November 18, 2008

It Was Great When The Market Was Great

The Sun Times reports from Illinois. “Home sales in Chicago fell 23 percent and the median price fell 4.5 percent in the third quarter from a year earlier, the Illinois Association of Realtors said Monday. Statewide, sales dropped 21.2 percent and prices fell 8.2 percent. ‘Clearly the housing market is still unsettled,’ said David Hanna, president of the Chicago Association of Realtors in a statement, adding the industry is looking to the new administration for direction in how to resolve ‘the overriding economic issues we face.’”

The Northwest Herald from Illinois. “In May 2004, Cary Bruce, a McHenry native, and his wife bought a small house in Round Lake Beach where they live with four children. They bought the house before Bruce lost his job as a union sheet metal worker. ‘We don’t answer the phone because we get 15 to 20 calls a day, and it’s all bill collectors,’ said Bruce, who notes that there isn’t a lot of work in sheet metal these days because of the housing slump. ‘We’re not quite in foreclosure yet, but we’re very, very, very close.’”

“McHenry County had 1,881 foreclosure case filings in the first 10 months of 2008, 332 more than in all of 2007. That rise comes after 2007 saw 1,549 foreclosures, a rise of 451 over 2006, according to statistics compiled by the McHenry County Circuit Clerk’s Office. McHenry County had 112,384 housing units, according to the 2006 census.”

“Not every foreclosure case filing results in foreclosure. But 90 percent to 95 percent of cases filed usually do, said McHenry County Judge Michael Caldwell, who handled foreclosure cases two days a week until September. In the vast majority of foreclosure cases, the property owners never appear in court to defend themselves, Sullivan said.”

“In March through August McHenry County had 1,065 foreclosure filings. Maybe 5 percent to 10 percent of the filings won’t end in a foreclosed home, Caldwell said. ‘Potentially what that means is 1,000 empty houses are going to hit the real estate market sometime in the next year,’ Caldwell said.”

“Bruce finds some comfort in knowing that he’s not alone. He hopes more banks are forced to renegotiate mortgages, still providing lenders a profit, if a little less than originally anticipated. ‘I’m not happy about it, but it does make me feel better that there’s many millions, millions, millions of people who are in this situation, and we can be heard,’ Bruce said.”

“Bill Carlander said he had to lay himself off work. ‘We’ve all seen this to some degree, but never like this,’ said Carlander, who has run Wauconda-based Carlander Drywall Contractors Inc. for almost 30 years.”

“According to the Illinois Department of Employment Security, construction lost 3,300 workers statewide in the month of September, the second largest loss since February 2007. This year, the section has shed 10,000 workers, the worst among all the industry sectors.”

“The housing slump hasn’t come as a complete shock for Carlander, who said his workload had taken dramatic cuts in the past few years. In 2006, his company worked on about 650 homes. In 2007, it was down to 350. ‘This year, we’ve done 15,’ Carlander said. ‘We only have one on the books to the end of the year.’”

“During the boom times, Jan Leider liked to take five vacations a year. Now, the president of Northwest Mortgage Services takes one. She is selling about half the number of mortgages that she did during the first half of the decade.”

“‘This is the worst I’ve ever seen it,’ said Leider, who has been in the mortgage business for 42 years. ‘Fewer people are applying for loans. They are worried about the economy; they don’t want bigger payments. People are staying put.’”

“Statewide, the number of Realtors is down about 18 percent since its peak. In 2006, the Illinois Association of Realtors had 63,683 members. The association now has 52,072 members, spokeswoman Mary Schaefer said. The housing market correction has created a ’survival of the fittest’ atmosphere within the industry, Coldwell Banker real estate agent Cathy Burley said.”

“The price of the homes that Re/Max Plaza real estate broker Elise Livingston is selling have dropped. Agents no longer can afford to take on obstinate clients or advertise homes that they feel are overpriced. ‘When I meet with a seller, I sit across from them and tell them the truth, which isn’t always easy,’ Livingston said.”

“Livingston said she even has turned away some sellers who couldn’t be realistic about setting a list price. Agents also have had to learn more about foreclosures, short-sales and housing auctions – things they rarely had to worry about in the past.”

“Gone are the days of easy money, stated-income loans, and other exotic lending packages, said Leider. ‘I’ve had to turn away more customers because they can’t afford what they want to buy,’ Leider said.”

“Other customers are being turned down by banks and other lending institutions. They simply fail to qualify for loans, either to buy, sell or refinance, Leider said.”

“Regardless of the gloomy reports, volatile stock market and uncertain future, all of the real estate agents, lenders and brokers contacted for this story agreed on one thing: Now is the time to buy. ‘What are you waiting for? It’s a great time to be a homeowner,’ Livingston said.”

The Naperville Sun from Illinois. “To rent or buy - that is the question. There was a time when the noble thing to do was save your money and buy a piece of the American Dream. Naperville-based real estate agents say there might not be a better time to buy than now. And, they add, if your individual profile is right, buying trumps renting every time.”

“‘First and foremost, Naperville is not the rest of the country,’ said Jim Freier, a broker with Re/Max Action. ‘We have a unique market here and property in DuPage County is selling.’”

“Al Scheiderer, a real estate agent working in Naperville says paying rent means giving away all that money as real cash. ‘If your rent is $2,000, that’s real money that you have to give away,’ he said. ‘There are some fantastic prices out there right now, and if people shop carefully without emotion, they can really get a bargain. Regardless of how the economy has been, it’s still always better to buy, as long as you aren’t looking to turn things over and make a quick re-sale.’”

“Jeff Stainer, a Naperville agent, said history has shown that both the stock market and home values are going to rebound and, if folks don’t buy now, ‘they’re destined to miss out on the bottom of the market.’”

“Courtney Tarpein, 30, recently decided she and her husband were ready to leave their renting days behind. The couple just purchased a home in Brookfield where they had been renting a house. Tarpein is expecting a baby before the end of the year and said the time was right to own instead of continuing to rent. ‘Our lease was up in November, and I’d been putting money away in CDs for savings but not particularly for a house,’ Tarpein said. ‘The problem, as I see it, is there are so many upside down mortgages right now.’”

Medill Reports from Illinois. “When Anthony Smith moved into his four-bedroom house more than six years ago, he noticed that the previous owners’ property taxes seemed high. ‘The previous owners were getting screwed,’ Smith said. ‘When I moved in, I decided I wasn’t going to take it,’ he added. ”

“So the following year, Smith, an unemployed computer programmer, appealed his property taxes. When Smith appealed in 2003, the housing market was stable. Now falling home prices have made appeals all the more desirable, with Mayor Daley calling on homeowners to challenge their property taxes.”

“‘Based on the dire economic situation nationally and locally, we’re willing to consider any evidence’ that might demonstrate lower home values and thus reduce property tax bills, said Scott Guetzow, a spokesman for the Cook County Board of Review.”

The Journal Sentinel from Wisconsin. “The recession and credit crunch, which have killed plans for new condominiums, hotels and other projects, are forcing some Milwaukee-area architectural firms to cut jobs. Kahler Slater, with offices in Milwaukee, Madison, Green Bay and Burlington, N.C., has 145 positions after its recent cuts, said George Meyer, co-executive officer. Kahler Slater was hurt when some of its institutional clients postponed projects, Meyer said.”

“Even large institutional clients are having trouble finding investors willing to buy bonds to generate financing for their projects, Meyer said. Those institutions also have seen the income from their investment portfolios plummet thanks to Wall Street’s meltdown, he said.”

“Eppstein Uhen, which has offices in Milwaukee and Madison, reduced its staff largely because of the decline in the condo market, Uhen said. ‘That work has fallen off the cliff,’ he said.”

The Kalamazoo Gazette from Michigan. “Greg Dedes, a 37-year-old construction manager who lives near Portage Lake in Mendon Township…was annoyed in October when he was notified that his home equity line of credit at Chase Bank had been eliminated. But, he said, he was infuriated when he learned the consumer banking operation of JP Morgan Chase & Co., which was set to receive $25 billion from the U.S. Treasury, had not reduced the lines of credit on his high-interest rate credit cards.”

“‘Our home equity line of credit issued at a rate of 6.5 percent to 7.5 percent interest was canceled while they maintained over $30,000 in available limits on credit cards with interest rates pushing 18 percent to 20 percent,’ Dedes wrote to the Gazette in October. ‘JP Morgan Chase should either reinstate the lower rate products or return the $25 billion that they were issued.’”

“Dedes said that when he built his $210,000 home in St. Joseph County in 2005, he opened a line of credit to take advantage of a mortgage-rate incentive and to create a ’safety net.’ ‘Like most people, you get that home equity line and set it up as a safety net, just in case,’ he said. ‘Fortunately, I haven’t lost my job.’”

“Dedes said it wasn’t right that Chase and others would take billions in taxpayer money and at the same time cancel credit. ‘They say they’re pulling back lines of credit in the best interest of customers,’ he said. ‘It just seems that’s not necessarily in my best interest.’”

“Mary Kay Bean, a spokeswoman for Chase Bank in Michigan said Dedes’ complaint reflects a difference between credit-card and home-equity credit lines. Credit cards, she said carry high interest rates because they’re not backed by assets. Home equity loans require equity, or the home’s market value minus what’s owed on it.”

“As home values have fallen dramatically over the past two years, a lot of equity has disappeared, Bean said. ‘You don’t want people to end up in the position of owing more than what the house is worth,’ she said.”

“The average home price in St. Joseph County has declined 15 percent to 20 percent in the past year, said Rick Mahler, president of the St. Joseph County Association of Realtors. ‘That’s due to the number of foreclosures that are out there that have pulled the whole thing down,’ Mahler said.”

“‘When a home value goes down precipitously, we are permitted to reduce the line (of credit) or cancel the line,’ said Terry Francisco, a spokesman for Bank of America. He said the Bank of America is reviewing loans in areas where there have been rapid declines in home prices, such as Michigan, California, Arizona and Nevada.”

“”In addition to Chase, at least three other large bank holding companies contacted by the Gazette are reviewing home prices and their portfolios of home-equity loans and reducing or canceling lines of credit as necessary, bank officials said. Those are Fifth Third Bancorp, Bank of America Corp. and National City Corp.”

The Columbus Dispatch from Ohio. “The Treasury Department recently…denied National City Corp’s request to be included in the $700 billion rescue plan. Instead, PNC Financial Services Group of Pittsburg received $7.7 billion in federal funds and marching orders to use it to buy struggling National City, which it did for $5.58 billion, or $2.23 a share.”

“In the end, National City was a textbook example of how the subprime-mortgage mess and the accompanying drop in home values brought down seemingly indestructible companies and led the country into recession. National City shareholders lost billions as the company’s stock plummeted from $38 in early 2007 to less than $2 at one point, and many Ohio residents saw their investment and retirement accounts drop dramatically.”

“Howard Klein was one of the stockholders who watched his National City investment become virtually worthless. ‘I got hit pretty good, but I have some friends with even bigger stakes. They’ve really been hurt by this,’ said the northern Ohio resident.”

“The lesson, said Andrew Karolyi, a professor at Ohio State University, is that financial institutions are intrinsically linked to one another and the overall economy. A serious break in the chain — in this case, the decline in housing prices — can lead to ‘a systemwide failure to the real economy, to unemployment, to the gross national product.’”

“The chapter on National City will describe a bank that jumped into the lucrative subprime market with both feet, scooping up companies that originated those risky loans and also offering such loans on its own to its core market in the Midwest and then to customers all over the country. ‘They were one of the most aggressive subprime lenders,’ said Matt McCormick, an analyst with Cincinnati investment adviser Bahl & Gaynor. ‘It was great when the market was great, but they paid the price when it wasn’t.’”

“‘They became one of the most aggressive lenders,’ McCormick said of National City. ‘They dominated the Midwest and then went into other markets.’”

“By 2003, National City was making a profit of $2.6 million a day from its mortgage business. ‘But as they grew, they became more and more dependent on low interest rates and the continued housing boom,’ McCormick said.”

“Julien McCall, chairman of National City from 1979 to 1986, said he saw it all coming and tried to warn National City executives and board members, but to no avail. ‘It’s sad for the people involved,’ he said, ‘especially the stockholders, who absolutely got clobbered.’”

“McCall noticed a change in culture at National City and other financial institutions, to one in which risk became more acceptable in the chase for the ever-increasing profits that stockholders craved. ‘The credit culture changed,’ he said. ‘The worst thing you can do in community banking is make a bad loan.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2008-11-18 09:07:50

‘The initial decision to get into (subprime mortgages) was not a bad one,” said Gary Glaser, who retired in 2001 as National City’s president and chief executive of the central Ohio region. “But getting into it as heavily as they did and staying too long was probably the wrong decision, and then the market went south, and some got caught a little more than others.”

‘National City wasn’t caught; it was trapped. By the end of 2005, the company’s profits started to decline. The following year, it sold First Franklin to Merrill Lynch & Co. for $1.3 billion but retained about $10 billion in problem loans.’

Longtime readers will remember I followed the First Franklin story closely. Merrill bought it and almost immediately lost big bucks on the deal. At the time, NC seemed like they had sold ML the bag, but it took everybody down. Wow.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-11-18 09:14:41

Whenever there was money to be lost, Merrill was there.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-11-18 09:27:47

LOL. Ain’t that the truth!

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-11-18 12:55:25

This Thursday evening, I’m going to a free dinner/seminar sponsored by none other than Merrill Lynch. Not that I plan to invest any money with them, I’m just interested in the free meal. And the information, which I’ll double-check through other sources. Like this blog.

Comment by In Montna
2008-11-18 13:09:42

I laugh at those full service brokerages. They churn my friend’s acct like mad. Only, I don’t know what I’m going to do when I’m too old to manage it myself. My dad got lucky and rolled everything into Fidelity Contra back before the tech boom, couldn’t handle it anymore and it sat there making 28% for a few years. No worries!

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Comment by implosion
2008-11-18 23:55:40

Az Slim, I keep getting calls for the free dinner from MER as well. I’ve never gone. Thing is, they call me at work and I have yet to figure out how they got the number since I’ve never contacted them nor had an account with them.

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-11-18 09:13:03

“‘Our home equity line of credit issued at a rate of 6.5 percent to 7.5 percent interest was canceled while they maintained over $30,000 in available limits on credit cards with interest rates pushing 18 percent to 20 percent,’ Dedes wrote to the Gazette in October. ‘JP Morgan Chase should either reinstate the lower rate products or return the $25 billion that they were issued.’”

Poor guy, he actually thinks that the financial industry should care about his problems. When we talk about saving aquatic wildlife, no one talks about the plankton, just the whales.

We should all take a page from the supply side playbook: Trickle down. Bailout the wealthiest and the benefits will hopefully trickle down to the little guy.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-11-18 09:38:23

Explain to me how National City got ‘bailed out.’

‘Howard Klein was one of the stockholders who watched his National City investment become virtually worthless. ‘I got hit pretty good, but I have some friends with even bigger stakes. They’ve really been hurt by this,’ said the northern Ohio resident.’

‘Julien McCall, chairman of National City from 1979 to 1986, said he saw it all coming and tried to warn National City executives and board members, but to no avail. ‘It’s sad for the people involved,’ he said, ‘especially the stockholders, who absolutely got clobbered.’

It looks like the USG is simply trying an end run RTC style liquidation on the cheap. BTW, what are the FDIC deposits at NC, if any?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-11-18 09:48:43

RTC style liquidation on the cheap

Bingo. They want it without explicitly saying that that’s what they’re doing.

Comment by Ben Jones
2008-11-18 10:05:22

The RTC took over the failed lenders and liquidated them. When you consider the FDIC deposits at these failed lenders, it may be that these guys are trying to prevent a nationwide run on the tellers. I don’t see any advantage to this route other than that.

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-11-18 10:19:21

But that’s clearly the game plan.

They want to avoid a bank run without avoiding the necessary forced liquidation of assets.

If they need to print to ensure viability of FDIC (which they probably will at some point), they are going to have a huge political and intellectual backlash.

 
Comment by DinOR
2008-11-18 10:29:33

FPSS,

Right, I think that was the motivation for -increasing- FDIC coverage. Kind of like a guy that’s owed you money forever and when you corner him on the topic, he promises to pay you TWICE what he originally borrowed!

 
 
 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-11-18 10:24:51

The Kalamazoo Gazette article wasn’t referencing National City, Ben.

Mr. Dedes mentions being “annoyed” about JP Morgan getting $25B of taxpayer money, but reducing his access to credit through a HELOC.

As far as I know, the capital infusion to JPM by Paulson was “no strings”. Neither JPM nor Mr. Dedes need taxpayer money to “survive”, but having a nice big no-strings capital infusion would allow them to pursue “business as usual”. Not the same thing.

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-11-18 09:26:33

Anecdotal evidence of the utter collapse of the housing market doesn’t get much better than this:

“The housing slump hasn’t come as a complete shock for Carlander, who said his workload had taken dramatic cuts in the past few years. In 2006, his company worked on about 650 homes. In 2007, it was down to 350. ‘This year, we’ve done 15,’ Carlander said. ‘We only have one on the books to the end of the year.’”

Comment by sf jack
2008-11-18 09:36:29

Over the weekend I was talking to the elderly parent of a 40-something guy who does home remodels in Marin.

“He hasn’t much work these days. But that’s OK, he does pretty well in the stock market.”

That’s great - just what this country needs.

Another move from one part of the FIRE economy to another!

Comment by sf jack
2008-11-18 09:38:31

alad -

My condolences to you and your Bills. I only saw the first quarter or so, and those first two Edwards picks were just momentum killers.

IIRC, he did a lot of that at Stanford.

Comment by aladinsane
2008-11-18 09:47:33

Being a Bills fan is a Sisyphean task, a punishment from the gods…

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2008-11-18 09:59:13

It could be worse. You could be a Cubs fan.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-11-18 10:01:58

in order to keep up in the high standards of Bills disappointment, the Cubbies would have to lose 4 World Series in a row…

That’s not easy to do.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2008-11-18 11:27:55

It could be worse. You could be a Cubs fan.

Hey now!

(Talk about your Sisyphean tasks …)

 
Comment by DennisN
2008-11-18 12:41:08

It could even be worse. How about being a fan of the Boise Hawks?

They are the farm club for the Cubs. :(

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-11-18 12:45:10

ET:

I’ll trade you Bills for the Cubbies, straight-up.

(i’ll sweeten the pot by throwing in Niagara Falls)

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2008-11-18 13:23:07

Niagara Falls, huh?

That’s enticing.

My friend Sam, who grew up in Buffalo, is a Cubs fan and a Bills fan.

(I think the Sabres help him keep it together.)

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-11-18 13:37:02

“Niagara Falls, huh?

That’s enticing.”

I must warn you in advance, I don’t have clean title to it…

 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-11-18 12:56:57

And when you play with the FIRE economy, you can get burned.

 
 
 
Comment by Blano
2008-11-18 09:32:22

“Instead, PNC Financial Services Group of Pittsburg received $7.7 billion in federal funds and marching orders to use it to buy struggling National City, which it did for $5.58 billion, or $2.23 a share.”

Free banks for everybody!!! Even cash back at closing!!! What a country!!!

Comment by CincyDad
2008-11-18 10:14:01

Here is where Washington is picking the winners and losers. National City (based in Cleveland) is actually bigger than PNC (based in Pittsburgh). But NC was denied their request for capital, while PNC was granted enough money to buy NC.

Yes, NC’s balance sheet was weaker than PNC’s, but imagine if the Fed’s had granted NC money. They could have bought PNC instead of the other-way-around, thereby stengthening their balance sheet.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2008-11-18 10:33:57

That is one of the big problems of the government doling out free money to these financial corporations…there is a complete lack of transparency as to how these decisions are made about how much each bank should get, and why.

Comment by CrookCounty
2008-11-18 12:12:25

It’s more of a problem than that. The whole basis for bailing out the banks was that they were “too big to fail”. Shouldn’t those banks then be broken up and getting smaller, not larger?

I think it’s time to start wholesale seizing the personal civil assets, including primary residence homes, of government regulators and corporate executives.

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Comment by milkcrate
2008-11-18 13:05:11

For the true thieves, they should also crack open their kids’ trust funds and return the ill-gotten gains to their rightful owners, folks who worked and sacrificed.

 
Comment by milkcrate
2008-11-18 13:07:51

Uh oh. I called for a crack. :()

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-11-18 09:58:59

‘We’re not quite in foreclosure yet, but we’re very, very, very close. …“Bruce finds some comfort in knowing that he’s not alone. ‘I’m not happy about it, but it does make me feel better that there’s many millions, millions, millions of people who are in this situation…”

This Bruce ninny really likes to repeat, repeat, repeat himself. I hope someone gives him a slap, slap, slap, and helps his wee brain joggle lose from his verbal rut, rut, rut.

From the same article:
“(Janice Jones) have learned to live within my means,” she said. “I don’t use credit cards. There’s no vacations. … Things have really turned around. The loan is restructured, and the bills are paid…Jones staved off foreclosure”

Hey, lookit, Bruce, Bruce, Bruce! You gotta subtract Janice from your comforting toll of millions of other ninnies! Go, Janice.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-11-18 09:59:38

Livingston I presume, is atypical of all Realtors that never saw a sow’s ear they couldn’t turn into a silk purse, somehow…
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“Regardless of the gloomy reports, volatile stock market and uncertain future, all of the real estate agents, lenders and brokers contacted for this story agreed on one thing: Now is the time to buy. ‘What are you waiting for? It’s a great time to be a homeowner,’ Livingston said.”

 
Comment by Marcus
2008-11-18 10:26:51

I’ve taken to antogonizing pollyana realtors. It’s more fun to just say that I’ve heard all realtors are responsible for scamming FBs by tricking them into taking out huge subprime loans. Then when they deny with a logical argument, I shake my head and say I read it online somewhere. Gotta fight delusional fire with delusional fire.

Comment by Marcus
2008-11-18 10:35:11

My favorite approach is to give them a distrustful glare and ramble off an absoulutely falsified statement like, “I heard that 99% of Florida Realtors were proven to have committed mortgage fraud schemes… how do I know that I can trust you?”

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-11-18 11:14:06

‘I’ve taken to antogonizing pollyana realtors.’

Good on ya, Marcus. That’s a SUPER hobby, much better than knitting. I’ve taken to antagonizing everybody lately, because it has been too cold to run around in the forest as much–with a notable exception I want to tell you all about later in detail–and I’m bored. What, like I’m gonna pay attention to this stupid ‘work’ stuff?
Nohow!
There’s this one face I do, I think of it as ‘The Skeptical Wise One #2′, that I’ve been polishing up, where I purse the corners of my little pink lips up into a dainty moue, and quirk my left eyebrow upwards and gaze thoughtfully into the distance while squinting my eyes and I murmur ‘Hmmmmmm…’ in a doubting sort of murmur. Sometimes I rub my chin, too.

Look, it’s hard to describe, you really have to see it, but if you DID see it, it would make you absolutely ape-poop crazy, I guarantee it. I’m probably gonna get punched one of these days whilst doing it, probably by the storm and surface water guys I am presently dealing with, because they are a buncha oafish churls and probably capable of hitting delicate girls.

Comment by Marcus
2008-11-18 11:32:12

I think I can speak for all the gents and maybe some of the gals on this board when I say that I am unappologetically smitten with the Oly-gal. You make me smile on a daily basis.

Comment by Olympiagal
2008-11-18 12:03:18

Why, thank you, Marcus!

And now, as a result of your words, you can watch me segue into ‘Coy Modesty #7’. That’s where I tip my head slightly to the right, lightly flutter my eyelashes, giggle in a trilling fashion, and do a little sideways sort of skip thing*; landing not less than 4 or so inches from starting position, depending on high-heel height and surrounding terrain.
In this case, because I’m charmed by your words, I will also twirl a ringlet around my finger, and then giggle trillingly once more. :)

*The skip thing is the hard part. You don’t want to bust an ankle bounding about on gravel. It’s more of a horizontal wiggle, in that situation.

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Comment by hd74man
2008-11-18 15:23:12

RE: Coy Modesty #7’. That’s where I tip my head slightly to the right, lightly flutter my eyelashes, giggle in a trilling fashion, and do a little sideways sort of skip thing*; landing not less than 4 or so inches from starting position, depending on high-heel height and surrounding terrain.
In this case, because I’m charmed by your words, I will also twirl a ringlet around my finger, and then giggle trillingly once more.

Your treatise on the endurance of “Portly McFatty’s” dog farts is far more impressive.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-11-18 21:20:07

‘Your treatise on the endurance of “Portly McFatty’s” dog farts is far more impressive.’

Well, I admit as how’s that a good treaty. On the other hand, you haven’t seen me skip. You’d faint with joy if you did.

G

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2008-11-18 21:21:51

Oooops, I meant:

‘Og.’

Because that’s my name here.

 
Comment by Hazard
2008-11-18 22:44:34

Olympiagal, that running around the forest thing.
Best you put your clothes back on. As you say it gets cold.

Besides you’ll scare the animals all around there naked like that. Ah, first post a couple of pictures. Then get dressed.

 
 
Comment by KenWPA
2008-11-18 19:29:17

Gotta agree with you Marcus. Between Olympiagal and Lost in Utah, I am very intrigued.

Both very witty gals, and I am sure a ton of fun to be around.

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Comment by Olympiagal
2008-11-18 21:26:00

‘Both very witty gals, and I am sure a ton of fun to be around.’

Surely! If you lived through the experience, that is.
Hahahahaa!
Hey, where IS losty? Now that I think of it? Oh, whatever; prolly blowing something up out in the wilderness. You know how she is. Always with the excitements, that gal. Her and her dadburn ravens.

 
Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-11-18 22:20:37

ROTFLMAO!!!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by DirtDog
2008-11-18 10:42:41

“Jeff Stainer, a Naperville agent, said history has shown that both the stock market and home values are going to rebound and, if folks don’t buy now, ‘they’re destined to miss out on the bottom of the market.’”

Methinks there’s something in the water up in Naperville.

Comment by Legal Eagle
2008-11-18 11:20:17

Naperville sucks. Its Schaumburg x 3 except that it has a small downtown. It is everything a crappy suburb is supposed to be and more.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2008-11-18 11:56:57

I’m telling ya, Chicagoland has it’s very own brand of “its different here”. It is wrapped in a veil of Midwestern frugality and work ethic, but at its core it is as absurd as anything uttered in CA, FL or NYC.

Don’t be fooled America - the Heartland is as deluded as the coasts.

 
 
Comment by nam
2008-11-18 10:44:49

I disagree with the advice given in the Naperville Sun article. This is not the time to buy property in Naperville (or surrounding areas).
My rent is still 35% lower than the cost of owning the very same property (townhouse next door sold last September, so I kind of know the market price).
I expect an increase on taxes for the stupidly expensive new high school.
BP is still getting rid off personnel or moving them to Houston. We still have to see the effects of the recession in the other big employers in the city (Tellabs, Nicor, Nalco and Navistar).
People in Naperville heloced themselves out of their houses. The foreclosures are not only due to high prices or arms adjusting or interest only loans, there are plenty of foreclosures from people using their houses as ATMs, buying cars, vacations and luxury items with their home equity.
The median house price and median income ratio is NOT 3x. There are still delusional prices every where (what they owe to the bank, not what an average buyer can afford, or what they owe to the bank plus $100K); we still have the first wave of flippers/ spec builders trying to sell what they bought in 2005/06, and the second wave of flippers trying to sell the foreclosed houses they bought in 2007. We still have babyboomers trying to get their dreamed retirement selling their old houses for +$500K.
My husband wants to buy, but as soon as I show him what we would get for our money he changes his mind . I rather enjoy our flexibility and maybe move somewhere else if Illinois continues to spiral down.

 
Comment by Ian
2008-11-18 10:52:39

Went hunting Elk this week-end… ah to see the beauty of pristine Nature not destined to be destroyed by sprawl or clearcut for house timber.

Where healthy rules of survival of the fittest apply, where there is no bailout BS and all is simple.

Sometimes I wonder what use is really having all this brainpower if it is always misused for all the c.r.ap our civilization create.

Back to reality this morning.

Comment by Olympiagal
2008-11-18 14:07:59

Hello, Ian.

Q: So, Ian, did you get an elk?

A: I bet you didn’t, or you wouldn’t be wasting time rhapsodizing all poetical. Although I like your enthusiasm. See, ifn’ you had, you’d be super busy sawing the goshawful giant messy red thing up in your garage, total drunken, and calling up all your friends and bragging about how it was about a zillion miles away when you spotted it through your scope and dropped it with one shot.
( :) Now, don’t be grumpy. I do it that way, too. This is not a criticism, simply an observation.)

Q.2. Sometimes I wonder what use is really having all this brainpower.

A.2. So you can locate where the beer is! And then have money in your pockets to buy the beer. Jeeze. Then, later, to do something else with your brain powers, but I forget what that is. Something worthwhile, I’m sure.

Comment by Olympiagal
2008-11-18 14:19:12

Actually, I haven’t had a ton of success with elk hunting for the last 4 years. I make too much noise, according to experts. You would think the sound of a giant peaceful cricket would lure the stupid elks out of hiding, so’s where you could shoot them, but you know what? You and me’d be wrong.

Let that be a helpful hint to all aspiring HBB elk hunters: “Don’t attempt to make giant cricket sounds, because elks don’t seem to like that”.

That shows us all that elks are stupid.

Comment by Ian
2008-11-18 18:04:47

4 days in the brush… ask me what doesn’t hurt!

I am a beginner so yeah I think I did pretty well spotting countless droppings and following that trail… up to that 60 degrees slope in moist ground.

I am studying now their behavior patterns extensively and will get a couple of game cams too.

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Comment by Olympiagal
2008-11-18 21:30:19

‘what doesn’t hurt ?’

Ian? Ian? Ian? Ian, what ‘doesn’t’ hurt?
Hey, you TOLD me to ask you. But I already know: nothing. Jeebus, that reminds me. I am never ever going elk hunting again.

 
Comment by Ian
2008-11-19 00:41:18

He he it was all epic… I am hooked. Got to drink beer with the locals and got to see the nice life of a small mountain town.

And those elk droppings I ended up crashing into after sliding on the wet grass… they smell!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-11-18 18:58:56

“the beauty of pristine Nature not destined to be destroyed by sprawl or clearcut for house timber”

no, instead destined to be destroyed by hunters…

“Where healthy rules of survival of the fittest apply”

no, rules of survival of the one with the great advantage, the gun bearer…

“having all this brainpower”

QED…

Comment by Ian
2008-11-19 00:44:21

Elk are actually pretty smart… they can hear you 1 mile away, and while they walk openly (almost to taunt hunters) on private lands and outside of the hunting ground, they spend the whole day in dense cover on the hunting parts. Only 10% of hunters manage to bag one…

And I paid a hefty sum for my tag… which goes into conservation. For the record 100 times more deer are killed by cars than by hunters.

I used to be against hunting but after passing the hunter exam my perspective changed. I am a former Greenpeace who saw the light.

 
 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-11-18 11:04:52

“Al Scheiderer, a real estate agent working in Naperville says paying rent means giving away all that money as real cash. ‘If your rent is $2,000, that’s real money that you have to give away,’

And that’s why I pay my Mortgage with Monopoly Money. Does this moron consider interest payments and property taxes not a give away of “real” money whatever that is ?

Comment by Al
2008-11-18 11:55:57

I keep hearing about this interest thingee that has something to do with mortgage payments. I asked my realtor about it and she said don’t worry it’s a write off.

Comment by milkcrate
2008-11-18 13:20:11

Al
Or how about this one:I was walking through a presumed short sale SFH. My only question: “has bank approved short sale price?” Response: “they got the ball rolling.”
One of silliest answers I have heard in while.
Ball rolling.
I think they are playing Bowling for Dollars with a diminishing number of pins.

 
 
 
Comment by Jen Bones
2008-11-18 11:05:43

The Naperville Sun from Illinois. “To rent or buy - that is the question. There was a time when the noble thing to do was save your money and buy a piece of the American Dream. Naperville-based real estate agents say there might not be a better time to buy than now.

From Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 1, Lines 130-134 (New American transl.):

In the most high and palmy state of Illinois,
A little ere the mightiest banker fell,
The homes stood tenantless, and the sheeted dead
Did squeak and gibber in the Naperville streets;

* * *
Shuffling off this mortal coil,
Jen

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2008-11-18 11:31:28

According to the Illinois Department of Employment Security, construction lost 3,300 workers statewide in the month of September, the second largest loss since February 2007. This year, the section has shed 10,000 workers, the worst among all the industry sectors.

10,000? That’s it?

C’mon, that has to be underreported by a factor of, what, 2,3 … 5?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-11-18 13:00:33

The 10k figure stands for the American construction workers. Those who had come here, from, ahem, other countries without proper documentation just up and disappeared.

Comment by milkcrate
2008-11-18 13:39:41

Slim:
Wazzat? The tunnel leads people south, too?
You have just improved my day. ;>

 
 
 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2008-11-18 11:36:05

Eppstein Uhen, which has offices in Milwaukee and Madison, reduced its staff largely because of the decline in the condo market, Uhen said. ‘That work has fallen off the cliff,’ he said.

The condo market should’ve never taken off in either Madison or Milwaukee, Mr. Uhen. You know that. You were Specu-Architecting.

I love both of those cities, but the thought of owning a condo in either is ludicrous.

 
Comment by Mike_G
2008-11-18 13:00:59

Kind of OT, but I just can’t believe this…

DC area condo prices are holding up better than housing prices.

Perhaps it’s because most of the condos are close in where as housing for the metro area extends into W.VA… but there are SO MANY unsold condos here.

http://washington.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2008/11/17/daily35.html?surround=lfn&brthrs=1

Washington-area housing prices are sharply lower in the latest quarterly report from the National Association of Realtors, but area condo prices are faring better.

The quarterly report says the average price of a single-family home in the Washington area was $332,700 in the third quarter, down 24 percent from the average price of $438,000 in the third quarter of 2007. Washington-area condo prices averaged $263,000, down 11.2 percent from a year ago.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2008-11-18 15:02:39

“Greg Dedes, a 37-year-old construction manager who lives near Portage Lake in Mendon Township…was annoyed in October when he was notified that his home equity line of credit at Chase Bank had been eliminated. But, he said, he was infuriated when he learned the consumer banking operation of JP Morgan Chase & Co., which was set to receive $25 billion from the U.S. Treasury, had not reduced the lines of credit on his high-interest rate credit cards.”
================================

Mr. McGuire: I want to say one word to you. Just one word.
Benjamin: Yes, sir.
Mr. McGuire: Are you listening?
Benjamin: Yes, I am.
Mr. McGuire: Plastics.

Comment by implosion
2008-11-19 00:33:12

Still a great movie - remember seeing it for the first time about 40 years ago. Bonnie and Clyde, Night of the Living Dead, spaghetti westerns, A Man for All Seasons, 2001: A Space Odyssey…

Reminds me that I have to watch a Kennedy assassination feature at some time next week along with a Twilight Zone Marathon.

 
 
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