January 16, 2009

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 06:11:06

In a speech on Tuesday, Philadelphia Fed Bank president Charles Plosser publicly took issue with positions advocated by Fed chief Ben Bernanke.

In a breathtaking innovation in monetary policy, the Bernanke Fed since the fall has not only expanded its balance sheet from $900 billion to well over $2 trillion in its efforts to restore the credit markets to health but has stopped offsetting the expanding bank reserves.

On the other hand, Plosser urged the Fed to “proceed with caution” with the new policy. Others outside the Fed are much more strident and want plans in place immediately to reverse it. They believe an inflation storm is already in train.

“It is a huge disagreement,” said Robert Brusca, chief economist at FAO Economics.

CATFIGHT!!!

MEOW?!?

Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 07:01:17

“…Others outside the Fed are much more strident and want plans in place immediately to reverse it. They believe an inflation storm is already in train….”

Whoo, whoo all aboard.

“I need a sign to let me know you’re here
All of these lines are being crossed over the atmosphere
I need to know that things are gonna look up
‘Cause I feel us drowning in a sea spilled from a cup

When there is no place safe and no safe place to put my head
When you feel the world shake from the words that are said

[Chorus:]
And I’m calling all angels
I’m calling all you angels

I won’t give up if you dont give up

I need a sign to let me know you’re here
‘Cause my TV set just keeps it all from being clear
I want a reason for the way things have to be
I need a hand to help build up some kind of hope inside of me

[Chorus]

When children have to play inside so they don’t disappear
And private eyes solve marriage lies cause we don’t talk for years
And football teams are kissing Queens
and losing sight of having dreams
In a world that what we want is only what we want until it’s ours”

Comment by qaxbami
2009-01-16 07:20:37

I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.
I do not think that they will sing to me.

We have lingered in the chambers of the sea
By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown
Till human voices wake us, and we drown.

Comment by B. Durbin
2009-01-16 11:00:58

“to greet the dawn with Hopkins
and the dusk with Eliot…”

Thank you for reminding me. Prufrock does have some lovely cadences to it.

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Comment by darrell_in_phx
2009-01-16 07:02:33

Inflation occurs when too much money is chasing too few goods.

You can hand $5 bazillion gazillion megazilion dollars to the richest 5000 people in the world, and it is impossible for those 5000 people to use all the oil, all the food, all the cheap chinese crap.

What are the bazillion gazillion megazillionaires actually going to do with all the money? Loan it to the little people that can’t pay it back? Oh heck no. They were more than happy to lend OTHER peoples’ money to people that can’t pay it back, but not their own.

Are they going to use it to start businesses and buy more goods? We already have too much capacity and no customers have any money.

Are they going to use it to corner commodity markets and drive up prices?? Great, but eventually all those commodities have to be sold to someone, and the little people have no money. Any increase in commodity prices just results in further drops in demand, unwinding the commodity bubble.

For there to be inflation, they have to start getting the money into the hands of the little people. Problem… If they give us the money as a 1-time bonus, we just use it to pay down debts, taking away revenue the banks need to cover their losses on defaults.

There is only 1 solution…. WAGES!!! Oh, but we can’t get wage increases because for every worker here, there are 10 in Asia willing to do our job for 1/10th the wage (or less).

The model where we buy stuff from Asia, then borrow the money back, so we can buy more stuff, then borrow the money back, then buy… Is BROKEN. It ended when we exceeded our debt carrying capacity. Now it unwinds.

Comment by nhz
2009-01-16 07:23:32

keep in mind that in Europe (and China, and many other nations) wages ARE rising, even at the highest rate in 20 years or so. Inflation is definitely in the cards, even if wages in the US are going down.

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2009-01-16 08:02:02

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Comment by nhz
2009-01-16 09:31:20

even the official Dutch lotteries are a pain in the a**.

I once had to cancel my bankaccount to get rid of one of them, who stated that I had given permission by phone for taking part in their monthly lottery drawings. After half a year I found out that they (illegaly) got my address/account details from another company in the same building, and that thousands of other people had the same problem. Still the bank refused to give my money back, and did nothing more than investigate the problem forever. Of course, a national lottery most be one of their biggest customers :(

I can’t imagine how bad it must be to deal with these scam agents …

 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-01-16 10:28:32

Exactly.

Eventually, there will be one world wage, one world standard of living, etc. It will suck, but that was the goal all along via “globalization.”

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Comment by In Colorado
2009-01-16 10:39:13

Bingo. Who wants to bet that the “temporary” 10% wages cuts that are popping up like wild fires will become permanent and that the “temporary” cancellation of 401(k) matches will also be permanent.

This in part is why I think so mant were willing to let GM and Chrysler die. In the near future the little people won’t be buying cars or trucks.

 
Comment by Garrett
2009-01-16 12:22:58

DING DING DING! EXACTLY!

 
Comment by robin
2009-01-16 21:29:44

Survival of the fittest? NOT!!

 
 
Comment by Kirisdad
2009-01-16 11:05:11

I know wages are rising in europe. Asia’s wages are rising, but what are they rising from? who’s going to buy european goods at the inflated prices coming from inflated wages? If the unions keep running the economy over there, europe will fall off a cliff.

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Comment by nhz
2009-01-16 12:55:13

yes, totally agree. EU workers and unions think they are lucky they get away with this; guess they will learn the hard way in a few years. The mass layoffs are already starting while wages are rising strongly …

 
 
 
Comment by qaxbami
2009-01-16 07:30:19

Great post. Some say the housing bubble will bottom out when house prices fall to the point where they are in line with wages. But if wages also keep declining through unemployment, less hours, etc., it becomes a snake eating its own tail. The way out is the way in.

Comment by polly
2009-01-16 10:10:06

Same thing as the P/E ratio method for deciding when to go long this market (long term, I know the active traders around here have their own methods). A good P/E ratio won’t look good when the E goes down…again.

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Comment by robin
2009-01-16 21:40:04

Friend of mine who is a Certified Financial Planner thinks 13 is the target P/E. I pointed out that at an 8% theoretical yield, the stock market wins. Treasuries are around 2% and he felt that municipal bonds, though currently high in (possible) yield, are the place to go. I think most bonds are dead in the water.

What do sharper minds think???

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-01-17 05:57:22

I wouldn’t touch municipal bonds with a ten-foot pole.

Prediction: municipal and state defaults are the BIG news in 2009 and 2010. Workers begin being paid in government scrip that can be exchanged for goods at government warehouses/stores. Also, the govt will take over homes through the GSEs and these workers will be able to exchange the scrip for this housing. Takes inventory off the market, and the workers get something in exchange for their labor = win/win, according to the PTB.

Just MHO.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-16 07:42:13

“What are the bazillion gazillion megazillionaires actually going to do with all the money?”

My guess: They will stuff it under a proverbial mattress and keep it there until the crash bottoms out and the real fire sales begin.

Comment by measton
2009-01-16 07:55:19

One clue as to when oil will turn around will be when I see companies like XOM take their large cash pile and buy up other companies. I see most with cash sitting on it. CEO’s want to maintain that salary.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-01-16 08:43:57

measton,

Another… great post. Unfortunately, that’s kind of how I see it as well. Darrell spoke, and spoke appropriately of “little people” and that’s why I think all of this talk of sitting on the sidelines and cash is king is kind of… well, silly?

George Soros could burn through what little “I” got in a weekend. Just how much bottom feeding will I be able to do even if gets to “can’t say no prices”? Hate to say it but doesn’t it make more sense to look for companies that -already- have stout cash positions and pool resources with them?

Standing by to get flamed.

 
 
Comment by BanteringBear
2009-01-16 11:22:04

“What are the bazillion gazillion megazillionaires actually going to do with all the money?”

“My guess: They will stuff it under a proverbial mattress and keep it there until the crash bottoms out and the real fire sales begin.”

You’re spot on, Professor. The rich are going to own the largest piece of the pie they ever have (even more than they do now). This is the greatest wealth transfer of all time. The top brass aren’t taking pay cuts. They’ll cut 30% of their work force, but they’ll continue down the road of greed and gluttony. This is the great sellout of the American citizen.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-16 22:04:25

“This is the greatest wealth transfer of all time. The top brass aren’t taking pay cuts. They’ll cut 30% of their work force, but they’ll continue down the road of greed and gluttony.”

The third worldization of America is going to play out on The Messiah™’s watch. Who’d a thunk?

 
Comment by ahansen
2009-01-17 00:46:26

The third worldization of America is going to play out on The Messiah™’s watch. Who’d a thunk?

Actually, if you’ve ever read the purported words of the Messiah as translated into the Christian Bible, this assessment is most appropriate.

 
 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-01-16 07:50:23

IMHO this is the difference between M3 and M0. I would argue that rather than buying up commodities the rich have mostly bought equitys. And after the dot-bomb that’s mostly been bidding up the prices for existing companies, rather than funding new ones through IPOs. And just like house prices, equity prices are pretty much a zero sum game. For every dollar somebody gets because the stock price has gone up, somebody else has paid an extra dollar for secure future dividends and appreciation.

This is why it is a mistake to use the DJI or the S&P as some sort of shorthand look at how the economy is doing. It’s more a measure of the degree of speculation in the system.

 
Comment by Muggy
2009-01-16 07:54:19

“The model where we buy stuff from Asia, then borrow the money back, so we can buy more stuff, then borrow the money back, then buy… Is BROKEN. ”

What do we want?! SALAD SHOOTERS!!!
When do we want it?! IN FOUR TO SIX WEEKS!!

What do we want?! SALAD SHOOTERS!!!
When do we want it?! IN FOUR TO SIX WEEKS!!

What do we want?! SALAD SHOOTERS!!!
When do we want it?! IN FOUR TO SIX WEEKS!!

Comment by palmetto
2009-01-16 07:59:00

Priceless!

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 08:15:44

Ok, that was coffee up the nose.

Dammit!!! :-D

 
 
Comment by packman
2009-01-16 08:54:29

What’s that from?

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Comment by Muggy
2009-01-16 09:57:20

It’s a combination of a few things:

1. Writer Kunstler, who outlines the absurdity of global trade via “salad shooter” or “3,000 mile caesar salad.”

2. 60’s protest chants

3. Estimated delivery time :smile:

 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-01-16 09:17:36

That was really funny, Muggy. Thanks.

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Comment by ahansen
2009-01-17 00:47:57

Oh SNORT!!!!

THAT was funny.

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Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 07:58:28

“Inflation occurs when too much money is chasing too few goods.”

Not quite true. Inflation is a monetary phenomena. Inflation is a rise in the general level of prices of goods and services in an economy over a period of time. Chasing hookers has little to do with it.

Comment by Al
2009-01-16 09:39:05

“Inflation is a rise in the general level of prices of goods and services in an economy over a period of time.”

Which is caused by too much money chasing too few goods.

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Comment by not a gator
2009-01-16 10:35:18

I realize the inflation versus inflation argument is kind of contentious, but I thought price inflation was what hoz just described and monetary inflation was the multiplication of money, either through printing, digging it up (16th century Spain), or creating debt (today’s fiatsco).

 
Comment by Al
2009-01-16 10:47:04

I’d agree with both of the definitions. The statement about too much money ties them together. As more money is created (too much money) and gets into the hands of people who are willing to spend it (actually chasing goods instead of being hoarded) it tends to bid the price of stuff up. This only works if not everyone can have all of their wants met (too few goods.)

 
Comment by Kirisdad
2009-01-16 11:13:35

Like housing, people bidding on sfr and condo’s (with cheap borrowed money) pushed prices beyond what wages could afford… Housing inflation.

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-01-17 06:03:45

Inflation could also be caused even if the money supply were held constant, but the supply of goods and services were cut, no?

Closing all those factories, warehouses, plowed-under crops, etc. result in “too few goods” in the long run.

No matter what the economy does, there will always be a need for certain goods and services. My bet is to buy those things at a low price when everyone is expecting deflation, because the price might go up as they become scarce over time.

 
 
Comment by barbarus
2009-01-16 21:23:36

“Inflation is a monetary phenomena”

hoz…. you?…..an Austrian???

I thought you were Svenske or something

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Comment by yensoy
2009-01-16 08:32:10

You’re on a roll darrell. I take it there will be tremendous inflation in Original Works Of Art (paintings and such), and Private Islands.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-01-16 12:24:46

If I was a super rich guy, I would have not only a private island, but also a private army…and a private harem…

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Comment by Muggy
2009-01-16 14:01:39

“If I was a super rich guy, I would have not only a private island, but also a private army…and a private harem…”

Bill, you don’t need to be rich. Just move to Texas, or some other place that is really hot, and start yelling weird things at people. Eventually you’ll have a private army and harem.

You might have to wait on the island, but at least prices are coming down :smile:

 
 
 
Comment by The Housing Wizard
2009-01-16 09:10:30

darrell …I couldn’t agree more with you . The model that was adapted by this economy during the last decade is a failure . You need wages to buy things and you need wages to pay debt . I guess the Market Makers thought that fake real estate prices with easy lending would foot the bill . Crazy scheme .

Comment by DinOR
2009-01-16 10:19:39

The Housing Wizard,

Who needs ‘real’ wages when your house just Zillowed for another $10k just this week? As long as we could MEW our way into big screens and koi ponds ( to facilitate further MEW Operations ) who the hell needs to fuss with asking the boss for a raise?

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Comment by Chip
2009-01-16 09:18:22

Darrell — great post.

 
 
Comment by packman
2009-01-16 07:13:22

“They believe an inflation storm is already in train.”

Gotta say - never heard that metaphor before.

Comment by hd74man
2009-01-16 09:16:55

RE: They believe an inflation storm is already in train.”

From the Nancy Pelosi & Barney Frank Dog and Pony Show $825 billion “Stimulus” package…(excludes the $350 bil from what’s already in the till.

Spending: $550 billion

Education-$159 billion…more monies down the special ed ratholes and higher ed ivory tower, onion skin bureaucracies.
Lotsa stimulus here.

Healthcare-$154.5…More monies to keep the living dead alive in their $83k per year Medicaid/Medicare reimbursed nursing homes and pay those $800.00 per month med bills ’cause you chose to smoke and eat like a pig all your life. Kinda like the “weakest link” government plan for a nuke attack. Elderly, children, and government workers into the blast shelter. All you producers wait outside and take your chances.

Infrastructure-$92 billion…Gotta take care of all that previously deferred maintenance because all the transport gaz tax monies got looted and sent down the welfare entitlement ratholes. More project’s like the Big Dig…10x over budget and constructed so shoddily it leaks like a sieve before it was even completed.

Unemployment, food stamps, and other public aid-$71.5 billion…to include retraining monies for all those unemployed Ohio former recreation vehicle line workers to become $20k per year social service workers employed to stand on street corners and hand out new needles to all the meth and heroin junkies. Big stimulus here.

TAX CUTS-$275 billion

Personal-$140billion…That $500.00 tax credit will make one whopping partial payment on a new $45k SUV! Lottsa stimulus here! Plus the 45% who pay no taxes get a $500 freebie to spend on more lotto tix and dope.

.
Business-$100 billion…WTF, since the welfare receipients are gettin’ $71 billion, might as well throw a bone to the producers of something.

Comment by not a gator
2009-01-16 10:37:37

clearly it’s going to be a bull market in coca products and pirated goods

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Comment by Carlos Cisco
2009-01-16 11:28:27

hd74….
Retraining unemployed Ohio workers has been the mantra of Washington pols after every election, downturn in the economy, free trade agreement, NAFTA, WTO for China…you name it. We’re immune to that kind of talk. For those of us who intend to stay in this state, about the only thing that we see changing our financial trend down would be something along the line of the fabled US breakup. We’d do some real housecleaning. There would be no market for cr@p from China; and no snowbird soup for Florida. Believe me, many of us here would welcome it. Financially, most of us remaining would be much better off. And, as far as housing, we probably wouldnt have to build another house for 50 years.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-16 07:40:00

FPSS or Hoz, could either of you please offer a concise explanation of how to interpret this chart?

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-01-16 08:04:38

PB - While looking at the chart I found this link:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/aggreg/RAMReconstruction.pdf
The paper was written back in 2003.

I found this passage on pp. 4-5 of the pdf file:

Milton Friedman’s proposition—“inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon”—does not depend on whether a monetary aggregate appears in the central bank’s policy reaction function. Rather, at least in the theoretical long-run when the effects of other shocks have played out, the inflation rate is determined by the growth rate of money because, absent such growth, the inflation could not continue.

It matters not at all in the long-run whether policymakers target interest rates or monetary aggregates for, so long as their actions permit the necessary increases in the central bank’s balance sheet, the inflation will follow.

Hence, observations on the monetary base may be important evidence useful to analysts seeking to understand the ex post, if not ex ante, effects of central bank actions.

 
Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 08:10:39

lmao

 
Comment by Muir
2009-01-16 08:43:47

Hey, that’s the same graph I posted (updated of course) and asked how this could not be inflationary last Nov.
There were great replies by all 3 of you and I was thankful.

Did anyone’s mind change recently?

 
Comment by Chip
2009-01-16 09:21:50

Looks like a Viagra meter.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-16 11:58:51

I guess they are trying to stimulate the banking sector?

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Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2009-01-16 10:20:23

Looks to me like a Sir Greenispent… inverted “box Index” :-)

Does this have any bearing on…”Work Productivity” ? ;-)

 
Comment by warlock
2009-01-16 14:10:00

The 5x increase occurred when the Fed started paying interest on the reserves held by the Banks.

Which i would imagine, is the safest return in town at the moment.

 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2009-01-16 06:11:12

Damn…. it’s about time. (rolling eyes) /jk

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 06:13:00

From Mike Larson…

Federal Home Loan Banks following Fannie,
Freddie, private banks over a cliff?

Unless you follow the banking industry closely, you probably haven’t heard of the Federal Home Loan Banks. But the FHLBs are vitally important as a source of funding for U.S. banks both large and small. There are 12 of them spread around the country — in Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Cincinnati, Dallas, Des Moines, Indianapolis, New York, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Seattle, and Topeka.

You’ve probably never heard of Federal Home Loan Banks. But after the federal government, they’re the biggest borrowers in the country!
FHLBs sell debt into the capital markets to raise money, using their AAA ratings to borrow cheaply. They use that money to make advances to banks that are members of the system and take collateral in exchange — often mortgages or mortgage-backed securities.

The banks use the money they get from the FHLB, along with cash raised elsewhere from their own debt sales and depositors, to make loans. The banks are required to own stock in the FHLBs, and that stock helps capitalize the regional FHLBs.

So what’s the problem?

The FHLBs own billions and billions of dollars worth of mortgage backed securities. Those securities have plunged in value. So just like their banking customers, FHLBs are facing potentially huge write-downs on their portfolios. They may also be losing money on derivatives they employ.

And that’s what is stressing the system.

Specifically:

The Seattle FHLB just warned that it may miss one of its capital targets. It may be barred from paying dividends on the stock member banks hold in it, potentially impacting those institutions counting on the money.

The San Francisco FHLB also said earlier this month that it was facing impairment charges, and that it wouldn’t pay a fourth-quarter dividend as a result.

Moody’s recently warned that eight out of the 12 FHLBs could ultimately face capital problems thanks to losses on their $76 billion of mortgage securities not backed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Now here’s where it gets really interesting: While many investors have never heard of the FHLBs, they collectively have roughly $1.25 trillion — with a “T” — in debt outstanding. That makes them the biggest borrowers in the U.S.— behind the federal government!

If you thought it was expensive to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (The Treasury has pledged to inject up to $200 billion in capital into the two of them), just you wait. Should the FHLBs need a bailout, there’s no telling how much it will cost!

Comment by combotechie
2009-01-16 07:15:23

$poof.

Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-16 10:45:36

As usual, very succinct — ROTFLMAO…..

 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-01-16 10:40:16

Gee… who could have guessed that lending people large amounts of money that they can never pay back could end poorly - I figured if a different government agency did it, it would suddenly work out fine! LMAO!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 06:21:42

The mere fact the Shelia Bair ‘down played’ the nationalization of lenders question means it’s not only on the table, it’s in the works!

U.S. ‘Bad Bank’ Plan Gets Momentum to Revive Lending…

Jan. 16 (Bloomberg) — Renewed questions about U.S. banks’ viability are pushing regulators toward a new plan that would remove toxic assets from bank balance sheets, in what may become the biggest effort yet to unfreeze lending.

President-elect Barack Obama’s advisers see an increasingly grave banking crisis and are considering proposals far more sweeping than any steps that have been taken so far, according to people who’ve discussed the outlook with them.

“They need to do something dramatic,” said Harvard University Professor Kenneth Rogoff, a former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund, and member of the Group of Thirty counselors on financial matters, a panel that includes Treasury Secretary-designate Timothy Geithner and Lawrence Summers, incoming director of the National Economic Council.

Federal Reserve officials are focusing on the option of setting up a so-called bad bank that would acquire hundreds of billions of dollars of troubled securities now held by lenders. That may allow banks to reduce write-offs, free up capital and begin to increase lending. Paul Miller, a bank analyst at Friedman Billings Ramsey & Co. in Arlington, Virginia, estimates that financial institutions need as much as $1.2 trillion in new aid.

Other steps that may be under consideration include providing further guarantees for toxic assets that remain on the banks’ books, as officials did for Citigroup Inc. in November and with a $118 billion backstop for Bank of America Corp. today, or purchasing selected investments. Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. Chairman Sheila Bair yesterday played down the alternative of nationalizing lenders.

Slump in Stocks

A move could come soon after Obama is sworn in on Jan. 20. Adding urgency to the deliberations is a deepening slide in financial shares. Citigroup yesterday sank below the level it reached when regulators mounted a rescue of the lender in November. Bank of America fell to an 18-year low as the company sought more aid from the government.

“A lot of the trouble in all this is that once you got into a financial mess, people don’t know where the bodies are buried,” Paul Krugman, the Princeton University professor who won this year’s Nobel Prize for economics, said in an interview with Bloomberg Radio. “People think ‘Who knows what I’m getting into?’” by lending or trading with others, he said.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 06:25:06

This Messiah™ thing is gonna be the biggest bust since the Hindenburg.

I, for one, can’t wait to rub it in. :-D

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-01-16 06:37:26

There’s a pattern here, and it does not reflect well on the electorate:

2002, 2004 - please uncle sam, do something, anything (terrorism)

2006, 2008 - please uncle sam, do something, anything (economy)

People like to see these as two distinct issue, but they are not. Sorry, but they are not.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 06:41:37

Sheeple be sheeple, what did you expect?

That’s why I heap scorn on the “abolish the Fed” revolutionaries.

Yeah, any day now, the sheeple will wake up. Yeah, right! :-D

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-01-16 06:51:00

I get ya, but it’s not about my expectations - it’s about their expectations.

You see, when my expectations are broken (which is increasingly rare BTW) I retreat to the Fotress of Solitude with drink and music to come up with a new plan.

When the sheeples’ expectations are broken, however, they do things like start wars, riot, or at least make life generally miserable for others.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 06:54:41

They won’t even get out of bed; they’ll take it in the @ss like they always have.

How many revolutions did you see during GD1? Wouldn’t that have been a logical time to revolt?

And you expect a difference during GD2 because … ?

 
Comment by packman
2009-01-16 06:57:29

“That’s why I heap scorn on the “abolish the Fed” revolutionaries.”

As someone who very much thinks the Fed should be abolished - I don’t understand your statement. The Fed is the result of the sheeple mentality.

What other option do you see for us getting out of this mess? (”This mess” being wider in scope than the current bubble crisis)

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 07:02:03

You miss my point. I think they should be abolished too. I bet you everyone on this blog thinks so too but, I for one, am not holding my breath.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-01-16 07:05:29

When was the last time that sheep started a war?

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-01-16 07:16:50

Abolish the FED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Comment by packman
2009-01-16 07:20:27

Yeah yeah. Perhaps we’re splitting hairs between the difference of what “should” happen vs. what “will” happen. I agree that it probably never will happen, at least anytime in the foreseeable future.

However one big difference between now and GD1. In GD1 the Fed was new and hadn’t yet been through a depression, so could claim they didn’t know how to “properly handle” a depression (i.e. apply Keynesian theory). Thus there wasn’t any reason to abolish the Fed - it hadn’t yet really failed.

This time around though we are applying it right up front in full force. If it fails, and we really do enter GD2 or worse - then I really do think there *may* be a strong move to either abolish the Fed, or at the very least discredit Keynesian theory.

One can hope.

(P.S. part of this is because I went to NCSU, and one of my heroes is “Never Give Up” Jimmy Valvano, who won a national championship against all odds. Thus my “packman” handle.)

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 07:28:31

Never Give Up?!?

LOL

You sure you’re not a closet Messiah™ freak?

Aah, hope, my favorite emotion like every other good short-seller.

 
Comment by In Montana
2009-01-16 07:30:09

if you abolish the Fed, you will still have a shadow fed with even less transparency ala JP Morgan

 
Comment by Kirisdad
2009-01-16 07:38:05

They riot over sports championships. Then they sue, when tear gassed. Years ago it was guns and batons. The populace isn’t afraid of reprisals anymore. I hope I’m wrong.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 07:39:23

If you abolish the Fed, you will still have a shadow fed with even less transparency ala JP Morgan.

Give this man a prize!

(Or the Rothschilds.)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-16 07:46:40

“…if you abolish the Fed, you will still have a shadow fed with even less transparency ala JP Morgan”

Would the Fed even work with glaznost? (I recall this was one of Dr. Bernanke’s many experiments, but I am not sure if it is still underway…)

 
Comment by exeter
2009-01-16 07:58:01

“if you abolish the Fed, you will still have a shadow fed with even less transparency ala JP Morgan”

As if there is a distinction…..

 
Comment by Al
2009-01-16 09:50:09

“then I really do think there *may* be a strong move to either abolish the Fed, or at the very least discredit Keynesian theory.”

Nothing that is happening right now will discredit Keynesian theory because the Fed wasn’t applying it. Since the Fed wasn’t paying down debt/building reserves during the good times, a better term like ‘Always-Make-Decisions-Based-On-Short-Term-Goalsian theory’ should be used.

 
Comment by In Montana
2009-01-16 09:50:46

Probably not, lol

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-01-16 10:06:41

(P.S. part of this is because I went to NCSU, and one of my heroes is “Never Give Up” Jimmy Valvano, who won a national championship against all odds. Thus my “packman” handle.)

Aha!

There is no basketball like ACC basketball, eh?

 
Comment by packman
2009-01-16 10:13:12

“Nothing that is happening right now will discredit Keynesian theory because the Fed wasn’t applying it. Since the Fed wasn’t paying down debt/building reserves during the good times, a better term like ‘Always-Make-Decisions-Based-On-Short-Term-Goalsian theory’ should be used.”

But (generalizing) the sheeple don’t care about policy during the good times, only about the reaction when the SHTF. Thus when you look at GD history, most of the focus is on how we handled the crash, not what caused the crash.

I’m not aware of Keynesian theory encouraging reserve saving during good times (could be wrong - if so link please), just that the general gist is strong government economic influence, including backstabbing backstopping.

 
Comment by Al
2009-01-16 10:38:13

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics

Third para under the heading “Active fiscal policy”, a little past a third of the way down the entry.

“Keynes’s theory suggested that active government policy could be effective in managing the economy. Rather than seeing unbalanced government budgets as wrong, Keynes advocated what has been called countercyclical fiscal policies, that is policies which acted against the tide of the business cycle: deficit spending when a nation’s economy suffers from recession or when recovery is long-delayed and unemployment is persistently high—and the suppression of inflation in boom times by either increasing taxes or cutting back on government outlays.”

It doesn’t actually say to pay debt or create surplusses, but the last line has a similar meaning. “Countercyclical fiscal policies” is a key feature too. Keynesian theory certainly does not say keep getting deeper and deeper into debt until there is no turning back, nor always pump more and more money into the system, though politicians would claim it does.

You’re right about the sheeple not caring about how we got into trouble, only what is done once trouble arrives. Personally though, I’d rather slow the bloody Titanic down and put enough lifeboats on her rather than figuring out the best way to lock the steerage down below.

 
Comment by not a gator
2009-01-16 10:49:05

link please? no, you, please. just look it up, for chrissakes.

yes, saving (and raising taxes!) during booms was part of the theory. the central bank was supposed to raise rates. this would slow down the flow of money and keep the economy from getting overheated.

keynes was responding to GD1, but the general theory of the central bank alone fiddling with interest rates to keep things on an even keel (and, it was widely believed by Americans before the creation of the Fed, to keep bankers rich and laborers in penury) had been around for centuries with the Bank of England. Keynes added gov’t policy to the mix.

kind of like communism, it relies on people cooperating and acting rationally with other people’s money when it’s really so much easier to let the good times roll. while some businesses and at one time some small towns and other democratic organizations were once run in this manner, hoarding cash during booms and spending during busts (hence the “rainy day fund”), thirty years of kleptocapitalism have wiped this practice (and the reasons for it) out of common memory.

 
Comment by Bub Diddley
2009-01-16 11:42:11

I’m not aware of Keynesian theory encouraging reserve saving during good times (could be wrong - if so link please), just that the general gist is strong government economic influence, including backstopping.

This is one of my pet peeves, and it seems to be coming up a lot in an effort to discredit Keynesianism. Labeling what we’ve been doing “Keynesianism” is inaccurate and is a straw man argument. Keynes favored government intervention in down cycles, yes, but also a pullback in government spending during “up” periods. But don’t take my word for it. At Wikipedia (chosen for ease and speed of access, not because it is the most definitive resource on the subject) you can find the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian#Active_fiscal_policy

Keynes advocated what has been called countercyclical fiscal policies, that is policies which acted against the tide of the business cycle: deficit spending when a nation’s economy suffers from recession or when recovery is long-delayed and unemployment is persistently high—and the suppression of inflation in boom times by either increasing taxes or cutting back on government outlays.

Keynes no doubt would have been horrified at the “all deficits, all the time” economic polices we’ve been operating under for the last 30 years or so. We could have had higher taxes and lower deficits during the boom of the last decade, but that would have required “cutting back on government outlays”, so instead we got an even bigger deficit. Now, to combat the recession we get…an EVEN BIGGER deficit!

This is not really Keynesianism, this is simply irresponsible government. Bi-partisan incompetence.

 
Comment by packman
2009-01-16 12:21:16

“There is no basketball like ACC basketball, eh?”

Indeed, but alas my alma mater has been - shall we say - sucking - for a long long time.

 
Comment by packman
2009-01-16 12:59:25

OK OK - apologies for my laziness on Keynesian theories - I did look at Wikipedian and searched on “reserve” and didn’t see anything mentioned - just didn’t read through thoroughly enough.

At any rate - I agree not a gator that one problem with Keynesian theory is that during the good times it is indeed hard for people to cut back spending (e.g. by raising rates), especially when the policies are enforced by the government. It assumes no undue influence by financial entities whose interests (i.e. profits) do not agree with this policy at the time.

Nonetheless we did raise rates (supposedly) in Keynesian fashion during the recent good times, however the debt bubble grew out of control anyhow. Keynesian policy was thrown a big curveball by The ARM (hey - that’s pretty funny) which allowed for massive debt growth without short-term interest-rate pain, and by all the other government policy changes that encouraged debt (things related to CRA, GSEs, CDSs etc).

In the end what I hope (there’s that word again) will come out of this is the general feeling by people that government and Federal Reserve financial intervention is generally a bad thing.

Just call me Lloyd - “So you’re telling me there’s a chance?”

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-01-16 13:17:27

Indeed, but alas my alma mater has been - shall we say - sucking - for a long long time.

Mine too, Packman, mine too.

(Sigh.)

 
Comment by packman
2009-01-16 14:34:15

Yours being? UVa maybe?

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-01-16 15:14:20

Yup, that’s right.

I have a fair number of Tarheels and Dukers to deal with in my family, too. So it can be a challenge.

 
Comment by packman
2009-01-16 21:41:45

I feel for you - I really do. Fortunately I come from a pure Wolfpack family. (Live in VA now though actually)

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2009-01-16 08:53:01

edgewaterjohn,

On a related note I can’t tell you frantically those in the securities arena were for the Fed to DO Something! ( anything? ) to re-ignite Cap. Ex. in the wake of the dot.com implosion. So it goes even further back.

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Comment by fisher
2009-01-16 15:15:46

Oddly enough, citizen opinion has been largely against these bailouts, according to every survey I’ve seen published, plus anecdotal data from the hate mail cascading into the offices of US Senators & Reps. You’d think these bast*rds would be gett’n mighty nervous…

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-01-16 06:39:24

At least Mrs. Messiah™ is building equity for America. I hear she spent $500,000 on the new set of dishes (apparently not Wedgewood).

Comment by polly
2009-01-16 06:47:40

The new dishes were picked/purchased by the Bushes.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-01-16 06:59:21

They picked and purchased the dishes for the next First family? Even more nonpartisan idiocy.

Apparently Nancy Regan did the same thing in the 80s. The wateful oppulance is amazing.

 
Comment by Blano
2009-01-16 07:01:53

The dishes were purchased by some foundation….the Bushes (or should I say Mrs. Bush) just picked it out.

 
Comment by Xenos
2009-01-16 07:41:26

and it took more than 6 years to make them all. I hope the Obamas like those dishes, because I will be pissed if new one get ordered after all this.

 
Comment by polly
2009-01-16 07:42:30

I think the set will be called the Bush china. It takes years for a new set of White House china to be chosen and made. Since it isn’t the sort of thing a brand new first family is likely to do (sends wrong message, etc.), it is pretty much guaranteed that the china won’t be ready until the end of the term. I think they mostly do it in second terms, so it is going to be right before the next guy takes over.

Just the way the system works.

 
Comment by samk
2009-01-16 08:22:45

“Apparently Nancy Regan did the same thing in the 80s. The wateful oppulance is amazing.”

As did Hillary in 2001.

 
Comment by Kim
2009-01-16 08:43:57

Has there been a president who hasn’t bought new china? I seem to remember touring the White House once upon a time and seeing plates from quite a number of past presidents.

 
Comment by samk
2009-01-16 08:58:32

“As did Hillary in 2001.”

Actually I think Hillary ordered the 200th anniversary in 2000. Mea culpa.

 
Comment by Skip
2009-01-16 10:11:10

Actually, Jimmy Carter did not purchase new china and got rid of the old stuff(remember when he told people to suck it up and wear a sweater?).

I remember a story about Reagan being furious that there were only “regular” dishes on Air Force 1. Nancy then got the ok to spend $200,000 on dishes. That was in 1981 money.

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-01-17 06:20:58

Jimmy Carter = one of the few U.S. presidents who actually had any integrity (and intelligence!).

 
 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 06:48:14

LOL

When the Messiah™ bust occurs, and it’s pretty much baked into the cake now, it’s gonna be super entertaining.

We’ve already had Richardson and Geithner and we haven’t even seen the inauguration yet.

I’m holding out for Rahm’s connections to Blagojevich. There’s no way there aren’t any.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-01-16 06:58:46

The local scuttlebutt is that when the incoming admin. and Blago couldn’t see eye to eye on the senate appointee, it was the former IL representative who had Blago arrested at his home.

Remember kids, CEOs and pols don’t usually get arrested at home in front of the cameras. Their lawyers bring them to court through the back door. Unless of course, someone really needs to make a big bold statement.

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-01-16 07:35:45

Wow, GREAT discourse today and brings up a lot of points I’ve been mulling over. I absolutely felt that Rahm hung Blago out to dry, but that Blago’s willing to fight because he could sing like a canary about Rahm.

 
Comment by polly
2009-01-16 08:02:56

There may be some connection, but it isn’t necessarily bad for Rahm. Obama and his people don’t like Blago now, but more importantly, they never have. He isn’t considered at their “level.”

Don’t underestimate the power of the playground - we don’t like him, he isn’t in OUR group.

It isn’t impossible. Nothing is impossible, but you can’t count on it.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-01-16 10:00:16

Polly, I’m in agreement with you.

Rahm is a pull-no-punches enforcer (like a goon for the old Philly Flyers), but I don’t think he has more than a perfunctory connection to Blagojevich.

Most non-Illinois observers have no idea how much Blago is universally disliked by everyone in our regional politics. Hell, his own father-in-law Dick Mell, one of Chicago’s most powerful alderman, “made” Rod and orchestrated his career for years, and those two had a falling out some time ago. Blago has enemies galore. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mell or one of his allies was behind the scenes diggin’ the grave.

 
Comment by Skip
2009-01-16 10:21:37

LOL FP - Were you really smittin with Governor Palin or is this sense of rage left over from the Clinton administration?

 
Comment by exeter
2009-01-16 10:49:42

ouch…. There is no question that FP isn’t part of the know-nothings still harping on the Clintons.

 
Comment by not a gator
2009-01-16 10:55:08

Skip, I don’t think this is a partisan thing.

Obama is more and more not looking like the right pick for a financial crisis, and that’s what we’ve got.

He and Clinton might smooth things over overseas, though. Staunching the bleed over there might eventually help us recover in the end.

To be fair, with the mess Bush has left us (er, well, “we”–though not me, I hasten to add, or really most people on this blog–were willing accomplices to the mess) even the greatest super-genius in the history of finance would end up looking like a fool.

 
 
Comment by Michael Fink
2009-01-16 07:05:42

Ugh. Pardon my stupidity, but doesn’t 500K seem a BIT high for a set of dishes? Perhaps I am still asleep, but.. Well, I think that might be the most insane thing I have ever heard. Economy going down like the Hindenburg, and the leaders are giving each other 500K gifts.. And dishes?

WTF?

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Comment by nhz
2009-01-16 07:27:25

expensive? I bet the dishes would be even more expensive if purchased for the US Iraq embassy :)

 
Comment by Kim
2009-01-16 08:52:23

“Pardon my stupidity, but doesn’t 500K seem a BIT high for a set of dishes?”

Yep. Even at high end, that would buy crystal and china service for about 1,000 ppl., which is a bit many to have over for dinner, even by White House standards. I suppose the high costs reflect the completely customized nature of the designs, but still…

 
Comment by polly
2009-01-16 09:01:22

It’s not a gift to the next family. The White House china is used for state dinners. It stays with the White House. I’m not sure how many place settings there are, but it is bound to be way more than any single family could want to store, never mind use.

Nancy R. got all sorts of garbage for ordering new china, but at that time, there had been enough breakage that no set was complete enough to actually host a state dinner with everyone eating off the same pattern. I don’t see the big deal about having one table at a state dinner have different plates than the other tables, but that is just me.

I don’t know why the Bushes got new china. I think Nancy’s china still has enough pieces for a state dinner and hers was red, which allows for plenty of color schemes. Seems silly. No, make that stupid. Should not order new china while nation is at war. The decision was made way before the recession, but we have been at war for a long, long time. Bad PR office. Bad.

 
Comment by Muir
2009-01-16 10:08:02

“but doesn’t 500K seem a BIT high for a set of dishes? ”

Play backgammon?

Diamond Edition £500,000 Backgammon For True Gamers

elitechoice.org/2008/04/11/diamond-edition-500000-backgammon-for-true-gamers/

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 10:12:56

Darn!

I love backgammon. You gotta play what you got not what you wished you had.

Thankfully, there are already two absurdly excellent computer programs to play against. :-D

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-01-16 10:13:23

Nancy’s china should have been all there unless Hillary was throwing things other than lamps.

 
Comment by Skip
2009-01-16 10:25:09

The dishes have gold on them and with gold ~800 oz it drives the price up.

 
Comment by Muir
2009-01-16 11:47:59

FPSS,
blade_runner at FIBS
rating as of 1:35 is 1872
High 1920 low 1840
I’m cheap and have GNU

 
 
 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2009-01-16 06:58:27

“…I, for one, can’t wait to rub it in.” :-)

Geez, 4000+ dead American GI’s and counting …can’t you give Cheney-Shrub at least 4 more days before you share to us your joy & glee At Obama as an already manifest… 48 hour failure? :-)

Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-01-16 09:05:48

Good point. Come to think of if, what are you going to do with yourself a few day’s hence? Withdrawal’s a bitch, better get ready.

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Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2009-01-16 09:48:17

Ha,
“TrueBeliever™” repubican’s are honing tool stones for Thanksgiving dinner with the family. This year I get to argue with them about: “the GOP being the American Party of fiscal responsibility” …amongst “other” things :-)

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 09:51:46

can’t you give Cheney-Shrub at least 4 more days before you share to us your joy & glee At Obama as an already manifest… 48 hour failure?

What can I say? I like to be ahead of the market.

LOL

 
Comment by B. Durbin
2009-01-16 11:16:01

I’m going to be laughing too, not because Obama “fails” (whatever that means) but because so very many people are already outraged and disappointed to find out that they elected…

… a politician.

Kinda reminds me of when Pope Benedict was chosen and people were horrified because he was Catholic.

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2009-01-16 09:06:14

hwy50,

http://murdoconline.net/archives/003564.html

As you can see broken down by Presidency there are military casualties under -any- President. Having served on both active duty and a current member of the Air Guard ( nice job to the LA Air Guard scrambling to expose Marcus Schrenker for the FRAUD that he IS btw ) I can tell you that in any given year, there are about the same number of fatalities.

Motorcycle accidents, ( drunk driving :( ) training accidents and aircraft mishaps. What saddens me is that there have been an almost equal number of recent suicides.

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Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2009-01-16 10:14:52

DinOR,
Well, I looked at it…however, I can’t see any American peace corps workers going over to Afghanistan / Iraq for re-construction projects outside “The Green Zone” and using that point of view to convince the relatives of 100,000+ ? dead Iraqi’s…”see your country let x10 Saudi Arabians fly airplanes into the WT and kill innocent people, more over your country had weapons of mass destruction and you also tried to kill Shrubs daddy. ;-(

 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2009-01-16 07:28:59

I must say, puddytat, I am of the same mind on this. I might just wear an O’Bama button and turn my pockets inside out and walk around with a shrug.

Comment by Xenos
2009-01-16 07:45:00

Ha! That sounds like the famous Elephant Walk as frequently performed by the North Adams State College Rugby Club back in the day. I will leave the rest of the elephants’ anatomy to your imagination.

If I recall correctly, there was a lot of beer involved.

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Comment by palmetto
2009-01-16 08:01:31

“there was a lot of beer involved.”

I likes me some beer from time to time.

 
Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 08:29:53

it is 5pm somewhere

 
Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-01-16 10:46:00

Beer is almost always involved in any rugby club activity.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-01-16 06:35:20

The market cap of S&P financials is now below 1$Trillion, probably less than “we” have given them already in freebies. They are worthless. It will take trillions more to keep these pigs aloft.

The biggest supporters of this government “for” the banks, Frank, Dodd, Obama and company are still at the wheel of the destroyer. When the book comes out, I hope the first chapter is about all the monies these hoods received as contributions from the banks that they are funneling vast amounts of gov’t funds back to.

Comment by Michael Fink
2009-01-16 07:17:32

That is staggering. We gave them 800B, and STILL they are worth under a trillion? That’s insanity. I’d like to know the “burn rate” at these financial companies!

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 08:43:49

It’s called “leverage”, and it kills.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-01-16 09:11:28

Well that’s true too but burn rate and leverage are (2) different things. I’ve seen my share of cash ( read alumni ) funded bio-techs “burn” through that cash before a viable “cure” could be brought to the market.

When combined? Deadly.

 
 
 
 
Comment by darrell_in_phx
2009-01-16 06:38:46

What is this “revive lending” thing???

Remember when wages, NOT access to debt, was the primary factor determining standard of living?

We increase consumer and household debt from $7 trillion to $25 trillion in only 15 years. Is more debt really what we need????

WAGES!!!!!!!!

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-01-16 06:45:00

That’s why I laughed the other day at that quaint article/post that said jobs were still consumer’s first source of liquidity.

For every commerical or ad related to finding a job (Monster, online colleges, etc.) there must be ten times as many for debt consolidation, foreclosure prevention, etc.

Comment by DinOR
2009-01-16 09:18:25

edgewaterjohn,

True, but I’ve also noted some delightful developments in advertising of late. I simply love the latest McDonald’s ( yes, McDonald’s ) spot with the two gals in what… obviously is intended to lampoon Starbucks.

“Have you heard Mc…Donald’s is now going to offer latte’s? Reeeally? ( Snubs ) WELL! At least we wouldn’t have to pretend we actually appreciate JAZZ all day! ( Both laugh )

I’ll bet you’ve noticed a much more down to earth approach lately as well.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-01-16 09:13:05

Remember? Vaguely. Refresh us.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 06:42:45

Dublin nationalises Anglo Irish Bank

By John Murray Brown in Dublin

Published: January 15 2009 20:12 | Last updated: January 16 2009 08:36

The Dublin government on Thursday night nationalised Anglo Irish Bank, the Irish Republic’s third largest lender, which has seen the collapse of its share price accelerate in recent days amid fresh reports of large-scale deposit withdrawals.

The move, announced by Brian Lenihan, finance minister, ends attempts to keep the bank in private ownership. It was prompted by fears that the bank could be declared insolvent, which would trigger a state’s guarantee and leave the government responsible for settling close to €100bn of liabilities, including €50bn of customer deposits and €20bn of wholesale deposits.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 06:24:27

The late John Maynard Keynes (died, 1946) is still misleading America’s leaders and the citizenry at large. He’s the guy who said it was fine to print money to bail out an economy. His basic theories of money and credit were long ago shot down by the likes of Frederich Hayek and Henry Hazlitt, but Mr. Obama is a Keynesian promising to give us a good dose of money creation in the belief the U.S. can print its way back to “prosperity”.

Batten your hatches. The Keynes method will keep us in the economic doldrums for a decade…or more!

The cost of living in the U.S. probably fell in December as the recession deepened, capping the first annual decline in a half century, economists predict today. CPI - First Annual Decrease Since 1954

(A little correction, here. Only twice since 1940 has the Consumer Price Index shown an annual decline…1949 and 1955. Think of it! Nearly 70 years of price inflation! Now, we’re entering an economic scene to which we’re unaccustomed. A deflationary depression. Unless, of course, Mr. Obama, the Congress, and the Federal Reserve succeed in igniting hyperinflation, which is widely expected but may not occur.

Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 07:18:45

Sorry
Not this month and certainly not next month. Core CPI up 1.6%, CPI up 0.1% The lowest rate of inflation in 50 years.

This is known as disinflation.

Comment by Chip
2009-01-16 09:40:48

Hoz - do you not think we’re headed there (deflation) soon, however temporary?

 
Comment by measton
2009-01-16 10:31:58

Hoz

What would the number show if they included housing and not rent equivalents????

Comment by not a gator
2009-01-16 10:59:58

and rents are next!

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Comment by Chip
2009-01-16 15:41:20

My rent is going down, I think by 20%!

 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-01-16 11:24:20

0.1% core CPI

Lowest number since 1954, when housing and other stuff we actually buy were included

We complained on the way up that this number does not include some really important stuff, like house price and gas and oil. We said this understated “inflation”.

On the way down, it will understate deflation.

I wonder if they will substitute steak for hanburger on the way down, so they can claim victory over deflation.

 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-01-16 10:53:40

And if they “suceed” in creating hyperinflation, they destroy the economy. Such decisions!

 
Comment by Al
2009-01-16 11:23:53

I made a similar comment on the weekend topics, but please don’t accept the politicians’ assertions that they are applying Keynesian policy. Keynesian theory involves taking action (fiscal and/or monetary) that runs countercyclical to business cycles. Thus you have to practice fiscal restraint during to good times instead of partying even harder. Politicians may claim that Keynesian theory supports their actions, but they claim alot of things that aren’t true.

How about this:
Batten your hatches. The politicians stupid actions in the name of Keynes will keep us in the economic doldrums for a decade…or more!

 
Comment by Bub Diddley
2009-01-16 11:45:53

This is not really Keynesianism. See my more detailed post above. Calling government policies Keynesian is a straw man argument. Keynes advocated temporary deficit spending in recessions, and paying off those deficits when times were good. We’ve been doing all of one, and none of the other. That ain’t really what Keynes had in mind.

 
 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2009-01-16 06:29:53

” financial institutions need as much as $1.2 trillion in new aid”
My suggestion, send every man, woman and child a $1 million dollar stimulus check. That’ll fix the problem.
1. Nobody will need to borrow anymore money, so we really don’t care if banks go under or not.
2. It will reverse the deflationary downward spiral abruptly.
3. Nobody with any sense will actually be saving the money, they will rush out and spend it as soon as possible.
4. Housing prices will not only stabelize, they’ll start booming again.
5. Sales of luxury cars and SUVs will boom, Detroit will be saved.
6. Happy days are here again..

What could be the potential downside? I have no idea…better go now, I hear helicopters coming.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 06:35:06

You won’t have a currency any more.

You won’t even have a country.

You think the military elite do what they do out of love of the republic? LOL

Comment by darrell_in_phx
2009-01-16 06:44:45

I think you need to get your sarcasm detector checked.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 06:50:27

Ditto!

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Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 06:46:00

I read a report a few days ago that stated the amount to be injected in the next 18 to 24 months will be closer to 3.8 trillion. Now where ‘they’ pull these numbers from I have no idea, but I’m guessing out of their azz.

Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 07:05:02

1.3 T + 2.5T = 3.8T no problem. But it is over the next 3 yrs. Who is gonna quibble over a few hundred Billions?

Comment by darrell_in_phx
2009-01-16 07:25:23

It is not like it is real money.

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Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 07:50:40

Unfortunately true.

 
Comment by Ernest
2009-01-16 08:05:34

What is this “real money” you speak of?

 
Comment by measton
2009-01-16 08:18:54

That 1 trillion wasted in Iraq sure would come in handy about now.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 08:23:49

Whisky, martinis and beer?

 
Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 08:37:44

I went to the liquor store yesterday to restock after the holidays.

Friggin rum has gone locally from $33 to $48 bottle over the last year! (Barbancourt Reserve du Domain) - I think the liquor store jacks up prices when they see me coming. The liquor store full employment, pay the owner’s vacation to Florida action.

 
Comment by Muir
2009-01-16 10:46:18

good rum

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-01-16 11:27:11

The price of Glenlivet looks OK to me when I buy it at the duty free, on the Canadian side!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-01-16 06:36:33

Wellington man sentenced in mortgage fraud scam

By RANDY DIAMOND

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Thursday, January 15, 2009

MIAMI — Orlando M. Gonzalez of Wellington was sentenced to 46 months in jail and ordered to pay $446,000 in restitution after he pleaded guilty to federal charges that he obtained more than $3.6 million in fraudulent mortgages and for identity theft, prosecutors said Thursday.

The 55-year-old Gonzalez, who was sentenced on Jan. 9, was charged with engaging in a scheme to obtain mortgages from lenders for a house in Wellington by using straw purchasers, and through the submission of phony documentation - including false loan applications and employment information, according to the U.s. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District in Miami.

Prosecutors said Gonzalez also stole the identity of one of the straw purchasers to obtain an American Express card account. He used the card to obtain cash, merchandise and services without the permission of the person whose name appeared on the card.

The restitution will be paid to National City Bank, American Express and the person whose identity was stolen, prosecutors said.

Gonzalez had previously pled guilty to charges of wire fraud, unlawful use of an access device and identity theft.

The four-count indictment charged Gonzalez with two counts of wire fraud involving one property and more than $3.6 million obtained in fraudulent mortgages in Wellington. Prosecutors said these fraudulent mortgages resulted in a loss of about $400,000 to National City Bank

Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 06:48:20

“ordered to pay $446,000 in restitution”

I would bet the restitution will never be paid.

 
Comment by Michael Fink
2009-01-16 07:11:52

You know, as much as I like to see the perp walk for these morons, there’s really a bigger issue here. I would guess that 25-50% of the MTGs made during the boom have some material fraudulent aspect; lying about income, lying about debt, lying about jobs, etc, etc, etc. I certainly support putting people away for this kind of transgression; they effectively stole money, just with a pen instead of a gun. However, there’s a much bigger issue here when you think about the number of people involved!

How can we have a system so flawed that a huge number of people in that system are corrupt/lying/stealing? That entire model needs to change; the corruption in the MTG market is just without parallel in modern times.

Do we really have the stones to pull a huge number of these people (otherwise law abiding) out of their “homes” and throw them in jail? I don’t think that we do. :(

Comment by darrell_in_phx
2009-01-16 07:29:39

Like fish, there is protection in groups. If every everyone is speeding, you’re less likely to get a ticket than if you are the only one. So, if you want to break a law, pick one that EVERYONE is breaking. They can’t put EVERYONE in jail.

Of course, not wise to be the biggest fish in the school either. Guess who they will target.

Comment by Michael Fink
2009-01-16 07:49:11

Yup, and that seems to be exactly their plan. Target the worst offenders, let the rest go. Frankly, this is SO prevelent (especially in the big bubble areas) that I’m not sure I agree with the technique. It just shows, if you only steal a little bit from the bank, or only lie a bit, you won’t get in trouble. I think that they should do something to EVERYONE who got involved in this. Even if it’s just sending them a tax bill for their stated income (W2 wages of 50K, stated income of 150K, you owe us taxes on 100K).

I know it won’t happen; but it should.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-01-16 09:25:28

Micheal Fink,

As reuven* takes pains to remind us, it wasn’t a Housing Bubble ( it was a Fraud Bubble )

Still I’d like to see more prosecutions. Had it not been for the “piling on” of Identity Theft, this guy probably would have walked.

 
Comment by reuven
2009-01-16 11:41:51

Actually, DinOR, I never thought of it exactly in these terms. It bothers me when the Media calls this a Housing Crisis when housing hasn’t been this affordable in 10 years, so I used to be content with it being called a Housing Bubble.

But a Fraud Bubble is a much more accurate term. That’s exactly what it was.

 
 
Comment by measton
2009-01-16 08:22:18

Not wise to be the slowest least politically connected fish.

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-16 08:39:45

Words of wisdom from a California Highway Patrol Officer while writing me a speeding ticket:

“Don’t be an individual. Stay with the group that is going over the speed limit.” :)

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Comment by packman
2009-01-16 08:59:57

Funny you should mention that. I had a CHP (traffic class - yeah I know) tell me that whenever he pulled someone over out of a group going the same speed, and the person asked “Why’d you pull me over and not everyone, or someone else?” the CHP would respond with “When a fisherman sinks his line into a pond - does he expect to catch ALL the fish?”

 
Comment by In Colorado
2009-01-16 12:04:33

Most likely he picks you because you seem to be the least likely to be dangerous.

 
 
Comment by reuven
2009-01-16 10:30:15

While I would love to see 2-3 million people who lied on their mortgage go to jail, it would be enough if they just exempted them from:

- Cramdowns
- Delayed Foreclosure
- Tax holidays for forgiven debt
- Ability to get debt discharged.
- etc.

A criminal conviction (with a suspended sentence so we don’t have to spend another trillion dollars housing and feeding them) would be icing on the cake.

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Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2009-01-16 12:07:58

I’d settle for a scarlet letter .

 
 
 
Comment by Chip
2009-01-16 09:45:08

Michael - as an aside, did you see the news this week that the number of Florida mortgage brokers who renewed their licenses for 2009 is less than half the number that were active in 2008?

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 06:36:57

C.Cards are bound to be a major problem, that we’ll need to ‘fix’.

“The worst of the economic situation is not yet behind us,” J.P. Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon told the FT yesterday. “It looks as if it will continue to deteriorate for most of 2009. In terms of our sector, we expect consumer loans and credit cards to continue to get worse.

”When we look back at industry excesses in areas such as highly leveraged lending and securitization, it is clear that some of these markets will never come back,” Dimon said. “In the next few years, the industry will go back to basics: serving individual and corporate customers as best as we can.”

Dimon said a credit card bubble might be the next to pop.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-01-16 06:40:24

Silly CEO, everyone knows some bubbles don’t ever pop.

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-01-16 15:40:26

kendra todd quote- I like it

 
 
Comment by darrell_in_phx
2009-01-16 06:47:17

Does he count the commercial r/e bubble already popped? I think that will hit the fan before credit cards.

 
Comment by qaxbami
2009-01-16 07:12:14

I’m forever blowing bubbles,
pretty bubbles in the air,
they fly so high, nearly reach the sky
then like my dreams they fade and die.
Fortunes always hiding,
I’ve looked everywhere,
I’m forever blowing bubbles,
pretty bubbles in the air!

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-16 08:41:46

One even better:

Tiny bubbles (tiny bubbles)
In the wine (in the wine)
Make me happy (make me happy)
Make me feel fine (make me feel fine)

Tiny bubbles (tiny bubbles)
Make me warm all over
With a feeling that I’m gonna
Love you till the end of time…

 
 
Comment by SV guy
2009-01-16 09:58:51

“Dimon said a credit card bubble might be the next to pop.”

I love my COF puts more with each passing day.

Mike

 
 
Comment by NoVa RE Supernova
2009-01-16 06:59:16

http://www.larouchepub.com/hzl/2009/3601financial_system_swindle.html

Is the whole world financial system one big Madoff swindle?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 07:30:30

It always was. Did you just get the memo?

 
Comment by Chip
2009-01-16 09:51:05

Man, this stuff makes me nervous. It’s been fun to be in all-cash for a few years, but my stomach does back flips thinking about the worst-case outcome of all this.

Comment by Muggy
2009-01-16 10:03:38

“my stomach does back flips thinking about the worst-case outcome of all this.”

Me too. This is one point I repeat often here: cheap boat, sure, stabbing for rice? Not so much…

 
Comment by Chip
2009-01-16 15:40:00

Cancel that. This is the Lyndon LaRouche family. Very very left and very unusual politics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_Larouche

 
 
Comment by BanteringBear
2009-01-16 13:42:21

I particularly liked this paragraph:

“As this article, and the uproar around its publication, made clear, all participants were well aware of the risks involved in their casino speculation, and that they had something to hide. It also proves that the whole “surprise” over the financial crisis has been at least partially feigned, and that the “amazement” over the machinations of the bad special purpose entities (SPEs) which were thought to be above all suspicion, was either a medically rare case of collective Alzheimer’s disease, or else a flat-out lie. In any case, the same article reported that already, since 2000, the KfW had been working on transferring risks by shunting them into SPEs, to the tune of Eur28.7 million.”

I’m really getting tired of hearing all of the insiders professing their “shock” at the current situation.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 07:02:31

WellPoint to Cut 1,500 Positions to Lower Operating Expenses

By Brad Skillman

Jan. 16 (Bloomberg) — WellPoint Inc. said it’s cutting 1,500 jobs, including more than 900 open positions.

The job cuts will result in a fourth-quarter aftertax charge of about $24 million, the company said today in a PR Newswire statement.
Last Updated: January 16, 2009 08:03 EST

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-01-16 07:05:44

How low can they go?
When shipping from Asia to Europe, evidently ZERO is the answer:

“Shipping rates hit zero as trade sinks”

Freight rates for containers shipped from Asia to Europe have fallen to zero for the first time since records began, underscoring the dramatic collapse in trade since the world economy buckled in October.

link: http://tinyurl.com/79pnfp

“Industry sources said they have never seen rates fall so low. “This is a whole new ball game,” said one trader.

The Baltic Dry Index (BDI) which measures freight rates for bulk commodities such as iron ore and grains crashed several months ago, falling 96pc. The BDI – though a useful early-warning index – is highly volatile and exaggerates apparent ups and downs in trade. However, the latest phase of the shipping crisis is different. It has spread to core trade of finished industrial goods, the lifeblood of the world economy.”

Maybe the Fed can try to prop up housing prices
AND entire segments of world trade by throwing trillions of dollars down a rat hole, ya think???

Is “down 96 per cent” indicative of a trend?

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-01-16 07:28:23

“Is “down 96 per cent” indicative of a trend?”

“It’s merely a fleshwound”

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 07:34:50

Yeah, and that must REALLY be inflationary. REALLY.

They’re willing to ship all the way across the globe for zero. How could it NOT be inflationary, one wonders?

 
 
Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 07:29:59

Ancient history

BDI is up 35% today from its Nov low. $12,000/day.

Mr Ambrose Evans-Pritchard is almost a perfect fade.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 07:36:44

Everything is a good trade off of zero.

But I do agree with you on the Ambrose.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-16 07:59:22

“Everything is a good trade off of zero.”

Some zeros remain at a permanently low plateau.

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 08:06:23

Touché.

 
Comment by The Middling Lebowski
2009-01-16 16:02:31

Hey, I resemble that!

 
 
 
Comment by darrell_in_phx
2009-01-16 07:49:36

I’m reminded of an M&M commercial where the M’s go into bosses office and demand a raise.

Boss, “How much do you make now?”

Red, “Nothing.”

Boss, “Great, I’ll double it.”

Red and Yellow walk out of the office very happy, the door closes, and suddenly they get this, “Hey, wait a minute” look.

 
 
Comment by Chip
2009-01-16 10:16:58

Is this the equivalent of a free trip in a rental car if you return it to the place the company wants it to be? In other words, does this zero rate mean that someone wants a container moved or returned to someplace else and is subsidizing the cost of getting it there? If not, guess I don’t understand it at all (not that I’m into this stuff).

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 07:06:10

Obamamania May Be Investor Nightmare: Michael Sesit (Update1)

Commentary by Michael R. Sesit

Jan. 16 (Bloomberg) — Can the Obama effect last?

The U.S. president-elect is so admired, engenders such high aspirations and is such a wellspring of hope that no one could meet these expectations. That’s bad news for financial markets.

Barack Obama is four days from entering the White House with more at stake than any president since Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

So far, markets are betting that he will succeed. The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index has rallied 12 percent since Nov. 20. And from 2.06 percent on Dec. 30, the yield on the 10-year U.S. Treasury bond has risen to 2.20 percent, suggesting the flight-to-safety trade has abated somewhat. Meanwhile, the dollar has advanced 9.7 percent against the euro since mid- December.

The make-up of Obama’s economic team was leaked to the press on Nov. 21 and formally revealed a few days later.

The group is impressive. Federal Reserve Bank of New York President Timothy Geithner was designated to be the new Treasury secretary. Lawrence Summers, former Treasury secretary in Bill Clinton’s administration, was tapped to head the National Economic Council, with the smart money betting he’ll take over the Federal Reserve in 2010. And Paul Volcker, a highly respected former Fed chairman, was named to head an economic advisory board.

Optimism surrounding the appointments was so high that the S&P 500 wracked up its biggest four-day rally since 1933.

The euphoria may be overdone.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-01-16 07:32:15

Unfortunately for him, Obama is not the next Franklin Delano Roosevelt. He is the next Herbert Hoover.

Timing sucks.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 07:41:06

Timing is everything in both money and sex.

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2009-01-16 07:45:49

That’s a short list. :-)

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 09:39:43

It’s also the most important list.

Along with food and booze. :-D

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-01-16 12:32:55

My list has booze, food, and women, and not necessarily in that order.

 
 
Comment by polly
2009-01-16 07:49:08

And politics.

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Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 07:49:17

Size and staying ability also!

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 07:58:17

Timing trumps both of those babies cold!

 
Comment by Blano
2009-01-16 07:59:34

Not when they only want to be friends.

 
 
Comment by bluprint
2009-01-16 07:59:52

Did you have your extra-special reserve coffee this morning or something? You’re on fire today…

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Comment by Jim A.
2009-01-16 08:02:36

I don’t think that it’s timing so much as allowing the customers (voters) to project their dreams, wishes, and hopes on the product (candidate). That’s why it’s so difficult to nail down candidates on the specifics; why their speeches consist mainly of generalities and feel-good rhetoric.

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-16 08:08:31

And a willing partner ;)

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Comment by Blano
2009-01-16 08:32:13

Ready when you are.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-16 08:55:56

LOL

 
 
 
 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2009-01-16 07:39:09

Let’s see was this before or after Obamamania? ;-)

Cheney-Shrub…as of today 1/16/09…America is still reaping the rich rewards of the GOP Sha-Zam Islam-is-now-Democracy Doctrine…the ripening fruit of 8 years of being “The Deciders” :-)

“Chaos,” “disarray,” “unprecedented political wrangling,” Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson on bended knee pleading for a lifeline, and President George W. Bush warning, “if money isn’t loosened up, this sucker could go down.”

 
Comment by measton
2009-01-16 08:33:19

I don’t think the euphoria for most related to a belief that there will be an instant reversal of the bad economy. I think for most the euphoria was the belief that we will have a gov that is less likely to trash the constitution, or blow huge wads of cash on unsupported wars against the wrong enemy. One that will use the power of gov to prevent corporations from raping the average citizen. One that will allow the top 0.1% to pay a lower effective tax rate than the rest of the top 20%. One that realizes that oil money finances our enemies and will do something meaningfull to reduce our consumption and waste. One that appoints people with experience over political donors so we don’t get another Katrina failure.

I find it hard to believe that Obama will be worse than G on these fronts. I guess we’ll have to wait and see. I’m not willing to hang him or given a gold medal before he has even taken office.

Comment by qaxbami
2009-01-16 09:42:52

Fair enough.

 
Comment by Chip
2009-01-16 10:24:47

“I’m not willing to hang him or given a gold medal before he has even taken office.”

Well said.

 
Comment by not a gator
2009-01-16 11:08:44

I’m worried about the influence Pelosi and Schumer have right now. They are scum. Look at some of these plans being floated–funny money to sell your big car back to the gov’t so you can buy some more Detroit Iron? I mean, come on.

I don’t usually agree with hd74man, but he’s right. Their proposed stimulus spending is highly partisan and reckless to boot.

We need a reality-based administration!

(note: not a republican–for a panoply of reasons–but where are the old tightwad democrats of yore?)

Comment by Zhang Fei
2009-01-19 14:30:56

where are the old tightwad democrats of yore?

What tightwad Democrats? Where have you been for the last 100 years?

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Comment by polly
2009-01-16 07:13:34

To all public transportation watchers, the situation in DC should be epic this weekend, but especially Tuesday. The DC Metro system has only two tracks, so if there is a track problem or train with mechanical problems (or even a train with a sick passenger), they have to go to single tracking (let a few trains go around problem in one direction while stopping all of them in the other direction, same thing for other side, repeat - can easily add 20 to 30 minutes to a trip and that is on weekend volume.

Metro is planning to run rush hour service all day, from 4:00 AM to well after midnight (normal shut down time) on Tuesday. Running 8 car trains (normal is 6 cars though the platforms are built for 8) as often as they have the cars available, and of course, a few extra people on board.

Folks who have lived here longer than I are predicting complete system failure. We have been warned (officially) that it may be very difficult to get into the city on Wednesday.

Please note, this is in no way a general dis on public transportation which I generally love and use even when I don’t love it. But Metro is very badly designed (someone told me they decided to skip or at least minimize expansion joints in the tracks because they make the ride noisy) and not run particularly well, and definitely mostly meant to be for commuters. It also doesn’t work well unless ALL of it works well. For example, some of the stations are very very far underground, so that it becomes nearly unusable when the escalators are out of service (a lot). It may have met its match in this event.

Comment by Jim A.
2009-01-16 08:09:29

Darned automatic emoticons….

Of course one difficulty will be that to run all those eight car trains they’ll have to use some of their oldest, least reliable rolling stock. And there’s a good chance that out of towners unfamiliar with the system will try to block the doors and therby break them.

My problem is “where will all those people park?” Since I live within walking distance of the Greenbelt Station, I’m not planning on leaving the house Tuesday.

Comment by polly
2009-01-16 08:39:09

Walking distance to Twinbrook, but same here. Staying home. There is already a sign on my building’s parking garage (part reserved for residents and part for the local retail) that there is no parking for inauguration, and violators will be towed. Exactly how they plan to figure out who is trying to fight their way to the inauguation and who is in one of the 20 stores that share the local retail space is beyond me.

Hey, I have a guest parking pass that the main office has let me keep. Wonder if I could rent it out for the day….

 
Comment by polly
2009-01-16 09:17:38

Jim,

You have have to leave the house to keep the cars from parking on your front lawn…Just saying…

Comment by Jim A.
2009-01-16 10:04:43

Why prevent it when you can charge for it?

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Comment by polly
2009-01-16 08:09:31

the little sunglass guy was supposed to be “8″ followed by “)”

Forgot that was a character.

 
Comment by yensoy
2009-01-16 08:55:48

My wife used to joke with friends that they should build a new “T” line for out-of-towners and Tourists. Mainly because they would standforever in front of the farecard machines (do they still have farecards?) figuring out which button to press next. Repeat that 6 times for the entire family.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-01-16 10:28:50

The SECOND time you use a farecard machine it’s pretty easy. But using up and down buttons to select the value of the card is pure idiocy. And the instructions posted on the machine are as clear as you know what.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-01-16 10:46:48

And where they can stand on the left, blocking the escalators to their heart’s content…

Comment by not a gator
2009-01-16 11:21:42

I think in Europe they have signs posted telling you which side of the escalator to stand on, but I believe in the US such signs would open the agency up to some serious lawsuits.

Anyway, that’s why all-day passes on Metro aren’t good until AFTER 9AM. Keeps the day trippers out of the commuters’ hair.

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Comment by polly
2009-01-16 13:28:09

Except they are thinking of shutting down the down escalators to prevent them from forcing people down onto platforms that are already over crowded. As annoying at this will be for people with bad knees, it is probablly the smartest thing I have heard the Metro people do. If you don’t do it, you could literally have the down escalators dumping so many people on a platform (that is never emptied because all the trains are full when they arrive) that people are forced off the platforms onto the tracks.

If I were going to go, I would walk to my local station, get on a train going away from downtown to the end of the line and try to stay on the train out there do the double back. I’m not doing it, but that is what I would try if I were.

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Comment by polly
2009-01-16 10:58:02

Oh, I don’t even want to get into the problems with people trying to figure out the fare card machines. DC’s is actually pretty complicated for a system that is just supposed to take your money and either add that money to a sturdy, resusable plastic card or spit out a flimsy cardboard card. Most tourists get completely confused just seeing those of us who live here use the sturdy cards (press on top of a sensor) and can’t figure out why their flimsy cards (insert in a slot and get spit out another slot) don’t work that way.

Comment by not a gator
2009-01-16 11:19:50

hahahah!! no, what’s REALLY funny is watching them try to use the wide turnstiles (necessary when you have large luggace). They are actually W/C accessible turnstiles, and it spits the card back at you. Gets ‘em every time!

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Comment by Chip
2009-01-16 10:41:51

Youtube should be loaded with good clips of all this. Can’t wait to watch them. There isn’t any money that would get me within 500 miles of D.C. next week.

Comment by polly
2009-01-16 11:02:32

I heard some people predit that all the cell phones will take down the wireless networks too, at least in the area of the Mall. Of course, they said iphones, because they were cool DC insiders and everyone they know has an iphone, but the general idea still holds….

Comment by Jim A.
2009-01-16 11:15:03

Well arguably a small part of THAT problem is the billing practices of the cell-phone companies. Texting uses VASTLY less bandwith than voice or images, but is not priced that way. So people tend to overconsume capacity.

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Comment by not a gator
2009-01-16 11:25:03

If all the chatter two months ago about crashing in DC is for real, I expect to see thousands walking from the Eastern Capitol/Eastern Market, SW M St and Georgetown neighborhoods.

Tacoma Park will probably take early Metrobuses or attempt to take red line (which will already be full by Grosvenor).

Anacostia may be sitting pretty with the green line to L’Enfant Plaza. Who’s going to fight them to get on board?

Comment by polly
2009-01-16 13:21:09

Think you mean Bethesda. People’s Republic of Takoma Park is at the other end of the red line - the part that will be full by Silver Spring.

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Comment by not a gator
2009-01-16 11:17:25

+10 polly

I used to work in public transit in the DC area (but not for WMATA–worked WITH them, though!) and you are 100% correct.

This is the #1 reason I did not go to the inauguration.

Clinton’s first inauguration set a record of 600k, which later became regular weekday ridership (though with more track miles), Bush’s 2004 set the last record (kinda shocking–I mean, it was the second one!). This one will severely test the system, which is already in bad shape. Nothing in the system has lasted as long as it was supposed to. (It’s also the most ugly, soul-crushing, disorienting subway in the world.)

Metro combined multiple lines on the same tracks to save money, but by 2000 it was clear that this creates a capacity bottleneck. To pile it on, Metro operates on a paradigm of feeding all bus traffic into the nearest Metro station (rather than offering direct bus service).

I pity the fool… Expect to see those ‘in the know’ setting up tents and heaters Monday night on the Mall (providing Park police allow it).

Comment by Jim A.
2009-01-16 12:16:46

They had a proposal a few years ago to split the blue and orange lines downtown, but really there was a 0.0% chance of getting funding so THAT was never going to happen. They MIGHT eventually get funding for walkways between the Farragut stations and between Metro Center and Gallery Place. These would effectively allow many people to transfer once instead of twice.

 
Comment by polly
2009-01-16 17:18:37

No “structures” on the mall. Supposedly this does not forbid chairs, but does forbid tents. Expect over enthusiastic security to have missed the announcement that chairs are OK.

 
 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-16 07:14:43

Jan. 16 (Bloomberg) — International demand for long-term U.S. financial assets fell in November as foreign investors sold Treasury, agency and corporate debt, a government report showed.

Total net sales of long-term equities, notes and bonds totaled $21.7 billion, compared with selling of a revised $400 million in October, the Treasury said today in Washington. Including short-term securities such as stock swaps, foreigners bought a net $56.8 billion, compared with net buying of $260.6 the previous month.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 07:18:41

There’s gonna be a final shorting opportunity coming up very soon.

These things never end until the PE multiples are single digits, and that E is gonna be dropping pretty steeply too.

I’m guessing it’s gonna be like 2002; the slow ride into hell.

Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-16 07:55:17

Looks like we had some early stimulus profit taking. If we don’t get back up above 943.85, the rising wedge reversal will confirm. Staying below its rising trend line will be even stronger evidence. After looking into the abyss yet again, some participants might be eager to cash in as we head back up. Of course, we could also blow pass 943 and beyond to 1005′ish.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 08:56:03

The latter is my guess but take it with a mountain of salt.

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Comment by exeter
2009-01-16 08:04:14

“International demand for long-term U.S. financial assets fell in November as foreign investors sold Treasury, agency and corporate debt, a government report showed.”

Where’s my yield?

Comment by Chip
2009-01-16 10:55:35

Didn’t Swiss Banks (originally, if not still) charge high rollers for “storing” their funds? Or is that a Snopes fairy tale? With all that is going on, I wouldn’t be shocked to see negative yield on the safest stuff, though that begs the question of what is safe.

 
 
 
Comment by MidnightSunshine
2009-01-16 07:22:25

Boy, the Obama-hysteria seems to be going into serious overdrive here today. Interesting . . .

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 07:25:45

Hey! Don’t be dissin’ on the Hope Now™ campaign.

The Messiah™ be comin’ and he be jivin’ and hoopin’ with the basketball.

Comment by darrell_in_phx
2009-01-16 07:35:20

Disagreeing with someone politics is fair game. But, I detect a hint of racism in many of you comments, and it really pi$$es me off.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 07:49:50

Me? Racist?

LOL

Now, that would be funny. Maybe I should send you a picture in the mail.

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Comment by Ernest
2009-01-16 08:53:27

“”Maybe I should send you a picture in the mail.”"

What does that mean exactly?

 
Comment by Skip
2009-01-16 10:43:16

Will you two quite flirting!

 
Comment by Chip
2009-01-16 11:00:03

“Will you two quite flirting!”

ROFL. The exchange reminds me of a great one-liner: “I’m as confused as a baby in a topless bar.”

 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2009-01-16 11:51:22

Chip, ya made my day with one! :-)

 
Comment by Chip
2009-01-16 20:10:33

Hwy50 - glad you liked it. Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems like in the”early days” we had a lot more one-line humor than now, although some of these exchanges are very funny.

 
 
Comment by Blano
2009-01-16 07:56:35

Your comment is totally off base, and/or you are waaaayyyy too sensitive. There hasn’t been a whiff of racial anything in the Cat’s comments.

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Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2009-01-16 12:31:14

Really?

“The Messiah™ be comin’ and he be jivin’ and hoopin’ with the basketball.”

I’m not trying to start a flame war but I can see how someone would be offended by that line and see it as racist. Doesn’t mean a poster is, just that the odd line thrown out can be interpreted that way.

I just hope everyone always keeps in mind that posting on a thread does not offer an indepth chance for people to express who they are and what they believe. My guess is that if most of us sat down and shared a drink we’d all have a lot more in common than differences. That’s why we’re here.

 
Comment by flint 'burbs
2009-01-16 17:30:23

A remark about surfing, sugar beets and shave ice would make more sense than referencing the common ghetto activities, since Mr. O didn’t live in a mainland environment until his adulthood, right?
I was born in D-troit and even I’ve spent time on the Big Island, where Aloha helps lubricate the cultural divides among us.

 
 
Comment by exeter
2009-01-16 08:05:18

+1.

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Comment by MidnightSunshine
2009-01-16 08:11:47

The fear and rage being expressed is pretty clearly about a lot more than simply “politics”. But, as I said, the meltdown is interesting, if nothing else.

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Comment by palmetto
2009-01-16 08:21:59

Well, I hope you’re not offended if I bust a move on inauguration day, in my Huk-a-poo shirt.

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Comment by MidnightSunshine
2009-01-16 09:42:21

I’m not offended, period. Do whatever you want. I’m just watching, fascinated.

 
 
Comment by ann gogh
2009-01-16 08:35:39

We are all black and we are all white, now!

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 08:53:25

You did want to say, “We’re all insolvent now”, didn’t you?

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-01-16 09:25:45

+1!! Here, kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty…

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-01-16 14:05:34

You guys don’t have it quite right. Humor is black and hope is as white as the bitter snow, but us; we are alltogether in the red.

 
 
 
Comment by not a gator
2009-01-16 11:28:38

Jivin’? Has anyone used that word (non-ironically) since 1977?

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-01-16 12:39:25

Basically, after Obama’s single term, the white guilty people who voted for him will consider themselves free from their sins of their past racist thoughts about blacks. Then in 2012 they will revert to their racism.

See, when the choice was Ron Paul versus Obama, the guilty white college kids chose the Messiah who will pardon them of their sins. The logical choice of course, would have been Ron Paul.

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Comment by exeter
2009-01-16 18:33:21

Those poor minority white folk!!!

 
 
 
 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2009-01-16 08:12:01

Notice how the “True Believer’s™” constantly reference the Cheney-Shrub 8 year list of accomplishments? :-)

Jan 20th 2001 - Jan 19th 2009 = Obama’s… “blame the blackman” …he did it! ;-)

Comment by Ernest
2009-01-16 09:28:32

As opposed to “blame the evil white man”? ;)

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2009-01-16 09:57:42

What does Mr. Made-Off have to do with Obama?…besides, I haven’t seen any Alabama / Mississippi State History books with pictures of those “evil white guys” hang’in by their neck’s. ;-)

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Comment by Wine Country Dude
2009-01-16 15:25:37

Well said, Highway.

The correct frame of reference for discussing criticism of Obama is, in fact, the image of a dead black man hanging by his neck. There is no material difference between our current situation and Indiana in the 1920s and Mississippi in the 1930s.

Why, in my own Bay Area, on New Year’s Day, a white police officer shot an unarmed black man in the back!

Other than that the officer resigned immediately; that the officer was indicted and arrested within 14 days; that the state’s Attorney General announced that he was going to ride herd on the District Attorney to make sure justice was done; that the former officer has been charged with murder; that the former officer has not had the opportunity to explain his actions yet publicly; that the officer’s family in my own hometown of Napa received numerous death threats; that among the death threat recipients was a small child; and that individuals unknown planted hoax bombs on the family’s house’s steps, requiring hours of police intervention to neutralize; and that the shooting caused a fairly major riot in Oakland—other than these things, what really is different between today and 1920s’ Indiana?

Your comment was right on, and certainly not a pointless, inflammatory non sequitur.

By the way, how would you like it if Hitler killed your mother?

(irony off)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-16 07:23:44

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - The output of the nation’s factories, mines and utilities plunged 2.0% in December, the Federal Reserve said Friday. Output has fallen in four of the last five months. The figures were weaker than forecast by economists surveyed by MarketWatch, who were looking for output to fall 1.2%.

Output in November was also much weaker than previously thought. Output fell 1.3% in November, more than double the 0.6% drop initially estimated…. Capacity utilization - a gauge of inflationary pressures — fell to 73.6% from 75.2%. This is the lowest level since December 2001. Industrial output fell at an 11.5% rate in the fourth quarter. Output was down 1.8% in 2008.

Comment by darrell_in_phx
2009-01-16 07:37:50

So, the .6 was revised to 1.3. Ckearly these statistics can’t pick up inflection changes well. Should we expect December’s 2 to be revised to 2.2?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 07:46:26

DUH!!!

They are straightforward ARMA models. As Brahms once told a critic, “Any ass can see that!”

 
Comment by darrell_in_phx
2009-01-16 07:53:14

ooops… I mean revised from 2 to 4.2, not 2.2…. The revision is likely to be MUCH more than 10%, I would think.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-01-16 07:25:04

Fla. driver license settlement: $2.9 million for lawyers, $1 for you

By STEVE BOUSQUET

Miami Herald Tallahassee Bureau

Friday, January 16, 2009

TALLAHASSEE — Facing a $3.5 billion deficit next year, Florida desperately needs all the money it can get. But millions more will disappear because the state has settled a lawsuit that affects millions of motorists.

The Legislature will spend $10.4 million to settle a class-action lawsuit over allegations that the state illegally sold drivers’ personal information to marketing firms over a four-year period in violation of a federal law barring the practice. The state made $27 million each year on the deal, according to the lawsuit.

The settlement to drivers? $1.

Comment by qaxbami
2009-01-16 09:45:53

That’s a disincentive?

Comment by Muggy
2009-01-16 10:06:12

“The settlement to drivers? $1.”

Sweet nibbly! I gets me a burger!

 
 
Comment by Skip
2009-01-16 10:45:58

Wait a minute…where is the state going to be getting the $10.4 million dollars?

 
 
Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 07:27:10

Obama Adviser Urges More Rigorous Global Financial Regulation

Paul Volcker was the lead author on a report calling for a restructuring of the global financial system.

By Anthony Faiola
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, January 16, 2009

“…The report’s recommendations may find support among those in the United States and Europe who have called for tighter regulation over the financial system in the wake of the current economic crisis. But elements of the plan were already opposed Thursday by some in the financial industry, where some worry that the push for tighter government regulation may go too far.

The report offered 18 recommendations that would insert government regulators into the boardrooms of financial institutions as never before. The plan calls for vastly increased oversight of major banks, going as far as to recommend the end of an era of mega banks whose size makes their failure potentially catastrophic to the global financial system. To limit their size and scope, banks, the document states, should be prohibited from managing private-equity or hedge funds. And deposits should not be concentrated in the hands of too few banks.

…”
WaPo

Ah the joys of government in all my affairs.

Comment by darrell_in_phx
2009-01-16 07:55:46

Remember 2 years ago when they were screaming that we needed to ease Wall Street regulations because London was going to get all the best new IPOs….

Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 08:17:41

Moving overseas for a diff reason now, more transparency.

Comment by bluprint
2009-01-16 09:26:05

How is there more transparency? IFRS? Currently IFRS allows for a lot more subjectivity than U.S. GAAP.

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Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 10:33:13

I should say in Asian markets Japan, China (Shanghai and Hong Kong), Taiwan and Korea there is more transparency (as well as greater investor safeguards). Avoid India and Malaysia and Vietnam - they are as bad as the US and Europe.

GAAP allowed ENRON to borrow money at 7% and lend it out at 6.5% and report a profit. There is no perfect accounting system. IFRS requires transactions to be reported as they occur.

GAAP is supposed to show “reality”. Obviously there is a great deal of variance on reality.

 
 
 
 
Comment by DinOR
2009-01-16 09:47:39

hoz,

Right, I don’t have issue w/ getting these HF’s on a leash but our local ( yes, LOCAL ) bank is on the verge of insolvency and I fail to see where having “hall monitors” is going to change ‘that’?

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-16 07:41:12

Will the PPT be at work next week or is today its last day? Did anyone notice how all the earnings calls got pushed up to yesterday and today? Did anyone notice who broke the BAC b@ilout news and where and when it was broken? Despite BAC cutting its dividend to a penny and C breaking itself up, the market just broke its downtrend line. Is it all coincidence or just great coordination by several prescient CEOs?

Comment by Chip
2009-01-16 11:08:37

I sure feel stupid today. This is all seems like very interesting stuff, but I don’t know enough to decipher it. Maven - if I take it right, are you asking rhetorically whether the PPT will continue under Obama? I can’t imagine anything that exercises so much power so opaquely would be undone by any politician of either major party, with the exception of Ron Paul, of course.

 
 
Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 07:41:43

Do not squander America’s stimulus on tax cuts

By Joseph Stiglitz

Published: January 15 2009 19:48 | Last updated: January 15 2009 19:48

As news of the US economy worsens, worries about whether a stimulus could restart the economy are growing. Making matters more complicated is the fact that our 2009 fiscal deficit will exceed 8 per cent of gross domestic product, even before the stimulus.

What is clear is that tax cuts will not help much. When Barack Obama, president-elect, last week proposed to use nearly 40 per cent of the stimulus for tax cuts, he was rightly told this would be less effective than, say, spending on infrastructure. It has been surprising, then, to see President George W. Bush’s former economic advisers, including Greg Mankiw, argue that tax cuts are the way forward.

Mr Mankiw cites a recent study by Christina Romer and David Romer, economists at the University of California, Berkeley, who found that each dollar of tax cuts raises GDP by about $3 (€2.30). Such studies, based on past data, may have little to say about the situation the world now faces. Americans confronted with debt, shrinking retirement accounts, houses worth less than mortgages and a tough credit environment will save more of their money than in the past. That was the experience with the February 2008 tax cut, where less than half of it has been spent. It matters who gets the break – if it is lower income Americans, the fraction spent will, on average, be greater than for wealthier Americans….”
FT

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-16 07:49:14

Coincidentally, Christina Romer is on Team Obama…I personally trust almost no regression done by a macroeconomist.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 08:00:30

You should never trust a husband and wife team in academia.

One is inevitably stupider than the other. Which one varies naturally but the observation is apposite.

Comment by robin
2009-01-17 01:28:07

Beg to differ. Rose and Milton Freeman will always be my economic academically-mentoring heroes. - :)

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Comment by measton
2009-01-16 08:37:37

Mr Mankiw cites a recent study by Christina Romer and David Romer, economists at the University of California, Berkeley, who found that each dollar of tax cuts raises GDP by about $3 (€2.30). Such studies, based on past data, may have little to say about the situation the world now faces.

I posted a bit from Greg Mankiw a few weeks ago, and had the same thoughts. I thought it was good to see that Obama’s team was reaching out to the other side and atleast offering some debate on what the best way forward was. One idea of his I like is the taxing gas and cutting an equal amount from payroll business and or income tax. People can cut their use of gas and thus their taxes. It would result in fewer dollars going overseas to Saudi Arabia, Russia, Venezuela and Iran.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2009-01-16 07:43:58

Obama will reform Social Security and Medicare. Here’s my guess what it will look like once it gets through Congress.

1) The generations that came of age in the 1950s and 1960s will have their benefits unrestricted at current levels, because they “worked hard all our lives.”

2) Those younger will face payroll tax increases and diminished benefits in old age, to “save the system” and be “fiscally responsible.” Because the higher taxes will be on work earnings, the retired will not have to pay them.

3) The generations that came of age in tyhe 1950s and 1960s will then seek to spend all the extra revenues and future savings on themselves, meaning that even the diminished benefits will not be available to those younger. Just like the aftermath of the 1983 “reform.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-16 07:52:48

I am not buying it. It is too politically unpopular to roll back Social Security in the explicit manner you suggest. There are sneakier ways to do it which are just as effective, such as pushing out the full retirement age or rigging the inflation adjustments so they don’t quite fully index benefits for inflation.

Comment by WT Economist
2009-01-16 08:03:40

It’s too politically unpopular to do it for those who have power, but not for younger generations. The question is what the age cutoff will be, and how much extra “social security” and “medicare” tax will be diverted to debt service. Can’t tax those who acquired dynastic wealth in the past two decades and now rule us, can we?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-16 08:11:32

I am not arguing with you about whether younger generations will get screwed; I am sure they will. I am just suggesting the approach will be obfuscatory rather than explicit.

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Comment by measton
2009-01-16 09:05:22

Here is my guess. You can’t tax the elite in a meaningfull way so all they can do is reduce benefits and go after the upper middle class.

Age of eligibillity increased for younger workers.

Anyone earning over 250k a year gets no benefits or takes a cut (small population with money but not enough to influence poltics) The top 0.1% won’t care as they derive little benefit vs their wealth and know they will make it back in spades with lower dividend/capital gain tax and tax breaks.

I don’t see an increase in payroll taxes until deflation is knocked back.

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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-01-16 09:46:46

meatson-
I agree, there will be Means Testing for SSI and Medicare.

 
Comment by Skip
2009-01-16 11:22:59

I am predicting “means testing” as the solution to Social Security. It will be promoted as a “fair” way, since the really wealthy do not really need the Social Security money any how.

Slowly, the limits will be lowered as upper middle class, and then finally middle class will need to have benefits reduced to keep the system afloat.

 
Comment by WT Economist
2009-01-16 12:16:16

Screwing those who save through means testing is the Democratic solution. Screwing working women by allowing only one member of a married couple to collect is the Republican solution. Raising the retirement age (again) is probably the fairest solution.

But no matter what, cut that regressive payroll tax to match the money going out. The “trust fund” was the biggest swindle ever.

 
Comment by measton
2009-01-16 22:25:13

Slowly, the limits will be lowered as upper middle class, and then finally middle class will need to have benefits reduced to keep the system afloat

Wrong it will work just like AMT, only those making above 250k a year will be affected. Of course in 10 years the guys at Wallmart and McDonalds will clear 250k a year. The magic of hyperinflation.

 
Comment by CrackerJim
2009-01-17 08:46:18

“Screwing working women by allowing only one member of a married couple to collect is the Republican solution.”

Serious disinformation.
Married couples can collect individual benefits based on their own working history without regard to married or not. They can not collect as an individual AND as a spouse on their partner’s account. It is an either-or situation and the SSA will gladly help you determine which is to your best it.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 07:44:37

Democrats unveil $825bn stimulus

By Edward Luce in Washington

Published: January 15 2009 20:26 | Last updated: January 15 2009 23:09

Democratic lawmakers on Thursday unveiled a much-awaited $825bn stimulus package to halt America’s vertiginous economic slide which Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, said was only the “first step” in a process that could take weeks to pass into law.

The bill, which Barack Obama, the incoming president, wants enacted before mid-February when Congress goes into a short recess, comes in at $50bn (€38bn, £34bn) higher than the initial ceiling set by his transition team. But economists said they expected it to climb towards the important psychological threshold of $1,000bn by the time it becomes law.

“This is more like an opening bid,” Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, said on Thursday. “You would expect the tax cut element of the bill to grow as the Democrats try to win over more Republican support.”

FT

“This is more like an opening bid….” I’ll open 6 NoTrump. Ooops wrong click of the mousey.

Comment by vozworth
2009-01-16 07:46:46

I’ll open with a smoking crater in the US ten year bond yield.

wait, what game are we playing?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 07:52:01

The sheer audacity!!! How could you?

We’re playin’ Hope Now™, silly!

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-16 07:54:32

I’ll believe it when I see it. I believe the Fed is sitting tight on the 10-yr yield.

Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 08:20:47

Only as long as China, Japan and the Middle East are willing to buy 3 mo to 2 yr debt.

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 08:25:09

Give this man a prize!!!

 
Comment by vozworth
2009-01-16 08:39:43

you here that people, the bond vigilantes speak english as a 3rd language.

When tarpel-funnel syndrome sets in, they wont wanna push the buy buttons…it’ll be too painful.

 
Comment by bluprint
2009-01-16 08:43:42

How will you know when the worm turns? Watching bond yields would be too late, no?

 
Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 09:38:16

Don’t get into a position fraught with unquantifiable risk depending on a ‘greater fool’ to bail you out.
see “greater fool theory”

 
Comment by cactus
2009-01-16 10:50:46

“Only as long as China, Japan and the Middle East are willing to buy 3 mo to 2 yr debt.”

as long as the stock markets keep crashing I think they will buy

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-16 07:56:42

Why is it that banking CEOs earning high multiples of seven figures have such friggin’ poor eyesight? And why should the rest of us have to chip in to compensate for their blindness issues?

Wall Street Journal

* BUSINESS
* JANUARY 16, 2009, 9:09 A.M. ET

Lewis Defends Merrill Purchase
By DAN FITZPATRICK

Bank of America Corp. Chief Executive Kenneth Lewis on Friday rejected the suggestion that he and his team did not conduct enough due diligence before agreeing to buy securities firm Merrill Lynch & Co., saying forecasts did not suggest Merrill’s assets would drop so suddenly in value.

“We did not expect the significant deterioration in mid to late December that we saw,” he said on a conference call with analysts.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 08:03:20

Why do you assume that they speak the truth in the media?

Why should they? Aren’t you economists like the princes of incentives? Isn’t that your stock in trade, so to speak?

So why should they?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-16 08:07:32

I don’t think they speak the truth; I just enjoy mocking the absurdity of their statements.

 
 
Comment by Blano
2009-01-16 08:04:34

These guys really need to work on their models.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-16 08:19:32

How big does one have to be in order to qualify for free gambling loss insurance?

Government giving $20 billion to Bank of America
Guaranteeing losses on over $400 billion worth of Citi, Bank of America assets
By Steve Goldstein, MarketWatch
Last update: 9:38 a.m. EST Jan. 16, 2009

LONDON (MarketWatch) — The U.S. government on Friday announced it was injecting $20 billion into Bank of America and guaranteeing losses on over $400 billion of assets both the Charlotte, N.C. lender and Citigroup.

In a statement released Friday, the Treasury Department and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation said they will invest $20 billion in Bank of America from the Troubled Assets Relief Program in exchange for preferred stock paying an 8% dividend.

The news lifted Bank of America shares in pre-open trading, as investors welcomed clarity on an issue whose uncertainty had sparked high volatility and big losses in the company’s shares.

In fact, Bank of America moved up its fourth quarter earnings release and its unveiling of the government plan by a few days in response to the market action.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-16 08:06:13

Given a projected $42 bn budget gap, a 38m population and an economy in the world’s top ten or so, will CA be summarily deemed “too big to fail” when The Messiah™ takes office?

Governor’s plea short, simple
He calls for courage in balancing budget
By Mike Gardner U-T Sacramento Bureau and Jim Sweeney (Contact) U-T Sacramento Bureau
2:00 a.m. January 16, 2009

SACRAMENTO — In a stark departure from years of tradition, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger yesterday dedicated an unusually brief, at times solemn State of the State address to the pressing need to solve California’s monumental budget crisis.

The Republican governor urged lawmakers to muster the courage to make the tough, politically perilous decisions needed to close a record $42 billion deficit forecast over the next 18 months.

Comment by palmetto
2009-01-16 08:24:59

Whatever happened to Gray Davis? Dang, I’ll bet he’s laughing up both sleeves right about now.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-16 08:32:59

Put my response in the wrong place.

palmetto,

Gray is also saying, yes there is a GOD with a big smile on his face. Especially now. There’s a recall movement starting up again. This time it’s not by the Prison Guard Union.

 
Comment by Skip
2009-01-16 11:28:41

He receives a state pension and benefits, so I am sure he’s not laughing too hard.

 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-16 08:28:22

I’ve said this before and I will say it again, Gray Davis is laughing his ass off.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-16 08:31:23

palmetto,

Gray is also saying, yes there is a GOD with a big smile on his face. Especially now. There’s a recall movement starting up again. This time it’s not by the Prison Guard Union

Comment by palmetto
2009-01-16 08:41:51

I dunno that much about California politics, being here in Florida, but the way that Ahnold went after Gray Davis was disgusting, IMO. The SOB used Enron’s manipulation as a tool to bury Davis and then settled with them for pennies on the dollar, as I understand it.

Anyway, is Cali better or worse under Ahnold? You tell me.

I saw some map the other day where Cali was divided into three sections, to make three individual states. Probably a good idea.

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Comment by B. Durbin
2009-01-16 11:33:12

Gray Davis was horrible— the voters wanted to recall him WITHOUT any idea of who his opponent was going to be. Ahnold came out on top of the heap.

The problem is that California didn’t get rid of its Legislature at the same time. Seriously, every major budget mishap of my whole life is directly attributable to the Leg.

Except for those mandatory spending propositions that keep getting passed despite the fact that the damned state is broke. I don’t care how cool high-speed rail is, we did NOT need to allocate money in ten-figure amounts that we don’t have!

My parents have often proposed that the air conditioning at the Capitol should be turned off when the budget is late. As the budget is due in the midst of Sacramento summer, I’d really like to see it put into action.

Plus no salaries for the Congresscritters until they get it resolved.

 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2009-01-16 08:36:24

Did we both post our comments independently of each other, bayareagal? Dang, great minds think alike!

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-01-16 08:50:04

“…urged lawmakers to muster the courage to make the tough, politically perilous decisions…”

You first-
No, you first-
No, please I insist, you first-
No, really, you first-

Comment by palmetto
2009-01-16 09:29:37

LOL, edge, that reminds me of a Will Farrell skit on SNL about suicide bombings, where a bunch of guys were gathered around OBL arguing over who should go first, for the greater glory of the jihad.

 
 
 
Comment by Muggy
2009-01-16 08:23:04

Hoz, Voz, FPSS, Darrell, etc. do you guys have formal training with this stuff?

Comment by darrell_in_phx
2009-01-16 08:38:42

Hoz is a Wall Street playa. I think Voz is too.

Me, I’m just a lowly, ex-Navy data processor, now computer programmer. I have a BSCS and did about half the classes needed for an MBA before realizing it was total BS and I’d rather stay a programmer than move into management.

But, I do spend a lot of time, self-educating.

Seeing the Tech Wreck coming, I got a bunch of my 401(k) money into a nice, safe utility and former employer… MCI… Well, WorldCom by that time.

Learned a lesson there.

Never again.

Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 08:42:49

Do not ever sell yourself short! You friggin squid! Your opinions are extremely valuable and I read every one. Disagree mais c’est la guerre.

 
Comment by Muggy
2009-01-16 10:51:16

“Hoz is a Wall Street playa. I think Voz is too.”

Ah, so they’re just making it up as they go? Lol..

 
Comment by clue
2009-01-16 13:20:55

dont be spreadin rumors about vozzie, everybody here knows he’s a profesional rodeo clown.

Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 14:07:39

Commie, hippie ex Californian by way of Texas getting lost in Arizona, doesn’t know how to fish, Oregonian, Rodeo Clown!

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Comment by Muggy
2009-01-16 15:41:23

Which one of you is the tiara-wearing, gay rancher living in Vermont?

I’m so confused!

 
Comment by vozworth
2009-01-16 18:03:38

that would be Jas Jain.

 
Comment by robin
2009-01-17 01:33:08

‘Dis Dain” ?? - :) (Based on attitude, not intellect).

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-16 21:57:08

hoz = Fed-ex employee…

 
 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-16 08:36:07

Jan. 16 (Bloomberg) — A decline in U.S. stock indexes below the 2008 lows from November may trigger a rout…, according to two leading technical analysts.

“Hopefully we don’t make new lows, because if we do, all bets are off,” said Ralph Acampora…. Should the Dow Jones Industrial Average fall below the 7,552.29 it touched on Nov. 20, it might tumble to 6,000, Acampora said. That’s 27 percent below yesterday’s close of 8,212.49 and a level last reached in October 1996.

The lows reached by the Dow average and the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index in November are “a very, very significant area” because they are roughly where the last bear market ended in 2003, said John Murphy…. “If that’s broken, it becomes very negative.”

“There’s another down leg coming,” Murphy said. “Normally the market comes down in five legs. We’ve come down in two. I think we’re going to test those lows at the very least, and eventually probably take them out.”

 
Comment by Azrenter
2009-01-16 08:36:56

With all the noise dedicated to this economic mess isn’t it worth considering that this is all a side show to distract folks from some really devestating event that might be coming down the road? If these PTB folks knew for a fact that polar shift would occur in some near future date, wouldn’t they try to keep folks distracted while they get their bunker supplies and the door locks changed? Then when it is finally obvious that something epic is going to happen to silently dissapear and let it all happen. Meanwhile the tube keeps on harping about some bailout or other that never seems to do the job.

I have to think that the folks in charge are not the simpleton morons that they seem to be, but then never having met them I cannot make that distinction. If they are smart then they wouldn’t tell us the truth anyway would they? I still call distraction on this whole mess. Watch the back door, something might be sneaking up on us.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-01-16 09:14:00

Waiting for the bus last night, it sure felt like the poles had shifted.

Nah, the PTB is just a group of flawed, but powerful, people forever looking for their Rosebuds.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-01-16 16:18:27

Gypsies?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-16 08:37:44

I just did a simple linear regression of the log of Radar Logic’s 1-day PPSF for San Diego on time, over the period from 9-2-08 through 11-15-08 or so The results suggest the price per square foot of San Diego homes was falling at over a 40 percent annualized rate over the period — right in line with the rate at which PPSF has fallen since May 2006.

Here are recent data, which show the PPSF has recently gravitated south of $200 on all three time horizons over which they average (1-day, 7-day and 28-day moving averages):

Period End Date /Publication Date / RPX.SD.1 / RPX.SD.7 / RPX.SD.28
14-Nov-08 16-Jan-09 $197.83 $198.36 $198.98
13-Nov-08 15-Jan-09 $209.59 $199.68 $200.17
12-Nov-08 14-Jan-09 $188.87 $193.01 $199.86
11-Nov-08 13-Jan-09 #N/A $196.67 $201.50
10-Nov-08 12-Jan-09 $204.56 $197.26 $201.85
7-Nov-08 9-Jan-09 $203.47 $194.32 $201.60
6-Nov-08 8-Jan-09 $183.51 $194.03 $201.74
5-Nov-08 7-Jan-09 $199.17 $198.16 $203.33
4-Nov-08 6-Jan-09 $201.19 $198.58 $204.03
3-Nov-08 5-Jan-09 $192.62 $196.76 $204.52
31-Oct-08 2-Jan-09 $203.17 $201.72 $205.62
29-Oct-08 31-Dec-08 $201.10 $201.61 $206.53
28-Oct-08 30-Dec-08 $192.09 $201.74 $206.93
27-Oct-08 29-Dec-08 $208.39 $203.51 $207.65
24-Oct-08 26-Dec-08 $205.20 $203.02 $208.68
22-Oct-08 24-Dec-08 $202.29 $207.48 $209.86
21-Oct-08 23-Dec-08 $201.83 $208.70 $210.00
20-Oct-08 22-Dec-08 $206.39 $209.12 $210.94
17-Oct-08 19-Dec-08 $219.95 $209.86 $210.94
16-Oct-08 18-Dec-08 $207.94 $208.03 $211.24
15-Oct-08 17-Dec-08 $211.57 $206.29 $211.64
14-Oct-08 16-Dec-08 $204.27 $206.57 $211.82
13-Oct-08 15-Dec-08 #N/A $208.01 $212.94
10-Oct-08 12-Dec-08 $210.97 $209.64 $213.63
9-Oct-08 11-Dec-08 $202.45 $210.00 $213.56
8-Oct-08 10-Dec-08 $207.77 $211.71 $214.92
7-Oct-08 9-Dec-08 $214.63 $209.66 $215.66
6-Oct-08 8-Dec-08 $214.35 $209.53 $215.71
3-Oct-08 5-Dec-08 $212.57 $212.17 $215.75
2-Oct-08 4-Dec-08 $207.96 $212.14 $216.54
1-Oct-08 3-Dec-08 $199.74 $215.01 $216.97
30-Sep-08 2-Dec-08 $215.05 $215.40 $217.49
29-Sep-08 1-Dec-08 $231.50 $215.95 $217.60
26-Sep-08 28-Nov-08 $216.15 $210.69 $217.06
24-Sep-08 26-Nov-08 $198.81 $213.62 $217.37
23-Sep-08 25-Nov-08 $218.63 $217.77 $218.23
22-Sep-08 24-Nov-08 $208.39 $217.19 $218.49
19-Sep-08 21-Nov-08 $225.33 $219.80 $218.46
18-Sep-08 20-Nov-08 $222.53 $217.12 $218.18
17-Sep-08 19-Nov-08 $216.55 $218.94 $217.95
16-Sep-08 18-Nov-08 $214.79 $218.99 $217.98
15-Sep-08 17-Nov-08 $219.11 $219.11 $218.59
12-Sep-08 14-Nov-08 $209.47 $217.98 $217.90
11-Sep-08 13-Nov-08 $229.45 $219.77 $218.51
10-Sep-08 12-Nov-08 $219.91 $217.61 $217.98
8-Sep-08 10-Nov-08 $214.90 $217.29 $218.46
5-Sep-08 7-Nov-08 $221.67 $215.79 $217.25
4-Sep-08 6-Nov-08 $211.54 $215.10 $217.56
3-Sep-08 5-Nov-08 $213.95 $218.27 $218.27
2-Sep-08 4-Nov-08 $216.16 $220.41 $218.09
1-Sep-08 3-Nov-08 #N/A $222.40 $218.61

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 08:39:30

An economist did a linear regression?!?

Get out!!!

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-01-16 09:30:45

consider the power of graphpaper.

 
 
Comment by whino
2009-01-16 08:38:38

Feds give Colorado $34 million for foreclosures

The state said it plans to rehabilitate 40 properties to rent to low-income families, buy 120 homes to sell or rent, demolish 45 blighted structures, provide homebuyer counseling to 120 people, help 100 homebuyers purchase and rehabilitate property and use $3.8 million to administer the program.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/090116/co_foreclosure_grants.html?.v=1

More wastefull spending!

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2009-01-16 10:17:09

Help by the hundred… Too bad the problem is in the hundreds of thousands.

 
 
Comment by Bad Chile
2009-01-16 08:41:00

Kaboom. CNBC announcing Circuit City to be liquidated, 35,000 CC employees to hit the street. Further details soon.

Guess with no MEW there is no means to a big screen.

Comment by packman
2009-01-16 09:08:09

LOL. CC just opened a new store up the street from me three months ago.

I’m bummed actually, since absolutely abhor Best Buy - quite possibly the crappiest store ever (including WalMart).

Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-01-16 09:38:29

While it’s a bit like debating which $1 house in inner Detroit is the most awesome buy, I’d rank Circuit City (RIP) as the crappiest big box experience, bar none.

Though I wouldn’t be unhappy to see any of them take it on the chin.

 
Comment by polly
2009-01-16 11:34:39

I can’t buy anything in Best Buy. There is one just up the street so I have been inside it a few times, but I CAN’T buy anything. It’s the fuzzy stuff, especially the noise that does it. I’d have a hard time buying a top of the line big screen TV for $50 in that store.

Comment by Shizo
2009-01-16 13:57:23

The stinky new plastic smell makes me run for the door… I abhor that smell.

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Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-16 09:46:25

I was at a strip mall in a decent neighborhood over the holidays. It had a CC, LnT, Pier 1, Sound Advice, Michael’s, and Target. Oh, the humanity.

Jan. 16 (Bloomberg) — Circuit City Stores Inc., the bankrupt consumer-electronics retailer, hired four liquidators to sell all the remaining merchandise in 567 stores before it goes out of business, the company said today.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-01-16 10:40:25

Ahh, liquidation. Boost all the prices 150% and then offer everything at 50% off. Such a deal.

Comment by Kim
2009-01-16 12:11:32

You aren’t kidding! When our Circuit City closed, I went in when things were 30% off, and walked out empty-handed. I went to Wal-Mart the next day and got the SAME BRANDS of Mini DV tapes and photo paper for nearly half of the “liquidation prices”.

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-01-16 16:07:19

LOL. Furniture stores are the most egregious offenders at this.

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Comment by robin
2009-01-17 01:44:01

Most of the retailers play this trick when they turn over the operation to liquidators. Prices discounted off of an imaginary retail price only employees on drugs would have charged and only customers on drugs would have paid.

New paradigm. Be careful!!

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Comment by ann gogh
2009-01-16 08:45:13

Drumroll please….
Ok, what’s the difference between a stimulus check and a bailout?

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-01-16 09:28:39

I don’t get either. I don’t need either. They both come out of my pocket.

They both quack like ducks.

Comment by CrackerJim
2009-01-16 12:20:00

“They both come out of my pocket.”

Not true; they come out of the pockets of 2 generations hence.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-01-16 12:43:27

My children’s children will gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today.

I do think though, that we could clear this slate in less than a decade, if we only did what we know how to do.

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Comment by robin
2009-01-17 01:45:42

A significant number of zeroes!! - :)

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-16 09:09:32

As mentioned earlier, the S&P 500’s rising trendline from the Nov. 21 intraday low has been broken to the downside (see Chart 1). So, too, has the 50-day average and short-term support at 857.

These factors tell us in a fairly strong tone that the rally as we knew it is over. As for the rally itself, some chart watchers have labeled it as a “rising wedge.” Basically, a rising wedge forms as a correction of the trend that preceded it and, in this case, it is a corrective rally within a bear market.

Traders wait for prices to fall below the lower border of the wedge to either close out their existing positions, buy inverse exchange-traded funds (ETFs) or initiate outright short sales. They got that signal Monday.

Barrons: Michael Kahn — Dude, Where’s My Rally? (Note: He is still bullish, argues decline too steep to be sustainable.)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 09:17:03

Trillions More: Govt. Will Keep Spending Until Economy Reflates, Mauldin Says
Posted Jan 16, 2009 09:00am EST by Aaron Task
Related: ^dji, ^gspc, UDN, SPY, UUP, DIA, TLT
Barack Obama’s stimulus package has now grown to $825 billion, news that comes as no surprise to John Mauldin, president of Millennium Wave Advisors.

“We are in uncharted waters. But the captains of the boats are all Keynesians,” Mauldin says, meaning they believe government spending is key to fighting the downturn. “They will keep spending until the economy reflates.”

Mauldin, who has been notably bearish on the economy and stocks in his popular Thoughts from the Frontline e-letter, does not believe the government will be successful in turning the economy anytime soon; “this recession is going to be the longest in anyone’s memory,” he writes. “It is going to seem like it is never going to end.”

Still, he does believe the government spending will prevent the most dire economic outcome and that from the rubble of Wall Street a new, private banking system will emerge - even as the government continues to prop up the old, failed model.

Comment by packman
2009-01-16 10:15:22

Yeah, it’s called “black market”.

Not sure I wouldn’t call that dire though.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-01-16 10:42:09

Careful, some ppl here would consider that a racist term.

Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 11:13:15

LOL You got that right!

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Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-01-16 09:28:14

I’ve mentioned before that I ended up on a mailing list for local real estate powerhouse @properties — the SOB grabbed my name from an e-mail sent by a mutual friend. At any rate, the bright side is I get demented real estate shinola delivered right to my inbox. And insight into the dark, manipulative mind of a Realtor.

Here’s an excerpt from today’s mailing. It’s a great time to buy, baby:

After the rate cuts by the Federal Reserve over the last few months, buyers can now lock in a 30-year mortgage rate with a 10% down payment (on a conventional loan) with an interest rate at approximately 5% for 30 years. This is an unprecedented event and offers what might be the opportunity of a lifetime.

While it is January, and early in the year for the traditional “Spring selling season,” we would advise anyone thinking of buying or selling real estate to consider this incredible opportunity in the current marketplace.

We have all been looking for hope with the economy and we feel we have been given a belated holiday present, but it is your choice to unwrap it! Please take the time to contact me if you are considering a move; there are many options open to buyers. And if you are considering selling, please contact me to discuss the best way to position your property to take advantage of this historical situation. This moment in time will not last — please take advantage of it.

Comment by cactus
2009-01-16 11:17:08

the first 50 callers will recieve a free big screen TV act now

 
Comment by MrBubble
2009-01-16 11:29:35

Email responses from realtwhores is all I’m getting from my CL post from yesterday….

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/rew/993960123.html

100K+ downpayment (The City)

“I’m tired of renting! I have $100k+ cash on hand for a downpayment. Looking for a SFH and a sunny backyard in which to grow vegetables. Fruit/nut tree(s) would be a huge plus. Please respond with your best offer.

MrBubble

Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-01-16 13:19:54

Can you smell the desperation in their responses, Mr. Bubble, or is it still different there in the beautiful Bay?

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-01-16 12:37:37

Hopefully the Chicago condo implosion will rid us of the @properties crew.

 
Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2009-01-17 09:08:48

‘Here’s an excerpt from today’s mailing. It’s a great time to buy, baby: ‘

I think I will cut and paste that response from the used house salesperson into all my correspondences. It is a great response. In fact, I’ll take a step higher. I’ll start calling people and ask them if they want to be a pepper too.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 09:43:08

Here are just some of the examples of what Obama considers “economic stimulus”:

$3.836 billion for rural water and waste grant and loan programs

$6.2 billion to help low-income families reduce their energy costs by weatherizing their homes and make our country more energy efficient

$400 million to help state and local governments purchase efficient alternative fuel vehicles to reduce fuel costs and carbon emissions

$6 billion for broadband and wireless services in underserved areas

$650 million to continue the coupon program to enable American households to convert from analog television transmission to digital transmission

$400 million to replace the 30 year old Social Security Administration’s National Computer Center to meet growing needs for processing retirement and disability claims and records storage

$3.1 billion for infrastructure projects on federal lands including improvements to visitor facilities, road and trail restoration, preservation of buildings of cultural and historic importance, rehabilitation of abandoned mines and oil fields, and environmental cleanup projects

$400 million for ready-to-go habitat restoration projects

$850 million for hazardous fuels removal and other efforts to prevent wildfires on public lands

$1 billion for 21st century classrooms, including computer and science labs and teacher technology training

$66 million for formula grants to states to provide services to homeless children including meals and transportation when high unemployment and home foreclosures have created an influx of homeless kids

$2 billion to provide child care services for an additional 300,000 children in low-income families while their parents go to work

$30.3 billion to extend health insurance coverage to the unemployed, extending the period of COBRA coverage for older and tenured workers beyond the 18 months provided under current law

$500 million to rehabilitate and improve energy efficiency at some of the over 42,000 housing units maintained by Native American housing programs

$1 billion to help low-income families pay for home heating and cooling at a time of rising energy costs

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2009-01-16 10:54:11

All the above = < AIG via Shrub. ;-)

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-01-16 11:17:56

$3.836 billion for rural water and waste grant and loan programs

$6 billion for broadband and wireless services in underserved areas

$1 billion for 21st century classrooms, including computer and science labs and teacher technology training

Why — to pick three of your examples — do you think these are a bad idea? Do you think, for example, that American children deserve access to reasonably up-to-date technology even if their parents aren’t well-to-do?

I won’t argue that all of potential programs you listed are good or have equal merit. That’s clearly not the case. But I look at that list and see some good ideas — and I like most of that list a hell of a lot more than the idea of watching another $50 billion spin down the Citibank rabbithole, for example.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-01-16 12:50:52

Why — to pick three of your examples — do you think these are a bad idea?

Because they are unconstitutional.

Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 13:02:55

“Because they are unconstitutional”.

+10…. But the over whelming majority of our population have never read it, nor did their teachers at the indoctrination centers where they went to school. The ones that did read it don’t like it, couldn’t understand it and most of them are living off taxpayers at central planning.

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Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-01-16 13:06:39

Oh, please, do tell.

I love to hear in-depth constitutional analysis from the talk radio fanbase.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-01-16 14:20:32

Presumptious of you. You should know by now that I am by no means conservative. I’m an atheist heterosexual, an occasional customer of houses of “ill repute,” a Darwinist, and I don’t listen to talk radio.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-01-16 15:18:14

You’re right — I was guessing based on your response.

I’ll keep that in mind.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 12:58:32

“Why — to pick three of your examples — do you think these are a bad idea”?

Slight correction these aren’t really ‘my’ examples they came from and out line given to the MSM by the B.O. team.

Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-01-16 13:21:37

I stand corrected.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-01-16 11:56:00

It’s like throwing candy at the crowd from a Mardi Gras float. Indescriminate. Everybody gets a feel good. Won’t fix it.

 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2009-01-16 13:01:56

Isn’t that the Dems in the House’s plan, not Obama’s.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-01-16 13:55:49

That’s a very good question Darrell IMO. Certainly congress has to vote on it and then it becomes all the Congres’ plan, not just the Dem’s. The President Elect has been working on his request from congress for the legislation, according to reports, so it would appear it is “his” plan as well.

 
 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2009-01-16 10:19:15

Paulson and Bair want to create an aggrigator bank to buy up bad debts, like RTC, for whatever the current owners need to sell for.

Can we get an aggrigator stock brokerage? I have several thousand WCOM shares from 2000 that I’d love to sell for $40 per.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-16 12:55:18

Isn’t this just the toxic superfund SIV again? I am beginning to believe that rejected proposals never die — they just resurface again at a later date under a new name.

 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2009-01-16 10:26:20

Anyone else getting the feeling that the economy is in far worse shape than they are telling us. .4% per month increase in unemployment. 2% drop in retail sales. .1% CPI.

Then why all the DESPERATION talk from Paulson, Bernanke and others to rush, rush, rush the second half of TARP. Rush, rush, rush the stimulus.

Bigger, more desperate moves needed, like aggrigator bank to buy up the crap.

I just get the feeling that it is accelerating downwards, and they are having a code brown nearly continuesly. Seriously, can anyone in DC look at ecnomic data and not need to change their Depends…

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-01-16 10:44:38

Actually, most in the House and Senate really are still clueless.

 
Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 14:01:37

“Anyone else getting the feeling that the economy is in far worse shape than they are telling us. .4% per month increase in unemployment. 2% drop in retail sales. .1% CPI….”

Actually, I am of the opinion that it is in far BETTER shape they are telling us. For the 108MM people still working PCE income was up 1% in Nov and 0.6% in December with fewer hours worked. Relative GDP, we are almost to 60% as bad as 1980 -1982 and almost 1/3 as bad as the great depression. However the GD and 80 -82 never had income growth.

The drop is still large and painful, but it is just a recession. Hyperbole permeates main stream media. The worst this, the best that - there are always shades. It is not the end of Western civilization or of Western finance; nor will it be the end of the CDS market or the CDO market.

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2009-01-16 14:43:11

“For the 108MM people still working PCE income was up 1% in Nov and 0.6% in December with fewer hours worked.”

Is this like late 2006 when Realtors were saying the median was still increasing, while ignoring that subprime was shutting down, taking the legs out from under the bottom end of the market? Individual house prices were falling, but due to the low end having disproportionatly fewer sales the median was still increasing.

Job losses so far are hitting more of the low end, retail and the like, pushing up the income of those that still have jobs?

Comment by polly
2009-01-16 16:26:51

Exceptionally good point. Bet you are right.

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Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 16:59:47

Come on Darrell

Read the BLS report.

In fact there was one item in the report that I cannot believe has not been commented upon. We shall go the way of all male lions, lying in the savanna while our mates hunt. This is predominantly a white middle class male layoff.

It is entirely possible for over 50% of the work force to become women. 1st time in US history (maybe world history).

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Comment by vozworth
2009-01-16 19:29:53

thats the hozzie I like….

 
 
 
Comment by not a gator
2009-01-16 10:27:06

Opened up finance.yahoo.com, looked at the Dow:

pssssssss….

like a deflating bike tire

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Comment by whino
2009-01-16 10:31:34

Question of the day:

Will the PPT show-up to stop the bleeding?

 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2009-01-16 10:41:03

When the S&P can move 3-5% in minutes, creating or wiping out $500 billion dollars at a chunk, clearly it is not real money any more. It is a game… Who can collect the largest pile of worthless units before the game ends.

Yesterday I was in anger. Today I’m in despair.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-16 10:44:24

There’s a wonderful little book called “The Money Game” by a certain Adam Smith (pseudonym.)

I suggest you read it.

 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-16 10:55:11

It’s more like a battle, a battle between truth and untruth. Like a scratch golfer, you’ve got to keep an even keel. Don’t get too excited when you birdie. Don’t get too upset when you bogey. Keep your head down and watch the line.

AMD plans to cut 1,100 workers, reduce salaries and suspend 401(k) contributions as the Chip maker battles slumping demand.

WSJ

Comment by cactus
2009-01-16 11:19:36

suspend 401(k) contributions

every tech company seems to be doing this

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Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2009-01-16 10:29:56

Do I understand the numbers correctly. $1 trillion deficit for FY 09 which started Oct 1 2008. Add to that $700 billion TARP. Then add half of the $800+ billion stimulus.

So, we are talking about adding $2+ trillion to the national debt just this year… right? And before this year, the total publically held (subtract intergovernmental borrowing) was $5 trillion. A 40% increase, AT LEAST, in debt… in 1 year?

Seriously?

Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 13:48:56

A little low.

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-16 10:31:54

OMG! After rallying above it for about 90 mins, the bulls just hammered back under the downtrend line. The bears are determined. A battle is on.

Left. Left. Left-Right. Left-Right. Knee to the head. Knee to the groin.

Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2009-01-16 11:41:15

Wall Street Wii…boxing…my favorite mee: Tanya Harding vs Don King! :-)

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-01-16 12:54:01

Gold gave the head fake, now back to 840. Not quite as dramatic as a boxing match!

 
 
Comment by whino
2009-01-16 10:45:55

Consumer sentiment improves a little in January

Economic expectations could improve in coming months after President-elect Barack Obama takes office, according to the report.

“If Obama’s economic policies receive widespread public support and are promptly enacted — as is now anticipated — consumer confidence could post some anticipatory increases even as actual economic conditions continue to worsen,” the report said.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Consumer-sentiment-improves-a-rb-14082906.html

I’ll believe this when I see it!

Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 11:16:08

Same old drum beat, hope and keep repeating the same crap over and over and perhaps some will believe it.

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-16 11:01:06

Pfizer Inc. plans to lay off as many as 2,400 sales staff, up to a third of its marketing work force, this quarter as the drug maker reorganizes its commercial side, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Pfizer, the world’s largest drug maker by sales, recently laid off as many as 800 researchers at its leading laboratories around the world. The latest cuts will be to sales representatives and middle managers, said a person familiar with the matter.

WSJ — (Cutting marketing and research, where’s the growth?)

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-16 11:38:29

I believe Pfizer is also laying off about 300-400 of its researchers.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-01-16 15:36:15

“…as many as 2,400 sales staff…”

Bet the doctors LOVE that news…

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-16 11:04:25

Jan. 16 (Bloomberg) — General Electric Co.’s finance arm may cut 7,500 to 11,000 jobs, or at least 10 percent of its workforce, because of the global financial slump, people familiar with the company’s plans said.

 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-16 11:07:55

Jan. 16 (Bloomberg) — The Baltic countries of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are facing unrest and street protests over government austerity measures that may make political leaders casualties of the worst economic collapse in the European Union.

Protesters hurled stones and broke windows at the Parliament building during an anti-government demonstration in the capital of Vilnius today, leading to at least 86 arrests. It followed a larger riot on Jan. 13 in Riga, Latvia’s biggest city, in which 106 people were detained. Lithuanian Prime Minister Andrius Kubilius held an emergency Cabinet meeting as police pushed protesters back with rubber bullets and tear gas.

Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-16 11:11:45

About 7,000 people took part in today’s Vilnius demonstration…. People marched along Vilnius’s main shopping and business boulevard chanting “Shame on You” and carrying signs “Stop Impoverishment and Unemployment” to the government building

“We want firm, but well-considered, decisions that aren’t done overnight,” protester Aldona Balsiene said before rioting began. “We demand a stop to the nation’s impoverishment policy, a reduction in the tax burden.”

By afternoon, parts of downtown were filled with tear gas and paving stones, as riot police and dog chased crowds across the river.

 
Comment by nhz
2009-01-16 11:54:56

maybe it’s an experiment courtesy of the EU elite, to test the waters for what is going to come in Old Europe within 1-2 years?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 11:21:14

Wonder why the deadbeats over at GM won’t help a brother out!

Checker Motors, 87-Year-Old Auto-Parts Maker, Seeks Bankruptcy
By Erik Larson

Jan. 16 (Bloomberg) — Checker Motors Corp., the auto-parts maker that once produced the iconic Checker Taxi Cab, filed for bankruptcy blaming high labor costs and declining vehicle sales by customers including General Motors Corp.

The 87-year-old company, based in Kalamazoo, Michigan, listed assets of $24.5 million against debt of $21.8 million in Chapter 11 papers filed today in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Grand Rapids, Michigan. The company said it has 246 employees.

Workers “dedicated their careers to the debtor with an expectation of compensation and working conditions that the debtor can no longer afford and that are no longer supported by the market,” Chief Operating Officer Mark Walburn said in court papers.

At least six partsmakers filed for bankruptcy protection last year as GM and Chrysler LLC sought government loans to stay afloat. The automakers received commitments for a combined $17.4 billion, with GM getting $13.4 billion. The companies must convince Congress by March 31 that they can become viable.

Checker Motors, which plans to reorganize, had 2008 sales of $61.5 million, down from $63.4 million a year earlier, court papers show. The company, with a 72-acre site, does stamping and welding for hood assemblies, rear panels and other parts.

Checker Motors was formed by the 1922 merger of Commonwealth Motors and Markin Automobile Body, according to court papers. In addition to the Checker Taxi, the company previously made trailers for Sears, Roebuck & Co. and the U.S. Army, and an Aerobus for airports, train stations and hotels, according to its Web site.

The case is In re Checker Motors Corp., 1:09-bk-00358, U.S. Bankruptcy Court, Western District of Michigan (Grand Rapids).

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2009-01-16 12:52:55

Bye bye pensions.

Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 21:18:02

yep and unsecured debt
then GM will bail out.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 11:30:24

PARK RIDGE, N.J. (AP) — Rental car company Hertz Global Holdings Inc. said Friday it will eliminate more than 4,000 jobs worldwide as it further cuts costs amid slowing demand.

The company expects to save $150 million to $170 million this year and take a related fourth-quarter charge of $20 million to $25 million.

Hertz already has trimmed its work force by 22 percent in the last two years. The new reductions will bring staffing to 32 percent below August 2006 levels. According to CapitalIQ, the company currently has about 29,350 workers in total, who operate about 8,100 locations in 144 countries.

The company said the latest round of eliminations, which will take place in its fiscal 2008 fourth quarter and first quarter of 2009, will come in its car and equipment rental operations as well as corporate and support areas. The reductions will occur across all regions.

Chairman and Chief Executive Mark P. Frissora said in a statement that Hertz is still committed to its global airport and off-airport car rental and equipment rental businesses and will add the “necessary resources” when operating conditions get better.

The rental car industry has been pressured as economic conditions have caused both businesses and consumers to curb their corporate and personal travel.

In November Hertz suspended its financial guidance and said it no longer expects to meet annual earnings targets set in August. That same month the Park Ridge, N.J.-based company prepared to cut 4.7 percent of its work force and close some of its locations.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 11:39:33

LOL! This will really piss off the old socialist sot, Teddy has been fighting this tooth and nail. NIMBY

Cape Cod Wind Farm Gets U.S. Environmental Approval (Update2)
By Daniel Whitten and Catherine Dodge

Jan. 16 (Bloomberg) — The Interior Department gave environmental approval for a proposed wind farm off the coast of Cape Cod, Massachusetts, over the objections of Senator Edward Kennedy and other residents.

Final federal approval to build the 130 windmills, the first in U.S. waters, wouldn’t be granted for at least 30 days, after President-elect Barack Obama takes office. The Interior Department’s finding is one of about 20 federal, state and local permits or authorizations needed.

Supporters call the project, under review since 2001, an important step toward developing renewable energy. Opponents say it may cause radar interference to boats and planes and spoil the ocean views from Cape Cod.

“It would be one of the largest skylines in the U.S. in the middle of Cape Cod beaches,” said Audra Parker, executive director of the Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound. “We support renewable energy, but Nantucket Sound is the absolute worst location for an industrial-scale wind plant.”

The alliance is readying a fund to pay for legal action against the wind farm, she said.

Kennedy, a Democrat from Massachusetts, has a home at Hyannisport on Cape Cod. He has said that while he supports wind power development, the project off the coast is a “sweetheart deal” that “threatens the livelihood of Massachusetts’ fishermen” and its tourism industry.

“By taking this action, the Interior Department has virtually assured years of continued public conflict and contentious litigation,” Kennedy said today in an e-mailed statement.

Electricity for the Cape

The windmills, proposed by Boston-based Cape Wind Associates LLC, would produce three-quarters of the electricity needs of the Cape and surrounding islands, according to the company’s Web site.

Randall Luthi, director of the Interior Department’s Minerals Management Service, told reporters today on a conference call that the agency has approved the environmental plan.

“There is nothing in the final environmental impact statement to basically cause extreme alarms about the project,” Luthi said.

To contact the reporter on this story: Daniel Whitten in Washington at dwhitten2@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: January 16, 2009 12:58 EST

Comment by nhz
2009-01-16 11:52:42

similar project just approved in Netherlands, about 40 km from the coastline (how far from the coast is this US farm? I guess you need binoculars to see the mills …). The same concerns, mostly regarding ‘visual pollution’ of the horizon, were mentioned many times before here; always coming from those who are opposed to any form of green energy (and who have no problem with oil rigs, electricity distribution towers etc. on the horizon).

The Dutch project could be the first step towards a huge ring of windfarms in the North Sea, connected by some kind of superconducting grid that distributes power to adjacent countries (Netherlands, UK, Germany, Scandinavia etc). Lots of issues that still need to be solved though.

Comment by packman
2009-01-16 13:10:15

Depending on their height though - you probably couldn’t see them with binoculars. “Far offshore” wind farms are designed to not be visible from shore due to the curvature of the earth. Depending on the height, I think 20-40 miles distance is needed.

That’s not the case with the cape code ones though, which are less than 10 miles from shore.

 
 
Comment by MrBubble
2009-01-16 12:13:02

““threatens the livelihood of Massachusetts’ fishermen” and its tourism industry.” Bull.

And Ted Kennedy = unpunished murderer

I’m from Cape Cod (originally) and love the idea of the windmills. I just wish that Cape Wind was putting in the Enercon E-126.

 
 
Comment by BanteringBear
2009-01-16 11:42:59

Nothing but terrible, terrible news everywhere you look, but the scam market doesn’t care, looks to rally.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 11:45:09

Yo,Yo,Yo,B.O.’s new ride… He has requested spinners and appropriate thump sound system…

Obama’s ‘Beast’ of a car revealed

By Rajini Vaidyanathan
BBC News, Washington

It looks like something out of a James Bond film.

But the presidential seal on the side marks this hulking limo out as something not even the superspy will be able to get his hands on.

These are the first pictures of the new armoured limousine which will be used to ferry Barack Obama around.

Nicknamed “The Beast”, the Cadillac will make its debut on 20 January, as part of the inaugural parade.

It is traditional to show presidential cars off for the first time in this way.

‘State of the art’

The Secret Service said the 2009 limo would provide it with a “valuable asset” in providing its occupant with the highest level of protection.

As expected, they are not giving too much away about the car, but Nicholas Trotta, their Assistant Director for the Office of Protective Operations is quoted in their news release:

“Although many of the vehicle’s security enhancements cannot be discussed, it is safe to say that this car’s security and coded communications systems make it the most technologically advanced protection vehicle in the world.”

Observers say the car is likely to include bullet proof glass, an armoured body, a separate oxygen supply, and a completely sealed interior to protect against a chemical attack.

One of the specifications is that we don’t talk about the specifications
David Caldwell
General Motors
Some joke the car is so tough it could withstand a rocket-propelled grenade. Its tyres are said to work flat, so the vehicle will keep going even if shot at.

While the car’s interior is a closely guarded secret, there is no doubt “The Beast” has been kitted out with the best and most up-to-date equipment.

David Caldwell, a spokesman for General Motors which makes Cadillac, told the BBC that the car is made to specifications that the company is given by the federal government.

“One of the specifications is that we don’t talk about the specifications,” he said.

But Mr Caldwell did reveal that the car has been made in keeping with the design of a contemporary Cadillac, and would include a hand-crafted interior.

When asked if it included such extras as an iPod dock, he said he could not comment specifically, but added that the limo would have “state of the art electronics”.

Comment by polly
2009-01-16 17:33:53

Um…The presidential limo does not have seals on the doors. It travels with a bunch of similar (identical on the oustside) vehicles so people don’t know which one the president is in. Then there are other vehicles in the group that have their windows down a few inches and guns sticking out.

Maybe they put presidential seal stickers (removable) on for the inauguration, but that isn’t the way it normally looks.

 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2009-01-16 11:54:46

Circuit City going liquidation, laying off another 35,000 people.

GE Capital dumping 7,000-11,000 employees.

Hertz letting go 4000 people as car rentals crash.

I’m sure this is all very inflationary.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-01-16 13:05:31

Met with a major regional vendor of office equipment this morning. I was asking some routine technical questions and trying to get some spare parts for our operation - when I was told that would be no problem because their warehouse was “suddenly overflowing with returned lease equipment”.

Customers are cancelling their office equipment leases in large numbers - how does that bode for CRE and employment?

 
Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 13:42:18

Less competition for Best Buy. Modestly inflationary.

 
 
Comment by ACH
2009-01-16 12:02:50

To paraphrase (Jett Rink) James Dean:
“I’m rich, VIX. I’m a rich ‘un. I’m a rich boy. Me, I’m gonna have more money than you ever *thought* you could have — you and all the rest of you stinkin’ sons of … Benedicts! ”

VIX: 48.67 @1:00PM CST. It’s up lately.
I wonder why?

Roidy

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2009-01-16 12:04:52

Man buys modest house in 1980 for modest price. Man responds to mass marketing and takes out HELOC in 2005, in order to buy another house for “investment”. Everything blows up, and man loses houses, both of which are later purchased for pennies by CEO of Wall St. firm, along with dozens of other properties, as a personal “investment” providing for ample cash flow and future equity. A brilliantly orchestrated plan which worked to perfection.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-01-16 14:41:57

Interesting, BB. I’ve been thinking about this myself. Am I going to be able to buy a house at 60% off, or is that house going to be bundled Detroit-style with 50 others and sold to a local lord.

 
 
Comment by hwy50ina49dodge
2009-01-16 12:22:25

Calling Prez candidate 2012 “Ms. Barracuda” : “Drill here! Drill Now!”

…rumor has it that McSame, in a jesture of empathy for the American economy is buying x7 electric hybrid Cadillac’s …one for each of his x4 car garage homes. ;-)

“Traders unable to get rid of crude are selling at a huge discount as storage facilities fill up with unwanted oil and gas, said analyst Stephen Schork.”

Diminishing room to store cheap crude:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Diminishing-room-to-store-apf-14085153.html

Comment by Chip
2009-01-16 20:36:38

Nothing short of total self-sufficiency in energy will ever get me to return to gas guzzlers. Too much risk of things going badly wrong, and manipulators of essential commodities make it that much worse.

 
 
Comment by cougar91
2009-01-16 12:31:18

Coming soon to your hood: Debbie Does Yo Mama (if it wasn’t so ridiculous it would be totally funny):

Film, Porn Shoots Sought by Los Angeles Homeowners Hit by Slump
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By Nadja Brandt and Daniel Taub

Jan. 16 (Bloomberg) — Jayshree Gupta reclined on an English-style sofa in her Beverly Hills penthouse as crews buzzed around taping protective paper over the hardwood floors and wheeling in crates of camera gear.

She was hosting a television-commercial shoot. It meant allowing dozens of strangers and 400-pound klieg lights into her home for a full day, and it was worth every minute, Gupta said.

“I am doing it because I need money to maintain my lifestyle,” she said, perched near a portrait of herself painted by her friend Barbara Carrera, the Bond girl in 1983’s “Never Say Never Again.” “A lot of my money is either gone or tied up. Right now I am hurting.”

Gupta, a clothing and jewelry designer, is among an increasing number of recession-pinched Los Angeles homeowners turning to Hollywood for help, offering their houses as sets for feature films, commercials and even adult movies.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-01-16 14:38:22

Ah, yes. The image-only based “lifestyle” lives on….tick, tock…tick, tock….

 
Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2009-01-17 09:55:34

Give it a while. Eventually you will see naming rights be auctioned off for everything. ‘Idiocracy’, the reality series coming soon, lol.

 
 
Comment by measton
2009-01-16 13:44:59

Jan. 16 (Bloomberg) — Consumer prices and industrial production tumbled in the U.S. as a record slide in retail sales destroyed companies’ pricing power and idled more than a quarter of factory capacity.

The cost of living fell 0.7 percent in December, capping the smallest annual increase since 1954, the Labor Department said today in Washington. Industrial output shrank 2 percent, and the capacity-utilization rate slid to 73.6 percent, the Federal Reserve said. A private survey showed consumer sentiment little changed in January.

Prices for clothing, new automobiles, airline fares and recreation all decreased last month. For all of 2008, the 3.2 percent drop in new-car prices was the biggest since 1971.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.t01.htm

They have housing up 2.4%, now I think we must all sit back and laugh at this.

They have food up 5.6%. Medical and education up. I would expect gov assisted costs to be the slowest to correct. I would expect food prices to be the stickiest in a deflationary environment. People will cut spending on food last of all. Hard to believe the 5.6% # with the recent articles about falling milk and grain prices.

 
Comment by measton
2009-01-16 13:47:10

NEW YORK (AP) — Burgeoning crude inventories pushed oil prices lower Friday with yet another major energy group predicting demand will fall again this year in a widening recession.
In its closely watched monthly survey, the Paris-based International Energy Agency cited “the relentless worsening of global economic conditions” as it reduced its global demand expectations by 1 million barrels, to 85.3 million barrels a day.

It would mark the first time in more than a quarter century that global demand fell in consecutive years.

“This is more than just your average bear market,” said Michael Lynch, president of Strategic Energy & Economic Research. “There’s so much pent up inventory in terms of cars, houses, industrial equipment. It’s going to take a long time to get out of this.”

 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-16 13:47:24

California moved closer to delaying tax refunds and other payments to preserve dwindling cash in the state, in a new indication that the state’s budget crisis is worsening.

Among the payments Mr. Chiang said he would order delayed for 30 days include the tax refunds due to millions of individuals and businesses. He said the state would also delay payments to state vendors, local governments expecting aid for social programs, and individuals expecting rent or food assistance.

WSJ

 
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Comment by vozworth
2009-01-16 14:11:10

“FINRA has found no evidence of trades by Bernie Madoff on behalf of his private investment fund through Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities, a commercial brokerage founded in 1960.

This appears to be a brick in the wall of ‘rogue trader’ status. He could do it himself because he made no trades at all.

However this was not Bernie’s only commercial operation in the securities business, in addition to his now nefarious private fund.

Primex was registered as Primex Holdings, L.L.C. in NYS in October of 1998. Primex is a joint venture involving a digital trading auction which operates out of Bernie’s 18th floor office at 885 Third Ave.

Madoff’s business partners in the Primex Exchange were Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, and Merrill Lynch.

Did Bernie give any business to this joint venture? Did any of the above brokers have any investments or losses with the Madoff Fund? If not why not? It was one of the most successful funds, on paper, on the Street?

More questions than answers. Let’s hope this one does not disappear down a black hole like the enormous put option positions placed on the airline stocks just prior to 9/11.”

-theory #1. The money is hiding in plain site.

Comment by measton
2009-01-16 14:40:12

Headline

Madoff’s fund may not have made a single trade

Is there any way the SEC could have missed this, I think not. 50 billion dollar fund returning 20% a year with no evidence of making trades ????????????????????????????????

My guess is he dies in his apt, and is swiftly taken to the morgue, where he is pronounced dead and cremated within 15 minutes. Then we will read in the Dubai/UAE daily news about a new billionaire who just purchased a string of those sand islands shaped into letters that spell SUCKERS.

Comment by polly
2009-01-16 17:10:15

Religious Jews don’t do cremation. His family would want to bury him within 24 hours. Someone else know if NYC requires an autopsy when an apparently healthy person dies? I’d guess yes, but that is not based on any actual knowledge or research.

Come on guys. Enough with the conspiracy theories. Conspiracies happen less than you think. Especially ones that require more than 2 or 3 people to keep their mouths shut.

Comment by vozworth
2009-01-16 19:25:42

its not about him gettin killed. dudes gonna live till he dont.

The “Private Exchanges” are the birth mother to the Hedge Funds…the shadow banking system.

For every US bank that goes under, 2 Hedge Funds go under.

If 500 US banks fail, 1000 Hedge funds utter a whimper….

We got number one aught nine US Bank failure today.

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Comment by vozworth
2009-01-16 20:07:10

ust got #2 aughth nine US bank failure…good thing its a longgggg weekend.

 
 
 
 
Comment by vozworth
2009-01-16 19:08:43

does anyone remember the beginning of these “Private Exchanges”

Hoz does, very little press coverage at the time….almost like a whisper….

Great Ceasers Ghost.

The money is right in plain site….

Theory #2: If the money, the big paper going to size, is not in plain site, the money will begin to move in the same direction.

Comment by vozworth
2009-01-16 19:10:33

I think I mean, the “real” paper.

Comment by hoz
2009-01-16 21:11:40

Is that the rolling paper you use from your youth?

If you wanna make a few bucks extra, why don’t you pick up some rocks up in your sheep grazing country and sell them on EBay as “Native American ArrowHeads”? Since you don’t know how to fish, nobody would expect you to know how to make an arrowhead. Just a Lienie’s moment.

The crap grows all over the place, but the mopes only want the good weed from Kentucky.

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Comment by CrackerJim
2009-01-17 08:28:34

“-theory #1. The money is hiding in plain site.”

site=sight.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 15:16:57

10 degrees here in central South Carolina tonight! Hey OwlGore hows that global warming working out!

ROTFLMFAO!

Can I buy some carbon credits from your company to help us with the warming?

Comment by jeff saturday
2009-01-16 19:05:31

My part of the globe in SE Florida is not very warm tonight either.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-01-16 15:38:43

So much for the big windfall taxes on ‘big oil’…Up yours Marxist Waters(d) Cali.

HOUSTON (Reuters) - ConocoPhillips (NYSE:COP - News), citing a steep decline in oil and gas prices, said on Friday it will cut 4 percent of its workforce and sees big writedowns on some of its exploration.

Shares of Conoco fell nearly 3 percent in extended trading.

The third-largest U.S. oil company also set its 2009 capital expenditures at $12.5 billion, a budget the company said was ample enough to fund large development projects but down from a projected $20 billion in spending for 2008.

Conoco said the drop in oil and gas prices will affect its year-end reserves.

On a year over year basis, crude oil prices fell more than 50 percent, while natural gas prices tumbled 25 percent.

(Reporting by Anna Driver in Houston; Editing by Tim Dobbyn)

 
Comment by socal jettech
2009-01-16 17:58:53

Professor Bear /GS-

I wanted to reply to a question you asked me yesterday- you said
“In your opinion, are there adequate safeguards to prevent airlines in financial difficulty from scrimping on preventive maintenance, or avoiding replacement of planes which are too decrepit to fly safely?”

The safeguards are basically the honor system. The FAA is terribly undermanned, and really can’t police the airlines or all the General Aviation facilities. There has always been scrimping- it will get worse as the economy worsens. The saving grace is that A & P (airframe and powerplant) mechanics are by and large very honest and principled- and the fact that they are signing for the work performed or (not performed) with their license helps keep them honest. Another saving grace is that most parts are replaced or overhauled at half life- so even if they go a few hours/cycles over there is usually lots of life left in the part. The marginal players will probaby go bankrupt before the airframe really comes into play, safety wise.

Having said that- the foreign airlines are another story entirely. The Europeans and alot of the Oriental countries are even more strict than we are, but everywhere else? Its as bad or worse than you are probably imagining, I wouldn’t fly on their planes!

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-16 21:51:17

Thanks for the reassurance that honor survives in this corner of the world. Do you think banks and their regulators may some day catch on to the benefits of honor? Nah…

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-17 07:25:49

Incentives for that? None, so no.

Banking attracts a certain personality, and there is ruthless Darwinian self-selection.

Buffett failed at Salomon Brothers for a reason. His retrospective take on the subject?

“All’s well that ends.”

 
 
 
Comment by ann gogh
2009-01-16 19:40:10

Can’t wait for more of the same dismantling of our economy after tuesday. tick tick tick.
Just in today’s bits there is so much bad news.
tick tick tick. Ah hell throw us a rope!

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-16 21:52:44

Do you consider yourself too big to fail?

 
 
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