Price Is Driving This Phenomenon In California
The Desert Sun reports from California. “Theresa Sandoval sets statues of Jesus that relatives send from Mexico under a lit shrine to Our Lady of Guadalupe in an alcove of her home in La Morada on a regular basis. The mother of five, who paid $385,000 for her home in October 2006, signed a mortgage she says she didn’t completely understand that left her with higher-than-expected monthly payments and an uncertain future. She’s on the verge of seeing the home land in Notice of Default territory.”
“Sandoval, who signed a fixed, interest-only loan at 6.75 percent, had been meeting her $1,871 monthly payments until the economy worsened. The payments will jump to $2,530 after Nov. 30, 2016, and would total $831,830 through the life of the loan. When Sandoval’s hours as a server for a resort were pared to a few days, and her husband’s hours were cut as well, the monthly payments suffered. Sandoval has been working with associates of the Laborers’ International Union of North America to try to find solutions.”
“‘I’m now six months behind,’ she said, dabbing at the tears that formed in her eyes as their supper — macaroni — bubbled on the stove.”
“Sales of entry-level homes dominated the Coachella Valley real estate scene during the fourth quarter of 2008, while big-ticket properties turned in a disappointing performance, new data shows. Sales of property priced under $500,000 doubled compared to the fourth quarter of 2007. Real estate activity mushroomed in west Desert Hot Springs, where sales prices averaged $108,247.”
“Sales of mid-range homes dropped nearly 50 percent. Sales in the market between $750,000 and $1 million fell by one-third. Homes priced above $1 million declined nearly 56 percent. ‘I have never seen prices tumble so dramatically in such a short time,’ said Patrick Veling, president of Brea-based Real Data Strategies, which provides and analyzes real estate data for The Desert Sun. ‘There has never been such a clear indicator that price is driving this sales phenomenon.’”
“Greg Berkemer, executive director of the California Desert Association of Realtors in Palm Desert, has described the market as one that can be unfairly harsh and hugely rewarding at the same time. ‘It depends on what line you happen to be standing in,’ he said. ‘The line for buyers is better now than the line for sellers. Even so, the non-serious buyer or seller should get out of line to allow those that need and want to sell or buy to meet.’”
“There are some signs the lower-priced home sales are exerting pressure on the upper echelon, and creating some price erosion, Veling said. At this time, any price fluctuation is not substantial enough to be supported by conforming loan limits. ‘What I’m hearing is nonconforming loans are difficult to get,’ Veling said.”
The Mercury News. “When the latest unemployment figures released last week showed one in four people in Watsonville were out of work in January. Unemployment numbers haven’t been that high in Watsonville since the ’90s when a post-Loma Prieta earthquake recession combined with an exodus of food processors to drive up job losses.”
“What is behind the dramatic 4.2 percent spike in January unemployment numbers to 25.7 percent may be numerous dovetailing factors. Or, according to some people, it’s no worse in Watsonville than anywhere else and the numbers are not a true reflection of the local job market. ‘There’s no mass exodus, no massive layoffs, no mass company closings,’ said Carl Blanke, a commercial real estate developer who watches business vacancies closely in the Watsonville area.”
“While the housing market in South County has plummeted, there aren’t that many more commercial vacancies than usual, Blanke said. Small businesses are struggling, ‘but I could make the same statement about Cincinnati or San Diego. Everybody is hurting.’”
“April, after the berry season gets under way, will be the tell-tale month, said Emilio Martinez, Watsonville city councilman. ‘Then we’ll be able to say either, It isn’t as bad as we thought,’ or we’ll say, Uh-oh.’”
The Contra Costa Times. “PMI Group Inc. lost $178.8 million during the fourth quarter, sharply reducing the pool of red ink that stains the mortgage insurer’s balance sheet and offering a glimmer of hope that the company’s fortunes may be turning. In the fourth quarter of 2007, PMI lost $1.01 billion.”
“The company believes it narrowed its loss by reducing its exposure to loans potentially burdened by higher risks. For example, PMI has been cutting back on providing insurance for Alt-A loans, which generally refer to mortgages sold to borrowers with tarnished credit. ‘Our improvement was driven very much by a tightening of our underwriting standards that began quite some time ago,’ said Donald Lofe, chief financial officer for PMI.”
“PMI estimated that 5.3 percent of the new policies for mortgage insurance that it wrote in 2008 were for Alt-A loans, compared with 27.4 percent in 2007, the company said in a regulatory filing of its annual report on Monday. ”
“The company also has begun to shun writing insurance for interest-only mortgages, which typically cause an increase in loan balances because full interest payments are deferred until later years in the mortgage. ‘Due to the tightening of underwriting guidelines in late 2007 and early 2008, 5.2 percent of new insurance written in 2008 was comprised of interest-only loans, compared with 20.2 percent in 2007,’ PMI stated in the regulatory filing.”
“The California housing market remains in a dreadful condition, according to information in the regulatory filing. PMI said the default rate on mortgages it has insured was 24.7 percent at the end of 2008, up from 10.6 percent at the end of 2007. The default rate in Florida was 27.8 percent at the end of 2008, PMI reported.”
The Fresno Bee. “If Wes Tarvin and his wife, Muey, are any indication, a new $10,000 tax credit designed to spur new-home sales appears to be working. The credit, included in California’s new budget, helped persuade the couple to start looking for a house earlier than planned — and is why they opted to purchase a newly built home. ‘Something like this has to get people’s attention,’ said Wes Tarvin, who just signed loan documents for a Granville home in southeast Fresno. ‘Now is the time to buy.’”
“The $100 million is enough for 10,000 houses. No one knows how long that money will last, thus traffic and sales are up at subdivisions throughout the state as a result, said Tim Coyle, senior VP for government affairs of the California Building Industry Association. ‘There is definitely an urgency,’ added Tina De Rosa, community representative at The McCaffrey Group’s Madison Place neighborhood in northwest Fresno. ‘They are giving you money.’”
“Don Ernst and his wife, Yvonne, are buying a house from De Young Properties — and hoping it is finished before the $10,000 tax credit expires. ‘This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity,’ he said Saturday at a De Young subdivision in Fresno. ‘How long will interest rates and prices stay this low?’”
The Press Democrat. “Joe Smith was still in swim trunks when an HGTV film crew knocked on his Lakeland, Fla., door bearing balloons and news that he just won a Sonoma home worth more than $2 million. The Smiths, who have never been to California, will be flown to Sonoma on April 17 and presented with the keys to the three-bedroom, four-bath house.”
“The home faces busy Fifth Street East at the corner entrance to Armstrong Estates, a luxury subdivision of seven-figure mansions that developer Steve Ledson has been creating for some 20 years. If the Smiths can manage to financially swing the taxes and upkeep on the house, it will be a major upgrade. They now live in a 1,000-square-foot farm cottage, built in 1901. Property taxes alone on a home of similar value in that neighborhood would run more than $20,000 a year.”
“The Smiths said the likelihood of winning was so remote to them, they haven’t thought about whether they can afford to keep it. And if they can keep it, they don’t know if they will use it as a second home or pull up stakes and move to California. ‘We’re going to have to get financial advice,’ Joe Smith said. ‘I don’t know what the taxes are in California. But I understand they’re high. It might present a problem but I’d like to try and do it if at all possible. We’re going to come out and be neighbors.’”
“Ledson recently sold a similar house down the street for $2.35 million, dropping the price from $3 million after it had been on the market more than a year. He has said he’d be willing to buy the Dream Home back and ride out the downturned market if the Smiths can’t make a luxury second home pencil into their budget. All 13 previous winners wound up selling their Dream Homes.”
The Inland Daily Bulletin. “With Wall Street’s fallout, caution is Lauren Althaus’ game nowadays. The certified financial planner and senior financial consultant at the Ontario office of Thrivent Financial for Lutherans jokes about conversing with clients on their financial goals more in the last six months than he ever has his entire career.”
“While others predict the recession’s remedy is to get banks lending easy credit like they were five years ago, Althaus views things differently. Althaus: ‘We are transforming from a mass consumer economy to a much subdued version. We have too much supply and capacity for consumer services. How many shopping malls do we really need?’”
“‘The good news is we’re going to be giving up things we probably didn’t need in the first place, and we probably won’t even miss. Money was never able to buy happiness. For college grads and couples, develop respect for money. It’s a storehouse of your efforts. It shouldn’t be squandered. Some people don’t have respect for money, but it should represent your hours of work. It’s not given due reverence.’”
The Ventura County Star. “A new service that offers financial advice is a welcome addition for patients served by the free clinic, which serves the working poor and uninsured. At the Westminster Free Clinic in Thousand Oaks, patients discuss aches, pains and worries about foreclosure.”
“Lisa Safaeinili, the clinic’s executive director…said they are seeing more people who have been taken advantage of financially, who are losing their homes to foreclosure, or just don’t know who to trust because of all the scams out there. A lot of people are asking about foreclosures, with many worried about losing their homes after losing a job, said Carlos Delgado, a CLU graduate who has been overseeing the financial counseling table at the clinic.”
“He has met people like Mario Saavedra. He and his brother bought a house in Newbury Park about five years ago for nearly $600,000, with a 10 percent down payment. The interest rate on the mortgage has ratcheted up as the home value has plunged. They were making payments on time, but then Saavedra and his brother lost their jobs within a few months of each other. Now, the home payments have eaten through their savings and the bank is threatening foreclosure.”
“They talked about negotiating with the bank, though Saavedra said the bank hasn’t been willing to lower his interest rate. They also talked about the possibility of a short sale to avoid foreclosure and bankruptcy. Delgado said program volunteers would look into any assistance available with loan modification programs and share that with Saavedra. He also said they would provide Saavedra with information about the county’s job and career centers to help him with his job search.”
“‘They gave me good ideas,’ Saavedra said. ‘Right now, I’ve got a better idea of my situation.’”
“Beatriz Garcia, who lives in Simi Valley, has an option adjustable rate mortgage on her home. Garcia said she doesn’t feel she was told the truth about the loan when she received it and dealing with it has been frustrating.”
“She’s been current with her payments, but is starting to have trouble keeping up. At one point, the interest rate ballooned to 18 percent on the loan. She negotiated it back down to 5 percent, but that rate is also adjustable, so she could run into the same problem again, Delgado said. ‘It is really outrageous,’ he said.”
The Union Tribune. “Residential mortgage fraud soared to a record high in 2008, with incidents up 26 percent from the previous year, according to a report released Monday by the Mortgage Asset Research Institute. The institute reported that mortgage fraud is more prevalent today than it was during the height of the housing boom that occurred during the first half of the decade.”
“It blamed the financial pressures of the ongoing recession for prompting many borrowers, lenders, brokers to make false statements on loan applications during 2008. ‘As far as our calculations and research are concerned, this is an all-time high’ since the institute began keeping records in 1990, said Jennifer Butts, one of the report’s authors.”
“The top incident type nationally was application fraud, representing 61 percent of reported cases. It was the fifth year in a row that it topped the list. Next came frauds related to tax returns and financial statements, which increased from 17 percent of reported frauds in 2007 to 28 percent in 2008. In order of volume, other fraud types included appraisals or valuations, verifications of deposit, verifications of employment, escrow or closing costs and credit reports.”
“While home-loan standards have become tighter in recent months, in the years leading up to the mortgage market meltdown, underwriting was lax by historical standards. Most analysts tie these weak standards to the current surge in foreclosures and the sharp decline of home prices in formerly hot real estate markets like San Diego County.”
“John Courson, CEO of the bankers association, said loose underwriting didn’t make lenders responsible for the surge in fraud. Some people simply took the opportunity ‘to create fraud and take advantage of the system,’ he said.”
“Courson acknowledged that lenders were not as careful as they should have been about screening loan applications, however. ‘Clearly, some of the credit standards in the mortgage lending business and verification practices were not as robust as they should be,’ he said.”

‘Residential mortgage fraud soared to a record high in 2008, with incidents up 26 percent from the previous year, according to a report released Monday by the Mortgage Asset Research Institute.’
Get this; these guys asked me to listen in on this conference live yesterday. They played it down a bit, but fraud was much worse in 2008 than the year before.
Anyhoo, I’m working out of town this AM and I’ll reply to your T-shirt emails later today.
Perhaps, the reality is they are taking notice of the fraud now.
If you remember, BMIT (bubble markets inventory tracking) did a good job of pulling out all of the EPD defaults for a long long time.
BMIT found, as you have stated, that authorities ignore the fraud on the way up.
How can mortgage fraud be climbing so steeply when all the world now has a laser beam focused on conditions in the U.S. mortgage market? Something is wrong with this picture.
Maybe it is the cases they are finally exposing????
PB,
We’ve gotten misdirection from Mr. Courson in the past and without (1) iota of improvement on the regulatory front for MB’s ( why should we expect anything different any time soon? )
I think they’re just getting around to looking at complaints. I’ll bet the actual fraud has mostly already occured.
Have any fraud cases actually made it to the courts?
If so, have the verdicts been ‘guilty’ and what were
the sentences?
Ben,the fraud is everywhere…
A Brookfield real estate agent was found guilty Monday in federal court of seeking a bribe in connection with the proposed sale of a $30 million state office building.
Larry Lupton, 33, was found guilty on one count of bribery, one count of wire fraud and two counts of lying to the FBI by U.S. District Judge Lynn Adelman, who presided over his non-jury trial earlier this month
Silverstein testified that Lupton called him in April 2007 and said, “I don’t know if this is right, I guess it’s not, but I’m looking for some kind of kickback,” according to the verdict. Silverstein called state agents, who contacted the FBI.
Lupton denied he used the word kickback. (Oh Yeah !)
Silverstein then recorded his calls with Lupton, who said he wanted a quarter-point of the sale. “Yeah, I’m not trying to be greedy,” Lupton said on the recording. (Oh No!)
Lupton argued he was splitting a commission, a common practice in the real estate business. And he argued the bids were not sealed, therefore, he could discuss them (Really Judge!)
http://www.jsonline.com/news/waukesha/41314037.html
89% of the fraud during 2008 was related to lying on loan apps, tax returns and financial statements. Doesn’t leave much left over (11%) for appraisal fraud and all the other types. At least now the lenders are starting to take appraisal reviews more seriously.
Talking about mortgage fraud, an Indian friend showed me this link with advice supposedly from an attorney, “Homi Maratha”. This can’t be for real, can it? The “happy future story” that he discusses?
http://www.lawguru.com/cgi/bbs/message.php?i=817440276&view=a
“If you need a federal (FHA) or even a non-government conventional mortgage loan to buy a home… you need to be a permanent resident alien with a valid INS card.
If you purchased your social security card off a street vendor, you should not be able to get a mortgage…
In spite of all this… there doesn’t seem to be a really good way to check if the social security number is false or not. Well, there really is a good way, but some mortgage lenders just don’t seem to want to pick up the phone and call the Social Security Administration. Here, then, is a true future story….just for you.
You decide to use your false social security card and false INS Alien Registration Card to get a loan to buy a house. After all, you have lots of friends and relatives who’ve done the same and are happily living in their new home. You’ve been in the U.S. for over 6 years, paid your federal and state taxes, so you believe you’re owed the benefits of citizenship in this country. Sure enough, you get the loan and you buy your home. You and your family move in and everyone is happy.”
The hell???
“The California housing market remains in a dreadful condition, according to information in the regulatory filing. PMI said the default rate on mortgages it has insured was 24.7 percent at the end of 2008, up from 10.6 percent at the end of 2007. The default rate in Florida was 27.8 percent at the end of 2008, PMI reported.”
PMI underwriting grade: F
How many realtors does it take to underwrite a loan?
Oh how fast the three c’s went out the window.
Credit- run a credit check
Capacity- do they have a job
Collateral-Is the house worth what they are loaning
Am i missing something here?
Am i missing something here?
“Meat in the game.”
Sorry, but the median down payment was 5%. That’s not enough to avoid defaulting on an underwater home. Now that we’re up to 10%… there will be fewer defaults.
Back when 20% down payments were the norm, people didn’t walk away as they knew the pain/years it took to build up the down payment! Now, after cash out refinancing… There is no memory of saving up for the home.
I’m all for FHA up to $289k. Above that should require meat in the game. Why $289k? Old FHA limit based on incomes that really haven’t gone up since then.
California is toast. Coworkers who were super-excited to buy ASAP are now realizing how few have 20% down and they are going back into rental hybernation for another year.
Got Popcorn?
Neil
The problem right now is that FHA is doing a huge amount of 3.0% down deals in SoCal (I read somewhere that almost 40% of the SoCal transactions are FHA financed). So the “you have to have 20% down” is a bit of a myth for a substantial number of transactions.
Unless, and until FHA stops this nonsense, you will continue to see the increase in sales…at least at the low-end.
IMHO, the FHA (actually you and me as taxpayers) are gonna take a BIG bath on the late-2008 and 2009 deals when they blow up in the next few years.
“The problem right now is that FHA is doing a huge amount of 3.0% down deals in SoCal (I read somewhere that almost 40% of the SoCal transactions are FHA financed). So the “you have to have 20% down” is a bit of a myth for a substantial number of transactions.”
Yes, but now with the 3% down payment you have to document you have the income to carry 97% of the home purchase price plus interest. I still think that excludes a lot of buyers.
Very true Lisa, however, I spoke to a Wells Fargo loan agent where each loan has between 6 to 12 buyers for income qualification purposes.
This is no joke, and this is what FHA allows.
RE: PMI underwriting grade: F
I used to get enormous pressure to “up” values so people could get out of PMI.
Until federal licensing of appraiser’s began in 1992, which then provided a proverbial “yellow brick road into the profession” a person could pretty much act autonomously, and blow off these constant requests by real estate sales people and mortgage originators.
However, once the newbie licensed lemmings arrived, the lenders could shop around for a patsie, and soon the the game, “I’ll give you whatever number you damn want, so long as you send the rest of your biz all to me.
Pretty hard to underwrite PMI in this context.
“It depends on what line you happen to be standing in”
Yes, clearly now that the “Free Bl*w Job Line” has evaporated entirely! You know, all of the Lip Service we get from 6%’ers is purely driven by attrition.
Everything that leaves their lips serves (2) purposes, (1) to taunt buyers into taking the plunge but the second aspect is a loud and clear message for -other- realtors that there just aren’t enough commissions to go around like in the Good Old Days!
Get ready with your “uh oh” face, Emilio…
“While others predict the recession’s remedy is to get banks lending easy credit like they were five years ago,
ROTFLMAO
Yea… I’m sure the Russians, Chinese, Japanese, and others are waiting to buy the toxic MBS again. *NOT*
Credit has at least 18 months more to tighten for the consumer. People do not realize that once the risk models are broken, they stay broken. They were shattered. This wasn’t a bent model…
“The top incident type nationally was application fraud, representing 61 percent of reported cases. It was the fifth year in a row that it topped the list. Next came frauds related to tax returns and financial statements, which increased from 17 percent of reported frauds in 2007 to 28 percent in 2008. In order of volume, other fraud types included appraisals or valuations, verifications of deposit, verifications of employment, escrow or closing costs and credit reports.”
“While home-loan standards have become tighter in recent months, in the years leading up to the mortgage market meltdown, underwriting was lax by historical standards. Most analysts tie these weak standards to the current surge in foreclosures and the sharp decline of home prices in formerly hot real estate markets like San Diego County.”
It was the weak standards that were the issues. Great finds Ben.
Got Popcorn?
Neil
“”While others predict the recession’s remedy is to get banks lending easy credit like they were five years ago”"
I laugh at this too and think it can never happen again but then I think about moral hazard. The past year has taught us there are virtually no consequences for bad behavior, in fact, it seems to get rewarded. So yeah all this could happen again. Maybe when it does next time, we’ll finally learn our lesson.
I do believe it was a mania.. people were out of their minds. They lost their good sense. They had no perspective..
Lenders, borrowers, investors, media, et al truely BELIEVED real estate would appreciate for decades to come. All parties involved felt risk was virtually non-existant and rewards high.
And they believed rising RE prices would be the force that lifted the entire economy, and that incomes would rise to meet RE prices.
It bordered on a religious experience. Faith comes from the core of a person’s being and if it’s shattered it doesn’t teach any lessons, other than to not have faith..
Unfortunately, we have no choice when it comes to having faith.
I’m too lazy to look it up, but there’s a Quote that says… “We do not choose what to believe in. It chooses us.”
There WERE no risk models made for this Neil.
Unless you count that diagram some financial quant drew up on his hookers bar napkin and gave to his drunk boss
Asset backed security sales in 2008 were at least $1.3 trillion.
It’s not over, til it’s over.
Althaus: “We are transforming from a mass consumer economy to a much subdued version. We have too much supply and capacity for consumer services. How many shopping malls do we really need?”
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My God, finally somebody in the wealth management industry who is able to dispense more than a sales pitch based on pop finance platitudes. And we thought rhinos were endangered.
“If the Smiths can manage to financially swing the taxes and upkeep on the house, it will be a major upgrade”
( Please see post above for financial advice )
So here it is! -Another- HGTV Multi-Million Dollar Default in the making! Here’s to YOU Mr. & Mrs. Financial Hero!
what a stupid contest! They’ll owe income taxes on the “value” of the house, so they might as well sell right now. Or refuse it.
True Story from the Arizona Slim File: A few years ago, I was volunteering on a Habitat for Humanity project near here. One of the houses was sponsored by Thrivent Financial for Lutherans, and, oh, did they turn out the volunteers.
The volunteers came from Tucson area Lutheran churches, and what a bunch of worker-bees they were. Great people to hang out with too.
So, I’m not surprised to read such good financial advice from someone associated with Thrivent.
There will be a Bay Area meetup on Friday, April 3rd, sometime after work, somewhere in Newark (right off the 84 on the east side of the bay).
I’m thinking El Burro.
Please RSVP if you think you can go. BigVHBB at gmail dot kom.
Hey Pearsey,
How come your owner is having you do all the hard work? Go give her a nip
No kidding, ducks have rights too!
I would question who owns whom in that situation.
Let her go to the bar and order her own nip.
““Sandoval, who signed a fixed, interest-only loan at 6.75 percent, had been meeting her $1,871…”
She’s been paying $1,817 “rent” for a house that’s big enough for her husband and 5 kids? I fail to see how she’s lost anything, even if she has to move to a cheaper place.
Yeah, and why people all diss’n on “macaroni”?
Hell, I LOVE all kinds of pasta and if it weren’t for my… “weight problem” I’d eat it 6 nights a week!
ha ha DinOR, I love mac and cheese more than kids do too. I don’t have a wife and therefore I don’t have a “weight problem” or a the dreaded “salads problem”
mikey,
I suppose for many asians, rice is their “staple”. And… as such you can pretty much make it taste like whatever you’re in the mood for?
I enjoy good food and drink(s) and just about anything that doesn’t eat me first.
My sister and brother didn’t call me mikey for nothing
Put enough melted cheese on it, and dog turds would taste good.
I love my mom’s homemade mac and cheese. MMMMMM GOOD!
Why do I buy 6 0r 8 packages of corned beef (point cut) at 97 cents a pound or less ever year before St. Patrick’s Day?
Because it’s fookin delicious, and cabbage and potatoes are almost free at this time of the season. Can freeze easily. Too much sodium, but only once a year!
“Theresa Sandoval sets statues of Jesus that relatives send from Mexico under a lit shrine to Our Lady of Guadalupe in an alcove of her home in La Morada on a regular basis. The mother of five, who paid $385,000 for her home in October 2006, signed a mortgage she says she didn’t completely understand that left her with higher-than-expected monthly payments and an uncertain future.”
Here’s another “no comprendo”. I’d be curious what the husband does. How does a resort server with five children, unless the husband makes a lot of money, which I’ll bet he doesn’t, afford a home for $385,000 in the first place? Five children. Do you think they get payments for the kids from the gobmin? Betcha. ROTFL. And setting out those Jeebus statues is a nice touch. How’s that working out for the Blood and Sand crowd? Gives me the freakin’ willies.
I apologize to all those who find my above post offensive. I’m in a black mood today, on account of I gave my CONgresscritter a mondo chewing out over AIG. I’m just so sick of people gaming the system and crying crocodile tears when it doesn’t go their way. But I do think people should be free to practice their religion as they see fit, as long as they’re not hurting anyone else and not being hypocrites about it. I may not agree with it, but I’ll defend their right to worship.
I hope it works out somehow for this lady and her family. The kids shouldn’t have to suffer.
No offense taken by me.
I understand the frustration your feeling and it always makes one feel better to let off steam. So you rant away, us long time HBBer’s know its just a rant!
No offense taken here either. The story is just nuts what are we to take from this report that someone who should not have gotten a 300k+ mortgage now can’t afford it? Gee this women was a food server, wow a food server is a waitresses ie: minimum wages plus tips. I need to be the editor for these reporters. I’d fire anyone that wrote this stupid “A” stories. Tell the truth, home buyers who purchased homes they can’t pay for are just renters period. Move on to some other subject that is news worthy.
I for one, don’t like the freeloaders either. Anchor babies are like winning the lottery. Maybe not quite as lucrative, but a nice steady income stream, nevertheless. No need for an apology, we all know reality. Besides, you’re a swell guy.
I keep wondering how removing anchor babies would affect illegals.
I wonder if Arnold could ignore the PC crowd and send a convoy of buses headed south, filled with people who have lost their way and ended here illegally. Of course, Mexico would greet that stream of returnees with the same enthusiasm that Mexican trucks get north of the “border.”
Si se puede!
On the plus side, some California counties are considering cutting primary care to illegals versus cutting other medical care. They can’t deny emergency care, but they can cut primary care and some are finally on the verge of doing so. It’s about fcuking time. There are tens of millions of American citizens that have no medical coverage. If illegals need medical care, let them go back to their home countries and take all their anchor children with them.
Do you really think that when they cut the illegals, they turn around and provide that care to the uninsured citizens? I’m tired of the illegals being blamed for every problem. Reality is most of the financial crisis, and a huge gob of corruption was caused by white men. I’m not saying the having 20 million illegals in the country doesn’t present challenges, but I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for them all to be deported. Someone needs to figure out what to do with them now that they’re here. The housing bubble, bank collapses, and rampant greed and corruption are the true culprits right now and have nothing to do with the illegals.
“Do you really think that when they cut the illegals, they turn around and provide that care to the uninsured citizens?”
The proposals were to cut primary care for illegals so they wouldn’t have to close additional medical facilities. So in effect, more citizens will be getting medical care than if they were to continue providing medical services to illegals.
“The housing bubble, bank collapses, and rampant greed and corruption are the true culprits right now and have nothing to do with the illegals.”
Those are all major problems, enough to collapse the global economy. Those who created this mess and benefited financially should be in prison. However, the drain on the California budget from illegals and their offspring has gone on for decades. Big business and the wealthy (nannies, gardeners, etc.) benefit the most. Let them pick up the tab.
if she’s six months late on her payment, she’s been living house payment free for six months. Would be interesting to find out how much down she put, if any.
“April, after the berry season gets under way, will be the tell-tale month, said Emilio Martinez, Watsonville city councilman. ‘Then we’ll be able to say either, It isn’t as bad as we thought,’ or we’ll say, Uh-oh.’”
Bugs: “eh, I cans beeerrrrrly wait to see how this harvest turns out!”
“Uh-oh”… isn’t that a title of a book by one of my favorite writers?
are they waiting for berry season, so that they can sell some more $600,000 homes to the berry pickers?
LOL! I believe those homes were going for 700K in Watsonville to the strawberry picking families.
It’ll be boom times if Publix expands into Watsonville. Then they can start unloading $1.3M houses in gated communities to the Publix checkers.
If the Smiths can manage to financially swing the taxes and upkeep on the house, it will be a major upgrade.
Yes, well, ‘if’ I can catch some leprechauns and chain them to my wheelbarrow I can ride around Olympia in style, waving and singing like a pretty princess.
That little ‘if’ word can just be so annoyingly difficult…
Wiggles ears at Olygal and in no uncertain terms informs her THAT she’s dealing with members in good standing of “HBB Little People’s Union Local # 2 1/4″ and we are not to be triffled with :(!
Pulling wheelbarrows and weird princesses with CHAINS are not in our Union Contract or job discriptions.
..although some of us have been known to engage in strange Off-The-Job activities and fantacies
Pulling wheelbarrows and weird princesses with CHAINS are not in our Union Contract or job discriptions.
But you might enjoy it, Mr. Leprechaun Union rep. After all, Bigfoot does. Although he usually gets to runnin’ too fast and this joggles me up and down and I have to cling to the sides and scream wildly until I get car-sick, or wheelbarrow-sick, and puke out the back.
That’s why I’m thinking of switching to Leprechauns.
Have you got…plenty of fresh clams and beer strange Lady ?
Matter of fact, yes. Yesterday I told you all I was tired of thinking and wanted to drink beer, eat clams and gossip, and so when I got home I went up the road and dug up some clams with my own little paws. I found a good spot where they were all clustered, and it rained coldly on my back and soaked my hair, and my shoes were full of sand and saltwater, and my hands got abraded from ruffling around in the barnacley rocks and sand, oh, it was lovely. There is nothing funner than plucking out of the sand a fat blue and grey weighty little clam that you intend to eat, except for actually eating it.
It could have ended poorly, because after I let them sit in saltwater for a few hours I steamed them open and they were so good I started eating them, standing by the stove, as soon as they popped open, and I just ate and ate and ate, slurping them up like some sort of clam-gobbling primitive savage and flinging the shells into the sink, and I didn’t stop until I noticed I was going to throw up if I ate even ONE MORE. So I only ate half of one more, and all was well.
Mostly well–I did feel kinda sick and had to recline myself flat on the couch, fussing and grumbling for a bit.
But I’m okay today, and now all ready for some beer and gossip. Thanks for asking.
Okay, Oly, gotcha covered on the beer: Here’s a Nimbus Old Monkeyshine from Tucson. And what’s up on the gossip front?
Been there, done that but my Scotch-Irish Mom always taught me to to always wear my yellow ducky rainsuit and little rubber boots. I liked mussels too.
Beer not included(with her in lessons)
Olygal,
What about the geoducks? I used to go digging for them with my ex husband when I lived in Bremerton.
Okay, Oly, gotcha covered on the beer: Here’s a Nimbus Old Monkeyshine from Tucson. And what’s up on the gossip front?
‘Nimbus Old Monkeyshine’?! Awesome!
*virtually glugs it *
What a delicious virtual beer, AZ, and thank you. As for gossip,
*lowers voice confidentially and assumes look of outraged propriety *
Wellll! Lisa is a slut! Did you know? I did! I mean, look at her shoes…you can tell! Slutty!
Hahahaahhah!
Olygal,
What about the geoducks? I used to go digging for them with my ex husband when I lived in Bremerton.
Hoooooooo, boy. Geoducks are much on my mind lately. Where to begin? Where, oh, wherrrrrrrre…
As it happens, I live near Totten inlet, and that’s where I dug up clams yesterday, and it is also the site of a newly festering battle between aquaculture interests and DNR, the issue is trespass on state tide lands, accidental or not, and what is to be done about it, but really it’s just one example of an issue that is really heating up public interest around here in the Puget Sound. The problem is the beaches; geoduck implantation and harvesting just absolutely fooks up the beach. The question is, how LONG does it fook up the beach, and how much? Oysters just flop there in their little bags, doing their ‘I’m just an ugly rock’ oyster thing. Clams can be dug out by chilly grouchy chicks with their garden trowel and their hands, but geoducks live deep and require invasive techniques to culture.
I even got loaned out last month for a few days to massage around some water quality documents to make them sound smart. Which is why I didn’t want to think anymore, only wanted to eat clams and drink beer and gossip. And now look, you got me all worked up again!
Thanks a LOT, SFgal! Now I need more clams and beer!
PS. If you used to dig up wild geoducks you must dig fast. Those fookers can go. Maybe YOU was just poaching, huh? *wink wink *
No poaching. At least I don’t think so. I was doing this in the late 70s.
“…..geoduck implantation and harvesting just absolutely fooks up the beach. The question is, how LONG does it fook up the beach…..”
Whale oil, beef hooked….sounds like you might have spent some time in NewFoundland Olympiagal!
“All 13 previous winners wound up selling their Dream Homes.”
So much for the existence of leprechauns.
“All 13 previous winners wound up selling their Dream Homes.”
I don’t know if that is technically true. Didn’t the one in Texas enter foreclosure? Maybe it sold as a short sale… I haven’t followed it closely.
How come the theme from “The Beverly Hillbillies” kept running in my head when I read this piece?
Jeb, Olygal’s diggin’ out clams outta the ceement pond agin’. An’ if I see bigfoot snoopin’ round, I’m
gonna shoot his hynie full a lead with grannie’s double barrel 12 guage.
All 13 previous winners wound up selling their Dream Homes.
You think maybe property taxes in California are too high?
DennisN,
And still the madness continues!? At what point do these outrageously expensive promotions no longer pencil out? Even the home in TX was sold. Claiming there’s a “winner” is part of the farce as well.
If these homes are so ridiculously expensive to maintain how can this possibly portray the industry in a positive light?
After paying all the impending the Good Time Charlie BILLS for the High Life, I definitely think the quality of life in CA and Fl will amount to… badly burnt toast
That story got some big airplay here in the Tampa area. Moving from Lakeland to Sonoma would be an upgrade for these folks, but if they sold the place, they could really live large here in FL. I mean, they’re probably paying about 1,200 in taxes on the Lakeland place.
I used to kinda like the Lakeland area, guess that I would hate to see the area now Palmy.
Lakeland’s had a rough go of it, Mikey. You can see the development sprawl from 1-4 between Tampa and Orlando (Orlampa). It is truly mind-boggling. And since the topography has changed due to development, you have flooding happening in places that didn’t used to have it, and lakebeds drying up in other areas. Go figure. I feel bad for the people who thought they were living in “established” neighborhoods, all of a sudden finding water lapping at their steps.
I hate hurricanes, but Florida might need one or two in some areas to knock some sense into people.
Palmy, didn’t you mention that you were moving to new digs ?
Yep, but not in Lakeland. Hanging on in the Tampa area.
I’ll say one thing, I am soooo glad I’m a renter and I would NEVER purchase a condo in Florida. Not after what I’ve been witness to. Sheesh. It’s a relief to be able to pick up and move on to a nice, quiet place with some privacy. Some of these condo complexes are nothing more than tenements on the water or golf course or whatever. LOL.
I just hate packing and unpacking, though. Moving is a real pain in the arse. I’ve done it twice since I found this blog back in ‘05 and I’m going for a third. I expect there’ll be one more after that. Then I hope to stay put.
Any move is a hassle, just have good help and take it slow Palmy. Good luck
Tenements. By golly you said it. When I was growing up the only place I ever saw like that in my life was in Cambridge, MA. It looked like Soviet housing, if Soviet housing were in the ghetto. In time, I came to think of it as an aberration. Ah, but no. And the shocking thing, those Cambridge hovels were well-built and in a good neighborhood compared to some of the condo projects here.
Cincinnati WKRP? -
How do they determine the income tax due for a house lottery? Do they use a county assessment value? The wishing price of the developer? Hire an assessor? Take the winner’s word for it?
Did HGTV actually purchase it from the developer? That would be a real purchase price.
I’ll bet HGTV got it for a bargain price and doesn’t really want to disclose what they paid for it.
HGTV builds the dream houses.
bink,
Oh… well, that IS interesting! And I think much the reason the -previous- 13 were unable to retain the residence?! It’s all just a big photo op/dog n’ pony show anyway.
Those are homes designed to be photographed ( not lived in! ) Oh and the family from Atlanta that tapped out the equity to start a “business” ( wait… wait… ) flipping houses, oh and btw, lost it all! We really need to put an end to this once and for all.
I tried to locate the house on Zillow, but their data is old. The overhead only shows two vacant lots at the corner of 5th St. East and Patten St. in Sonoma 95476. This would correspond to the story’s description that “the home faces busy Fifth Street East at the corner entrance to Armstrong Estates.”
HGTV issues a 1099 for the value of the Dream Home. The value of the total prize package this year was about 2 million 2 hundred something. The taxes for the prize are about $800,000.
So it’s up to the developer to determine its value? Talk about a trojan horse. Eek.
1.25% x $2 mill = ouch!!
The real problem is not the property tax but instead the income tax. California will take 9% of the “value” and the Feds will take even more. Even if you put the house up for sale the next day you will be nailed for penalties and interest on a huge amount if you fail to file quarterly.
I heard years ago that on game shows you could opt to take cash value of a prize but you got wholesale only. Yet you got taxed on retail.
Let’s say the house is worth $2million. Then expect something like 33% combined CA/Fed income taxes, or about $700K. You would have to file $175,000 each quarter to avoid penalties and interest. You think this Florida couple has that kind of cash laying around?
If it’s really worth 2M you could HELOC out the 700K without much problem. However, the issue then becomes, can these people afford a 700K MTG. I would venture a guess that the answer is almost certainly, NO.
The only person who had a problem with the taxes on the Dream Home was the dope who won it in 05. He decided that he wasn’t going to sell it and was going to live in it.
Assuming a value of $2 million dollars and federal tax rate of 39% and state of 9.3%: Federal taxes $780,000 + State taxes $186,000 = Tax liability of $966,000. Of course, if he stays in Florida, they have no state income taxes. Big incentive to stay the heck out of CA.
CA property tax is only 1% of the value of the house. The problem is that the “value” is inflated.
Yup.
God help them in FL. A 2M dollar home would have ~40K/yr in RE taxes, and another 20K or so in insurance. Even without the income tax problem, you’d still need ~180K in income to support the home (fully paid off). So, about 2% of the population could potentially swing that kind of home.
Kind of scary to think about it that way, even if someone gave you a 2M dollar home, you’d still need 10% the value of the home as income to afford it. The sad thing is, during the boom, they would have sold you that 2M dollar home, with a 2M dollar MTG on 200K/yr (10X income). That’s mindboggling.
Michael,
My millage is .024
A 2M house in Miami will cost $48K a year in taxes.
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Of course, that’s not a problem.
But this is: most houses around me are appraised for 300-400K+ and taxes run into 8-12K (after claiming homestead etc)
These are 3/2s 1600sq 1947 homes.
Now that’s a problem.
No, just 1%. The trick is not to own a one million dollar house, unless you’re a salaried in the 36% income tax bracket and need a writeoff.
“You think maybe property taxes in California are too high?”
Not at all, why don’t you check out what the property taxes will run you on a million dollar home in Texas.
I wonder if anyone has mentioned to this guy about the tax implications of his “windfall”. Assuming a value of $2 million dollars and federal tax rate of 39% and state of 9.3%: Federal taxes $780,000 + State taxes $186,000 = Tax liability of $966,000. Of course, if he stays in Florida, they have no state income taxes. Big incentive to stay the heck out of CA.
Oh, I forgot to say ‘Happy St. Patricks Day’, everyone! I had Lucky Charms for breakfast, and later tonight I may watch ‘Darby O’Gill and the Little People’. That one has Sean Connery in it, and he’s in a porkpie hat and singing. *shudder *
If I do inflict it upon myself, it’s ’cause of tradition. My mom watches that every St. Patricks Day. She loves it. But that’s probably because she can’t watch real movies, with like, you know, grown-ups in them, and no pork-pie hats, because she’s Mormon and ‘R’ ratings are right out, iff’n you want to go to the Celestial Kingdom. As for me, it’s kinda a toss-up between wondering if going to the Celestial Kingdom is worth watching ‘Darby O’Gill and the Little People’, and if the Terrestrial Kingdom or perhaps even Outer Darkness might not be a preferable outcome, if that’s what it takes, but then I thought, ‘Maybe I’ll just watch it really sooper drunk, and then it won’t bother me’. A difficult choice.
Maybe I’ll even invite some leprechauns over to watch it, although those lil’ guys can really tear up a house when they get soused and the DT’s make an appearance. Although when they pass out I can pick ‘em up and shake the gold coins outter them.
Hey, it’s another one of those ‘difficult choice’ thingies.
I’m just gonna listen to the Dropkick Murphys and head to the local pub to look for a nice redhead to talk to. Boston is close to Ireland, right?
Isn’t Boston Ireland II?
don’t be forgetting your Pogues and Flogging Molly.
Me? I’m going to be answering phones down at the community radio station. It’s fundraising season, and they’re looking for the green.
Rent the movie The Commitments. Good movie about an Irish rock band. Colm Meany aka Chief O’Brien from STNG and DS9 is in the movie.
“…and if the Terrestrial Kingdom or perhaps even Outer Darkness might not be a preferable outcome…”
Well, heck, all my friends are gonna be there!
Well, heck, all my friends are gonna be there!
Shoots, Kim, what a surprise…
*rolls eyes semi-sarcastically and pats at the air in a fashion that somehow indicates complete familiarity with and acceptance of this pre-ordained outcome.*
Serious, though, I’m sure I speak for everyone when I say that we all still like you, even though you’s bad, and consort with wicked people and everything.
And I, for one, will bring you home-baked muffins when you’re in Outer Darkness.
Ummm, Olympiagal - I think most of us on this blog are going to be with Kim, not your mom. Does this mean we can’t be your friends? (Stop crying bink.) Or just that you will be baking a whole lot more muffins?
If I’m in serious trouble here, I want steak, eggs, JD and a blindfold..not a muffin Olygal
Whoa..This ISN’T the HBB “Outer Darkness” blog?!?
Backs out slowly and returns to the Black Void world of RE, MTG and AIG Frauds.
“…because she’s Mormon and ‘R’ ratings are right out, iff’n you want to go to the Celestial Kingdom.”
Me wife’s in trouble, then, and not just because she is married to a nonmember…
I counted at least seven bad decisions in this single paragraph from the first article!
The mother of five, who paid $385,000 for her home in October 2006, signed a mortgage she says she didn’t completely understand that left her with higher-than-expected monthly payments and an uncertain future.
.. an uncertain future.
…as their supper — macaroni — bubbled on the stove.”
well, it don’t take a genius to map out their future..
One certainty is them kids will be eating lots more macaroni and cheese.. something my mom never fed us no matter how bad things got.
One certainty is them kids will be eating lots more macaroni and cheese.. something my mom never fed us no matter how bad things got.
Hmmmm.
Then I think you and me have got different standards about what ‘how bad things can get’ actually means.
Perhaps. If so, I imagine it’s rooted in a cultural difference.. and vive la différence..
1. Trying to outdo Octomom
2. Overpaid for home
3. Bought at the absolute worst time
4. Dumb as a rock
5. Hasn’t a clue
(Did I get em all?)
Seven? Rats, I thought you said five.
I’m thinking…………………..
I was counting each spawn separately
Career with a future?
If Wes Tarvin and his wife, Muey, are any indication, then a sucker is born every minute.
Happy St. Patrick’s day.
You too V
“The Smiths, who have never been to California, will be flown to Sonoma on April 17 and presented with the keys to the three-bedroom, four-bath house.”
I went looking for a house and then I found a house. And Heaven knows I’m miserable now.
Sorry, Morrissey and Marr, we all know you’d never be as stupid as THESE Smiths.
I’ve lived in California all my life and probably always will. That said, only a fool would move here now.
Heaven knows I’m miserable now
Classic! Will they end up at the YWCA pleading, “I like it here, can I stay?”
OT
UPDATE 1-IRS to allow Ponzi victims to claim theft losses
WASHINGTON, March 17 (Reuters) - The Internal Revenue Service issued new rules on Tuesday that would allow victims of Ponzi schemes like the one run by Bernard Madoff …
Under the new rules, victims would be able to take a deduction of as much as 95 percent of the amount they invested, plus investment income they thought they had earned, subtracted from any money given back to them by the government’s insurance program, the Securities Investor Protection Corporation.
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If you are rich, you suffer no consequences.
“UPDATE 1-IRS to allow Ponzi victims to claim theft losses”
Why are we bailing out stupid rich people?
wha–? they get to deduct the investment income?!?
isn’t that known as profiting off of crime?
WTF???
That is INSANE.
Deducting theft losses is standard—but it is limited to the amount of ACTUAL losses. In other words, you can deduct your basis (what you actually put into the ponzi-scheme), not the loss of you imagined-gains.
This takes bailouts to a new low, IMHO.
If Madoff wasn’t sending them account statements, then what proof do they have of what their investments were “worth” and when they were “worth” that?
What’s to stop them from making up claims: “Bernie told me I had $4 MM over the phone one day”
Question for Palmy? We just spent the last 4 months here on Anna Maria Island and just love the Florida weather. We’re thinking about renting again next fall thru spring and wondered if you could suggest a less expensive area for us. Any info would be appreciated?
Good luck with your move.
San Fernandino Beach? Islamadora? Cedar Key?
Yeah, I know I’m not Palmy. Actually, I’m playing with you. Who in their right mind would stay in Cedar Key? (And it’s Islamorada, but who’s counting.)
For all you brilliant riffers at the HBB: Peter Schiff gave a superb speech over the weekend at the “Austrian Scholars Conference”. There’s a link to the video on the “CampaignForLiberty” website home page.
He compares the U.S. economy to Bernie Madoff, and suggests we should make him Treasury Secretary for his experience running ponzi schemes! Then he does a brilliant bit about how we’re never going to pay back China, and we’ll take the same approach w/them as people who can’t pay their mortgages:
“You guys are predatory lenders! We need modifications, we need cramdowns. You should never have lent us this money, you know we can’t pay it back!”
It’s unrehearsed, and an hour and fifteen minutes long, and you’ll want to watch it twice in a row.
“Don Ernst and his wife, Yvonne, are buying a house from De Young Properties — and hoping it is finished before the $10,000 tax credit expires. ‘This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity,’ he said Saturday at a De Young subdivision in Fresno. ‘How long will interest rates and prices stay this low?’”
Not long!!! They will both continue going lower by tomorrow.