February 20, 2009

An Opportunity To Be Glorified Renters

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Drive into the sprawling development of stucco starter homes in this Phoenix suburb by the San Tan Mountains and the first thing you notice are the ‘For Sale’ signs. The next thing is what many of them say: ‘Bank-Owned Home.’ Jinae Nielsen, 24, with her husband and two toddlers, she moved into a foreclosed four-bedroom home for $118,000. The family driven out had bought it for $259,000.”

“A larger home nearby sold for $111,000. ‘In order to get back what we want, we’re going to have to be here for a while,’ she says.”

“What seemed like a can’t-miss business model — building retirement homes for tens of millions of active older people with money — is in the same predicament as the rest of the nation’s housing market. Among the seniors who sold their departure homes before the housing crash is David Clukey, who with his wife, Ruth, and their two cats share a villa at Arbor Homes’ Crimson Oaks development near Lake Saint Louis. The Clukeys moved there in 2006. Of the eight homes, only two are completed. The builder has cut prices by $50,000 and is delaying closings in hopes buyers can sell their departure homes.”

“Clukey said his only regret is that he can’t take advantage of Crimson Oaks’ new low prices. ‘I wish I was just moving in because you could make a hell of a deal,’ he said.”

“Troublesome to other observers of the Obama plan is the lack of focus on solving the underwater mortgage problem by writing down boom-time loan amounts to bring them in line with current housing values. Fort Lauderdale-based real estate analyst Jack McCabe said the vast problem of underwater homeowners will not be solved simply by refinancing to lower interest rates. ‘If you have a $300,000 loan on a property that’s now worth $150,000, how are you going to refinance that?’ McCabe said.”

“‘If they don’t have the money, they’ll just wind up in foreclosure and turning in the keys anyway. So really this is just offering people in desperate positions of losing their homes an opportunity to be glorified renters,’ McCabe said.”

“In 2005, the typical seller netted $225,000 from the sale of a home there, said Leslie Appleton-Young, chief economist for the California Association of Realtors and keynote speaker at the 2009 Real Estate Market Forum Wednesday at The Coeur d’Alene Resort. That is now $100,000. ‘They are moving in with their parents or relatives,’ she told The Press.”

“Loose credit that is blamed for the current mortgage meltdown is a thing of the past, Appleton-Young said. ‘You have to be who you say you are,’ she said.”

“‘What a concept,’ said Bruce Jolicoeur, a principal in Auble, Jolicoeur & Gentry, which prepares real estate market reports from its offices in Spokane and Coeur d’Alene. ‘It’s amazing she had to say that.’”

“Marin’s home sales in January showed another steep price drop compared with one year ago and matched declines throughout the Bay Area, according to figures released Thursday. The median price of a single-family home in Marin in January was $750,000, down 24 percent from $990,000 last year.”

“Katie Beacock, president of the Marin Association of Realtors, said the current market’s silver lining ‘is for the first time in many years, Marin is creating a good, affordable first-time homebuyer market. Who knows when (the market) is going to level off,’ said Beacock. ‘I don’t think we’ve hit bottom, but I think we’re coasting at a relatively realistic pace.’”

“A third of owners will walk away when the value of their homes drops 20 percent or more below what they owe, even if they can afford the payments, a situation known as ‘rational default,’ said Norm Miller, director of real estate programs at the University of San Diego School of Business Administration.”

“‘The biggest reason modifications end up re-defaulting is because they are in markets where prices have continued to go down,’ Miller said in an interview. ‘When people are underwater and don’t see an end to it, a lot of them just walk away, even if they can make their payments, because they don’t want to be wiped out financially.’”

“‘We’re trying to make the financial decisions you made when you bought your house more affordable for you, not undo your bad real estate investments,’ said Evan Wagner, a spokesman for IndyMac Federal Bank in Pasadena, California. ‘When people say, ‘My home is underwater, therefore I can’t afford it,’ what they are saying is they have buyer’s remorse.’”

“James Muise of Billerica, Massachusetts, has seen his home’s value tumble $30,000 below his mortgage in the past 18 months. He got a modification last year that gave him a five-year reduction of interest on the 30-year mortgage he took out in 2007, cutting his monthly payment to $1,800 from $2,500. Still, he is on the edge of default, he said.”

“‘I’m working 15 hours of overtime each week and I’m barely able to make the payment on a $280,000 house that has a $310,000 mortgage,’the 50-year-old exterminator said. ‘When I sit here deciding whether I should pay the heating bill or pay the mortgage, I’m close to handing the keys back to the bank.’”

“Virginia Pratt, a foreclosure prevention counselor at Jamaica Plain-based ESAC, a community action agency, said that while West Roxbury/Roslindale doesn’t hold a candle to other Boston neighborhoods on foreclosure numbers, she’s noticed changes in recent months. ‘We still continue to see the bulk of people from Hyde Park, Mattapan and Dorchester,’ she said. ‘But recently we have been getting calls from [better-off suburbs] Needham and Dedham.’”

“But Les Rudman, of ERA Key Realty Services in Milford, who is currently marketing a home on Ainsworth Street in Roslindale, said his business is growing. The Ainsworth Street home has been shown to more people than others Rudman is listing in central Massachusetts and Rhode Island, he said. ”

“‘That’s because I think the Roslindale market has reached bottom and is starting to come back up,’ he said.”

“Richard Fulkerson retired last fall after 10 years as Colorado’s top banking regulator. There was just one bank failure, in 1998, during the tenure of the taciturn Wyoming native. Fulkerson spoke to the Rocky in January about the state of the industry.”

“On the root cause of today’s problems: ‘(Home loans) have always been considered the easiest loan to make, and the safest loan. But in an effort to put as many people as possible into a home to strengthen society, we stretched the credit process to the point where origination has detached from collection. Anyone can make a loan if they don’t care whether someone else has to collect. At the highest level of Wall Street, there was a lack of understanding of the risk of mortgage pools and how they’d react in a downturn.’”

“It’s the difference between someone doing the right thing because they know someone else will look at it in 12 to 18 months, versus someone saying, ‘How much can we get away with before it blows up and we walk away.’”

“Garden Grove and Westminster are the latest Southern California cities to consider using taxpayer dollars to ’solve’the so-called housing crisis. But there’s little chance that the dollars will do anything more than waste money, increase the power of local government fiefdoms and even slow the market correction that’s going on in real estate.”

“There is no real housing crisis. Market-based economies are constantly adapting to new realities, provided the government doesn’t interfere with market processes. Housing prices have tumbled in the past year, and when prices fall back to Earth, buyers snap up the bargains. Yet government at all levels seems committed to trying to artificially reinflate the housing bubble.”

“Given the budget insanity at the state level and the stimulus insanity at the federal level, it’s hard to be too harsh on cities for wanting to join in on the action. Still, the best antidote for craziness is sanity, not more craziness. Why don’t Garden Grove and Westminster tend to the basics of city government and let real estate buyers and sellers work out the foreclosure situation on their own?”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2009-02-20 09:14:39

Just about to go get the rental car and head to Vegas. I’ll try to stop and do some blogging along the way. For those attending, I’ll see ya in a few hours. For the rest of you folks, please check back this weekend!

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-02-20 09:37:46

Sighhhhh…..I REALLY do wish I was attending. Buffets, strippers, cheap liquor, cruel smart HBBers…it’s like Heaven, and the best part is, I wouldn’t even have to be good or die to get there!

Please blog a lot and take MANY photos, Ben! Especially of the more embarrassing moments. And, of course, of vast acres of sun-fading empty subdivisions….ahhh! I can’t wait!
Oh, and drive safely, Ben. There’s lots of idjits out there, and they like to hang out in vehicles.

*Although that could happen anyway. I never have mastered the ‘moderation’ thingie. I’m just gonna have to pretend I’m in Vegas this weekend.

Comment by holytrainwreck
2009-02-20 10:15:55

Strippers? As Casey Serin would have said, “which way do You swing?” Not that there is anything WRONG with that :))

Yes, Ben, keep ‘er between the lines…

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-02-20 13:08:14

Oly, you never answered my email. :)

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-02-20 14:07:07

Okay, I just went and did. I told you about my own plays, which are of superior quality and full of those word thingies.

Now I’m going to tell the rest of you, too.
(Fasty! Don’t read anymore! I already told you! Then you won’t be surprised and impressed! Stop it!)

Okay, everyone else, my last play was about Snowmen, and it was puppets I made from stuff I found in my garage. One act, of course.

Basically, the Snowman Brad takes two snowballs to the chest during a winter wonderland conflict and decides that now he’s a Snowwoman. It’s obvious, because look, there they are, boobs, and that is, like, a rule. His associates Eric and Steve argue about whether or not he is a hottie, now that he’s a girl. Brad is not listening to such trivial chatter; he’s thinking about stuff. Then he needs some lipstick, but the people in the house won’t give him any. They’re jerks.

The End

Huh, huh, huh?! Yeah!

 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-02-20 16:03:48

“which way do You swing?”

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Well, aintchoo nosy! That’s okay, though, me, too. In fact, earlier today I was almost run over in the street when I went bounding out the door to see what they’s up to down a ways; there was burly men carrying securely-taped and enticing lumpy boxes into a building.*

Anyway, I wouldn’t say ’swing’, I would describe it more as ‘tetherball’. You know the game: wild, whirling up-and-down loops, incessant arguing over whos turn it is to unwind the rope, and sooner or later the ball comes out of nowhere to bonk someone on the noggin…like that.

*They’s carrying securely-taped and enticing lumpy boxes into a building.
They was too burly to overpower and take a peek. Then they resisted my charms and wouldn’t let me peel off just a littlllllllle bit of tape and see in there. And that means they’s aliens. My only question is, are these good aliens, or the bad kind?

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Comment by Skip
2009-02-20 15:12:14

I soo want to hang with you sometime!

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-02-20 09:52:18

Better make sure the rental is American-made. Your congressional leaders expect no less. Have a safe trip (and the time of your life!).

 
Comment by otis wildflower
2009-02-20 10:30:15

Two places I’d visit:
* The Atomic Testing museum on E. Flamingo Rd
* The Gun Store (with indoor range) on Tropicana

Besides the usual Strip stuff, of course ;)

Hope y’all have a wonderful time JTing those Strip condotel folks!!

Comment by MazNJ
2009-02-20 12:08:04

wheee!
AR15
MP5
M9
M249
M40 Sniper Rifle…

funniest thing was someone firing a bennelli shotgun hit my target…. 4 lanes over.

I don’t gamble or pay ladies to be in various states of undress and normally don’t drink, but the weather, the drinks, the relaxation and the gun store made me actually love LV.

Comment by DinOR
2009-02-20 12:21:42

MazNJ,

If you head to the far south end of the Strip ( by Sloan, NV ) there’s a chunk of desert that’s pretty much a “Free Fire Zone”! Light ‘em up boys!

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-02-20 12:30:20

“Lock and Load” “Firers watch your lanes”

 
Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-02-20 14:30:09

Anything worth shooting, is worth shooting twice.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-02-20 16:05:47

‘Anything worth shooting, is worth shooting twice.’

I’m really becoming in love, here.

 
Comment by colomountains
2009-02-20 16:35:40

You guys are too much. I have never laugh so much in life. I never knew about the Gun store, next time that I am Vegas, I am stopping there.

 
Comment by mikey
2009-02-20 17:13:15

Always shoot and place that 1st distance shot correctly. Then move out quickly and quietly as tactically possible.

Second shots usually draw counter-fire, automatic weapons and all sorts of other unwanted and unfriendly attention…trust me.

AT & T …Reach out and touch someone” :)

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-02-21 00:48:41

Or as they say on a curio & relic FFL forum I visit…

“8mm Mauser - when you REALLY want to reach out and touch someone.”

 
 
Comment by otis wildflower
2009-02-20 14:58:58

That ain’t the half of it.. My mom fired a pump-action 12ga (not sure which), and it blew her off her feet, knocked off the glasses and ear protection.. We all laughed…

(I got to shoot up an osama target with an M4 w/red dot sight, crazy fun…)

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Comment by Kim
2009-02-20 13:20:42

Have a great time, Ben and friends!

Wish I could be there. I’ll look forward to seeing the photos and reading all the stories.

 
 
Comment by BubbleViewer
2009-02-20 09:26:38

“A third of owners will walk away when the value of their homes drops 20 percent or more below what they owe, even if they can afford the payments, a situation known as ‘rational default,’ said Norm Miller, director of real estate programs at the University of San Diego School of Business Administration.”
‘When people are underwater and don’t see an end to it, a lot of them just walk away, even if they can make their payments, because they don’t want to be wiped out financially.’”

When these numbers are applied to California, I shudder.

Comment by SDGreg
2009-02-20 12:05:14

Given how high prices went relative to incomes and how far prices have fallen so far and will eventually fall, I’d expect a default rate much greater than 20 percent. If those numbers are based on the typical post-WW II cyclical recession, I’d expect them to be too low.

Comment by trapped in houston
2009-02-20 13:43:49

Not too long ago, an individual would receive a 1099 for the difference between the loan balance and what the bank recovered. That 1099 turned into taxable income. The govt eliminated that stick, and IMHO, vastly increased the number of people who, as stated here, rationally abandon their houses. Maybe we should bring back those 1099s, and give the FBs something to think about before they mail the keys back to the lender.
(my first post, although I’ve been a reader for a long long time.)

Comment by palmetto
2009-02-20 15:21:33

Hi, trapped in houston. Welcome to the blog.

Come on, HBBers. How about a warm HBB welcome for trapped?

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Comment by Houston Observer
2009-02-20 23:30:28

Hey, trapped, fellow Houstonian, congrats for coming out of the woodwork.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-02-20 20:10:37

What fraction of owners would Norm predict to walk when home prices are down by 45 percent? I would assume it would be greater than 1/3 predicted for a 20 percent decline in values?

San Diego is one such place, based on price per square foot data from Radar Logic:

May 2006 $358/sq ft
Dec 2008 $198/sq ft

Percentage decline = (198/358-1)*100 = -45 percent

 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-02-20 09:30:46

“Loose credit that is blamed for the current mortgage meltdown is a thing of the past, Appleton-Young said. ‘You have to be who you say you are,’ she said.”

Well, good idea. And I vote that YOU lead the way, right now. Come on, Leslie, say it! SAY IIIIIIIT! Who you are!
Like this: ‘I, Leslie, are a either consumately deceitful, evil, craven, or entirely idjiotic shill for the REaltards, and have caused much grievous harm to other idjits. Luckily, most of them are located in California, but still…my complete bad. Also, my hair looks stupid’.*
SAYYYYY IIIIIIT!!

* Actually, just the last photo I saw of her, her hair looked stupid. Today it could look fine. I’m just speculating there.

Comment by DinOR
2009-02-20 09:57:20

Olygal,

Where was she when fewer than 18% of CA’s could qualify in terms of traditional “affordability”? Oh that’s right, she was busying herself scrambling about to ‘redifine’ affordability!

Comment by DinOR
2009-02-20 10:19:08

redefine?

Comment by EggMan
2009-02-20 15:26:50

Everybody would say that high prices had forced the 3x income rule of thumb “out the window.” Something became affordable if it was 4x or 5x or frak-knows-how-many X income, at least according to realtors & brokers. They redefined affordability and people accepted that because they assumed that industry professionals wouldn’t mislead their clients about such things.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-02-20 15:50:44

EggMan,

I don’t recall the specific language CAR ( and countless others ) employed to justify the insane prices. Usually “CA has -always- been more expensive than the rest of the nation” or “sunshine premium” or “that’s because ‘this’ is where the JOBS are!”

They had a million of them and all pointing to nothing other than ever higher home prices. That’s why I think Diana Olick’s comments yesterday were so germane. Before we throw the rest of the FB’s under the bus, we need to re-examine what “normal” meant in 2005.

 
 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-02-20 10:23:46

Lovely Leslie Appledung also said this: “”The difference this time around is housing prices … They tend to be very sticky on the way down.”

And perhaps LAY may have something to do with WHY they are sticky on the way down.

Realtors could help. They could refuse to accept a listing contract unless THEY set the asking price following a real unbiased appraisal, the FB’s wishing price be damned.

Maybe this could be put into the California Business & Professions Code in the RE section. :)

Comment by DinOR
2009-02-20 10:47:03

“you have to be who you say you are”

What a laugh. THIS from the state that invented “Fake it, before you make it”! Again I don’t necessarily blame the ‘poor’ FB’s directly. It’s part of their culture, really from birth. Success hinges on driving the ‘right’ car, living in the ‘right’ neighborhood etc.

Their sales force is trained to exploit those “needs”.

Comment by Mo Money
2009-02-20 12:58:13

“you have to be who you say you are”

“I yam who I yam” - Popeye the sailor (who is walking away from his boat mortgage)

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Comment by drumminj
2009-02-20 15:49:13

A funny reference from a book I mentioned to OlyGal in one of the LV countdown threads….a foreign (Japanese?) scientist quotes that same phrase, through clearly the translation got a bit goofed from English to Japanese back to English.

“I sweet potato what I sweet potato”.

Well, I had a giggle when I read it :)

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-02-20 16:15:36

It must have been a Tom Robbins book! I was going to ask for the one you offered me, drumminj, but then I thought that seemed greedy. I thought you might have been drunk when you offered it. I know I was. Hahahaaha!

Anyway, yeah, so, just after our conversation on good authors I went on ebay and got ‘You Suck’, by Christopher Moore, the sequel to ‘Bloodsucking Fiends’, because you brought it to mind. I spent a very productive last two Wednesdays ago morning reading it, instead of working.*

* But then I lied and said I had worked diligently, so it was okay.

 
Comment by wolfgirl
2009-02-20 17:01:07

But you did work diligently, just not at what people thought you meant.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-02-20 18:10:51

‘But you did work diligently, just not at what people thought you meant.’

Well, wha…urrr…ummm…yeah! Yes. Verily.
*nods in a way that indicates that I accept wolfgal as my spiritual advisor *
And who’s not to say that my broader literary experience did not benefit everybody nearby?

 
Comment by drumminj
2009-02-20 19:01:29

Oly - Yes, that’s from that Tom Robbins book. And ‘You Suck’ was a good one. I finished ‘Dirty Job’ last week…funny stuff. Love that guy’s sense of humor.

I was serious about ‘Half Asleep in Frog Pajamas’. Send me an email and I’ll drop it your way (or if you’re ever in Seattle proper, I can throw it at ya) : drumminj at yahoo

 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-02-20 11:00:47

“sticky on the way down”

Double entrendre time, people!

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-02-20 20:23:49

“sticky on the way down”
I heard that from several women.

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Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-02-20 14:33:40

Too bad someone didn’t think about inviting her to speak to the peanut gallery in Vegas this weekend. What a hoot, especially the Q & A session….

 
Comment by mikey
2009-02-20 17:38:45

Sheesh… It’s the Friday “BAD NEWS RELEASE”. The entire Civilized World as I once knew it is collapsing and then…

Hersey’s laid off 300 people and moved the York Peppermint Pattie operation to Mexico….”That’s all Folks”

Now, we are OFFICIALLY and TOTALLY DOOMED :(

Comment by palmetto
2009-02-20 18:04:39

Yuck Fork, Muck Fexico. I hope they have to pay tons in bribes and security. Not to mention having to dodge bullets.

Comment by palmetto
2009-02-20 18:31:47

How stupid IS Hershey, anyway? Don’t they read the reports that Mexico is in danger of complete civil breakdown? I think, when companies do this sort of thing, the executives should be forced to relocate to the same country where they’re moving operations, with their families. And not allowed to come back until their operations do.

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Comment by Bob in Vegas
2009-02-20 09:37:21

I hope none of you turn into specuvestors while in Vegas. All the jokers who bought in at the end of 2007 are now down around 30%. The housing bottom in Vegas will not occur in until houses and condos are selling for 10-15 cents on the peak bubble dollar…

I’ve noticed that there are a couple of places in Vegas down to about 24 cents on the peak bubble dollar, which means Vegas still has room to fall another 30-40%…

Comment by holytrainwreck
2009-02-20 10:12:34

How readily can you get comped rooms from the casinos down there these days? There’s your barometer right there.

Comment by Jim A.
2009-02-20 13:11:57

Well traditionally, all you have to do is win big. ‘Cause the casinos realize what alot of gamblers (and flippers) don’t: “The only way to win at gambling is to quit when you’re ahead.” So getting you to stick around and give them a second chance is in their best interest.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-02-20 09:45:52

“Jinae Nielsen, 24, with her husband and two toddlers, she moved into a foreclosed four-bedroom home for $118,000. The family driven out had bought it for $259,000.”

“A larger home nearby sold for $111,000. ‘In order to get back what we want, we’re going to have to be here for a while,’ she says.”

Jinae, Most folks consider a couple/few decades a little bit longer than a “while”. Good luck getting what you ‘want’ for it, the sense of entitlement is still running strong for the dimwitted.

Comment by palmetto
2009-02-20 10:05:35

“Oh, won’t you staaayyy, just a little bit looongerrr, oh please say, say you will”

Baa-daah!

 
Comment by Wickedheart
2009-02-20 11:50:03

I told my husband the rental we living in, a total fixer with some serious issues (plumbing,roof and exterior stucco)that sold for $325K in July 2006 would be a foreclosure in a couple of years. Well, it was listed as a short sale for $180k a couple of days ago.

I wouldn’t touch the house then or now either. All the work is unpermitted and looks substandard. They put an addition over the patio. It looks like someone slapped a box on top of the patio. The front windows are not level. They used smaller windows and you can see the old window lines in the stucco. The stuff they did is just plain weird too. There are no doors inside the house now. They took the closet out and made it a hallway so now the bedrooms have no closet.

I just don’t get it. I see unpermitted work all over San Diego. Realtards list houses with unpermitted work like it’s some kind of plus, not on tax rolls. How do you trust that work has been done right? If you get caught you might have to tear it down and you are responsible for unpaid taxes and permits too. No thanks.

Comment by palmetto
2009-02-20 12:09:28

Goes on here in Floryduh, too. A few years ago, when the ex and I still owned, we subdivided off some land and sold it. Of course, we had to attend some county commission hearings to get it approved. Some poor bugger ahead of us was in hot water over an illegal addition to his house that was done prior to his purchase of it. He didn’t speak English and was totally bewildered why he was being penalized. His translator had a hard time getting across the concept of “it runs with the land”

 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-02-20 12:15:13

I’ve never lived in a place with so much substandard construction, much of which apparently was permitted, wiring and plumbing especially.

Comment by Wickedheart
2009-02-20 12:58:22

Yeah, there is a lot of substandard construction here that is permitted too. It is mind blowing how much unpermitted stuff there is. It’s everywhere and nobody does anything about it. I had a neighbor that built a pool, tripled his house in size, built a basement, huge 3 car garage with a bathroom and all the work was unpermitted. You can’t turn someone in here unless you are their neighbor. I’m not a fan of turning people in but I could make an exception for that SOB.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-02-20 13:13:40

True story: When I was on one of my post-Katrina reconstruction trips to Mississippi, I worked on an electrical team. Our job was to re-wire an storm-damaged house.

Our leader, an electrician and building inspector from CA, made it quite clear that we were to work to her standards, not local standards.

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Comment by SteveH
2009-02-20 13:35:41

Hey Slim, just a bit confused. Were her standards higher or lower than the local standards? Was this a good thing or a bad thing?

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2009-02-20 14:14:37

My guess would be that she thought them to be higher, given the fact that CA tends to be nanny stateish and then coupled with the general sense that East & West Coasters treat the southern gulf coast as a bunch of rubes, whether deserved or not depending on the specific case.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-02-20 15:11:52

She thought them to be higher.

And, during the three days that I worked on her electrical re-wiring team, she pointed out things that would be allowed locally but wouldn’t be permitted by her. A real stickler, that gal.

 
Comment by exeter
2009-02-20 20:22:01

“My guess would be that she thought them to be higher, given the fact that CA tends to be nanny stateish and then coupled with the general sense that East & West Coasters treat the southern gulf coast as a bunch of rubes, whether deserved or not depending on the specific case.”

Now thats a beaut. Requiring apprenticeship programs, licensing and forcing electricians to know NEC is nanny state-ish?

Talk about rubes.

 
 
Comment by climber
2009-02-20 17:46:33

My house in North Carolina had permits, but they’d have never gotten a CO from me. One outlet showed no ground, when I pulled it there was no ground wire even entering the box. I had to go back the previous junction box and pull a new wire.

I found silicon caulk on a drain pipe - it didn’t leak, so I left it, but I was moving soon anyhow.

The attic soffit vents were blown completely closed with insulation- had to install a vent fan.

Water ran through the basement (in one side and out the other).

Those are just the highlights.

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Comment by mikey
2009-02-20 19:11:43

Permits ?

Aren’t THOSE included on the paper receipts they issue at Home Depot when you buy something ? :)

 
 
 
Comment by SaladSD
2009-02-20 18:01:53

Yeah, in older neigbhorhoods of San Diego, gosh, where (now) vintage homes were built in the 800-1000 sf range, folks were slapping on these fugly bonus rooms to boost the square footage, and then expecting buyers to pay for it. No way, no how. I’d rather have a fixer that no one tried to “fix” then some crappy Home Depot “brass & glass & granite” remodel.

 
 
 
Comment by Blano
2009-02-20 09:50:01

“The median price of a single-family home in Marin in January was $750,000, down 24 percent from $990,000 last year.”

“Katie Beacock, president of the Marin Association of Realtors, said the current market’s silver lining ‘is for the first time in many years, Marin is creating a good, affordable first-time homebuyer market.”

Omyfreakin’god you can’t possibly be serious. Those numbers are insane.

Comment by Michael Fink
2009-02-20 10:08:03

BWahaha. Yeah, a great market for first time buyers who make 1/4 of a MILLION dollars a year! How many of them do you think there are out there? How many people do you know making 250K a year that don’t already own a home?

Yeah, great first time buyers market. Katie is a moron. What kind of crazy world do we live in where 750K is a “starter” home in an area with a median household income FAR below 100K? I think in percentage terms, FL or NV will win the battle (fall the furthest). But in absolute numbers, I don’t think that anyone can top CA. 1M dollar starter homes will drop to 300K, that’s such a huge loss that the other “cheaper” bubble states can hope to compete with that.

Comment by Lisa
2009-02-20 11:51:07

“BWahaha. Yeah, a great market for first time buyers who make 1/4 of a MILLION dollars a year! How many of them do you think there are out there? How many people do you know making 250K a year that don’t already own a home?”

I’ve lived in Marin County since ‘96. The median HHI here is $90K, which means we should have a median home price of around $270K-$360K. Last month’s median of $750K means we still have a long, long way to go. The last time the median home price was where it should have been was late 90’s.

 
Comment by Molly
2009-02-20 13:00:58

“Yeah, a great market for first time buyers who make 1/4 of a MILLION dollars a year! How many of them do you think there are out there?”

Oh, everyone in California makes AT LEAST that much. Plus, the taxes and cost of living in California are SO affordable, that you can live like royalty on even that paltry 250K.

750K for a starter home? What a BARGAIN! Better jump on this quick! Prices can only go UP from a STEAL of a deal like that!

Excuse me, I have to go jump-start my brain now. :)

Comment by The_Overdog
2009-02-20 14:10:04

I was out there this last week in the Huntington Beach/Laguna Beach/Big Bear Lake areas.

The only thing high about the cost of living in California is the land/home prices.
The sales tax rate and vehicle inspections were lower than Texas’. The income tax is of course, higher, but that’s paid on your income rather than Texas’ way of paying taxes on the value of your house, which is typically many times your income.

Besides the complete lack of construction cranes along the major streets, the state looked ok, but was seething with a sense of oncoming malaise. Every hotel we stayed in was 1/2 vacant and in various states of disrepair (and all except Big Bear Lake right across the street from the beach) . But whatever, they were very friendly and more than welcoming with moving us to a room in better shape. And only in CA do the desk clerks in average hotels have boob jobs.

The food was downright affordable and the highways were pleasant, even though it was raining, and the airport (john wayne) was empty.

If i hadn’t been visiting a lazy, miserable group of people (and very much the faces of crashing CA home prices and equity leeching) then it would have been a fine vacation.

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Comment by Molly
2009-02-20 15:35:14

“The only thing high about the cost of living in California is the land/home prices.
The sales tax rate and vehicle inspections were lower than Texas’. ”

The Texas sales tax rate is higher than 7.75 percent (soon to be 8.75 percent)? I’ve never heard that before. Hmmm….

I stand by my sarcasm, though. California is not an inexpensive place to live. I only know this because I’m a resident, not an occasional visitor. :)

 
Comment by Skip
2009-02-20 15:41:21

And only in CA do the desk clerks in average hotels have boob jobs.

I guess somethings are better in California!

 
Comment by drumminj
2009-02-20 19:07:05

Molly: In Austin, the sales tax rate was 8.25% if I recall correctly.

 
Comment by Houston Observer
2009-02-20 23:36:10

Houston is also 8.25%, and I thought I read rumblings somewhere that they want to raise it another 1%. TX state sales tax is “only” 6.25%; the other 2% goes to the city and the transit co.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by holytrainwreck
2009-02-20 10:10:20

You know, the insecticide-sniffing Tom DeLay was an exterminator…

Comment by palmetto
2009-02-20 10:13:04

The Smilin’ Cockroach.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-02-20 13:40:51

OK, so what’s Nancy Pelosi’s excuse?

Comment by palmetto
2009-02-20 15:30:13

Sigh, as I posted in the Bits Bucket this am, I am not a republicrat or a demublican. Just because I was no fan of DeLay’s, doesn’t mean I like Pelosi, who in my book is crazier than a sh*thouse rat.

I don’t like either party, OK? I think they are both for the dungheap. But I will say one thing, at least with the pubs, you KNEW you were gonna get screwed. They made no bones about it and were up front on the matter.

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Comment by exeter
2009-02-20 20:26:42

A creepy cockroach who tried to hijack a religion.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by DinOR
2009-02-20 10:24:04

“increase the power of local government fiefdoms” ( bailout dollars )

NO!? You don’t say… ( great Opinion piece in Ben’s final link )

Comment by palmetto
2009-02-20 12:11:05

Yes, it is, DinOR. But where were these “voices of sanity” in 2002-2005???

Comment by DinOR
2009-02-20 12:28:12

palmetto,

Good question and great link yesterday to an article from Larouche circa 2001. They observed that homes in the U.S had gained about 1T from 1990 to 1995 but had -doubled- that from just 1999 to 2001.

Obviously we never looked back! I just couldn’t get past the feeling of being almost adolescent previously? Even in the wake of the Tech Wreck things just looked innocent by comparison?

 
 
 
Comment by DinOR
2009-02-20 11:37:40

Oh, by the bye I find it perfectly ridiculous that there’s an assertion that Madoff -never- owned ‘any’ securities. Period. If that -were- true, the SEC is more incompetent than any of could ever imagine.

In so implying it certainly does seem to lend credibility to the notion that the SEC was not, nor should have had any involvement whatsoever! ( Kills several birds w/ the same stone ) So… how is IT that SIPC should be involved either? By that barometer, these never were “brokerage accounts” to begin with?

Comment by Mo Money
2009-02-20 15:01:59

Another good reason to stay away from Wall Street until all the crooks have been exposed and the regulators start regulating again. They really have bitten the hand that feeds them.

 
Comment by Skip
2009-02-20 15:43:55

I wonder what his room full of trader did all day long? The Enron traders knew it was fake.

Everyone must have been in on the scam.

Comment by DinOR
2009-02-20 16:51:40

Skip,

True that. As a matter of fact, their “Energy Trading Dept. was right here in Portland, OR. ‘That’ didn’t stand up to very much scrutiny? This Allen Stanford clown was a real piece of work. I have to believe that by involving themselves only in unlicensed transactions that they were able to operate as long as they did?

It ‘does’ stretch believabilty to the point of torture to think that Madoff or any of these others were able to sustain their scams without the tailwinds of ’some’ dividends, interest etc?

So… you’re claiming to pay out a, 9% return ( in good mkts and bad ) and at the same time you’re skimming off outrageous fees without so much as the aid of a muni bond!? Not buyin’ it people.

 
 
 
Comment by blofeld42
2009-02-20 14:16:24

Dataquick: “The median price paid for a home [in California] last month was $224,000, down 10 percent from $249,000 for the month before, and down 41.5 percent from $383,000 in January a year ago. ”

Just a couple months ago the California Association of Realtors said they expected home prices to drop 6% in 2009. We’ve blown past that in less than a month. Right about two weeks, actually.

Comment by Mo Money
2009-02-20 15:04:25

another 36% drop wouldn’t surprise me

 
Comment by Next Shoe To Drop
2009-02-20 21:19:47

The end of the DQNews article sure points to how collusive and uninforming these guys are — just as bad as realturds IMO.

“Indicators of market distress continue to move in different directions. Foreclosure activity waned in the fall but edged higher in December and remains near record levels, while financing with adjustable-rate mortgages is at an all-time low, as is financing with multiple mortgages. Down payment sizes and flipping rates are stable, non-owner occupied buying activity has edged a bit higher, MDA DataQuick reported. ”

No mention of SB1137, or that DP sizes are only stable because of idiotic FHA 3.x% allowances. Flipping rates are stable? That’s a sure sign of further distress to come then.

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2009-02-20 15:38:45

Expect an announcement any day now. Someone in Bits warned that since Lewis was bellowing how BofA wasn’t going to be nationalized, they probably were. LOL! These dickoffs, you just can’t go wrong by believing the opposite of what they say.

http://www.chartingstocks.net/2009/02/gone-in-60-days-citi-and-bank-of-america-wont-live-to-see-may/

 
Comment by Ria Rhodes
2009-02-20 15:40:24

My God, I can’t imagine anyone saying it better:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/opinion/20brooks.html

 
Comment by 2banana
2009-02-20 16:36:16

“‘I’m working 15 hours of overtime each week and I’m barely able to make the payment on a $280,000 house that has a $310,000 mortgage,’the 50-year-old exterminator said. ‘When I sit here deciding whether I should pay the heating bill or pay the mortgage, I’m close to handing the keys back to the bank.’”

Think how much worse he is going to feel once he realizes he has been sacrificing, scrimping and killing himself while the deadbeat down the road gets his mortgage modified with half the principle forgiven and the interest rate slashed to 4% with taxpayer monies…

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-02-20 20:28:10

15 extra hours a week. Wow! I work only 40 hour weeks and my buddy, a Donald Trump wannabe called me a rent slave 2 yaers ago! My rent price is coming down!

 
Comment by denquiry
2009-02-21 07:36:18

He will become a deadbeat too. If you can’t beat em, join em.

 
 
Comment by L. Opine
2009-02-21 18:32:31

Can we agree on spelling things right?

Principal = the amount borrowed
Principle = what realtors lack

It’s not hard.

 
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