October 27, 2008

Houses Bigger Than Their Egos

The Sacramento Bee reports from California. “‘Welcome,’ says the letter dated May 20, 2005. ‘It is a pleasure to have you as a new loan customer of Fremont Investment & Loan.’ Mailed to Erin O’Hagan of Sacramento, and multiplied hundreds of thousands of times elsewhere in the United States, they launched a financial crisis that is now rocking the world. More than three years after getting that letter, O’Hagan said, ‘Who would have thought it all would crash and burn the way it did?’”

“In the spring of 2005, Erin O’Hagan worked at Chicago Title’s Roseville branch, helping close the thousands of escrows that were part of the region’s sizzling housing boom. ‘I was making a better salary than at any time in my life,’ she said. ‘I never thought it would end.’”

“Today, she can’t believe what they signed. ‘I had to have 100 percent financing no matter what,’ she said. ‘But we had a chance to get a hell of a lot better deal than that.’”

“On Jan. 15, 2008, the house went into foreclosure, one of 5,278 homes turned over to the bank during the first three months of 2008. O’Hagan and her family had missed eight payments. O’Hagan lives today in a rented town house in Woodland. But she still cringes when the phone rings. Collection agents are demanding payment for her $95,000 down payment – a tactic that’s illegal in California, said Elk Grove foreclosure attorney Jonathan Stein.”

“When she drives east on I-80 she can see the top of the duplex on Hamilton Street. ‘But I try not to even look,’ O’Hagan said. She hopes to buy another house someday.”

From Bloomberg. “For almost a year, Luis Flores has been lobbying mortgage lender IndyMac Federal Bank FSB to cut his house payments. They have doubled since he refinanced his home loan in 2005 and he can’t afford them, Flores says. ‘Every time I call them they say they can’t help,’ said Flores, a graphic designer and bartender in Contra Costa County, California. ‘They tell you the solution is that they take Visa or MasterCard.”’

“Flores refinanced his mortgage through IndyMac, the Pasadena, California-based company that was seized by the FDIC in July. Two months after his loan was issued near the end of 2005, it adjusted from 1.5 percent interest to about 9 percent, Flores said. That lifted his monthly payment to $3,700 from $1,700 and covered only the interest. He said his home is worth $255,000 today and he owes about $480,000.”

“‘I want a payment that I can afford, and I want to feel like I’m making payments toward the house,’ said Flores. He’s told the bank in e-mails and phone calls that he can pay $2,300 to $2,500 a month, he said.”

From ABC News. “Each day from July through September, more than 2,700 Americans lost their homes in foreclosure…up from 1,200 a day a year ago. Sophie Lapointe, a mortgage broker in Las Vegas, has found there’s little that can be done to help people who owe more than their homes are worth. ‘The biggest problem is negative equity,’ she said.”

“Plunging prices have had even more impact on investors than on homeowners because investors have less emotional attachment to a house. They’re even more likely to walk away, especially if they’ve put little money into a property. Investors purchased one of every five homes last year, and almost one of every three when the market peaked in 2005, according to the Realtors trade group.”

“Maria Martinez, an administrative worker at the county jail in Stockton, Calif., is typical of homeowners who have gotten help, but not enough. She is three months behind on her mortgage, even after receiving a loan modification earlier this year. Though Martinez bought the house more than a decade ago for only $76,000, she now owes about $230,000 because she refinanced her home loan several times.”

“‘I was trying to borrow some money to pay some bills,’ said Martinez, who is on leave from her job this month after being diagnosed with cancer. ‘I didn’t really think…that I would get into a bind like this.’”

From National Public Radio . “Over the past three months, a record number of Californians lost their homes to foreclosure. And some of those financial losses are turning into human tragedies, as reports of suicide and other desperate behavior emerge.”

“Scott Harden lives on a quiet street in North Pasadena. But before dawn one recent morning, Harder woke up and smelled smoke coming from the home of his 53-year-old neighbor. Harden called 911. When emergency personnel arrived, they found Dunn’s body in her rear bedroom. She’d apparently set her house afire and shot herself in the head. Dunn had been facing eviction from the only home she’d ever known.”

“Dunn had inherited her bungalow from her family and lost it after she stopped working because of a disability; she had also made some bad financial decisions. The new owner let Dunn rent the yellow stucco bungalow, but he lost the house when the subprime meltdown sent all of California’s real estate into a tailspin.”

“Beverly Hills psychologist Kenneth Siegel says Californians are especially attached to their residential real estate. ‘California represented for many of us the pinnacle of the effects of hard work,’ Siegel said, ‘of the ability to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps.’”

“Owning a home, Siegel said, ‘represented the physical manifestation of all we have done and how hard we have worked.’”

“But Californians’ dream of a modest detached home, Siegel says, often morphed into something far grander when the economic boom of the 1990s made home loans — many of them subprime — easier to come by. ‘So here, as much as anyplace else, people did overbuy, their houses were bigger than their egos,’ Siegel said, ‘and they in fact invested more of themselves and more of their savings in them.’”

“Middle-class status that once seemed a given isn’t anymore. Scott Harden says there are more and more signs reading ‘BANK OWNED’ popping up on his town’s lawns — something he never thought he’d see. ‘As this is happening in Pasadena — I think it’s sort of shaking people to their core,’ Harden said.”

The Glendale News Press. “The Glendale Pawn Shop, a Brand Boulevard store specializing in relatively inexpensive jewelry and easily acquired loans, has experienced a recent surge in business as the economy sinks south on continued fiscal concerns.”

“But the difference between now and a year ago, said manager Meredith Rosenberg, is that more well off customers are utilizing the pawn shop’s services to either secure loans or shop for jewelry that is comparatively cheaper. Lending and pawning items make up 90% of the company’s business as bank lending becomes more tepid, Rosenberg said.”

“‘Right now a lot of people are in destitute times,’ she said. ‘We’re seeing a lot of people that come in who don’t have the best credit or access to credit cards. People of all walks of life. And we’re making the most of it.’”

The Recordnet. “There may be a financial crisis on Wall Street and a housing crisis on Main Street, but it’s a busy time for jewelry buyers and pawnbrokers. That’s a mixed bag for Annette Hoag, co-owner of Annette’s North Stockton Jewelry and Loan. In terms of making small, short-term loans, she said, ‘We’re up 57 percent in the last six months, but what people don’t realize, the retail side of the business … is gone. People aren’t buying anything.’”

“While the business has many regular customers, it is also seeing more first-time customers, who often display a mixture of trepidation, fear, shame and sadness. Hoag said she’s had customers begin to cry in her shop.”

“The story’s much the same at Cassidy’s Jewelry & Loan in downtown Stockton, where Tim Cassidy recently showed a visitor a few of 64 drawers overflowing with envelopes containing jewelry on pawn. ‘The biggest reasons we used to make loans was PG&E,’ he said, noting that being disconnected and then hit by the utility’s heavy penalty and reconnection fees far exceed the cost of a pawnbroker’s loan. ‘The biggest reason we’re making loans now is gas.’”

“One day last week, while there was an ongoing string of customers visiting the pawnshop that faces south onto Clarane Avenue, no one stopped by the jewelry shop that fronts on Pacific Avenue. ‘Last year, Christmas was off. This year, I don’t know if there will even be a Christmas,’ Hoag fretted.”

The LA Daily News. “When her children were little, Tina Wisner used to read them the book about the Grinch who stole Christmas, but she never thought she would one day be living out the story. In Wisner’s real-life account, the Grinch is corporate. ‘We are canceling Christmas. We have no choice,’ said Wisner, who this week was laid off from her position as product manager at American International Group’s insurance division in Woodland Hills. ‘We joked about it a few weeks ago. But now it’s serious. It’s not figurative. It’s literal.’”

“The Wisners have annually hosted a big Christmas party for family and friends at their comfortable brick home that spills out to a spacious patio and pool. That’s canceled.”

“It has become a difficult time for her as she looks for a high-paying executive job for the first time in almost a decade and knows the nest egg is almost gone. ‘We used our savings for two years - a lot of our savings,’ she said. ‘We actually depleted our savings. We used some of our investment money. I borrowed from my retirement fund, and I’m still paying that.’”

The County Sun. “Tightened credit markets, layoffs and a meltdown in the nation’s housing and financial sectors have created a lot of uncertainty for consumers. But one thing’s certain - this holiday shopping season is not going to be pretty for retailers.”

“Belen Macias, staffing manager for CORESTAFF Services in West Covina, said her office has been getting fewer calls this year from companies seeking temporary workers. ‘The clothes are on the racks but people are not buying,’ she said. ‘I asked a gal who works at the mall what she was forecasting for Christmas and she said it would be very slow. People will be shopping the discount racks. I’ve been doing this for 14 years and this … is the worst I’ve ever seen.’”

The Manteca Bulletin. “It’s 32 days until Thanksgiving. But Gail Teunissen and the rest of the Turkeys R Us volunteers have just 20 days to raise $18,725 to make sure 1,250 struggling families in Manteca, Ripon and Lathrop have at least a turkey for the main course. They’ve collected just $90 so far.”

“Unlike in the past 10 years when the community has come through with $37,500 each holiday season to cover the main course for needy families for both Thanksgiving and Christmas this year is offering a more daunting challenge. In previous years, construction workers often would donate $100 a pop to the effort. This year, some of those previous donors are now struggling to make ends meet.”

“‘We’re not too worried,’ Teunissen said. ‘It’s still kind of early.’”




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Comment by Professor Bear
2008-10-27 15:39:20

‘Who would have thought it all would crash and burn the way it did?’

I can think of a few individuals…

Comment by Bronco
2008-10-27 15:50:17

certainly not Bubbleswamy

Comment by bubbleswamy
2008-10-27 16:05:43

Bronco, i still don’t as the nos in bay area (eg Cupertino) has still not come down!!!!!….still the same as few years ago… 25 bids to a 1500 sq ft $900k home….

Comment by Bronco
2008-10-27 16:06:41

Crapertino sux…you are a dillusional individual.

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Comment by bubbleswamy
2008-10-27 16:17:22

Listen… my friend purchased $1.3m 1500 sq ft home at cupertino two years ago and for the same money one of my other friend bought a $5000 sq ft home at San Ramon.. Today he can sell the cup home for $1.2m but if the other friend has to sell his San Ramon house, he won’t get beyond $800k…so who make a good choice here?

 
Comment by Bronco
2008-10-27 16:18:21

me, by not buying into the hype!

 
Comment by SV_Renter
2008-10-27 16:26:55

A $5000 square foot house?

 
Comment by SV_Renter
2008-10-27 16:28:35

Neither made a good choice. They both vastly overpaid for a 1500 sq. foot house and both lost money.

 
Comment by Skroodle
2008-10-27 18:29:00

If he had paid Icelandic króna5000 or €5000 square foot house he would really be in trouble today.

 
Comment by SuzyK
2008-10-27 20:13:49

I would suggest your friend in Crapertino sell now…..

 
Comment by HellBoy
2008-10-28 13:51:33

Exactly, he can get $1.2 NOW… What about next year?

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2008-10-27 16:39:38

Let bubbles have his way…..

Prices don’t matter if you intend to DIE IN YOUR HOME…it’s just your kids will get pissssed that you paid $1.2 mill for a house they can sell for $400K today

enjoy

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Comment by bubbleswamy
2008-10-27 16:45:36

$1.2m going down to $400k at Cupertino….. i doubt if this will happen in my generation…

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2008-10-27 16:50:19

You will die someday……and your kids will hate you for wasting your money

oh well its your choice

 
Comment by We Rent!
2008-10-27 18:31:06

I know a 1.2 milllion dollar house near my in-law’s. It went down to 200k.

In Japan. A few decades ago.

We Rent.

 
Comment by SuzyK
2008-10-27 20:20:12

Hmm…. well median household income for Cupertino indicates a median home price around 400K so yeah in your lifetime trollie

 
Comment by Leighsong
2008-10-27 21:08:56

::::burp:::::

Oly, are you out there?

Fish food —

The trolls are here!

See!

There are a few left in the basement.

Da dum dee dum…

I ate ‘em…burp

Scuze me,

Leigh

 
 
Comment by Big V
2008-10-27 20:31:17

Bubbleswarmy will eventually go the way of joeyinca and SiO2. Once they realize they were wrong, they disappear. Even up ’till a few months ago, I would try to save the blind from themselves. Today’s naysayers, however, are more than just blind; they’re stubborn. I don’t believe it’s worth the effort any more.

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Comment by SiO2
2008-10-28 12:52:28

hey hey…
I have been trying to work harder to get my house instead of whining. hence the lack of posting.

I have now seen price cuts in Saratoga and Los
Altos, and foreclosures in Los Gatos. So, things are different now than in the summer.

Please note though, I didn’t say these would never go down. But up to recently I said it had not gone down. Now it has. some places are starting to look interesting. I know I won’t get rich on them, but I don’t get rich going on vacation either. I would like to live in a nice place, even if it costs more than where I live now.

Will the median price in Cupertino go to $400k, or $100k, or $400? I don’t know. I’d estimate that it depends on the tech industry. If we have a 2001 style blowup then it will go down a lot, if not, then probably go down somewhat but not a lot. Sadly I am unable to put precise metrics on it. I do doubt that it will be cheaper than renting in good neighborhoods though, that has not been the case since 1992 at least, and that was the last housing bust.
(I understand that the US economy now is worse than 2001, but up to now at least the SJ economy is better than 2001.)

 
Comment by HellBoy
2008-10-28 13:56:56

Tech is starting to lay folks off; Yahoo, Google and others. VC firms have already told their start ups they have to cut costs and that most likely means head count reductions. IF things don’t get better soon you have only seen the begining of the layoffs in Sillycon valley.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-10-27 16:23:36

Oh my — bubbleswamy is a real poster. I thought you were making up a fake blog handle…

Comment by Bronco
2008-10-27 16:38:14

he is our sole troll these days

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Comment by Muir
2008-10-27 16:54:17

Don’t abuse him then!
There are so few, we have a scarcity!

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-10-27 17:16:31

They are precious.

We need to wind them up before the hammer comes down. Don’t waste this precious opportunity; we haven’t had one in ages!

 
Comment by Mugsy
2008-10-27 18:49:06

Aren’t trolls a protected species in California?

 
 
 
Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2008-10-27 16:50:51

Who the hell is bubbleswamy?!! I go away for a little bit, the JT’s start gathering some dust, and lo-and-behold the rif-raf starts blowing in like so many tumbleweeds.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-10-27 17:23:00

Aaah, there you are.

Both the JT and the opera glasses were getting all dusty but after Ben’s debut on the NYC show, we have a new round of trolls.

This is gonna be great!

My sister has friends in Crapertino and all of them are quaking in her boots. She being my sister can’t resist rubbing it in. ;-)

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Comment by pismoclam
2008-10-27 20:38:37

Where is GetStucco these days? Did she,he,it change the handle or move?

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Comment by az_lender
2008-10-27 21:36:57

Professor Bear = Get Stucco
Has a wife so is probably a man.
Apparently 48 years old IIRC.

(Maybe you knew that, pismoclam, and were just striving for irony.)

 
Comment by Big V
2008-10-28 12:49:01

Yet more evidence that pismoclam lacks observational prowess.

 
Comment by pismoclam
2008-10-29 19:48:26

Big V I won’t tell your unseeing fans about your overweight (fat fatuous) blob,er body. hehehehehehehe

 
 
Comment by az_lender
2008-10-27 21:55:41

Kept trying to reply to pismoclam and it wouldn’t take my post, so I’m trying again by putting it in a slightly wrong place. The reply was:

Professor Bear = Get Stucco
Has a wife so is probably a man.
Apparently 48 years old IIRC.

(Maybe you knew that, pismoclam, but were striving for irony.)

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Comment by Suzanne, I researched this!
2008-10-29 13:07:11

What about Auction Heaven in 07, did he changes his handle? Too bad ol’ ben doesn’t have registrations.

 
 
 
 
Comment by azrenter
2008-10-29 04:30:21

i have a friend in san bernardino ca that i told to sell when i did in aug 2005. then i moved to kingman az. her house is on zillow went from 305000 to 156500. look it up 2695 carlton 92405

 
 
Comment by kpom
2008-10-27 15:41:49

“We have no choice,’ said Wisner, who this week was laid off from her position as product manager at American International Group’s insurance division in Woodland Hills. …
“It has become a difficult time for her as she looks for a high-paying executive job for the first time in almost a decade and knows the nest egg is almost gone. ‘We used our savings for two years - a lot of our savings,’ she said. ‘We actually depleted our savings. We used some of our investment money. I borrowed from my retirement fund, and I’m still paying that.’”

Huh? She got laid off this week, and she has been burning through her nest egg for the last two years?

I don’t understand - shouldn’t she been cutting her expenses earlier?

Comment by KR
2008-10-27 15:44:36

perhaps she used it all up to help her cunsumption addiction. Just another victim of consumer traps?

 
Comment by WT Economist
2008-10-27 15:45:04

“‘We used our savings for two years - a lot of our savings,’ she said. ‘We actually depleted our savings. We used some of our investment money. I borrowed from my retirement fund, and I’m still paying that.’”

It seems people will continue spending until they can’t. For some, that means depleting savings. For most, that means hitting their credit limit.

Comment by az_lender
2008-10-27 21:40:58

I, on the other hand, continued Not Spending until I realized I might no longer have to worry about inflation. Well, not immediately, anyway. Am on my way to becoming a big spender. I started by using the GW Bridge this a.m. despite $8.00 toll. Continued by promising my other grandnephew next year’s safari in Tanzania. Pretty soon I might even buy some clothing other than at the thrift shop.

 
Comment by DebtinNation
2008-10-28 10:26:18

Using their investment money = spent the HELOC.

 
 
Comment by potential buyer
2008-10-27 15:45:35

Yeah, that’s why I get the gag reflex when I read this BS.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-10-27 16:37:57

Ah, the two income trap, as detailed in the book by the same name. Instead of living off one salary (or at least less than two), it appears they continued to live as if they were both working after husband got laid off.

If they had buckled down then, and just lived off her income they might be telling a different story. Even better, had they lived off only one salary the whole time they’d be able to at least buy more time.

But this kinda goes against that whole discussion yesterday about 2 working spouses, which is also detailed in the book. It’s a good read and lays a good foundation for the power of 2 incomes….and the potential destruction of living a 2 income lifestyle when 1 becomes unemployed.

Comment by Hold out in LA
2008-10-28 14:25:47

2 income families was the first stage of devaluation.

Corporations were not stupid. Why pay 1 husband a salary to support 1 family when you can get 2 people to work for the same thing. Heck it increases employee pool so you actually end up paying less with the competition for jobs.

I don’t care who wears the pants, but this liberation came at a substantial cost.

Comment by Joshua Tree
2008-10-29 04:21:43

Hold out,

An interesting comment. Can you advise whether this is a recent conclusion for you, or a throw-back to the old days (circa 1975) when the “right” to work at equal pay was at the centrepiece of liberationist thought?

My personal recollection was being all in favour of equal rights for y-chromosome deficient humans in 1975.

However, since those Halcyon years of youthful stupidity, I have observed over the subsequent decades that the y-chromosome deficient workforce (on the whole) has no intention whatsoever of being a financially contributing member of society, or, indeed, contributing member of a “partnership”. It is a pretence, which is commonly abrogated at the proverbial drop of a hat, in favour of the merest whiff of monetary security.

Don’t get me started on my current thought-crimes, which would mandate proof of a y-chromosome, in order to be able to vote……

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Comment by denquiry
2008-10-27 18:03:54

I heard the govt is hiring. check em out.

 
Comment by Dave of the North
2008-10-27 18:22:32

I’m going “Huh?” at her going to the laundromat to save on energy costs. WTF? She was a product manager - she should know that the laundromat is going to charge enough to cover energy costs plus the other overhead plus a profit. Sheesh. If she wants to save laundry costs, she should wash in cold water and use a clothes line.

Comment by YuppieNOVARenter
2008-10-27 19:25:36

Nearly 50% of everyone has below average intelligence. They can’t think their way out of it, learn their way out of it, or be helped out of it. They are what they are.

Comment by in Colorado
2008-10-27 20:29:59

And many are “executives”

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Comment by DebtinNation
2008-10-28 10:28:19

And that’s why this nation is so effed. We’ve all been brainwashed to think there’s an “Easy” button for everything.

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Comment by Smathic
2008-10-27 15:48:46

“‘We are canceling Christmas. We have no choice,’ said Wisner, who this week was laid off from her position as product manager at American International Group’s insurance division in Woodland Hills. ‘We joked about it a few weeks ago. But now it’s serious. It’s not figurative. It’s literal.’”

“The Wisners have annually hosted a big Christmas party for family and friends at their comfortable brick home that spills out to a spacious patio and pool. That’s canceled.”

Oh, for heaven’s sake.

You’ve been laid off. That’s rough, no doubt.

But “we are canceling Christmas”?? Even if she’s only referring to the party they usually hold, that’s ridiculous. Make the party a potluck; everybody invited brings a food item. BYOB, too. Put on some music and you’ve got yourself a party, at remarkably little expense.

So canceling the party is unnecessary. But if she actually means they are “canceling Christmas” itself…well, this is world-class stupidity. What, because you can’t spend a fortune on gifts, Christmas may as well not exist? I can’t even keep typing about this; I’m getting angry. If that’s all the holiday means to her, maybe she’s right. They shouldn’t celebrate it.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-10-27 16:54:47

Good rant!! Well done. Too bad you got angry, I coulda heard more.

Comment by bob
2008-10-27 17:04:12

Agreed.

The spirit of Christmas is get together with family and friends. I understand that it can be hard to be thankful and happy in tough economic times, but has historically been done through much tougher times …

What about a friend that did not have a layoff in family? What could they not return the duty and have Christmas at their house.

Geeze …

 
 
Comment by sdnewbie
2008-10-27 17:21:48

I must say - I also really enjoyed where you were going with this - it put words to my reaction as I was reading it.

 
Comment by dc_renter
2008-10-27 20:58:33

Good post - I agree with everything you say. And if this dingbat really read the Grinch, she would remember the ending where all the whos down in whoville still celebrated Christmas even though the Grinch (i.e. “corporate”) stole all their presents.

 
Comment by bottomfisherman
2008-10-27 22:31:11

For all too many folks, Christmas =

1. Buying expensive presents on credit they can’t afford
2. Throwing lavish parties they can’t afford to show one’s ’status.’
3. Making sure the kids never have to go without anything because the parents ‘don’t want their kids to grow up like they did.’
4. Stressing out to fight for a parking spot at the mall and being rude to others to battle for this year’s ‘It’ Present.
5. Returning nearly all of the gifts after Christmas to get the cash to buy something else they really don’t need.

In this respect ‘Christmas is Cancelled’ for them.

Sad.

 
Comment by diemos
2008-10-28 07:08:31

“But “we are canceling Christmas”??”

Translation: We are cancelling the big catered gala we would throw every year to rub our friends and neighbors noses in our success.

Trust me, their party had nothing to do with enjoying the company of others.

Comment by slb
2008-10-28 12:38:36

Being confused about how she burned through so much money if she was just laid off I read the article and learned her husband was laid off 2 years ago and chose to ‘get his degree’ [rather than go back to work.] I am so jaded the first thought I had was and once hubby get’s that degree is he running off with the cute coed he probably met?
I was struck by her ‘it’s the children who will suffer’ whining that came through in the article - they may have to pull them out of private parochial school now, and the children are ‘used’ to expensive gifts, which they may have to do without.

 
 
Comment by DebtinNation
2008-10-28 10:30:52

I canceled the commercial side of Christmas years ago. To me, it’s an antithesis to what the holiday is really all about.

 
 
Comment by bubbleswamy
2008-10-27 15:54:05

“It’s 32 days until Thanksgiving. But Gail Teunissen and the rest of the Turkeys R Us volunteers have just 20 days to raise $18,725 to make sure 1,250 struggling families in Manteca, Ripon and Lathrop have at least a turkey for the main course. They’ve collected just $90 so far.”

This is not going to buy too many Turkey sandwitches..

Comment by desmo
2008-10-27 16:18:24

This is not going to buy too many Turkey (sandwitches)

lol, I thought this dinner was for Thanksgiving and not Halloween.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2008-10-27 16:44:54

How many companies for xmas will have BIG HIRING NOW Banners

but in the fine print the pay will be COMMISSION ONLY

 
Comment by denquiry
2008-10-27 18:06:11

how’s bout a bubble samwich?

 
Comment by az_lender
2008-10-27 21:45:31

It’ll buy 30 Maine lobsters, though, at today’s prices.

 
Comment by DebtinNation
2008-10-28 10:34:34

Sounds like those “non-profits” that are going to “buy all the foreclosures” so housing prices stay high. These buffoons get a grant for a couple million and think they’re going to make a dent in things?

 
 
Comment by potential buyer
2008-10-27 15:59:30

OT - anyone see 60 minutes and their segment on derivatives - quite enlightening for the novices?

Comment by mjc
2008-10-27 18:18:54

They never mentioned the author of the bill - GRAMM!!!!

Comment by pismoclam
2008-10-27 20:44:12

Barney Franks,Dodd, and Raines caused the mess in Fr and Fme. The sheeple are still wanting their bail out money and games and still won’t read!!!

 
 
 
Comment by Salinasron
2008-10-27 16:19:52

“It has become a difficult time for her as she looks for a high-paying executive job for the first time in almost a decade and knows the nest egg is almost gone. ‘We used our savings for two years - a lot of our savings,’ she said. ‘We actually depleted our savings. We used some of our investment money. I borrowed from my retirement fund, and I’m still paying that.’”

Now with a resume like that, why in hell would I hire her into a high-paying executive job position?!!! I see divorce in her future.

PS: why couldn’t we find out how many vacations, spa treatments, type of cars leased, etc she peppered herself with.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2008-10-27 16:26:45

“When emergency personnel arrived, they found Dunn’s body in her rear bedroom. She’d apparently set her house afire and shot herself in the head. Dunn had been facing eviction from the only home she’d ever known.”

I heard that story on the way to work this morning. Perhaps that is why I have felt depressed all day. This story really shows the ugly side of the housing bust in a dark light.

Comment by Bronco
2008-10-27 16:29:20

Did you see SRS today? That is why I am depressed today. That and my aching back, of course.

Comment by Professor Bear
2008-10-27 16:30:07

SRS = ?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-10-27 16:32:53

Short real estate ETF.

To the moon, Alice!

(To Bronco, never have “regrets”. You are payed to play the game repeatedly and you will NEVER time things perfectly. Not even Buffett can do that.)

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Comment by Bronco
2008-10-27 16:34:22

you are right, FPSS. if that is my biggest problem, i am lucky.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-10-27 16:48:46

Regrets make you emotional about wins and losses whereas you are paid to be utterly unemotional.

It’s impossible to do (of course!) but it’s a valuable training lesson.

Unless I am genuinely wrong, I have no regrets. And if I am wrong, I try and figure out where I went wrong.

 
 
 
Comment by cougar91
2008-10-27 18:29:34

Yeah sold out at $152… damn it. Hope it comes back down.

Comment by WantsOut
2008-10-29 07:42:02

I can top that. I’ve been in and out for over a year and sold circa $88-92 when the gubermint started with bailout. Completely whiffed on that one.

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Comment by JohnF
2008-10-27 16:28:43

Thousand Oaks (91360) still holding out.

The median (according to DataQuick) price per square foot for SFR’s peaked at about $380/ft and it is only down to around $300/ft (down around 20%) - been stuck at $300/ft for the last 6 months.

Anything under $500,000 sells in a few days, usually with multiple offers…..very frustrating. I’ve seen several under $400,000 SFR’s sell for well over $350/ft.

I’m hoping the Alt-A and prime resets in 2009 will jog things loose…..

Comment by bubbleswamy
2008-10-27 16:49:16

This is much better than the $760/sq ft at Cupertino…

Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2008-10-27 16:55:53

Like we give a fck about about your little anomaly of a town.

Comment by JohnF
2008-10-27 18:18:46

Just trying to give some info in the California thread…..

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Comment by Big V
2008-10-27 20:50:00

He was talking to bubbles. Bubbles still thinks that today’s trend will continue forever in his city. You and Bubbles don’t think alike, do you? If so, then just wait. You will be wrong(er) soon enough.

 
Comment by DebtinNation
2008-10-28 10:42:01

Yes, JohnF, exnvmtgbrkr was clearly replying to bubbleswamy.

 
 
Comment by SuzyK
2008-10-27 20:45:52

Yeah where the hell IS downtown Cupertino anyway? Vallco Fashion Park (Cupertino Square)? De Anza College?…anybody?…anybody?

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Comment by JohnF
2008-10-27 18:23:18

Could be worse, Pacific Palisades (90272) is $1,503/ft……

 
 
Comment by cactus
2008-10-27 19:50:40

yea TO is a tough nut to crack

 
 
Comment by plasticfantastic
2008-10-27 16:31:45

There is a bubble bigger than the housing bubble, and that is the bubble in J6P’s sense of entitlement. These stories are astounding, and would be hard for me to believe if I didn’t live in Los Angeles. But bubbles are a way of life here. There will be another, but it may be awhile.

 
Comment by Jas Jain
2008-10-27 16:51:23


from earlier CA thread… Comment by bubbleswamy — 2008-10-23 15:00:13
“Hi Jas, how about some bay area ones 95014; 94129; 94582; 94086″

bubbleswamy,

Town Zip Cur PPSF Peak PPSF Change

Cupertino 95014 709 729 -2.8%

San Ramon 94582 312 374 -16.6%

Sunnyvale 94086 514 574 -10.5%

XXXXXXX 94129 Not Found In data

These zips are holding lot better than the rest of BA as of “now.” They will soon get hit hard as NASTYQ! is getting hit hard. There is a 3-4 months of time lag.

Jas

Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2008-10-27 17:17:21

Dude, he/she doesn’t need numbers. He/she knows what’s coming, and the anticipation has gotta be brutal. Most have already got their JT-ing over with. Bubbleswamy has been hangin’ over the barrel for months now with the ‘ol brown-eye going all balloon knot in expectation.

Comment by bubbleswamy
2008-10-27 17:45:05

i sincerely wish all what your are saying comes true…. but it’s just not happening in Cupertino…the area I have been living from past 10+ years… HOnestly i see 25 bids for a ordinary looking house and the guy who got made an unconditional bid 100k over… when all of you are saying it will come down in 4 months, I find it very hard to bellieve.. Probably it may come down by 5%, but not to 1999 levels…..

Comment by aNYCdj
2008-10-27 18:10:03

Its all about JOBS, bubbles…when the companies in Cuppertino lay off well bubbles go pop. So time will tell

Housing may have fell 50% in Florida but jobs disappeared just as fast. and 50% off is still too expensive if there are no high paying jobs left.

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Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2008-10-27 18:21:25

Bubbles, promise me you won’t go anywhere. You just might make this blog fun again - as in circa 2006 fun. Ah, how we miss the days of filleting the colossally ignorant. Welcome back!

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Comment by Lane from s.c.
2008-10-27 19:08:54

Bubbleswamy, I agree there are a few areas like what you are describing, not tanking. They are few. I know another…Fisher Island, miami. I would guess that little area has not declined, at least by much, in a area that has calasped. But keep in mind, the few areas you and I talking about are a pimple on a pimple.

Lane

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Comment by az_lender
2008-10-27 21:50:11

Georgetown (DC) still pretty solid AFAIK. So what!

 
 
Comment by bottomfisherman
2008-10-27 22:47:33

I live in Sili Valley (renting) and IMO there are a couple of reasons why Cupertino has been propped up:

1. Chinese imigrants with money have flooded into Cupertino, pumping up demand. They love Cupertino. Check out the Cupertino Village Mall, all of the store signs are in Chinese.

2. Stock market money, esp. AAPL & GOOG has been used to buy into Cupertino RE at inflated prices.

Mighty Cupertino will fall- Chinese stocks are tanking and business there is drying up. Tech stocks have tanked big time, leaving countless option holders underwater. Sili Valley RE is underpinned by the stock market and it’s only a matter of time before the bottom falls out.

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Comment by dwkunkel
2008-10-28 11:07:08

I live in Santa Clara county and you have to understand that a Cupertino address is considered a highly desired status symbol among the Chinese and Indians here. Reality will hit Cupertino as well, it will just take longer.

 
Comment by potential buyer
2008-10-28 15:23:01

Cupertino and Sunnyvale schools are considered very good because hard working Asians have enabled the grade point averages to be higher than the rest of the valley.

Ergo, people buy because they feel the schools are the best in the area, so prices are WAY, WAY out of whack due to continued demand.

It may be falling, but nowhere near enough yet.

 
 
Comment by DebtinNation
2008-10-28 10:48:52

Think about it this way, bubbleswamy. The past 20 or so years, a lot of people got new cars every 3 years and a new computer every year because they could and it was cool.

While you could argue that keeping up on technology was important until a couple of years ago, nowadays, unless you’re a video editor or someone that requires similar bandwidth, chances are you no longer need a new computer/digital camera/whatever every year.

Just as we’ve seen car sales fall off the cliff this last year (geez, I’ve had my older car for 12 years now!), do you not think the same can happen to the tech sector, and all the jobs with it? What will then prop up your beloved Cupertino?

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Comment by bubbleswamy
2008-10-27 17:31:49

Thanks Jas for the info….very helpful…

Comment by az_lender
2008-10-27 21:51:31

Bubbleswamy, we might be more sympathetic if you were to tell us you are a frustrated renter. If you are a homeowner in cupertino, my advice would be, sell ASAP.

 
 
 
Comment by sold in 04
2008-10-27 17:33:19

no borrower desrves to have the terms of his contract re-worked, ….we all live and die by the capitalist sword,reworking these loans rewards speculation and punishes those who have been waiting for the right opportunity.THE BAILOUT STINKS……..

Comment by az_lender
2008-10-27 21:52:41

Worry not, our opportunity is coming soon.

 
 
Comment by Mugsy
2008-10-27 18:46:56

Lots and lots of empty hotel rooms here in San Jose. From 1998-2002 I used to pay upwards of a $140 a night to stay in a dump. Now for $115 I stay in a clean, quiet, king size room in the Holiday INN right off the 101. My how times have changed in silicon valley.

Comment by jbunniii
2008-10-28 08:08:49

The office park next to my apartment building in Mountain View has a few dot-com stragglers and other tech upstart detritus, but if the signs at the entrance are correct, it’s only about 1/3rd occupied right now. I expect it to be completely empty by this time next year.

Comment by Mo Money
2008-10-28 12:42:58

There are research parks at the Trimble/1st street area of San Jose that have been vacant for years. Down on Tasman by Cisco they just ripped out an entire research park and are now building Condos. Other sites are taking big gambles and tearing out the old tilt-ups and putting up multi-floor buildings. I’m not sure what is driving all this commercial building with the amount of existing empty space available.

Comment by Big V
2008-10-28 13:05:59

Tax breaks are driving it. San Jose is really bad about that. They give incentives like no thang, and don’t realize how bad they’re making things.

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Comment by Suzy K
2008-10-28 13:23:38

It’s the ghost of Sarah Winchester….”keep building…”keep building”…..

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by FP
2008-10-27 19:08:40

You know, I really don;t have any sympathy for this lady and her husband.

“Fortunately for her, she received a generous termination package from AIG that she believes will keep her family going through next spring, and she still holds out hope for a possible callback.”

They got too comfortable. They are expecting a handout. She received a generous severance and she is going to wait until they call her back. Go find a job! I don’t know about her husband out of work, but go find a job! If you have to flip burgers, do it. Maybe you can learn from it.

Comment by Mo Money
2008-10-28 12:47:40

Dipping into retirement was the sure sign they were going to crash and burn. Mr College Bum better get his ass back to work and forget the degree for a while. The chances of her landing a high paying job are getting slimmer by the day.

 
 
Comment by Ian
2008-10-28 05:58:12

I brought an investment property in Indianapolis for 130k… will not rent it (too much headaches) but hedging for hyperinflation that will nullify that mortgage. The $700 per month payment will be almost nothing a few years from now.

Plus it’s 1/5th of what I am making after tax and I have plenty of cash and gold reserves.

Also I will claim residency in Indiana and got my driver license etc… so the price of the mortgage is compensated by paying a fraction of the California state tax :-)

In California I rent… call it the hybrid theory.

Comment by climber
2008-10-28 08:53:16

You’d better get some legal advise before filing your taxes.

Comment by Ian
2008-10-28 09:17:22

Yep… either way. I can telecommute 80% of the time and started doing it from there too.

Comment by Big V
2008-10-28 13:09:20

Then why do you live in CA? You sound a little warped, Ian. Are you sure there’s something you’re not telling us? Are you laundering money? Why don’t you hire a property manager for your out-of-state property and rent it out, headache free? When your employer pays you, what state do they put down? They have to put down the state where the work actually occurs.

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Comment by Mot
2008-10-28 16:08:11

You can also get a concealed carry permit in Indiana. Just got my two acres and a brick house for 120K.

 
 
Comment by CABubblin'
2008-10-28 11:11:47

You make me want to puke Flores!!!

“Flores refinanced his mortgage through IndyMac, the Pasadena, California-based company that was seized by the FDIC in July. Two months after his loan was issued near the end of 2005, it adjusted from 1.5 percent interest to about 9 percent, Flores said. That lifted his monthly payment to $3,700 from $1,700 and covered only the interest. He said his home is worth $255,000 today and he owes about $480,000.”

“‘I want a payment that I can afford, and I want to feel like I’m making payments toward the house,’ said Flores. He’s told the bank in e-mails and phone calls that he can pay $2,300 to $2,500 a month, he said.”

If you want a payment you can afford then maybe you should have bought a house you could afford, jacka$$!! If you want to pay $2500 a month, you shouldn’t have taken out a loan for more than $400k. That’s of course assuming you had decent credit, which isn’t likely since you are such a dumba$$!!! So, more likely you shouldn’t have taken out a loan for more than $350k or less.

Foreclosure time!!

 
Comment by CABubblin'
2008-10-28 11:18:37

You make me wanna puke Martinez!!!

“Maria Martinez, an administrative worker at the county jail in Stockton, Calif., is typical of homeowners who have gotten help, but not enough. She is three months behind on her mortgage, even after receiving a loan modification earlier this year. Though Martinez bought the house more than a decade ago for only $76,000, she now owes about $230,000 because she refinanced her home loan several times.”

“‘I was trying to borrow some money to pay some bills,’ said Martinez, who is on leave from her job this month after being diagnosed with cancer. ‘I didn’t really think…that I would get into a bind like this.’”

You ran up your mortgage by $154k!!! Probably to pay your “bills” for a new car or two, vacations, a couple of new LCD TV’s, etc. You deserve what you get!

Foreclosure time!!

(in the unlikely scenario you were paying medical bills, I would feel sorry for you, but in the majority of cases it’s more likely the new car and such scenario)

Comment by HellBoy
2008-10-29 07:16:50

These two examples are the reason why not everyone should own a home. These two are both unstable and should be renting. They obviously cannot afford their current homes and the guy sounds like a renter as he say’s what he can afford to pay while his new loan adjusts upward. It’s flawed gubmint policy that puts people in this position. There is nothing wrong with renting people; especially if you can’t AFFORD to buy!

 
 
Comment by Nozferatu
2008-10-31 13:08:23

“In the spring of 2005, Erin O’Hagan worked at Chicago Title’s Roseville branch, helping close the thousands of escrows that were part of the region’s sizzling housing boom. ‘I was making a better salary than at any time in my life,’ she said. ‘I never thought it would end.’”

Just like your lifespan Erin…that’ll never end either huh?

Honestly…the problem isn’t with the loans issued…it’s with the mass stupidity rampant in this society. I can say, unequivocally now, that people are really really stupid.

 
Comment by Nozferatu
2008-10-31 13:11:18

“In the spring of 2005, Erin O’Hagan worked at Chicago Title’s Roseville branch, helping close the thousands of escrows that were part of the region’s sizzling housing boom. ‘I was making a better salary than at any time in my life,’ she said. ‘I never thought it would end.’”

Just like your lifespan Erin…that’ll never end either huh?

Honestly…the problem isn’t with the loans issued…it’s with the mass stupidity rampant in this society. I can say, unequivocally now, that people are really really stupid!!

 
Comment by Nozferatu
2008-10-31 13:12:28

“In the spring of 2005, Erin O’Hagan worked at Chicago Title’s Roseville branch, helping close the thousands of escrows that were part of the region’s sizzling housing boom. ‘I was making a better salary than at any time in my life,’ she said. ‘I never thought it would end.’”

Just like your lifespan Erin…that’ll never end either huh?

Honestly…the problem isn’t with the loans issued…it’s with the mass stup!di!y rampant in this society. I can say, unequivocally now, that people are really really stup!d.

 
Comment by Nozferatu
2008-10-31 13:13:33

3 times posted…and nothing…Ben…you really need to relax the filter or whatever it is on your blog…it’s ridiculous.

 
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