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The proposition is only one example of the classless disrespect many Americans have shown the president

What goes round, comes round.

Respect isn’t like money. The only way to possess respect is to earn it. It can’t be inherited or won in a lottery. Bush is bankrupt in that sense.

Americans are great…we won’t respect a president just because of his office. He has to earn our respect like NYCB says.

Republicans decided Clinton didn’t deserve their respect cause of the affair. Democrats and Independents and most everyone in the country decided Bush doesn’t deserve respect because of an unnecessary war and an apparent policy of willful ignorance. So we name a sewer plant after him. Only in America!

“We will not tire,
we will not falter,
and we will not fail.”
- G.W. Bush

The Obama state of the union speech will be interesting to hear. Hopefully, it will be more profound than “We need to surrender so we can bridge our woeful gap in fully subsidized English-as-a-third-language kindergarten classes.”

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president… is morally treasonable to the American public.”

Theodore Roosevelt

Uh yeah, little bit different era.

Uhhh folks the proposition was defeated.

If people hate the President, then why not say so? I thought it was a gas!

We’ll soon see just how much hatred can be spewed in the direction of Obama.

The stock market drop of 486 points today is Obama’s fault.

Wh, HELL yes, son!

Thanks, Blano.

Blue body and fluffy yellow hair.

Smurfette?

I begrudgingly voted for Gregoire myself. I’m lukewarm on her.

‘Oh my, Olygal. The mental image of your happy happy tears running down your blue body-paint may not have been suitably rated for this all-ages blog. Or was that just my dirty mind??’

Tell you what, Prime, I’ll make a video. It’ll be one of those ’specialty’ kinds, handed out by furtive distributors. But, and this is the most important thing here, it will be a * patriotic * specialty video.
Possibly a brand new genre! Awesome! Hey, the world really IS changing!

‘Oh my, Olygal. The mental image of your happy happy tears running down your blue body-paint may not have been suitably rated for this all-ages blog. Or was that just my dirty mind??’

Where IS my earlier post?!

you are quite right about the congress, nycb.

i voted for obama, and am thrilled with the symbolism his victory represents. sometimes (like now), the power of a symbol trumps any possible “substance.”

i predict obama will signal his centrist, no bs style by letting the most zealous of the congressional democrats know that reinstating the so-called “fairness doctrine” (that would effectively kill talk radio) is a nonstarter.

but i also enjoy listening to rush limbaugh.

i’m sure there are many, many across the fruited plain that feel the same way.

let Dems know that reinstating the so-called “fairness doctrine” (that would effectively kill talk radio) is a nonstarter.

ROTFLMFAO - I can’t wait to see that one happen!

“centrist no bs style” - who in Hades did you vote for?

I’m actually glad Obama won because a nation in which a half-black man from a broken home can go to Harvard and be elected President means that racism as a cause (or excuse) is dead.

But then so is public financing of elections. How soon will they take that stupid box asking for donations off the IRS form?

How many black people the US were raised by middle-class white people in a state where everyone is a minority?

The presidential candidates of the major parties were two members of the lowest rated congress in the history of the United States.

Says something doesn’t it?

“i predict obama will signal his centrist, no bs style by letting the most zealous of the congressional democrats know that reinstating the so-called “fairness doctrine” (that would effectively kill talk radio) is a nonstarter.”

Are you kidding??? Obama threw journalists from three organizations that did not endorse him off his plane! That is not the action of a man who will tolerate anyone who disagrees with him.
I predict Obama will lead the charge in trying to silence any serious criticism of him or his administration, and begin by pushing the “fairness doctrine” as hard and fast as possible.

“but i also enjoy listening to rush limbaugh.”

“i’m sure there are many, many across the fruited plain that feel the same way.”

Not only do a I not enjoy listening to Rush, I don’t appreciate that being my only option. If it takes a new fairness doctrine to bring back other options, please bring it back. These are supposedly the public airwaves, not state run corporate media.

Dubya turned out to be a big government socialist.

It’s really hard to ‘accuse’ anyone in the good ‘ole USA of socialism when the Gubment has effectively nationalized the entire economy. Free markets…my A double S.

I guess that really is what defines the difference between the political parties these days. The Reps socialize corporate America and the Dems socialize the general populace. Frankly I’ll take the one that doesn’t help the rich get richer.

This is why I wrote I in Ron Pauls name for pres. He was the only hope for america. He should get a few million write in’s. They are counting them too.

Dubya turned out to be a big government socialist ??

Ya think !!

Well, the Republicans spent a lot of time right at the end of the campaign telling everybody that Obama would bring in socialism. The people heard that message and then went to the polls yesterday and voted him in. So we have decided that we want socialism. It should be interesting.

“Dubya turned out to be a big government socialist.”

I think that was part of CrookCounty’s point. The media has portrayed him as a free-marketeer, when in fact he has been the opposite.

Very 1984-ish.

Crook County:

Your indictment of Obama is really just a litany of crimes committed by your precious Republicans. It’s gonna be tough going for Obama. He has a lot of problems to fix.

“So we have decided that we want socialism.”

Yes, if you were duped into buying into the desperate, last-minute campaign tactics.

Or, alternatively, people recognized the pot calling the kettle - ahem - black and rejected the notion altogether.

While Obama’s victory is symbolic and significant in many ways, the general population still worships “dumb” as livestyle. Don’t forget that many voted for Obama purely because of his race and because of dreams that “he’ll give me free stuff!” To be fair, there are those who voted against him because of his race, too. Stupidity cuts both ways, of course.

Point being that the population is still stupid and still wants “free stuff,” such as housing that costs infinite money (buy now or be priced out forever!) so they can buy their oversized SUV’s and ride around, waving their egos around in each other’s faces. That, to many, is the American Dream. I don’t expect Obama to change this; all I expect is more malaise that drags on for years.

I have a hard time believing the argument that Obama won by capturing the dumb vote. I mean…George Bush…Sarah Palin…the reps have been thriving on ignorance since the 90s

Looking at the map, the democrats won majorities in the bankrupt and need-a-handout states.

You mean the states which hand over their taxes to be distributed to those others? Pretty funny, all in all, that the red states make a great return on their tax, ahem, investment…..receiving more than they paid in?

Redistribution is ever-present. The point is to whom the redistribution is paid. Repubs appear to zealously protect the wealthy, to the point of bailing out their misadventures with tax “money”.

The Dems make a stab at tossing crumbs back to the working stiffs.

Jimmy Carter was right.

But nobody wanted to hear his message.

Wonder where we’d be if we had followed his lead instead of “Mr. Sky-High Deficits” Reagan.

He’s highly intelligent. He was a Professor at the University of Chicago. He’s far smarter than Powell and Rice. But being smart doesn’t mean you won’t make dumb mistakes. LTCM was run by smart guys. Keynes was a smart economist.

But if Obama surrounds himself with a bunch of Keynesian economists, watch out. There are plenty of people out there operating with fundamentally unsound economic theories.

i hope you do not convey those types of attitudes on your job search

i am very happy obama won and the red states can have palin and the rest of the right wing wackos

it is a great day imo

god bless america

That’s a good thing to hope for dj, but I think if we are laying off police officers in NY over the next few years, it will be for lack of funds, not for lack of crime.

Blue:

I am so damn frustrated it seems like all employers want today is a clueless kid.

I had a job interview yesterday with a Real Estate Auction Company, and he was honest he hired a college kid first job because he was naive.

How can I or anyone compete with that kind of Employer mentality.

And today someone contacted me for a commission only job selling cruise tickets on carnival lines, when i stated i will work for $10hr if its close to home.

The Illiteracy and stupidity is just too much to bear sometimes.

I can sympathize, having had a rut of unproductive interviews at one time myself. I can only suggest the obvious, that you reinvent yourself somewhat in the hopes of changing your odds. In my case, college & job titles disappeared from my history, so that I could qualify for a job that didn’t require smarts. Papermaker sounded less threatening than Papermaking Process Engineer, etc. It beat being hungry. Sometimes less is more. Just a thought.

If I lived in the city and needed work, I’d spend one day a week walking into all the shops and resturants and ask if they need a helper. Next week same thing.

Thanks…….it not been a good couple of weeks

Ive tried to dumb it down, but i guess its not enough….maybe i”l take NYCboy’s idea of a few stiff shots and see how dumb i can make myself.

Forgive me aNYCdj, but it seems to me that either there are glaring problems with your resume, skill set, etc., or you’re not taking the job hunt seriously. It shouldn’t take as long as it has for you to find a job, especially given where you live. Either you’re being too picky, or are not spending enough time looking for work. I speak from experience, believe me.

How can you say Obama is smarter than Powell or Rice? What were their grades? Obama wont release his, which makes me suspect they arent that hot and that affirmative action may have played a big role in getting him into and through his schools. No proof he is smarter than either Powell or Rice but I know you wont let the absence of facts get in the way of spewing BS.

I just don’t think anyone you get how dumb this country has become.

I just am not a good fit…99% DON’T READ blogs like this

I used to be able to call companies or just walk in and find somebody smart who can answer questions like do you have any job openings in_________

The perfect is fit is a clueless person who bough a house with zero down……

I can’t hide the fact i’m smart from employers that don’t want it.

“Forgive me aNYCdj, but it seems to me that either there are glaring problems with your resume, skill set, etc., or you’re not taking the job hunt seriously.”

In fairness, DJ and I communicated privately because I was trying to help him (I figure at some point you’ve got to try to help an HBB’er out) get a para gig since I have some lawyer buds in NYC. It’s a really, really, really bad time to be looking for a job.

My lawyer friends have lawyer friends looking for work.

And sorry, DJ, I don’t recall if I ever responded to you, but everyone’s paras are staying put and nobody is expanding. I’ve been busy myself possibly switching up careers.

I can’t hide the fact i’m smart from employers that don’t want it.

*sigh* I have the safety of knowing you’ll probably never read this. We’ll try 1 more time.

The problem is that flippin chip on your shoulder the size of Manhattan. It doesn’t matter if the world is “stupid” for not hiring you.

My guess is that any employer that would hire you has picked up on the “I’m smarter than everyone around me” vibe and doesn’t want to work with it (quite literally).

Sorry Vermont gal

I really don’t think i have a chip on my shoulder, Maybe its just the opposite.

I went into the interview with the RE auction company excited the market was collapsing and the tsunami was going to hit NYC and there would be tons of foreclosures just looking for an auction company to get rid of the properties, easily a few really good years of work.

And that the Long Island City condozes would be bankrupt next year. I asked did you even see them? Nope but I did…they looked like hotel rooms for $500K and UP

I said you cant even fit a turkey platter in the sink, and they had no back splashes How could you cook a turkey dinner for family or friends with a sink that tiny. The bathroom sink was bigger then the kitchen sink!

I guess he was taken aback by what i saw and knew. and told me he hired a college kid becuase he was naive.

I was amazed at the long lines at universities for student voters.
That alone made me choke up with excitement. Finally, we are going to see activism, participation amongst the younger generation.
It is an exciting future.

Colbert & Stewart leak out more real news than the real news does.

Their show was hilarious last night.

Ken,

Let’s not forget we were once the youth of America.

Sure, Ken, young people are stupid and you are smart. Whatever. Don’t make me pull out my IQ again.

Finally, we are going to see activism, participation amongst the younger generation.
It is an exciting future.

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DD,

How very true!!!

I haven’t been this excited and happy about our govt in a long, long time.

Let’s just hope we can temper our expectations, as President ( ) Obama has a lot of damage to clean up first. Unfortunately, the past eight years have tied his hands as he will not have the same resources to deal with the current problems.

Never thought I’d say it, as I’m not an apologist for any particular race, but it sure is a fantastic thing to see a young black man become President of the United States of America. We can all be very proud!

“Sure, Ken, young people are stupid and you are smart. Whatever. Don’t make me pull out my IQ again.”

Feel free to pull out your IQ. Feel free to pull out your bank statement, last years W2 and your most recent check stub. I’m sure you believe if those #’s are higher than mine that makes you better than me. And that’s exactly what I meant about having lived life.

I don’t play any song with the N word in it…so that leaves out a lot of today’s music and Jobs…..

why do i have a conscience?

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Why did we decide it was hip to be “gangsta”?

Damn! Why didn’t I think of that?

Write-in: RABID HAMSTER

If you want to live in a one-party state, may I suggest China or Cuba? Personally I would like to see more parties and more colors on electoral maps, not fewer.

amen scdave. The neocon’s have wreaked so much hate, lies and havoc on our nation and our psyche, that it looks like there is still much work to do to undo this debacle the chickenhawks and thieves have done.

scdave,

The influence the neos still have in red states is derived from the belief of poor white trash that one night while they are asleep, they will be trickled on by the republican wealth fairy and wake up as a rich person. This event should happen anytime now (but hopefully before the rapture, so they can buy some good stuff first). Meanwhile, the neos must be supported, because the neos will not tax them when they become rich.

Perhaps one day soon, while waiting in-line for food at a local charity because the neo corporatists eliminated their jobs, they will be hit in the head with a can of beans. Then they may have an epiphany and come to understand that the neos only pi$$ on those beneath them.

Until then, expect to continue to see red states.

Delusion. For starters, Obama voted yes to the Patriot Act.

Was the DotCom bubble “economic terror”? Get a grip.

Get a load of all the “right wing neos” here:

http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html

Note the dates, note the votes, note the “fear mongering.”

Partisan blinders are such an ugly thing.

Boy, this probably won’t go over well but my belief is that for the true red states (with votes at least 60/40), this was a racial vote.

I don’t think they are pleased by the last 8 years, but it would take a strong white male to get them to vote Dem, IMO.

Voting BO was too big a step for them. Baby steps, man, baby steps.

“You will proven wrong by his appointments.
Volker…”

Are you talking about Volcker? He’s 81 years old!

Ther is already talk of Arne Duncan being Secretary of Education. For those who are not Chicagoans he is the CEO of the continually failing Chicago Public School system. If that appointment happens I have two words of advice for everyone with kids on this board, home school.

LOL - someone at work mention Volcker replacing Bernake. I had to point out to them that he was even older than McCain.

I doubt Obama will pull any sitting senators out and reduce the majority, especially since they will be kicking Lieberman over to the other side.

Claire Mccaskill (sp?) is owed big time for all of her talking head appearances,let’s see what she gets….

What he will deliver is a dose of Democratic machine politics

You will proven wrong by his appointments.
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Dis-appointment #1:

Rahm Emanuel doesn’t have a partisan bone in his body?
Isn’t a Chicago machinist?

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I’m just hoping we won’t be governed by the “I’m so right my supporters deserve to vote 3 times” crowd.

Inefficient and incompetent? Yes

People being gunned down at an alarming rate even in the least gun friendly city in America. CPS is a train wreck. Budget crucnhs in a city that should have it’s coffers swelled from the RE boom and some of the most oppresive taxes in the nation.

Don’t worry - taking guns away from law-abiding citizens is the best way to prevent criminals with guns from hurting you. Expect to see this and more from our near Dear Leader…

Ken–the gangs are horrific here, you’re right, and he certainly hasn’t fixed that.

Which city isn’t in a budget crunch (or soon will be)?

But, again, no comparison to the mid 80s.

People also tend not to remember that Harry Truman also came out of one ofthe most corrupt political machines…

And People tend not to remember that Truman left office with approval rates in the 20’s.

Yes.

He was even spanked by the Daley Machine for not waiting for his appointed time and place to run (he didn’t step aside when asked in his run for state rep). He also managed to get on the bad foot with the local African American power structure when he dared to take on Bobby Rush for congress.

Anyone who thinks O. is subservient to the Chicago Machine or the Afro-American Southside Faction clearly doesn’t understand our (admittedly corrupt and byzantine) local political process.

Money isn’t everything.

… said the main whose posts are almost solely about gold.

Let me generalize it some then, since the same concepts can be expanded IMO (though I’m sure you don’t agree)…

freedom

vs.

non-freedom

P.S. Here’s an interesting quote from him from recent campaigning:

“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.”

Sound familiar? There’s a video on YouTube if you don’t believe me.

Here’s a link (may take a while to show up):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

I’m game, what’s the opposition views on Van Buren’s legacy?

FDR?

Didn’t he hang the weight of Social Security, the FHA and Fannie Mae around our neck? Add to that the most massive civil liberties violations in our country’s history (internment camps). Let’s not celebrate FDR.

He was responsible for the Trail of Tears. I guess that makes him a Socialist.

“He was responsible for the Trail of Tears. I guess that makes him a Socialist.”

I was speaking of economic policy, not social. Jackson and Van Buren were very much non-socialist in economic policy.

And while Van Buren was certainly culpable for the Trail of Tears, Jackson was the main driver (and signer) of the Indian Removal Act. Certainly a stained portion of both their legacies nonetheless.

“I’m game, what’s the opposition views on Van Buren’s legacy?”

I posted about an hour ago in response to that - hopefully it’ll show up at some point. It was a longer post with a couple of links.

Let me re-phrase that.

Van Buren took possessions and property away from one group of people and redistributed it to a more deserving group of people.

Gotcha - I missed your tongue-in-cheekiness.

To Steve W - for whatever reason my other response about Van Buren never showed up. For what I’m referring too - look up “Van Buren” in mises.org for Austrian view, and look up “Panic of 1837″ in Wikipedia for mainstream view.

Actually, if you kill them off, then you have no one to sell your products too.

The key would be to destroy their manufacturing facilities, not the people. A sorta negative neutron bomb would come in handy.

No kidding. Is this guy for real?

I would like to reiterate what Oly wrote.

I too would like to rettardiate that!
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…to dramatically increase funding for public schools so that the rants of the petulant and the bitter can thereby display correct spelling, punctuation, capitalization of proper nouns and assorted other English usage devices…

Add that paragraph to the ’swear in speach’, wouldja?

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Olympia, you rock!

haha, great comment Olympiagal. Can someone explain the Jimmy Carter/Walt Disney reference to me? I wasn’t aware that Walt was an extreme example of anything.

MORE money for public schools? Please explain what that will solve.

The best solution: CLOSE the public schools, make education optional, and let each parent make the choice about how his or her kid(s) should be educated.

It won’t be any worse than it is now.

“MORE money for public schools? Please explain what that will solve.

The best solution: CLOSE the public schools, make education optional, and let each parent make the choice about how his or her kid(s) should be educated.

It won’t be any worse than it is now.”

This is quite possibly the dumbest statement I’ve ever read, EVER. I hope you’re kidding.

Ban the internet. How many mailmen are out of a job because people post stuff on the internet? How many conferences are gone, costing cities convention revenue?

You can’t learn anything on the internet. If it doesn’t transpire in a brick and mortar building by a certified union instructor, it isn’t educational, informative, or even funny for that matter.

Without the internet, sites like HBB wouldn’t be causing economic terrorism by frightening the masses, leading to panic and housing price collapses. You should change the HBB into newspaper or magazine format only, and require submissions only be sent in by certified journalism school graduates. Maybe 5-10 uncertified reader comments per issue, but no more than that!

If education is a right, then we should get rid of all copyrights, and make all textbooks and all educational material available on line for free. But hearing words that cost $12,000 (more than State School college tuitions) per student per year in a brick and mortar building is more effective than hearing those same exact words posted as free and equal to all videos to internet school sites by only the very best 1% of teachers. More effective at robbing you!

And if there weren’t taxes for schools, then what would be the point of even living in a house? The government would have to ban houses, or at least only allow igloos with no windows, all the same size and shape, so that people won’t get offended by bigger igloos, and those without means won’t have self esteem issues from living in smaller igloos. And that, ladies and gentlemen is the truth path of hop to ending the housing bubble. No more houses, no more bubble!

Ban houses? Require uniform igloos? This has already been tried.

http://www.galenfrysinger.com/Photos/georgia36.jpg

Do you have any idea how many doctors would be unemployed if that happened?

People only consider government programs to be “socialist” if they benefit someone other than themselves or their family. Thus nobody considers Medicare to be “socialist”.

I do. And I’m a “recipient.” It should have been means-based.

Ultimately it will, along with social security payments. Govt can’t continue the generational wealth transfer when the younger generation becomes smaller than the older generation.

I do as well. Medicare is most definitely a socialist construct.

The notion that you know of no one who considers Medicare as socialist shows how intellectually biased you are. Typical of lefist elitists.

“We should at the very least give him every bit the support we gave *shrub, where’s your sense of fair play?”

By support do you mean the 17 different recounts demanded in Florida and the whining and crying that the election was stolen from day one?

Ken,

LOL! Yes I mean ‘exactly’ that! Starting with the slime job on Katherine Harris. ( Sarah Palin wasn’t the first Rep. gal to be parodied by SNL )

Yet I don’t want people to get me entirely wrong here? I don’t have anything against B.O personally and I would have felt this way had it been virtually any of the candidates. Hell I was a Rudy guy.

I just think after ( yes ) EIGHT YEARS of every thing from snide remarks to outright refusal to cooperate in the slightest, don’tcha’ think it’s a ‘little’ unrealistic to expect any of us to blindly lend support? You know, to “pitch in and git r’ done”? Don’t make me laugh.

Hey, remember Whitewater, travelgate, The Contract on America (iirc), the bloviating rise of Newt and Rush? The bumper stickers about “Your President,” the legalistic goofiness of the Monica persecution? Believe it or not, millions considered those scorched-earth GOP glory days a withholding of support!
rrrrr

Wait a minute? On one hand you speak of a ‘witholding of support’ and on the other go out of your way to re-hash the old twisted phrase “Contract -ON- America” ( which again the left coined before the ink was dry )

Besides, I’ve already copped to that and it is small, small potatoes compared to the last eight years. Clinton had a relative safety margin, as a LOT of guys have had affairs, not to mention sympathy points that generated for HC. To be swiftly followed by “Clinton Lied ( nobody died )”

Further, this was a time of war ( which quickly got lost in the mad shuffle ) Not necessarily apples and oranges but definitely of degree. Bush haters, to this day, have never tired of it, it’s always fresh to them.

And thus you are sucked into the never ending cycle of choosing between a lesser of the same two evils, exactly as the Federal Reserve Bankster powers that be designed.

Nothing changes. Government gets bigger. Controls more of peoples’ everyday actions. Makes more of them dependent. Smothers the free market goose that laid the golden wealth egg.

And people talk about solving problems with Universal Health Care. Government can’t even get Social Security and Medicare costs and quality under control. Such ponzi schemes would land corporations in prison.

Just look at all those doctors being pumped out of medical school factories to save us! Whoops. That’s law school. Well at least they can sue the remaining doctors and hospitals when the baby boomers die under the knife. Sacrificial kids is the way to wealth!

Very soon we will get what we voted for. Odds are, if we’re in rent now,we’ll still be in rent 4 years from now. Socialists have a unique way of attaining election victories with promises of taxing the undeserving and largess to the struggling masses. Im still looking for the country where that has been a successful formula.

Barbara Boxer is the one that really sticks in my craw.

They need to put child-locks on everything she can get ahold of, lest she hurt herself.

Boy, Obama’s not even in office yet and here you are getting all worked up already!

Remember - it’s all Obama’s fault!

By the way, Obama is a moron. 57 states of America? What a dolt.

Retardicans are whining already. They give new meaning to the word LOSERS.

Amen, Lost. I voted for Nader, myself. He knows the score where O’Bama is concerned.

Boy, was that crude rally short lived. While price jumped $6 yesterday, they’re down nearly $5 today. Of course, what sort of fundamental changes could have occurred in less than 48 hours time? The speculation continues…

That’s really strange. My crude oil comment was not supposed to nest anywhere, but rather stand on it’s own. Hmmm.

I stand by what I posted. I haven’t encountered any “Peggy Joseph” types. If she is stupid enough to believe the government is going to pay her bills, she is in need of a psychiatrist. While her choice of words was poor, it sounds like she’s just hopeful that the economy as a whole takes a turn for the better under the President elect.

It’s different this time, eh?

lol

I’m glad for the social and possibly international aspects. That’s about it, everything else stays the same more or less.

But maybe that’s enough. I guess it has to be.

Hopefully the come stain that you left will come out in the wash…

dave,

What is a physical conservative?

Ron Paul….

“You should learn to be magnanimous in victory, aladinsane.”

You mean instead of needling anyone with an opposite point of view?

Never turn the other cheek when dealing with turncoats…

You don’t have to turn the other cheek, lademp, just maybe back off the needling a bit. Yeah, you’re smart and have a way with words, we get it. Just stick the knife in, don’t twist it.

James Carvelle said it best in 1992 - “Its the economy stupid”.

Plus, does anyone know what color the terror alert level is at today? Thought so. I bet you haven’t even check in the past month.

Skip,

But from March 2003 through the end of the surge, it wasn’t “the economy stupid”. People were rolling around naked in big fat stacks of Bubble Bucks and… ( I’m really reluctant to say this, ) but… only ‘pretending’ to give a rip about some 19 y.o from KS that got hit by an IED.

…. it’s also been my experience that when the economy is rock n’ roll, people have the luxury of taking on all kinds of hobbies and causes. To be honest I hate the Wealth Effect almost as much as I do “Suddenly FB’s” playing the victim. Given this campaign was slightly longer than the gestation period of an elephant, “the economy” only became an issue down it’s ( relative ) home stretch.

I actually knew a guy who DID roll around in his money naked. He bragged about how he would spread it on his bed, and then roll in it, naked, (evidently in ecstasy: I didn’t ask for details). I dumped him pretty fast from my list of acquaintances.

He also buried money in his back yard. I wonder how that works in Florida with a water table almost at ground level.

Your meeting with reality is today. Enjoy.;)

I suspect you lost a lot of sleep last night knowing that an uber-liberal will be your leader soon.

I am grateful that there was a clear winner. I did not want to see a repeat of 2000, or even 2004. Whether you like this president or not, at least nobody can speak of a stolen election. Well, I’m sure somebody can but nobody will listen.

But it’s imperative for all to see just how childish this has been. I realize it sounds empty ( w/ McCain as far behind as he was in the polls ) but I’ve been determined to make the statement that we can’t run the country w/ 50% of the people behind the President.

I didn’t care if it was HC or WHOever. You ‘can’ make the case this attitude of non-support started under her husband but there’s no arguing it reached unprecedented levels under Bush. What comes around..?

Nah, Bill is busy protecting his wallet.

Including white based groups?

Boy Scouts?

Um…yeah.

wtf?

…well at least affirmative action. No more race based preference, or are we still going to keep the most qualified from rising to the top?

I’m all for that. Never liked it anyway.

I don’t think “we” need to do anything in concert, except stop acting in concert. Leave people alone, unless they won’t leave people alone.

Even, for the sake of argument, if you consider affirmative action and such to be productive, at some point it must turn into something that becomes counter productive. We may be at the precipice of that event.

maybe you missed the black panthers rejecting whitey in phily
AA is going to be a big hammer for socialism

Yeah right. From the Washington Post, 10/22:

“only a quarter of the $600 million he has raised has come from donors who made contributions of $200 or less, according to a review of his FEC reports. That is actually slightly less, as a percentage, than President Bush raised in small donations during his 2004 race”

Link please?

I’ve been wanting more information on where his millions came from, so we can see whether his actions favor those segments/businesses. In other words, I’m waiting to see if he is going to be any different from the bought-and-paid-for politicians that I despise.

Obama is the first truly democratically-elected president in our nation’s history

Truly Democratic? I don’t think such a thing is possible. You might want to head over to opensecrets.org and check out the lengthy list of special interests that funded his campaign.

Link:

bloomberg.com

“…The Illinois senator harvested more campaign cash than anyone before him, using both the Internet and traditional high-roller dinners to bring in more than $650 million from some 3 million donors for his presidential campaign.

And if you’d bothered to actually read the opensecrets.org content I posted earlier:

http://www.opensecrets.org

“…Top donors to this candidate in the 2008 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organization’s PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals’ immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates….

I’ve tried to post this all day to no avail. I’m not ignoring you guys.

One more time….

links

from opensecrets dot org-

“…Top donors to this candidate in the 2008 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organization’s PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals’ immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates…..”

From today’s Bloomberg dot com;
“…The Illinois senator harvested more campaign cash than anyone before him, using both the Internet and traditional high-roller dinners to bring in more than $650 million from some 3 million donors for his presidential campaign….”

And the welfare, “free-stuff” states voted for Obama, and now we’re all going to have to deal with it.

I like your anger!

Helps when your campaign contribution is on the internet and you turn of foreign issued bank checks (even though it costs you a little more).

Helps when you post facts you pulled out of your A##

Bantering Bear,

I can answer you question with east. I’m looking at the storm cloud on the horizon. It has increasing foreclosures, rising bankruptices, decreasing industrial production around the world, frozen credit, consumers on the edge of the abyss and general economic troubles around the world.

I see Obama saying that he’s going to raise taxes, remove the incentive to work and earn what you keep, create entirely new areas of welfare and entitlements for children, low-income workers, minorities, college students, etc. And he expects the rich ($250,000, or maybe it’s $200,000, and didn’t Bill Richardson say it’s actually more like $150,000?) to pay for it all.

Now as the economy goes into the crapper, you can kiss many of those higher earning jobs good-bye. So the threshhold goes lower and lower. and then more and more people get taxed, again reducing the incentive to invest and work.

And that’s how things get worse.

Put another way, how is giving the 47,000,000 million people who don’t pay federal income tax MORE free welfare entitlement money (i.e. obama’s tax credits) going to create more jobs?

Obama needs people like me to open a new law firm, hustle my ass to get more business, hire secretaries and law clerks and associates. And under Obama he has made it abundently clear that my reward will be HIGHER TAXES. So, instead of taking that risk, maybe I’ll just stay with my current job for a little while longer, it’s too risky and too taxy to go out and start a small business on my own.

At what point will we be able to drop the neo-con label? I mean when will that be safe? When “we’re” out of power? LOL!

On one hand the Dems want us to “put this all behind us ” yet on the other we’re still being vilified w/ those kinds of sterotypes. Whatever.

B.O got so much money from Silicon Valley it wasn’t funny. And again, why is everyone refusing to even bring up the Soros’ and Sandlers names today? ( Guess they weren’t a factor huh? )

Or in my case, 7 track punch tape. Cards were a big improvement!

So do you think Medvedev has a point if we put in the missle “defense” network in Poland? Would that be a reason for confrontation? Just asking.

I think we need to quit thinking that we are the world’s policeman. Why do we think we should be allowed to do what we would never in a million years accept another country doing in our backyard? This missile defense system is provocative to say the least.

We prolonged the Cold War by years so that the War Machine could make huge profits. The idea that Reagan’s defense spending was a good way to end the Cold War is complete bullsh-t. Every adventure we take on foreign soil always comes back to haunt us. We just had the 25th anniversary of the barracks bombings to help illustrate that point. Look at the roots of 9/11 and trace that disaster all the way back. Or should big oil be our number one national priority? We need to focus on national defense and quit thinking we are Big Brother.

Interesting points. In some ways you could look at the defense spending in the 80’s as a kind of a bubble as well. Some serious financial repercussions in certain areas when that industry went into the crapper.

National defense. That’s a tough one. Some argue the best defense is to be proactive. We started with the Monroe doctrine which has led to the Carter doctrine, the Bush doctrine and in turn has inspired the opposing Putin directive. I don’t believe there is a means test in terms of military confrontation. The only one that I have heard that comes close is “might makes right”.

As long as we have the military we created post WW2, it will be used. Our new president will not change that fact.

santacruzsux,

Right, talk about “failed policies” you really should check out http://www.thepeoplescube.com for an hysterical rendition. The cartoon graphic shows an America so retrenched the only thing we can do is unfurl the concertina wire and plant land mines.

Won’t work. That’s not to say you should go ‘looking’ for trouble!

A friends dad from High School told me that his job before the invasion was to be lowered by a rope over the side of the Navy ship with a bucket of paint and brush to cover up the ship designation.

A friend of mine’s dad from High School had a job in the Green Paint Division of the Navy. They were a special outfit designed to hunt down sub packs. Upon contact with enemy submarines, they’d cover the water with green paint, so the lens of the periscope would be green when it was raised. The sub operators would wrongly think they were still under water and keep raising. The boys in the Green Paint Division would wait until the submarines were high enough in the air so they could be shot down with anti-aircraft guns.

. I think it’s really the only place left to find money.

How about making rich people pay the same % of their income in taxes as the average person?

Oh sorry, that’s too left wing. Under Eisenhower the top marginal tax rate was over 90%.

Yogurt, to the extent rich people pay a lower income tax rate is largely with capital gains. What ann is proposing would eliminate some of the cap gains favoritism (or if you extend to all assets, then all cap gains tax rate caps could be removed), yet you are still objecting to it?

How about a flat tax on all income, regardless of source or special circumstances, etc? That seems fair.

“Under Eisenhower the top marginal tax rate was over 90%.”

There used to be a thing called “deductions” too.

I thought Khan Noonien Singh was just a Star Trek character.

Boy, was I surprised when I found out he was on this blog.

“For hate’s sake, I spit my last breath at thee…..”

It is funny how many white guys that got jobs because of the connections of their fathers, uncles, brothers, neighbors, etc. complain endlessly about affirmative action. Stop all connection based employment and social advances and the world will be a much better place. Or did George Bush really get where he’s at solely on merit?

NYCityBoy,

There’s your case in point. People l-o-v-e to trot out these glaring and obvious examples but gloss over the fact that most us white guys ( don’t know the “secret hand shake”? )

The truth is… most of us won’t make it. For every guy that got a break from the old man, I’ll show you 10,000 Walmart Greeters. You still don’t get it. It’s the “promise” of making it, of being promoted that drove so many of us to work as hard as we did. ‘That’s’ really how “the man” works.

Nearly the entire sales force of the West Coast is awash in “first in the family to go to college” white kids trying to “make it” in the sales game. It’s a freaking graveyard.

“The truth is… most of us won’t make it. For every guy that got a break from the old man, I’ll show you 10,000 Walmart Greeters.”

Complete bullsh-t.

Lovely.

We’ll all victims for forever, except of course, for the white guys. White guys are to be hated indefinitely for being in charge for the last several generations. Me, a white chick, is to be hated for not taking on a power career and leaving behind my children for 12 hours a day.

As I run a very small business, I’d like to think, despite the lack of male parts, I made it all by myself, thank you very much. Affirmative action bites the big one. Level the legal playing field, spend money on education, but don’t legislate morality. I wanna win because of talent, not because of race or body parts.

And the best part about this whole rant is that we can get some more of the sensitive white guy types to agree that hating their 1/2 of the genders and alienating a good chunk of the other half for a choice they make with their lives is a worthwhile way to spend time.

“Complete bullsh-t.”

Not in my circles, friend.

by = buy

Apparently Lincoln was a Democrat

From the 60s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Touche.

fixed news rah rah fixed news rah rah!!

Fixed News… We distort, you comply.

52 million or so people who voted AGAINST Obama ??

LEagle…Just a honest question for you…No sarcasm here…Do you think the republican party (as we know it today) would ever select a minority for the top spot ?? Lets say, the Governor of Louisiana ?? I have reservations given what I know of some people in the South….

Your right exeter.
Fear of this world and the next.
Old, old tricks.