January 26, 2009

The Best News We Can Possibly Ask For

9 News reports from Colorado. “The president of the National Association of Realtors says he doesn’t know if we’ve hit the bottom in the housing crisis, but he’s hoping the new stimulus bill will help those trying to buy or sell homes. Charles McMillan spoke to 9NEWS via satellite and said the association is working closely with Congress in hopes of providing a number of aids for homebuyers and owners. Collectively, American homeowners lost more than $2 trillion dollars in home value by the end of 2008 and millions now owe more on their mortgages than their homes are worth.”

“In Colorado, the median home price is $225,000, down 11 percent from last year, according to McMillan. McMillan is very optimistic. He told 9NEWS that now is a great time to buy, since home prices are more affordable than ever. ‘Homes have always led us out of a downturn and housing will lead us through this recovery, as well,’ he said.”

The Rocky Mountain News from Colorado. “Colorado Realtors are getting hit doubly hard. First there’s the recession and second they have to pay twice the normal cost of annual licensing fees because fewer people are expected to get into or stay in the profession this year.”

“The collapsing value of homes and lack of market have hit the real-estate industry so hard that Tupper Briggs, a 35-year Realtor in Jefferson County, has run into cohorts working as checkers at Costco to pay their bills and been told by Evergreen Christian Outreach volunteers that Realtors are coming to them for free food. And those who are scraping by can’t afford increased expenses, he said.”

The Loveland Connection in Colorado. “Mortgage applications surged in early January to the highest level since July 2003 when refinancing activity exploded with the housing boom, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association. More than 80 percent of applications came from borrowers looking to refinance at better rates. The problem is fewer people qualify.”

“‘People who may have qualified for a loan as early as six months ago may not qualify now,’ said Jenifer Saltzman, senior vice president of the Colorado Bankers Association.”

“Homeowners with solid equity in their homes can probably refinance, said David Maus, president and CEO of Public Service Credit Union, ‘but that’s just not the case for Joe Plumber or the average American.’ Property values have dropped so significantly, people don’t have the equity to refinance, he said.”

“‘It may sound good that interest rates have dropped, but many people don’t have the luxury of refinancing because there’s no equity in their home or because they’ve leveraged the equity, and they already have a second mortgage,’ Maus said.”

The Arizona Daily Star. “Reality appears to have set in for local real estate agents, judging by the tone of the Tucson Association of Realtors’ annual forecast seminar. Whereas a year ago there was a sense of denial that the Tucson housing market was busting, most of the talk Friday centered on the idea that it was time to accept current conditions and find a way to adapt to them. ‘Based on the stats, we have a little further down to go,’ said Pam Devine, an agent with Realty Executives Southern Arizona.”

“Tucson’s median home price fell to $167,900 in December, a 20 percent drop from the year before and its lowest point since August 2004. Foreclosures and short sales have fueled the rapid drop, several of Friday’s speakers noted. ‘This is the price reduction that buyers, many of whom have been sitting on the fence, have been waiting for,’ Long Cos. CEO Rosey Koberlein said. ‘This is the best news we can possibly ask for.’”

“Koberlein noted that 500 pending home sales were listed on the region’s MLS Web site in the first two weeks of this year, signaling that the market might already be turning around. ‘Housing shortage’ — we may actually be saying those words in 2009,’ Koberlein said. ‘If not, then certainly in 2010.’”

LaPrensa San Diego. “As soon as he told her they wouldn’t be able to pay the mortgage, Ruben Loera’s wife’s heart clenched. She started packing away the angels and pulling down the paintings. Five months later and one step away from foreclosure, half-empty boxes are piled in a corner of the living room in their home in Maryvale, a suburb of Phoenix, Arizona.”

“Loera had been hearing tales of people losing their houses, but he never thought it would happen to his family. ‘I had to make a decision: I pay the house, or I feed my kids,’ said Loera, who migrated legally to the United States from Mexico almost 30 years ago and has a daughter and a son.”

“Loera bought his home in 2002. He had a perfectly good loan with a fixed interest rate until 2006, when he got a phone call from Countrywide Financial promising a great deal on a refinance. He was trustful, since it was the same company that gave him his first loan. ‘They told me it was money I earned that I wouldn’t have to pay,’ he recalled.”

“He used the money to pay for his daughter’s quinceañera party, a truck, and a sound system for the family’s alabanzas, a band of inspirational songs for the music ministry at their Catholic church. It took only two months for him to realize he had made a big mistake. His monthly payment jumped from $1,000 to $2,000.”

“The family started eating up their savings and then began using their credit cards. When the housing bubble burst, Loera’s $230,000 home depreciated to $180,000. At the end of 2007, he lost his job of 12 years driving a concrete mixer truck. He found another job as a painter with a commercial construction business but was laid off, along with 50 coworkers, last April. His wife’s occasional work in children’s daycare came to a halt, too.”

“When Loera got behind on his mortgage payments to Countrywide, he called the bank to get help, but they turned him down. ‘It didn’t make any sense. I was trying to prevent my credit from getting ruined. But now it’s too late,’ he said.”

“Loera’s hopes now rest with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, which is working with people of color to have financial institutions modify mortgage loans. ‘Banks almost have to listen. It’s either that or we keep the foreclosure rates going up,’ said José Velásquez, a housing counselor for ACORN.”

The Red Rock News from Arizona. “At the current rate of sale, it might take almost four years to sell all the $1 million homes currently on the local market, just one indicator that 2008 was a bad year for real estate throughout Sedona and the Verde Valley. Every measure of real estate activity in the Sedona area fell in 2008.”

“The number of foreclosure actions in 2008 topped out at 2,860, up 500 percent from a low of 525 in 2005, according to Randy Crewse, broker with Prudential Northern Arizona Real Estate. All these foreclosed homes could become ‘inventory for the late spring and early summer 2009,’ Crewse said. About 65 percent of the homes being foreclosed on are nonowner occupied. ‘These homes will just have to move through the foreclosure system,’ Crewse said, adding to inventories and depressing prices.”

“Median sale prices for single family homes in the Sedona area fell nearly 20 percent, from a high of $590,000 in 2006 to a low of $480,000 in 2008. Cumulative days on market for single family homes in the Sedona area are up 87 percent from their low in 2005. The number of transactions for homes over $1 million is down 52 percent from the high in 2006. Vacant land sales are in a basic free fall with the number of transactions off 86 percent from their high in 2005 and median sales prices are off 42 percent from the high in 2006. Things aren’t much better in the Cottonwood, Clarkdale, Jerome and Cornville areas.”

“Crewse urged real estate brokers to renew their relationships with past clients, target a small productive area and put real estate energy into it. ‘The compound effect of doing small activities over time creates magic,’ he said.”

The Review Journal from Nevada. “For the fourth straight month, Greater Las Vegas Association of Realtors statistics showed a dramatic increase in the number of local homes sold last month compared to one year ago. The total number of local single-family homes sold in December was 2,498, up 14.4 percent from 2,183 in November, and up 184.2 percent from 879 sales in December of 2007.”

“GLVAR reported that the median price of homes sold in Southern Nevada continued to decline in December, dropping to levels not seen since 2003. The median price of a single-family home sold in the Las Vegas area decreased by 5.9 percent during the month, from $186,000 in November to $175,000 in December. That’s down 32.7 percent from December of 2007.”

“For condos and townhomes, the median sales price decreased 0.9 percent from $90,750 in November to $89,900 in December. That’s down 51.4 percent from December of 2007.”

“GLVAR Presiden Sue Naumann stopped short of predicting when local home prices may rebound, but she continued to emphasize that this buyer’s market presents historic opportunities that ‘can’t last much longer.’”

“According to Prudential Americana Group CEO Mark Stark, the statistics on home sales throughout the year, and particularly in December, signify a healthy unit growth and ‘we look forward to the stabilization of sales prices.’”

“‘In December, approximately 77 percent of all homes sold were bank-owned properties, or foreclosures,’ he said. ‘And another 3 percent were short sales…I see no material change in the first two quarters of 2009 as foreclosed homes will continue to hit the marketplace.’”

“Among the bright spots in the Las Vegas real estate market last year was the shift in the types of loans that were processed as well as the reduction in overall interest rates. ‘In December, approximately 27 percent of Prudential’s home closings were cash buyers,’ said Forrest Barbee, corporate broker. ‘That indicates that the market is undervalued, because cash buyers are typically investors. Investors have begun to snap up the foreclosure homes and will wait for them to regain some value before selling them again.’”

“One other bright spot Stark saw was the overall affordability of homes. ‘People who thought in the past that home ownership was out of reach have now come to understand that they have a golden opportunity to not only purchase a home, but look forward to long-term appreciation,’ he said.”

In Business Las Vegas from Nevada. “Combined with declines in 2007, the median home price has fallen 45 percent since February 2007 when it was $288,000. Dennis Smith, the president of Home Builders Research, predicted the existing home market won’t see many more sales in 2009 and 2010 than in 2008 and that the new-home market will have fewer sales over the next three years than it did in 2008.”

“‘There is not much good news to talk about,” said Smith, who spoke Jan. 16 at the annual housing conference day sponsored by the Southern Nevada Home Builders Association. ‘I think we are at the bottom of this cycle, but it is going to be a long bottom.’”

“Foreclosures continued to drive down home prices with no end in sight. In December 2,173 homes were repossessed to bring the year’s total to 25,227, a 234 percent increase from the 9,246 homes repossessed in 2007. The number of foreclosures has exceeded 2,000 a month since April. Sixty-five percent of the resale homes sold in December, 2,031, were owned by banks, with a median closing price of $150,000.”

“The remaining 35 percent of homes sold had a median closing price of $183,000, according to SalesTraq. At the end of the year, banks had possession of 15,376 homes - the most since the housing crisis began - which means they are likely to keep cutting prices to generate sales.”

“With the condo-hotel market hard hit and many prospective owners unable to close on their units, Donald Trump has an innovative solution. The real estate developer has decided to lease units at the Trump Tower up to one year as upscale furnished apartments.”

“Realtors are hailing it as a trendsetter that may catch on with other developers such as MGM Mirage with its condo-hotel Vdara, whose sales are stagnant. Since it opened last year, Trump has closed on nearly 400 of the 1,282 units despite having contracts for nearly all of them, Realtors say. The problem has been the credit crunch, and investors’ inability to obtain the financing they need to close the sale. Many signed contracts when the condo market was hot and financing readily available.”

“High-rise Realtor Bruce Hiatt says it’s a brilliant strategy for Trump to generate more operating revenue and help establish the hotel. With the troubled economy, competition has been tight and Trump was competing with Steve Wynn’s Encore. Some staff members were let go and that reduced services, Realtors say. By bringing in more people as tenants, that will enhance services and increase jobs, they say.”

“‘I think they are on the right track to reduce inventory that is not being closed because people are walking away from their units,’ Hiatt says. ‘I think it is going to be the trend for the next couple of years.’”

The Las Vegas Sun from Nevada. “Apartment rental rates are declining along with home prices in much of Southern Nevada, reports issued in recent days show. RealFacts Inc. issued reports showing apartment rental rates and occupancy rates declined in the fourth quarter both nationwide and in the Henderson and Las Vegas markets. RealFacts said rents declined in nearly every metropolitan area in the country between September and December.”

“This is good news for renters, but overall is a negative sign for the economy by reflecting job losses and corporate cutbacks that have left fewer people looking to rent apartments. The numbers also indicate investors may be less likely to build or buy multifamily residential projects until the economy turns around.”

“‘This data for 2008 indicates that the year’s widespread economic problems have finally affected the rental market by the end of the year,’ RealFacts said. ‘The choice to invest in income property for the last several decades has been based on the assumption that rents would continue to grow. In 2009, investors are likely to evaluate rental properties based on current income alone.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2009-01-26 11:11:48

‘One of Colorado’s largest home builders, Pulte Homes in Broomfield, still has about 2,000 homes to sell, so their latest incentive is all about financing. ‘It was the financing that sealed the deal for the Cilkes. ‘It really came down to the financing; whether or not we could get the financing to work,’ Tom said. ‘That’s what drove us for finally settling on this one.’

‘The thing that we are trying to do there is create some confidence in people who maybe would like to purchase a home this year but are unsure about their ability to sell their existing home,’ Randy Carpenter with Pulte Homes said.’

Not knowing exactly what’s been going on at this site, I can’t say that the builder will undercut Tom, but it has happened before. And isn’t encouraging people to buy before they sell a little suspect?

Comment by Aspiring One-Armed Economist (walt526)
2009-01-26 11:32:40

I’m extremely depressed that we’re still reading stories about this…

2005 or 2006? Okay, they got caught up in the mania.

2007 or early 2008? Allright, maybe a little slow on the uptake, or maybe they’re just overly optimistic.

But second half 2008 or 2009? People who buy before selling are just inviting disaster and are demonstrating a profound lack of basic intelligence.

Comment by rusty
2009-01-26 13:33:06

You’d be surprised how many bubble people are still out in the cold even in this day and age. Our neighbor put his house on the market this very weekend. His price? 60 thousand more than he paid for it in 2005. His reasoning? They upgraded the kitchen!

He was seemingly in a hurry to sell, asking everybody that came to the garage sale if they were looking for a house. After looking at the numbers, I noticed they were the next to last purchase in our neighborhood, and bought way out of proportion to what it should have been. He’ll come down soon enough. The comps in the area are at least 65k less than what he is asking for.

Nice house. We are eyeballing it as our next rental in 6 months when he still hasn’t sold it.

 
Comment by DebtinNation
2009-01-26 14:33:55

Some people only learn by going to J.T. University. Sigh. . .

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-01-26 17:50:18

You have one arm? That’s the sort of tantalizing detail that should be elaborated upon.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-01-26 22:14:20

Right, huh? It’s kinda like when people say, “Hey, guess what happened to me today?” and then when you inquire they follow it up with, “Oh, you know what…never mind.”

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Comment by Houston Observer
2009-01-26 18:55:53

But second half 2008 or 2009? People who buy before selling are just inviting disaster and are demonstrating a profound lack of basic intelligence.

Or maybe the previous house is paid off and they have plenty of cash for a downpayment. That’s the situation I find myself in now, except for the buying-another-house part.

 
 
 
Comment by DirtDog
2009-01-26 11:13:56

‘Housing shortage’ — we may actually be saying those words in 2009,’ Koberlein said. ‘If not, then certainly in 2010.’”

[John McEnroe]You cannot be serious!!![/John McEnroe]

Comment by Rintoul
2009-01-26 11:17:51

That’s some funny stuff right there.

Comment by Ben Jones
2009-01-26 11:39:00

It’s hard to top this one:

‘They told me it was money I earned that I wouldn’t have to pay,’ he recalled.’

Comment by WT Economist
2009-01-26 11:47:09

PT Barnum — a sucker born every minute. An investor was on the other end of that disaster. And now, as taxpayers, we all are.

Lots of us got those calls, letters, “checkbooks” in the mail. And not everyone is so smart.

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Comment by Blano
2009-01-26 12:21:25

That is a classic.

I’m not sure which is worse….saying it, or believing it.

Maybe that should be the motto for this whole thing.

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Comment by the_economist
2009-01-26 12:28:13

Actually I think this part is even funnier:

He used the money to pay for his daughter’s quinceañera party, a truck, and a sound system for the family’s alabanzas, a band of inspirational songs for the music ministry at their Catholic church

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Comment by james
2009-01-26 13:32:57

Back in the good ole days, long ago, some less reputable friends of mine registered a Mortimer Mouse.

Seems he took out a bunch of credit cards and lived dangerously for a while. Sadly, when the credit card company came looking for Mortimer, they found he had a rather bad run in with some cheese and a trap.

I think eventually the charges got dropped against the fraternity and the money was paid back.

Mortimer seemed to have learned his lesson too.

The bank.

Well, they didn’t make it through the 90s bubble.

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Comment by mikey
2009-01-26 14:18:31

Yup..the house was just sweating so equity money that he had to buy “a band of inspirational songs for the music ministry at their Catholic church” to relieve the hydrostatic pressure…

and the band played on….:)

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Comment by In Montana
2009-01-26 15:44:52

a band of songs? I’m not getting that.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Aspiring One-Armed Economist (walt526)
2009-01-26 11:34:38

[John McEnroe]You cannot be serious!!![/John McEnroe]

[Heath Ledger]Why so serious?[/Heath Ledger]

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-01-26 12:23:52

Y’all would be interested to know that Koberlein’s prediction of a 2010 housing shortage got shot down in the Arizona Daily Star story’s online comments.

So, Slim wants to know who all of those HBB kindred spirits are here in Tucson. And when shall we have our meetup in person?

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-26 15:37:27

Arizona Slim,

You posted a recipie for bladder infection a couple of days ago. Can you please repost?

Thank you.

Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2009-01-26 17:13:39

Do you really need a recipe for that? Are you cooking for your mother-in-law or a secret enemy? And what are the ingredients? One part yeast to two parts rusty nail, add a pinch of pepper so it really burns? :D

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-26 17:19:30

Be nice :)

For someone I kno. Hopefully this would work better for her than the antibiotics.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-26 17:22:35

kno=know

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-01-26 17:38:26

try fresh garlic.. maybe one or two cloves per day.. chewed.. it’s hot as pepper so it takes some getting used to.
Search “garlic” and you’ll read that it’s healing powers approach those of some miracle drug in many people’s view. While exactly which garlic-compounds are responsible for it’s various effects is still mostly unknown in most cases, the basic chemical science is well known and accepted.

Garlic’s use as an antibacterial goes back to the earliest recorded times.. In recent pre-antibiotic days, during WW1, some millions of pounds of garlic were purchased by the US Army.. a paste was applied to field wounds and is credited for preventing lots of infection and death.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-26 20:42:10

joey,

thank you.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-01-26 22:32:47

Of course it’s a miracle drug, what with its ability to repel realtors and mortgage brokers.

Oh, my bad. I meant it repels blood-sucking vampires. Sometimes I get it confused with other drugs.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-01-26 22:43:05

you’re welcomed..
There’s only a few cautions I can recall as to it’s use.

Besides being an antifungal, antibiotic, anti-parasitic and anti-several other things (due mainly to a variety of sulfur compounds that may be produced and may travel to different organs by different pathways, depending on several variables), garlic also reduces high blood pressure by expanding blood vessels, and you’ll bleed more easily.

So, if you’re going to the dentist or having surgery, you’re supposed to stop eating it a couple days prior.
Don’t use it at all if you’re taking anticoagulants (blood thinner) or hypoglycemics (diabetes drugs).

btw, commercial preparations and pills, like from holistic/health outlets, it’s generally agreed, range from less effective to useless. They havent found a way to process garlic without really messing it up.

Most of those compounds circulating in the blood eventually exit via the lungs (and so can attack upper and lower respiratory infections of various sorts) and this is the reason for the bad breath, which can last a while.. there are tricks to minimize it… I don’t mean feed garlic to everyone you come in contact with but that might help.

Allergic reactions are rare.. I don’t know enough about it (or the patient) to say more.. i’d recommend a search.. maybe consult a doctor. The web has info pages copied from 1800’s manuscripts and earlier and up through to the present day. I’d give much more credence to the modern stuff.

 
 
 
Comment by 85701 is overrated
2009-01-26 17:34:21

Excellent idea!

Comment by ahansen
2009-01-27 01:35:01

Unsweetened cranberry concentrate (from your health store,) mixed 1:4 in pure water…lots of it. NO SUGAR, no Oceanspray-type “juice,” or mixer. Just concentrate and water until the burning goes away. (It will after a couple gallons or so of the stuff.) Lay of the ahem, source of the irritation for a few days, take sitz baths and keep an eye out for fever, dizziness– the usual. If you’re still paranoid, get a culture done after you’ve finished the bottle of concentrate.

Folk cure. Not medical advice…just danged effective broke college girlfriend advice.

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Comment by Sagesse
2009-01-26 11:15:43

I wonder, who are these people who buy condo hotel units. What is going on in their head. Is there a shortage of calculators or something.

Comment by DinOR
2009-01-26 12:28:37

Yeah my wife and I went to look at one in the Taft District in Lincoln City, OR just for a goof on a rainy Saturday back in ‘06. The units were actually quite nice but we were told there were numerous construction defects that had to be corrected and was a major mess with all of the “owners” getting involved.

The realtor at the place was reasonable enough but referred me to another back in Portland. When I had questions about how this all pencils out all the guy could say was “Just make them an offer and see how it works out!?” I couldn’t believe what I was hearing? Oh, I get it, make an offer and THEN find out about it? No thanks.

Comment by Sagesse
2009-01-26 15:07:02

The fees are much higher than a regular HOA because they need to pay for the staff. In case your unit happens to be actually rented out, you pay a huge junk of that “rental income” to the ‘hotel’ part of the operation. On the other hand, they try to skimp on staff (too few or unskilled etc), in order to keep the costs down, so it is not really run as well as a comparable hotel.
You have no way of knowing how well that ‘hotel’ part is managed before you buy, and you have no say in how much of the rental ‘income’ they skim off the top. A management company for a vacation condo takes 50 percent, these condo hotels probably more. The price per night is as much or often more than in a hotel.

Probably many of the newer ones have very shoddy construction and shoddy furnishings and terrible management. The owner often has no input on the decor of ‘his’ unit, so the ownership pride may be restricted to looking at a deed that he pays through the roof for, and that has made the developer rich.

Maybe they are an ‘ego’ thing, but ‘ego’ bubbles will disappear with all the others in the near future, hopefully.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-01-26 22:34:16

WTF? Lincoln City has a “district”?

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-01-26 22:35:30

Oh, I forgot this:

:rolleyes:

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Comment by DebtinNation
2009-01-26 14:38:14

I don’t see how people bought “condo-tels” even during the bubble! Clearly they weren’t buying them as a primary residence, clearly they NEVER penciled out as an investment (even using wishful numbers), and clearly if you want a place to vacation, it’s a lot cheaper to rent a hotel.

Comment by DinOR
2009-01-26 15:13:23

DebtinNation,

Or rather -because- of the bubble that we chose to even bother to explore them? By 2006 beach houses with a view ( let alone ‘right’ on the beach ) in Oregon were going for asinine amounts! I mean rapidly weathering dumps going for 3/4 of a mil.

But as with all Bubble Math in spite of what ‘could’ have been a sensible proposal/alternative it quickly became just a bubble in a different package. Just another way to rape people. What appealed to us was that we wouldn’t really be responsible for any maint. and we sure… wouldn’t want to spend any time there other than just for the summer.

 
Comment by Sagesse
2009-01-26 15:19:17

I have seen a few that were older, and were in a prime locations, there are many in Florida like that, where there is no direct competition from hotels. Because they were older, they were probably also, well, can we say at least
‘affordable’ for a certain clientele, initially.
They have now jacked up their hotel prices to lofty heights, in pace with the overall inflationary trend, and maybe their owners actually come out ahead, who knows. These older properties have often a ‘club’ atmosphere, and often, well -they feel completely dead. Or, at least, I feel half dead there; not much sign of life (you’d be surprised how many there are like this), owned by older Nuawkahs. Who will occupy them all?

Comment by DinOR
2009-01-26 16:16:01

Sagesse,

Your observations aren’t lost on me. The concerns you raise are the very ones as to why we never jumped in. To their credit, the one in Lincoln City, OR was trying to make an effort. They were forced to almost completely re-do the entire building. I saw the elevator as a real detractor and the first thing to go when times got tight.

It was just an effort on our part to investigate “living small” as opposed to, well… you know! It didn’t take a lot of further digging to realize the model ( as presented ) didn’t have a chance in hell of breaking even, let alone showing a profit!

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-01-26 22:56:33

Inn at Spanish Head?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-01-26 11:22:23

“Loera’s hopes now rest with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, which is working with people of color to have financial institutions modify mortgage loans. ‘

Well, dadgummit, I’m a color, too! I happen to be bright translucent white with some pink bits here and there and some fluffy yellow stuff on top and some light blue veins you can see through my skin, pulsing busily away here by my temples. Pulsing extra hard right now, by the way, as I get worked up into a state of wrath.
So, being’s I’m so colorful like a little rainbow, where’s MY mortgage modification? Huh huh huh?
Seriously, I’m beginning to get just a wee bit grouchy about all these ‘victim’s’ groups. I COULD have been as stupid as anyone, certainly as stupid as this Loera guy was, and bought myself a truck and doo-dads and birthday parties, only I DIDN’T.

Comment by HARM
2009-01-26 11:27:27

LOL –you’re a blog treasure, Olympiagal!

 
Comment by Mo Money
2009-01-26 11:35:44

I think I’m getting excited, tell us more…..

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-01-26 13:12:44

Oh, you liked that lascivious vein talk, huh? Well, okay, then.

*lowers voice into a suggestive hoarse murmur and flutters eyelashes enticingly*

Mo Moneeeeey, I have little blue veins allllll overrrrrr my bodyyyyy, I’m wearing a whole circulatory system and it’s all just pulsing slowly away doing that oxygen exchange business…I can see the spidery azure tubes wending their way inside my elbows, no, I mean inside BOTH elbows…and I reach down and fondle my blood vessels…
…would you like me to describe my diastolic pressure in sordid detail?
(Because that’ll be $2.99 a minute. But well worth it.)

Oh, you know what, I forgot to mention I am ALSO covered with colorful bruises in various shades of purple, blue, brown and a rather alarming greenish yellow. I bashed myself up pretty good at the Inauguration Party I put on last week. Of course, that’s easy to do, because I have a delicate hide and bruise very easily, just like a peach. A big peach that likes to climb trees and run around in the forest at night and isn’t as coordinated as it thinks it is, particularly when the peach is full of beer. So to speak.

Anyway, my point is, whether or not I’m a peach, I’m colorful, and therefore clearly qualify for mortgage modification, and I think that we can all agree on that.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2009-01-26 14:08:54

How come whenever theres a problem, the banks always wind up on top?

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Comment by reuven
2009-01-26 12:53:17

I absolutely agree! This “people of color” category is obscene! I can understand in some limited contexts offering special consideration to descendants of American Slaves or Native Americans, but this broad brush is simply wrong.

The Left here in Northern California considers “Palestinians” to be “People of Color”. Two of my four grandparents were born in Gaza City, kicked out by the Arabs in 1928. So now I check “non-white, other” when I’m asked for that voluntary information on certains state forms. (Of course, I’m not really considered by the Left to be a Person of Color because I’m the wrong religion!)

Comment by MountainViewJason
2009-01-26 15:26:35

They are not allowed to question your response on those forms…So I pick a category at random other than what I am every time I fill one in.

 
 
Comment by Joe Lawyer
2009-01-26 18:56:12

Don’t be fooled. This evolution of the economy is going to see “people of color” seeking and receiving assistance from the government.

Whites need not apply.

This has been in the cards since the start.

Comment by bulwark
2009-01-26 20:11:11

Nor did whites need to apply for the Presidency with an affirmative action choice available.

 
Comment by oxide
2009-01-27 06:36:12

Those bankers who sucked billions off of TARP looked pretty lily-white to me.

 
 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2009-01-26 11:23:18

What an embarrassing collection of stories for realtors. Rather than be quoted asserting some of this malarkey about shortages and magic, I’d want to hide my head in shame after what the last eight years have wrought, but perhaps that’s why I’m not a realtor.

Comment by Muggy
2009-01-26 11:27:06

“What an embarrassing collection of stories for realtors.”

Exactly what I thought. I love this one:

“The president of the National Association of Realtors says he doesn’t know if we’ve hit the bottom in the housing crisis, but he’s hoping the new stimulus bill will help those trying to buy or sell homes.”

Wait, I always thought a realtor was there to help you buy a cozy home… Now they’re also hopeful they can help you dump your POS chitbox on the next buytard out there?

I love how he doesn’t connect the two, like: hey, I don’t care if you’re buying or selling, but do something, I’m constipated over here.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-01-26 11:28:57

‘buytard’

I like that one.

Comment by DinOR
2009-01-26 12:38:13

“dump your POS”

Hard to believe at this late stage of the game there are still some out there that believe anything is left to even salvage? Not long ago *orangetabby noted that many REIC playas are more than willing and ready to “re-charge” the game and start everything all over again! Here’s the proof.

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-26 15:44:39

I had to read it twice after your comment Olympiagal. I thought Muggy said “buttard” :)

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-01-26 16:20:17

‘buttard’

Hey, I like that one, too!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by abdul rahim is emperor
2009-01-26 12:01:21

you have 2 of those criminals saying “great time to buy” and
“historic opportunities that ‘can’t last much longer.’”

why aren’t these NAR criminals being lynched in the street?!

Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-01-26 12:21:47

Because the Cool aid is long lasting. The proles are yet to wake up to the reality of house pricing not going up in a long time. They are stuck in group think mode where prices will eventually shoot back up to the moon, and everything will be ok..
When they wake up… They will have another episode of American Idol to watch.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-01-26 12:31:51

No, because lynching them will absolve them of all their problems. I’d infinitely prefer to see they be allowed to live but with 2% of their commission going toward the repayment of TARP/TAF/TSLF etc. etc.

Why isn’t anyone talking about ‘that’?

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-01-26 12:10:49

“…been told by Evergreen Christian Outreach volunteers that Realtors are coming to them for free food. And those who are scraping by can’t afford increased expenses…”

The nasty thing is that many people who really don’t need the help come by and scam some freebies off of charities. If these guys really are “scraping by”, maybe they should get used to road-kill chilli. That gives a whole new meaning to the term “scraping by”.

We get a lot of road-kill around here, from the sublime (ringneck pheasant) to the unsavory (badger) to the totally gross (skunk).

I don’t see why the realty licence fees should go up. With fewer realtors, the licensing board has fewer reasons to spend money prosecuting unethical behavior on the part of the members. I would hazard a guess that the “marginal” realtors who are now in the breadlines were more likely to be unethical so when they are “retired” now there is even less reason for the licensing boards to spend money.

Comment by Mo Money
2009-01-26 12:24:26

Once upon a time not that long ago being a Realtor was a respectable *part-time* job dominated by women as it wasn’t expected to bring in hundreds of thousands in commissions every year. You didn’t expect to drive a top of the line Mercedes and you certainly didn’t expect to be the main breadwinner.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-01-26 14:44:19

When I was growing up, one of my neighbors was a part-time real estate agent. I don’t think she stuck with it for very long because it was a job that required w-o-r-k. And she wasn’t into that.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-01-26 14:38:02

Realtywhores can’t eat roadkill !

That might be construed as Cannibalism by the NAR Ethic’s Board :)

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-01-26 12:31:11

From the original post:

“Tucson’s median home price fell to $167,900 in December, a 20 percent drop from the year before and its lowest point since August 2004. Foreclosures and short sales have fueled the rapid drop, several of Friday’s speakers noted. ‘This is the price reduction that buyers, many of whom have been sitting on the fence, have been waiting for,’ Long Cos. CEO Rosey Koberlein said. ‘This is the best news we can possibly ask for.’”

And here’s Slim to put some real-life numbers on the table.

Here in Tucson, the median income is around $44k. Which means that the median house price should be (’scuse me while I slip into REIC-speak) in the low 130s.

If you have a hankering for SFR rental property, well, first of all you should have your head examined, but that’s just my opinion. (I’ve heard too many horror stories about tenants and what they do to houses.)

But I digress.

If you’re looking to rent out your casa, expect to find some price resistance once your monthly rent gets into the four figures. Which means that, if we’re doing 100-120 times the monthly rent for your purchase price, count on paying $100k-$120k.

Oh, I should mention that there are a lot of other rental houses on the market right now. Seems that a lot of peeps can’t get their wishing prices, so they’ll “just rent it until the market improves.”

Comment by flint 'burbs
2009-01-26 14:21:54

They (and the banks) will finally get it when they have to pay someone to be at each house - to safeguard their “investment” instead of collecting rent (and rolling in dough!). Three shifts of home-guarding, shoveling walks, keeping water heaters, pools, and garbage disposals working, cleaning and pest control, too.
What is a long bottom anyway? Is that like droopy drawers?

 
Comment by DebtinNation
2009-01-26 14:57:08

My parents just rented from some douchebag that thought the market was going to improve. They got the notice of default back in July or August and didn’t pay a dime more until they had to move out a week ago.

Comment by DinOR
2009-01-26 15:21:05

DebtinNation,

I’m very sorry to hear that. I think we all are. This is a large part of why I’ve been so adamant that bubble-sitting isn’t nearly as easy as it looks. Especially if it’s been years and you have too much stuff to consider an apartment.

The first time I said, “No problem, when do you want us out of here so you can sell it for a huge profit?” The -next- time wasn’t nearly as easy so we just counter-offerd w/ a lowball and the guy was so over extended he just accepted it. Even though it was 20k lower than an identical unit he also sold at the same time directly below us.

Comment by DebtinNation
2009-01-27 14:46:10

At least by the time they got kicked out, their ave. monthly rent (even with losing their security deposit) was about half of what their lease contract was for. But still a pain in the ass moving and all.

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Comment by reuven
2009-01-26 12:42:50

Collectively, American homeowners lost more than $2 trillion dollars in home value by the end of 2008 and millions now owe more on their mortgages than their homes are worth.”

These statements are absolutely meaningless. It’s like saying beanie-baby owners lost $2 Trillion dollars in value.

Homes that weren’t participating in a transaction had no loss of value. Especially because if those homes WERE on the market, then they wouldn’t have had that imaginary value.

Comment by DinOR
2009-01-26 15:24:56

reuven,

Spot on. It never existed to begin with. Kind of sounds like Frank Zappa lyrics, “Are those ‘real’ dollars or are those Zillow Dollars?”

Comment by DennisN
2009-01-26 17:52:48

I don’t know about that…

I’m always mad when losers state “well it was only a loss on paper”. NO - those were real dollars that you chose to ignore.

Heck I sold out in May 2006, and I assure you those dollars I banked are real honest-to-god dollars. If you were paying attention and actually owned property (e.g. had real equity, not a HELOC shell of a house), you could have bailed and pocketed the profits.

Comment by boethius
2009-01-26 18:58:26

yep, the dollars were/are real and tax free too….bailed myself in spring ‘07 thanks to this blog

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Comment by CA renter
2009-01-27 06:46:00

But to reuven’s point, if EVERYBODY decided to sell “at the top” then those bubble values would be exposed as totally fake to begin with.

Reuven said that only homes that had sales transactions made or lost money. The owners who sat this thing out didn’t gain or lose anything.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by reuven
2009-01-26 12:47:40

Now, which is working with people of color to have financial institutions modify mortgage loans

Rats! If only I had a mortgage, I could get a free house, simply because I’m a person of color!

Comment by NoSingleOne
2009-01-26 14:11:09

White people are getting them too, don’t worry. The folks of color frequently don’t know how to initiate the process.

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-01-26 14:16:11

But.. black and white are not colors.

Comment by skroodle
2009-01-26 21:24:29

White is all colors together.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-01-27 06:04:58

Obviusly, you’ve never tried that with crayons.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-01-27 04:03:17

My color is seasonal.

 
 
Comment by hunkydory
2009-01-26 14:01:29

‘This is the price reduction that buyers, many of whom have been sitting on the fence, have been waiting for,’ Long Cos. CEO Rosey Koberlein said. ‘This is the best news we can possibly ask for.’”

‘Housing shortage’ — we may actually be saying those words in 2009,’ Koberlein said. ‘If not, then certainly in 2010.’”

….what an unconscionable bastard. My prediction: Rosey Koberlein will be tarred & feathered in 2009. If not, then certainly in 2010…

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-01-26 14:42:39

Rosey’s office is just a short bike ride away from the Arizona Slim Ranch. And I have a feather in one of my hats. Anyone have some extra tar?

Comment by mikey
2009-01-26 14:51:21

Run over her on your bike Slim, she’ll never hear you coming :)

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-01-26 15:30:34

Yeah, but then I’d have to clean the bike. Ever seen what REIC roadkill does to a two wheeler?

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Comment by slb
2009-01-26 14:21:43

McMillan of Colorado “Homes have always led us out of a downturn and housing will lead us through this recovery, as well…”
I am not an economist, so can someone please tell me which of the 19 US recessions, starting with the panic of 1819, did housing ‘led us out of’?
Trying to reinflate the bubble after it burst is nonsense. Maybe they should have propped up Tulip prices in Amsterdam after that crash, or the gov’t should buy stocks every time a speculative runup happens to ‘restore’ the lost value after the crash, or how about throwing money @ railroads after their speculative bubbles burst?

Comment by Carl Morris
2009-01-26 15:39:04

Yeah, I was wondering how long “always” was when I read that.

Comment by Michael Viking
2009-01-26 16:25:32

What I heard was some sort of veiled “we got you into this mess; we’ll get you out!” message/threat.

 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-01-26 15:47:35

You’re misunderstanding the context.
Home sales have always led home builders and realtards out of recessions. They have never led anyone else out of a recession, and never will.

Comment by CA renter
2009-01-27 06:48:16

Right.

Improving real estate markets are a signal that the real (non-housing) economy might be improving. Housing itself doesn’t “lead” anything.

 
 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-26 15:53:45

Did you notice the contradiction in the Las Vegas housing.

On one hand Donald Trump has an innovative solution (please feel free to laugh, howl and snicker). The real estate developer has decided to lease units at the Trump Tower up to one year as upscale furnished apartments.

On the other hand “apartment rental rates are declining along with home prices in much of Southern Nevada, reports issued in recent days show. RealFacts Inc. issued reports showing apartment rental rates and occupancy rates declined in the fourth quarter both nationwide and in the Henderson and Las Vegas markets. RealFacts said rents declined in nearly every metropolitan area in the country between September and December.”

Do you think his hairstyle has become ingrown?

Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2009-01-26 18:42:19

“Do you think his hairstyle has become ingrown?”

Thanks, I needed a good laugh on a bleak Monday. :)

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-01-26 19:17:31

What got me was the attempt to claim that Trump’s building is in competition with the Encore. It may be across the street, but Encore is in another league altogether.
I’d been to the Wynn opening.. but on Encore’s opening night they had guards standing in the walkway and wouldn’t let me in unless I had a room.. so i went the next day and gathered my souveniers.

Trump’s Vegas competition is the 25,000 or so vacant REO condos and homes, just like everyone else.

 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2009-01-26 15:55:41

As I mentioned earlier, my company switched 401(k) providers. Well today I had a meeting with the advisor from the new company. I laid out my beleifs on the economy. He didn’t try to argue with me.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-01-26 17:52:35

Among the bright spots in the Las Vegas real estate market…
…approximately 27 percent of Prudential’s home closings were cash buyers,’ said Forrest Barbee, corporate broker. ‘That indicates that the market is undervalued, because cash buyers are typically investors.”

I find that conclusion curious. In my experience, investors commonly struggle to leverage their cash to the greatest degree.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-01-26 19:01:32

looks like i mighta forgot to close italics..

Comment by calex
2009-01-27 06:15:28

Not only that, but you forgot to mention that there are currently 5.5 housing units per person in Las Vegas/Henderson. Their is also 1000.5 hotel units per visitor as the place is dead.

 
 
 
Comment by Quark
2009-01-26 23:53:22

These idiots will call the “bottom” for the next 5 years, and that won’t make it a reality.

Good grief - WHO CARES what the RE shills say?! Just how stupid is it to repeat the same lies over and over and over and over and . . . .

 
Comment by Tyler Hurst
2009-02-21 20:58:27

Yes, but now is the perfect time to buy new houses. Prices are down to levels a few years ago, and if you’re not worried about flipping in the next year, a home is still a quality investment.

Anyone in the southwest area agree?

 
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