January 31, 2009

You Have To Face Reality Sooner Or Later

The Denver Channel reports from Colorado. “While Colorado property owners know their home values are falling, they may be surprised to learn that their taxes haven’t changed. The tax bills that are coming out now are based on evaluations done in June 2006. That was before the housing market collapsed and foreclosures drove home values down. JoAnn Groff, property tax administrator with the state of Colorado, said the system has a good and bad side for Colorado taxpayers. ‘When we are in a market that is growing dramatically and prices are going up fairly dramatically, then the lag time really does work to the advantage of the taxpayer,’ Groff said.”

The Arizona Republic. “Home sales and prices fell and foreclosures rose throughout northeast Phoenix as the nationwide housing slump continued through 2008. In all of Phoenix, home values dropped 33 percent from October 2007 to October 2008, according to ASU Professor Karl Guntermann’s Repeat Sales Index Report for January.”

“Northeast Phoenix dodged the bullet for a while, said Jim Belfiore of Belfiore Real Estate Consulting. But it is catching up now. He said condos especially are in trouble, with costs of land and construction far outpacing the prices developers can hope to get for their units. He said he expects several projects to fail in 2009. Foreclosures, which have driven prices down, rose in northeast Phoenix from 287 in the year that ended in October 2007 to 807 a year later.”

The Peoria Times from Arizona. “The housing drag on the economy will end, said Economic forecaster Elliott Pollack. But in its place, the commercial market ‘is about to fall in the abyss.’ ‘Is there anything left to shock us?’ he asked. ‘We have a one horsepower economy now.’”

“Even with the oversupply, Pollack said builders are still building. Today, 9,800 units are under construction - a two-year supply. ‘Affordability has greatly improved,’ he said. ‘The problem is excess supply.’”

“He blames most of where the economy is today on too much credit being extended between the years 2002 and 2006. When it comes to credit, he said, ‘Think about the 70s. When it comes to savings, think about the 50s.’”

The National Post on Arizona. “There are some great opportunities for Canadians to buy a place in the sun with homes prices across Arizona plummeting in the past year, says real estate agent Elisa Andreis. ‘Prices are down 30% to 35%, so it’s fantastic for buyers,’ says Ms. Andreis who is working with a handful of Canadians anxious to snap up vacation homes in the mountain community of Sedona.”

“Ms. Andreis has seen prices drop at both ends of the market, but says the deepest discounts are in the luxury side of the housing market. Sedona homes that previously changed hands for more than US$1.2-million are now selling for under US$800,000, she says.”

“When the property market began to slow in 2007, Bill Bohon decided not to sell and instead rented out his three-bedroom Sedona townhome until the market picked up. Fast forward to today, and things have gone from bad to worse. His 2,800-square-foot home, loaded with extras such as granite kitchens and baths, a private elevator and stunning red rock views, is now listed for US$525,000, down more than US$200,000 from its 2006 valuation of US$750,000.”

“‘Our economy here in Sedona is still quite strong, but people who want to move down here from the northern states can’t sell their homes there,’ says Mr. Bohon, a retired executive for the Ford Motor Co.”

The Arizona Daily Sun. “Flagstaff home prices continue to slide a bit — not enough to loosen up the market. According to figures from the Northern Arizona Association of Realtors, there were just 33 sales of single-family homes in the city in December. That’s down 25 percent from the same month a year ago and 46 percent from two years ago.”

“The median price saw a drop in December of 5 percent from a year ago, with single-family homes selling for $335,000.”

“Jim Snook, a Realtor with Dallas Real Estate, said he has seen his share of short sales as well in northern Arizona. Snook said short sales can be complicated by circumstances, such as when the loan has been bundled and sold to groups of investors or when the property has multiple owners. In either example, all parties must agree to the short sale in order to go forward. He said sometimes it is just easier to let a property go to the foreclosure stage than navigating the red tape and paperwork on a short sale deal.”

Deidre Craig, the new president of the Northern Arizona Association of Realtors, agrees that some short sales can be very difficult to complete. The seller might agree to the buyer’s offer, she said, but some banks can drag their feet. ‘I’ve got one that I am waiting for approval from the bank since October,’ she said.”

The Salt Lake Tribune from Utah. “The Utah Department of Financial Institutions on Friday declared Cottonwood Heights-based MagnetBank insolvent and stepped in to seize the three-year old state-chartered financial institution. Its fortunes were tied to the struggling commercial real estate industry.”

“‘We would have much preferred finding someone to purchase MagnetBank,’ said David Barr, spokesman for the FDIC. ‘But over the past weeks we had contacted more than 320 potential bidders and didn’t find anyone who was interested.’”

“The last time the FDIC was unable to find someone to take over a failed bank was in 2004, Barr said.”

“Utah’s economy contracted sharply in the final months of last year as mounting job losses that had been centered in construction finally spilled over to other sectors. For most of the year, most of the jobs lost in Utah were in construction. Beginning in November, economists saw evidence the losses were spreading to other sectors.”

“‘It’s expanded from residential construction to everything up and down the street, and that’s what we are facing as we go into 2009,’ said Wells Fargo bank economist Kelly Matthews.”

The Reno Gazette Journal from Nevada. “The majority of Washoe County residents think that house prices in Northern Nevada are still overpriced despite steep declines in home values last year. More than half of residents surveyed by a Reno Gazette-Journal/Channel 2 News poll thought that home prices in Washoe County are higher than they should be, with 38 percent saying prices are ‘too high’ and 19 percent saying prices are ‘a little high.’”

“In comparison, only 4 percent of respondents said home prices were either ‘a bit low’ or ‘too low.’ Twelve percent said prices are just about right while 21 percent said they were unsure.”

“The notion that house prices in Washoe are too high pervaded the survey despite reports showing area home values plummeting in 2008. A report released this month by Chase International found that median and average home prices dropped in the Reno-Sparks area by 19 percent and 21 percent respectively from 2007.”

“Survey respondents who said prices were too high also said so in relation to median incomes, which they believe is still lagging behind home values. ‘Obviously, prices have come down, but they haven’t gone down far enough because people can’t afford to buy a home because of their income,’ said pollster Del Ali, president of Maryland-based Research 2000, which conducted the survey. ‘It just shows you the dire straits that everyone’s in.’”

The Las Vegas Sun from Nevada. “Astoria Homes, one of Las Vegas’ largest private builders, announced it stopped constructing homes after lenders foreclosed on three of its neighborhoods. Astoria President Tom McCormick said the company didn’t miss any interest payments on its short-term loans, but its lenders in two developments in Aliante and the northwest were no longer interested in extending them — as is common — and foreclosed on the neighborhoods.”

“‘They told us they didn’t want to go forward so, ‘Pay us off, or get us out. We don’t want to build anymore,’ McCormick said. ‘We were selling homes and making payments on the loans. We told them, ‘There is no one to pay you off.’”

“Like Astoria, Concordia Homes has also stopped building homes, and housing analyst Dennis Smith says he wouldn’t be surprised if more builders take that route because of the lack of capital and inability to make a profit. Many builders have been operating that way for several quarters to keep people employed and generate cash flow to pay their expenses, Smith said.”

“‘If you can’t make a profit, then why build?’ Smith said. ‘You have to face reality sooner or later.’”

The Review Journal. “An ailing real estate market could cause property tax revenue to stay flat or even dip in Clark County, a prospect that longtime officials say is unheard of and troubling. Las Vegas City Manager Mark Vincent said he’s not surprised that revenues are anemic.”

“‘I’ve seen as much as a 70 percent drop in land value,’ Vincent said. ‘Without a doubt it’s going to be worse.’”

The Las Vegas Business Press from Nevada. “Cash-strapped landlords are being pressured by banks to generate revenue, whatever the cost, resulting in lower rents and increased concessions, participants at a recent commercial real estate panel held by the Las Vegas chapter of the Society of Office and Industrial Realtors said. ‘There is a totally different degree of affordability,’ said Daniel Doherty, a senior vice president with Colliers International’s Industrial Division. ‘Activity is still a smidge of what it was. We are doing a lot more work for a lot less pay.’”

“Real estate brokers are increasingly working with banks, as opposed to developers, on property disposal and leasing space. Lenders want to recoup their investments as soon as possible. A foreclosed property is a liability on bank balance sheets; it’s something they want to avoid. Lenders, many of which have large mortgage-related losses, are forcing landlords to make speedy transactions.”

“‘Landlords are eager to do leases and realize a revenue income as opposed to nothing,’ said Soozi Jones Walker, a corporate broker with Commercial Executives. ‘Cash is king.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2009-01-31 11:47:01

‘Even with the oversupply, Pollack said builders are still building. Today, 9,800 units are under construction - a two-year supply.’

And why are they still putting up 10,000 houses? Becaue prices are still high enough to encourage that. Simple supply and demand clearly shows prices haven’t reached equilibrium.

‘More options and lower prices pushed new-home sales up 28 percent at Goodyear’s Estrella last year.Estrella sold 132 homes in 2008, up from 103 in 2007, Newland reported. But that’s down from 144 homes sold in 2006. The rise in home sales from 2007 to 2008 comes during a time when fewer people moved to Arizona and foreclosure resales increasingly cut into homebuilders’ sales.’

‘Metro Phoenix has seen nearly two years of declining home values, and Estrella, like the rest of the Southwest Valley, is no exception. In 2007, homes prices started in the $200,000s, Bielli said. Estrella’s Web site shows homes now start at $175,000.’

So ya see congress, these guys are going to undercut more recent buyers all the way down. Todays buyer is next years potential walk away. Ignore the economic facts at your peril…

Comment by Darrell in PHX
2009-01-31 15:30:48

Any attempt to support prices just gives builders more time to shove more inventory into an already oversupplied market. This just means the bottom will be all the deeper when it finally does arrive.

 
Comment by cashedin05
2009-01-31 18:31:07

Prices are getting pretty low in Maricopa AZ. This is one of 164 recently built homes listed between 50k and 100k with at least 3bdrms.

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/43423-W-Cowpath-Drive_Maricopa_AZ_85239_1106222835

 
Comment by Ann
2009-01-31 21:32:59

I believe that the commerical real estate market is going to be the next crash..evidence is all around of this fact.

A recent visit to South Florida revealed concrete jungles of shopping center built within the last few years 90% unoccupied, with new shopping centers under construction on each side..

In Atlanta the scene is the same…shopping center either 1)refaced, sitting empty, 2)new ones..sitting empty or 3) new ones being built..already begging with signs “FOR LEASE.”

The banks are stating that they have tightened up on lending..really..then where is the money coming from to build these empty monuments? And why isn’t someone at the bank saying, “Hey there are already 3 shopping centers in the area sitting unoccupied and UP FOR SALE..why should we give you the money to build more?”

 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-01-31 11:52:18

“‘If you can’t make a profit, then why build?’ Smith said. ‘You have to face reality sooner or later.’”

TadadadadAAAAdaDummmmm….(That was a drum roll)
And I do believe this is the money quote, right here.

Comment by Ben Jones
2009-01-31 11:58:01

I liked this one:

‘I’ve seen as much as a 70 percent drop in land value,’ Vincent said.’

Who’s dreaming now?

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-01-31 12:12:22

But…but…but in 2006 Suzanne’s research indicted they weren’t building any more land, so it could only go up.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-01-31 13:05:07

‘Who’s dreaming now?’

Me. And it’s one of those happy, joyous dreams, the ones where I wake up smiling.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-31 15:18:35

Then, you will be positively ecstatic after they drop another 70% from here! ;-)

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-01-31 17:19:03

Another 70% drop on top of the previous 70%?! In realtor math, that’s 140%! But it’ll still be a great time to buy.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-01-31 17:31:32

(1 - 0.7) * (1 - 0.7) = 0.09 = (1 - 0.91)

91% drop.

You ever consider running for Congress, love? You’ve nailed the IQ down cold. ;-)

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-01-31 20:48:41

‘You ever consider running for Congress, love? You’ve nailed the IQ down cold.’

I hope that’s not a snotty missive, Mr. Man. I already told you I cannot add.
Anyway, local stuff is good enough for me. No one has to add in these here gentle environs.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-01-31 20:54:31

Oh, wait, you meant that for Sammy.
Okay, then.
*looks at digits, and counts ‘five, six, eleven…’

 
 
Comment by Blano
2009-01-31 15:56:38

You’re welcome. :)

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Comment by mikey
2009-01-31 15:39:40

“Who da ya know that wants to buy a new home?”

“chirp…chirp”

“Who da ya know that wants to buy a new car?”

“chirp..chirp”

“Who do you know that trusts our elected officials?”

“chirp..chirp”

Phew!..It’s going to be one long, hot summer because the same old Crap…just isn’t SELLING well today :)

 
 
Comment by Paul in Florida
2009-01-31 12:50:12

Strange as it seems, some builders, i.e., small businessmen, will keep building even at an expected loss to try to save face with their employees and subcontractors. It comes from a mixture of charity and pride. This is true of other businesses as well, and one reason that unemployment lags - businessmen will often take losses before they cut back. Thus, often, contrary to popular myth, businessmen who are accustomed to employing members of the community are not heartless enough.

Comment by BanteringBear
2009-01-31 12:53:35

If they don’t build, they’re out of business. Nobody said they were smart. ;)

 
Comment by exeter
2009-01-31 13:53:20

“Strange as it seems, some builders, i.e., small businessmen, will keep building even at an expected loss to try to save face with their employees and subcontractors. It comes from a mixture of charity and pride.”

Never underestimate the destructive power of human pride. It’s one thing to admit you’re wrong on simple things but nearly impossible when you’re so dead wrong on something of such a large magnitude.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2009-01-31 11:56:04

‘The median price saw a drop in December of 5 percent from a year ago, with single-family homes selling for $335,000.’

Hey Flagstaff, how many people here can afford a $300k house? Or even $200k?

Comment by Spook
2009-01-31 12:04:41

How difficult would it be to install firewalls and convert all these vacant SFHs into duplexs for 150K each?

Comment by jim a
2009-01-31 13:00:12

Because we want to double the number of houses available?

 
 
Comment by BanteringBear
2009-01-31 13:12:52

“Hey Flagstaff, how many people here can afford a $300k house? Or even $200k?”

It’s absolutely incredible how many people naively consider a $300k house “affordable”. In reality, that is a very expensive house afforded by only move up buyers and high wage earners. IMO, we haven’t even begun to see the massive price corrections which are in store.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-31 14:54:47

Bantering,

Yes it is amazing. Here they still think $400k or $500k house is “affordable.” Nevermind wages don’t support the cost of the house.

Comment by mikey
2009-01-31 16:16:27

Hey..I posted yesterday that a lawyer in the Milwaukee area says that people making 100-150k were filing bankruptcies on 600-700k houses and walking.

Who ARE these people that thought they can afford 7-10k on taxes on a bg house never mind heat the shack at -12 degrees below? I HOPE that they had a ….JOB.

Sheesh…IT’S MILWAUKEE for Crips Sake people, you walk into a little bar, sit down, order a drink, pull out a $20 and everyone STARES at you like you’re a potential BIG SPENDER.

This neck of the woods is way, way over due for a REALITY check :)

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-01-31 17:20:33

Those won’t be $600K houses for much longer.

 
Comment by mikey
2009-01-31 17:28:31

With only 1/3 of the ALL the foreclosures listed on the Wisconsin MLS…That’s for sure :)

 
 
 
Comment by Michael Fink
2009-01-31 15:10:56

Affordable to people making 100K a year. Which is about 5% of the population. The other 95%? I guess they are scr*wed.

300K is a very expensive home, and it’s a huge commitment, even for people making 100K a year. The sooner people realize this, the faster we will get back to sanity.

An “affordable” home in most of this country is about 125-175K. That’s what the median local incomes will typically support.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-01-31 17:10:24

IMO, we haven’t even begun to see the massive price corrections which are in store.

Couldn’t agree more, Bear. People are still too wedded to the idea that this is only a “correction,” that the Cosmos will realign itself with the help of guv’mint and the Messiah, and that $300K is the norm for a house you’d want to live in. Wrong on all counts. When housing corrects to the median 3 X median earnings - in the bleak economy ahead - and credit dries up for all but the most deserving, then and only then will prices be truly slashed, along with wages and benefits for those fortunate enough to hold on to their jobs.

 
 
Comment by Temporal
2009-01-31 14:34:28

I worked in Flagstaff from 2001-2003, in a business that let me see the true income’s of a very wide slice of the area’s population.

Your right Ben, people in Flagstaff cannot afford 300,000$ homes.

Some of the highest paying jobs in town fall FAR under 60,000$/year. There is SOO little industry there (goretex, purina, sca tissue). 22 years at goretex nets you 21$/hour unless you’re one of the top three managers in the building.

From personal experience I would guess the average household income for the area (with 2 working individuals) is somewhere around 50,000$/year (quick google search yields 54,000$ for a family of 4 with 2 working parents in 2006). I would be genuinely suprised if more then 10% of the population in the area can truly budget for a 300,000$ home (plenty of people bought in at the high point but I am SURE they are struggling to tow that 1000 pound anchor). That’s just a rediculous amount to ask for from a small college mountain town.

Comment by Cassandra
2009-01-31 15:17:00

I too worked in accounting/hr recently at two major employers in Flagstaff, I would agree with your estimates.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-01-31 17:05:26

Careful Ben, we don’t want a Missing Person Report put out on you. You’re needed in Vegas :)

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-01-31 12:17:43

“When the property market began to slow in 2007, Bill Bohon decided not to sell and instead rented out his three-bedroom Sedona townhome until the market picked up. Fast forward to today, and things have gone from bad to worse.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!

Bill “Bonehead” Bohon was doubtless among the “we’re not giving it away” greedheads of 2007, whose galactic sense of entitlement and willful self-delusion caused them to deny the reality of the bursting bubble. Swilling the NAR Kool-Aid while awaiting the NAR-promised “market rebound” just over the horizen, Mr. Bohon is now, officially, Mr. Boned.

BWAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAA!

Comment by Ben Jones
2009-01-31 12:24:36

I tried to warn these people in Sedona when I was living there. Now it’s one of the worst markets in the State. But it comes down to Canadian press to report on just how bad it is. For instance, there are now entire subdivisions and condo projects in default. I’d bet half the ‘owners’ there are out of area flippers, or HELOC junkies.

Comment by Sagesse
2009-01-31 14:04:09

Have friends there, who “bought” a few years ago, before it occurred to me to ask, ‘how in the name of whoever did you do that?’ Massage therapists and such, otherwise nice folks.

Strange it is, though, that number of properties that are on either realtor or foreclosure dot com have not increased that much. 100 percent maybe in a year. Not through the roof, it so seems.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-01-31 17:17:51

Strange it is, though, that number of properties that are on either realtor or foreclosure dot com have not increased that much.

The current forclosure stats are the tip of the iceberg. How many people have fallen terminally behind on their mortgage payments, or have stopped paying all together, but have not entered the foreclosure process due to lender’s inability or unwillingess to start the process? How many mortgages will reset this year, causing millions more FBs to throw in the towel? As prices continue to sink and the “bargain buyers” of 2008 morph into impaled knife-catchers as prices continue to sink, how many more underwater FBs will reach the tipping point and bail? From all the evidence, the picture for 2009 will be far more dire than what we’ve seen to date.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-01-31 12:23:39

‘Prices are down 30% to 35%, so it’s fantastic for buyers,’ says Ms. Andreis who is working with a handful of Canadians anxious to snap up vacation homes in the mountain community of Sedona.”

The list of annoying realturd buzz lines is very long, but “anxious to ’snap’ up” is OLD. The days these used house salesmen think are coming back are looooong gone and they will not see them again, period.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-01-31 12:35:43

The realtors are still laying snares for the unwary, but the supply of idiots - make that creditworthy idiots - seems pretty much tapped out until you go into Canada, where a residual pool is rapidly being drained.

Welcome to Arizona, suckers.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-01-31 13:03:53

‘Prices are down 30% to 35%, so it’s fantastic for buyers,’ says Ms. Andreis

The author of the book “Freakconomics” calls realtors “An industry of dissemblers.” Well put. I just checked out homes for sale on Craigslist, and the cloying, insipid realtor cliches and annoying buzzwords clutter up every property description.

 
Comment by exeter
2009-01-31 13:57:39

“snap up” was THE most offensive MSM buzzwords of the entire saga…. right next to calling a house a “home”.

Comment by Michael Fink
2009-01-31 15:15:28

Yeah, “snap up” is one that really gets me hot. Good for you, if there’s so many people who want to “snap up” this house sounds like you’ll be getting your commission very quickly. Why are you even showing it to me, if in fact, all these rich foreigners are banging down your door to get into this house?

There’s so few untapped qualified buyers out there (and 95% of them probably hang out here!) that there’s just no way anyone is going to “snap up” anything. Give it a decade before we’re anything back to something that resembles a tight housing market in the bubble areas. It’s a matter of numbers, there’s simply too many homes and not enough qualified buyers. And all the stupid industry buzzwords that you can spew won’t change that fact.

 
Comment by mikey
2009-01-31 16:59:41

What is killing these realtywhores and seller’s with their 2005 Deam Prices is no matter do or say, they CAN’T CREATE a need, interest or a sense of urgency in this housing/financial meltdown.

Landlords, RE agents and sellers always say “everyone needs a place to stay.”

True, but evidently everyone HAS found a place to stay somewhere and they are hunkered down in it, watching the show while munching popcorn, with their wallets CLOSED tight.

:)

 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-01-31 18:45:21

Panic NOW Amerian’s…herds, I said HERDS, of rich Canucks are about to swoop down from the north and STEAL that Dream House right out from under your noses….and maybe even your fair haired daughters :)

Sheesh…It’s worst than an old time Horror movie where you must expose them to direct sunlight or else drive a wooden stake into the hearts of these vampires to silence them.

Comment by doug r
2009-01-31 22:23:05

Up here in the Great White North, our real estate prices are going to be kept up by rich Asians who apparently have nowhere else to buy real estate other than Vancouver, BC. ;)
It’s different here ™

 
 
 
Comment by spacepest
2009-01-31 12:58:50

Hmmf, I bought a Las Vegas Astoria home in the Northwest, in one of the neighborhoods that is almost completely built out as our primary residence. It was a bank owned foreclosure that was among one of the first phases Astoria built in this development. 1600 square foot home for $135k from the bank…Astoria’s new home price for the same model…$270K. Yeah, its no surprise to me that this builder is going under, they can’t sell anything with banks dumping similar foreclosure homes. I’m glad I’m at least living in a neighborhood where all the infrastructure (streets, parks, utilities, etc.) is completed.

(Yeah, I’ve been lurking here for awhile and I would have posted my new home purchase, but I’ve been really too busy to comment lately…between work and doing detail work on my new home. I’ll post more details about my vulture purchase if anyone is interested).

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-01-31 13:09:00

Vulture purchase? The true, wiser vultures are patiently roosting, waiting until today’s proud self-proclaimed psudeo-vultures complete their transmutation into impaled knife-catchers over the coming months. But you could do the blog a favor by keeping us abreast of your progressive realization that you screwed the pooch by jumping on this “bargain.”

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-01-31 13:11:07

‘I’ll post more details about my vulture purchase if anyone is interested.’

Oh, look at you, being all coy. I, for one, do want to hear the details. Especially if there was a crying realtor/builder rep. involved, and if there were despairing notes tacked to the door, and they stole all the plumbing as they left, stuff like that.

Comment by spacepest
2009-01-31 13:39:50

The house does have an interesting history about it.

It was bought originally by a foreign investor (you know, the typical buy and rent it out while trying to sell it off at an inflated price) who rented it out to a Las Vegas stripper. And not even a good stripper, a really bad, broke all the time stripper. With three kids who had no father. The neighbors certify that the whole family were a bunch of loud, obnoxious jerks. Stripper mommy abandoned her kids in the house to go run off with some guy who lived out of state. The neighbors got ahold of the owner’s home phone number and business number and called him repeatedly to harass him about his tenants and his property. Foreign investor eventually was foreclosed on because he couldn’t pay for his investment homes (and probably got sick of our neighbors constantly calling him) at which point the bank took over the property.

Considering this home was a bank repo, the house was in surprisingly good shape! All the plumbing and electrical were intact, appliances all work, nothing really damaged…the home just needed a deep clean and a paint job (like 1-2k worth of work) to make it liveable. Bank has held the property for over a year and kept reducing the home for sale. (Yeah, at that price, we kept wondering what was wrong with it. I went inside expecting to see a chalk outline of a body on the floor).

No crying realtors were involved. My husband does home repair and plumbing work, with some of his business coming from a real estate company. He had them send listings of the neighborhoods were interested in with prices on them. Eventually we got the listing for this home. Bank finally reduced it to 145K. We put in a bid for 135K and they accepted it (plus our realtor waived half her commission as a favor to my husband).

The neighbors about choked when they heard what we paid, but they were also really happy to have the previous tenants out.

Did I mention that this home was in a neighborhood we really wanted to buy in? Its a few blocks away from the home we were previously renting, and our fixed rate house payment is now less than the rent we had been paying. Yes, we patiently waited like vultures for this homes in this area to go down in price.

It was funny when we got our estimated tax bill in the mail from the local tax assessor-wanted to tax us on 200K of “value” of the home. We got the bill down of course, after sending a bunch of documentation showing what the home was purchased for and recently appraised for (not that appraisals are worth anything nowadays).

I’m sure there are more details I could add, which I probably will later, but alas, I must go to work now. My job has been really busy lately…but that’s no shock to me, public library attendence always goes up when the economy goes down and people are really broke.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-31 14:52:11

spacepest,

I wouldn’t call this a vulture deal. I would call this an intelligent, common sense deal.

Congratulations.

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Comment by Paul in Florida
2009-01-31 15:04:07

Wow, Vegas still funds a library? This economy is not as bad as I thought!

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Comment by mikey
2009-01-31 17:22:41

“And not even a good stripper…”

After 4 beers and a couple of shots of Jack Daniel’s, they’re ALL good strippers…THUD :)

 
 
Comment by CA renter
2009-02-01 06:24:25

Spacepest,

Sounds like you got a decent deal, and if it’s cheaper than rent, you’ve done well for yourself!

Enjoy your new home! :)

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Comment by scdave
2009-01-31 13:17:54

1600 for 135k sounds like a great deal to me if you were in the market for a personal residence..That is below replacement cost even if you got the dirt for free…

Comment by Paul in Florida
2009-01-31 15:09:46

You can’t put up a structure in Las Vegas for $85/sq. ft. if you own the land? I bet there are a lot of builders who could and would do it for that, especially if you’re just copying an existing design and have lots of underused equipment.

Comment by scdave
2009-01-31 15:32:33

who could and would do it for that ??

No way…Not if you included “EVERYTHING”…

Material cost alone would be $50. or more…I haven’t even started with financing costs, taxes & insurance, design & engineering, Plan check, building permits and impact fees, sewer, water, gas, electrical & communications installation, landscaping & fencing..

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-01-31 17:27:29

The issue isn’t “replacement cost.” The issue is, how much will this home be worth in a year or two? My guess is, comparable or nicer houses will be going for a lot less.

Comment by NYCresident
2009-02-01 04:23:53

A recently built house in good condition for less than $85 psf sounds like a very good purchase. Maybe it’s not an absolute “vulture price” but there is no guarantee how low prices may go. Spacepest said that this was a neighborhood her family was targeting, and that their cost of renting was higher. So she is saving money, and contributing to the stability of a neighborhood. Values my stagnate for 10 years, who knows, but she has locked in a low, affordable cost. With all the money the fed is creating, who is to say we don’t have hyper inflation at some point. Then her fixed cost home purchase may see like genius and renters will be crying in their beer.

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-01-31 13:32:20

Ben,

Thought you might be interested. On Salon dot com, a column called “How the World Works” by Andrew Leonard has your blog listed under his Indispensable blogs list.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-01-31 17:30:46

That’s awesome. It’s about time that Ben and the HBB got some long-overdue credit and recognition for being the proverbial “voices in the wilderness” while all the “experts” were unanimous in their we-never-saw-this-coming sanguine pronostications.

 
Comment by ahansen
2009-01-31 22:18:15

I’ve long linked to Ben’s blog. Congrats, dude! It’s about time the elitist libs got enlightened.

 
Comment by ahansen
2009-01-31 22:35:22

Thanks, Gal!

Just sent Andy an invite to our LV convention. He’s one of the good guys; I learn something every time I read his column.

 
 
Comment by Curt
2009-01-31 13:33:00

The Review Journal. “An ailing real estate market could cause property tax revenue to stay flat or even dip in Clark County, a prospect that longtime officials say is unheard of and troubling.

Unheard of? Were these asshats born yesterday?

Comment by In Colorado
2009-01-31 14:05:00

Is there anything that would prevent them from increasing the mill levy rate?

Comment by Paul in Florida
2009-01-31 15:17:50

Um, riots in the street, more foreclosures, and more jingle mail? Why not just turn off the A/C to all city-owned buildings (such as the library) so all the freeloaders go away? In fact, why not charge $1/hour to use the library (at least for adults, and double for over 65s, who have a steady income)? I mean, come on, free A/C, tables, chairs, internet, movies, books, magazines, newspapers, etc. How long is that going to last as a freebie?

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-01-31 17:33:25

I pay taxes to use the library. Instead of charging money, they need to refuse to admit smelly, unkempt homeless people or unaccompanied kids dumped off by moms who think it’s a free unsupervised day care service.

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Comment by Paul in Florida
2009-01-31 18:06:11

But you pay taxes to the state and federal governments and then still pay user fees for state or national parks. I fail to see how libraries differ. Like the parks, they exist for the benefit of the small percentage of the population who finds it convenient to use them, and they should charge fees.

 
 
 
 
Comment by SD to LV back to SD
2009-01-31 14:42:10

I know, these people still believe housing will be making a big comeback this summer(sigh). Hey guys Super Bowl is tomorrow. That means its the beginning of the big spring selling season ; )

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2009-01-31 14:03:21

“While Colorado property owners know their home values are falling, they may be surprised to learn that their taxes haven’t changed.”

FWIW, property taxes in Colorado remain steady regardless of appreciation or depreciation. Our house is officially assessed at 40% more than what we paid in 1999, yet our property tax bill has only increased about $150 over that same period, to about $2300. Our mill levy rate had been steadily declining until recently.

TABOR keeps property taxes in check, because state, county and municipal spending increases are capped by population growth and inflation. Any excess taxes collected must be refunded by law to the taxpayers (a credit is given in the state income tax return), so there is no point in increasing property taxes when there is massive appreciation. In some municipalities voters vote to exempt sales taxes collected from TABOR (AKA “de-Bruceing”), but I have never heard of property taxers anywhere in state being “de-Bruced”.

Comment by Michael Fink
2009-01-31 15:22:39

Please, of please come down to FL and explain this to the moron voters/public down here. I’ll give you a condo in West Palm if you can make them understand that fixing the assessment but leaving the mill rate uncapped has NO effect on the overall tax revenue.

TABOR huh? I’ll have to look that up. Of course, it’s VERY sad that something like that is necessary in the first place, why on earth are government costs and land/property values related in ANY way in the first place? The idea that homes increase in value 3X over 3 years and now, suddenly government costs 3X as much to deliver the same services is truly repugnant.

 
Comment by Darrell in PHX
2009-01-31 15:46:39

I loved TABOR. Every state needs a TABOR.

It was amazing what little things the politicians agrued about when they had little to no control over taxing and spending.

Comment by Michael Fink
2009-01-31 18:00:05

I just looked this up, and this is exactly what FL needs!! Looks like there is some extreme opposition to it though, groups claiming that it has destroyed CO and is the bane of citizens throughout the state (let me guess who funds/run those websites).

Here’s the wiki on it. Had we had this in FL in 1999/2000 we would now have a mill rate of <1%, and government budgets wouldn’t have grown 100-200% in 8 years. That would be a wonderful thing for all of us, and it’s exactly what FL needs to become an attractive business and pleasure location again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxpayer_Bill_of_Rights

 
 
 
Comment by AppleEye
2009-01-31 15:28:46

This fabulous 60 Minutes piece deserves front page treatment:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4668112n

 
Comment by AppleEye
2009-01-31 15:32:01

This fabulous piece from 60 Minutes deserves front page treatment:

The Mortgage Meltdown
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4668112n

It only took CBS 4+ years to catch on, but better late than never.

 
Comment by lavi d
2009-01-31 15:53:14

I’ve put together a map of the photos I took today.

Starting with the condos that (I think) scdave was talking about and continuing on towards home, pulling off the highway to snap shots of stuff that’s still under construction, finished and vacant or just plain abandoned.

It’s here

Admittedly, this is mostly multi-family and commercial, but I hope to make it out to Ardiente this week and perhaps I’ll get some of those “sea of roof” shots.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-01-31 20:50:49

Whooo Hoooo!

 
 
Comment by milkcrate
2009-01-31 17:19:00

‘Cash is king.’”
Perhaps not an eternal truth, but this coronation is justified.

 
Comment by uptick
2009-01-31 18:11:15

No time for reality in Humboldt yet. This is one scary house…

$190,000
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Comment by rms
2009-02-01 00:34:22

Gee, how many welfare rats were conceived in that POS?

 
 
Comment by Curt
2009-01-31 18:18:25

Grab a barf bag if you want to read about home sales in Vegas.

A few excerpts:

“We had people lined up at the door at 7 a.m., even though our sales office doesn’t open until 10 a.m.,”

“To see their faces light up when they finally got to purchase one of our homes is the best feeling in the world.”

“It was a madhouse all weekend, at one point we were actually yelling out: ‘Who wants lot 63?’ And, a couple (would) yell, ‘We want it.”

Yup, this is from 1-31-2009, not 2006.

http://www.lvrj.com/real_estate/38743644.html

Comment by uptick
2009-01-31 18:29:51

Making more FBs.

“To see their faces light up when they finally got to purchase one of our homes is the best feeling in the world.”

“This event could possibly signal the bottom of the market. Finally some good news.”

“In most cases our pricing did not match that of a foreclosed home. However, the gap was narrowed considerably, with some homes being reduced by as much as $70,000.”

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-01-31 20:53:07

I’m pretty sure lemmings’ faces light up at that exhileration of flying through space once they plunge over the cliff - prior to drowning in the icy cold Atlantic.

 
 
Comment by BanteringBear
2009-01-31 19:14:24

Until the rampant speculation ceases there will be no bottom, let alone recovery, in the housing market.

 
 
Comment by AppleEye
2009-01-31 23:55:24

CNN offers this financial advice:

The leak: Keeping six months’ worth of salary in a savings account as an emergency fund.

The fix: Littleton, Colorado–based financial planner Sal Miceli advises clients to sock away two months’ salary into a savings account and invest the rest. Otherwise, you lose out on the interest that extra four months’ salary could be earning in a CD or a money-market fund, or you’re wasting money paying finance charges on credit-card balances you could be whittling down.

For an unexpected expenditure, a home-equity line of credit, which usually costs nothing until you use it, can be tapped in an emergency.

cnn.com/2009/LIVING/personal/01/28/rs.household.money.leaks/

People never learn…

 
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