January 27, 2009

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Comment by Suffolk_Them
2009-01-27 06:59:24

January 26, 2009 6:05 PM

Credit storms lash Hamptons real estate

The Hamptons’ residential market took another beating from a floundering economy in the final quarter of 2008, with prices and sales volumes both dropping significantly from levels in the fourth quarter of 2007, according to a report released Tuesday.

The number of sales in the posh far end of Long Island plummeted 41.3% to 257 in the fourth quarter.

“What you are seeing here is similar to parts of the city,” said Jonathan Miller, president of Miller Samuel, adding that for the last four years, with the exception of one quarter, there has been a decline in transactions. “The drop is attributable to the credit contraction and uncertainty with Wall Street in terms of unemployment and compensation.”

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090127/FREE/901269949/0/information

 
Comment by dude
2009-01-27 07:00:15

Bernanke Risks `Very Unstable’ Bond Market as He Ponders Buying Treasuries

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and his colleagues may try once again to cure the aftermath of a bubble in one kind of asset by overheating the market for another.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aZ0bwWpcnFaM&refer=exclusive

Comment by packman
2009-01-27 08:31:18

OK so dumb question - when it comes to U.S. treasuries as an asset - - unlike the housing and equity bubbles, the only variable (for the most part) is the demand side, not the supply side right?

With most asset bubbles - if the demand side goes down, then prices follow, and then the supply side follows in reaction. That’s what we’re seeing now very much with housing of course (i.e. record low housing starts).

However how can that happen with treasuries? Sure the demand side can go down, and that can bring prices down - but then what? The U.S. government can’t just say “well these things aren’t selling, we’ll have to cut back production.” They have to keep producing and selling them or else they go bankrupt.

Perhaps I’m answering my own question, but I wanted to get others’ thoughts. It appears that the government is getting so desperate for buyers of treasury bonds already that they’re having to use the Fed as a “lender of last resort”. This is happening just as we’re starting the latest upturn in the debt slope.

Are we as hosed here as I think we are?

Comment by nhz
2009-01-27 08:46:08

just like with other bubbles, prices will follow: in this case probably in the form of a huge dollar crash. Looks like HeliBen is not afraid of the ultimate experiment in economics … stay tuned, maybe more news tomorrow :)

 
Comment by 45north
2009-01-27 08:53:32

The U.S. government can’t just say “well these things aren’t selling, we’ll have to cut back production.”

No, it cannot.

 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2009-01-27 09:16:32

They aren’t using the Fed as the lender of last resort. I bet the government would LOVE the price of treasuries to come down, as that would mean people were moving money to riskier assets that desperately need buyers.

Is the Fed buying treasuries? Sure! That is the normal mechanism by which the seed money for the economy gets injected into the economy. The Fed REALLY doesn’t want to be buying stuff like MBS and ABS, but they’ve been forced to. They would much, much, much prefer that citizens would get OUT of the treasuries and into the other stuff.

That said, we DO have to worry about the supply side of treasuries too. $5 trillion in publically held debt. Something like $2 trillion will be added to that this fiscal year through $1 trillion budget deficit, 1/2 the $800 billion stimulus and $700 billion TARP.

A stack of $100 bills, 140 miles high!

Comment by Watching the Carnage
2009-01-27 15:34:16

More like:

5 Trillion/$100 = 5 billion $100 bills. Figure a stack of 100 circulated bills = 1 inch in thickness (just verified with live 1$ bills). We now have 5 billion inches of bills.

Divide by 5B/12 to get feet = 416,666,666 feet.

Divide that by 5280 (feet/mile) and you actually get a stack of $100 bills…get ready

78,914 MILES HIGH!!!!!

Imagine the math with the bills laid end to end. My guess is you could probably wallpaper the globe. But that math is beyond my simple calculator based stuff.

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Comment by Watching the Carnage
2009-01-27 15:45:56

Okay,

Upon review I’ve got a little math problem here - I’m only off by a factor of two decimal points - but heck, a 7,800 mile high stack of hundreds is still awe inspiring.

Shoot me - I’m in sales.

 
Comment by Watching the Carnage
2009-01-27 15:51:49

Prof Bear,

Need your help on this one - my head’s swimming with 000’s. If you were to use the same 1 inch/hundred I’m curious what you come up with.

Calculator put safely away…fresh beer cracked.

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-01-27 22:50:49

LOL!

Enjoy your beer. ;)

 
 
 
Comment by bobo
2009-01-27 11:37:20

You can change the supply side as well, as an example the 825B stimulus will increase the supply of treasuries, potentially driving down price and increasing yield. The gov could also restrict supply by cutting expenses, gov programs, etc… which it may be forced to do if the demand is lacking.

Bernanke has been publicly pontificating the idea of buying treasuries for a few weeks now, which has driven the yield down/prices up. He is threatening it again to keep the yields from appreciating, (it has gone up quite quickly through yesterday). But here is another dilemma for Ben… by forcing yields down with actual purchases, investors will want to leave treasuries when supply is ramping up. So Ben has to buy more, and it could spiral. (BTW, where is Ben getting the money? print?) Ben could let yields rise naturally, but then those rates are the base for mortgages, and we all know what happens if mortgage interest rates go up.

If Ben cannot hold rates down, then the gov is forced to restrict new supply… this will end future stimulus, national health care, entitlement spending, infra spending, etc. I’d say Ben is a gambler, I just can’t figure out how many chips he still has. One thing is certain, his earlier plays have done poorly and he keeps pressing his bets.

Comment by ButImNotDeadYet
2009-01-27 20:50:48

Yes, Ben Bernanke is like the poker player who keeps going “All In” after every losing hand. The house security (Bush, Obama, Paulson, etc.) never asks him to leave the casino, so everyone assumes he’s good for it.

Eventually the other players at the table are going to figure out that he’s not really backed up by anything…

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Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-01-27 07:02:13

It seems that the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming freight train…
http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2009/01/mass_home_price_2.html

Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2009-01-27 07:30:26

my whole tribe is from NE
no one ever goes back- surprised they are as firm as they are

 
Comment by hd74man
2009-01-27 08:00:28

RE: the light at the end of the tunnel

Front page story in the Beantown Glob about how the Boston and envrions restaurant biz finds itself rapidly gettin’ flushed down the crapper.

Deval Patrick’s response?

Slap’em with a 3% local meals tax to replace collapsing state aid funds.

WTF-Gotta keep those state cops in their 5-Series BMW’s and atop their $30k custom Harley-Davidsons.

Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-01-27 08:09:12

The elected electric comissioner in my town earns 185K. No previous knowledge about actually running a line is needed… Nice perks, as long as you do not pi$$ off the selectmen, who will promply have you arrested, and thrown in jail, under charges of embezzlement and false investing.
Just google up north attleboro electric commissioner scandal, and you shall read how nice the small townies around here really are.

Comment by polly
2009-01-27 09:04:42

Pinch,

Are you old enough to remember quartergate? I know some of the people involved lived in my old neighborhood, but I don’t remember exactly what happened. Something about skimming quarters out of something? parking meters? the T turnstiles?

Anyway, same general area…

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Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-01-27 09:31:36

Its getting progressively worse… From quarters they have moved up to 10’s and 20’s, yet nobody is fired/caught/prosecuted… We just had a “disabled” firefighter compete in a body building contest..

 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-01-27 11:18:19

That’s BS. The electric commisioner in NA spent an enormous amounts of $$$ setting up the electric company as an ISP. Problem was they only provided dial up service. The cable providers came in with high speed and put them out of business. Then someone realized NA Electric wouldn’t be able to break even on the investment. The selectman didn’t have to dig to deep to realize the investment money came from a source that required selectman approval. Problem was the electric commisioner forgot to ask for an approval. Hence he was fired.

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Comment by In Montana
2009-01-27 11:30:19

Omigod, that sounds like what happened with Montana Power. It morphed into a dot com just in time for the crash.

 
Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-01-27 11:42:09

Nope.. Electic comissioner got approval for the project from fisher and the board of selectman in 1999. He just neglected to inform anybody else, until some tapes of the meeting where the selectmen approved the ISP turned up in an unrelated matter, and the comissioners lawyer happened to be there and requested the tapes.
The judge dismissed the case, and some associated cases related to it.
It was a witch hunt from the beggining. Fisher BTW is the town administrator, and HE should be the one fired, and facing charges.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-01-27 17:51:07

With all the graft and corruption in our government from local to federal, I still find it amazing that anyone blames J6P for our financial problems.

Not that J6P is any angel, but definitely a low ranking amateur compared to the professional thieves, er politicians.

 
 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-01-27 08:33:56

All the more reason to cut back even more on consumption/spending. Their little shell game breaks down if consumer spending slows.

Besides, who knows what those restaurants are doing to stretch their budgets. That biz is tight even in the best of times - can you imagine the corners they’re cutting now?

Comment by Skip
2009-01-27 08:50:39

Well, I imagine the stray dog population is finally under control. :-)

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Comment by polly
2009-01-27 10:51:10

So, Mrs. Lovett, how are your meat pies?

(We are just eating up the musicals references this month.)

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 11:48:39

ROTFLMAO

 
 
 
 
Comment by qaxbami
2009-01-27 08:02:32

Fuzzy math.

“In December, the median home price plunged 17.8 percent to $267,250 from $269,000 in 2007. “

Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-01-27 08:04:12

That grabbed my attention…. Nice editing by somebody, either at the Warren group, or in the glob…

Comment by not a gator
2009-01-27 09:21:57

what editor at the Globe? they let their editors go after takeover by NYT.

Globe was always considered the crap paper next to NYT; now it’s gerbil cage liner.

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Comment by Muggy
2009-01-27 07:02:15

I don’t know who is paying for it, but I am seeing all these ads on TV reminding Tampa residents to be nice to visitors for the Super Bowl. Please do not shoot, road rage, or carjack on the visitors!

LMFAO!

Buy a house in paradise before you’re priced out! Heck, a 1000 people a day a moving to Florida!

Comment by palmetto
2009-01-27 08:37:03

Muggy, I don’t know about you, but I’ve already got Super Bowl fatigue. It’s getting like the interminable election cycle. Jordin Sparks? Boo-YAH!

Not to mention, FBs within a 100 mile radius of Tampa are still trying to rent out their cribs for the Super Bowl.

Also, love the reports on the prostitutes coming to town!!

What’s the latest on Russel Rhodes?

Comment by Jim A.
2009-01-27 08:42:07

Hey those of us HBBers in the DC area had to deal with “big event” stupidity and greed LAST week, it’s YOUR turn now.

Comment by palmetto
2009-01-27 08:52:36

Yeah, but YOU guys had Beyonce. We get Jordin Sparks. Feh.

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Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2009-01-27 09:21:35

DO not mess with Jordan Sparks…. We here in Glendale AZ have very little claim to fame… Cardinals, Coyotes, Sparks….

That’s it. The first two we’re losing our financial butts on.

 
 
Comment by Anthony
2009-01-27 09:54:18

“Buy a house in paradise before you’re priced out!”

It is funny to here these old statements, but my report from Eureka, California/Humboldt county is that this is indeed still going on. The median home price here is now ABOVE the sattewide median–first time in history. I went to a few open houses over the weekend, one had 14 parties attend over a two-hour showing, according to the Realtor…for 1,600 square feet on a small lot for $415,000 in McKinleyville. The Realtor was very smug–saying that HumCo has escaped the housing crash (which is generally true, I’m sad to say). Yes, home prices have fallen about 10% from 2005, but many nicer homes are actually selling above 2005 levels, as shown by tax records. This despite the shuttering of many businesses and even more homeless walking the streets. After watching a show on the marijuana trade on CNBC where they were discussing neighboring Mendocino county, I’m convinced it is pot money sloshing around that is keeping home values so “high.”

Like I’ve said before, I think before this mess is over, Eureka will be as expensive as San Francisco or westside LA. At this rate, it won’t be long.

Comment by sm_landlord
2009-01-27 10:16:11

No doubt SF and LA have trade deficits with Eureka, Humboldt county, and Mendocino county.

Hopefully they will buy our transportation bonds to pay for the new bullet trains from LA to SF! :-)

Comment by DennisN
2009-01-27 12:00:25

Did you say “transportation bonds”, or “transportation bongs”?

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-01-27 17:56:00

“Dude, where’s my train?”

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-01-27 18:00:15

“…of thought.” :lol:

 
 
 
Comment by sfrenter
2009-01-27 13:04:34

San Francisco is coming down, but way slower than I’d like to see.

A lot of people are still in the denial stage here, and since people know that I have been following the RE situation for a few years, I have been getting the “don’t you think it’s the time to buy now?”.

Yeah, right.

550 square foot studio down the street (nice view, but needs renovation) on the market for the past 18 months for 442 K. 18 months! Almost half a million for a CLOSET with a view. wtf.

There are at least 4 empty houses in a 2 block radius of my house. We live in a nice neighborhood where houses have still been selling for 700K or more. But it appears that there are people just sitting this thing out, hoping for higher prices in the future.

San Francisco’s economy has been a little stronger than elsewhere, but I have been hearing of more layoffs as each week passes.

From the ground in MANHATTAN:
my sister lives in the East Village (has for 15+ years) and says that people are moving out in droves. Downtown financial types who were renting $3,000. per month 1 BR’s are leaving alphabet city.

Don’t let the door smack you on the way out….

Comment by ecofeco
2009-01-27 18:05:12

Houston finally taking the hit, though it’s lower and slower than the rest of the country.

Can’t trust the published numbers right now as they are obfuscated beyond belief. But I think 12% drop in prices and 20something% drop in sales.

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Comment by Riley
2009-01-27 17:16:02

Eureka is just still in the bubble, too gray and wet to get expensive up there. Cheep weed though

 
 
 
Comment by dude
2009-01-27 07:03:49

Case Schiller down 18% YOY.

House builders and banks should be up big in the market today.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-01-27 08:30:00

NYB reported 52% increase in Q4 profits but the stock is down about 9% since the announcement today. No subprime loans from that bank.

 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-01-27 07:06:32

And even in the Empire State, the hits just keep on keeping on:

ROCHESTER, N.Y. (AP) — Corning Inc. said Tuesday it is cutting 3,500 jobs, or 13 percent of its payroll, as demand slumps for glass used in flat-screen televisions and computers.
The specialty glass and ceramics maker, the world’s largest maker of liquid crystal display glass, announced the cutbacks as its fourth-quarter profit plunged 65 percent to $249 million, or 16 cents a share, from $717 million, or 45 cents a share, a year earlier.

Excluding one-time items, its profit of 13 cents a share came in well below Wall Street’s forecast of 20 cents a share.

Sales fell 31 percent to $1.08 billion from $1.58 billion, below $1.16 billion in sales forecast by analysts polled by Thomson Reuters.

In December, the company withdrew all guidance for the October-December period because of volatility in the LCD market. It previously said earnings would fall below an earlier projection of 20 cents to 28 cents a share on sales between $1.1 billion and $1.2 billion

Comment by packman
2009-01-27 07:08:05

71,400 layoffs announced yesterday - Black Monday.

Comment by packman
2009-01-27 07:09:50
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-01-27 07:19:35

I see IBM is whacking 2100, mostly in sales.

Comment by skroodle
2009-01-27 07:35:29

IBM is in the process of whacking all US based employees. In a few years there will be nothing but senior execs and sales based in the US.

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Comment by skroodle
2009-01-27 07:41:10

I still can’t figure why they didn’t announce last week on inauguration day.

 
Comment by hd74man
2009-01-27 07:55:47

RE: 71,400 layoffs announced yesterday - Black Monday.

When CAT lays off 20k,, you know the world is in deep doo-doo.

Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-01-27 09:20:02

I was googling for information on them when I was looking into generators. I found stories of former lifelong employees blowing their heads off in the Caterpillar parking lot after getting laid off. This is when they were moving plants overseas. Crazy stuff. Should have taken out an executive or two first! Talk about a failure.

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Comment by In Colorado
2009-01-27 08:30:03

200K+ announced so far this month. And that’s just the announced layoffs. My megacorp employer has laid off close to 1000 with no announcements.

My guess is that when the numbers come out in February there will be a net loss of 500K or more.

Here at megacorp everyone is worried sick.

 
Comment by Milkcrate
2009-01-27 10:03:23

Lipstick Red Tuesday
Mary Kay reports big surge in new sales reps, according to NPR, which my radio chose today.

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-01-27 10:26:44

The market will go up nicely as the layoffs continue.

After all:

- Companies without employees save money on salaries, benefits, etc. and don’t have to waste money building products.

- People who are laid off will have more time to go shopping to keep the eCONomy going!

Is there a flaw in this “logic?”

Comment by NoVaWatcher
2009-01-27 13:04:31

“People who are laid off will have more time to go shopping to keep the eCONomy going”

Sounds like my ex-wife: after she was laid-off, she had more money to spend. She never did understand why I was livid after opening the visa bill and seeing that it was for more than we (now I) had earned that month. Guess that’s why we’re divorced.

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Comment by (Soon to be ex-) GS fixer
2009-01-27 14:21:27

My ex- screwed up……her spending eventually made it cheaper for me to divorce her, than to stay married to her.

That, and the constant bitching about everything I did/didn’t do, while camped out in the bedroom, watching TV and reading Romance Novels.

 
 
Comment by patient renter
2009-01-27 13:06:37

Is there a flaw in this “logic?”

Nope. Debt = prosperity. Even Krugman says so.

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Comment by polly
2009-01-27 09:18:58

Corning glass has the coolest art museum, ever. Highest percentage of items I actually wanted to look at carefully I had ever seen, plus watching some of the Steuben crafts people too. Worth a substantial detour. And you might have to detour as it is out in the middle of nowhere.

Stopped off once on my way to Ontario.

Comment by not a gator
2009-01-27 09:23:44

agree. lovely collection. made me want glass art.

 
 
 
Comment by packman
2009-01-27 07:06:57

Oink oink.

Presenting The biggest piece of pork ever.

Here is a sampling of what we found:

$44 million for construction, repair and improvements at US Department of Agriculture facilties
$209 million for work on deferred maintenance at Agricultural Research Service facilities
$245 million for maintaining and modernizing the IT system of the Farm Service Agency
$175 million to buy and restore floodplain easements for flood prevention
$50 million for “Watershed Rehabilitation”
$1.1 billion for rural community facilities direct loans
$2 billion for rural business and industry guaranteed loans
$2.7 billion for rural water and waste dispoal direct loans
$22.1 billion for rural housing insurance fund loans
$2.8 billion for loans to spur rural broadband
$150 million for emergency food assistance
$50 million for regional economic development commissions
$1 billion for “Periodic Censuses and Programs”
….

(the list goes on quite a ways - 150 items, which is just a sampling of what’s in the bill)

Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2009-01-27 07:27:19

it pays to be a rural
or an urban
suburbans pay for it

Comment by WT Economist
2009-01-27 08:06:53

Except in NYC, Boston, SF, and a few others, where the city pays for the suburbs.

Basically, wealthier areas pay for poorer ones. Except for NYC, which subsidizes areas that are richer.

Comment by DinOR
2009-01-27 08:15:24

O.K, I’m a sport. How does “the city pay for the suburbs”?

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-01-27 08:40:03

Wall Street taxes bouy the entire state budget. Well, they did anyway.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-01-27 08:59:20

Blue Skye,

I was just curious to get some input there b/c for years the City of Portland, OR has operated from the basic stereotype that all professionals from the ‘burbs are freeloaders.

Since our kids don’t go to your schools, we don’t break any laws, require incarceration, drug treatment, public housing or free medical care, what’s the problem? We pay our taxes to “the state” and “the state” is basically Portland.

 
Comment by mikey
2009-01-27 09:09:35

I’m also a little curious as to when the “Federal Wall Street With-Holding Tax” will show up on workers paychecks :)

 
 
Comment by JoJo
2009-01-27 12:57:27

“I was just curious to get some input there b/c for years the City of Portland, OR has operated from the basic stereotype that all professionals from the ‘burbs are freeloaders.

Since our kids don’t go to your schools, we don’t break any laws, require incarceration, drug treatment, public housing or free medical care, what’s the problem? We pay our taxes to “the state” and “the state” is basically Portland.”

I’ve wondered that too. Every couple of years someone in Baltimore City government gets the bright idea to tax commuters because we’re a bunch of moochers. However, we spend a fortune every day for lunches and parking and as noted, we don’t use any social services. What exactly are we mooching?

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Comment by JJ
2009-01-27 13:59:10

I beg to differ. I can’t speak for Baltimore but I believe it is definitely a problem in D.C. because of its unique situation. Commuters into D.C. use city services/resources every day. They use roads, police, etc. Not a penny of their income tax goes to D.C. since they pay Maryland or Virginia taxes.

D.C. does have high food taxes and maybe that makes up the difference. They also benefit greatly from the presence of the businesses (whom I presume do pay taxes even if their employees do not). Nevertheless, I think it is at least debatable whether inner cities are properly funded by those who work outside of the city.

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2009-01-27 08:09:49

Not necessarily. The spending sends improvements to the rural and urban areas, where they are most needed. But those improvements will be carried out by middle-class jobs like information tech, civil engineering, various greentech, or project management, counseling etc. Rural and urban get physical facelift, suburbs get an economic facelift.

 
 
Comment by skroodle
2009-01-27 07:37:01

$50 million for “Watershed Rehabilitation”

I thought that said “Waterboard Rehabilitation” when I first read it.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-01-27 07:43:58

The spending portion of this $825 Billion bill is nothing more than the kind of omnibus spending bill that CONgress turns out every year. The tax cut portion will mostly go toward savings or paying down debt (individuals) and beefing up the balance sheet (businesses).

As useless as pushing on a string.

 
 
Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2009-01-27 08:34:55

‘$150 million for emergency food assistance’

Uh, how much did last week’s inauguration cost again?

Comment by jeff saturday
2009-01-27 08:54:59

Good point. It also put as much co2 into the atmosphere as the average house would in 57,000 years.

 
 
Comment by polly
2009-01-27 09:23:47

Focused rural spending is easy to explain. Please see here:

http://finance.senate.gov/sitepages/committee.htm

Comment by CA renter
2009-01-28 02:23:58

Good point, polly.

 
 
Comment by Milkcrate
2009-01-27 10:11:33

As side note, dairy farmers may slaughter 400,000 cows to shrink milk supply. Biggest sine 1985. So at least the cost of burgers may be deflated. Gov. tinkering with milk prices makes moo juice price forecast a wild card.

Comment by patient renter
2009-01-27 13:10:17

I’m still dumbfounded that this sort of idiocy still occurs in modern America.

What’s next? Burning trees to prop up lumber prices? Demolishing houses to prop up real estate prices?

Comment by bluto
2009-01-27 15:48:30

Slaughtering dairy cows a normal part of business, they’re worth something as burger, and as they age, they produce less and lower quality milk (less milkfat). When prices are high they’re worth feeding, but as they drop they aren’t. Most businesses close factories when the prices drop.

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Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-01-27 18:31:34

They should just lay the cows off.

Unfortunately for retired cows, half the greens would baby them in retirement, the other half would render them as carbon super factories.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-01-27 18:33:48

The stimulus package is by definition, “pork.”

I also looked up “stimulus”. Yep, sure enough, it relates to “stimulate” (but you knew that) and that’s the intended effect, right?

So you have to actually “spend” money to “goose” the economy. Of course, this the old “deficit spending in a downturn” formula.

200,000 announced layoffs for the quarter. And it’s not quite February. Extrapolate that any way you like, it’s still not good.

So do we pay for unemployment or find them jobs?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-01-27 07:09:01

Jan. 27 (Bloomberg) — Federal Reserve officials are considering an overhaul of their economic forecasting, aiming to make clear their objectives for growth and inflation in the aftermath of the longest recession since the 1930s.

Members of the Fed’s Open Market Committee, who start a two-day meeting in Washington today, may need to extend their predictions beyond the current three-year period, officials and Fed-watchers said. Because of the length and depth of the downturn, long-run trends may not be restored in three years.

Uncharted waters? I thought Benny boy was a great navigator and would be able to steer us through the shoals!

Fed Move to ‘Uncharted Waters’ Spurs Forecast Review…

A longer horizon for the projections may help the public and investors understand where the central bank aims to steer the economy. Pressure for a new anchor for policy is building after the Fed cut its benchmark interest rate to as low as zero percent last month, removing the traditional target.

“Interest rates are no longer what monetary policy is about,” said Frederic Mishkin, who left his post as Fed governor in August. “A much more important part of policy now is managing expectations, and, in an environment like the one we are in now, having more clarity on inflation objectives becomes critical.”

One way to do that is to lengthen central bankers’ forecast horizons, said Mishkin, who has collaborated with Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke on research and is a professor at Columbia Business School in New York.

Comment by jeff saturday
2009-01-27 07:47:56

“Jan. 27 (Bloomberg) — Federal Reserve officials are considering an overhaul of their economic forecasting, aiming to make clear their objectives for growth and inflation in the aftermath of the longest recession since the 1930s”.

It will be like the conversation between the captain of the Titanic and the ship builder Mr. Andrews. Obama will be the captain and Bernanke will be Mr. Andrews.

This ship can`t sink!

It`s made of bad debt and bad loans sir, it can sink and it will, it`s a mathematical certainty.

How long?

An hour, maybe two.

 
Comment by packman
2009-01-27 08:11:42

“One way to do that is to lengthen central bankers’ forecast horizons, said Mishkin, who has collaborated with Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke on research and is a professor at Columbia Business School in New York.”

Because of course the solution to bad forecasting is to simply forecast farther into the future.

I guess it kind of works. If you watch a broken clock for 12 hours instead of 3 hours - it’s guaranteed to be right at some point! Problem is…. you don’t know what point that is.

(shakes head)

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-01-27 10:31:42

They are steering the economy alright - into a cliff at 100 mph.

Their goals are simple: “Inflation in all places and at all times - except in salaries - and a curse upon savers, prudent investors, and producers.”

I think they could just print the above two bullet points and not waste the money on their silly conference.

Comment by CA renter
2009-01-28 02:27:37

+1

 
 
Comment by nhz
2009-01-27 10:36:16

expect more jawboning and market manipulation.

 
Comment by I Corinthians 4:2
2009-01-27 11:26:18

“A longer horizon for the projections may help the public and investors understand WHERE THE CENTRAL BANK AIMS TO STEER THE ECONOMY. ”

What happened to “free markets”?

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-27 12:49:57

When did we ever have a free market?

Comment by bluprint
2009-01-27 16:25:01

No kidding, especially with regard to the central bank. What does Corin think “central” means in that context?

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-01-27 18:54:26

“Do as I say, not as do.”

The “free market” mantra was about nothing but being to do whatever the PTB pleased. In other words, “free to f’k you up the a$$” market.

It has now bit them in the a$$.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-01-27 07:13:38

So the goobernator wants to tax the small fry, imagine that. Small businesses will just start working under the table as much as possible, as many already do. Cash discounts, barter etc… Or just move the hell out of the state.

Calif. governor wants to tax golf, auto repairs…

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - Golf course owners and some of their customers are teed off at Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. So are veterinarians, auto mechanics and amusement park operators.

Their anger is directed at the Republican governor’s proposal to extend the state sales tax to cover more services, an idea that has surfaced in other states as they race to plug crippling budget deficits. The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a research clearinghouse, predicts such deficits nationwide could reach $350 billion by 2011.

In California, Schwarzenegger wants to help close a nearly $42 billion budget deficit by taxing rounds of golf, auto repairs, veterinary care, amusement park and sporting event admissions and appliance and furniture repairs.

Democratic Gov. David Paterson in New York has proposed levies on MP3 downloads, taxi rides, movies, concerts, sporting events, and personal services such as haircuts, manicures and massages.

Schwarzenegger’s fellow Republican in Utah, Gov. Jon Huntsman, has shelved a proposal to tax attorney and accounting services but promises to bring it back next year.

Service taxes in other states include levies on pet grooming, water well drilling, fur storage, massages, shoe repairs, swimming pool cleaning, taxidermy, and dating and diaper services. But that doesn’t make the groups affected by Schwarzenegger’s proposal feel any better.

“We’re old and retired. We don’t need any more taxes,” said Fred Mayers of Sacramento as he played golf recently at a public course in the state capital. “The only luxury we have is playing golf. They can’t charge us any more.”

Comment by darrell_in_phx
2009-01-27 07:17:03

No talk of raising taxes here in AZ. Just talk of cutting education budgets by upto 40%.

Comment by packman
2009-01-27 07:21:34

Good.

I’ll bet you anything if you look at the allocation of education budgets over the last 8-10 years, they’re probably up well over 100%. So a 40% cut still puts them ahead of where they were. That’s the case where I live anyhow.

I realize education is “for the children”, but children can learn to scrimp some too (relatively speaking).

Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2009-01-27 07:28:28

our county spends at 5x enrollment and the state at a factor of 4x

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Comment by WT Economist
2009-01-27 09:02:12

“I realize education is “for the children”, but children can learn to scrimp some too (relatively speaking).”

In NYC they are scrimping. All the extra “education spending” is for higher pension and other retiree costs. The money is going to Florida, in other words.

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Comment by not a gator
2009-01-27 09:28:20

where we are spending $100 million a year to subsidize private school tuition! no, really! program is called FRAG. No, really!

The legislature keeps it around b/c the private schools reward them with cushy sinecures. When questioned, they say it’s for the prestige of the state, and you wouldn’t want those kids leaving Florida for their education, would you?

Btw, opening round of UF cuts: $72 mill. Cute.

 
 
 
Comment by max4me
2009-01-27 07:24:42

Oh hell why not just put the childern to work, its not like public education is just a baby sitting service any way

Comment by Asparagus
2009-01-27 08:34:47

They could demolish vacant homes.

They’ve got experience in destroying things and really seem to enjoy that line of activity.

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Comment by Skip
2009-01-27 08:56:44

Where are these jobs exactly?

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Comment by Central Valley Guy
2009-01-27 09:18:50

Agreed! There is NOTHING wrong with making the shrimps work a few hours a day in the coal mines. Toughens ‘em up!

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Comment by Milkcrate
2009-01-27 10:26:35

Right. Send them into coal milnes. Or woolen mills; airfare to Uruguay would be more cost effective.

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Comment by packman
2009-01-27 10:48:26

Give… me… a… friggin… break. Absurd extreme is an indication of no valuable input.

Two can play that game. Isn’t it cruel that we don’t have a teacher for every student? I mean come on - how is a kid supposed to learn if they don’t have the *undivided* attention of the teacher? The inhumanity! What are we, a third-world country?

(or maybe you guys were talking tongue-in-cheek - if so nevermind :-) )

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Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2009-01-27 17:19:46

“(or maybe you guys were talking tongue-in-cheek - if so nevermind :D )”

Ummm, I think they were being a tiny bit tongue in cheek about children working in sweatshops. That would be too extreme.

Wait until they are 13 and turning into hostile, self-absorbed monsters then put them into coal mines, preferably not allowing them out until they’re 25.

(The scariest part is I want to be a foster parent! :D )

 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2009-01-27 07:26:57

I don’t know about the ed system in your state, but Florida’s is top heavy with all sort of “management”, “directors” and “administrators”. Not to mention the ed system pays for eCONartists like Sean Snaith. I’ve also worked in the past as a rep for a company that sold stuff to the ed system. The waste is incredible. And who needs all those computers so that non-English speaking anchor kids can sit in front of them all vacant-eyed? What about all those psychologists and social workers, who should be in the health system, not the school system?

Feh. Children can be taught just about anywhere, as long as there is a firm foundation in the three R’s. Cut out that crappy feel-good, I’m a STAR stuff. They get enuf of that on American Idol. Demand that teachers teach and children learn and concentrate on the basics.

Comment by DinOR
2009-01-27 09:20:51

palmetto,

Not normally a fan but Kathy Griffin does an absolutely hysterical sketch about “I’m a STAR”.

“Oh, your kid’s a genius? How dow you know, he’s only 10 months old!”

“Oh, he’s been “tested” and he’s a genius”

“Yeah but he’s chewing on his own boogers and I think he just filled his diaper with “genius”

(These people are too much aren’t they? ) And I always love seeing the altogether too serious MEW-couple that basically demand you afford a protective shell and ample personal space for their “little genius”.

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Comment by palmetto
2009-01-27 09:41:39

“Yeah but he’s chewing on his own boogers and I think he just filled his diaper with “genius”

OK, bro, you owe me a new laptop. ROTFLMAO!

 
 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-01-27 09:21:08

I don’t know about the ed system in your state, but Florida’s is top heavy with all sort of “management”, “directors” and “administrators”.

Top-heaviness and needless phyllo-layers of management seem like national, systemic issues at all levels.

It’s certainly a major money- and morale-drain at most public universities as well. There’s nothing like an incompetent S180K administrator to make one feel appreciated at one’s job …

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Comment by NoVaWatcher
2009-01-27 10:56:16

Universities really make you wonder about how things are valued in our society. $180k for an incompetent administrator vs. $90k for a professor of theoretical physics, a person with a Phd, 2 years of post-doc experience, 10 years as a professor, dozens of highly cited peer-review articles, and hundreds of thousands of grant money.

But the moron administrator with a BA gets paid more.

 
Comment by Seattle Renter
2009-01-27 13:57:03

How can we make crap like this finally come to an end?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-01-27 19:03:27

“How can we make crap like this finally come to an end?”

Usually through war and severe economic depression created by the very same incompetent, brown nose lackeys themselves.

Least, that’s what 13,000 years of recorded say.

 
 
 
Comment by Lip
2009-01-27 07:31:23

Darrell,

What about all those photo radar machines sending out letters and the cops writing traffic tickets left and right? What about extending the hours the parking meters need to be fed. Don’t kid yourself, they’re talking about raising taxes they just don’t publicize what they want to do.

Lip

Comment by DinOR
2009-01-27 08:12:21

Lip,

That may be true but at least with a platform like that you can avoid nearly all of it simply by obeying the posted Speed Limit. Once they’re in your wallet, it’s too late.

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Comment by measton
2009-01-27 08:22:58

That’s the whole idea, cut Federal income taxes for the elite while increasing the taxes on the poor and middle class via inflation, increased sales tax, the alternative minimum tax, tickets, fee’s ect ect. Sell the elite our highway systems and natural resources and parks for pennies on the dollar. Allow the elite to rape the middle class and upper middle class via the stock market. We will soon be a third world country with a handfull of elite and a lot of poor people.

 
Comment by peter a
2009-01-27 08:40:00

Yea poor people with 200 million guns.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-01-27 09:30:00

peter a,

NO ONE has complained more loudly about the disparity between cap. gains and payroll taxes than “I” have! Yet for all the resources that are available, rather than the American worker spending (1) off the clock moment on how to figure out the tax code ( and how to get -over- to that side ) they’d rather be at Circuit City shopping for big screens?

What the cap. gains exemption for primary residences did for the avg. worker was afford them a one-size-fits-all loophole that didn’t require any training, research or effort at all. I’ll bet most didn’t even bother w/ reporting the sale! This is a lot of the reason there’s been so much abuse amongst those w/ multiple residences. Their “home” -became- their moonlighting job!

 
Comment by not a gator
2009-01-27 09:30:09

you’re planning to eat bullets?

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-01-27 09:35:31

You know when you go through Turbo-Tax and the “interview” asks you that pesky stuff about “Did you buy or sell a home this year?”

And what’s this “Cost Basis” business?

I’m willing to bet a lot of people didn’t even bother with the 24 month holding period! I mean WHY? No one checks on this stuff anyway..?

And then like idiots the IRS didn’t even check when people marked the little box that says “Is this address different from the one you filed from last year?”

So how has “the little guy” been any less a beneficiary of a “generous” tax code?

 
Comment by MrBubble
2009-01-27 10:05:23

“That’s the whole idea”

I don’t know if that is the whole idea, but it sure feels like it. As my Nana said once, “The state of Florida just got screwed and didn’t even get a kiss”. (Not at all kidding)

Now it’s the entire country getting screwed by a tiny, greedy stratum of society. [Yeah, yeah, the flippers were greedy too. But most of the wealth is still held by the few.] How have none of these guys done the perp walk? Or at least had a healthy swing taken at them?

I’ve taken to asking my i-banker (or former i-banker) friends how the pimp business is going. “Yeah, you guys take all of the effort and ideas from the creative class and then make the real money off of them by commercializing their ideas. So we are whores. You are a pimp. So how’s business? And where’s my muthafooking money?”

They just aren’t used to the whores taking back.

 
 
 
 
Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2009-01-27 07:26:01

in NY they have an 14% ? unincorporated tax
everyone I know does 20% off the books to survive

 
Comment by santacruzsux
2009-01-27 07:31:39

It’s just like the idiots in government to raise taxes during a bust and cut them during a boom. Here in PA they tax all kinds of services but at least the state income tax is small and they don’t tax clothing. In CA, if they do this, the tax burden will be so extreme for the average person, their economic meltdown will become plasmic! I smell the rise of the black market and non-reported bartering coming down the road. If the taxes become excessive I figure that you will see many “unemployed” people making a living as outlaws. If you get busted on your taxes you can just state, “It’s a common mistake!”

When will people realize that your elected politicians have not ever represented your interests unless you have paid for them to do so.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-01-27 08:43:12

Of course politicians are mercenaries.. but it’s the best system we’ve managed to come up with.
The problem with government is that it’s a government. Goverments are selfish trolls.. ignorant, insatiable and they grow fast if you feed them. If it gets big enough it will take control… and our servant becomes our master.
It aint like we weren’t instructed to keep it on the edge of starvation, and keep the govt small and managable. We’ve ourselves to blame.

Comment by santacruzsux
2009-01-27 09:49:24

It has take a very long time, but the Anti-Federalists have been proven to be right. IMHO.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-01-27 10:40:14

His Majesty, King Obama.

yeah.. it kinda rolls off the tongue real easy.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-01-27 19:12:19

What are you, some kinda dang socialeest/commie?!

By god! We have the best government corporations can buy!

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-01-27 20:55:36

Corporations, just like the rest of us, pay because they had better pay, or else. Government posesses tools that are more powerful than those of corporations and civilians combined.

For govt to be our slave it must be treated like a slave. “Obey, and you’ll be fed. Disobey and you will be beaten with this stick.”
We long ago handed over the keys to the cupboard and the stick.

 
 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-01-27 09:22:24

Why not TAX all RE agent Incomes …an 2-3% EXTRA Arnold ?

That would raise CA State Revenues and help clear out the pollution :)

Comment by DinOR
2009-01-27 09:42:21

mikey,

God Love you Sir! I’ve been beating on that for as long as there’s been bailout talk. Put the punishment where it belongs. Oh and while we’re at it, hit the mortgage brokers up for a couple of points too!

 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-01-27 09:24:27

If you drive a car, I’ll tax the street
If you try to sit, I’ll tax your seat
If you get too cold I’ll tax the heat
If you take a walk, I’ll tax your feet…

Comment by Cowtown
2009-01-27 10:48:15

My advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes

I really miss George, he was my favorite Beatle.

 
 
Comment by MrBubble
2009-01-27 09:59:09

“We’re old and retired. We don’t need any more taxes,”
I’m old and there are wolves after me! Come on, Grampa Simpson! Is this the new MSM mantra that’s going to be the new “but what about the children”?

“It’s our only luxury” BS. I’m sure these guys all have cars, cable, go out for dinner, buy their ingrate grandkids eight zillion useless lead-filld toys, etc. If you don’t think that you have much luxury in your life, just wait Sparky. Holy crap, do these people have cranio-rectal syndrome.

MrBubble

 
Comment by lavi d
2009-01-27 11:07:53

In California, Schwarzenegger wants to help close a nearly $42 billion budget deficit by taxing rounds of golf, auto repairs, veterinary care, amusement park and sporting event admissions and appliance and furniture repairs.

Anyone taking bets on how long before the “Legalize and Tax Marijuana” initiative gets its first serious endorsement?

 
Comment by bananarepublic
2009-01-27 12:58:17

Arnold has been a COMPLETE DISASTER for California. Gray Davis was 10 times better. And long before this shit hit the fan he and the legislature would have been working together.

Hey, I didn’t vote for a zero experience actor. Don’t blame me.

Republicans leave scorched earth everywhere they go!

Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-01-27 18:36:25

I heard that the California state congress refuses to balance the budget by using the time honored tactic of cutting spending and also they are against the similarly hallowed trick of raising taxes.

No report yet after 6 months of argument on what innovative techniques they intend to actually try.

 
 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-01-27 07:17:56

Now that we live in the Information Age, we get the information better, faster, smarter; or do we?

From the UK Mail Online today:

After less than a week in office, Barack Obama’s approval rating plunges 15 points
By David Gardner
Last updated at 8:56 AM on 26th January 2009

Barack Obama might have been in office for less than a week, but the euphoria is beginning to wane.
The new President’s approval ratings have fallen from a stratospheric 83 per cent to a more modest - although still impressive - 68 per cent.
Washington analysts said the scale of the drop in the Gallup poll underlines the immense challenges Mr Obama faces in trying to turn round the U.S.’s battered fortunes.
He still remains vastly more popular than his predecessor George Bush - who left office with around 25 per cent approval.
Mr Obama is facing an ugly battle with Republicans over his plans to bail out the economy with $850 billion of taxpayers’ cash. Opposition leaders claim the rescue package relies too much on government spending and not enough on tax relief for families and small businesses.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-01-27 07:49:01

Has any polling group come out with a recent approval rating for our CONgress? In the latter part of last year it was even lower than Bush’s approval rating.

Actually I wouldn’t be surprised to see these ratings polls disappear for the next four years.

Comment by DinOR
2009-01-27 08:05:19

Bill,

I usually go to:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com

They poll most everything.

Comment by oxide
2009-01-27 08:30:30

Yep, and at the moment, RCP has a poll on the left column about halfway down. btw, it looks like RCP is a “conservative” site. That’s okay, DailyKos is bleeding heart liberal. And both polls are showing similar numbers. They must be near the mark. :-)

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Comment by Blano
2009-01-27 10:43:12

“it looks like RCP is a “conservative” site.”

I’ve never gotten that feeling at all. Always thought their coverage of both sides was pretty decent.

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2009-01-27 08:25:30

Forgive me for bringing up partisan website, but DailyKos has enough money to commission a weekly poll, conducted by Research 2000.

It’s right at the top of the front page, but if you don’t want to go there, here are the most recent “Favorable” % ratings from Jan 22:

Messiah: 77
Congress (Dem): 41
Congress (Rep): 26
General Dem: 57
General Rep: 34

And, the reports of an “ugly battle” with Republicans have been greatly exaggerated. “Opposition” Boehner can yak all he wants on Meet the Press, but the fact is that Nancy has 100 more votes in the House than he does. And in the Senate, Harry Reid has 58 votes to Mitch McConnell’s 41. They could technically filibuster, but the country is hurting, Obama is very popular, and a lot of those 41 are up for re-election in 2010. No way will Mitch keep all 41 together to mount a filibuster.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-01-27 08:38:55

Besides, no one really wants to stand in the way. It’s all about preserving the two party stranglehold. It’s win-win for all of them - only about 40% have to “act” disappointed so as to not tip off the consum…er, voters.

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Comment by bananarepublic
2009-01-27 18:31:30

The GOP is DOA. Forget the morons.

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Comment by tresho
2009-01-27 08:50:03

Has any polling group come out with a recent approval rating for our CONgress? Yes, that poll is taken every 2 years & paid for with government funds. Incumbents overwhelmingly get re-elected. That poll is the only one that counts, ignore all others.

 
Comment by bananarepublic
2009-01-27 10:31:38

Approval rating for Obama is 68% for a reason. The country is pleased we no longer have a COMPLETE MORON in charge anymore. Well, not that Chimp was ever REALLY in charge, but you get the point.

Congress approval will go up. It was in the dumper because everyone was pissed off at the other side for doing nothing. That will change.

And I must say, I am VERY IMPRESSED with Obama so far. Doing a SUPER job. Then again, reversing EVERY SINGLE DECISION chimp made is going to make a lot of people happy!

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-01-27 08:38:42

My personal approval rating of the Messiah is up today since he told the Muslims that America is not their enemy. I know for a fact that there are a great deal of good Muslims who do not wish harm on anyone. Many of whom, of course, live in oil rich nations such as Kuwait.

Now let’s get America’s military OUT of the middle east and don’t fund anyone there with taxpayer $. Let Israel and the rest of the nations there duke it out for themselves. If Israel has a “right” to exist, they need to defend that position by themselves or just get out of there and let the Palestinians have that resource-poor piece of real estate. Funny how the Muslims in oil rich nations want worthless land, such as israel’s!

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-01-27 09:51:03

Yeah.. Hillary should be instructed to tell the world that friendly countries are a burden we don’t need. If there’s trouble, duke it out yourselves.

Comment by (Soon to be ex-) GS fixer
2009-01-27 14:16:38

Israel is becoming the equivalent of the punk-ass kid, with the bad-ass big brother. Starting crap with the neighbor kids, and expecting big brother to bail their ass out when they get in over their head.

Their ultimate goal appears to be assimilating the West Bank, then imposing an apartheid regime on the Palestinians. Guess we’ll see how that works out for them.

Both sides want victory, not peace.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-01-27 17:46:19

no.. Israel is like the wandering, starving orphan that nobody would take in until the government forced him on some family.

That family has several big, mean older “brothers”. The jealous siblings hate him and, although they’ve tried several times, they can’t kill the kid ’cause he’s too smart and too fast for them.
So, in their frustration they get even by setting him up and framing him.

 
 
 
Comment by bananarepublic
2009-01-27 10:39:01

You are coming around Bill! Good for you. But please stop calling him the Messiah. It is really disrespectful and Obama hasn’t done anything to deserve the scorn.

Support President Obama. He needs all our help!

Comment by Skip
2009-01-27 13:43:13

Having talked with my Republican friends, it seems that they don’t really dis-like Obama, its more that they are hoping he fails in order for them to say “see - you guy is no better than Bush was” and feel some sort of delayed justification about voting for GWB twice.

Its similar to when you point out that Iraq had no WMDs they say “but Britain, and France and everyone thought they did, its not our fault we were stupid”.

PS,
that excuse did not work for me in Junior High School.

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Comment by bananarepublic
2009-01-27 18:29:37

I hear you skip!

 
 
 
Comment by BP
2009-01-27 10:46:55

“My personal approval rating of the Messiah is up today since he told the Muslims that America is not their enemy”

Now if just one of their Mullahs would do the same we all can go home happy and sing happy songs.

 
Comment by rms
2009-01-27 13:09:55

“Now let’s get America’s military OUT of the middle east and don’t fund anyone there with taxpayer $. Let Israel and the rest of the nations there duke it out for themselves. If Israel has a “right” to exist, they need to defend that position by themselves or just get out of there and let the Palestinians have that resource-poor piece of real estate. Funny how the Muslims in oil rich nations want worthless land, such as israel’s!”

+1 Bill can definitely see the light!

 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-01-27 10:43:18

Disclaimer: I didn’t vote for either of the two-party “choices,” and I have not been fond of any major candidate or holder of the officer since Reagan… and I was really young then!

People (especially dim-bulbs) expected Obama to raise up his right hand and make the debt go away and their houses magically rise in value. Then, he would raise his left hand, and all the jobs would come back to this nation. Then, he’d give the crowd his middle finger, and…

You get the idea: no miracle = disappointed voters. Maybe the voters should spend more time looking to themselves to find the source of the problems vs. waiting for Washington to fix everything for them.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-01-27 19:26:18

If Obama did nothing, we’ll still be better off than the previous bonehead. :lol:

 
 
Comment by (Soon to be ex-) GS fixer
2009-01-27 11:59:11

George Bush left with a 25% approval rating?

I’m amazed it was that high.

 
 
Comment by Marcus
2009-01-27 07:18:43

An update from the Gainesville Fantasy Land:
[Keep in mind that the University is cutting its budget by at least 10%, laying off faculty and reducing admissions by 1000 per year.]

“Craig McCall, president of the Gainesville-Alachua County Association of Realtors, said that although the sales numbers are down, he expects more buyers to enter the market as interest rates remain low and demand for housing increases.

McCall said he expects more activity in the local market, fueled by the University of Florida and the local medical community.

“It’s a great time to buy. A lot of buyers are sitting on the fence, not sure of when funds from the federal bailout are going to hit Main Street,” he said. “We are seeing more buyers visiting open houses, more leads coming from the Internet, and as UF and Santa Fe (College) make their announcements of acceptance, that should help increase the buyer pool.”

Comment by oxide
2009-01-27 08:38:11

The federal bailout is going to “hit” Main Street…how? If he thinks Obama is going to mail out checks, he hasn’t been listening.

Any demand for housing is purely butter-knife catching. Even if values are indeed at a bottom (not likely), they bottom is in for 5 years at least. Upkeep alone will eat the investment returns. Ditto for the stock market. I predict an increased demand for mattresses.

Comment by bananarepublic
2009-01-27 10:52:52

Based on the Case-Shiller spreadsheet I have for Los Angeles, we are currently at a reading of 175, and we should be at 141 (based on historical inflation). But I think we are going to go well below the trend line, since we haven’t faced a great depression at any time in the history of the data. The scary thing is what impact the government actions are going to be.

It’s different this time! I will also add that the chart will tell me when to buy. Until I see any upward movement on the chart I’ll wait.

 
 
 
Comment by not a gator
2009-01-27 09:35:21

Did you read the Sun story yesterday about rentals? Bwhahahahahah!!! Thousands of new rentals, thousands less in students = Collier crying in his beer, Silber will have to get 70′ yacht instead of 90′ yacht, and Lady Butler? Well, she’s already had one “big deal” fall through, but I’m sure things still look good if you squint. (Her old man was smart and sold his apt complex at the peak of the bubble.)

Comment by Marcus
2009-01-27 10:15:18

It’s gonna get messy around here. I’m already rethinking my little apartment near campus. Doors are gettin kicked pretty regularly. I don’t think anybody has been hurt yet, but the thieves are definitely getting more active/desperate.

 
 
 
Comment by cougar91
2009-01-27 07:23:01

Latest Case/Schiller Housing Price Index released this morning:

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Home values in 20 major U.S. cities fell at a record 18.2% in the 12 months ending in November, Standard & Poor’s reported Tuesday. The Case-Shiller 20-city home price index fell 2.2% in November, with home values in all 20 cities falling at least 1%. Prices fell 3.4% in Phoenix and 3.3% in Las Vegas in November. In the past year, prices were down 33% in Phoenix, 32% in Las Vegas, and 31% in San Francisco. The best performance over the past year came in Dallas, where prices fell just 3.3%.

Comment by Mike in Miami
2009-01-27 07:58:16

Add to that 71000 layoffs yesterday alone. The stock market just loves it. Not sure what to make of this.

Comment by palmetto
2009-01-27 08:55:59

I listened to an interview with David Korten yesterday. Brilliant. Here’s the deal: stock market going down = good thing. Stock market going up = bad. For us, anyway. Contrarian indicators.

 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-01-27 08:24:04

wow.. less expensive by 33% in one year.
Resisting the urge to purchase a house has a very high return and carries virtually zero risk.

 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2009-01-27 09:36:44

Oh YEAH!!! Still #1… The rest of you pretenders think you’re somthing, but our numbers prove that we’re really #1.

Comment by lavi d
2009-01-27 11:29:54

…our numbers prove that we’re really #1.

Yeah, well we’re way out ahead with foreclosures!

So there…

 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2009-01-27 07:39:06

WTF is with the NARscum banner ad on the front page?

Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-01-27 09:22:16

Shh! Just click it and click around on their page for 3 or 4 clicks!

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-01-27 19:48:28

It’s only fair, right? Taking money from the people who took money from suckers?

Seems like poetic justice to me. :lol:

 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-01-27 07:45:30

That expensive McMasion on the Hill sure looked Pretty.

Now, that once humble, semi-secure 30-45k J..O..B is looking one Hell of a lot Prettier.

Besides the housing, financial and job damage, there will be a lot of once high flying, damaged EGOS, out there… now “doing lunch” at Mc Donalds. A few might even be working there.

Comment by combotechie
2009-01-27 07:47:03

Yep.

 
Comment by Marcus
2009-01-27 10:24:50

I grew up in steel mill / coal mine country. When most of those closed by the early 80s I saw a lot of my friends’ parents working in McDonalds or at gas stations. To this day, that group workers struggles to find good work. They grew up with the mentality that skilled labor was the ultimate career. But one day “Poof” it was all gone. My best friend’s parents moved back in with their parents at age 40. He was a long-wall mechanic in the mines (one of the best jobs in coal mining). It was gut-wrenching to watch these men suffer. But they all came through, for the most part. They put food on the table and kept their kids under roof by whatever means necessary and managed to keep their dignity. I wonder if the current generation of RE folk will handle the change with such grace. I have serious doubts.

 
 
Comment by bluprint
2009-01-27 07:49:09

Couple anecdotes:

This weekend the wife and I went to look at a house owned by a bank. The bank wants a cash offer. I made the comment later to my wife that “cash is king”.

The place needs some work but this is the first time I’ve seen one that was really getting close to a reasonable asking price. I told the realtor we had sold our house in Jan of last year and were waiting for prices to come down substantially. She tried to feed me the line about how its different here and trotted out a recent Forbes article (which I was familiar with) listing the Little Rock/central Ar area as one of the best places to buy because we hadn’t been affected by the bubble, blah blah blah.

I told her I expected significant drops and asked her if she ever looked at the Central Ark. Realtors sales numbers, which show very substanial yoy drops in sales and explained how I believe that is a leading indicator and prices will follow. She became somber and just nodded and it then appeared she didn’t want to discuss any further, so we didn’t.

So, the wife and I recently discovered we are going to have a baby (and join the ranks of annoying parents who just KNOW their kid is so cute! :) ). As a result we have need to replace her sports car with something more practical and intend to pay cash.

In the “cash is king” theme, testerday my wife related a conversation she had with one of her coworkers. The coworker’s husband works at a furniture store and they are really, really slow because everyone that comes in who wants to buy is unable to get credit.

She also spoke with someone else who bought a car recently and the dealer “knocked 5k right off just because they were paying cash”.

The wife yesterday after telling me the two stories says “cash is king and I want to spend as little of our cash as possible on the vehicle”. She’s really getting it.

Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-27 08:47:45

Having a kid is really exciting. Congratulations, blu.

 
Comment by exeter
2009-01-27 08:57:18

Girl or boy?

Comment by bluprint
2009-01-27 09:29:44

Dunno…she’s 12 weeks. I think we’ll find that out later. I’m ok with either one. Boy or girl I imagine they’ll be raised mostly the same…except for the crazy redneck a$$hole wielding a bible and a shotgun in the event of a girl bringing home boys. ;)

Comment by exeter
2009-01-27 09:39:09

Make a PVC potato cannon and shoot droopy diapers at him. :)

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 09:53:36

Maybe she’ll surprise you and bring home girls instead.

LOL

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Comment by Blano
2009-01-27 09:59:41

LOLOL!!!

Maybe Brett can hook her up with a Costa Rican. :)

 
Comment by bluprint
2009-01-27 10:05:52

I have to admit I haven’t considered that possibility…

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 10:43:37

I was just ribbin’ you. I like poking holes in peoples’ assumptions. It’s a good habit that stands you well in life. ;-)

Congratulations on the imminent arrival!!!

Sleep now before you get priced out forever. LOL ;-)

 
Comment by bluprint
2009-01-27 11:27:32

All in good fun. :) Mainly I gotta quit having so many, ahem, shall we say cocktails before bed so I CAN wake up when necessary. heh

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 16:22:28

You’ll need even more after they are born. They don’t pay for themselves, you know! ;-)

“Honey, could you take care of her? I have a hangover.” (The male version of: “Not tonight darling, I have a headache.”)

Naah, I don’t think that works. But you can drink on the job. Just don’t hurt the tyke. :-D

 
Comment by vozworth
2009-01-27 20:11:19

8)

 
 
Comment by ella
2009-01-27 20:52:39

“Dunno…she’s 12 weeks”

We’re 14 weeks! July babies are the best babies. It’s scientific.

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Comment by bluprint
2009-01-27 22:35:54

Summertime kid. Gotta have a pool for the summer b-days. 8)

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-01-28 03:04:14

Congratulations to you both! :)

 
Comment by ella
2009-01-28 09:52:43

Thanks! I realized my calculations were wrong, there, bluprint. I meant to say August babies are best, whoops (I calculated your weeks all wrong). I’m no professor bear :)

 
 
 
 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-01-27 09:04:21

So, the wife and I recently discovered we are going to have a baby (and join the ranks of annoying parents who just KNOW their kid is so cute! :) )

Congratulations!

It’s not the worst club to be in by any means.

 
Comment by Sallie
2009-01-27 09:12:00

Congratulations on the coming baby! Our daughter is two and we wouldn’t trade her for the world or all the cash held by the HBBers (which is probably a substantial percentage of it! LOL!).

If you can make it through the not enough sleep the first few/several months, you can make it through anything. Sleep deprivation is a torture tool for a reason. Rest up!

Best wishes!

Comment by jeff saturday
2009-01-27 09:52:30

“If you can make it through the not enough sleep the first few/several months, you can make it through anything”.

Wait till she is 15. Ah, still wouldn`t trade any one of my three for anything, of course I wouldn`t take another one for anything. I am too old. Enjoy them, they grow up fast.

 
 
Comment by SV guy
2009-01-27 09:45:53

Congrats on the baby, blu.

Mike

 
Comment by Blano
2009-01-27 09:56:29

Congrats, blu.

My “baby” daughter will be 16 next month. It goes by fast.

 
Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2009-01-27 10:18:10

ford taurus
they’re almost free

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-27 13:04:40

Congratulations bluprint. I wish you, your wife and your future baby all the best. :)

 
Comment by patient renter
2009-01-27 13:25:22

the wife and I recently discovered we are going to have a baby

Congrats. My number is about to be called as well :)

Comment by bluprint
2009-01-27 16:27:59

Well then, congrats back. I would have been concerned that my wife would flip on the “nesting” instinct and want to buy (especially since both her parents think it’s a great idea), but thankfully she’s standing strong.

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2009-01-28 00:26:31

Awww…
CONGRATS, Blu!

 
 
Comment by hoz
2009-01-27 08:05:12

Reflections on Americans’ views of the euro ex ante

Martin Feldstein
26 January 2009

“…In these circumstances, it is possible that one or more countries might actually withdraw from the Eurozone. It is clear why some national political leaders – or would be leaders – might consider such an option. Doing so would allow their reinstated national central bank to choose an easier monetary policy. The national central bank could also create the currency needed to act as a lender of last resort to national commercial banks. The country’s fiscal authority would no longer be bound by the restrictions of the Stability and Growth Pact and could therefore pursue a large fiscal stimulus. The international value of the currency could adjust to make local products more competitive. A country might threaten to leave the Eurozone unless policy became more expansive. If policy did not change, it might face the difficult choice between leaving the Eurozone and losing face by backing down from its threatened action….”
http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/2867

Exit Gomer Pyle: “Don’t tell me, don’t tell me. It’s a bean, it’s a bean… Lima.”

Comment by vozworth
2009-01-27 08:41:08

Turkey Trot.

Suprise, Surprise, Surprise !

 
Comment by nhz
2009-01-27 09:03:59

nonsense, the euro stability pact is already out the window … even Germany and Netherlands no longer stick to the rule. Probably the kleptocrats in Brussel will retroactively approve some kind of exemption as long as the Eurozone is in a recession.

I think there is a fat change the euro will break up, but not (just) for this reason.

 
Comment by Skip
2009-01-27 09:06:15

It would be interesting to see a few countries leave and how long it takes for the Finance Ministers in each to debase their own currency before their citizens actually notice.

Comment by nhz
2009-01-27 09:42:49

good point; I even wonder how long it would take for most of the Finance Ministers to notice that some players have left the table; most of them are as clueless as the sheeple.

 
 
 
Comment by Brian in Chicago
2009-01-27 08:16:02

I was surveying options for storing money the other day and noticed that US I Savings Bonds are paying 5.64% interest. What’s the catch? I know that you have to hold them for 1 year and if you hold them for less than 5 years you lose 25% of the final years interest, but that still seems to be a good deal, which makes me wonder that something must be wrong with them. Anyone know?

Comment by exeter
2009-01-27 08:40:32

Jeez that is a yield.

 
Comment by nhz
2009-01-27 09:41:31

maybe the catch is that you have a guaranteed loss of principal every year (measured in something real like gold) thanks to Ben Bernanke & friends?

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-01-27 10:46:55

I’ve been buying series I bonds since 1998. The catch is that the dollar may default. My average annual return, even though I “dollar cost average” has been 6% over the the last 10 years. Up until 2 years ago you could buy $60,000 worth, half in electronic bonds and half paper bonds. That was reduced to $10,000. In the year 2000 your fixed rate would be about 3.4% and if you add that to the variable rate, the 2000 bonds would be currently yielding over 8%. You and your spouse could have bought $120,000 worth in the year 2000. “coulda…shoulda…”

 
 
Comment by packman
2009-01-27 08:49:10

Not sure if this was posted the other day or not -

Builders predict more pain in 2009, big turnaround in 2010.

Let’s revisit this in 24 months, shall we?

Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2009-01-27 19:00:20

12 months from now…

Builders predict more pain in 2010, big turnaround in 2011.

Rinse and repeat until 2013.

 
 
Comment by Suffolk_Them
2009-01-27 08:52:05

From Bloomberg:

“The market is in stagnation,” said Paul Brennan, regional director for the Hamptons at Elliman. “If you sell in this market, it’s usually one of the three D’s: death, divorce or debt.”

Many properties are also sitting on the market because sellers haven’t yet cut their price to reflect the economy’s decline, Miller said. On average, homes sold for 15.4 percent less than their asking price, compared with 8.1 percent a year ago.

“I have never seen sellers so disconnected from the market and my rough approximation is that they are about a year behind,” said Miller. “You had seven go-go years. That’s ingrained in the markets’ psyche.”

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-01-27 09:03:22

“You had seven go-go years. That’s ingrained in the markets’ psyche.”

Perhaps “they” need a reminder from South of the border:

Mexico City opens the 1st of 300 planned soup kitchens:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mexico-soup-kitchen27-2009jan27,0,768094.story

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 11:57:35

But they don’t say if the gorditas are being “downsized” or “rightsized” yet!

 
Comment by stewie
2009-01-27 12:47:25

Hmmm, sounds like more work for the “Pozole maker”. One day, you may be standing in line to be fed, the next day, you’re on the menu…

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28824519/

 
 
Comment by AdamCO
2009-01-27 11:23:51

But what about:

http://www.realtor.org/press_room/news_releases/2007/12/ehs_dec07_trend_up_2008

“Existing-Home Sales to Trend Up in 2008″

Comment by Suffolk_Them
2009-01-27 15:06:27

Paid liars.

 
 
 
Comment by Suffolk_Them
2009-01-27 08:53:21

From Crains NY:

Credit storms lash Hamptons real estate

The Hamptons’ residential market took another beating from a floundering economy in the final quarter of 2008, with prices and sales volumes both dropping significantly from levels in the fourth quarter of 2007, according to a report released Tuesday.

The number of sales in the posh far end of Long Island plummeted 41.3% to 257 in the fourth quarter.

“What you are seeing here is similar to parts of the city,” said Jonathan Miller, president of Miller Samuel, adding that for the last four years, with the exception of one quarter, there has been a decline in transactions. “The drop is attributable to the credit contraction and uncertainty with Wall Street in terms of unemployment and compensation.”

Comment by palmetto
2009-01-27 08:58:46

I’ve got the world’s smallest violin here playing “My Heart Bleeds for Thee”.

The Hamptons were cool when I wuz a pup. They suck, now.

Comment by Suffolk_Them
2009-01-27 10:18:37

These folks would have you believe that they had near unlimited assets. And some surely did and do. But the vast majority out there were only as good as their current jobs and incomes. They have lost their jobs or seen their income reduced with smaller bonuses and the falling stock market. And suddenly, these idiots don’t seem so smart any more as their huge mortgages and declining property values have turned paradise into a nightmare.

 
 
 
Comment by nhz
2009-01-27 08:59:22

Dutch bubble update:

Dutch real estate professor Piet Eichholtz (his professorship is paid by the real estate mob), the guy who did the original research for the Herengracht index that Shiller based part of his housing research on, is arguing in Dutch NRC newspaper that homeprices in Netherlands are not overvalued at all, and will keep climbing (forever) unless rates go up to double digit territory (’extremely unlikely as rates are pretty high now’) or consumer sentiment declines strongly (’very unlikely as it is already at the bottom of the range, and the Dutch economy will recover quickly’).

Just goes to show that we have the same kind of clueless idiots teaching on Dutch universities as in the US :(

on another note: Dutch financial ING is already boasting on TV that they are a sure winner (again …) in the international financial arena. Even if that is going to be true (which I doubt) it is sad that they can only pull if off by passing all their loosing positions to the Dutch taxpayer. But you have to admit that the ‘Masters of the Universe’ at ING are clever rats that they can make such a lucrative arrangement with a Finance Minister who is officially a socialist …
I’m sure in the near future there will be some extremely well paid jobs for dumb socialist politicians at ING :(

Comment by bink
2009-01-27 12:11:12

nhz, I appreciate your comments and don’t normally like to play the role of grammar/spelling Nazi. But there’s no such word as “loosing” ;)

Comment by bluprint
2009-01-27 17:29:02

I…don’t normally like to play the role of grammar/spelling Nazi. But…

It’s kinda like when someone says “No offense but…” you know whatever comes next is going to be offensive.

“No disrespect intended but…”
“I’m not racist but…”
“I’m pro free-market too, but…”

etc.

 
 
Comment by bink
2009-01-27 12:12:45

Well, my last comment didn’t go though, but “loosing” isn’t the word you’re looking for there. Lose, losing.

Loosing means something completely different.

Comment by nhz
2009-01-27 13:45:44

sorry, my english is not that good … will try to remember for next time ;)

Comment by nycjoe
2009-01-27 15:25:45

Fear not, nhz, it’s better than my Dutch, or Flemish, “my” French, too!

If anybody finds this sort of slip annoying they should visit, say, a pool-related Web site, where the, er, grammer of American-born cue artists (the result of many misspent utes) would soon have you loosing your mind. If the post was about the mythological Fast Eddie Felson, he’d be saying, “Fast and lose, fast and lose, Eddie.”

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Comment by CA renter
2009-01-28 03:52:56

LOL! :)

 
 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-01-27 15:18:18

bink, lighten up; English is not his first language, and in spite of that nhz is quite fluent. (I’ve always been amazed at how many people in the Netherlands speak English fluently).

How’s your Dutch, bink–flawless?

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2009-01-27 09:15:13

From Yahoo

Atlanta – It’s not unusual for Jennifer Litkowiec to have problems with her husband’s off-the-wall ideas, but this one took the cake.

Hispanic gangs had seeped into the couple’s quiet corner of the working-class town of Cudahy, Wis., just south of Milwaukee, stealing garage door openers and returning later to score the contents.

So what was Jason Litkowiec’s plan? Shine a light on the night. “I finally had enough,” he says.

Against his wife’s loud protestations, the young steamfitter joined a dozen other neighborhood men and set up the Rosewood night patrol.

Armed with nothing but flashlights and cellphones, the group followed suspicious cars and even set up an impromptu sting when a neighbor left town and forgot to close his garage door. They called in police to arrest the suspects after a brief chase.

High foreclosure rates, a spike in brazen break-ins, and slashed police budgets are causing turmoil in America’s transitioning urban communities, auguring what Atlanta anticrime activist Larry Ely calls an “urban war.”

Comment by bluprint
2009-01-27 09:22:27

and slashed police budgets

As if police ever prevent crimes…

At best they report on crimes and maybe find a culprit or two after the fact.

Comment by palmetto
2009-01-27 09:56:31

“At best they report on crimes and maybe find a culprit or two after the fact.”

Ain’t it da trute?

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-01-27 11:52:38

Police may indirectly prevent crimes. By patrolling in a highly visible manner they may keep people from committing crimes However, the same may be true of lots of civilians with concealed carry permits, and this won’t cost the taxpayers anything.

Comment by not a gator
2009-01-27 19:09:30

lots of civilians w/ concealed firearms my prevent ME from COMMITTING AN ACT OF PURCHASE of any good or service in that area

law-abiders are risk-averse
criminals don’t think they’ll get caught

that’s why the NRA is full of baloney

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Comment by Asparagus
2009-01-27 10:07:54

The neighbors should go after federal funding. They could call themselves a pilot-program.

Let’s see, cell phones, flashlights, that’s about $100 bucks per person x 12 people, for $1,200 total.

Oh, wait… servers, website hosting and design, administrative offices, community outreach marketing, promotional video costs, media relations person, drone planes, surveillance camera’s, taser guns, …..

We better play it safe and round up to $120 million.

Comment by Blano
2009-01-27 10:52:44

Or community organizers.

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-01-28 04:08:34

Personally, I’m looking forward to the rebirth of the Guardian Angels.

As stated above, police do not deter crime, but committed (possibly armed) citizens do.

I fear the gangs and criminals far more than I do vigilante groups. Bring them on!

 
 
 
Comment by not a gator
2009-01-27 09:15:58

Well, the Dentist this morning told me I have elevated blood pressure for the first time. It was probably from watching Roger and Me and reading Middle Class Millionaires (horrid book–one of the co-authors wrote the entirely undistinguished Armchair Millionaire which is like The Automatic Millionaire if written by somebody with no vertu of the literary variety. Or spine or morals. moving right along) all together in one day.

Middle-Class Millionaires is a wonderful if entirely unwitting profile of Bubblonians. An entire chapter is given to a “smart growth” planned community in Rancho Mission Viejo, which they abbreviate “RMV” like the Registry of Motor Vehicles? These two seem to have mastered the art of perpetual cluelessness. I’m surprised the author blurbs didn’t talk about their real estate licenses. They also spend several paragraphs scolding the dumb, old middle class for not participating in the seminar circuit or hiring life coaches.

In this entirely scatterbrained book, they end on a note of panic, cautioning that in most field the wage spoils are going to a few superstars while others of equivalent education and ability are seeing their incomes shrink with inflation. If you don’t jump on their bandwagon, you’ll be left behind. Worse, they scold at one point, you’re an idiot for not using “millionaire intelligence” to identify new opportunities and are therefore an asshole deserving of penury. Ooookay.

Look, I may have left the RCC, but it’s hard to wring the Catholic out of me even now. Artful apologies for greed make my blood boil. The only thing that comforts me right now is the sure knowledge that some of the “saavy” investors profiled in the book are getting introduced to JT’s right now. The book makes it clear that doubling down on housing was not simply an “investment” (greed) but that it was about “lifestyle” (gluttony) and “expressing middle-class values” (envy). And sloth? Well, they pay lip service to hard work (we DESERVE 10x the pay because WE WORK SO HARD) but like any motivational speaker promise that by networking and “putting yourself in the flow of money” you can bag dozens of high paying clients without really having to work for it.

Do you know why these are deadly sins? Because they are all a laziness that begins in the mind. They are magical thinking made manifest. (”one more bon-bon won’t hurt” “I can do it tomorrow” “if I can just make the big score, I can retire”).

Whew. I feel better now. Or maybe it’s the homemade pecan pie w/ grandma’s pie crust. Next time I’ll use real lard instead of that shelf-stable crap.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 09:35:45

Shouldn’t you ALWAYS use lard instead of the cr@pola? ;-)

Comment by not a gator
2009-01-27 09:44:05

Publix does not sell fresh lard. I was kind of set on buying it so I bought that ConAgra crap.

Next time I will use a different supermarket.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 09:51:23

Surely you can find a Mexican supermercado somewhere where you are. :-D

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Comment by Mikey(2)
2009-01-27 09:55:05

Nice rant. Sorry to hear about your BP; hope you’re going to try to control it through diet, exercise, and stress reduction before resorting to chemicals.

It’s alarming how making more by doing less has become a mantra of sorts in this country. “Work smarter not harder,” has come to mean, “Don’t work; make money by doing nothing.” And we wonder why the country is in the shape it is in.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 10:20:30

You agree about the financial rant and you don’t rant about the travesty that is shelf-stable in making pies?

What is wrong with this country, I ask myself daily? Where are your priorities? :-D

 
 
Comment by incredulous
2009-01-27 11:31:01

High BP is extremely over-sensationalized by the pharmaceutical companies. We’ve all heard that it increases your chances of a heart attach by 50%, which sounds horrific. However they derive that from a study which showed over a 5yr stretch, the population of those with high BP in their 60’s suffered a 3% occurrance of heart attack vs 2% of those with normal BP (indeed a 50% increase in risk, but still a very low risk compared with the risk of everything else we face on an everyday basis). Ask yourself, is it really worth the time, expense, risk of side-effects, etc. to only reduce your chance of heart attack from 3% to 2%?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 11:36:07

Most studies are like this.

While there are fairly obvious killers (diabetes, etc.) the vast majority of the stuff is hyped beyond belief.

Of course, they never talk about QoL issues. What good are the extra five years if you are miserable?

Please note that this is not an argument for leading an unhealthy lifestyle just one for a modicum of reason in whatever you do.

 
Comment by not a gator
2009-01-27 19:13:50

Well, I have two issues:

First, if my BP gets too high, I’ll only be issued a one-year DOT card, which means that stupid exam (including chest xray??? why is this necessary?) every year to keep my CDL;

Second, I started at a very low baseline. I know some increase just comes with urban bus driving, but an ever-increasing BP is something I need to keep an eye on.

Actually, it was a relief to be told my BP was up because I’ve been feeling weird for several days, especially after having salty foods. I think I’ve had too much salt and too little exercise lately, so I’m going to work on rectifying that.

And no, not considering drugs–I’m not anywhere near that point.

 
 
 
Comment by SawItComing
2009-01-27 09:30:24

Last week there was a thread about the English languange being altered. Customers are now consumers, and my favorite: taxes are now contributions.

Well now I guess IBM is not having a layoff today, thay are merely selecting workers to participate in the “current resource reduction action”. The turd who thought up that title should be slapped.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/10460001/1/ibm-cutting-more-than-2800-jobs-report.html

Comment by bluprint
2009-01-27 10:12:19

Back in ‘99 or so, a company I worked for did NOT lay anyone off however some people were “deselected”. So, we had a deselection in which some people were given the opportunity to find opportunites elsewhere…or something like that. It was absurd.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 10:30:06

You know, if more people had bothered to understand Saussure about the “arbitrariness of the signifier”, we wouldn’t have these absurd situations.

Somebody please tell Starbucks too that changing S/M/L to whatever doesn’t change the sizes.

Comment by packman
2009-01-27 10:50:51

Ha ha. Yeah when I got into Starbucks (rarely) I always tell them “give me a large” and just let them figure it out. What a stupid thing.

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Comment by bluprint
2009-01-27 11:08:40

I’m not a big coffee drinker but when the wife and I were traveling in December while at the airport we went into a Starbucks. At that time I was not “in the know” with regard to their special sizing. So I order a large whatever it was. The lady behind the counter asks if I meant some other size (jumbo grande mucka mucka, blah blah or some such) and we just stare at each other in mutual confusion until my wife (who IS in the know about starbucks) trys to explain their sizing scheme to me.

Somewhere along the way in my life I developed a characteristic (I won’t call it an ability or a fault as I haven’t decided if it’s beneficial or not) in which I just automatically reject stupid or wasteful information or things (e.g. there is no benefit at all in me wasting brain cycles on translating starbuck’s size scheme to a useful standard I can understand, therefore even an explanation seems to not take with me).

I ended up just pointing to a cup, “that one”.

 
Comment by incredulous
2009-01-27 11:35:30

I not only order large, but I emphasize the word ‘large’. I would truly rather drop dead than say venti or whatever idiotic word they use. It cracks me up to hear the other sheeple doing it though. LOL

 
Comment by lavi d
2009-01-27 11:58:12

It cracks me up to hear the other sheeple doing it though. LOL

Ha ha!

The other “sheeple” are probably cracking up listening to the poor fool who doesn’t know how to order in a Starbucks!

;)

 
Comment by (Soon to be ex-) GS fixer
2009-01-27 14:33:17

A new trick I’ve seen on menus…..only having “medium” and “large” showing on the menu. They still have “small”, but you have to specifically request it.

 
Comment by sagesse
2009-01-27 14:47:07

Have said about a million times to these baristas at Starbucks, that I am only willing to speak English, in the US. The look I get is usually bland.
In Italy, there are no coffees that are called ‘venti’s.

I usually order a small coffee, and was for years was given a ‘tall’. Turns out, after years of this, they do have small, which is called ’short’. It is cheaper and the amount is exactly what I want. They pretended not to understand ’small’. Idiots.

 
Comment by nycjoe
2009-01-27 15:39:01

Wow, you guys would really rather waste a half-minute and a half-dozen words on some ex-Realtor “barista” than just say “grande” and get outta there quick?

 
Comment by nycjoe
2009-01-27 15:40:57

Then again, you guys are right. I could NEVER bring myself to use the word “venti.”

 
Comment by sfrenter
2009-01-27 17:28:49

Just go to Peet’s instead

 
Comment by ella
2009-01-27 17:33:26

“What a stupid thing.”

It was pretty smart, really. By changing as many variables as possible, including language and shop layout (putting baristas up ront), they differentiated themselves from the “standard” coffee shop environment, allowing them to charge significantly more than their competitors and the established price of coffee and a danish. They didn’t do it just to be pretentious, they had to do as much as possible to create an image of a different scale of value. Before they existed, the idea of charging $3 for a coffee seemed ludicrous to most people. They succeeded in changing many people’s idea of what is reasonable or even standard to pay. Not that inflated spending in general didn’t help ^_^ !

Once they had created a sense of normalcy about charging so much for coffee, they didn’t have to keep up many of the fancy coffee-shop stylings (like serving coffee in a bodum coffee press and so on).* The Starbucks vocabulary costs nothing to the company and remains. Given the backlash against them, I wonder if they will at some point change back to more meat-and-potatoes wording (now that they are competing with McDonalds again).

I associate Starbucks with working late: the place you go when nothing else is open, so I cannot enjoy and don’t even like the smell of their coffee.

(*Stolen from Dan Ariely.)

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-01-27 17:40:00

“Turns out, after years of this, they do have small, which is called ’short’.”

If short is small, does that mean tall is medium? And if so, then grande really IS large?

But if the baristas get confused and ask if you mean the largest when you say “grande”, that would mean that their reference point comes from venti and that short is really x-tra small and not small.

I’m so confused…

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-01-27 17:41:26

LOL, what sfrenter said! Which is what I usually do and why I don’t understand the other system.

 
Comment by packman
2009-01-27 18:46:25

“Just go to Peet’s instead”

I used to, but alas - none in the east. However they do have 12oz bags at Safeway though.

(Note - not 1lb bags anymore - inflation y’know :-) )

 
Comment by not a gator
2009-01-27 19:17:32

I usually order a small coffee, and was for years was given a ‘tall’. Turns out, after years of this, they do have small, which is called ’short’. It is cheaper and the amount is exactly what I want. They pretended not to understand ’small’. Idiots.

+20

yes! yes! yes! I have had the same experience, sagesse. I found out about the “short” because I specifically asked for “kid sized” hot chocolate. I can’t drink 12oz cocoa–it’s too sweet for that. So now I ask for 8oz cocoa.

 
Comment by not a gator
2009-01-27 19:19:20

Did all the Peet’s in Boston close? There was one in Newton Centre and another in the Barnyard.

 
Comment by ella
2009-01-27 20:33:49

Starbucks plans to save $400 million by not brewing decaf after noon. That’s a lot of decaf they were chucking, I guess.

Bit confusing, though: who were all the weirdos ordering decaf before noon but not after?

 
Comment by packman
2009-01-27 20:51:43

Not sure about Peet’s in Boston. None here in NoVA at least - I thought there were only west coast, but I guess not. May have to make a trip up to Beantown!

At least I can get it in the stores, though I know it’s not as good quality as in the cafes.

 
 
Comment by ella
2009-01-27 18:49:09

“You know, if more people had bothered to understand Saussure about the “arbitrariness of the signifier”, we wouldn’t have these absurd situations.”

One of the nice things about the advance of time is that you can now more or less pick up your postmodern dialectics from a decent South Park. The power of the “venti” terminology is probably in the power of the sign and not the signifier…but college is a long way off and I suspect my teacher was slightly bananas.

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Comment by ACH
2009-01-27 09:52:02

OT- Is there Louis Rukeyser anywhere on the horizon? or do I have to put up with Kudlow and Cramer for the duration? I really need some reasoned commentary and civil discourse. I miss Louis.

Roidy

Comment by Blano
2009-01-27 10:07:51

I kinda like hearing what they and their cohorts have to say, then comparing and contrasting it to things I read and/or are linked to here.

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-01-27 10:27:55

Lou was great. PBS really screwed up when they dumped him.

Did you see the Playboy interview wherein he posed in the nude, covering himself modestly with a copy of the WSJ? :)

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-01-27 10:56:30

I was raised with x6 siblings…5 older…they did the same thing…talk over, talk around, talk through…everyone within their yelling earshot…my sanctuary was the tree house with Whitman.

Now when I hear: “…blah, blah, blah,” …my mind hits the mute/memory-dump-cache…followed by: external smile & internal glee in knowing: “vital energy in self-repose mode, nothing of value has been expended or damaged.”

I especially like yellers like… Rash Limpbaugh & Dawn insHannity, they have such deep pools of self-reflection… forth which emanate the salvation’s for humanity… ;-)

“Everything I ever needed to know about politics…I learned from the Loony Tunes!” :-)

Comment by ravi
2009-01-27 13:39:40

Much like Keith Loserman. Smiley face back at ya.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-01-27 14:57:36

(Hwy50 slaps the ping pong limpbaughs back at ya) ;-)

Robert Reich’s Blog:

An Open Letter to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Michelle Malkin

In a time like this, when tempers are riding high and many Americans are close to panic about their jobs and finances, you have a special responsibility to consider the accuracy of what you say and the consequences of inflammatory and erroneous statements. In the last few days, manifestly distorting my words and pulling them out of context, you have accused me of wanting to exclude white males from jobs generated by the stimulus package. Anyone who takes a moment to examine what I actually said and wrote knows this to be an absurd misrepresentation of my position (see this). My goal is and has always been to create as many opportunities for as wide a group as possible, and not exclude anyone from access. There is and has never been any ambiguity about this. The hate mail I have received since your broadcast suggests that the mischievous consequences of your demagoguery are potentially dangerous, in addition to being destructive of rational and constructive political discourse. I urge you to take responsibility for your words. Words and ideas have real world consequences, and you have demonstrated a cavalier disregard for both.

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Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-01-27 18:47:08

“I urge you to take responsibility for your words. Words and ideas have real world consequences, and you have demonstrated a cavalier disregard for both.”

Quick, someone cc this to the Vice President!

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2009-01-27 14:02:59

Try Nightly Business Report with Paul Kangas and Susie Gharib on PBS. It’s more news than commentary, but who needs commentary?

A guy at my investment house told me that that Bloomerberg is the “cleanest.”

Comment by ACH
2009-01-27 14:13:05

Bloomberg is the best one, but that is not really a compliment to them. CNBC? That is the tarpit that Bloomberg is compared to. I’m have long believed that people and organizations are indeed defined by their competition. CNBC defines Bloomberg. CNBC is the very worst, and so Bloomberg thinks that “.. as long as I’m better than they are…”

Roidy

Comment by bluto
2009-01-27 15:44:06

Were they talking about Bloomberg TV, which sucks but not as much as everything else, or the Bloomberg, which doesn’t suck but costs $1,500/mo?

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Comment by ACH
2009-01-27 20:51:45

I realize the difference. They are talking about the Bloomberg TV.
Roidy

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-27 10:44:14

Jan. 27 (Bloomberg) — State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance Co., the largest property insurer in the U.S., plans to withdraw from the residential market in Florida after a request for a rate increase was denied by regulators.

“We regret the impact this will have on our customers, employees and agents,” Bloomington, Illinois-based State Farm said today in an e-mailed statement. The insurer, owned by its policyholders, cited risks from hurricanes.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 10:51:37

Ooh yeah, now that’s the ticket!

“Crashing Hurricane, Hidden Costs” - the latest action movie out of Florida. ;-)

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 11:08:55

Just in case people need one of those “refresher courses”:

In Miami, Ron Shuffield, president of Esslinger-Wooten-Maxwell Realtors, predicted that a limited supply of land coupled with demand from baby boomers and foreigners would prolong the boom indefinitely.

“South Florida,” he said, “is working off of a totally new economic model than any of us have ever experienced in the past.”

Comment by incredulous
2009-01-27 11:38:55

Thank you, good for a chuckle. There’s probably a lot of newbies here that never saw that one.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-01-27 15:26:20

One of my favorite quotes _ever_!!! :-)

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Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2009-01-27 11:22:15

I lived in Hawaii, courtesy of teh U.S. Navy, when Iniki came through and took out Kawai.

The U.S. government looked at its high risk huricane areas, of which Hawaii was only medium risk. The decided to move Hawaii up.

But, federal regulations limit what % of policies any insurer can have in high risk areas. So, moving HI up, put many of them over the legal limit. By law, they had to reduce their exposure, so they quit writing policies in HI.

Well, this made it hard, and much more expensive to get home owners’ insurance in HI.

So, what did the state do? They passed a law that any insurance company over a certain size, that was not currently writing new home owners’ policies, could not also write auto insurance policies. The idea was to blackmail the insurance companies into cutting back in other states instead of HI.

The result? It became very difficult and expensive to get car insurance.

Comment by shane
2009-01-27 12:35:41

I am an insurance agent. Either the State of Florida will bend with the rate increase request, or Florida will see a continued flow of policyholders into the Florida Insurance Pool (the insurer of last resort). State Insurance Pools typically have to operate with a large subsidy from Tax Payers, because they carry the risks that the private sector will not carry. And typically, Insurers refuse to provide coverage in areas where they consistently lose money.

Bottom line: Florida is on the same track as Hawaii, and this year it will become evident that it is more expensive and difficult to insure anything, in Florida.

Allstate pulled out over one year ago, now State Farm. Together, they probably represented one-third of all homes insured in Florida. That is a huge issue.

Insuring is all about pooling risks. But several years ago, when Insurance Companies decided not to subsidize risks with their respective investment portfolios (translated: when their investment portfolios tanked, 2000-2002) most companies began to look at risks and premiums (price of insurance) on a state-by-state basis. What they found was that States with low risks and lower valued homes were subsidizing the keeping of rates low in more expensive and ‘riskier’ locales (e.g. Florida and California). Since that time, insurance rates have become much more “localized” for both auto and homeowners insurance. Now rates in areas prone to natural disasters are beginning to reflect that risk more directly in their pricing. The subsidies are being stripped away.

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2009-01-27 13:33:09

As they should….

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Comment by Skip
2009-01-27 13:52:11

Yet people still build in flood plains and bitch about the water.

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Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-01-27 18:52:12

We experienced a big change in insurance costs moving IN state, from Dallas to Houston. Our home insurance cost/valuation more than doubled. Car insurance also made a major leap.

Very localized these days. (Particularly if you live in a hurricane area.)

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Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-27 10:50:33

Bloomberg: “There is nowhere to hide,” Roubini … said in an interview with Bloomberg Television. “We have for the first time in decades a global synchronized recession. Markets have become perfectly correlated and economies are also becoming perfectly correlated. This is not your kind of traditional minor recession.”

Roubini said the U.S. government should nationalize the biggest banks and absorb their bad holdings because losses will exceed assets, threatening to push them into bankruptcy. The banks could be privatized again in two or three years, Roubini said. The professor reiterated his previous prediction that U.S. financial losses may reach $3.6 trillion.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-01-27 18:32:03

Volume is dropping off and it should be back to business time - no more holiday/political distractions, what do you see?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-01-27 10:53:46

OUCH!

California’s top elected Democrats reject furlough plan
By Shane Goldmacher
sgoldmacher@sacbee.com
Published: Tuesday, Jan. 13, 2009 | Page 1A

All six of California’s elected statewide Democrats are refusing to implement Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s plan to furlough state workers for two unpaid days each month.

Calling Schwarzenegger’s executive order “unfair,” in the words of Secretary of State Debra Bowen, and “a hardship on the backs of our employees,” as Treasurer Bill Lockyer said, the Democrats have exempted their own departments.

Last Friday, Schwarzenegger ordered all nonessential state departments to shutter their doors on the first and third Fridays every month through June 2010, saving the state an estimated $1.3 billion over the next 18 months.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 10:59:03

Californication!!! This is sure to end well.

BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-27 13:20:44

Yes and Arnold thought he would be better than Gray Davis. I’m going to say this again, Gray Davis is laughing his ass off. :)

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-01-27 15:22:43

The “Gropernator” seems to be groping at full tit …opps, full tilt.

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Comment by james
2009-01-27 11:53:40

Well, eventually the employees will be working for free anyway. or IOUs.

Either way.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 12:06:41

The employees won’t be working at all.

Just like normal times.

But the Messiah™ will save them.

Comment by packman
2009-01-27 13:02:26

Yes he will. You know that $169 Billion of the stimulus package is allocated directly to help the states’ budgets, right?

Nice to know that all of us are going to feel California’s pain.

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Comment by packman
2009-01-27 13:03:40

(I should say “Yes he will…. try” to save them. Key word being “try”)

 
Comment by Earl The Vagabond
2009-01-28 08:56:25

Well, being from NY, I’m glad my state is in rough shape. I’d HATE to miss out on those Fed handouts because my state was financially prudent…

:rollseyes:

 
 
 
 
Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-01-27 18:56:42

I stand corrected on the efficacy of the CA legislature’s strategy for the fiscal crisis.

Cut costs: No
Raise Taxes: No
Furlough workers: HELL NO!
Have they voted on the administrations rumored plan to delay tax returns yet? (Let’s just give them an expected No on this one too.)

Wait for Federal bailout: defacto YES

 
 
Comment by clue
2009-01-27 11:25:19

Senate punches Timmeys card.

In Goldman Sachs We Trust.

Comment by clue
2009-01-27 16:46:35

Newly installed Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner issued new rules Tuesday restricting contacts with lobbyists – and then hired one to be his top aide.

Mark Patterson, a former advocate for Goldman Sachs, will serve as chief of staff to Geithner as the Treasury Department revamps the Wall Street bailout program that sent an infusion of cash to his former employer.
—-

I got a golden ticket….

Comment by vozworth
2009-01-27 19:53:36

Stephen Friedman, chairman of the New York Fed’s Board of Directors and of the search committee that selected Mr. Dudley, said, “We were fortunate to have an exceptional slate of candidates for the post. The board is very pleased with the selection of Bill Dudley. His deep economics background, extensive working knowledge of the markets and hands-on policy making role make him an outstanding choice to succeed Tim Geithner.”


seamless transitions of power…a thing of beauty.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 21:15:21

Last week, the White House announced the president had waived the ethics rules to clear the way for the nomination of William Lynn, a former Raytheon lobbyist, to be deputy defense secretary.

LOL. The Messiah™’s new “ethics”.

ROTFLMAO @ the deluded.

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Comment by not a gator
2009-01-27 11:41:56

WOOHOO! Perp walk!


AIG executive sentenced to 4 years in prison
Former AIG executive gets 4 years in prison for $500M fraud

* Susan Haigh, Associated Press Writer
* Tuesday January 27, 2009, 1:25 pm EST

HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — A former executive of insurance heavyweight American International Group Inc. was sentenced to four years in prison Tuesday in a fraud case that authorities say cost shareholders more than $500 million.

Christian Milton of Wynnewood, Pa., declined to comment during a hearing in U.S. District Court in Hartford. He was ordered to report to the federal Bureau of Prisons on March 25, and his lawyers said they were preparing an appeal.

Judge Christopher Droney also fined Milton $200,000.

Comment by Bub Diddley
2009-01-27 12:16:32

On the one hand, I’m glad to see somebody going to jail.

On the other hand, 500 MILLION in fraud, and he gets 4 years? FOUR YEARS!? That’s one year in jail for each 125 million stolen.

And fined only 200k? I don’t know how much he profited, but I bet the 200 grand doesn’t make much of a dent in his take.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-01-27 12:48:49

And to think, the PTB thinks they’ve the moral right to chastise underwater FBs for walking.

Comment by measton
2009-01-27 12:53:11

That fine doesn’t include the millions he had to spend on politicians and judges in order to get this light sentance. Give the guy a break I’ll bet he is really sorry about what he did?????????????????

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Comment by ella
2009-01-27 20:42:19

“Four years…That’s one year in jail for each 125 million stolen.”

Oh, Law. Don’t you get that for stealing a popsicle and a $100? I’m only partly joking when I say…didn’t these people read about the French revolution? Sophia Coppola even made a snappy 2-hour music video about it for those without the time to read a book.

 
 
 
Comment by whino
2009-01-27 12:23:31

Your TARP money at work, on Wall Street

Pfizer offered Wyeth shareholders $22.5 billion in cash — along with the $45.5 billion in Pfizer stock — and it needed to raise that money from the banks that have the capability to provide such vast sums, most of which probably came from the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/27/news/economy/tarp.fortune/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote

Comment by vozworth
2009-01-27 20:02:05

Now we learn that after it was evident that the US taxpayer was going to subsidize the Merrill acquisition, the Merrill compensation committee accelerated bonus payments by a month to make sure they were paid out before the BofA deal closed.

Efforts are being made to minimize the amount involved (it is claimed to be only $3-$4 billion, but the fact is amounts were reserved in prior quarters that are excessive in light of full year performance. So the fact that some of the amounts were allowed for in previous quarters is misleading).

Were Merrill bankrupt, the bonus payments could be deemed fraudulent conveyance and clawed back. But we don’t do either financial firm bankruptcies or clawbacks in this country.

-self-evident

 
 
Comment by measton
2009-01-27 12:51:39

Jan. 27 (Bloomberg) — When it comes to transparency, the world’s bankers won’t surrender without a fight.

Even with capitalism suffering its biggest crisis since the Great Depression — a meltdown born and nurtured in opaque markets from subprime mortgages to credit-default swaps — the bankers gathering with politicians in the Swiss resort of Davos this week may be unwilling to allow too much sunshine into the dark corners of their business.

“The financial system will kick back against transparency,” says Joseph Stiglitz, the Columbia University economist and Nobel Prize winner who’ll be in Davos.

“Those working in markets see information as power and money, so they depend on a lack of transparency for success,” says Stiglitz, who won his Nobel for research on information asymmetry — what happens when one party in a transaction has access to knowledge that others don’t.

So when one party knows that a MBS is worth less than the money it’s printed on, they do have an advantage when trying to sell said worthless paper to gov, pensions, 401k’s, ect ect.

I think a small nuc dropped directly on Davos might solve a lot of our problems.

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2009-01-27 13:29:58

Which poster is it here that talks about the “inner party” and that profit comes from arbitraging the difference between the truth and the lie.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 15:42:39

Every trader/investor does that. How do you think they make their money otherwise?

Comment by vozworth
2009-01-27 19:59:30

arbiture of market inefficiency with moral hazard…exposed

BURN THE WITCH !!

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Comment by ella
2009-01-27 20:31:01

“BURN THE WITCH !!”

That’s not very nice. Give her a fighting chance. You’re supposed to *drown* the witch, and if she drowns she wasn’t really a witch, and if she doesn’t drown, only then do you need to burn her. Don’t get so hysterical. ;)

 
 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-27 21:17:22

That would be Smith, Winston — Ministry of Rectification.

 
 
 
Comment by Paul in Florida
2009-01-27 13:09:43

Here´s my new theory. Before (or as) countries/economies fail they have a tendency to elect outsiders. These outsiders - Hitler (an Austrian vagabond), Stalin (from Georgia), Napoleon (a Corsican) - start out as tremendous, never-the-likes-of-which-before-seen national heroes who have huge national approval, allowing them to consolidate and then abuse phenomenal power.

Could the U.S. and Obama be in this category? Obama fits the outsider mold not so much because he´s black, but because he grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia, and his parents and step-father and apparently most of his early mentors were Communists (politely-called ¨fellow-travelers¨) or Muslims.

Now, admitedly, we have Sarkozy (Hungarian extraction) in France, Fujimori (Japanese extraction) formerly in Peru - but both of these are more mainstream inside their culture than Obama.

Anyway, just a thought, as I find an internet cafe here in this remote oupost in an obscure Latin American country. (Actually not that remote - Pable Escobar ran a global enterprise from here.)

Comment by muir
2009-01-27 15:15:56

I think you need some JD, neat.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 15:34:13

Four fingers of it (or more.)

And some ranting. We’ve all been there before. In fact, each one here has their own schedule. You can even set your watches by it. Just like Switzerland. Except, we’re not bankrupt. ;-)

 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-27 16:02:10

Ummm Paul,

You do know Hawaii is a state? :)

Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-01-27 18:59:16

I think your state has to be a state for at least 3 years before you get to call it a state for birth bragging purposes ;)

 
 
Comment by ella
2009-01-27 17:37:12

“Communists (politely-called ¨fellow-travelers¨)”

I didn’t realize it was 1952. I’m going to have milkshake and dance around to Peggy Lee. Wooo!

Comment by ella
2009-01-27 18:17:17

lefty people “Good Luck, Bad Luck?” at any stage of the game and hear a different answer. And, you know, there would be no Obama without Bush.

(I am not American, so i don’t like to weigh in on your politics, but for the record, Barack Obama doesn’t seem very evil or scary to me. He seems nice and smart, looks good in a suit, and I’m not convinced he is a Muslim communist. But I don’t think he can solve the problems of the world. And you’re right, he assumes the presidency with heightened authority, from the last administration, right? Good luck, bad luck, depending on who you ask…)

Comment by ella
2009-01-27 18:30:25

UGH. I just cut my post up, and posted only the end.

Well, what I was trying to say was, Paul in Florida in Latin America, since you’re posting from complicated locales, I feel a bit badly about being so flippant.

I think what you’re saying about Obama could be viewed in light of the Chinese folk tale about good luck and bad luck. The basic story is: A farmer’s horse runs away, and his neighbours feel sorry for him, but the farmer says “Good luck, Bad luck, who knows?”. Soon his horse returns, followed by wild horses, and the farmer’s neighbours are jealous, but he says , “Good luck, Bad luck, who knows?”. The farmer’s son while breaking in one of the wild horses, breaks his leg and once again, the farmer;s neuighbours feel sorry for him, but he says, “”Good luck, Bad luck, who knows?”. And then the army comes by and conscripts all the young men in the village, sparing the farmer’s son because of his leg, etc.

The conventional moral of the story is that it is up to fate to decide what events will unfold. But you could also see the moral as being about the appearance of good in evil or vice versa. Or about the way in which the roots of “good” may be found in “evil” and how events will keep surprising you.

Under Thatcher in England, the left was very, very angry when she dismantled existing working class infrastructure (coal mines, union, drama), BUT out of the 80’s economic down times, many people became self-employed, producing cultural “products”, eventually becoming the “Cool Britannia” revolution, which was all tied in with New Labour’s massive victory over the Tories, BUT many on the left (Old Labour) felt completely abandoned by New Labour (which was much more business-friendly) and felt like success had killed their party. So you could ask lefty people “Good Luck, Bad Luck?” at any stage of the game and hear a different answer. And, you know, there would be no Obama without Bush.

Sorry if this is all full of typos, but I had to rush so I can get back to work!!

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Comment by In Montana
2009-01-27 13:40:29

Just in: Vanguard is closing out their Treasury mmkt funds.

Millions left homeless!!

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 15:04:07

Actually, they’re just closing it to new accounts.

I love hyperbole as much, or even more than the next person but I like facts better.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-01-27 15:58:03

Fidelity announced the same thing with their Treasury MM fund recently.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-01-27 16:02:08

Sorry, to clarify: by “announced the same thing”, I meant that they only closed it to new accounts, but people with existing accounts can still buy additional shares of the fund. E.G. like FPSS said.

 
 
 
Comment by nhz
2009-01-27 13:44:07

question regarding ING (Direct):

Yesterday the Dutch government took over the income stream and full risk of ING’s US mortgage portfolio - while official ownership remains at ING. This portfolio consists of Alt-A loans. It had an official value of $ 35 billion and was on the books at ING last week for $ 22 billion (I guess a realistic writedown at the moment). The government paid ING effectively $ 28 million for it, far more than its latest book value (and I guess a lot more than normal valuation for a US Alt-A portfolio).

Our finance minister says he made one heck of a deal because up to now all payments in the portfolio are coming exactly like required, so he expects all mortgages will be fully paid off. Apparently the ‘risk’ on the portfolio was determined by four ratings agencies (the big four???) who analysed the whole portfolio by ZIP code. He says there is a 75% chance that the Dutch government will make about EUR 2 billion on the deal, and a 25% chance of a EUR 600 million loss. I cannot imagine these numbers are correct, if only because no one knows how far US home values will decline and what the longer term currency risk is.

News sources say this ‘innovative solution’ is now studied by other countries for use with other ‘illiquid’ investments. It is a trick to provide banks with money without violating the IFRS rules.
Comment anyone?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 15:19:59

Being a bank means never having to say you’re sorry.

Cue Erich Segal! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! ;-)

 
Comment by John
2009-01-27 15:23:12

If the Euro loses about 50% of its value against the dollar, I think his assessment may be correct.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-01-27 18:41:07

I’ll admit that i think mortgage backed securities could be a great buy. The problem was and still is accurately rating them.

But if someone could get in there and by some means assess the true risk, they should find plenty that are way undervalued due to all the bad publicity.

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-01-28 04:41:11

I cannot imagine these numbers are correct, if only because no one knows how far US home values will decline and what the longer term currency risk is.
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While not knowing what they are holding, or what zip codes they are looking at; it’s entirely possible they are looking at zips that have not come down that much and have relatively less foreclosure activity.

Around these parts, that would include the higher-end areas where many buyers came in with down payments derived from the sales of starter or lower move-up homes. This market has been fairly stable, but also has the highest likelihood of big losses from here.

The lower end areas have already seen 50-60% declines, and are much safer to buy in. The high-end areas have seen maybe 10-20%, and are just now beginning to crack. I think they will go down harder than the lower end (contrary to popular opinion), and when one of these homes loses 30%, the dollar amount is so much greater than the lower-priced homes.

Anyway, sorry for the long post, but I think the people valuing this debt are entirely clueless. Time will tell…

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-01-27 15:17:44

Paulson,… walking in circles throwing up daisy petals:

“Am I a genius or what?” …”Put Shrub on hold, Mr. Made-Off has sent over a bicycle courier…and get me some more daisies” ;-)

AIG Said to Pay $450 Million to Retain Swaps Staff:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=avGnUgGMu1q4&refer=home

 
Comment by ella
2009-01-27 17:50:10

Whoops, I put this in the wrong thread.

Happy Tuesday.

There is a 1-hour discussion about TARP and possible bank nationalization on On Point today with Gretchen Morgenson: onpointradio dot org

I just got a call from an associate to say they’ve been let go from a large company (who supplies my company). She was a great rep. We agreed it’s dicey out there and I wished her good luck :( .

Comment by ella
2009-01-27 21:11:46

Just listened to the show. A caller called in to complain about how his small business loan was pulled to illustrate the damage of the credit crunch.

He put himself forward as a “poster child for and SBA (small business admin) loan, which is a federally backed loan program through private banks. Loan was for $75,000 (which he described sarcastically, I thought, as “whopping”). He described his net worth as in the 7 figures “unfortunately, not very liquid”. So, house and/or stocks?

In fairness to him, he said he had previously started a business which had employed 200 people at the tie of hi leaving, so I’m not saying he’s useless. But the “unfortunately, not very liquid” popped out.

The business was to be in health care, for the curious. I don’t see how all this health care is really going to turn as big a profit any more. I could see it when all the retiring boomers were going to be rich, but now? Good plan? So far entertainment, luxury goods and health care were the “common wisdom” investments I heard about to ride out future downturns (as well as RE, obv). Now I’m hearing gold…I vote liquor! It’s always liquid (hee) and it’s worth more in the bunker.

 
 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 18:35:31

Brandeis University, anticipating a budget deficit of more than $10 million over five years, voted to close its art museum and sell a collection that includes pieces by Andy Warhol and Willem de Kooning.

The 49-year-old Rose Art Museum will close this year and seek buyers for about 6,000 pieces, Dennis Nealon, a spokesman for the Waltham, Massachusetts, school, said today. The collection was appraised at about $350 million in 2007 by the university, said Michael Rush, the museum’s director.

The private school has suffered investment losses, and spent other funds on a construction boom.

“It’s like a one-two-three punch: the economy tanks, they overbuilt at the peak of the market and their largest donor was hit dramatically by the Madoff scandal,” said Mark Williams, a Boston University senior lecturer who specializes in risk management and has studied Brandeis’s finances.

“These are extraordinary times,” Reinharz said in a letter yesterday to the Brandeis community. “We cannot control or fix the nation’s economic problems. We can only do what we have been entrusted to do — act responsibly with the best interests of our students and their futures foremost in mind.”

BWAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Comment by packman
2009-01-27 18:47:53

Good thing art prices are so high - they should get a good premium.

BWAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

(oop - sorry)

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 18:54:03

Yeah, right! They’re gonna get that full $350M!

LOL

They are going to be lucky to get 60% of that amount. I bet you they ride the art market down just like the average FB.

The time to sell is when everyone wants to buy and vice-versa.

Of course, as the “jenius” academics, they know better than everyone else.

Comment by not a gator
2009-01-27 19:41:42

I’m laughing on the inside because I went to Brandeis under Reinharz and he’s a major a-hole.

(Not as major as Machen at University of Florida, and considering UF’s a land grant institution, his venality is TRULY venal.)

Good luck getting any money from me, Brand X!

I was actually considering calling the alumni association and letting them know where I was living now (since I moved so many times (like a ninja) they and their annoying mailings can’t find me now). Thank you for posting this so I would reconsider.

Brandeis has always had financial problems (really), but had achieved a major turnaround by the mid 1990’s, when Reinharz took office. Some earlier (lousy) RE investments from the 80’s were providing some income and equity on the balance sheet, and the school’s general academic level and rep were way up.

Reinharz thought he was sooo hot because he got these bigwig donors to build an ugly new “center” on campus (they “had to” tear down Ford Hall, not because it was in bad shape, but because it carried “painful memories” of the student revolt in the 1970’s). Let me guess, the Shapiros were the Madoff victims? I think they “made off” with a lot of later marks’ money, because they sure have a lot of buildings named after them.

The Rose is no loss at all–trust me, I’ve been there. In fact, their entire art program is crap. No, I take that back, they’ve got this guy who’s an expert on European art history. Does this course on St. Peter’s in the Vatican which is really primo. Oddly, I got a better grade in it than most of the art majors, who were too busy smoking weed to show up to class and take notes.

I got into it in the Justice (the Brandeis rag) with some art majors. You see, the Justice erroneously printed a photo of one of their student “artworks” upside-down. They wrote a sneering letter in which they stated that it was “rotated 360 degrees”. Naturally, I couldn’t resist responding with the utmost sarcasm. (Got printed, too.)

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 20:17:33

Man, if you keep writing stuff like that, you’ll put all the acid-dealers out of business!

LOL :-D

 
Comment by ella
2009-01-27 20:38:25

I just heard that Starbucks had ceased to brew decaf after 12PM, but I didn’t realize the effects would appear so soon ;)

“his venality is TRULY venal” I don’t know why, but this made me laugh (out loud, even!)

 
 
 
Comment by ella
2009-01-27 18:59:13

It’s funny. When we got the ability to mechanically reproduce art, it was originally thought to decrease the value of art, because everyone could have a Manet over their couch. But, it did the opposite, and gave the originals a greater sense of importance, and value. Somewhere along the way that increased value got misinterpreted or inflated or something, and swept up in its own asset bubble. I’ve been wondering when that bubble really got underway. The 1950s? The 1980s?

I would love to see what Andy Warhol would be doing today. He really understood the business of art and was a genius at seeing and forecasting trends.

 
 
 
Comment by ella
2009-01-27 19:07:52

Wow. John Thain’s office is really ugly.

Comment by vozworth
2009-01-27 19:57:17

Freight rates for containers shipped from Asia to Europe have fallen to zero for the first time since records began, underscoring the dramatic collapse in trade since the world economy buckled in October.

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you’ve obviously never pinched-a-loaf in on four legs.

no, its not the wrong thread.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 20:15:14

So the Europeans aren’t buying anything either?

So much for decoupling.

Stimulate me, baby, stimulate me! ;-)

Comment by ella
2009-01-27 20:27:55

It’s quite exciting reading to you two. Sort of like listening to in on a CB radio. Sometimes I get it and other times…it’s a big 10-1, Charlie. :)

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 21:06:21

It’s more like Cheech and Chong. :-D

 
Comment by bluprint
2009-01-27 22:03:15

“Can I see your license, sir?”

“Oh yeah, its back there on the bumper.”

 
 
Comment by crazy frog
2009-01-27 21:15:47

I know for sure that Eastern Europeans don’t. Latest data for Bulgaria, which was consistently in top 5 countries for RE appreciations for the last couples of years, shows that loans to individuals and businesses for Dec2008 vs Dec2007 shrunk 10 times. That is 1000%. Have in mind that almost all the Bulgarian banks get their money from their Western European “mother” banks, mainly Austrian banks like Raiffeisen.

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 21:22:12

They borrowed in foreign currencies - mostly CHF and EUR.

They have a thing coming to them! How do you say Iceland in Bulgarian?

 
Comment by crazy frog
2009-01-27 21:28:09

Spot on. I give them till May. Then it is all over.

The irony is that the real losers will be the Western European “mother” banks. This will push the demise of the euro a little bit closer to the edge.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-27 21:56:45

This is the “roadmap” I posted circa Mar 2008.

Serious crises coming up. Can’t just devalue ’cause they owe money denominated in foreign currency, and highly dependent on foreign capital to plug the savings gap.

Probably up first on the p00ping list: Iceland, Turkey, Hungary, New Zealand.

After that: the “Tiger” Baltics (Lithuania, Estonia, etc.), South Africa, the Balkans (Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania, etc.)

At some point: UK, Australia, Canada

P00p with a “triple flusher”: India, Thailand

Last on the p00pie pile: Brazil, China.

Somewhere in there the usual suspects will p00p really hard too: Argentina, Phillipines, etc.

 
 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-01-27 21:07:50

ROTFLMAO.

 
 
 
Comment by Don't Know Nothin About Buyin No House
2009-01-28 14:04:22

In the news: The Lupeo’s, a family of five, were found dead in their LA suburban home after father Lupeo kills his wife, children and then himself. Husband and wife had both recently been fired as medical technicians from Kaiser Permanante Health Care.

“Cecilia Yvar, 68, whose grandson often played with the Lupoes’ 5-year-old twins, said the family moved to the neighborhood four years ago. The Lupoes added a second story to their home last year, Ms. Yvar said, and landscaping to their backyard.”

So this too becomes another sad housing-related story. Lupoes probably had a decent fixed home loan acquired in 2004, then re-financed for home improvements into a variable loan with the equity gains during 2005 - 2006.

As for our friends at Kaiser Perm, how can a company fire both wage earners of a family at the same time? Lupeos apparently misrepresented their employment with Kaiser to gain some sort of child care. Certainly not a big deal in the broad scheme of things and not sure if Kaiser will come through this easily.

 
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