November 18, 2008

A Ph.D. In Loss

A report from Oregon Public Radio. “In the last several years high-end resort communities have sprung up across the West. But those destination resorts are suffering big time under the housing slump and credit crunch. Vast tracks of land sit idle without buyers. Resort club houses are ‘closing for the winter.’ And several developments are trying to fight off foreclosure. Charlotte McGinness is a Realtor for Zillah Lakes — a second-home development just east of Yakima, Washington. She’s eager to point out all the special features of this lake-side home she’s selling.”

“Still, owners of this resort have 650 homes to sell. So far, they’ve sold about 20. And many of those sales have been to McGinness’ own friends and family.”

“Charlotte McGinness: ‘I’m committed to it. Otherwise my dear mom wouldn’t be buying here if I didn’t think it was a good place to buy. And my sister wouldn’t be buying here if I didn’t think it was a good place to buy. And my boyfriend wouldn’t be buying here if I didn’t think it was a good place to buy.’”

“From Colorado to Oregon chalets stand empty, resort hotels are closing down and large developments are in jeopardy. These resorts were begun in happier times: Well-off Baby Boomers were looking for vacation homes. Getting credit was easy and there was a huge rush in real estate investment. Gregory Kolb is a resort development research analyst based in Colorado. He says the second-home market was oversaturated and now those once numerous buyers have gone away.”

“Gregory Kolb: ‘While there would have been demand two years ago, there isn’t any anymore. Because people who might have bought that stuff don’t qualify can’t get that lending so they can’t buy. And that’s where you see people left with this glut of development.’”

“Pronghorn Resort near Bend, Oregon has also laid-off people, closed its Bend sales office and reduced its winter operations. And Moonlight Basin Ranch in Montana is battling rumors of bankruptcy. Steve Robertson: ‘It’s the worst.’”

“That’s Steve Robertson, the developer of Illahee resort in Walla Walla. The project is now on hold, after millions of dollars were invested. Steve Robertson: ‘You would be silly to move forward in that environment building up additional financial obligations that there are no buyers for because there is no lending capacity at the bank level even if they wanted to buy your house, the banks not going to help them do it.’”

The Oregonian. “Consumers slapped shut their wallets in October, helping drive the unemployment rate to 7.3 percent in Oregon, which lost 14,100 jobs since September — the worst seasonally adjusted monthly decline since February 1981.”

“‘Consumers are going on strike,’ said Michael Parks, publisher of a Seattle-based economic bulletin. ‘It’s no wonder, because their housing prices are going down, their job security is eroding, and by the way, have you opened your 401K statement lately?’”

The Register Guard from Oregon. “Nothing about the past five months has been easy for Thomas Henderson. An assembly line worker at Monaco Coach Corp. in Coburg, the 39-year-old divorced father of three was among the temporary layoffs in June, leaving the family with no steady source of income to pay bills or the mortgage on their five-bedroom home in north Eugene.”

“Henderson held a garage sale, took in a boarder and accepted any job he could get — including one as a caller for a collection agency — one of the few booming businesses these days. ‘Try going home and having calls from people trying to do the same thing to you,’ he said, noting the irony.”

“‘I’m struggling — if the economy doesn’t shape up in the next six months or so, I don’t know if I’m going to be able to keep my house,’ Henderson said.”

From MarketWatch. “Faced with selling his house in a slow economy, George Tran decided to do something creative, while benefiting Habitat for Humanity, Best Friends Animal Shelter, and Citizens for Health at the same time. He is giving away his house in Oregon to the most worthy family via the Internet. Users are asked to pay a $19.95 registration fee to be in the running. Tell him why they should receive the house and have the Internet decide.”

“The story with the highest number of votes will receive the house (or $100,000) as a Christmas present. Proceeds above $300,000 will be donated. This is a first-of-its-kind giveaway as it uses the Internet to select the winner; prior contests are judged by the operator.”

“Tran said, ‘We bought the house in 2005 for $250,000, and had a horrible tenant that trashed the place. As a result, we spent $40,000 to renovate the place. We were told by our agent, Jody Draper, that it may take 11 months, or more, to sell in this market. As Internet marketers, my wife and I thought, why not use social media and see if we can give it away? We also want to make the offer relevant to more people as not everyone wants to move to Oregon, so we decided to award the winner with their choice of the house or $100,000 cash.’”

The Associated Press on Idaho. “It seemed like a no-brainer: build swanky homes around a Jack Nicklaus-designed golf course above scenic Lake Pend Oreille, all in the shadow of the Schweitzer Mountain ski area. But it turned into a nightmare for Sullivan Homes Idaho. The luxury builder recently went out of business after going an entire year without selling a single home despite being the ‘preferred builder’ at The Idaho Club.”

“The economic meltdown is having a special impact in the remote Idaho Panhandle, where construction of vacation and luxury retirement homes amid the lakes and mountains has made this one of the fastest growing regions in the country for the past decade. ‘In the last few weeks, the world’s changed quite a bit,’ said Mike Meldman of Gozzer Ranch, a 395-home development on nearby Lake Coeur d’Alene.”

“Kathryn Tacke, an analyst for the state Department of Labor, said about 200 real estate agents have recently left the business in the Coeur d’Alene area alone. In the Sun Valley area, the 421-unit Sweetwater Community has been suspended after 49 town homes were built and none were sold.”

“In some ways, the drop in stock prices is good for developers, because it drives investors into looking for harder assets like homes, Meldman said. ‘You are investing in family and able to enjoy it and use it and have a hard asset,’ Meldman said. ‘As long as you don’t have to sell the house, you are not going to lose value and it is not going to disappear on you.’”

From Local News 8 in Idaho. “Eastern Idaho’s housing market is flooded with homes, and buyers aren’t buying as much as they used to even though real estate agents say it’s more of buyer’s market. Sales have declined by about 30 to 40 percent for the months of September and October.”

“Most listing agents across the Snake River valley will put homes up for sale between November 17th to the 23rd. They plan to take a recommended 5 percent off the price of homes. It’s an effort to encourage nervous buyers.”

“If you’ve considered selling in today’s market, you might have run into some obstacles. ‘Sellers are having to do more, whether it’s be a little more aggressive on the price, whether it’s improving the condition to get it sold. You’re seeing more negotiation when the offers do come in,’ says Steven Taggart, a Broker in Idaho Falls.”

“Not all houses on the market are for sale. Stephanie Laird and her husband Ryan are the owners of a rental company in Rexburg. While the economy is hurting nearly every business across the nation, theirs seems to be thriving. Stephanie Laird said, ‘People can’t sell their home, so they turn to rent. People are renting like crazy because they can’t get mortgages.’”

“We’ve seen the signs in nearly every neighborhood, but as the economy continues to struggle, many home owners are looking for a way to hang on to their equity. The owner of Rentmaster in Idaho Falls is seeing an increase in not only his rentals, but the number of empty houses. Rentmaster owner Michael Baird said, ‘Usually there are more apartments, but now there are more empty homes.’”

“While a third of the nation rents, the economy could be pushing a different crowed towards the rental market. ‘We’re talking doctors, lawyers, it’s not just your average renters anymore’ explained Laird. ‘It’s people you would think would have money, and they’re renting.’”

The Daily News from Washington. “Cowlitz County’s housing market nose-dived in October, with homes sales and the median selling price down nearly 20 percent. The county’s median price was $159,500 last month, down from $195,000 in October 2007 and the lowest in three years, the Northwest MLS reported.”

“‘The real estate marketplace doesn’t have buyers in it,’ said Gerry Flaskerud, broker in Longview.”

“At the beginning of the month, Flaskerud’s agency took a bold step to attract buyers by cutting the prices of nearly half of their listed homes by 10 percent. Participation by sellers was strong, Flaskerud said. But buyers, frightened by news of collapsing investment banks, high unemployment and the erratic stock market, mostly stayed on the sidelines, he said.”

“‘It is psychological. It’s not that they don’t have credit or can’t get it. They’re not even thinking about trying to,’ Flaskerud said.”

“Longview developer Charles Blevins had big dreams of creating jobs, homes and profits. When a large bank loan fell through this year for a subdivision he was poised to build at the foot of Mount Solo, Blevins’ dreams died. The ripple effect of losing that loan caused his other business and real estate ventures to implode. He owes money to several local companies. If he can’t work out deals with his creditors, he may have to file for bankruptcy, Blevins said.”

“‘I lost everything,’ he said, citing losses that amount to millions of dollars.”

“‘It all snowballed so fast. I was throwing good money after bad left and right,’ Blevins said. ‘If I would have been smarter, in retrospect, I would have pulled the plug’ at the first sign of the market slowdown, he said.”

“Blevins couldn’t be reached for Sunday’s story. Neither city officials nor his former business partner knew where he was. City Development Director John Brickey said he assumed Blevins was abandoning the project because he hadn’t heard from him since the city approved it in November 2007. Yes, the project is kaput, Blevins confirmed. Blevins, who now lives in Vancouver, saw the article online and came to The Daily News office Thursday to explain what happened.”

“‘People need to know I didn’t just leave town and take the money,’ he said, adding that he wants to apologize to anyone in town who lost money as a result of his failed business ventures.”

“After the city approved the Mount Solo subdivision, Blevins said, he and his brother went to Cowlitz Bank and learned their loan for the development’s infrastructure had been cancelled. ‘After two years of making very high payments, we were obviously in the same boat as every other developer. So we had to put the brakes on everything,’ said Blevins, who had partnered on the deal with his half-brother and his wife. The lender who’d financed the partners’ purchase of the 77 acres at Mount Solo now owns the land, Blevins said.”

“In addition to the Mount Solo Project, Blevins was forced to sell his share of Park Place mall, a retail development he and another business partner built on Oregon Way. He’s lost his two rental homes, plus 10 acres of property on which he’d intended to build a house for himself. He no longer has a cell phone, and his Hummer SUV is for sale. ‘I’m just down to the basics,’ he said.”

“At heart, though, he’s a developer. And when the market improves, he hopes to return with a different approach — one where he’s not overexposed and overextended. This has been a lesson learned, Blevins said. ‘I have a Ph.D. in loss,’ he said.”

“Blevins, who once owned a mortgage company, is working on forming a non-profit organization to help victims of the mortgage crisis to repair their credit. ‘This economy is maybe a blessing in disguise because it makes people realize the power of savings and the power of being frugal,’ he said.”




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Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-11-18 14:32:26

‘I’m committed to it. Otherwise my dear mom wouldn’t be buying here if I didn’t think it was a good place to buy. And my sister wouldn’t be buying here if I didn’t think it was a good place to buy. And my boyfriend wouldn’t be buying here if I didn’t think it was a good place to buy.’”

Well, that’s one way to make everyone you know mad at you…and broke. Wow, with panache.

Comment by Santa Bubblicious
2008-11-18 15:09:51

I’m sure she’s selling the homes to her family as a favor. No way she’s taking a commission, right?

 
Comment by Dr. Strangelove
2008-11-18 15:38:31

““Still, owners of this resort have 650 homes to sell. So far, they’ve sold about 20. And many of those sales have been to McGinness’ own friends and family.”

“Charlotte McGinness: ‘I’m committed to it.”

Unfortunately, Charlotte, you’ve “committed” your friends and family JT treatments. Pass the JT lube, please…what’s the label say?

TABASCOGLIDE

DOC

Comment by James
2008-11-18 15:47:45

Wait doc I’m not sure thats lube….. AIIiiiiieeeeee

Comment by DinOR
2008-11-18 16:54:17

LOL! Right, then factor out “Charlotte McAmway” ( loved it ) and they’ve brought in about (9) legit sales in the last year. Again I’m just beside myself with how long these under-reported events were allowed to fester.

At this rate they have about 32.5 years of inventory. That’s not a “cold” ( we’re talking dental records )

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Comment by pismoclam
2008-11-18 16:32:00

Call your Aunts and Uncles as well as your Grand parents. Thats four to eight more commissions to keep you warm this Xmas.

 
Comment by climber
2008-11-18 17:00:10

The simple fact is that middle class folks can only really afford a cabin at most (it’s a Coleman tent for us). We don’t even rent “chalets”, let alone buy one. We will, for special occasions, rent a furnished cabin, but a pop up camper is about all we aspire to, and even that option has garnered little commitment from us.

I’d bet RV sales are way down too. If it’s not necessary it’s likely not selling well and won’t be for a while, if ever.

Comment by Vermontergal
2008-11-18 19:17:25

We tent camp and are able to do a lot more traveling than even if we stayed in Motel 6’s. It’s great when the weather holds, if not, we take off for home or get a motel for just a night or two.

I’ve “lusted” after pop-up campers before and that would be the height of luxury for us because the numbers don’t work. I figured out once that I could buy all new equipment tent camping equipment every single season and not equal the cost of 1 used pop-up camper.

What’s sad is that if a simple pop-up camper doesn’t pencil out, imagine out completely out of wack the economics are on those huge RVs. I could take several luxury trips to Europe for 1 of those bought new.

Comment by DennisN
2008-11-18 19:38:55

I have a luxury tent set up, with 20 lb propane cylinder with lamp and stove, giant ice chest, etc. which all folds down small into my Miata. Not a bad setup for car camping. If I can get a luxury setup into a Miata, why the heck does anyone need a blooming RV?

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Comment by mina
2008-11-19 07:54:51

I found a rental place near me. Rent a brand new pop-up (they buy them new every season then sell them during the fall / winter) for 2 weeks for < $600

at that price it makes zero sense to buy one (used = $3K+) and store it and maintain it etc etc.

I personally like a tent and I won’t sleep in the pop-up. my husband and kids are not so die-hard. oh and the dog sleeps with me … in my bag … nice and warm! :-)

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Comment by denquiry
2008-11-18 22:17:16

chalet is french for rip-off.

 
Comment by goirishgohoosiers
2008-11-19 06:30:37

RV sales are way off. Ground zero for the implosion is just one county away from me. Hardly a day goes by without another story about yet another manufacturer closing its plant/laying off/going into chapter 11. On top of that, the Hummer is made here too and everyone knows where those sales are going.

At least we have ND football to prop up the local economy. Oops, that’s not really helping either.

 
Comment by MacAttack
2008-11-19 16:02:37

I think RV sales are dead. I went to the Portland RV show last weekend, and I’m betting there were no more than 200 people there. Great deals, if you were in the market - and terrible deals, if you wanted a Sprinter - based RV.

 
 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2008-11-18 20:48:12

The new Charlotte McGinness self-help book comes out in January: How to Lose Friends and Poorly Influence People.

Comment by pismoclam
2008-11-18 23:24:16

Flaskerud? You can’t just make these names up. hehehehehehe

 
 
 
Comment by Lost in Utah
2008-11-18 14:36:40

“Online spending for October grew at the slowest pace since at least 2001, an Internet research company said Tuesday - the latest evidence that Web shopping is being dragged down by the deteriorating economy.”

money dot cnn dot com

So much for the internet plot:

“He is giving away his house in Oregon to the most worthy family via the Internet. Users are asked to pay a $19.95 registration fee to be in the running. Tell him why they should receive the house and have the Internet decide.”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-11-18 15:15:44

And that mean ole Internet has a way of rendering decisions that these owners won’t like.

 
Comment by CrookCounty
2008-11-18 15:18:54

Why not just buy 20 Power Ball lottery tickets? You can “win” a lot more money.

These schemes reek of illegality. What’s next, everybody starts their own casino? C’mon down and turn your paycheck into a house downpayment on my roulette table! The United States has degenerated from a savings and investment society to a debt and gambling society. And corruption is rampant.

Comment by DinOR
2008-11-18 15:35:59

Crook County,

Couldn’t agree more! We’ve had “Essay Contests” on the Oregon coast so why NOT your own casino?

What also struck me about the entire series of articles was that a lot of these high-end builders haven’t sold a home in a YEAR! Wow ( and here we were being led to believe they were getting “snapped up”? )

Was it a case of builders giving their lenders the same song and dance? Just on a local note our newly built “upscale resort” in Marion County is running an ad in the ‘local’ paper for a mid-week special of dinner for 2, breakfast and a bottle of champagne AND a room for like $79 bucks.

What struck me odd was that “I” thought this ‘attraction’ was going to draw visitors from around the world? Why the hell are they advertising in a local paper? Just desperate for ‘any’ business I guess?

 
Comment by mybleachhouse
2008-11-18 15:56:39

It would be great if sellers put slot machines throughout the wasted 3000sf of space in their 4000sf homes. Then hold an “open house” every day until they have enough cash to break even when they sell. MLS listing will state .99 cent shrimp cocktails and beer next to the granite counter tops, stainless blah blah blah

Comment by CrookCounty
2008-11-18 17:22:45

I wholeheartedly agree! All open houses and RE offices should have all the glitz and glamor, the sights and sounds, of a Las Vegas casino. I want to hear the slot machine noises and see the flashing lights. Maybe some pump up your risk tolerance music, like “Highway to the Danger Zone”. And show the jackpot value of the live bids!

Just keep those flashing X-Mas/Casino “For Sale” lights on all the time. Buy me! Play me! Flip me! Renovate me! Whee! You could win this House! And there’s a secret car behind the garage door! It could be a brand new Escalade! This baby is a Specu-Vestor “Special”!

Jingle jingle! Beep beep! It’s a brand new game show called “The American Dream”. Sponsored by your local realtwhore agency, banks, mortgage brokerage companies, HUD, Fannie and Freddy, furniture stores, pool & hot tub install companies.

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Comment by implosion
2008-11-18 23:08:42

T*tty bar, maybe - otherwise why bother even going in?

 
Comment by MacAttack
2008-11-19 18:40:20

Yeah… Creative Memories has seen such a falloff in scrapbooking business that they’ve started a new product line… Creative Mammories.

Sorry, excuse me, it’s late! :)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by bromeo
2008-11-18 14:56:24

“He is giving away his house in Oregon to the most worthy family via the Internet. Users are asked to pay a $19.95 registration fee to be in the running. Tell him why they should receive the house and have the Internet decide.”

I wonder if this guy would try to back out of the deal if the proceeds from this auction are way less than the $290K or so that he has wrapped up in this dump?

Comment by climber
2008-11-18 17:01:47

They almost always have an escape clause. The question is will the “entrants” really get their money back if the lotto is cancelled.

Comment by DennisN
2008-11-18 19:42:56

I guess you really need a “straw winner”, who’s your pal, to be set up as the winner. That way you could pocket the funds and later let your straw winner quitclaim it back to you for a nominal fee.

 
 
Comment by implosion
2008-11-18 23:12:27

“Most worthy family”? Hope the bank f*cks this arrogant pr#ck in the a$$.

 
 
Comment by bromeo
2008-11-18 15:00:43

“He is giving away his house in Oregon to the most worthy family via the Internet. Users are asked to pay a $19.95 registration fee to be in the running. Tell him why they should receive the house and have the Internet decide.”

I wonder if this guy will try to back out of the deal if the “registration” fee proceeds are far less than the $290K he has wrapped up in this dump? Or maybe he’ll have some buddies work as schills and then use some kind of internet software (he is an internet marketer supposedly) to boost up the vote tallies on those
inserted “sob stories” as a sort of hedge?

 
Comment by In Montna
2008-11-18 15:02:28

There is also a big resort BK going on at the Yellowstone Club, near Big Sky MT. It was built so millionaires could ski/golf out in the middle of nowhere with no one else around. Had a friend whose relatives got him in to ski one weekend and said it was pretty neat.

Also an excuse for expensive trophy homes of course. Things started going downhill when Greg Lemond sued the owners..

http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/yellowstone_club_bankruptcy_exposes_brutal_financial_showdown/C35/L35/

Comment by DinOR
2008-11-18 15:58:04

Edra Blingseth, could you imagine working for ‘that’? Wow, makes Leona Helmsley look “kindly”. With resort employees using their own credit cards to help keep the ruse afloat, I think we’ve found our new Queen of Mean.

I mean just how many “prove your net worth” f*cking clubs can even the upper crust possibly need? This kind of development made what happened in the IE look sensible.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-11-18 17:31:26

Tim Blixseth’s is actually quite an amazing story, his rise to one of the worlds wealthiest individuals from a childhood of poverty. Right out of high school he had $1k to his name, and he used it as earnest money on a contract to purchase 360 acres of Oregon timberland for $90k. He flipped it to a lumber company for $140k, making $50k essentially overnight. This was back in the early 70’s. He never really looked back from there.

Comment by DinOR
2008-11-19 08:15:38

Bantering Bear,

I didn’t know that and I’ll make more of an effort going forward to learn more about this guy. Kind of sounds like a young J.R Simplot? Anyway ( and no offense ) but Edra just sounds/looks like a low-rent version of Ivanna Trump.

 
 
Comment by MacAttack
2008-11-19 18:44:25

Funny, there was a book I read which interviewed the Blixseths at great length. They just wanted to be ordinary folks. Guess that didn’t work out.

 
 
Comment by SMF
2008-11-18 15:05:38

“While there would have been demand two years ago, there isn’t any anymore”

There wasn’t any REAL demand two years ago. What you had was SPECULATIVE demand.

Get it?

Idiots. For a long time it has been build was is needed. I doubt that many would have known years ago what a ’spec’ building/house was.

It got corrupted to ‘if you build it, they will come’.

So they built ALL OVER the place. Overbuilt is a better word to use.

And then they wonder ‘where did the people go?’

They were never really there in the first place.

Comment by orangetabby
2008-11-19 07:51:18

Exactly! What kills me is they would restart this con-game in a moment if it was possible. They don’t “get” the harm that the speculation of a basic need has caused. None of them have reflected one bit on the ramifications of the overbuilding (the environmental waste/ecological destruction, driving out average first time buyers from the market, the rampant fraud they caused). There is no remorse at all - unless you count them not able to get rich anymore off the swindle! I am waiting to see some true remorse from the “players” who created this mess at the operational level. Wonder how long that will be?

Comment by DinOR
2008-11-19 08:09:48

orangetabby,

Now you’re talking! Exactly. Nobody enjoys bubble blogging more than me but it would be infinitely more productive if this was our basic premise and focus.

If NAR/NAHB etc. ‘has’ any remorse whatsoever ( they sure have a funny way of showing it? ) And this should be the focus on Capitol Hill as well. Why aren’t the people that directly benifitted the most not being called to task?

I think we all realize there isn’t much point going after now defunct or seriously ailing lenders but NAR generated $60 bil. in commissions for 2005. Why isn’t their “tab” being calculated and deducted from their commissions going forward? Why have they and the Mortgage “Banker’s” Association been able to remain totally immune from any responsibility?

Fortunately for them the mess THEY created is now so out of control the debate has moved on to bailing out auto mfrs! ( Dodged a bullet on ‘that’ one! ) Not to annoy Olympiagal any further but I really, really, really wish you would post more often. :)

 
Comment by DinOR
2008-11-19 08:21:07

orangetabby,

In case it didn’t post, I couldn’t agree more! They’d love nothing more than to set the clock back to 2002 and ramp up all over again.

Again I think it would be a lot more productive to place our focus on holding the REIC accountable than endless… redundant jabs at “the ownership society”. Even if it didn’t result in convictions and restitution it would be considerably more historically accurate and oh so refreshing.

Comment by orangetabby
2008-11-19 11:00:57

Thanks DinOR! :)

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Comment by The Housing Wizard
2008-11-18 15:08:55

I got to say that the Car Companies are doing a much better job of selling a bail out loan than Paulson and BB did of selling their bail outs .

First ,the car companies are simply asking for a loan . Second, the government would be on the hook on the retirement insurance anyway
if they went BK ,so, that in fact was the Union Guys first point and a very valid one . Third ,the point of the employment they will keep and many other points they are making are convincing . Forth ,the CEO’s are saying they are viable because of what they have coming down the line in the form of new energy saving products and they are saying that the reason for their stress is the over all global market recession . They just want the opportunity to stay alive until the market returns to a viable market over all . Just my take on the points of what the Car Guys are trying to say .

 
Comment by In Montana
2008-11-18 15:08:57

Yellowstone Club resort near Big Sky, Montana is also going BK.

Sorry for the double post.

 
Comment by KR
2008-11-18 15:09:35

I just spoke with an Agent here in Washington DC area. She assures me that with new administration coming in January that there will be a mini-housing boom coming. She told me thousands of new people coming to the area would need new housing. I tried to tell her, that the same amount of people would be selling too (old administration).

She blew that idea off.

If they want to fix housing, they need to cut these folks fees that they make. These are over paid Unprofessionals.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-11-18 15:14:40

Isn’t this “new people buying/renting and old people selling/departing from rentals” as old as D.C. itself? I mean, come on, although some of its citizens act like it, this country wasn’t born yesterday.

Comment by bink
2008-11-18 15:51:32

I know people who’ve been realtors in the DC area across decades. They say the change of administration “surge” in demand is imperceptible.

 
 
Comment by NOVAwatcher
2008-11-19 06:10:10

To put it bluntly, your agent is full of $hit. I too at one time thought that changes of administration might lead to mini-booms, so I went through the historical records. Nothing. Then I spread my net wider and looked for periodic patterns every 4 years. Nothing.

The Washington Post had an article on this recently, and the conclusion? The number of new people coming in is so tiny compared to the metro population, that it has no effect. Never mind that some of the current folks will be leaving the area and going back home.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2008-11-18 15:11:05

Indulge me while I do a little copy -n- paste:

“‘It is psychological. It’s not that they don’t have credit or can’t get it. They’re not even thinking about trying to,’ Flaskerud said.”

Nothing like equating a lack of willingness to take on debt with a psychological problem.

“Blevins, who once owned a mortgage company, is working on forming a non-profit organization to help victims of the mortgage crisis to repair their credit. ‘This economy is maybe a blessing in disguise because it makes people realize the power of savings and the power of being frugal,’ he said.”

Could savings and frugality possibly win out over spending and indebtedness? Stay tuned…

Comment by CrookCounty
2008-11-18 15:35:05

A nonprofit company where he likely pays himself a six figure salary!

Comment by fries with that?
2008-11-18 22:08:18

Exactly. Next time you’re in the dentist’s office, flip through a copy of Architectural Digest. Bling-wise, the CEOs of Wall Street have nothing on the officers of some non-profits.

 
 
Comment by Dr. Strangelove
2008-11-18 15:49:34

““Blevins, who once owned a mortgage company, is working on forming a non-profit organization to help victims of the mortgage crisis to repair their credit. ‘This economy is maybe a blessing in disguise because it makes people realize the power of savings and the power of being frugal,’ he said.””

Blevins, your obvious caring humanitarism earns you the honorary HBB JT DP award!

DOC

Comment by DinOR
2008-11-18 16:43:33

DOC,

Oh they -already- have legions of former MB’s flocking to every financial “self-help” model/scam imaginable. Just go on Craigslist and look under “Sales/Biz Dev.” and every 5th post is somebody offering “Get out of debt” seminars etc.

What’s really funny about that crowd is that the fees they want to charge are almost always to the penny what a mortgage re-fi would net them?

Comment by CrookCounty
2008-11-18 17:29:31

Re-Fi your FICO with Hi-Fi Credit Consolidated!

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Comment by DinOR
2008-11-18 18:44:58

Right,

You’re only 30 Days away from a NEW you FICO Score!

Since a lot of these guys were privately snickering while re-fi’ing all those people this is almost exactly like the con-artists that call back their victims and get money a SECOND time by promising to go after ‘those’ dirty bastards!

Enough already.

 
 
 
Comment by rms
2008-11-18 22:15:48

“‘It all snowballed so fast. I was throwing good money after bad left and right,’ Blevins said. ‘If I would have been smarter, in retrospect, I would have pulled the plug’ at the first sign of the market slowdown, he said.”

If your dad was smart he would have pulled out.

Comment by implosion
2008-11-18 23:24:00

rms, no sh*t! I swear I thought the same thing when I read that in the post. I’m sure both his parents wish his father had pulled out.

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Comment by The Housing Wizard
2008-11-18 15:17:59

Finally Dodds is asking the question as to financial risk as to the paper that
investors are holder regarding car loan paper . Looks like Senator Dodds is looking for reasons that are related to loan defaults if Car Companies
when BK .

 
Comment by MacAttack
2008-11-18 15:25:49

Charlotte McAmway’s out of customers. Oh dear. The Pacific Northwest ISN’T special after all. Oregon and Washington just had the biggest one-month spike in unemployment in many years (1980, I believe).
Funny thing is, out where I live, along Hwy. 99W in Sherwood (Portland suburb) - another 150 condos are going up - all at once. That one, I don’t get.

Comment by In Colorado
2008-11-18 16:02:49

Its as others have said, the builder boys only know how to do one thing: build.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-11-18 17:14:11

They just broke ground on, you guessed it, condos in downtown Olympia. Methinks it will end badly.

 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2008-11-18 16:05:13

“have you opened your 401K statement lately?’”

Yes, and I picked the wrong week to stop drinking.

Comment by Lesser Fool
2008-11-18 16:46:36

I did, yesterday. It told me I had a personal rate of return for the year of 1.7%. Sure beats my -30% return in oil stocks in a taxable account.

At the moment my 401K is 95% money market and 5% company stock. I dodged a bullet by selling out of my international fund about a year ago.

Thanks to various put positions in financial/RE stocks, my overall rate of return for the year is about 4%.

Unfortunately I throw real cash away every month in rent ..

Comment by dude
2008-11-18 17:37:29

You should go over to the dark side and be a squatter!

Only fools pay rent. 18 days and counting…

 
Comment by Dr. Strangelove
2008-11-18 17:48:12

“Unfortunately I throw real cash away every month in rent ..”

Silly renter…To think you could’ve bought in 06′ and made a killing in increased equity…oh, wait… :-)

DOC

 
Comment by Vermontergal
2008-11-18 19:28:02

Unfortunately I throw real cash away every month in rent ..

I’m not sure if you are serious or not, so non-peppy lecture follows. ;)

You throw real cash away, too, when you own. Remember that without the equivalent of “Save Our Homes” and/or property tax rebates, seniors who own their homes free and clear probably would be unable to afford them on SS alone. Even then, most struggle to maintain their homes unless they have additional savings.

I agree that paid off housing (or owning investments that pay your rent) a cornerstone of retirement planning. However, a shelter is more like the need to eat or clothing than something you “finish” with. You will always need to pay for shelter on some level as long as you continue to live.

 
Comment by milkcrate
2008-11-18 20:40:16

I was the larger fool holding refinery stocks down into this abyss.
Spouse, with a mattress approach, overcame the loss.
Want that cap: Dude, Where’s My Bailout?

 
Comment by denquiry
2008-11-18 22:28:42

Unfortunately I throw real cash away every month in rent ..
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I got a real deal for you…only $19.95. It’s located in Oregon…in God’s country. See earlier post for all the info. cheers.

 
 
Comment by pismoclam
2008-11-18 23:20:01

I loved Sea Hunt with that line in Airplane!

 
 
Comment by BanteringBear
2008-11-18 17:11:27

“From Colorado to Oregon chalets stand empty, resort hotels are closing down and large developments are in jeopardy. These resorts were begun in happier times: Well-off Baby Boomers were looking for vacation homes.”

Bullsh!t! “Well-off Baby Boomers looking for vacation homes” was pure fantasy. Somehow, somewhere, someone drummed it up as a marketing gimmick, and it caught on like wildfire. I even heard a couple of people talk about these rich boomers. When I questioned if they in fact knew any of them, they didn’t. Nobody did, unless it was some boomer looking to flip a property for profit. What it all amounts to is that builders built 90% of their product for the top 1% of the population. How’s that working out, huh guys?

 
Comment by dude
2008-11-18 17:21:16

Steven Taggart, a Broker in Idaho Falls.

I know Steve, I went to high school with him. I’m glad to see he’s found honest work.

/snark off

 
Comment by SV_renter
2008-11-18 17:26:27

‘We’re talking doctors, lawyers, it’s not just your average renters anymore’ explained Laird. ‘It’s people you would think would have money, and they’re renting.’”

Some of us have a lot more money now *because* we’ve been renting.

 
Comment by dude
2008-11-18 17:38:44

Blevins said. ‘I have a Ph.D. in loss.’

I’m glad then, for my technical school certificate in gains, it beats the hell out of any degree or title in loss.

 
Comment by oskar
2008-11-18 18:18:43

“While a third of the nation rents, the economy could be pushing a different crowed towards the rental market. ‘We’re talking doctors, lawyers, it’s not just your average renters anymore’ explained Laird. ‘It’s people you would think would have money, and they’re renting.’”

This reminds me of an infomercial a few years back in which they were trying to sell condos at City Front Terrace in downtown san diego. So they are giving their whole spiel about the place and how great it is. Then comes the interviews with real residents when all of a sudden you hear “We have doctors and lawyers who live here, people you respect.” As though everyone else is a derelict one should eschew like the plague. Oh how the tides have turned.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-11-18 19:01:31

Why does he think they have the money in the first place? Last I checked, most people with money didn’t spend to get that wealth.

 
 
Comment by oskar
2008-11-18 18:30:07

“Henderson held a garage sale, took in a boarder and accepted any job he could get — including one as a caller for a collection agency — one of the few booming businesses these days. ‘Try going home and having calls from people trying to do the same thing to you,’ he said, noting the irony.”

Not irony, sweet justice maybe, but not irony. This was totally expected to everyone except for him. I think “hoisted by one’s own petard” would be more applicable. Someone in the art world should do a contemporary piece which would be a collection of collection agency’s calls. NYCityBoy would be perfect for such a task.

Comment by CrookCounty
2008-11-18 22:39:24

They’re causing legitimate businesses to lose money too. I used to have a Vonage land line. I finally got sick of all the spam debt collection calls for illegal immigrants who gave out false information including telephone numbers. Robot calls every day. Turned the ringer off. I searched every number that called for all calls and over 80% of the calls were pure spam. Why should I pay money to be annoyed and bothered with spam phone calls?

And there was so much of this garbage out there that without technology to block numbers from calling, every number for a land line out there is probably infected with it being the number of a previous deadbeat or a mistaken identity in a database of a collection agency. And you’re going to be spammed by owning that number as a landline.

Probably reason #3 that younger generations hardly use landlines. Those recycled phone numbers are toxic.

Comment by NoVa Sideliner
2008-11-19 12:17:48

…hardly use landlines. Those recycled phone numbers are toxic.

And what about recycled mobile numbers? If you’ve had yours for years, it’s probably not recycled, but what about getting a new number these days? Time will come when those are bad as well.

I like the setup one of my friends has at home. If you call him and know his “extension”, you key that in at the prompt, and his phone rings. For his wife’s “extension”, her phone rings. Anything else goes directly to the answering machine without even ringing. Cool.

 
 
 
Comment by clue
2008-11-18 18:32:38

serious cuts are about to get announced on a the State level here in Oregon. 10% unelmplyment is not far off.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-11-18 18:48:39

clue,

Hasn’t Oregon always had a high unemployment rate?

My parents, with all of us kids moved to Ashland in the mid 60s. We moved their to help my dad’s parents run a ranch. I remember my parents talking about how tough the job market was at that time.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-11-18 19:05:28

I think our UE rate is going even higher this time around. This bust is about to expose all the bozos who moved here with no jobs because they heard all the stories of how “progressive” Portland was, etc, then took a job in one of those boutique industries.

Peak Portland?

Comment by MacAttack
2008-11-19 16:06:39

Yes, we go in later, come out later, and go in deeper. I think this one’s going to be ugly. And my company will run out of funding next June - tough time to be raising money, too. Sigh.

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Comment by In Montana
2008-11-18 19:33:59

I remember that. My mother lived in Medford, Rogue River, Grants Pass etc and said lots of jobs in logging and mills were long gone. I remember an early ghost mall in one of those places - Medford?

 
Comment by uptown
2008-11-18 19:39:05

When I lived in CA, you could always tell when the job market was improving - by the sudden influx of cars with Oregon license plates.

 
Comment by clue
2008-11-18 21:06:32

I wasnt even alive in the mid 60’s.

tighten the belt, we got another leg down coming.

fortunately, the band aids being ripped off as I type.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-11-18 21:35:14

Gawd, all of the sudden I feel old. Okay, that lasted just a sec.

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Comment by Michael Viking
2008-11-18 22:11:36

As somebody alive in the 60s, I still feel like a kid! My grandparent’s generation is old.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-11-18 23:05:52

Me too Michael. I still feel like a kid. I only feel my age when someone reminds me they weren’t around during certain decades. However, the feeling like I said above lasts for a milisecond. :)

 
 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2008-11-18 21:24:11

arrg, their=there

 
 
Comment by Michael Viking
2008-11-18 22:14:15

Clue, do you have some insider info you could divulge?

Comment by denquiry
2008-11-19 03:50:29

Clue, do you have some insider info you could divulge.
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They say you gotta call Mark Cuban if you want insider info.

 
 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2008-11-18 19:09:09

“From Colorado to Oregon chalets stand empty, resort hotels are closing down and large developments are in jeopardy.”

My heart couldn’t be warmer after hearing this. And I don’t care who suffers for this to be the case.

Nature to chalets: “I’ll be taking back over from here…”

Comment by Vermontergal
2008-11-18 19:35:30

My heart couldn’t be warmer after hearing this.

Me too.

There’s nothing worse than taking a beautiful slice of wilderness and sticking a huge fippin building (or several) with every modern convenience (including satellite TV) and selling it off to people who don’t have time to visit. (Oh, they’ll visit once and maybe their friends..)

I like modern conveniences. I like Disney World and amusement parks, too.) But if you are going to visit what’s left of the lone places, learn how to a have an honest to god primitive experience and leave it the way you found it.

 
 
Comment by Matt_in_TX
2008-11-18 19:10:38

“Kathryn Tacke, an analyst for the state Department of Labor, said about 200 real estate agents have recently left the business in the Coeur d’Alene area alone. ”

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I was born in Coeur d’Alene, and would like to move back there. Beautiful forested foothills with real seasons, compared to living in a frying pan like Texas.

If they lose another 500 or so realtors, and I win the MegaMillion lottery, I might just be able to afford to live there and not work.

Comment by orangetabby
2008-11-19 08:05:10

I live in the Coeur d’ Alene area and could not be happier to hear this either! I know a friend from as far north as Bonner’s Ferry, Id (north of Sandpoint near the Canadian border) and the building craze finally metastasized to the point where HE was complaining about builders who had plans to subdivide lots up there. Ten acres plots, but still, we’re talking about virgin wilderness that they are converting for cash. Bastards. With the way things are going, I hope this has now become economically unfeasible and real nature can remain.

 
 
Comment by uptown
2008-11-18 19:35:37

Vacation homes are a terrible investment. Unless all the surrounding property is built out, new buyers would rather build their “cabin” from scratch. Not buy someone elses used dream home.

Once an area is built out, buyers tend to look for new places too vacation, that aren’t so crowded, too old fashioned, or just too expensive.

 
Comment by DennisN
2008-11-19 01:13:08

It looks like that guy who got fired and went nuts in Santa Clara was in fact a clone of Casey Serin….

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/18/BATK146S1Q.DTL

“Company officials said Wu had been fired for poor performance but declined to elaborate. He was arrested Saturday.

Records show that Wu and his wife, Jie Zheng Wu, went on a property-buying spree starting in 2004.

From June to October 2005, they bought two rental homes and five vacant lots for $526,000 in Hot Springs Village, a retirement community of nearly 15,000 people and nine golf courses. They took out at least $330,000 in bank loans to pay for the properties, records show.

The couple also bought at least five homes and six lots in Washington north of Portland, in the communities of Anderson Island, Vancouver and Ocean Shores. In California, they bought a modest home in Elk Grove (Sacramento County) and a bare lot near Lake Shastina in Siskiyou County.”

 
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