.”

LOL. You’re starting to sound like people who say a particular wine has, “elegance, complexity, savor, and balance” or is “rich and layered, with bold flavors and polished texture.”

WTF?

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Comment by Big V
2008-10-14 16:25:28

Sleepless:

Not everyone has the same intelligence, education, and inclinations.

 
Comment by calex
2008-10-14 18:58:29

LOL. sound like people who say a particular wine has, “elegance, complexity, savor, and balance” or is “rich and layered, with bold flavors and polished texture.”

ROTFLMAO

That sounds just like them. Give them vinagar and they would describe it the same way.

 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2008-10-15 13:19:39

““I want one with a responsive attitude and an open personality.”

LOL. You’re starting to sound like people who say a particular wine has, “elegance, complexity, savor, and balance” or is “rich and layered, with bold flavors and polished texture.”

WTF?”

She wants a slut. :D

 
 
 
Comment by DinOR
2008-10-14 14:14:29

We really need to let classical music die a natural death. Had it not been for “deep-pocketed donors” it would have a long time ago. ( Please see “Things White People Like” ) or in this case… “pretend” to like? Who’d have thunk a bunch of drunk guys playing 12 bar blues and a harmonica would spell the end for Mozart?

Perhaps we can preserve it in a time capsule or something.

Comment by Big V
2008-10-14 14:28:54

Oh, DinOR, you silly gosling. You just don’t know what’s good. Classical isn’t the only thing you can play with a violin. And it makes such a pretty sound. You can’t get that with an electric one. Not to say that an electric one can’t be used to artistic advantage, but it does not replace the original.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2008-10-14 14:30:58

Don’t wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty, and the pig enjoys it.

 
Comment by DinOR
2008-10-14 14:50:33

Big V,

Like I say, go to “Things White People Like.com” They lampoon “appreciation” of the Opera etc. more effectively than I ‘ever’ could! Face it, it’s on life support and yet 70,000 people pay $300 a pop to see the Stones. Go figure?

But you’re right, the electric guitar didn’t replace the acoustic by any means but even bluegrass bands draw a bigger crowd and the original ref. from the article ‘was’ to classical. Then again I’m almost 50 and I play in a rock band with 20 yr. olds so yeah, my view is a little “skewed”.

 
Comment by milkcrate
2008-10-14 17:41:32

Donor-Big
Nothing better on the ears than fiddle music.
Violin with an attitude.
As for classics, I had to ask my kid’s piano teacher to
work in some Taylor Swift tunes, cuz the a minor classsics were putting child to sleep.

DiNor, that is.
handheld spazzing at Annie rehearsal

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-10-14 14:29:51

There is no accounting for taste (sorry — I can’t figure out how to turn on the snob tag).

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Comment by aladinsane
2008-10-14 15:05:14

Musical elitists are what’s wrong with this country?

 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-10-14 15:11:42

We really need to let classical music die a natural death. Had it not been for “deep-pocketed donors” it would have a long time ago. ( Please see “Things White People Like” ) or in this case… “pretend” to like? Who’d have thunk a bunch of drunk guys playing 12 bar blues and a harmonica would spell the end for Mozart?’

This white person really does love violin music and other classical music thingies, like opera and stuff. Why, I was just singing the Butterfly Duet from “Madam Butterfly’, a relatively well known white-people opera, when I went to the Grotlet. And how can I sing a duet, you ask? Skillz, baybee. And wild enthusiasm.
I love the blues, too. I also like harmonicas, and, come to think of it, I am fond of pigs as well.
Now, what I’d really like to see is a pig render the Butterfly Duet with a harmonica. This would have to be a talented pig, of course. Oh, and I want it to be wearing a sunbonnet, because I think sunbonnets are cute.
I think we can all agree on this.

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Comment by bicoastal
2008-10-14 17:54:01

Just got tix for “Madama Butterfly” at the Met (the Anthony Minghella version), my big cultural splurge for the fall. This (yes, I am white) person really loves opera, just as much as she loves blues, jazz, rock and Willie Nelson. It’s true that the audiences are mostly white and skew older in the U.S., but then again who is paying those huge prices for Rolling Stone tickets?

 
Comment by socaljettech
2008-10-14 18:39:34

Yeah- we could really have done without those bands like Queen, Yes, Trans Siberian Orchestra, ect that were openly influenced by classical music and opera. I would much rather listen to the mindless blather of Brittney on the “pop” stations or maybe some hate music from the rap stations. Thank God for satellite radio……
(by the way, my teenage children still love to see the Nutcracker at Christmas)

 
Comment by calex
2008-10-14 19:10:37

The old stuff is really not that bad when you really, really listen. You have to pay attention to it. Not like that pop crap. After listening to a pop song you can easily forget that you just heard it. But you will remember the thongs that flashed across the screen while you watched it on MTV.
“What was that song about?”
“I don’t know, but she had a nice rack”

 
Comment by dustartist
2008-10-14 19:20:38

Short attention span??? Really, Britney and gangsta rap?

 
Comment by InMontana
2008-10-15 05:36:15

MTV ruined pop. It became a visual instead of just a listening experience. The video is a distraction. Sometimes it takes me a couple years to realize the music itself was actually pretty good, but for the stupid story and schtick from the video. Especially since the “storylines” seem to be devised by 12-year-old boys.

 
Comment by Cassandra
2008-10-15 05:56:30

Opera is what happens when one yodels in Italian.

(yes, I’m white)

 
 
Comment by talon
2008-10-14 20:07:23

If you mean would symphony orchestras and opera companies survive without corporate and/or deep pocketed private donors, the answer is no. But the neither would football stadiums and basketball arenas get built without large infusions of public money, so I’m not quite sure what point you’re trying to make.

As for classical music “dying,” it’s been around since the Renaissance, and it will be around 400 years from now because there will always be people who want to play it and listen to it.

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Comment by VicthebrickV
2008-10-14 22:05:48

“classical music needs to die a natual death”. Sounds similar to a comment I heard from a mortgage broker a couple of years ago that the 30 year mortgage with 20 percent down is irrevelant.

Oly, I like your comments, but I will forgive you for this one.

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Comment by wmbz
2008-10-14 13:53:45

Come on Laurie, why not put on a free concert, don’t want to get rusty.

 
Comment by az_lender
2008-10-14 16:37:18

I’m shocked too, that Pasadena can’t support its concerts. But they have free classical music on Wednesdays at noon in that church on Los Robles. So maybe the many classical-music lovers in Pas have decided to slum it.

 
 
Comment by Molly
2008-10-14 13:38:35

““The California Association of Realtors plans to make its annual prediction for home prices and sales when it gathers today through Thursday at the Long Beach Convention Center…”

Come on snipers, where are you?

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-10-14 14:16:55

Does the mainstream media have any credible alternatives to opinions on the real estate market? Why doesn’t HUD or its state-level proxies keep data and make predictions, especially since affordable housing and increased homeownership is a “government mandate”?

 
Comment by Suzy K
2008-10-14 14:54:52

Gosh I’m waiting for the bulletin from my broker sister this evening out of Long Beach. I find it tremendously facinating hearing the from these people and their fantasy predictions for the coming year.

 
Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2008-10-14 15:55:09

Snipers? Nah, not messy enough. Get a few cases of liquor and round up the JT Sodomites. Give ‘em the address and the rest will just take care of itself.

 
Comment by Kyle
2008-10-15 11:05:55

A truckload of Tabasco-marinated Joshua Trees is on the way from Antelope Valley.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2008-10-14 13:55:10

“want to create a public-private partnership to act as a caretaker for the assets the federal government buys up, to ensure the homes are maintained and sold in a systematic way.”

WOW! W

 
Comment by wmbz
2008-10-14 14:00:15

“want to create a public-private partnership to act as a caretaker for the assets the federal government buys up, to ensure the homes are maintained and sold in a systematic way.”

WOW! What a concept, use taxpayer dollars to prop up your house prices. You guys must have put together a panel of ‘experts’ to come up with that idea. Won’t work dickweed, this sucka is going down.

 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-10-14 14:02:02

“To prevent a repeat, local officials — and private investors — would use the public-private partnership corporation to help ensure that properties are sold strategically over time. Thus, values wouldn’t decline further because of a sudden glut of homes on the market.”

Crony Capitalism anyone ? This plan insures a few favored insiders get to buy up property without those nasty competing bids and little downside risk. The real crapola that is left will be sold to the public or left on the cities liability lists.

Comment by DinOR
2008-10-14 14:18:03

Right, and I couldn’t care less if they meet with the blade of a bolldozer. There’s nothing there ‘to’ salvage. Where do the clowns that created the problem get off with a naked play to put their hands directly in the cookie jar?

 
 
Comment by LaLawyer
2008-10-14 14:35:56

From the 2008 CAR housing outlook (in pertinent part):
“Meanwhile, the statewide median price will show its first decline since 1996, with a projected 5.5 percent annual decline in 2008 to $536,500.”

http://tinyurl.com/4q3op3

How did that prediction work out? Can ANYONE in the press please hold their feet to the fire? Just ask this one simple question:

Why should anyone believe a single word your write or say?

Comment by Tim
2008-10-14 19:29:06

Since they are in the business of selling houses for commission, I don’t think its fair to expect them not to be optimistic. Instead, I think they should be barred from giving investment advice or outlooks. Violations should be subject to severe legal penalties.

 
 
Comment by ChillintheOC
2008-10-14 14:43:21

“O’Toole said that if lenders start reducing the principal balances owed on many loans, then ‘they are likely to encourage nondefaulting homeowners to default in the hopes of securing similar reductions.’ That ultimately would increase defaults, not decrease them as intended, O’Toole predicted.”
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When you think how many recent buyers (since 2005) there are out there and that most are probably underwater, this has huge downside potential. Could get interesting in 2009.

Just like the Bankruptcy Bill now actually encourages people to keep servicing the credit cards but foreclose on the home, this new bailout scheme has some severe moral hazard attached.

 
Comment by ChillintheOC
2008-10-14 14:46:22

““The California Association of Realtors plans to make its annual prediction for home prices and sales when it gathers today through Thursday at the Long Beach Convention Center…”

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Maybe Gary (”15% It’s in the Bag”) Watts will give another one of his long anticipated “Economic Assessments”.

 
Comment by LaLawyer
2008-10-14 14:56:48

From the 2008 CAR housing outlook (in pertinent part):
“Meanwhile, the statewide median price will show its first decline since 1996, with a projected 5.5 percent annual decline in 2008 to $536,500.”

How did that prediction work out? Can ANYONE in the press please hold their feet to the fire? Just ask this one simple question:

Why should anyone believe a single word your write or say?

 
Comment by JohnF
2008-10-14 15:00:22

“Where the economy goes from here is largely dependent on consumer confidence and spending, said Edward Leamer, a professor with UCLA Anderson. ‘All the anecdotes are extremely worrisome,’ Leamer said. ‘If that (consumer) fear continues, we’re going to have a really bad couple of quarters. We need to have our leadership and the media say, ‘It’s not that bad, and it’s OK to go out and spend.’”

Yeah, and borrow, borrow, and borrow some more to keep that spending up - it increases your wealth you know!

Someone please check to make sure this Leamer guy actually has an economics degree. He must have been sleeping during the “Family Income And Its Impact On Spending” lecture.

People aren’t spending less because they are scared, it’s because they are maxed out and the lending window is closed for deadbeats (at least for the time being).

Comment by markmax33
2008-10-14 15:37:12

I suggest we all send this joker an email and tell him what we think of his ideas:

Edward Leamer

Professor, Chauncey J. Medberry Chair in Management, Director, UCLA Anderson Forecast

Phone: (310) - 206-1452
Fax: (310) - 825-4011

edward DOT leamer AT anderson DOT ucla DOT edu

Comment by Big V
2008-10-14 16:12:31

My e-mail to Ed:

Dear Mr. Leamer:

In a recent interview, you were quoted as such:

“Where the economy goes from here is largely dependent on consumer confidence and spending, said Edward Leamer, a professor with UCLA Anderson. ‘All the anecdotes are extremely worrisome,’ Leamer said. ‘If that (consumer) fear continues, we’re going to have a really bad couple of quarters. We need to have our leadership and the media say, ‘It’s not that bad, and it’s OK to go out and spend.’”

I want you to know, Ed, that the truth will set you free. Had you been more honest about this crisis as it was forming (i.e., during the credit expansion while house prices were skyrocketing), then perhaps you could have helped prevent today’s fallout (i.e., the credit crunch and plumetting house prices). Get real. People need the truth if they are to prosper.

Sincerely,
Big V
Renter

Comment by socaljettech
2008-10-14 18:31:56

Mine’s alot simpler (since he obviously doesn’t get it)……

(cue Sam Kineson voice)

Ed:

SPEND WHAT?!!!!! THEY’RE BROKE!!!!!!! THEY DON’T HAVE ANY MONEY!!!!!!!! THEY’RE BROKE!!!!!!

Respectfully, (yeah right)

Socaljettech

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Comment by SDGreg
2008-10-14 16:11:15

“We need to have our leadership and the media say, ‘It’s not that bad, and it’s OK to go out and spend.’”

Where’s his head been for the last 7 years? That was done in 2001 which has led us to the brink of a depression greater than the first GD.
It is that bad and borrowing more to support unnecessary consumer spending is a supremely poor idea.

How about leadership to push wages of workers higher instead of those for do nothing CEOs? Even that does little in the near term. There is a massive amount of debt that must be written down or paid down before spending can reasonably increase, even if wages do go up.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-10-14 16:30:52

“How about leadership to push wages of workers higher…”

Once again, globalizing wages is far more important to the PTB than supporting house prices ever will be. If it weren’t for this wacky election and the need to try to “manage” the unwind this might be easier to see.

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-10-14 15:09:06

“The car industry in California — the country’s largest car market — employs more than 100,000 people and had overall sales in 2006 of $86 billion, according to the National Automobile Dealers Association (NADA).”
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In retrospect, perhaps NADA wasn’t the best acronym for a industry on cruise control to Palookaville?

Comment by Big V
2008-10-14 15:36:02

NADA! Ha. That’s right up there with Manteca. What do you call it when auto companies start to see declining US sales? “NADA problem”, we’ll just start selling our cars to rich people in Moscow.

 
Comment by socaljettech
2008-10-14 18:22:37

I thought it was maybe a reference to what the cars are worth now that they’re all made in Mexico - remember when Chevy tried to sell Novas in Latin America? (no- va or “doesn’t go” in Spanish). Brilliant marketing…….. no wonder they’re bankrupt!

Comment by The_Overdog
2008-10-15 13:30:51

That was a myth, and an incredibly dumb one at that as Nova branded gas is sold in Mexico. Would you buy a dinette set from a company called Notable Kitchens and Dining?

 
 
Comment by Curt
2008-10-15 03:58:45

Since I owe more than my car is worth, I’m just going to walk away from it!

 
 
Comment by ouro verde
2008-10-14 15:37:24

“With turmoil in the financial markets hitting its usual roster of deep-pocket donors, the Pasadena Symphony can’t afford to stage its November concert and has cancelled the performance, co-Executive Director Tom O’Connor said Monday.”

I just posted my new song on bits today!
Sung to the tune of Don’t cry for me Argentina.

Don’t cry for me Pasadena…
You were supposed to see it coming.
I kept my promise, now keep your distance.

Actually my mom is the typical Pasadena symphony party girl and still going strong.

 
Comment by building frenzy
2008-10-14 15:40:55

“Commercial real estate joined a long list of negative economic indicators for San Diego County: job losses for five of the last six months, house prices 30 percent below a 2005 peak, foreclosure rates double a year ago and incomes failing to keep pace with inflation.”

Why in the hell did it take so long. I brought out my old posting name in honor of the overbuilding graveyard mentioned in this article.
OV

 
Comment by salinasron
2008-10-14 16:41:53

“Giberson said. There are about 540,000 real estate agents and brokers statewide. Most do not belong to the organization and cannot call themselves Realtors.”

Mr. Giberrrrrson, get a grip on reality: When any property could be sold to anyone at any cost, do you really believe that any of the 540K RE agents and brokers who don’t belong to your organization give a rats ass as they pocketed their 6% or fraction thereof while saving by not paying tribute to you and yours.

 
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