March 1, 2009

It’s Getting Ridiculous In Florida

The Naples News reports from Florida. “Marbella Lakes in Naples began its grand opening weekend on Saturday and will continue the event through Sunday. Patty Campbell, the company’s division president, had said Friday that she wouldn’t be surprised to see prospective buyers camping out overnight, or arriving as early as 6 a.m. Saturday to claim lots and homes. By 8:30 a.m. Saturday, there were no lines. However, the sales center quickly filled as the morning progressed. ‘Our grand opening specials include $15,000 off the price for a house under construction or $15,000 off in options for the lot for single-family homes and carriage homes to be built,’ Campbell said.”

“In addition, G.L. Homes is offering up to 3 percent toward the closing costs to entice buyers. Buyers can make reservations to purchase houses under construction or select a lot and build it to suit from a variety of options. ‘We have a lot of selections – we don’t do structural changes, but we do have a lot of options to make it your dream home,’ Campbell said.”

The Daily Business Review. “When it came to funding condominium construction in South Florida, there were few lenders as aggressive as New York-based iStar. And now that the condo bubble has burst, iStar…has more than $1 billion of loans scheduled to come due over the next seven months, has been unloading properties at substantial losses.”

“Many of iStar’s troubled properties were inherited when the lender purchased Freemont Investment and Loan in May 2007 for about $1.9 billion. Freemont had loaned millions of dollars in construction loans through out Florida. ‘They are in need of capital,’ said David Chiaverini, a BMO Capital Markets analyst who covers iStar. ‘I’m modeling for a loss of 86 cents per share.’”

The Miami Herald. “Rising from city bureaucrat to billionaire builder, Jorge Pérez became the great American success story, Miami style. The Cuban immigrant made the South Florida skyline his canvas, erecting high-rises from Miami to West Palm Beach. But not one of them can compare to his latest creation, the ICON Brickell, a sumptuous $1 billion glass-and-concrete city within a city that includes three soaring towers, a pool the size of a football field, 1,640 condos, a boutique hotel and five restaurants.”

“It is Florida’s most spectacular condo, Pérez’s masterpiece, his legacy. And, now, it may be his undoing. The ‘total meltdown that we are seeing today,’ Pérez said, is far worse than he ever imagined. ‘If I die and am worth $50 million as opposed to $3 billion, it is really not important,’ he said. Until his recent setbacks, Forbes pegged his wealth at $1.3 billion.”

The Palm Beach Post. “A November fire-sale auction of units in a West Palm Beach condominium has set a price for all sales in the building. Since November, The Edge condo along South Australian Avenue has sold 40 more units to buyers at nearly the same prices paid during the auction, according to Jay Jacobson, South Florida director for Edge developer Wood Partners.”

“For instance, recent ads show a two-bedroom/two bath unit that was priced at $436,000 now is available for $195,000. ‘For us, the auction set what the market value was. Anyone who thinks they can get more than what we’re getting in West Palm Beach now is drinking Kool-Aid,’ Jacobson said.”

The News Journal. “Condos in the proposed 202-unit Island Town Center on the New Smyrna Beach north causeway were selling well in mid-2005 when the real estate market was hot. But Jacksonville-based developers Urban Partners soon ran into a regulatory quagmire trying to get a permit for an associated 104-slip boat dock plan, the project’s major selling point. It’s a familiar story along the Halifax and Indian rivers of east Volusia County.”

“‘We had to print brochures that the docks were pending. Dozens backed out of buying. No one wanted to buy a waterfront condo without a boat slip — the Florida dream,’ said Ronnie Leinwohl, executive VP of Urban Partners. ‘It took us two years to get the permit from the water district, but, by that time, the housing market had crashed and the financing has dried up now.’”

“With the paint peeling and the fence broken in a couple of places, the home of Daytona Beach’s most famous apparition is taking on a ghostly pallor itself. The grande dame of the beachside, Lilian Place has a storied past. The $2.3 million price that the home was first listed at in 2006 made a date with the wrecking ball to make way for condominiums all but certain. Now, though, the price has dropped precipitously — to $699,999. But the inflated value reflected in its tax assessment is scaring buyers away, according to Aswin Suri, the real estate agent showing the property.”

“‘It’s a little bit in No Man’s Land,’ said Suri, explaining the seven-bedroom property is big for a residence but small for a bed and breakfast, particularly one with taxes assessed at $1.2 million. ‘The property taxes are so high on this property, it’s turned off at least seven potential buyers,’ he said.”

“Michael Riccitiello Jr. and his wife, Suzanne…bought the house with financing for 114 percent of its $524,900 sale price in 2002. County records show that mortgage was satisfied in 2006 — about 19 months after Suzanne Riccitiello’s death. But her husband, who couldn’t be reached for comment, then leveraged more financing on the house: This time for $1 million.”

‘Real estate agent Suri said the large amount of money owed on the property now in foreclosure is part of why the bank has not accepted any of the several contracts that he has proposed — or made any counteroffers. ‘The loss would be so substantial, they (the bank) keep pushing the loss from quarter to quarter,’ Suri said. ‘There’s a lot of stress on the lending institution to take that much of a haircut.’”

The Orlando Sentinel. “A group of would-be resort-home owners is attempting to force an Orlando developer into U.S. Bankruptcy Court, saying the company took about $34 million in deposits for never-built houses in Polk County. The 19 creditors, many British, filed an involuntary-bankruptcy petition Feb. 20 that seeks to freeze the assets of Superior Homes & Investments LLC so they can retrieve deposits made in 2004 and 2005.”

“The deposits, from $40,000 to $140,000 each, were for vacation homes in a 791-lot Davenport community called Oakmont Resort & Spa. Pictures on the development’s Web site show vast stretches of dirt lots littered with construction equipment. ‘Our question is: What did they do with the money? I mean, that’s a lot of money,’ said Wendy Anderson, a lawyer with the Winter Park firm Anderson & Badgley who is representing the group.”

From ABC News. “It was $3,500 Nickie Struthers couldn’t afford — but desperate to stave off foreclosure, the 45-year-old and her fiance, a surgeon, scribbled their signatures on the check they thought would yield salvation. She handed the check to someone she’d done business with in the past, a mortgage broker-turned-foreclosure rescuer. But months went by, and the broker seemed to disappear. He had promised to modify her loan, she said, ‘but he wouldn’t take our phone calls, e-mails, nothing. I never thought this would happen.’”

“She admitted that the Bradenton McMansion she and her fiance purchased at the peak of the market in the summer of 2005 was overpriced, and that they were underfunded. Shuffling through her papers, Struthers said her neighbor’s home recently sold for half the purchase price of their home, $817,000. Her home is now worth $465,000, she estimated, and she and Howard owe more than $800,000 on it.”

“But the man who admits he accepted Struthers’ check, Chris Campbell of the company Lionstar LLP, insisted he is not a scammer. Rather, he said he believes he may have been scammed by a subcontractor to which he passed along the money, which in turn was supposed to deal with Wachovia. ‘I think they deserve their money back and I will try to make it up to them,’ Campbell said. ‘I’m not a con artist. I’m just a former mortgage guy. I tried to find an alternative for them. It backfired on me.’”

The Herald Tribune. “Last March, someone who may never have set foot inside Sunset Ridge filed a simple legal document with the Polk County clerk of the court’s office and suddenly claimed ownership of the house with a full-sized pool. The document, known as a quit-claim deed, asserted that the home’s owners…had surrendered title for a mere $10.”

“‘Every second or fourth house is either empty or has got a ‘for sale’ sign on it in a lot of those neighborhoods,’ said Sgt. Vernon Noad, who leads an identity theft strike force for the Polk County Sheriff’s Office. ‘So it leaves a lot of potential for people to ride around up there and just run addresses through the property appraiser’s office.’”

“A plunging economy has brought the state to a place even the most zealous anti-growth forces never imagined: Florida has become a zero-growth state. Chuck Rizzo is among area business owners likely to wave goodbye. In 2001 he and his family left New York and joined the nearly 1,000 people a day moving to Florida. He got a job with Lee Wetherington Homes and bought a home.”

“He was laid off when the building market collapsed. He started his own business, but that is failing. Rizzo is making one final effort to find a job. But with the unemployment rate at nearly 8 percent he is not optimistic. ‘I had been through previous recessions, but I had never felt them,’ Rizzo said.”

“Manatee County Commissioner Joe McClash worries the flat growth rate could lead to further deflation of property values, which means less income for local governments and probably more cuts to sources feeding the state Treasury. ‘All those empty houses still don’t have people to buy them,’ McClash said.”

From Florida Today. “The federal government is sweetening the pot to encourage first-time homebuyers to jump into the housing market, improving on last year’s incentive with a new tax credit. Chris and Diana Foster closed on their Melbourne home, the first for both of them, in October. They’d planned to buy in order to build equity, regardless of tax incentive.”

“Realtor Abby Barclay, who helped the Fosters with their purchase, is finding few first-time homebuyers being spurred into action by the tax incentive. Most are happy to learn about the incentive, but already had been looking at homes. ‘We don’t see that it’s bringing anybody into the marketplace,’ she said.”

“Diana Foster admits to being disappointed that they could have gotten a better deal if they’d waited, but they’re philosophical about it. ‘Who knows what people are going to be getting in 2010?’ she asked.”

The Business Jacksonville. “The fourth quarter of 2008 was a blue period for residential real estate sales in Northeast Florida, according to…DataQuick. The ‘blues’ in Clay, Duval, Nassau and St. Johns counties represented drops in sales prices and volumes, giving a vivid portrayal of a real estate market that has shifted into reverse.”

“Ray Rodriguez, owner of the Real Estate Strategy Center of North Florida in Jacksonville, called the real estate market in the fourth quarter ‘very moderate’ and said he thinks it won’t turn around anytime soon. ‘Normally, the last quarter is when people rush to homestead their home, but with the economy being the way it is, they’re slowing down and not rushing to buy,’ he said.”

“Rodriguez said most buyers during that quarter likely planned to stay in their homes for five to seven years, because the market is no longer favorable to speculative buying. ‘They don’t look at real estate as being the investment that they used to,’ he said.”

The St Petersburg Times. “Tampa Bay area home prices took one of the largest one-month tumbles in history. The low-price-equals-brisker-sales phenomenon is more pronounced in Cape Coral-Fort Myers. Sales more than doubled in January. But it came at the cost of a 59 percent collapse in prices in the January-to-January period.”

“‘Right now, unfortunately, foreclosures are about the only game in town,’ St. Petersburg Realtor Jerry Sigler said. ‘If you’ve got a foreclosure to pick from, why go to a retail property?’”

“A Tampa auction of bank-owned homes earlier this month found bidders for 131 of 176 homes. The average price worked out to $77,000 per home. So influential have foreclosures been in setting the market that financially stable sellers feel compelled to cut prices. Deborah Farmer, head of Tampa’s Star Light Realty, recently bought a house with 180 feet of lakefront for $589,000. In a normal market it could have sold for $800,000, she said.”

“In the Tampa Bay area, prices have come down almost 50 percent from the peak in June 2006. ‘I think there’s a lot of fear,’ Farmer said. ‘Sellers think, ‘I’ve got equity in my home, and I’d better get out when the getting’s good.’”

“Though she has an 813 credit score, Farmer had to scrape up a 50 percent down payment on the lake house, a far cry from the 100 percent financing of 2005. As a small business owner with variable income, she couldn’t provide tax forms to qualify for better terms. ‘Banks have to loosen up,’ she said. ‘It’s getting ridiculous.’”

“There’s growing consensus this economic downturn is not only longer, deeper and nastier. It’s becoming clear this recession may prove transforming, potentially changing us personally, regionally, nationally — even globally — in fundamental ways.”

“‘This Is Not the End of America’ is hardly the typically numbing title of Wachovia economist Mark Vitner’s regularly published commentary on how things are going. But last week he chose that title because he felt he needed to respond to the extraordinary angst he encounters in his work and life. ‘Throughout this financial crisis,’ Vitner writes, ‘I have been approached repeatedly by people from all walks of life asking the question, ‘Is this the end of America as we know it? Is the American dream dead?’”

“This column’s headline is borrowed without apology from a lengthy cover story titled ‘How the Crash Will Reshape America’ appearing in the March issue of the Atlantic magazine. The provocative article was written by Richard Florida.”

“He’s honed his thoughts a lot and applies them well to our current financial predicament and to some old economic stereotypes. Among his most relevant insights: Stop fixating on owning a home. The burst housing bubble should send a message that home ownership is no longer on the ‘A list’ of the American dream. People wanting to be elsewhere are now stuck in homes they are trying to sell, often at a substantial loss. People are working in jobs they do not like or are beneath them because they are tethered to housing. His message? Don’t underestimate the upside of renting.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2009-03-01 11:03:37

‘Our question is: What did they do with the money? I mean, that’s a lot of money,’ said a lawyer representing the group.’

You’ve got three guesses there lawyer.

Ah, these are the salad days for this blogger. First Trump and now the Condo King! What’s really funny about the Related chief is that after building these condos, he then went about forming a vulture fund to buy his own units, and now he likely goes down anyway. This guy lost twice in a single bust!

Comment by SFC
2009-03-01 12:17:21

And some people in South Florida are so stupid, they were buying new condos from him for list price at the exact same time he was buying the ones next to them (with his vulture fund) for 30 cents on the dollar.

It would be like going to a car dealership, where they had a lot full of cars for $20,000, and a lot right next to it with the exact same cars for $8,000, and choosing to pay $20,000.

Comment by Michael Fink
2009-03-01 12:19:43

And he probably overpaid at 30 cents on the dollar. There are lots of condos going to 0 in FL, and lots more going to 10-20 cents on the dollar, or the whole building will go section 8 (effectively taking it to 0).

Comment by SFC
2009-03-01 12:31:32

Maybe that’s started to sink in. I just got back from the Boca Costco. It could be my imagination, but the NY/NJ snowbird crowd seems especially morose this year. That’s saying a lot, as they’re always kinda nasty. Not a smile in the place. Costco was packed, though.

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Comment by RJ
2009-03-01 13:27:56

Dude, for a second I thought there was a condo development named Boca Costco.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-01 16:06:12

Dude, for a second I thought there was a condo development named Boca Costco.

Then they could sell the units by the pallet load, for an even greater discount!

 
Comment by Dan
2009-03-06 14:36:34

Dude, I used to live just off of Military and Clint-Moore in those apartments that became condos and then repartments.

We should like have a South Florida bubble blog get together for everyone in the Boca/Lauderdale are.

 
 
 
Comment by Julius
2009-03-01 13:11:27

South Florida is like an idiot supercollider. Seriously

Comment by Michael Fink
2009-03-01 13:18:20

ROFLMAO.

All the idiots, scammers, 3rd world refugees, and financial crook eventually make it to FL. Add in a healthy dose of 85 year old, oxycontin eating retirees and you’ve got a great mix of people. I love it here, but it’s certainly an acquired taste (and not a place for children!).

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Comment by palmetto
2009-03-01 15:35:19

“If I die and am worth $50 million as opposed to $3 billion, it is really not important,’ he said. Until his recent setbacks, Forbes pegged his wealth at $1.3 billion.”

Blowhard. I wouldn’t be surprised if this guy was flat busted and didn’t even have a million left to his name.

South Florida has more blowhards and shysters per square acre than anywhere else in the US, maybe even the world.

I remember when Ft. Lauderdale gave the keys to the city to the executives of the International Gold Bullion Exchange, a ponzi company that showed people “gold” bars in their vault that were really wood with gold paint. The “executives” were a bunch of small time thugs from New Jersey and a couple of them ended up behind bars. One died there. South Florida has a creepy way of elevating criminals and bloviators to the heights.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-01 16:33:20

Who are the Mizner Brothers?

 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-03-01 15:05:13

South Florida is like an idiot supercollider. Seriously lol

Full of scrambled brains, dream prices, sunshine and it needs massive doses of Thorazine ? :)

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Comment by Jimbo
2009-03-01 17:15:52

Sounds like a macrocosm of the crowd that frequents the library where my wife works. She’s a librarian, and when I tell people this, many reply,”Oooh, I would love that job.” I think they have this vision of sitting around reading romance novels all day, meeting nice, interesting intellectuals. They have no idea that the wife’s time is occupied dealing with (1) nasty, foul-smelling street people watching pornography on computer screens, fighting like cats for more time on this or that particular computer, (2) abusive, unappreciative, silver-haired matrons who will not wait until a books returned before they get it (”Just buy another. Now. Get me the director.”), and (3) brain-dead students with massive research projects due the next day. She doesn’t have any time to lounge around reading.

 
Comment by SaladSD
2009-03-01 17:55:50

If she were to have time to read, have her check out The Leisure Seeker, by Michael Zadoorian. About an oxycontin octogenarian and her Alzheimers husband who take a road trip from Detroit to Disneyland along the remnants of Route 66. Think Easy Rider, via an old RV.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-01 18:42:01

‘She’s a librarian, and when I tell people this, many reply,”Oooh, I would love that job.”’ …(a buncha sucky stuff) …She doesn’t have any time to lounge around reading…’

Well, then, she needs to go be a librarian in a different place. I was my town’s librarian when I was 17 and I LOVED it. I assumed the job, because I was the only one who knowed where the books was, because I had arranged them to my satisfaction, and Dewey Decimal be dam*ned. Of course, this was and is a town with no traffic-lights, more cows than people, and no one could even read in those parts and even if they COULD have, they was all busy fighting hay-balers anyway. No one had the interest to come in and breathe on me, and disturb my meditations.
I imagine that made a difference.

But, seriously, Jimbo, tell her to get the fook out. That sounds seriously AWFUL. Awful squared.

 
Comment by postman
2009-03-02 11:08:08

sounds like broward county library system!

 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-03-01 14:42:50

“For instance, recent ads show a two-bedroom/two bath unit that was priced at $436,000 now is available for $195,000. ‘For us, the auction set what the market value was. Anyone who thinks they can get more than what we’re getting in West Palm Beach now is drinking Kool-Aid,’ Jacobson said.”

Rename the whole State of Florida “Jonestown II”, slip away from the cult and RUN, RUN, RUN for the airstrip :)

Comment by Michael Fink
2009-03-01 16:26:37

Now there’s a shock. You mean this guy actually admits that the auction set the market price for a unit? I thought the market value was set by some candy cr**ing Unicorn, or by what one of the units is up for resale for. Or by what a moron using a 125% loan bought it for in 2006.

Of COURSE an auction sets market price. It’s almost mind boggling that that statement even needs to be said.

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Comment by DebtinNation
2009-03-01 20:59:35

I’ve got this scene from Ace Ventura I stuck in my head; when Ace visits the hometown of Ray Finkle.

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Comment by mikey
2009-03-01 14:26:51

The Orlando Sentinel. “A group of would-be resort-home owners is attempting to force an Orlando developer into U.S. Bankruptcy Court, saying the company took about $34 million in deposits for never-built houses in Polk County. The 19 creditors, many British, filed an involuntary-bankruptcy petition Feb. 20 that seeks to freeze the assets of Superior Homes & Investments LLC so they can retrieve deposits made in 2004 and 2005.”

Consider this REVENGE for the Burning of Washington in August 1814 and move on Redcoats :)

Comment by snake charmer
2009-03-01 16:11:13

I could never for the life of me figure out the appeal of Polk County houses to residents of the British Isles. Even as an “investment.” Not to offend any of our Polk bloggers here, but Polk County doesn’t even appeal to most Floridians.

Comment by CrackerJim
2009-03-01 19:55:00

“Not to offend any of our Polk bloggers here, but Polk County doesn’t even appeal to most Floridians.”

I like Polk County a lot. I am a Polk County native and when I eventually fully retire I plan to move back there.

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Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-03-02 07:51:46

I lived in Pinellas County, Florida for about 10 years. My perception of Polk County was that it was a bucolic area between Tampa and Orlando, with Interstate 4 running through it.

Once you got away from I-4, it was pretty much orange groves and cattle farms.

I can understand the attraction for British retirees. Being 30 miles from Disney World does provide an incentive for the grandchildren to come visit.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-03-02 07:42:43

Ben,

I’ve objected to this brand of bottom feeding in all it’s various forms. Former MB’s now “modifying” some of their own Liar Loans ( for a FEE of course ) Realtors working some of the -very- foreclosures THEY created!

The angles to work this thing from are endless. When we look at the way the OCC is structured, banks can’t bid on their OWN defaulted loans. Stockbrokers can’t pick up busted trades and place them in their own account ( the ‘profitable’ ones anyway? )

Why are we tolerating ‘this’?

 
 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-01 11:13:32

“Though she has an 813 credit score, Farmer had to scrape up a 50 percent down payment on the lake house, a far cry from the 100 percent financing of 2005. As a small business owner with variable income, she couldn’t provide tax forms to qualify for better terms. ‘Banks have to loosen up,’ she said. ‘It’s getting ridiculous.’”

Oh, baby! We have such a long way to go before things bottom out.

For one, the banks need to separate the knifecatchers from their money which is good for the taxpayers naturally.

Comment by Ben Jones
2009-03-01 11:15:50

Yes, another UHS ‘eating her own cooking.’ Wasn’t it over a year ago we heard that guy use those words. I wonder where he is now?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-01 12:02:20

All the tickmarks are in the right places.

Lake house? CHECK.
Knifecatcher? CHECK.
Small bid-ness owner? CHECK.
Variable income? CHECK.
Smoking RE dope? CHECK.

It’s like a bad horror film where you keep wanting to shout, “Don’t go in there!!!”

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-01 13:07:42

‘It’s like a bad horror film where you keep wanting to shout, “Don’t go in there!!!”

I LOVE bad horror films. I favor mutants, earnest whistleblowers with dated hairdos who have been unfairly marginalized but who were right all along it turns out, and evil scientists, and aliens, and creepy farmers in overalls, and Bigfoots, and I just squeal with joy when I find a gem that combines many of these elements.
Anyway, I always shout advice at the teevee, and sometimes when I happen to go to the cinema when I can’t wait for Netflix, and even once or twice at a theater, (but only once or twice, because meat actors don’t seem to appreciate that), but I never shout: “Don’t go in there!!!”.
I WANT them to go in there. It confirms my view of the world, that people are basically ignorant and unperceptive, that stupid people get what they deserve, whether it’s foreclosure or spun up in a cocoon and sucked to a hollow twitching husk by centipedes from Mars.
Oh, and it’s more exciting, too.

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Comment by ArrowSmith
2009-03-01 14:38:04

It’s good for the rest us when the knife-catchers eliminate themselves from contention.

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Comment by GotRocks
2009-03-01 12:05:59

“As a small business owner with variable income, she couldn’t provide tax forms to qualify for better terms.”

Well, if her income is that variable, then she seems like a pretty high risk to pay back her loan. Sounds like the lenders are acting a bit more responsible.

(and by the way, Ms. Farmer, if you don’t document your income when reporting to the IRS, don’t expect to be able to use it when asking for a loan…and, no, I have no idea if she’s a tax cheat, but many others like her certainly are and this area needs to be explored a bit more, in my opinion)

Comment by oxide
2009-03-01 17:39:00

Basing loans on income rather than on FICO? How quaint.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2009-03-01 19:16:50

Yeah, all the Option ARM resets that will continue to drive up foreclosures over the next few years were FICO 700 and above.

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Comment by P. Pearsey von Peepwig
2009-03-01 17:03:42

Why couldn’t she provide the tax forms? Did she cheat on her taxes, or did she lie about her income. I wouldn’t give her more that 50% LTV either.

Comment by Blano
2009-03-01 19:32:42

That “I can’t provide tax forms” is pure BS. Either she didn’t file any with the IRS to begin with, or they don’t jive with what she’s actually making, i.e. it’s underreported.

 
 
 
Comment by GotRocks
2009-03-01 11:29:54

“Many of iStar’s troubled properties were inherited when the lender purchased Freemont Investment and Loan in May 2007 for about $1.9 billion.”

This operation must be trying to win the “Sandler of the Year” award or something. It was quite obvious where things were going by May, 2007…it was pretty clear even a year earlier.

And these are the “Smartest People in the Room”.

Comment by 45north
2009-03-01 20:44:59

Many of iStar’s troubled properties were inherited when the lender purchased Freemont Investment and Loan in May 2007 for about $1.9 billion.

iStar should be iWishiHadntDoneThat

 
 
Comment by Jackie Childs
2009-03-01 11:34:44

Now, though, the price has dropped precipitously — to $699,999. But the inflated value reflected in its tax assessment is scaring buyers away, according to Aswin Suri, the real estate agent showing the property.”

Had a real interesting client come in the other day to the office. He owns about 15 rentals, all paid for. This is a real country boy, but he is smart beyond his formal education. He told me a few years back the county tried to assess his properties at some inflated value that would have cost him about 4k/yr in increased taxes. He ended up filing a lawsuit against the county commissioner, which was quickly settled out of court, and they didn’t raise his taxes at all that year, and have not since.

I thought that was genius. He bypassed the appeals process and filed a lawsuit for $85.00 against the county directly. I love guys like that. Imagine if this idea caught on…

Comment by Kirisdad
2009-03-01 11:55:06

If it caught on, the count assessor would then fight the cases, instead of settling.

Comment by Michael Fink
2009-03-01 12:17:29

Good luck with that. The idea that I can buy a house today for 200K and then have the assessor come in and tell me the “value” of that house is actually 400K (thereby doubling my taxes, and, most importantly, my SOH base amount which will make my taxes doubled forever) is just asinine! Frankly, I don’t care very much right now as this will just speed the decline, but the overall concept is mindboggling (to say the least).

So, I just bought this home for 200K in an open market transaction, but you are telling me it’s actually worth 400K? HOW ON EARTH did I buy it at 200K then? How can they even think that an open-market transaction doesn’t set the value? Frankly, after an open sale, there’s no reason to re-appraise at all that year, the value has been set FAR more accurately then any appraiser can hope for.

Honestly, I think that if you’re in this situation (bought for 200K, appraiser thinks it’s worth 400K) you should be given the IMMEDIATE option to sell the home to the appraiser at his value. Fine, you think this home is worth 400K, you just bought it (and I made 200K), here are the keys.

It’s just beyond maddening that this kind of thing can even fly, but I’m hearing about in case after case down here in FL. Someone buys a home for 150K and finds that their taxes are based (and they appraiser won’t budge) off the bubble sale of 300K. That’s a HUGE deal in FL because of the SOH system, if you’re home is assessed at 300K, your taxes are doubled and you will lose any SOH protection (because of the recapture rule). It, like many other things, will cause FL to fall even further then the market would seem to dictate based on simple supply/demand. God help the appraiser when I buy a home, if I buy it for 200K and it’s appraised a penny over the amount I bought it for, I will make it my sole life’s mission to appeal it and fight it with every fiber of my being. It’s just too important in FL when you buy your first home to get that appraisal correct, you’re setting your tax base (with SOH and now portability) for the REST OF YOUR LIFE in the state. A 100K difference might only be 2K a year, but it’s 2K a year for the next 50 years. That’s an enormous number.

Comment by skroodle
2009-03-01 13:26:04

How do the tax assessors justify an assessment at double the free market value?

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Comment by Michael Fink
2009-03-01 16:11:24

I have NO earthly clue. Frankly, they shouldn’t even get a chance to assess a property that has just sold, I see no reason why (arm’s length transactions) they feel that they can set value more appropriately then the last sale.

They don’t have to justify it, they just hand them out, and then will fight the few that complain in court. It’s still outrageous and needs to stop! A sale SETS the value, not a moron (who has MUCH to gain by inflating the number) pulling what he/she thinks is a “fair value” out his/her a**. It makes me so mad (especially when you add the implications of SOH into the mix, you’re first assessment sets your tax bill for the rest of your LIFE in FL), I can’t even talk rationally about it. It’s just highway robbery, and should be immediately stopped by the lawmakers (NEVER gonna happen).

 
Comment by Kirisdad
2009-03-01 17:27:33

Mike, how are the lawmakers going to stop it? they’re elected by the SOHer’s and their campaigns are paid for, by the rich SOHer’s. Frankly, FL is swirling around the toilet bowl right now. I don’t see voters changing a constitutional ammendment that keeps their taxes at 1995 levels. In fact, isn’t that idiot Crist proposing a new ammendment, limiting the 3% assessment cap in a down market. Wasn’t this deflationary market supposed to even out the tax inequities?

 
Comment by Julius
2009-03-01 17:32:00

Justification: “We need your tax money to fund our state employees’ full health insurance, massive pensions, and other outrageous perks that you’ll never see and we’ll refuse to cut. Thus, pay up like a good little Floridian.”

 
Comment by Julius
2009-03-01 17:46:06

Plus, what’s truly disgusting about such moves is that they constitute a subversive attempt to crank up taxes WITHOUT the consideration of any other branch of government. Instead of doing something like going to the county government and attempting to get some sort of tax rate increase passed, the tax assessors cleverly slip a massive tax increase under the radar and force citizens to use the judicial system to get things resolved. It’s ridiculous.

 
 
Comment by Will
2009-03-02 08:44:11

I am amazed that people are actually buying houses in Florida without knowing how appraisal values are set. The appraisal value will never be the price you paid, unless you happened to buy the house on the end of year date on which appraisal values are set and no other proterties in your neighborhood sold for different prices at that date. This is not just a Florida matter, the tax value is not the market value in most states.

Are these the “professional” investors snapping up the bargans that we keep reading about?

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-01 15:53:48

‘This is a real country boy, but he is smart beyond his formal education.’

Yar, they often are. Them overalls is just to keep the cow-poop off, it’s not simply cute decoration for city-folk calendars, after all.
What a surprise, huh?

But, moving on, what IIIIII want to know is, just what did his lawsuits look like? I mean, the grounds. Is what fascinates me.
Tell us!

Comment by Jackie Childs
2009-03-01 20:18:11

just what did his lawsuits look like? I mean, the grounds. Is what fascinates me.

Not sure the details of the suit. His lawyer filed it for him and it never went to court. They settled real fast.

Most people would just go to the tax assessors’s office and go through the appeals process which is painful enough, but I just got a kick out of this guy bringing suit against the county.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-01 22:33:20

Okay. Thank you.

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Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-03-02 07:58:20

Maybe he had photos of the county commissioner with some farm animals….

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Comment by rusty
2009-03-02 08:28:57

like cute, innocent sheeple?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2009-03-01 11:44:04

OT…Martin Wolf from the financial times with pretty sobering commentary on the housing market on CNN/GPS this morning…

 
Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2009-03-01 12:09:17

what year have prices in your hood regressed to ?
22151 is late 04 now
N Va

Comment by Muir
2009-03-01 15:43:48

Miami 2003

…but picking up speed.
(zips—>33134,29,45,33,57,58 etc)

 
Comment by P. Pearsey von Peepwig
2009-03-01 16:59:02

94560 (Newark, CA)

According to Zillow, 2004.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-03-01 20:19:58

Zillow is worthless.I would say, the County Assessor’s Office or Dataquick are the best sources.

 
 
Comment by Blano
2009-03-01 19:34:21

Mid-1990’s.

 
 
Comment by SFC
2009-03-01 12:23:44

“Diana Foster admits to being disappointed that they could have gotten a better deal if they’d waited, but they’re philosophical about it. ‘Who knows what people are going to be getting in 2010?’ she asked.”

This is exactly why the government should stop messing with housing. Not only can you lose if the price goes down, you also lose if the government incentives go up. And everyone who buys loses when the government incentives stop. There’s just no possible way to determine the real value of these houses with the government in there throwing various programs at them.

Comment by Jen Bones
2009-03-01 13:40:05

“Diana Foster admits to being disappointed that they could have gotten a better deal if they’d waited, but they’re philosophical about it. ‘Who knows what people are going to be getting in 2010?’ she asked.”

The Florida Today article continues:

“When asked to explain further why she didn’t wait to buy, Foster took a slow draw on her calabash pipe, and then, recalling Schopenhauer, added:

‘Everyone believes herself a priori to be perfectly free, even in her individual actions, and thinks that at every moment she can commence another manner of life. … But a posteriori, through experience, she finds to his astonishment that she is not free, but subjected to necessity, that in spite of all her resolutions and reflections she does not change her conduct, and that from the beginning of her life to the end of it, she must carry out the very character which she herself condemns….’”

Luv,
Jen

Comment by not a gator
2009-03-01 19:11:25

Perfect!

 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2009-03-01 12:30:38

“I have been approached repeatedly by people from all walks of life asking the question, ‘Is this the end of America as we know it? Is the American dream dead?”

If the American dream is something for nothing, then perhaps.

Otherwise, were Americans willing to make some personal and communal sacrifices for a decade or so, we’d have no problems.

The U.S. is the freest, hardest working and most creative country in history. Somehow we’ve so overconsumed that our so-called needs are beyond even our capabilities. For such a country to be in this perdicament is embarrassing.

Comment by Julius
2009-03-01 13:03:01

Yeah, but people around here have shown very little willingness in the last decade or so to make sacrifices, work hard, or even respect the freedoms granted by the Constitution. Our “greatness” largely evaporated when people started refusing to do the things that had made us great.

As the novelist Thomas Wolfe was fond of saying, “I believe we are lost here in America”. Unlike Wolfe, however, I don’t have much faith that we’ll be found again sometime, either now or in the near future. The lazy, passive, selfish “gimme gimme” attitude is too entrenched in today’s Americans for much progress to occur.

Comment by aqius
2009-03-01 13:36:07

yes, it is sad how america has turned into a country based on reward without obligation/failure witout responsibility

 
 
Comment by P. Pearsey von Peepwig
2009-03-01 16:54:53

The American dream is to become a duck.

Comment by DennisN
2009-03-01 19:09:58

Today’s sermon comes from the Gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke and (sees bundle of dynamite coming in the window) DUCK! ;)

 
 
Comment by DebtinNation
2009-03-01 21:48:54

It seems like we’re more about bread and circuses these days. Sigh. :-s

 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-01 13:45:23

“It is Florida’s most spectacular condo, Pérez’s masterpiece, his legacy. And, now, it may be his undoing. The ‘total meltdown that we are seeing today,’ Pérez said, is far worse than he ever imagined. ‘If I die and am worth $50 million as opposed to $3 billion, it is really not important,’ he said.

I don’t think it’s important, either. But I still feel a vague desire that this Perez guy go ahead and die, anyhow.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-01 13:49:01

Especially when I consider that he probably despoiled quite a lot of shoreline, wetlands, animal habitat and estuaries in his ‘empire building’ attempts. If he’s anything at all like the developers and builders that I see around here, that is.

So that amps up my vague desire for his demise into more of an impatient yearning for his demise sort of sensation.

Comment by snake charmer
2009-03-01 14:15:44

More below from the Miami Herald article on Mr. Perez and ICON, which also contains a brief video tour of the building. The piece includes the standard kiss-ass quotes from local real estate figures, as well as the developer’s typical denial of personal ego involvement. He’s only interested in “leaving a legacy.” Right. Did anyone see the possible irony of using Easter Island as a motif? Apparently the architect didn’t. And an immense outdoor fireplace, in a City that might get cold enough to use it ten times a year! The Bonfire of the Vanities, redux.
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“Designed by Arquitectonica, and rising near the banks of the Miami River, ICON is a metaphor for the high-flying exuberance of Miami’s housing boom.

‘Do you think anyone else builds something like this?’ said Pérez, his arm sweeping as he showed off the two-acre pool deck, framed by Japanese blueberry trees.

French designer Philippe Starck provided a range of whimsical features for the ICON, including more than 100 22-foot columns that mimic the statues of Easter Island, an immense outdoor fireplace crafted of French limestone, and oversize chess pieces adorning a walkable chessboard.

‘Starck was almost crying when he came in,’ said Pérez, ‘thanking me for having the audacity to build this.”’

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-01 14:38:00

‘Starck was almost crying when he came in,’ said Pérez, ‘thanking me for having the audacity to build this.”’

Maybe he was crying because his sense of style had been unwillingly bent over and thoroughly violated. I mean, giant grumpy-looking stone heads perched here and there? Do they have the requisite red caps and coral eyes?
I chose Easter Island as my subject for a psychology class paper in college. Man, it was fascinating. I well recall reading the Thor Heyerdahl book on it. Since discredited, to my disappointment.
Anyway, Easter Island completely illustrates my belief that most people are idjits. No matter where you go. No matter what you do. Most. People. Are. Idjits.
So, this being so, all you can do, personally, is have as much fun as possible in your life and enjoy not being an idjit—assuming, of course, that you aren’t.

Anyway, yeah, I agree–this is a PERFECT decor for this development, although I’d like to see more cannibalism here. A LOT more. Starting with Perez.

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Comment by Muir
2009-03-01 15:56:10

Oly,

1. “Do they have the requisite red caps and coral eyes?”

The eyes glow at night.

2. “Especially when I consider that he probably despoiled quite a lot of shoreline, wetlands, animal habitat and estuaries in his ‘empire building’ attempts. ”

Rest somewhat easy, everywhere he built it was already developed.
He tore down the previous structure.

And a tidbit: The Icon is next to the stone circle on the Miami river
(wiki/Miami_Circle) which makes the Moai column heads that the article mentions seem all that more bizarre.

 
Comment by mikey
2009-03-01 16:42:35

Anyway, yeah, I agree–this is a PERFECT decor for this development, although I’d like to see more cannibalism here. A LOT more. Starting with Perez.

Ben…Olygal is talking about EATING people again!!! :)

 
Comment by oxide
2009-03-01 17:44:17

I bet the thing was up for architectural awards too. My experience has been that it if won architectural awards, it’s butt-ugly. Exhibit A: Dulles Airport.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-01 18:44:41

‘Rest somewhat easy, everywhere he built it was already developed.
He tore down the previous structure.

Oh, thanks, Muir.

<i?And a tidbit: The Icon is next to the stone circle on the Miami river
(wiki/Miami_Circle) which makes the Moai column heads that the article mentions seem all that more bizarre.

Even MORE thanks! Wow

 
Comment by hunkydory
2009-03-01 19:03:05

“I well recall reading the Thor Heyerdahl book on it.”

‘Kon-Tiki’, one of my favorites!

I just picked up ‘Fatu-Hiva’ at a library sale. It’s him and his newlywed on an 18-month honeymoon spent roughing it on the Marquessan island.

His inspiration for the Kon-Tiki voyage came from that trip, when an old tribesman told him his ancestors settled there “from the east”.

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-03-01 19:12:56

Olygal,

You mean that Aku-Aku has been descredited? Horrors….

That was my favorite Thor H. book growing up.

 
Comment by Bob in Vegas
2009-03-01 19:36:23

oxide,
I think Reagan Washington National Airport is even uglier than Dulles Airport.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-01 20:07:11

‘You mean that Aku-Aku has been descredited? Horrors….’
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Yes, Dennis. Yes. You can go ahead and puke now. I know I did.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-01 20:08:47

‘Ben…Olygal is talking about EATING people again!!!’
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Not ME, this time, mikey. Someone ELSE has to eat this jerk. For one thing, I’m not in FL. For another, I wouldn’t eat this Perez guy, no matter how hungry I got.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2009-03-01 20:12:37

Olygal, I assume you’ve read Jared Diamond’s book Collapse, and particularly its chapter on Easter. His read on the evidence is that the the island’s people expended a phenomenal amount of their limited natural resources building and transporting those statutes. Different clans, heedless of the unsustainability of the situation, competed with each other to build the tallest. Once the social fabric frayed, the statues then were toppled.

Not a comfortable metaphor if you’re Jorge Perez.

 
Comment by SaladSD
2009-03-01 21:16:00

I heard Jared Diamond speak at the annual Festival of Books at UCLA– fascinating stuff. Apparently Easter Island was heavily forested, and then they cut down the last tree…. end of story/civilization

 
 
 
Comment by Muir
2009-03-01 15:52:57

Oly,
“Especially when I consider that he probably despoiled quite a lot of shoreline, wetlands, animal habitat and estuaries in his ‘empire building’ attempts. ”

Rest somewhat easy, everywhere he built it was already developed.
He tore down the previous structure.

And a tidbit: The Icon is next to the stone circle on the Miami river
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Circle) which makes the Moai column heads that the article mentions seem all that more bizarre.

 
Comment by P. Pearsey von Peepwig
2009-03-01 16:43:43

How many of those $3 billion were bilked from people who actually needed it?

 
 
 
Comment by SoldierRenter
2009-03-01 13:50:20

Well, I’ve fired three buyer’s agents so far here in Riverview, FL. Each time I give the same spiel, “no happy talk, I will decide the purchase/bid price, your job is to get me the information fast.” Each time they want to give me their professional assessment. I get that here and from the county websites, I just need a door opener and they can have their stinking 18K. Yep, I know, it sickens me also that they get to do nothing and earn my money but that is the current system. Bank properties here are priced at 50-60% of owner’s listings so I’ll just wait for it to foreclose and make a quick bid at $50-60 a sq foot (1998-2000 prices, just like you guys said). The high end is slowly collapsing, we seem to be trailing Clownifornia by about 6-9 months. The 100K-200K area is moving swiftly from distressed sales. On another note, inventory is heading upward as more people are spooked and run for the exits.

Comment by palmetto
2009-03-01 15:41:43

Jeez, soldier, just go ahead and keep renting in R’view for another year. I’m telling you, we’re really about a year away from capitulation here in East Hillsborough. They STILL don’t get it. I spoke to a realtor over the weekend who tried to give me the spiel that some properties were getting multiple offers at asking price!!!!!!! Really, I nearly spit on her shoes. And I gave her a good piece of my mind, too. I’m sick of this crap.

Unfortunately, recently I’ve come up against some pretty serious denial in this part of Florida. I’m thinking that reality won’t set in until this summer.

 
 
Comment by Curt
2009-03-01 13:56:30

‘I’m not a con artist. I’m just a former mortgage guy. …”

Uh, I’m from the Government, I’m here to help!

Comment by snake charmer
2009-03-01 14:17:32

The Tampa Tribune had an article today on career changes, and one of the featured individuals also referred to himself as a former “mortgage guy.” Was this phrase the common parlance in that industry?

 
Comment by mikey
2009-03-01 14:57:23

Alright Americans… Stand Back !!

We have to burn your village to save it :)

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2009-03-01 15:21:18

Not to corrupt the Florida thread, but has anybody heard about this rumor going around on the internet that Secretary of State Clinton and her posse granted some godawful eminent domain rights in the US to China as collateral for debts owed? Could be tin foil hat, OTOH, if you’d told me years ago we’d be getting all these goods from China and that foods and pharmaceuticals would be made there for the US market, I would have told you to crap in your tin foil hat and pull it over your head.

Comment by P. Pearsey von Peepwig
2009-03-01 16:37:16

I heard an internet rumor that you could open your car remotely by calling in from your cell phone and using the clicker.

Comment by P. Pearsey von Peepwig
2009-03-01 16:39:22

In other news, I just got off the phone with my 85-year-old grandma, who is dying from pancreatic cancer. She said she’s losing money on her investments. INVESTMENTS? I told her 3 years ago I wanted to talk to her financial “guy”, but no one ever listens to me, see? It’s because I’m too short. No one ever listens to short people.

 
Comment by Julius
2009-03-01 16:46:41

Hahaha no it doesn’t work. The car lock “clickers” operate on radio frequencies. Cell phones, on the other hand, utilize microwave frequencies and have no ability to convert radio waves into microwaves to “communicate” the clicker’s message to another cell phone. (They are, on the other hand, quite effective at converting sound waves to microwaves ;)

Comment by not a gator
2009-03-01 19:19:22

Radio frequency? Seriously? Do they use like morse code or something? Is this something I could rig up with some copper wire, batteries, and a diode? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Comment by palmetto
2009-03-01 15:23:33

“However, the sales center quickly filled as the morning progressed. ‘Our grand opening specials include $15,000 off the price for a house under construction or $15,000 off in options for the lot for single-family homes and carriage homes to be built,’ Campbell said.”

I’m shocked, I tell you, SHOCKED! I mean, really, after all that’s happened, people STILL don’t get it???????? In Southwest Florida? What’s it gonna take?

Comment by Pullthetrigger?
2009-03-01 17:18:42

The low-price-equals-brisker-sales phenomenon is more pronounced in Cape Coral-Fort Myers. Sales more than doubled in January. But it came at the cost of a 59 percent collapse in prices in the January-to-January period.”

I remember people pondering weather to buy there or not on this board. This is how it turns out. Closure! Wow!

Comment by palmetto
2009-03-01 18:53:04

In West Central and Southwest Florida, the places that really collapsed were Cape-Coral/Ft. Myers, Northport and Spring Hill. There’s just no real decent jobs in those areas, other than government and maybe health care. But, some people are buying there at the collapsed prices. I just think the houses are going to drop further.

I was at my insurance agent’s office the other day. She’s been in this area a long time. She’s predicting $30,000 to $50,000 on some of the older block homes. Now that’s what I’m talking about!

 
 
Comment by still not time
2009-03-01 19:00:10

Palmy, I’m seeing the same thing here in Palmetto and Parrish. Went to some open houses last week, River Wilderness and River Woods. As I pull up to each house I realize that I’m the only one there and the realtor at each place tells me they have contracts on most of the houses, I reply, Then why are you showing the home, She retorts, just in case the contract falls through. I’m telling you the wall of denial must be made of steel cause it’s hard to bring down.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-03-01 17:03:09

“but desperate to stave off foreclosure, the 45-year-old and her fiance, a surgeon, scribbled their signatures on the check they thought would yield salvation.”

Note to self
Never have surgery in Bradenton.

Comment by palmetto
2009-03-01 18:54:59

There’s lot of things you don’t want to have in Bradenton. I hope it isn’t going to be a long, hot summer there, because the less-advantaged element is really getting restless and a lot of the lower income retirees are sort of sitting ducks.

Comment by not a gator
2009-03-01 19:22:47

Yeah, but seriously… what do they have to steal?

I mean, sure, knock ‘em over at the beginning of the month when they cash their SSI check, but the cops are *looking* for that. SSA makes them take it as DD, so the old rob ‘em at the mailbox shtick isn’t as lucrative as it used to be.

Actually, I don’t know if this was done much in Fl, though I assume so… everything I know about mugging grannies I learned in Boston. X-D

 
 
Comment by rms
2009-03-01 20:08:50

“Never have surgery in Bradenton.”

+1 LOL!

 
 
Comment by not a gator
2009-03-01 18:59:40

Thanks for picking up that growth rate article, Ben. It was a front-pager on the Sunday edition and I was meaning to look up the Sarasota online edition and read it. Good catch.

Comment by not a gator
2009-03-01 19:02:54

Oh! Oh! I forgot to add: Glengarry Glen Ross by David Mamet is playing at the Constans Theatre (in Reitz Union Dance Theatre Bldg) through March 6th. It’s a student production and it’s good. The play has been updated by the director from the early ’80’s original and the principals are now in their 20’s–which I think is appropriate, given the age of most of those unethical mortgage brokers during the boom.

It’s about unscrupulous real estate agents who sell Florida condos to unwary Chicago investors, trying to save their jobs as the economy crashes.

Comment by snake charmer
2009-03-01 20:22:28

“Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third place is — you’re fired.”

I recently wrote to a Chicago area friend about this very topic. Some of the condo buildings here never were intended for occupancy. Their only purpose was to be included in the investment portfolio of someone from the Midwest: stocks, bonds, art, and a Florida condo.

 
Comment by Kandy Kane DelwhateveritwasIforget
2009-03-03 11:22:37

Oh my god thank you so much. thank you thank you thank you. I love this play and I have to find stuff for my commu- what am I saying, I mean my COLLEGE students to do to enlighten themselves.

 
 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-03-01 19:54:07

“It took us two years to get the permit from the water district, but, by that time, the housing market had crashed and the financing has dried up now.’”

So this guy is actually saying that he missed the small window on ripping off buyers and passing the hot potato of overpriced RE on to some unsuspecting FB? Like, who ever needed his crappy condos in the first place? I live here in NSB and that place is still just a parking lot with a fancy (abandoned) sales office. A perfectly good older shopping center was bulldozed for this project. I hope they all lost their greedy asses on this one.

 
Comment by Mike
2009-03-01 23:10:28

Heres a nice little article. This company The Bethany Group is about to lose all 52 of their apartment complexes back to the bank. Probably somewhere around $2 Billion in real estate.

http://www.azcentral.com/business/news/articles/2009/03/01/20090301biz-apartments0301.html

Comment by DallasGallus
2009-03-02 09:17:53

Well, at least they chose their name well. One of the meanings of Bethany is “house of poverty.” I know because it’s my sister’s name, and she doesn’t exactly appreciate the connotation!

 
 
Comment by postman
2009-03-02 11:14:59

south florida is such an interesting place at this time. everyone is in denial. in miami-dade, everyone is catching knifes. broward is not too far behind. palm beach is behind as usual. 2009 is the year of the walk away in south florida. then, you will start seeing the tears. the jm group is laying off. office depot is next.

the good thing in all of this is that now people must work hard for the money. i remember the people laughing at me about 75% cuts in home prices before all of this is over. =) you are on candid camera!

 
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