March 22, 2009

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Comment by wmbz
2009-03-22 04:26:53

Obama will call for increased oversight of executive pay at all banks, Wall Street firms and possibly other companies as part of sweeping plan to ‘overhaul financial regulation’, NY TIMES reporting Sunday, newsroom sources tell DRUDGE… Developing…

IF this tip via Matt Drudge is true, hold onto your hats! It would be a frightening overreaction to the financial crisis. The nation is already flirting with fascism. This would tip it into that form of government, absolutely.

Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-03-22 04:43:29

IMO, maybe these jerks brought a little “overreaction” on themselves. Especially since the damage to the economy is still a work in progress.

I, for one, wouldn’t mind seeing a few “requests for extradition” for these guys from China, Middle East countries, and Russia.

Comment by palmetto
2009-03-22 05:13:16

“I, for one, wouldn’t mind seeing a few “requests for extradition” for these guys from China, Middle East countries, and Russia.”

Boo-YAH, X-GS, yer singin’ my song! Da Boyz have been cheering for “globalization” and I say, we should give ‘em a taste of their own medicine, so they can learn what globalization is really all about. Watch ‘em all of a sudden scream about the “sovereignty” of the US and their “Constitutional” rights.

Comment by Big V
2009-03-22 12:21:41

Yup. Remember Intel offering to let it’s laid-off employees apply for jobs in India and Russia, being subject to the laws of said countries?

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Comment by Manny
2009-03-22 15:26:56

I ask this set of questions every time I hear some rant about globalization:

Do you now or have you ever in the past driven a foreign car? Do you like have having that option, or do you want your options to be Junk from GM, Junk from Ford or Junk from Chrysler?

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Comment by measton
2009-03-22 18:54:26

I ask this set of questions every time I hear some rant about globalization:

Do you now or have you ever in the past driven a foreign car? Do you like have having that option, or do you want your options to be Junk from GM, Junk from Ford or Junk from Chrysler?

You din’t make an arguement for globilization you made an arguement that the gov should prevent oligopolies from forming. Instead of the big 3 we should have had the big 10.

Globilization with a level playing field ie workers rights, minimum wage, environmental rules, gov subsidies ect.

 
Comment by Jon
2009-03-23 08:59:25

+1 Exactly.

Folks always assume the either/or, not realizing both are idiotic and the true solution not even out of the box.

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-03-24 09:42:33

I ask this set of questions every time I hear some rant in favor of globalization:

- Do you like having enough to eat every day?

- Do you like living in a house, apartment, or some other shelter larger than a 1 room dung-hut?

- Do you like having benefits at your job?

- Do you enjoy having healthcare, breathable air, drinkable water, etc?

If you answered “yes” to any of these questions, then realize that this means it costs companies more to pay you than it would cost them to pay some starving near-slave in an armpit nation to do your job. So, the companies will naturally outsource your job to poverty stricken nations until your living standards fall to an equally horrible level. That is what globalization is really about - reducing everyone (but the rich!) to the lowest levels.

 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-03-22 08:50:19

There are local banks who had nothing to do with bad loans and never took any bailouts. There is no reason for the totalitarian US government to take over control of those banks because of a few bad apples. This is getting very fugly.

Comment by yogurt
2009-03-22 09:19:21

If a firm expects to receive any assistance or guarantees from government it becomes a ward of the government and gives the government the right to dictate any aspect of its operations.

They can’t have it both ways.

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Comment by mikey
2009-03-22 10:16:11

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[from http://lyrics.doheth.co.uk

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Comment by L. Opine
2009-03-22 09:54:07

I find it interesting you folks call Obama a socialist and a fascist interchangeably, and then after decrying his “fascism” and “overreacting” you call for massive deportation of mostly non-white immigrants. I’d be laughing if you weren’t so dang scary.

Comment by Chip
2009-03-22 12:34:09

I don’t call him names or give him political titles. Fascism is a form of socialism - it just happens to be nationalist socialism as opposed to international socialism, which is communism. The essence of socialism is increased government control over people and resources - authoritarian government. Sadly, there is no shortage of those who want to be the masters of others.

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Comment by holytrainwreck
2009-03-22 14:48:18

Classical fascism, according to Mussolini, is CORPORATISM, nothing more, nothing less.

Communism, has in it’s root word, “community”, where “we the people” has its origin. Libraries are a good example of classic communism. That is, we the people own it.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-03-22 15:18:22

Thank you holytrainwreck.

Some folks can’t seem to understand that we have fascism NOW. That corporations run this country. That too much deregulation got us into this mess.

There’s a word for not having and abiding by rules: anarchy.

Enjoying it so far?

 
Comment by bluprint
2009-03-22 15:32:18

Rules create corporations, they don’t exist naturally.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-03-22 16:22:31

…and theft, perjury, and crooked accounting are still crimes that by definition, break rules.

 
 
Comment by bananarepublic
2009-03-22 14:02:38

I hear ya! Being a Republican is a disease.

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Comment by Bob in Vegas
2009-03-22 17:36:05

I come from a Republican family. Fortunately for me, but unfortunately for the country, 8 years of GWBush cured me of any lingering Republican tendencies.

 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-03-22 05:14:30

Obama to Limit Pay for Wall Street, NFL, NBA, MLB
by Scott Ott

(2009-03-22) — With the debate over AIG executive bonuses nearly bringing official Washington to a standstill in the past three weeks, the Obama administration today expanded its plan to control Wall Street executive pay, adding provisions to limit compensation for star performers in the National Football League (NFL), National Basketball Association (NBA) and Major League Baseball (MLB).

“Some of these sports stars, like AIG execs, have negotiated sweetheart deals paying them millions of dollars, and yet they lose games,” said White House spokesman Robert Gibbs. “The president shares the outrage of the American people at these obscene salaries and bonuses. There’s nothing that makes the little people feel littler than the thought of these fat cats getting fatter just because that have specialized skills that are in high demand in a free-market economy.”

Indeed, the White House released a recent poll showing that 75 percent of Americans answered ‘Yes’ to the following question: “Do you believe President Obama should personally limit the compensation of anyone who earns a lot more than you do?”

“How hard can it be to show up on Sunday and toss a few passes?” said Mr. Gibbs. “The fact that some people earn a lot more money than others just demonstrates the savage inequalities inherent in a capitalist system, and explains why the president has taken deliberate action to end it.”

Under the terms of the pay-limit plan, the president would appoint a panel of university economists, union leaders, and “ordinary American community organizers” to establish paycheck parity between average hourly-wage workers and the people “who have carved out for themselves an unequal portion of the pie.”

“In America you can dream as big as you want, but everyone agrees we need strict controls on those whose dreams have come true,” Mr. Gibbs said. “The people deserve a system in which there are no limits to your potential, only to your achievements.”

The proposal would exempt most Hollywood stars and popular recording artists, he said, “since much of their money is already returned to the people in the form of contributions to the Democrat party and its candidates.”

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-03-22 08:52:05

This is getting to the tipping point. Revolution in favor of freedom to achieve the american dream. Revolution for free markets. Tea Party!

Comment by Itsabouttime
2009-03-22 09:37:36

I think we must be in the Great Depression, new world order style. If my knowledge of history is accurate, FDR tried to limit pay, and was prevented from doing so by CONgress.

I am confident that people will break into two categories on this issue: 1)Those who claim any limit is wrong, and 2)Those who ask, “How many yachts can you ski behind?”. Count me in the latter. Pundits will suggest any limit means disaster, but, in fact, the issue is never that black and white. The question is always “how much inequality is enough to spur innovation and development?”.

The Soviets taught us that one can have too much equality. The Americans have taught the world that one can also have too much inequality. Thus, every other leading economy (e.g., Germany, Japan, Scandinavia) has found some reasonable place in the middle, and benefit by having a society with more innovation, more social cohesion (e.g., less violent crime), longer life, and higher life quality. Those nations have their problems, and thus certainly aren’t paradises, but they’re a lot closer to paradise than we are with our Wild Wild West economy.

IAT

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Comment by L. Opine
2009-03-22 09:59:01

Nice to see someone sensible around here, IAT.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-03-22 10:14:07

Since we seem unwilling to limit high end incomes, we need much higher taxes on those very highest incomes and greater unionization to bring up wages at the low end. We must begin addressing the glaring wage inequalities. There is no floor under housing without higher incomes for the masses.

 
Comment by Reuven
2009-03-22 12:08:49

I’m not sure what you’re getting at, SDGreg. Few folks here want a floor under housing. I want prices to drop to what people can afford on current median wages.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-03-22 12:26:07

“Few folks here want a floor under housing. I want prices to drop to what people can afford on current median wages.”

I don’t want an artificially high floor under housing prices - not at all. Housing prices will eventually stabilize in line with incomes, if not undershoot for a period of time on the downside. If incomes are lower, so will the level at which housing prices stabilize. Those who want higher housing prices can’t have them without higher incomes.

 
Comment by Itsabouttime
2009-03-22 12:30:45

SDGreg and Reuven have the same goal, but different (possible) routes. House prices must be in relation to incomes (or wide, politically destabilizing gyrations will occur). To get to stable house prices incomes can rise, house prices can fall, or both may occur in some combination. SDGreg is suggesting we raise wages. Reuven seems to prefer price declines.

Me, although I have a preference for rising real wages, I’ll take either, and I’m predicting house price declines as there is far more downward pressure on prices than there is upward pressure on wages.

Why prefer rising real wages? Because people buy more than houses, and because rising real wages often reflect rising productivity. Alas, in the last big productivity surge workers gained nothing, as executives and shareholders took all the productivity gains. Thus, catching up requires executives (and shareholders) get less than their share of whatever productivity gains there may be in the future.

Unfortunately, Jagger had it right — you don’t always get what you want. But if you try some time, you just might find, yadda yadda yadda.

IAT

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-03-22 12:39:29

Those who want higher housing prices can’t have them without higher incomes.

Yes — but it’s difficult for me to picture the short- to medium-term scenario where we as a country see wage inflation without rampant inflation in other sectors.

I agree that wage inequality needs to be addressed, I’m just pessimistic that we’ll encounter real movement in that direction. It would require a sea change in our policies regarding taxation, “free trade,” greed, and corporatism.

 
Comment by Itsabouttime
2009-03-22 13:08:41

Thanks, L. Opine,

If only the MSM would frame the issue of inequality in non-absolutist terms, I might have some hope for successful navigation of this predicament. Oh well.

IAT

 
Comment by 2banana
2009-03-22 13:23:38

Thus, every other leading economy (e.g., Germany, Japan, Scandinavia) has found some reasonable place in the middle, and benefit by having a society with more innovation, more social cohesion (e.g., less violent crime), longer life, and higher life quality.

Japan has a near complete homogeneous population due to very strict immigration laws. Even 3rd generation “foreigners” can not get citizenship. That is their social cohesion. One race, one religion and one culture.

Scandinavia HAD a near complete homogeneous population due to very strict immigration laws. That is their social cohesion. One race, one religion and one culture. The muslim immigrants are handing their heads to them with many parts of cities “no go” area for the native Scandinavians. And it will get much worse.

Germany - I assume you mean after 1945 after being rebuilt by American. Kinda of a unique situation. Don’t worry, they will go back to 20% unemployment rates as the norm in the very near future (socialism works!)

 
Comment by Itsabouttime
2009-03-22 14:28:02

2banana,

Japanese homogeneity is over-stated. After all, they have a sizable and symbolically important Korean population. I might add, Koreans in Japan lag behind the achievement of Japanese of Japanese ancestry, but in the US they have similar outcomes. I wonder why. I don’t know enough about Scandinavia to say, but knowing humans, I do believe that they could have found a basis for social exclusion if they wanted. They decided not to be so divided, and that is to their credit.

Your implication is that racial diversity makes cohesion impossible. Perhaps you did not know that the first to die in the American Revolution was a black man, Crispus Attucks. Yes, those of African descent were fighting for U.S. independence since before there was a U.S. to be independent.

Thus, the big question is whether the US would be cohesive if it could get beyond its history of racial exclusion — and the only way to do that is to acknowledge the injustice and pursue racial justice. The trajectory of immigrants from Europe and Asia say yes. Alas, too many demogogues seem intent on preventng a running of that experiment, even though the evidence from Asian and European immigrants suggests treating people with justice makes social cohesion possible and widespread wealth more likely. Sadly, the evidence of America is clear for any of integrity to see, yet widely ignored: We shall all hang together . . . or we shall all hang, separately.

IAT

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-03-22 14:43:52

2banana,

Are you dude the same person?

 
 
Comment by skroodle
2009-03-22 09:47:35

Yeah, Bill. You and the CEOs of the Fortune 500 companies can take it to the streets. :-)

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Comment by mikey
2009-03-22 10:05:32

Bill leads the 1st Charge ! :)

 
 
Comment by bananarepublic
2009-03-22 14:03:57

Bill you are an embarrassment. And a kook.

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Comment by 45north
2009-03-22 19:11:46

Bill: There are local banks who had nothing to do with bad loans and never took any bailouts.

I don’t see what so embarrassing or kooky!

Meredith Whitney said the same thing and said that the smaller and medium sized banks who did mind the store should be given authority over the too-big-to-fail banks like City and Countrywide! Honestly, Americans had better come up with the right answers soon! Like tomorrow morning.

God bless America!

 
 
 
Comment by yogurt
2009-03-22 09:23:06

Do you believe President Obama should personally limit the compensation of anyone who earns a lot more than you do?”

The executives of the financial firms receiving government bailouts haven’t earned anything.

If the government were not assisting their firms the firms would fail and they would receive nothing. These people are effectively civil servants, and the government has every right to set their compensation.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 11:09:52

+++++++++

End the bailouts, and end the dispute over whether executive pay should be limited — it’s that simple.

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Comment by bananarepublic
2009-03-22 14:05:11

“Do you believe President Obama should personally limit the compensation of anyone who earns a lot more than you do?”

No I don’t, but that isn’t what we are discussing. Nice try.

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Comment by samk
2009-03-22 09:29:37

I’ve never been to that site before. I will be a regular visitor, I think.

 
Comment by goedeck
2009-03-22 09:55:02

Let me guess; this is the Onion right?

Comment by DebtinNation
2009-03-22 10:12:50

Scrappleface.

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Comment by cactus
2009-03-22 20:38:32

OK thats fake had me going for a minute

it is fake right ?

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-03-22 05:45:21

On Friday I entered into two separate small talk conversations with some of our employees on the floor. Twice it was put to me: “why don’t the heads of our company take pay cuts to help avoid planned furloughs on the floor”.

It was creepy, because these particular employees are sweethearts, not our usual agitators, and they were absolutely serious and plainly sincere.

Of course this is a touchy and complicated subject. How many of you would take a pay cut to avoid ill effects on others? If so, for how long and how deep? Should there be a threshold for such actions? If so, how much? Should someone who makes $100k but has a family get a smaller cut than a single person who makes the same amount? Who decides?

I really hope this thing doesn’t get all Dr. Zhivago on us.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-03-22 07:38:35

Edge:

Its all about Fairness, Why should those traders at GS get any bonuses? They screwed up….let them work for $1 a year till all the money is paid back THEN out of the companies profit pay the bonuses

Sure it might take 5 years but then…it’s fair!

PS: why didn’t they save a good chunk of those 6 and 7 figure salaries anyway?

 
Comment by ButImNotDeadYet
2009-03-22 07:43:23

I applaud companies like FedEx, who implemented across-the-board pay cuts last fall. I don’t remember the exact amount but I think it was like 10-15%. Their rationale was that if everyone took a pay cut they wouldn’t have to lay anyone off.

Kudos to them, and their “we’re all in this together” attitude…

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-03-22 09:49:09

Yeah across the board is the way to do it, but these folks weren’t asking for across the board cuts they were suggesting that only those employees who made more than them have their pay cut. That’s a slippery and dangerous slope.

What also concerns me is that such moves are predicated on the notion that a recovery will be along shortly. What happens as this thing grinds on? Resentment will very likely increase directly with the duration of the pay cuts. The workplace will be an increasingly unhappy place as time and “life changing events” push workers to the brink and cause them to miss their old pay even more.

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-03-22 11:04:49

I can understand them saying that. When you see executives getting bonuses while people are being laid off at the same company, I can understand why they would say that.

 
 
Comment by in Colorado
2009-03-22 09:58:45

I think that many firms are doing this because:

1) They are already operating with minimal staff. If they lay off anymore they won’t be able to operate.
2) Its a great excuse to cut pay. They did it where I work. One of the online FAQs noted that the cuts were not temporary and would not be restored once the economy recovered.

It still beats getting laid off though.

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Comment by Dr. Strangelove
2009-03-22 12:08:53

“Kudos to them, and their “we’re all in this together” attitude…”

Kudos indeed.

Awhile back, I made it to the “final table” at a blackjack tournament.

The casino said if we all agreed, instead of continuing, we could split the purse equally among us so everyone would win $750, or, stay the course and take the spread…top player wins $2k and bottom winner gets zilch.

We all agreed to the $750 except for one woman who held out. We played the final round. The woman who held out lost…didn’t win a dime. The other players that won $250 and $500 were really pissed, cause they would’ve gone home with more $$$. Obviously, the top three players who won $750, $1,000 and $2k were very happy, but when you think about it, everyone could have/would have been happy with $750.

I won the $2k. Still would’ve been happy with the $750, (especially if I’d ended up on the lower end of the spread.)

The “partial Sociopathic, I want it all” crowd don’t give rat’s patoot regarding the social advantages of “spreading the wealth.” I also believe (like many psychologists) a huge amount of these creeps ascend to high levels in businees and politics. No accountability, no compassion aholes. Sad part is, no matter how much they acquire, it will never be enough. Nothing will ever satisfy their need for power/dominance.

DOC

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Comment by Bob in Vegas
2009-03-22 17:43:15

Glad to see that the dumb beyatch who wouldn’t go along with the $750 to everybody wound up with squat. She got exactly what she deserved. Occasionally the fates administer well-deserved justice.

 
Comment by measton
2009-03-22 19:10:31

The “partial Sociopathic, I want it all” crowd don’t give rat’s patoot regarding the social advantages of “spreading the wealth.” I also believe (like many psychologists) a huge amount of these creeps ascend to high levels in businees and politics. No accountability, no compassion aholes. Sad part is, no matter how much they acquire, it will never be enough. Nothing will ever satisfy their need for power/dominance.

This is the evolution of business and I suspect countries.
1. Company is started by hard working visionary.
2. Hires passionate people who are willint to work for peanuts with the hope of a big pay day down the road.
3. Company grows and becomes established.
4. Next wave of management comes from some of the early hires but the leaches have attatched themselves as well.
5. Promotion slowly evolves from one based on good performance to one based on being a YES man, and do what ever it takes (including fraud) to get the numbers the CEO wants.
6. Leaches now cover the host. They improve profits not by motivating people and innovation but by slashing costs. They sell all the real estate machinery ect. and then lease it back using the money to pay bonus’s. They borrow as much money as the banks will give them to pay bonus’s. They fire all of the employees (ie the ones that have been reliable and hard working) and replace them with minimum wage drop outs (Called the Circuit City). They cook the books to make sure they can sell their stock options high then they let the company die.

 
 
Comment by Reuven
2009-03-22 12:13:21

The message we’re getting from Obama is that we’re NOT “all in this together”. His proposed handouts and giveaways have income limits. His tax increases are for certain people only.

I’d have a lot less problem with Obama if he proposed raising EVERY TAX BRACKET, from 10% to 35% up one point (to 11% through 36%) That would clearly send the right message that we’re all in this together.

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Comment by Itsabouttime
2009-03-22 12:48:06

Reuven,

Tax increases will force people to cut back on consumption or on savings. Assume you have 3 families in three different tax brackets. You tax all at rates that allow them to consume. But, the top bracket is able to both consume and save a lot, while the middle bracket is able to consume and save a little. So, it looks like this (apologies if my table gets wrenched into chaos by the system):

Level Consume Save a Bit Save a Lot
Poor X
Mid X X
Rich X X

If you raise all taxes by 1 percentage point, you push the poor family below subsistence consumption. Eventually, this becomes so costly that your tax actually costs the government money in dealing with increasing crime, health problems, and worse (I guess you could leave the bodies on the street and let the sick stay sick, but both will infect others and no one will want to walk the streets with dead bodies, so you lose even more in lost economic activity). Thus, your “equal” tax has actually done grave harm.

Your wise advisor had called for leaving the poor alone. The debate had centered on whether to allow the middle to save a little, or tax them more so they can’t save. In other words, the debate about the middle is whether taxation should make them poor. Your wise advisor prefers to let them save.

So, now, we turn to the rich. Really, can they not afford to save if they are taxed more? Well, yes they can. So, your wise advisor says tax them a bit more.

In the end the message is simple–if we are all in it together, then those who can sacrifice should and those who cannot should not be asked to do so. Asking someone to sacrifice their life, or have their child go hungry, in support of some draconian vision of togetherness is not only inhumane, it is also economically insane. And it is definitely no way to say “We are all in this together.”

IAT

 
Comment by Reuven
2009-03-22 15:33:11

Here’s why I disagree:

The Middle Class has received, or will receive, tax breaks worth about a Trillion Dollars.

These come in two ways:

1. Not taxing forgiven mortgage debts
2. Not taxing “cramdowns”

That’s ENOUGH! Taxing “the rich” to cover this loss is grossly unfair.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-03-22 15:56:54

Sorry, but if you make over a quarter million a year, you are NOT going to get sympathy from anyone other than your golf buddies.

Secondly, the taxes were only adjusted back to 1990 levels and are still far, far lower than in the Reagan era.

The second richest man in America says he has no problem paying taxes and would pay more as repayment for the opportunity to be wealthy. That says a lot about character right there.

What does that say about other wealthy people who are, well, let’s be honest, whining?

 
Comment by Itsabouttime
2009-03-22 16:11:10

Reuven,

So, Reuven, your preference is to preserve the wealthy, and make the middle class poor? Yep, sounds like corporatist policies have not yet been fully dis-credited. We’ve got a ways to go.

The rich have got lots of money, and the bailouts are giving them even more. If we don’t raise taxes on the rich, not only will the plan be even more unaffordable, but it would be an even more massive transfer of wealth upward. And you are all up in arms because some measely percentage might trickle down to the middle class?

Look, I think the bailouts are really bad. But if the wealthy want our money, the least (and I mean LEAST) they can do is pay tax rates equivalent to those Reagan! passed back in the ’80s. Or, is the claim that Reagan was a socialist?

For some perspective, check out the wikipedia page for the gini index. (I’d post the link, but then there’d be a long delay). In sum, the only countries it shows with more earnings inequality than the U.S. are Mexico and Brazil. Yeah, that’s some really good company. Japan, France, Poland, Germany, Bulgaria, Canada, Norway, Italy, all have less income inequality. Oh, we are about the same as China. Woo-pee.

IAT

 
Comment by measton
2009-03-22 19:17:46

People confuse the rich and the ultra rich.

The advisor advises agaisnt taxing the poor and the middle class, but due to campaign contributions and the possibility of a very lucrative job on K-street after the term expires the same advisor advises against taxing the ultra rich. Then you have the Hedge Fund Managers and CEO’s paying effective tax rates well below the upper middle and even the middle class.

Said advisor also adised that to keep the poor from rioting and killing the rich their should be food stamps and wellfare. He advised using cheap credit to keep the middle class blind to the fact that they were loosing purchasing power long enough for the ultra rich to steal every last dime. He advised the AMTx which is now crushing the upper middle and middle class, it’s a pin prick for the ultrarich.

The sweet spot for the gov is the uppermiddle class, they have extra money but not enough that they can hire lobbiests and bribe pollitcians.

 
Comment by Itsabouttime
2009-03-23 00:12:52

Measton,

Your unwise advisors may have advised as you say. My wise advisors advised as I indicated.

IAT

 
Comment by bluto
2009-03-23 11:00:53

The second richest man in america got rich in decent part selling an investment product that lets lots of people from 3 on down shield themselves from taxes (annuities), for him taxes are a net wealth benefit.

 
 
Comment by Manny
2009-03-22 15:33:25

So the top 10 % performers get treated the same as the bottom 10% performers. Wonderful.

The dirty little secret about layoffs is that a lot of times they have nothing to do with the economy. Often times it is done to get rid of fat. That means find the 5-10% least productive people and let them go. No lawsuits, no charges of discrimination, none of that. fire Joe alone for being a complete idiot, Joe sues you. Fire Joe, Bob, Jose and Alex together, you’re good to go. Oh and your stock price gets a little boost as an added bonus.

Fedex cutting everyone’s pay 15% is an insult to those who do a good job and allows the 10% at the bottom to float along for another year or two.

Stupid.

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-03-22 16:02:31

No, layoffs are are all about the bottom line and cutting labor no matter who gets laid off, but most especially it’s about laying off the soon to be retired and those who make over a certain wage. Period.

 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-03-22 08:55:32

Can Wall Street hedgies just consider their AIG bonuses as a “Combat Loss” and write them off ? They were on the wrong side of the taxpayer’s class war and they should loose this skirmish? :)

 
Comment by skroodle
2009-03-22 09:49:23

I have already taken a pay cut to help with the continued success of my company.

Comment by in Colorado
2009-03-22 12:02:59

Do you work at HP?

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-03-22 16:19:41

For the record:

HP laid off thousands of their contract employees before enacting the pay cut. They also cut year end bonuses across the board. Bonuses that were given in lieu of no raises over the last 7 years.

Double paycut.

 
 
Comment by Silverback1011
2009-03-22 12:34:46

I haven’t had to take a pay cut yet and hope that I don’t have to, but I’ve taken on a greater share of the workload as my unit doesn’t replace voluntary attritions, but I’m just profoundly grateful to have a job. I don’t know that I’m going to get a raise this summer when the time comes up for my review, but I’m not expecting one. I try to keep my production up every minute of the day, because I don’t want to be seen with the gals that like to talk about the latest earrings that someone crafted or the latest news is on somebody’s daughter’s pregnancy in a cluster in someones cubicle when our boss comes around the corner with a bunch of refund vouchers that she signed and brings them to me. I know that she watches production very carefully. I’m really taking a beating in the “friendship” category at work, too, since I’ve stated that I don’t want to be bothered with “you’re my best friend” emails which are mass emailed to umpty-million unlucky recipients. I think that as business revenues fall hospital-wide, more cuts are going to be made, and I don’t want to be one of the cut-tees.

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Comment by Big V
2009-03-22 12:32:55

I think your question is off base. Furloughs on the manufacturing floor lead to lower production. You would be better off avoiding the furlough and lowering the price on your product. If you can manage that by taking a pay cut (or cutting everyone’s pay), then you should.

 
 
Comment by Leighsong
2009-03-22 05:49:52

Perhaps criminal charges for naked short-selling and failure to deliver may be a better bet.

Leigh

Comment by Leighsong
2009-03-22 05:55:55

Bloomberg

Naked Short Sales Hint Fraud in Bringing Down Lehman (Update1)

By Gary Matsumoto

March 19 (Bloomberg) — The biggest bankruptcy in history might have been avoided if Wall Street had been prevented from practicing one of its darkest arts.

As Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. struggled to survive last year, as many as 32.8 million shares in the company were sold and not delivered to buyers on time as of Sept. 11, according to data compiled by the Securities and Exchange Commission and Bloomberg. That was a more than 57-fold increase over the prior year’s peak of 567,518 failed trades on July 30.

The SEC has linked such so-called fails-to-deliver to naked short selling, a strategy that can be used to manipulate markets. A fail-to-deliver is a trade that doesn’t settle within three days. (Cont’d)

Leigh

 
Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-03-22 06:27:27

Followed closely by indecent naked “insurance” selling…

 
Comment by mikey
2009-03-22 09:52:47

Okay, we through out some criminal charges and then “Off with their Heads!” :)

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-03-22 14:08:14

There is NOTHING wrong with naked short-selling. The problem is in the “failed-to-deliver” issue.

Naked shorting just means you don’t own the underlying stock–e.g. you are not shorting “against the box”. Failing to deliver IS a problem that should be addressed.

Demonizing short-sellers is a bogus PR campaign that preys on people ignorance. Educate yourself and you will realize you are just being manipulated.

Short-sellers are just expressing their opinion about prices being too high, in the only way that the market allows a non-shareholder to do so. Outlawing that would just cause fewer opinions to be expressed in the market, and reduce the ability of the market to show you the real underlying value of securities.

It’s like saying it’s legal to bet on ONE of the teams playing in the SuperBowl, but not the other team–it’s illegal to bet on them.

Comment by mikey
2009-03-22 18:13:01

Kind of like a freedom of expression for everyone that ever wanted to scream “Fire” in a crowded theater just to see the reponse ? ;)

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Comment by measton
2009-03-22 19:21:50

There is a lot wrong with Naked short selling, it means you get to sell shares now that you don’t own and thus drive the price down. If you can do this in a coordinated fashion you can drive the stock price down. Investing and shorting should not be about manipulating the price of a stock. Unfortunately that’s what we have now with the Gov playing the leading roll, but the naked short sellers are a big part of the problem as well. If you want to short find someone to borrow the shares from first. For every Lehman their are probably hundreds of small companies that might have had a good shot at success if not for naked short sellers.

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Comment by lucy
2009-03-22 06:34:48

Restricting executive pay is not “fascism” at all. Please learn the meaning of words you wish to use.

If pay is restricted, i’m quite sure the people affected will find a way roundthe rules; options, free loans, pensions, housing allowance, etc.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-03-22 07:14:21

Then what DO you call it when a government bureaucrat decides how much you can make?

Comment by ButImNotDeadYet
2009-03-22 07:46:43

The “government bureaucrat” in this case is a creditor/owner of the company. The U.S. government owns 80% of AIG, 36% of Citibank, etc. I see nothing wrong with the government dictating pay and bonuses under such conditions.

In fact, the idea that the government has NO SAY under such situations strikes me as anti-capitalist. They have an investment to protect and hopefully get back some (if not all) of it on behalf of U.S. taxpayers….

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-03-22 08:29:10

Re-read the proposal. ALL banks, all Wall Street entities. If it’s implemented, why do you think it will stop there?

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-03-22 13:08:11

“ALL banks, all Wall St. entities” and all other public companies have gov’t-granted corporate charters and “artificial person” status, as well as countless other goodies and sweetheart deals from the government.

For 20 years I was in the camp that maintained that corporate regulation is an unwarranted interference with the free market. I finally realized that large corporations THEMSELVES are anti-free market and are de facto gov’t agencies. These regulatory maneuvers are merely internal turf battles among government bureaucrats.

As I’ve said before, real reform would mean repealing corporate laws and charters and downsizing business organizations to reasonable levels. In the meantime, I’m not shedding a lot of tears over the latest cat-fights between Congress and Wall St.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-03-22 13:43:03

Wow! The fascist sentiment is really coming out in this thread.

 
Comment by Itsabouttime
2009-03-22 14:40:29

LVG,

Welcome to our side.

IAT

 
Comment by holytrainwreck
2009-03-22 15:06:31

LVG: Precisely. The whole idea of corporate personhood run amok is the whole root cause of fascism, or, CORPORATISM. Thom Hartmann covers these topics quite brilliantly.

WE THE PEOPLE should be the only ones who control corporate charters, for the benefit of ALL.

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-03-22 15:10:39

IAT,

Thanks, but I’m not sure I know– or that you know– what side you’re welcoming me to here. I’ve heard my new views described as left-libertarian, anarcho-capitalist, agorist, etc., but nothing quite fits. If there’s a group that advocates flat-out repeal of corporation laws, I’d like to hear about it.

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-03-22 16:17:16

Holytrainwreck,

Sigh… I appreciate your (and IAT’s) support, but I still don’t know if I’m getting across here. The problem with liberal Democrats is that they seem to think that big corporations are fine as long as they get to control them and spank them every so often. They like to use them as whipping boys and as foils to grandstand about how morally superior they are.

For me, the point is not so much that, in your words, “WE THE PEOPLE should be the only ones who control corporate charters”– the point is that there should not BE any corporate charters, that the economy should be run, as it was earlier in our history, by smaller organizations that are allowed to be born, grow, and die with a minimum of fuss. Although corporate regulation doesn’t bother me as much as it used to, I don’t think it gets us closer to the real goal either.

 
Comment by Itsabouttime
2009-03-22 17:23:13

LVG,

the side to which I was welcoming you was the side that sees corporations as part of the problem. We are a varied bunch, so we won’t all agree on how to resolve the problem. But just getting the diagnosis right is a major step forward. Once that step is taken, the productive dialogue of determining what might be better can begin in earnest.

As for your solution (getting rid of corporations), I think that ignores the history of corporate law. In the past corporate charters had sunset provisions, and requirements of public service whose violation could lead to the revocation of the charter. It is only in the more recent period in the US where the corporation has become a massive and, more important, immortal “person” in the eyes of the law. I believe this recent interpretation of the corporate form can be undone. If so, one may not need to go as far as you propose to tame the corporate beast. But, I am open to your suggestion as well.

As for government, the same conclusion holds even more so, for government is more essential than corporations (if only because in a collectivity of more than one family there will be disputes and some system of resolving them must be erected). Governments can be useful or destructive. The devil is in the details. Alas, we have an apathetic citizenry impatient with and ignorant of details, and it remains to be seen whether they will rouse themselves before it is so late that all freedoms and opportunity to make positive change are gone. Even if they do rouse themselves in time, it remains to be seen whether they will act wisely or foolishly.

Me, I’m betting on failure to rouse or, if roused, abject foolishness. In other words, I am not optimistic we will make it through this epoch with a functioning system of checks, balances, and anything like the freedoms we had when we were born. But, I continue to work to make my predictions fail to come true.

And, it is in that spirit that I say again, Welcome LVG!

IAT

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-03-22 18:46:53

Alrighty, IAT. Thanks again. Yes, certainly sunset provisions would be a step in the right direction. Also I believe there used to be something called “double liability” (instead of the modern “limited liability”), whereby shareholders could lose up to twice the amount of their initial investment if the company became insolvent. This might help discourage excessive growth and risk-taking. The history of these laws merits further investigation.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-03-22 09:41:12

“Then what DO you call it when a government bureaucrat decides how much you can make?”

A return to the 1970’s Richard Nixon’s Policy of wage control and price freezes ?

“We’re rolling back prices back to 1965!” ;)
Michael Douglas in Falling Down

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Comment by ButImNotDeadYet
2009-03-22 07:23:36

All you AIG apologists just don’t get it. The MSM is letting us down (again) big time on this issue. I’m as mad with them as I am with the Obama administration (whom I voted for).

When are they going to roll the tapes from September / October? Nobody I’ve seen has done that yet. When this TARP legislation was being crafted (under a different administration, but that doesn’t really matter) we were given all kinds of assurances that there was going to be accountability, and openness about how the money was being spent.

Now, we are finding out it is quite the opposite. There is tremendous opaqueness and the public (and congress) has been lied to.

Anyone who believes in “good government” is outraged right now. I know I sure am. My biggest disappointment is, that despite the change in regime, we have the same shenanigans going on in the upper reaches of government. Rich people (such as AIG executives) can go to government with their political donations in one hand and their other hand extended in the “give me” gesture, and their needs are met. I’m NOT upset that the little people cannot do the same. I just think that NOBODY should be able to do that (rich or poor). But the sense of entitlement is so pervasive and there are so many apologists out there for these greedy, greedy little people. It all just makes me sick

Comment by combotechie
2009-03-22 07:44:59

“My biggest disappointment is, that despite the change in regime, we have the same shenanigans going on in the upper reaches of government.”

This “change in regime” didn’t go all that far. Those in congress, those in the rest of our government, are largely the same ones that were there before.

Party on…

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-03-22 08:02:00

Anyone who believes in “good government” is outraged right now. I know I sure am. My biggest disappointment is, that despite the change in regime, we have the same shenanigans going on in the upper reaches of government.

Your innocense is touching. Welcome to the real world, and not a moment too soon I might add.

 
Comment by bananarepublic
2009-03-22 14:10:48

Actually the MSM is back on the job. They took the last 8 years off, showing us endless crap that wasn’t news. But put a Dem in office and once again they do their jobs. Too bad they didn’t do it when it could have helped the last 8 years.

Give Obama a break. The guy has been in office a total of 2 months, and he is fighting a shitload of fires Chimp set, and then threw gasoline on.

Give the man a break already. I do not remember any of you being so quick to slam Chimp. He had a honeymoon, remember? In fact, he spent most of it on vacation. And then the towers came down.

But he was on the right team. Sure.

Comment by holytrainwreck
2009-03-22 15:10:00

Yes, he was quite pleasantly occupied with clearing brush…

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Comment by Manny
2009-03-22 15:41:38

Correct me if I am wrong but didn’t St. Barry Can Do No Wrong vote for TARP as a Senator? Or are we not supposed to talk about Obama pre-1/20/09?

We have always been at war with Eurasia!!

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Comment by Big V
2009-03-22 16:48:03

I slammed Chimp!

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Comment by Jon
2009-03-23 09:26:28

Good government? The democrats and republicans are owned by generally the same corporations. Until you change that ownership, you’re not going to get a change in government.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-03-22 07:52:16

I can think of some excellent uses for the lampposts outside AIG, Bear Stearn, and so many of these other Wall Street swindlers.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-03-22 07:59:06

The gub’mint has to be seen as “doing something” in this time of crisis by the sheeple; that’s how gov’t bureaucrats and Congress-critters feel important and necessary as they preen for the cameras. Never mind that the Fed and social engineers like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd are the prime culprits in the sub-prime debacle and easy-money, no-accountability policies that brought us to this day of reckoning. And please, let’s not turn this into a Democrat vs. Republican mud-slinging session - there’s plenty of blame to go around, with the ultimate responsibility resting with millions of greedy or stupid sheeple of all political persuasions who took on financial obligations they manifestly couldn’t afford.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-03-22 08:26:21

Unfortunately Sammy when you leave names of Republicans also involved in this fiasco you do boil the argument down to Republicans vs. Democrats.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-03-22 12:39:57

Bush and his ill-advised “ownership society” also gets key billing in the blame game, as does his and the so-called Republicans’ shameless pandering to Wall Street and the corporate cartels, and Bush’s support for Greenspan - probably the biggest single culprit responsible for both the tech and housing bubbles. McCain also deserves dishonorable mention for his campaign pledge to have gub’mint buy up bad mortgages as well as being a lapdog of the neo-cons who want to see us impose a Pax Americana on the world even if it bankrupts us in blood and treasure, which would sink the larger economy. My contempt for Republicans (exempting Ron Paul) as well as Democrats is well documented in here. And any so-called “Republican” who voted for these ludicrous bailouts should be tarred and feathered.

There, Bay Girl, are you happy?

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-03-22 13:31:01

Such a gentleman (sarcastic). Thank you

 
Comment by Itsabouttime
2009-03-22 14:49:17

SS,

Glad you were willing and able to add more commentary. But, one episode of inclusion does not a wise person make.

If you can regularly list multiple persons of multiple political parties who were responsible for this disaster when you are focusing on blame, perhaps it will help us all get beyond the blame-the-party game and focus on what was done, what resulted, what can be done now, and what is likely to happen.

IAT

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-03-22 16:43:15

I’ve stated multiple times in here that both parties suck, and the dolts who help them perpetrate their stranglehold on power election after election deserve the goverment they end up with. That applied to Bush as well as Obama. So no, I don’t feel any need to “regularly list multiple persons of multiple political parties who were responsible for this disaster.” Almost all politicians from both major parties are whores and swindlers as well as incompetents, though I particularly despise Pelosi, Schumer, Reid, and their ilk - the GOP Hollow Men really don’t even rate a comment for the most part, now that the unmitigated disaster that was the Bush Administration has skulked back to wherever they came from. They are passively stupid, while Pelosi, et. al. are militantly stupid. All in all, I prefer the former, though not by much.

 
Comment by Itsabouttime
2009-03-22 19:13:45

O My God. If you are serious, I am very concerned for your sanity. I think what you’ve written indicates you really should keep repeating those names, as much as possible, because if after only 2 months of an Obama presidency you have already forgotten the ignorance of the past regime, the embarrassment they brought to the American project (what with their pro-torture ideology, straight out of Auschwitz), their abject failure to do the basics any functioning government must do (e.g., Katrina, 9/11 (there were no 9/11s under Clinton, though our enemies tried (recall the stop at the border of that group attempting to bomb Seattle over the 2000 new years celebration?)) you definitely need some kind of regular reminder of what we have come through. 3,000 lives lost for . . . nothing, while Georgie sits there reading a kindergarten book and doesn’t have the presence of mind to even realize the country is under attack.

I strongly suggest you start repeating those dastardly Bush administration names every day, and reminding yourself of just how destructive they were. I am no great fan of Obama, but please, even a rabbit would be better than Bush.

Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

IAT

 
 
 
Comment by hd74man
2009-03-22 10:17:43

RE: And please, let’s not turn this into a Democrat vs. Republican mud-slinging session - there’s plenty of blame to go around, with the ultimate responsibility resting with millions of greedy or stupid sheeple of all political persuasions who took on financial obligations they manifestly couldn’t afford.

Bingo, SS…regards.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-03-22 10:30:52

“Never mind that the Fed and social engineers like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd are the prime culprits in the sub-prime debacle and easy-money, no-accountability policies that brought us to this day of reckoning. And please, let’s not turn this into a Democrat vs. Republican mud-slinging session…

Frank and Dodd are NOT the prime culprits. Last I checked, they weren’t originating loans, packaging MBS’s, or rating them “AAA”. I can’t stand either of them, but your assertion is incorrect. And, this ain’t about “subprime”.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-03-22 12:45:37

Agree that this is much bigger than a sub-prime crisis - really, it’s an imploding debt and credit bubble. I singled out Dodd and Frank because they pushed policies that “encouraged” lenders to make sub-prime loans, especially to so-called disadvantaged minorities. This is where social engineering gets us. Believe me, I’m not letting the realtors, mortgage brokers, appraisers, or lenders off the hook, and have repeatedly said the ultimate blame rests with the greedy, stupid fools who signed their name on the bottom line, regardless of how onerous the contracts or lenders were.

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Comment by GeorgeSalt
2009-03-22 08:20:09

Funny, I missed your wails about “fascism” a few weeks ago when the Feds made federal loans to G.M. and Chrysler contingent on those manufacturers shredding their existing labor pacts and extracting financial concessions from workers.

As they say, what’s good for the goose ….

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-03-22 08:48:04

Yes. I notice that also George. Union contracts are broken that’s capitalism, however when we talk about capping executives pay it’s fascism. The horror, the horror.

Comment by not a gator
2009-03-22 09:40:50

Anyone could see this coming; it’s just amazing that it’s taken so long.

My mother was talking about “Gilded Age II” in the mid 1990’s.

And if these bozos were living beyond their means, well … too bad.

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Comment by Itsabouttime
2009-03-22 14:55:13

Hence my name. Truly, it is about time!

IAT

 
 
Comment by Blano
2009-03-22 09:49:12

Capping pay isn’t a problem if they wanna take taxpayer money, but other executive pay as well?? Out of bounds.

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Comment by skroodle
2009-03-22 09:57:32

LOL - your right SanFranciscoBayAreaGal. Its all right to say that union workers at GM are over paid and need pay cuts, but to suggest it for CEO/CFO/etc its the end of society.

For CEOs of GM/Ford/Chrysler to fly in corporate jets to Washington to lobby Congress is terrible. For the CEOs of Goldman to fly Senators in their corporate jets to the Bahamas is A-OK.

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Comment by bluprint
2009-03-22 09:27:22

More importantly, hopefully it’ll make me look like a genius for holding skf over the weekend.

Or at least fatten my pocket book. I don’t really care if I look like a genius.

Comment by exeter
2009-03-22 12:22:57

bluprint,

Please post a picture of you carrying your pocketbook.

Comment by bluprint
2009-03-22 14:48:57

ha!

I didn’t really know what a pocketbook was so I looked it up. It is apparently most often a reference to a purse.

I did find a definition (merriam webster) that includes “4. financial resources” which is how I meant it. So I feel redeemed that neither my vocabulary nor my manhood may be called into question on THIS day.

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Comment by exeter
2009-03-22 15:23:11

Relax chief….. It’s one of those word peeves of mine…. kinda like calling a house a “home”.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-22 15:34:29

So I feel redeemed that neither my vocabulary nor my manhood may be called into question on THIS day.

Never! And also I’m sure it’s a GIANT pocketbook! ;)

 
 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2009-03-22 12:12:33

We already had our bout of fascism, circa 1981-2008 where government (us) become subservient to corporate interests. Its what happens when the ideology of libertarianism is put into practice…… and it clearly doesn’t work.

We’re now moving back to capitalism….. Thank You.

Comment by bluprint
2009-03-22 15:29:25

Under libertarianism the corporation wouldn’t even exist. What we had during the period you describe was republicans and democrats. Same as now.

You can’t seriously blame a political ideology that has never been represented. That’s absurd.

Comment by exeter
2009-03-22 15:58:39

Maybe under your brand of libertarianism but it was precisely libertarianistic philisophic elements that the self-policing fantasy was contingent upon.

And please don’t beat me with your pink purse. ;) j/k.

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Comment by bluprint
2009-03-22 16:38:45

It was only marketed that way.

I think Peter Schiff made the point best that in a free market greed is tempered with fear. Govt removed the fear/risk in the name of “free-market”. (around here we often call this “privatize the gains and socialize the losses”)

But by doing that, you have completely changed the thing. I don’t know what it is rightly called (fascism, corporatism, mommy-state, socialism…these all seem appropriate) but it is certainly not a free market.

This isn’t so different than the neo-cons who behave in certain dispacable ways in the name of christianity. You and I know what they do is often contradictory to our beliefs and should not rightly be called the same name.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-03-22 17:03:30

“Fantasy” is RIGHT!

Of course, nobody seemed to see the obvious… that “self-policing” is an oxymoron.

Reminds me of when “trickle down” was backed by the very people it hurt. What part of “trickle” did they not get? :lol:

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-03-22 18:09:20

I see that the danger is that under the guise of a emergency ,while not BK-ing bad Companies and busting crimes ,the Powers want to move in there and pick and choose who gets bail outs and who get’s punished ,and
what new rules they will adopt ,to please whoever has influence with the Powers .

In times like these ,the Constitution is the best guide
as to the course that should be taken . Test everything against the concepts of the Constitution . Are the policies
a violation to some groups Constitutional rights for instance . Are bail-outs to the ” Investment Class “a violation to the rights of the non-investment class ?
Are bail-outs to the liar loan borrowers a violation to the Constitutional rights of the renters or paying homeowners .

Did any of the interest groups get representation before they were taxed for the folly of the gamblers .

Do the Feds and Treasury have a Constitutional right to
pick and choose who will be bailed out when the laws were in place as to how the losses would fall according to the Standing Law at the time of the crash? Do these government entities have the right to change laws after the fact to the penalty of some and not to others ?

And more important ,do special interest groups pose a real danger in taking over the Government and imposing a system that again picks and chooses who the winners and losers will be ,rather than the merits of the single individual . Each person has a right to the pursuit of happiness and the laws are written to insure this ,or should be .
The Government could of let things fall and decided later where restitution was needed . AIG not being able to pay off on their Casino Bets has served to contort this
Country into a Nation that is now talking about capping
incomes on who they pick and choose . Why don’t they just make a law that all Corporations have to give a
50% raise to all employees ? The maorl hazard and the crazyness that will come out of when first the Powers
decided to obstruct Justice and violate the Majority.

 
Comment by Jon
2009-03-23 09:39:37

“This isn’t so different than the neo-cons who behave in certain dispacable ways in the name of christianity. You and I know what they do is often contradictory to our beliefs and should not rightly be called the same name.”

I always found it interesting that Neo-conservatives and libertarians would be in the same party as Christian fundamentalists. The basis of neo-conservatism is the atheism of Leo Strauss and the basis of libertarianism is the atheism of Ayn Rand.

I think that if Christians knew who their bunk mates were here they’d set off and form their own party.

 
 
 
Comment by packman
2009-03-22 19:18:09

Sorry please don’t make us laugh. Calling anything we’ve had in the last 100 years anything close to libertarianism is an insult.

As long as an entity like the Federal Reserve exists - we will have nothing even close to libertarianism.

Anyone who thinks this has bought in the MSM free-markets-ruined-everything crap - hook line and sinker.

Comment by exeter
2009-03-23 06:51:48

“Self-policing” is a very basic libertarian fundamental and it is exactly the reason whe’re where we are today.

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Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-03-22 04:27:58

All this talk about “it’s a conspiracy”, “it’s the Republican”s fault”, “it’s the Democrats fault” is turning into a big waste of time and bandwidth, especially since it is becoming obvious that NOBODY IS GOING TO BE CALLED TO ACCOUNT AND/OR PROSECUTED FOR THEIR SCREWUPS/CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

I hereby recommend that we get back to the more important stuff, like:

-Figuring where the market is going to be after the 2009-2010 resets, because the banks are going to continue to bleed until the house market (and their paper) stabilizes at some price/value.

-Helping X-GSfixer decide if it is too late to get into a different line of work.

-Find out why Meredith Whitney won’t answer my mail.

Comment by mikey
2009-03-22 07:26:14

The Spring Bounce for the Dead Cats and GF is Backkkkkk !! Some of the many gems in this piece :)

“Tighter lending rules trip up homebuyers

In the post-meltdown world, mortgage applicants face higher credit standards, lower appraisals and more scrutiny

But Douglas Lenski, president of Wholesale Mortgage Services of Wisconsin LLC in Milwaukee, contends that Fannie and Freddie have gone too far in charging fees to reduce or eliminate risk. “They’ve over-tightened the screws.” he said.”

“…Anyone with a credit score below 740 could be hit with extra fees. For example, someone with a 700 to 719 credit score who has a 20% down payment would pay a 0.75% fee - $1,500 - on a $200,000 mortgage.

“I’d loan my own personal cash to someone with a 700 or 719 credit score,” Lenski said. ( Whoa..Say WHAT Dougie, my MAIN Man ? :)

”…As is common with refinancings, an appraisal was done - but Lopez was stunned when it came in almost $20,000 below an appraisal he had gotten just five months earlier when he had taken out a $25,000 home equity loan to pay for a new kitchen.
The October 2008 appraisal had valued his house at $190,000. “This time when the appraiser came out, he appraised my home at $171,000,” Lopez said. “I had just put in a brand new kitchen worth over $20,000.” (Stunned…I say Stunned Son!)

He said he complained to his credit union and they talked with the appraiser, who then came back with an amended appraisal of $188,000.( Ho ho ho..Santa’s back!)

To wit…”It’s a lender’s job to guide them through the process, Winkler added.(Just Trust me Son ;) )

Some real estate agents argue that too much negative news is holding the housing market back more than restrictions on mortgages. Most people who want a house can get financing for one, especially using mortgage options including Federal Housing Authority (FHA) loans, real estate pros say.

“With a 620 credit score, you can buy a house with 3.5% down at 5.5% (interest),” said Jim Bucher, a broker at The Agency Real Estate in Germantown ( Yup…and the taxyers BUY another shack to add to the stack )

tp://www.jsonline.com/business/41637852.html

Comment by hd74man
2009-03-22 10:24:58

RE: ”…As is common with refinancings, an appraisal was done - but Lopez was stunned when it came in almost $20,000 below an appraisal he had gotten just five months earlier when he had taken out a $25,000 home equity loan to pay for a new kitchen.
The October 2008 appraisal had valued his house at $190,000. “This time when the appraiser came out, he appraised my home at $171,000,” Lopez said. “I had just put in a brand new kitchen worth over $20,000.” (Stunned…I say Stunned Son!)

He said he complained to his credit union and they talked with the appraiser, who then came back with an amended appraisal of $188,000.( Ho ho ho..Santa’s back!)

Ho-hum, Different day, same punch the valuation number you’re told to.

With FNMA and FRD now nationalized the complaints about an appraiser not hitting the requisite number will now be kicked up to a Congressmen or women.

Incumbent election campaign funding baskets will be full to overflowing as people hedge themselves against finding themselves dealing with home valuation realities.

Then the “fix” really will be in!

 
 
Comment by rms
2009-03-22 09:27:24

“Figuring where the market is going to be after the 2009-2010 resets…”

Lots of resets are scheduled for 2011; hopefully residential RE will be priced right by December 21, 2012.

Comment by Don't Know Nothin About Buyin No House
2009-03-22 11:33:00

We used to have lots of great discussions with HBBers would call the bottom and explain their answer - sort of like blue book tests in college. You say Dec 2012. Why? Expand and Contrast….

Comment by Carl Morris
2009-03-22 13:22:04

I think the Mayan calendar says that’s our lucky day.

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Comment by Big V
2009-03-22 12:51:19

Does your wife know about this Meredith thing? Not judging you, but I’M JUST SAYIN’.

Comment by Blano
2009-03-22 13:51:40

Maybe she’s encouraging it.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-03-22 17:44:38

XG-fixer, I agree about the conspiracy stuff.

I also have problems with Charlize Theron not answering my emails ;)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-03-22 04:29:19

Credit Unions With $57 Billion in Assets Seized; 3 Banks Fail…
By Margaret Chadbourn and Ari Levy

March 21 (Bloomberg) — Two corporate credit unions, with combined assets of $57 billion, were seized by the National Credit Union Administration yesterday to stabilize a system used by 90 million customers amid a worldwide financial crisis. Three U.S. banks failed, bringing this year’s total to 20.

U.S. Central Corporate Federal Credit Union, in Lenexa, Kansas, and Western Corporate Federal Credit Union in San Dimas, California, were put into conservatorship, the regulator said in a statement. The credit unions failed so-called stress tests that found an “unacceptably high concentration of risk” from mortgage-backed securities, the agency said.

“Most of the bad assets that we’ve seen in the corporate world reside at these two institutions,” NCUA spokesman John McKechnie said in a telephone interview. “We will be able to resolve them in a more efficient way.”

The U.S. has 28 corporate credit unions, which make loans and provide other services for the retail credit unions that cater to the public. This is the first time a corporate credit union was seized since 1995, when NCUA took control of Capital Corporate, based in Landover, Maryland.

U.S. Central has about $34 billion in assets and serves 26 retail credit unions. Earlier this year, it was granted a $1 billion federal injection in an effort to shore up public confidence.

Western Corporate has $23 billion in assets and about 1,100 retail credit union members, the NCUA said. Yesterday’s two seizures may cost the agency’s insurance fund about $1.2 billion, McKechnie said.

Emergency Borrowing

The regulator is seeking $30 billion in emergency borrowing authority from the Treasury Department to combat mounting losses. The U.S. House of Representatives has already approved expanding credit to $6 billion from $100 million.

 
Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-03-22 04:32:34

All this discussion on whose “fault” this mess is, is a waste of time, since it is becoming more and more evident that NO ONE is going to be brought to account for their defective judgement/criminal behavior.

I suggest we work on more important issues like:
-Should X-GSfixer look into a new line of work, and
-Why Meredith Whitney won’t answer my mail……..

Comment by Muir
2009-03-22 05:45:38

That heartless bitc__ !
You deserve better GS

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-22 12:48:13

Yeah! Soooo true, X-GS!

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-03-22 05:53:42

That’s a tough call, when I left the airlines in 1999 many of my coworkers thought it was a bad move. What alarmed me was the union mentality at our company was entirely out of step with the realities being wrought by technology and globalization. So, I went into GIS and then into database management and never really thought to return - especially after 9/11…and now, I can’t even imagine!

Still, wrenching is great gig and I miss the freedom and working outdoors. Your skills are very valuable - try looking into other industries where you can apply them. Also, get into some classes ASAP - taking classes really helped me during layoffs. If laid off again that’s the first thing I’ll do - load up on more school.

Comment by combotechie
2009-03-22 06:29:57

Aren’t Gulfstreams akin to flying limosines? If so then I’d think of a career shift into something vital rather than frivolous.

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-03-22 06:58:09

Also, it it rumored that Obama wants to ban all corporate jet activity. You own anything bigger than a king-air and you will have Barney Frank all over your ass. New World Order of Wealth-spreading.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-03-22 07:22:09

Good! We don’t need all those people getting nice salaries building and maintaining those high-margin corporate jets. They’ll be better off in the unemployment lines. And we’d rather do without the income taxes those corporations were paying.

I LOVE this administration. Their attitude seems to be, “Screw the economy. Equal sharing of the misery is far better than unequal sharing of the wealth.”

Actually, Obama sorta said that during the campaign.

 
Comment by poormancometh
2009-03-22 07:23:31

How about banning Congress, esp. N Pelosi, from using the Air Force as their personal jet fleet.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-03-22 08:08:57

Amen to that. What hypocrites people like Pelosi are - waxing sanctimonious about CEOs and their corporate aircraft, while Pelosi & Co. treat the USAF like their own personal executive fleet. By the way, some of those USAF VIP jets are very posh, with pert young female airmen as flight attendants instead of those bitter menopausal airline hags.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-03-22 08:45:15

I thought we weren’t going to turn this into a Demo vs. Repub? Oh well.

Well the story about Nancy and her jet has been debunked. Looks like your ex boy Dennis Hastert used the plane more often than Nancy.

Here’s a couple of links:

http://tinyurl.com/c7qewn

http://tinyurl.com/ckbp4a

 
Comment by Doghouse Riley
2009-03-22 09:08:33

“you will have Barney Frank all over your ass”

I trust that is meant figuratively.

 
Comment by not a gator
2009-03-22 09:42:10

I’m sure he takes it up the hoo-haw.

Just like all the other Congressmen.

 
Comment by rms
2009-03-22 10:05:33

“I’m sure he takes it up the hoo-haw.”

John Gage says anyone will…for $$$.

 
Comment by skroodle
2009-03-22 10:10:02

SanFranciscoBayAreaGal quite using facts, it upsetting to some people.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-22 14:00:13

Yeah, SanFranGal, cut it out. Yer harshing on my righteous indignation thingie.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-03-22 08:30:13

Put all the politicans and CEOs in a LAWN CHAIRS with 40 or so small BRIGHT RED helium ballons and let them DRIFT with a light 3-5 mph SE wind from National Airport, DC (69 for Barney) at 10:00 am EST.

Then at 10:15 am EST, notify NORAD, DHS and Andrews AFB that you spotted all kinds of evil airborne terrorists that are INTENT on destroying the USA, so LOCK n’ LOAD and Happy Hunting Boyz:)

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-03-22 12:14:43

Lock n’ Load, brings back memories of being out on the firing range with the M-16 and M-60. FIRERS WATCH YOUR LANES!!

 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-03-22 10:42:27

Hey, the old fleet of presidential aircraft were really cool.

Old mikey nailed a few space available hop rides out of Andrews AF on them during Nam days. Nice service from the stewards and crews. An infantry NCO never lived so well ;)

20 year old super Sgt mikey RamboBoy decked out like a freakin Airborne Christmas tree with ribbons, ropes and jump boots quietly sitting there with “I CAUSE DEATH and or DESTRUCTION” , written all over me and some idiot senator or goofy congressman would always come up and say…” Hi Son…and What do you DO ? :)

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Comment by socaljettech
2009-03-22 17:52:57

Gulfstreams (and the others) aren’t going anywhere. There may be some retrenching, but the people who have money are NOT going to give up their planes and fly commercial. If and exec is worth 250 mill a year, what is another 50 mil for an aircraft that the whole company uses? Even Buffet acknowleges the benefits of the planes. The airlines are so F’d up that you can’t rely on them for reliable transportation. The other thing is Gulfstream dominates the Biz jet market. Half of their production is sold overseas, (thanks to the weak dollar) making them one of the few companies in the country actually exporting a US made product( at 50 + million a pop) . It would be real smart to attack that industry, but thats a politician for you.

X- G:- you are a certified A & P mechanic that repairs aircraft with at times sketchy manuals to a standard that no one else in the world is held to. YOU can repair anything- unfortunately there is nothing like an airplane, eh? The airplane thing is contracting somewhat right now- I am on 24 hr weeks myself- but it will come back when people get tired of the Government rhetoric and start living again (also when the calender items come due). Be patient, do what you have to do to get by for now but keep your ears sharp- good mechs are hard to come by in this industry. The Amusement parks love us- (Disney, ect) maybe you can find something there to tie you over? School is good too but its hard to do when you have no income coming in.
As far as Meredith, try telling here you HAVE a Gulfstream. Might get you one night anyway……..

Hang in there Brother!!
SCJT

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Comment by lucy
2009-03-22 07:03:16

If “peak oil” is real then flying is in for dacades of downsizing, cut backs and contraction. On the other hand, its clear that the rich are going to not only keep hold of what they already have but grab more, and they are not about to start traveling with the riff-raff on commercial airlines.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-03-22 05:09:13

I would have loved to see R.Paul as the U.S. president, of course it was not to be.

Ron Paul: Believer in small government predicts 15-year depression
By Phil Davis

Published: March 22 2009 09:07 | Last updated: March 22 2009 09:07

Pension trustees and insurance company portfolio managers look away now. Your increased commitment to government bond holdings in recent times is about to blow up spectacularly.

At least, that is the view of Ron Paul, the US congressman who ran against John McCain in last year’s Republican Party presidential nomination.

His is a minority view. Yields on government bonds worldwide have been falling fast over the past few months and in the UK, the commencement of “quantitative easing” this month sent bond prices soaring.

But the credibility of both western governments and their currencies is waning, and has been ever since the gold standard was abandoned in 1971, says Mr Paul. And that means even “safe” investments are far from safe, he claims.

“People will start to abandon the dollar as current and past economic policies create a steep rise in interest rates,” Mr Paul says.

“If you are in Treasuries, you will need to be watchful and nimble to time your escape.”

Unfortunately, cashing out will not protect the value of investments, he insists, because “fiat” currencies will all decline over the coming years as measures to try to haul the world economy out of recession fail. “The current stimulus measures are making things a lot worse,” says Mr Paul.

“The US government just won’t allow the correction the economy needs.” He cites the mini-depression of 1921, which lasted just a year largely because insolvent companies were allowed to fail. “No one remembers that one. They’ll remember this one, because it will last 15 years.”

At some stage – Mr Paul estimates it will be between one and four years – the dollar will implode. “The dollar as a reserve standard is done,” he says. He sees little hope for other currencies where central banks have also created too much liquidity dating right back to the early 1970s.

“Europe and the US will both have to fundamentally change their money systems,” he adds.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 07:24:11

“Pension trustees and insurance company portfolio managers look away now. Your increased commitment to government bond holdings in recent times is about to blow up spectacularly.”

Predicted future defense to be used by pension trustees and insurance company portfolio managers whose government bond holdings plummet in value: ‘Nobody could have seen it coming.’

 
Comment by SV guy
2009-03-22 08:32:04

I still have my RP for prez lawn sign. It’s hanging in my garage.
I believe RP’s prognostication is spot on.

Mike

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-03-22 09:09:00

You should put it back on your lawn as a gesture of protest against the current regime.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-03-22 13:04:44

My “Don’t Blame Me - I Supported Ron Paul” bumper sticker gets a lot of thumbs-up in traffic.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-03-22 09:06:22

Dr. Paul and Peter Schiff are recommending gold bullion. If Dr. Paul is correct, that treasuries will implode, then my Series I savings bonds are as good as dust.

In 1999 I was 90% into equities because I was afraid all the other asset classes would implode. So stocks imploded instead. And gold and savings bonds were the best deals for the next ten years.

Logic tells me that fiat money will crash and burn in the long run. 1980 was the test. And then the dollar recovered. Why?

I don’t know why the dollar recovered after it looked like everything was going to go to hell. So this is why I am not going to sell off my savings bonds or cash out my AAZAX and AAZBX mutual funds (Arizona municipal bonds, mostly AA and AAA).

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 11:12:45

“I don’t know why the dollar recovered after it looked like everything was going to go to hell.”

Dude — you’ve gotta be kidding! The dollar was Volckerized, to the tune of 14% yields on l-t T-bonds. It could turn out this way again this time, which would save the dollar by crushing those who went long into T-bonds.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-03-22 14:05:25

Well, okay. But Volcker’s policies in the late 1970s (under Democrat Jimmy Carter) are the opposite of what Bernanke, Geithner, and Obama want now. Okay, Volcker was the cure. It could be too late for that cure (double digit interest rates). It would certainly dry up credit and certainly not want anyone to get any loan for anything. The Demos want everyone to spend us “into prosperity.”

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Comment by measton
2009-03-22 19:34:47

Volker came after the debt

 
 
 
 
Comment by skroodle
2009-03-22 10:14:36

So exactly what currency is going to replace the US dollar?

British poung? The Euro? Swiss franc? Mexican peso? Japanese yen?

As bad as you think the US dollar is, they are up against all of those currencies.

Comment by John Galt
2009-03-22 11:53:32

A flight to commodities … and not just the Precious Metals.

But if all the Fiat currencies inflate at the same rate …

And how likely is a successful walk on THAT knifes edge?

No, there will be massive lurching back and forth on the Foreign Exchange markets. The main problem is that the Dollar - as the reserve currency has the most to suffer from some unintended consequence of the multiple bailouts of the nations issuing Fiat currency (which is all of them as far as I know) which will then pop the Dollar bubble.

Can China transition from holding Dollars to holding … what?

That is, without triggering ‘The Event’.

I can’t imagine that China would intentionally dump their dollars to destroy the US economy. Theirs would be destroyed also.

Nations and large Corporations may be driven to barter. How could a contract be written involving a particular Fiat currency when the worth of that currency is not relatively stable into the future?

The Black Swan glides on the Lake …

 
Comment by Big V
2009-03-22 13:03:06

That is correct.

 
Comment by robin
2009-03-22 19:27:18

I choose the British poung - :)

 
 
Comment by NewJerseyGuy
2009-03-22 17:07:56

MSM–Its Dr Paul to you!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-03-22 05:11:28

New supply of ‘jumbo’ financing in pipeline…

Bank of America and others are stepping up the availability of high-value loans for low-risk borrowers.
By Kenneth R. Harney
March 22, 2009
Reporting from Washington — New money is about to flow into an area of the real estate market that has been hardest squeezed by the credit crisis: mortgages too large to be purchased or backed by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac or the Federal Housing Administration.

Though the so-called jumbo mortgages are heavily concentrated in California, portions of Florida and the Northeast, higher-cost neighborhoods throughout the country traditionally have depended on their ready availability to finance houses. But with the collapse last year of the private mortgage bond market on Wall Street, home buyers, builders and refinancers who relied on jumbo financing were left with few sources — except at punitively high interest rates and huge down payments.

That’s about to change. Major banks are heading into the jumbo segment, originating big loans at affordable rates — not to then sell to Wall Street bond traders but to keep in their own investment portfolios.

Bank of America, the country’s largest mortgage lender, is rolling out a large program to finance loans between about $730,000 and $1.5 million, with fixed 30-year rates starting in the upper 5% range. The loans will be available through the bank’s retail network and through its Countrywide Home Loans subsidiary. After April 27, Countrywide will be re-branded — shedding the name it’s had since 1969 — and morph into Bank of America Home Loans. Bank of America acquired Countrywide in 2008.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 07:29:23

Where is the government subsidy that will enable Megabank of America to roll out these mega-jumbo loans at a time when few qualified buyers even exist to utilize them?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 07:36:06

Can’t these bozos figure out that without the dubious benefit of Countryslide’s debaucherous underwriting standards, there will be very little demand for loans in the $500,000+ price range?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 07:56:02

“Bank of America’s new program requires hefty liquid resources – six months of principal, interest, property tax and insurance payments in reserve – plus fully documented income, solid credit scores, and a full appraisal.”

It sounds like a vanishingly small number of American households will qualify. Does it strike anyone else as odd that Megabank of America is rolling out a ‘large’ program to serve a market niche which would have already been small circa 2005 and which has suffered severe shrinkage since the asset price wealth effect went into reverse?

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Comment by takingbets
2009-03-22 08:47:56

prof. Bear, this new program at BofA might just be a ruse. When congress starts screaming about the banks not making mortgage loans available, they have something to point to showing otherwise. All the while knowing that very few will qualify. Makes sense to me.

 
Comment by hd74man
2009-03-22 10:28:36

RE: a full appraisal.”

The status of the current real property apraisal profession…

Welcome to Hell…Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter.

 
 
Comment by neuromance
2009-03-22 18:03:29

I checked a local bank’s requirements for loans, and 20% down seems to be the norm for jumbo’s (>417K). But interest rates are way down, 5.5-6%.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 07:42:16

Let me guess: Megabank of America will use lots of TARP injections to jump start its mega-jumbo lending program? If I were a small regional banker, I would be livid. Why should these corporate welfare recipients be given a huge competitive advantage funded with public monies to start up Son of Countrywide lending programs? Haven’t we already learned our lesson about how destructive the Countrywide business model was for the real estate sector? Calling it Bank of America Home Loans will fix nothing.

Comment by 45north
2009-03-22 20:20:52

Why should these corporate welfare recipients be given a huge competitive advantage

exactly what Bill said

my post never made it through - here it is again Meredith Whitney said the same thing that the medium sized banks should be given the public funds with which they can buy out the too-big-to-fail banks. Obama apologizes for the too-big-to-fail banks and then rewards them.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 07:51:35

Would this possibly be the start of a PPT-Megabank of America public-private partnership to prop up the value of homes in wealthy coastal communities? I want details…

Comment by scdave
2009-03-22 08:40:04

Exactly PB….Its kind of a “No Brainer” really…Get almost free money and then loan it out @ a 6% yeild…

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Comment by palmetto
2009-03-22 05:17:32

An FB story, tailor-made for HBBers!

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/apa/1071965718.html

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-03-22 07:24:49

Oh man, what a predicament. More evidence that landlording should be left to the pros/experienced. I’ll have to forward that to a friend that’s going the accidental landlord route.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-22 10:48:16

Landlording is a tough business, and have no doubt that it’s a business that provides a service, and gets paid for that service.

If well-run, you’ll make a profit no different from any other business. But only in America does the illusion run that all you have to do is sit back and let the benjamins flow in.

Of course, these Einsteins are learning that the hard way.

 
 
Comment by skroodle
2009-03-22 10:16:49

Turning off renters utilities will get you in trouble in a lot of states.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-03-22 11:29:18

Its Illegal for the landlord to turn off utilities, but if the electric/ water company does it…well that is a different story . The landlord has a legitimize defense, I’m broke because the tenants haven’t paid the rent.

The judge will probably demand the tenants pay the electric bill and deduct it from the rent owed.

 
 
Comment by rms
2009-03-22 10:47:28

There or Their or They’re?

These folks were an easy score by a ruthless REIC.

 
Comment by Big V
2009-03-22 13:08:04

Kewl.

Comment by robin
2009-03-22 19:32:20

Teir destined to loose money!

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-03-22 05:22:57

“The Fed has used up all its ammunition in the short-term T-bill market where the rate is only microscopically greater than zero, rendering the Fed helpless and impotent. A new bag of tricks is coming into play: the monetization of long-term government debt.”
~Antal Fekete

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-03-22 05:35:19

KANSAS CITY (Reuters) - Regulators worked on Saturday to assess troubles at the largest U.S. corporate credit union with the aim of keeping liquidity flowing through the nation’s 7,800 credit unions.

A new chief executive will take charge on Monday at U.S. Central Federal Credit Union following seizure by regulators on Friday. The institution, with $34 billion in assets, provides settlement services used by more than 90 percent of all U.S. credit unions, which are member-owned lending institutions.

The National Credit Union Administration, or NCUA, took control of U.S. Central as well as Western Corporate (WesCorp) Federal Credit Union of San Dimas, California, another corporate credit union with $23 billion in assets.

“We took action to protect the assets, the share insurance fund and its members,” NCUA regional director Keith Morton said in an interview from the Lenexa, Kansas, headquarters of U.S. Central, where he and other officials were working on Saturday.

NCUA officials cited declining values of mortgage- and other asset-backed securities as the core problem.

The action highlighted strains in the nonprofit banking sector that recently had been touted as a source of new lending even as many for-profit banks limit lending and receive billions of dollars of taxpayer-funded capital injections.

Corporate credit unions provide services such as lending and payment clearance services to retail credit unions.

NCUA officials would not disclose a specific loss figure for U.S. Central.

“They have a significant amount of risk … assets that are currently not marketable,” said Morton.

A NCUA risk analysis completed this month put potential credit losses throughout the credit union system as high as $16 billion, “with a most reasonable estimate in the current environment of $10.8 billion.”

SYSTEM BLINKING RED?

Warning signs had been mounting in recent months.

In February, U.S. Central said it replaced the executive who had been overseeing the credit union’s investment portfolio, putting the division under the direct supervision of then-CEO Francis Lee.

Lee himself will now be replaced on Monday by regulators with James

 
Comment by Muir
2009-03-22 05:42:49

U.S. to introduce plan for troubled mortgages
IHT

“The U.S. Treasury Department is expected in the coming week to roll out its long-delayed plan to buy as much as $1 trillion in troubled mortgages and related assets from financial institutions, according to people close to the talks.

The plan is likely to offer generous subsidies, in the form of low-interest loans, to coax investors to form partnerships with the government to buy toxic assets from banks.

The plan to be announced in the coming week involves three separate approaches. In one, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. will set up special-purpose investment partnerships and lend about 85 percent of the money that those partnerships will need to buy up troubled assets that banks want to sell.

In the second, the Treasury will hire four or five investment management firms, matching the private money that each of the firms puts up on a dollar-for-dollar basis with government money.

In the third piece, the Treasury plans to expand lending through the Term Asset-Backed Secure Lending Facility, a joint venture with the Federal Reserve.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 07:25:43

How many times is it possible to rescue troubled mortgages?

Comment by rms
2009-03-22 10:51:06

The trouble with tribbles mortgages!

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-03-22 17:28:52

Good question. Has one single plan actually been approved and executed?

 
 
Comment by measton
2009-03-22 19:40:14

So the very companies and Hedge Funds that have destroyed the economy will now be given free money from the gov to buy up the reckage with a partial guarantee that they won’t loose money.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-03-22 05:44:44

Just a tiny bit on the economy:

My red headed feminine friend from Canada spent the week of spring break here in NY. This is normally a deliberate shopping expedition for foodstuffs and clothes. She spent less than $20, because of price. She noted a number of things that seemed way too expensive and yesterday double checked about ten things at her store back home. On average, 30% lower sticker price in Ontario. Add to that the 20% currency spread in our favor. This is a huge shift.

For those non-border crossers out there, shopping in the US is supposed to be a great money saver for Canadians. Now it is not. She’ll be buying 12 big cans of Maxwell house coffee for me at $5 CAD ($4 US).

This relates to what FPSS said to me a ways back regarding Single Malt and the US/British exchange rate: It doesn’t matter the cost, it’s what the market will bear.

My conclusion is that we have a lot of pent up deflation in retail prices. More pain to come for retailers and everyone else in the food chain already baked in the cake.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-03-22 06:08:48

Well, if the little corner of eBay that I regularly track is any indication, at this point, there’s still wayyyyyy too many goods chasing far too little money.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-22 10:28:42

It doesn’t matter the cost, it’s what the market will bear.

A shockingly simple and obvious point that very few people grasp.

If you spend regularly on something imported that is very price elastic (foodstuff, for example, in my case), you can watch this in action.

The demand curves are tied to local incomes.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-03-22 12:10:02

“It doesn’t matter the cost, it’s what the market will bear.”

It is truly amazing how people don’t get this. My aunt was bellyaching about Obama and how “he’s going to raise corporate taxes ” (she’s a Repub), and how her company (overpriced baked goods) will have to raise it’s prices to account for it, and I said “won’t work”. She was adamant about it, but was having a hard time understanding the concept of supply and demand and how a rise in prices would kill demand.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-03-22 13:52:02

Wait a minute. She’s in business and doesn’t understand supply and demand?!

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-03-22 17:32:35

You’d be surprised at how many people are in business but don’t understand the basics.

“Impossible!” you say?

“AIG” ring a bell? REalturds? The list is long…

 
 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2009-03-22 06:16:10

“My conclusion is that we have a lot of pent up deflation in retail prices.”

My conclusion extends well beyond deflation of retail prices to include prices of most everything, including labor.

This Unwind has a ways to go yet, and after it has run its course the attitude of most people regarding borowing and spending will have shifted 180 degrees.

The attitudes of our grandparents will be reincarnated.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-03-22 06:53:39

“The attitudes of our grandparents will be reincarnated.”

Here’s my example of that “attitude.” My father (who would now be in his 90’s) worked a second, part time job for many years to supplement their savings, not their lifestyle. They paid off their 15 year mortgage in like 6 years and then lived in that house for over 40 years. They never “invested” a nickel, just CDs and treasuries, so they never lost a nickel. Family vacations were a trip to visit and stay with the grandparents once each year. Restaurant meals? Maybe once or twice a year on average.

They were able to live it up in retirement, and when the time came they had more than enough resources to live their final, declining years in a very nice progressive care (independent/assisted/nursing) facility.

 
Comment by jfp
2009-03-22 07:08:53

As someone who prefers to be a saver, I hope you’re correct. Being a saver hasn’t been as profitable as being a debtor in quite a while, what with all the government incentives for going into debt and inflation we’ve seen over the past twenty years.

 
Comment by scdave
2009-03-22 09:30:09

The attitudes of our grandparents will be reincarnated ??

Yep…Had that discussion with my two adult Son’s this morning…Its a reset of needs and expectations…

 
 
Comment by L. Opine
2009-03-22 10:11:27

Why on earth would anyone travel to buy one can of Maxwell coffee, much less five? I’d travel to get *away* from that stuff.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-03-22 10:51:27

We travel for sex. Coffee is just a perk.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2009-03-22 15:30:28

I sure wish I could find some of this deflation. I went out today to buy some weed-n-feed and the prices I saw are about 40% higher than last year. Even the generic stuff, which cost about $9 last year (5000 sq ft bag) was $13. I’ll pass this year.

 
 
Comment by Muir
2009-03-22 06:00:57

Author makes a case for deflation based on his observations that the economy is not a fiat economy, but rather, our economy is a credit economy.

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The Roving Cavaliers of Credit
Steve Keen

“Their empirical conclusion was just the opposite: rather than fiat money being created first and credit money following with a lag, the sequence was reversed: credit money was created first, and fiat money was then created about a year later:

Thus rather than credit money being created with a lag after government money, the data shows that credit money is created first, up to a year before there are changes in base money. This contradicts the money multiplier model of how credit and debt are created: rather than fiat money being needed to “seed” the credit creation process, credit is created first and then after that, base money changes.”

Thusly,

“1. Banks won’t create more credit money as a result of the injections of Base Money. Instead, inactive reserves will rise;

2. Creating more credit money requires a matching increase in debt—even if the money multiplier model were correct, what would the odds be of the private sector taking on an additional US$7 trillion in debt in addition to the current US$42 trillion it already owes?;

3. Deflation will continue because the motive force behind it will still be there—distress selling by retailers and wholesalers who are desperately trying to avoid going bankrupt; and

4. The macroeconomic process of deleveraging will reduce real demand no matter what is done, as Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer recently noted: “We’re certainly in the midst of a once-in-a-lifetime set of economic conditions. The perspective I would bring is not one of recession. Rather, the economy is resetting to lower level of business and consumer spending based largely on the reduced leverage in economy”.[9]

The only way that Bernanke’s “printing press example” would work to cause inflation in our current debt-laden would be if simply Zimbabwean levels of money were printed—so that fiat money could substantially repay outstanding debt and effectively supplant credit-based money.

Comment by combotechie
2009-03-22 07:10:10

Good find, Muir.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-22 11:00:46

fiat money could substantially repay outstanding debt and effectively supplant credit-based money.

Most of my money (and yours) would long before have gone into commodities were this to even be a credible threat on the horizon.

I dislike gold precisely because it is so easily manipulated, and a basket of commodities (agricultural + metal) would serve the purpose just as adequately.

 
 
Comment by Big V
2009-03-22 13:24:26

I think that sounds right.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2009-03-22 06:04:17

We’ve spoke about the lack of real borrower victims in news stories. Most of those going under turned out to be speculators or those who HELOCed and lived large. Many of the actual victims are stranded renters marooned by their landlords finances.

Well here are some real victims — people who put down real downpayments to buy NY area condos, had financing approved, had financing withdrawn, and had the developer seize their deposit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/22/realestate/22cov.html

They were victimized by the lack of a financing contingency clause in their contracts, which shows why almost everyone hires a lawyer for real estate transactions in NY. I guess they didn’t use lawyers. Big mistake.

While others put nothing down and are deciding to walk away, these folks don’t want to walk away and are being sent away.

Comment by Asparagus
2009-03-22 07:31:37

“We’ve spoke about the lack of real borrower victims in news stories. Most of those going under turned out to be speculators or those who HELOCed and lived large.”

Slightly OT,

It’s no wonder so many newspapers are failing. The “reporting” during the house bubble was sad. They completely missed the story. I think they forced too many people to the blogosphere that they will never get back.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-22 10:12:54

These people are beyond foolish. They are buying a $1M condo with virtually no income to back that up. I mean she is in HR and he’s an RE agent fer cryin’ out loud!

These are not “victims”. They are complete and utter fools.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-03-22 13:06:40

Exactly.

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Comment by robin
2009-03-22 19:51:10

Nice greenbelt in the background, though. Especially the Tot Lot - :)

 
 
 
Comment by 45north
2009-03-22 20:45:25

It’s no wonder so many newspapers are failing. The “reporting” during the house bubble was sad. They completely missed the story.
interesting

 
 
Comment by Joe Schmoe
2009-03-22 07:45:55

These people are still victims of their own foolishness. While it is true that they brought substantial cash down payments to the table, the couple who appears in the article obviously have no business buying a $1,000,000 condominium in Hoboken, New Jersey. (BTW, the article notes that the 10% down was bubble equity extracted from their current condo, plus a little bit of cash.)

They are in their late 30’s, with two very small children. He is a real estate agent, and she is a “benefits manager at a professional services firm.” His commission-based income is unstable (the article notes that since the crash, it has dwindled to almost nothing); hers is modest; and they are obviously leveraging themselves to the nth degree.

Even if these people had been able to purchase the $1,000,000 condo, things still would have ended badly. One misstep — six slow months at the RE office, a job loss, an accident or illness — and they’re toast. And one of more of these things is almost certain to happen in the next few years; we’re not talking about being struck by lightning or attacked by a shark here.

Also, these people have obviously thought very little about the future. In just two and one-half years, it will be time to send their eldest to school. Where will the children attend school? They are obviously stretched too thin to pay for private schools. Are the Hoboken public schools any good? The Wikipedia entry on the Hoboken Public Schools suggests that they are not. Have the couple given any thought to this? Their foolish actions suggest pretty clearly that the answer is no.

The apartment itself evidences poor planning too. It’s a $959,000, two-bedroom, high-rise apartment. No backyard. No swing set. No guest bedroom. In a heavily urban setting. You can raise kids in a place like that, especially when they are under 5, but when they are older it is good to either have a backyard or live in an urban neighborhood that has the things children need, like other kids to play with, a good selection of public parks, childrens’ sports leagues, piano teachers, etc. The couple obviously didn’t give any thought to this, or if they did they probably figured that in a couple of years it would be time to “cash out” even more bubble equity (as the market continues to rise ever upward) and move to a $2,000,000 SFH.

Finally, the decision is foolish because even if they’d been otherwise responsible, they could have gotten substantially more house for substantially less money. My grandmother used to live in Mendham, and realtor.com shows that you can get an awfully nice house there, in a neighborhood with excellent public schools, for $450k. Granted, Mendham requires a longer commute. Also, it’s pretty rural-ish, so maybe that’s not your thing. But while I am no expert on NJ real estate, I think we all know that even during the peak of the bubble years you could have done a lot better than a $1,000,000 2BR(!) condo in Hoboken.

Comment by whyoung
2009-03-22 08:13:09

“And one of more of these things is almost certain to happen in the next few years; we’re not talking about being struck by lightning or attacked by a shark here.”

Well said…

Also, to me one of the more interesting things in NYC in the last few years is now the increasing cool factor of Brooklyn has “broken” a bit of the mystique of living in Manhattan. Once the “cool people” got priced out they had to rationalize the situation by creating a myth of a “New Bohemia” in Brooklyn and pushing prices in sketchy areas to absurd heights.

 
 
Comment by whyoung
2009-03-22 08:04:59

I think a lot of these people had no clue what a financing contingency in a contract is… not on their radar at all at the time most of them signed.

People got caught up in the mania and didn’t do any due diligence or thinking about any scenarios other than “real estate always goes up”.

I showed co-workers old NY Times articles about the drop in NYC prices in the early 1990’s and they still said “real estate doesn’t go down” and bought anyway, right at the peak.

Not a gloom and doomer here, in the long run this will be good for my beloved NYC.

Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-03-22 08:30:38

People got caught up in the mania and didn’t do any due diligence or thinking about any scenarios other than “real estate always goes up”.

As I first read this article, I felt sorry for at least some of these erstwhile homeowners (not the dingleberry RE agent or the doctor).

Ultimately, though, you’re correct — they didn’t put in a contingency clause, they didn’t do their due diligence, and they’re still willing to pay outrageous prices for (mostly) Manhattan real estate.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-22 10:53:41

Sorry, Hoboken is not Manhattan all the blather to the contrary notwithstanding.

Anyone who has taken the PATH knows that you’d jet down faster from Greenwich, CT to your job near Grand Central than taking the PATH and two changes of subway.

NYC distances are determined by times on public transportations not the physical distance between two entities.

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Comment by JimboAC
2009-03-22 12:24:59

My soon-to-be 22-year old son had a good sense of thrift instilled in him. I can’t take much credit for it, though; it’s more attributable to my ex, his mother. Anyway, he’s in his last semester of college and, with some buddies, did the Hoboken St. Pat’s parade two weeks ago. I caught up with him by phone on Monday; asked if he had fun at the parade. He said it was alright. He was a little ticked, though, because cops were strictly enforcing no drinking on parade route ordinance, and this forced revelers to go into bars and buy drinks– and drink them– there. Only problem was the bars were charging $25 admission to get in. Talk about short-sighted, killing the goose that lays the proverbial golden eggs. My son left Hoboken with a bitter taste in his mouth and has no interest in going back. Way to go!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Blano
2009-03-22 10:00:53

“They were victimized by the lack of a financing contingency clause in their contracts, which shows why almost everyone hires a lawyer for real estate transactions in NY. I guess they didn’t use lawyers. Big mistake.”

I gotta disagree that they are “victims.” A financing contingency is one of the most basic clauses to protect oneself. Homebuying 101. A no-brainer.

And if they didn’t hire anyone to assist either, what they are were naive and ignorant, if not dumb and now unfortunately they’re paying for it, literally.

 
Comment by WT Economist
2009-03-22 10:49:16

“While it is true that they brought substantial cash down payments to the table, the couple who appears in the article obviously have no business buying a $1,000,000 condominium in Hoboken, New Jersey. (BTW, the article notes that the 10% down was bubble equity extracted from their current condo, plus a little bit of cash.)”

That’s the thing, they aren’t buying a $1 million condo. They are buying a $400-$500K condo for $1 million, and the 10% they put down should have been equal to 20%.

 
Comment by Anon In DC
2009-03-22 10:57:13

Hi. I read the orignal article last night. These people are not “victims” They were either dumb or greedy or both. They tried buying condos WAY BEYOND their means. They’re acutally going to come out ahead since they won’t be able “to buy” (that is take on more debt than than they can possibly handle) the condos.

Comment by robin
2009-03-22 19:56:44

Even my wife pointed out that by losing their $90k deposit to Robert Toll they were better off than being underwater by $400k or more upon occupancy. Ahhh….. Hoboken. A world-class destination (my Mom is from NJ.)

 
 
Comment by Big V
2009-03-22 13:26:10

Everyone uses a financing contingency. EVERYONE! Everyone knows that.

Comment by mikey
2009-03-22 18:34:30

or a lowball cash offer, plus additional discount for the 30 day cash close…and any and all additional reasonable non-deal killing contingencies, subject to review and approval by your RE attorney proir to your contract signing ;)

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 07:19:15

I have several questions regarding “how this mess could have happened”:

1) Who was responsible for establishing this policy of free financial crisis insurance for firms that are deemed too-big-to-fail?

2) Which of the subprime mortgage lending kingpins wrote loans which they knew would blow up as a deliberate financial time bomb strategy, realizing that they would qualify for massive largess from the Treasury when the bad underwriting scheme blew up?

3) Were politicians like Dudd and Fwank in on the deal?

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-03-22 11:19:53

4) Were any Repubs in on the deal?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-03-22 17:46:51

I can answer number 2: Countrywide.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 07:33:26

San Diego Union-Tribune
DEAN CALBREATH
Breaking up money-pit behemoths is necessary
2:00 a.m. March 22, 2009

Over the past two weeks, Americans have been increasingly outraged about the $165 million in bonuses that financial giant AIG paid its executives, many of whom helped create the financial debacle that has pushed the world economy to the brink of depression.

The public is right to be irate. AIG’s argument that these bonuses are somehow sacrosanct because they are contractual obligations comes at a time when autoworkers, state workers and even journalists have had their pay and benefits slashed despite previous contracts or assurances.

But the truly outrageous part of this affair is not the bonuses. Instead, it is the fact that we taxpayers have spent an estimated $170 billion – roughly a thousand times as much as those bonuses – to keep this ailing behemoth alive, as part of the $1 trillion or so that we’ve spent bailing out Wall Street.

We have spent this money because top regulators and politicians have determined that AIG, Citigroup and a coterie of other Wall Street financial firms are “too big to fail” – or 2B2F in Twitter-speak – meaning they are so big that if they collapsed, it could lead to financial Armageddon.

AIG alone has a portfolio of derivatives nominally valued at $1.7 trillion, including hundreds of billions of dollars in risky mortgage-backed securities. And that’s after some intense slimming. When the bailout began last year, AIG’s derivatives totaled $2.7 trillion, roughly the equivalent of the gross domestic product of the United Kingdom, the fifth-largest economy in the world.

Imagine the financial earthquake that would happen if England declared bankruptcy and you’ve got a good picture of what would have happened if AIG suddenly went belly up. Even now, its derivatives are nominally worth more than the economies of Canada, Brazil or Russia, as measured by the World Bank.

How did AIG, Citigroup and the other derivatives-swollen monsters on Wall Street get so big?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 07:58:34

If it were not for Calbreath, I am pretty sure I would have canceled my dead tree subscription to the SD Union-Tribune by now. Keep up the great work!

Comment by mrktMaven
2009-03-22 11:21:01

End 2B2F Ponzimonium!

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 13:46:46

International Business Times Finance
Five Steps to Tackle ‘Too-Big-to-Fail’ Problem: Bernanke
By Jeremy Wright
20 March 2009 @ 03:58 pm EST

A top priority for policy makers considering financial reform should be addressing the “too-big-to-fail” issue, Federal Reserve chief Ben Bernanke said on Friday, suggesting five fronts policy makers should look at.

Bernanke said on Friday that small banks were understandably angry about Wall Street bailouts, and called for a better way of allowing huge financial firms to fail.

Policy makers should pay “especially close” attention to systemically important non-bank financial institutions, encourage long-term compensation policies, set framework for non-bank financial firms, improve the financial infrastructure and gain the capacity to wind down non-bank institutions in a safe way.

“The problem of too-big-to-fail is extremely serious,” he said today in Phoenix, Ariz. at the Independent Community Bankers of America’s National Convention and Techworld.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 19:10:32

Hernando Today
A Publication of the Tampa Tribune
Credo Should Be: ‘Too Big To Succeed’
By DOMENICK J. MAGLIO
Neo Traditionalist
Published: March 12, 2009

Taking money from taxpayers to bailout international companies strips freedom from all citizens. Our economic system has always been based on winners and losers — not entitlements. Anointing certain international companies or other special groups to succeed and others to fail is un-American.

The United States Constitution has granted the freedom of all people to fail or succeed by their own actions, unlike the more aristocratic societies of Europe. In these nations, social status determining success is established at birth. There is no mention in our Constitution that home values will always rise, that gambling on the stock market will always be profitable or large companies will always remain on top.

“Too big to fail” is impractical, illogical and contrary to everything that has made America the land of opportunity. In the U.S. people and enterprises move up and down the economic ladder according to the merit of their performance, not on their lobbyist’s connections or their size. Every citizen has been given a chance to compete on a more or less level playing field. The rules have been: The better product and organization wins.

 
 
Comment by varelse
2009-03-22 07:40:34

So is it time to buy gold yet? What ought a guy be doing with his modest life savings at this point? Putting it under the mattress won’t work if there is massive devaluation of the dollar.

Comment by combotechie
2009-03-22 07:52:06

Look around you and take notice of what you see. Do you see a massive devaluation of the dollar?

That’s not what I see.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-03-22 09:16:12

There is a lot of price deflation. House prices coming way down. That’s the elephant under the rug. However at the same time is huge monetary inflation. That is, the inflation hasn’t seeped into the general prices…yet.

Comment by combotechie
2009-03-22 09:42:22

“That is, the inflation hasn’t seeped into the general prices…yet.”

But with jobs being cut, with wages being cut, with consumers now saving instead of spending, where’s all this inflating money going to come from?

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Comment by in Colorado
2009-03-22 10:16:28

Government spending? 2 Trillion dollar deficits?

 
Comment by varelse
2009-03-22 10:35:48

The printing press.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-22 10:54:54

The press may print but that doesn’t get money into the hands of the “consumers”.

An obvious point which must’ve been taught at MIT on the day that Ber-spanky cut class.

 
Comment by in Colorado
2009-03-22 12:11:16

Money doesn’t have to get into the hands of the “consumers”. They had near hyperinflation in Mexico for almost 10 years, and let me tell you, the average “consumer” there was broke. Gov’t spending alone can make inflation happen quite easily.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-22 13:38:31

Really?!?

So what seems to be the problem. What exactly are the PTB waiting for?

 
Comment by mikey
2009-03-22 13:44:29

People aren’t out buying houses. They’re not at Disneyworld or on trips on to southern Spain!

They were ALL in my grocery store. Carts were FULL. The two carts in front of me were a couple,with a bill for $349.56 and lots of choice cuts. CASH and not one coupon. They must have a hungry platoon of small marines stached away someplace.

What a zoo today, you’d have thought that the old USSR was back and had just planted a new bunch of shiny Ruskie ICBMs in Cuba :(

 
Comment by In Colorado
2009-03-22 15:34:34

So what seems to be the problem. What exactly are the PTB waiting for?

Be patient. It takes time to spend the $1.8T deficit.

 
Comment by measton
2009-03-22 19:49:58

I suspect there was inflation in Mexico was because most people have enough money to pay for food a few clothes or housing. They debased the currency and thus those items increased in price. I suspect demand for other goods crashed, but other parts of the world, especially their northern neighbor, were continueing to consume. I see falling demand around the globe this time.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-03-22 10:43:58

http://www.marketskeptics.com/2008/12/how-deflation-creates-hyperinflation.html

“It is no accident that many of the worst periods of hyperinflation are preceded by deflation. In fiat currencies with high levels of government debt, severe cases of deflation cause a loss of confidence in the nation’s currency by shrinking the economy and making the government’s debt appear increasingly unsustainable. The loss of confidence then causes the flow of money to speed up as individuals become desperate to exchange cash for real goods as fast as possible, producing hyperinflation.”

“As an example of deflation leading to hyperinflation, consider the case of the Weimar Republic. In 1920, Germany experienced a deflationary collapse, with the average citizen finding it harder and harder to get enough money for necessities. Banks, short of money, could not honor checks, and businesses were strapped for cash to buy materials and meet payroll. Fearing a collapse that would throw millions of workers out on the street, the German government desperately printed money in an attempt to re-inflate the economy. During this period, despite the government’s money printing, the mark actually gained in value against foreign currencies, so that prices of imported goods fell by some 50%.”

“Eventually, as a result of the money supply’s rapid expansion, the nation’s massive foreign debt, and the shrinking economy, German citizens lost all confidence in their currency, and the Weimar Republic experienced one of the worst cases of hyperinflation in modern economic history.”

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-22 11:27:16

They were on a (pseudo-) gold standard not a credit-based currency.

So just like you can’t be half-pregnant, you can only go off the gold standard once!

 
 
Comment by Big V
2009-03-22 13:32:40

The usdx chart does not exactly confirm your theory, BiLA.

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Comment by varelse
2009-03-22 10:34:47

Not yet…..but isn’t that the plan? Build up a massive debt and pay it off with near worthless dollars down the line?

Comment by Eudemon
2009-03-22 12:06:18

I would imagine that’s the plan for Social Security, Medicare, Diapercare and all the rest.

You’ll get your Social Security money all right - worth two or three pennies on the dollar.

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Comment by mrktMaven
2009-03-22 11:37:20

There is overcapacity in housing — Malinvestment. As a result, there is overcapacity in autos, overcapacity in furniture, overcapacity in retail space, overcapacity in commodities, overcapacity in labor, overcapacity in lumber, granite counters, doors, plumbing, refrigerators, carpet, tiles, and on and on.

Beat inflation or catch more of the dollars flying through the air.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 07:45:08

San Diego Union-Tribune
Not a banner year
Real estate downturn hurting sign company that caters to building industry
By Roger Showley
Union-Tribune Staff Writer
2:00 a.m. March 22, 2009

Tonantzi Cadena of Motivational Systems Inc. in National City worked on a project for an orthodontist. From a peak of 580 employees two years ago, the company’s staff is down to 160. (John Gibbins / Union-Tribune)

Jessie Gonzales (left) and Miguel Solario assembled a topographical display project at Motivational Systems’ National City complex. (John Gibbins / Union-Tribune)

It’s a sign of the times at Motivational Systems Inc.

The National City company is one of the nation’s leading sign makers for the building industry, working on architectural models, banners and sales-office complexes. But with real estate in the doldrums, the company is coping with a big drop-off in demand.

From a peak of 580 employees two years ago, the Motivational Systems staff is down to 160. Sales are off two-thirds from a high of $6 million per month, and replacement work includes jobs in China and Panama.

“Without a doubt, this (downturn) for my business and anybody associated with the building industry is probably the sharpest,” said President Bob Young, 62, who founded the company in a one-car garage in Mission Hills in 1975.

“If this was a 1,000-foot cliff, the first 850 feet were straight down. Now we seem to be catching our breath. Business is leveling out. I’d like to think we’ve reached the level of sales we can maintain for the next year, year and a half, and make it through this thing.”

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-03-22 07:45:48

I looked up open houses for 3 and 4 bed single family homes in the Palm Beach Post this AM for Jupiter, Tequesta, Palm Beach Gardens and Royal Palm Beach. I found one, yes one. I looked up houses for sale on Realtor.com using the same criteria and I found 2,966
2 years ago in the same area you couldn`t drive by 2 streets without seeing balloons and open house signs.

Comment by Chip
2009-03-22 13:56:32

I see pretty much the same in central FL. Guess nobody is willing to pay anyone to sit in those houses, waiting for customers.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 07:48:32

There has never been a better time to rent a foreclosure home!

New hotline for tenants caught up in foreclosure
By Emmet Pierce
Union-Tribune Staff Writer
2:00 a.m. March 22, 2009

Tenants Together, a nonprofit organization that advocates for renter rights, has launched a hotline to help people who face eviction because their rental units are in foreclosure.

The displacement of tenants from foreclosed properties without adequate time to find a new home is a growing problem in California, said Dean Preston, the group’s executive director. A single foreclosure filing on a rental building can affect dozens of households.

“Innocent tenants are paying a steep price for the mortgage mess,” said a statement released by the organization. “Tenants face evictions and poor housing conditions across the state as a result of foreclosures.”

Tenants Together is based in San Francisco. The hotline, (415) 495-8012, is staffed by trained volunteers, including a team of law students.

While foreclosures end most leases, tenants in California are generally entitled to a 60-day notice to vacate in foreclosure situations, said San Diego tenants rights attorney Steven Kellman.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-03-22 08:12:22

I think we should set up our own FB hotline, with advice like “please don’t vote, breed, or drive, you moron.”

 
Comment by Reuven
2009-03-22 10:13:46

I think they have a valid point. It’s risky to rent anything other than a professionally managed rental apartment in an existing rental building. Renting someone’s condo or house, unless you’re prepared to move on a moment’s notice, is likely to leave you out on a limb.

And, many people are taking advantage of the foreclosure delays (either procedural or mandated by law) to collect rent for a few month and simply pocket it.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 08:37:30

Does this program sound to anyone else like a scheme to prop up the prices of high-end coastal housing? I keep hearing politicians talk about the problem of affordable housing provision, but as soon as Mr Market gets serious about delivering it, myriad behind-the-scenes efforts are mobilized to prevent economic gravity from having its natural effect on making home prices more affordable.

When will top leaders in gubmint make up their minds about whether or not they really want affordable housing? You can’t have it both ways — d’oh!

Comment by takingbets
2009-03-22 09:21:51

From what I saw during the mania of this bubble, alot of morons here in Bakersfield were going in together to purchase homes along the coast. Now that bakersfried’s economy is crashing hard the last of the holders of these properties will have to let go. How will they be able to keep those prices from falling? I just don’t see it, we have a long way to go yet.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 11:08:10

I hope Megabank of America (1) makes foolish jumbo loans which end up deeply underwater after the Alt-A and prime ARM resets crush the high end, (2) the loans drill holes in the asset column of their balance sheet, and (3) they can’t garner enough crocodile tears from CONgress or administration officials to qualify for bailout money to compensate them for the losses.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 11:47:17

Will the Fed/Treasury wait for Moody’s to finish downgrading jumbo mortgage MBS before they start buying them off banks’ balance sheets? Because otherwise, I would think there would be a very high risk of overpaying.

Forbes dot com
Market Scan
Mortgage Defaults Go Large
Peter C. Beller, 03.19.09, 11:37 PM EDT
Moody’s says ‘jumbo’ mortgages will suffer bigger than expected losses.
03/20/2009 4:03PM ET

The conventional wisdom used to be that well-off people with good credit buy big houses and rarely lose them to financial troubles. Now even the wealthy are starting to default on their mortgages, and the owners of a quarter-trillion dollars in bonds backed by their loans could suffer dearly.

Credit-rating agency Moody’s said Thursday it expects much bigger losses on so-called “jumbo” mortgages than its previous forecasts. The big loans, typically over $417,000 and reserved for people with good credit, were packaged into bonds, sliced into different risk categories and sold to banks and institutional investors. Moody’s says it will downgrade many of the bonds and that junior issues, which absorb defaults before the senior ones, will probably be worth nothing.

The loans in question originated in only the last three years , when home prices peaked in many of nation’s hottest real estate markets. The estimated losses reflect how much people paid for their homes at the time. For 2005, Moody’s says losses will reach 1.7%, rising to 5.1% for loans made in 2007 and 6.2% for the 2008 vintage. Moody’s says it will review, and possibly downgrade, bonds backed by $241 billion of jumbo mortgages. Some of the most senior, and safest, slices will keep their investment-grade ratings, which is important since many institutional investors restrict their holdings to only those with high ratings. But the fate of bondholders is tied to when the securities were created. Seven out of 10 senior bonds from 2005 will stay investment-grade compared to only 20% for the 2007 batch, Moody’s said.

For jumbo loans that go into default, Moody’s estimates investors will suffer losses of 40% of the mortgage’s original value. To make matters worse, the agency said, its economists expect home prices to drop another 11% by the end of the year and unemployment to top out at 9.8%.

BTW, 40 percent of $730,000 = $292,000.

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Comment by Chip
2009-03-22 14:00:44

I wonder how much of it is the jumbo-debtor’s rational assessment of the present value of their “asset” and then walking away. I’d think that for many, their credit score will return a lot sooner than the vaporized equity.

 
Comment by measton
2009-03-22 19:58:03

I can’t believe anyone in California or other non recourse states wouldn’t just pack up and walk away.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by laurel, md
2009-03-22 08:49:37

Local market observation.
Yesterday I went biking through my neighborhood. Still not that many houses for sale. One house had a “under contract” sub sign on the for sale sign. I looked at the literature box….”asking $300K”. At the height this house would have sold for $435k. It is a two story with 2 car garage, 45 year old, modernized, big lot, quiet, pretty street, well maintained.
We live in the adjacent 35 year old subivision. At the height our house model was selling for $385k..so now maybe for $250k. This area is commutable and MARC train, to DC and Baltimore. However it is in Prince Georges Co.

 
Comment by not a gator
2009-03-22 09:00:22

Guys, I need some advice.

My union local has been without a hall for a year. We previously paid about $600/mo rent PLUS $100/mo (or more) utilities PLUS over $100/mo telephone svcs. Obviously this was unsustainable.

Some history: originally, we were subletting the space to a small business owned by a co-worker’s spouse, but that business grew and had to find its own space. And before that we had a space for free in the Carpenter’s Hall, but some of our wonderful local members messed that up for us by abusing their privileges in the building.

Right now we are renting storage space for our records (non climate controlled–and this is Florida) for $85/mo. We are at the mercy of the public library to have a private meeting space. (In March they bumped us for a board meeting and then didn’t tell us … we ended up not having a meeting.) This runs us into a situation of violating international rules that we must have the records available for any member to view at any time AND to have monthly meetings.

I would like some commercial space pretty close to downtown. Heroic efforts since 1990’s have improved value of these spaces because they were once worth about zilch. There’s this one “ghetto-tastic” building that sells overpriced brand name clothes/shoes that has stayed in business while others churn and I’m convinced it’s because (now I don’t know this–never asked) they’ve owned that building since the early 1980’s. Basically, we could afford a building or condo in the $30-40k range. I think prices will return there. (Saw a screaming ad a little further out for office space at $200/mo this week.)

Problems: some union locals have lost their buildings due to malfeasance by elected officers. Would it be better to have a separate entity (set up as a charity) hold title to the building and use it as a pass through for the local’s mortgage payments?

Who will lend to the local? What if I bought the building, then wrote a sort of lease-to-buy hard money contract on the building… if local gets cruddy mgmt again and stops paying, then I take the building back, lose nothing… right?

Downpayment. Possible to save up for one but local needs to save up money in case of legal action first–we prolly need about $10k just for starters. No, seriously. (We are still in debt but I got it from $8500 to only $2100–go me.)

I want to do the right thing here, and I want to help the union out without giving them money in a way they will just waste it (as on cell phones for officers–RIDICULOUS) and without putting my own household at risk.

I don’t even know what a union (reg. non profit) must pay in prop taxes or what the comm prop taxes are like around here (except on MF rentals). I know churches pay nada–maybe I can incorporate as 1st Fla Ch of the Subgenius. Obviously I’ll hire a lawyer to set this up if I’m serious about it.

Oh, and dues income is $2100/mo, but must pay $700 to the international, so net is about $1400.

Comment by combotechie
2009-03-22 09:38:22

Try looking into chruches for a meeting hall to hold your meetings, maybe even to store your documents.

 
Comment by skroodle
2009-03-22 10:25:57

You should get the Carpenters to build you a hall.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-03-22 20:28:48

Did you say… Subgenius?!

PB!

 
 
Comment by skroodle
2009-03-22 09:45:18

“In the end, they financed the purchase of eight smoke alarms for their single wide at a cost of $2,629″

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/article985946.ece

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-22 10:34:36

It’s like a regular chumpfest out there.

And what did I do before I had this board for my daily dose of schadenfreude?!?

Retail: $20
“Special”: $350

It makes sense that this is in Florida though. All that retiree pile of money must attract more than your share of wheeler-dealers.

Wherever there’s a pile of money, people will want a piece of it. That’s why the HELOC was invented to “liberate” people from their equity.

 
 
Comment by But It's Different Here!
2009-03-22 11:21:49

apologies if already posted, but it’s a good detailed list of the shops that have closed along the Upper West Side Broadway in NYC -

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175049/a_second_9_11_in_slow_motion

Comment by Don't Know Nothin About Buyin No House
2009-03-22 12:19:49

Decent seats for West Side Story are still far from reasonable. People are desperate for entertainment and pay a premium I suppose.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-22 12:56:21

Well, they can’t cut their prices fast enough because their fixed costs are killing them so they end up losing business.

Same for restaurants.

 
Comment by Sagesse
2009-03-22 13:21:17

This musical had very good reviews. And there may be a revival of interest in its topic.

 
 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-22 12:28:44

Thanks for this.

I see the same phenomenon. There are store fronts that have been shuttered for the better part of two years.

But if you look at the stores, there’s absolutely nothing there that is essential. It’s all knick-knackery or one-offs or pricey restaurants with little value-for-money. And nobody needs that.

This is precisely what happens in a powerfully deflationary environment.

 
Comment by Sagesse
2009-03-22 13:33:12

Most of the independent shoe stores have closed on W 8th. In one of the last remaining (Italian imports - quality way above dep. store junk, prices much lower), the owner told me how lucrative that little hole in the wall had been, at one time, and what FUN her business had been. (Forget the independent footwear retailers on 6th and Lexington, midtown.) Who was it that wanted to turn Manhattan into Disney…see how the soul was driven out.

 
 
Comment by tresho
2009-03-22 11:36:13

Opinion: “The Obama administration should seriously consider granting resident status to foreigners who buy surplus houses in this country…Granting permanent resident status to foreigners who buy houses in this country will curtail a primary driver of the deepening recession and financial crises — excess house inventories and the resulting collapse of prices. Since the people who will buy these houses will tend to have money, education, skills and entrepreneurial talents, they will be substantial assets to America in both the short and long runs.” - LeFrak & Shilling

Comment by skroodle
2009-03-22 11:59:44

I could totally see it back fire as thousands of foreigners buy $1,000 houses in Detroit to gain residency papers.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-22 12:31:01

DUH!!! What would you do in that situation?

Buy the house, get the cards, hand the house back to the city or “donate it to charity” for $0.01.

This can’t work either in the short-term or the long-term.

 
Comment by measton
2009-03-22 20:01:18

Or they repeatedly sell the same house to one another for $1000. You could see houses changing hands 10,000 times in one year. I might reply to a few of those Nigerian email scams to see if I can drum up some interest.

 
 
Comment by nhz
2009-03-22 13:42:56

“Since the people who will buy these houses will tend to have money”

Really? maybe in the US now, but certainly not in Europe. Those who are still buying buy with OPM; I don’t doubt they are willing to buy some more US homes when the EU governments open the credit spigots a bit more. And regarding the entrepreneurial skills, I think they are of the wrong flavor. Unless of course you want to have even more deadbeats in the USSA …

In a Dutch TV show (a discussion about bailouts and bonuses for financial companies, and who has to pay for them) two days ago some Dutchies were discussing buying a third (or fourth) home in the Miami area. A well-known Dutch realtor warned them that they had to act very quickly, because the bottom is in in the US.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 11:51:23

UPDATE 2-Moody’s may cut $241 billion jumbo mortgage debt
Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:58pm EDT
Market News
Wall St Week Ahead: Investors banking on toxic-asset plan
Dollar caps worst week in 24 years

* Moody’s calls credit deterioration unprecedented

* Junk ratings possible for some debt

* Shares of Hudson City Bancorp, a jumbo specialist, fall (Adds S&P downgrade, Freddie Mac mortgage rates)

By Jonathan Stempel

NEW YORK, March 19 (Reuters) - In a move reflecting widening stress in the U.S. housing market, Moody’s Investors Service said on Thursday it may downgrade $240.7 billion of securities backed by prime-quality “jumbo” U.S. residential mortgages because defaults will be higher than expected.

Jumbo mortgages are typically larger than $417,000, and go to borrowers with good credit. But Moody’s said in the last six months, there have been “substantial increases in serious delinquencies and decreases in prepayment rates, levels that are unprecedented in this asset class.”

Moody’s said it may downgrade 4,988 classes of jumbo residential mortgage-backed securities with an outstanding balance of $173.3 billion, versus the original $240.7 billion.

The securities under review are backed by U.S. home loans issued between 2005 and 2008. Moody’s had late last year downgraded $110 billion of securities issued in 2006 and 2007, almost all of which had originally been rated “Aaa.”

In a separate action Thursday, Standard & Poor’s downgraded 163 classes of jumbo mortgage debt issued in 2006 and 2007.

Moody’s said it now expects cumulative losses of 1.7 percent for 2005 securitizations, 3.55 percent for 2006, 5.05 percent for 2007 and 6.20 percent for 2008.

Downgrades can force some investors to sell the debt, and increase capital strains on banks and insurers that own it.

In the fourth quarter, the top 50 U.S. banks added $109 billion of mortgage debt, although most was not jumbo mortgage debt, Barclays Capital said. Falling mortgage rates could spur an increased supply of jumbo mortgage securities, it said.

The average 30-year mortgage rate this week fell below 5 percent for the first time since January, mortgage financier Freddie Mac (FRE.P) said.

JUNK POSSIBLE

Comment by Chip
2009-03-22 14:06:43

I wonder how much of this ratings-cutting is happening *after* the debt has been flogged off on Fannie and Freddie.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 14:21:13

I don’t see how Fannie and Freddie can eat debt that is 40 pct or so underwater, like much of the California jumbo-loaned housing is about now. Perhaps with the help of the Fed and Treasury, lenders can offload their toxic debt before price discovery reveals how far its value has fallen?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 14:23:03

Technically, F&F cannot eat jumbos, but I am reasonably sure that a primary purpose behind expanding the conforming loan limit from $417K to $729K in “high priced” markets was to circumvent this rule.

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Comment by Chip
2009-03-22 14:59:34

“Perhaps with the help of the Fed and Treasury, lenders can offload their toxic debt before price discovery reveals how far its value has fallen?”

That’s been my assumption, but I have no idea how to prove it except house-by-house, mortgage by mortgage. We saw a pretty good example on a recent foray into Georgia. Bad 417K first from Countrywide, 86K piggyback from Countrywide, never occupied, loan flogged to Freddie Mac. Can’t imagine how many of those are out there.

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Comment by jay
2009-03-22 11:58:37

the fed now buying long term treasuries to drive rates low, sounds like a repeat on a much larger scale than what greenspan did! and, now 1 trillion more to buy up the toxic assests in the public/private deal. there is so much cash being spent on this and that, I am sure although we are in deflation soon enough inflation will take off! is is smart to keep all ones assets in dollars, what to do with cash?? i’m waiting to hear from the bank on my 77k offer on the house! i expect they will take a few days to see if others offer more.

Comment by Don't Know Nothin About Buyin No House
2009-03-22 12:29:23

Yes, time for us renters to choose our poison. Buy property now and loose 30% on your property resale value over next several years. Don’t buy and loose 30% on your cash buying power over next three years due to gov intervention and false propping up of RE markets. This really bites.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-03-22 12:47:37

How can you have your cake and eat it too in this negative sense? You want to buy a house, which you say will drop in dollar price, yet you are afriad at the same time that the dollars will be worth less.

In terms of what?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-22 13:01:30

I was going for the metaphor of sh*t your cake and eat it too in this context!

Exactly, the two statements contradict each other.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 12:02:16

Wife & I attended our son’s annual middle school auction (fundraiser) last night. For a school with upwards of 1000 students, there were maybe 30 couples in attendance. As a representative example of how the auction went, one of the items auctioned live was a Baja Mexico luxury resort vacation package “valued at $3000.” It sold to the highest bidder for $700.

Got vacation deflation?

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-03-22 12:40:07

It’s a sign of the times?:

More women needing cash go from jobless to topless
Sunday March 22, 2:07 pm ET
By Karen Hawkins, Associated Press Writer
From jobless to topless: As economy worsens, more women give strip clubs, adult films a try.

CHICAGO (AP) — As a bartender and trainer at a national restaurant chain, Rebecca Brown earned a couple thousand dollars in a really good week. Now, as a dancer at Chicago’s Pink Monkey gentleman’s club, she makes almost that much in one good night.

The tough job market is prompting a growing number of women across the country to dance in strip clubs, appear in adult movies or pose for magazines like Hustler.

Employers across the adult entertainment industry say they’re seeing an influx of applications from women who, like Brown, are attracted by the promise of flexible schedules and fast cash. Many have college degrees and held white-collar jobs until the economy soured.

“You’re seeing a lot more beautiful women who are eligible to do so many other things,” said Gus Poulos, general manager of New York City’s Sin City gentleman’s club. He said he got 85 responses in just one day to a recent job posting on Craigslist.

The transition to the nightclub scene isn’t always a smooth one — from learning to dance in five-inch heels to dealing with the jeers of some customers.

Some performers said they were initially so nervous that only alcohol could calm their nerves.

“It is like giving a speech, but instead of imagining everyone naked, you’re the one who’s naked,” Brown, 29, said.

Eva Stone, a 25-year-old dancer at the Pink Monkey, said dealing with occasional verbal abuse from patrons requires “a thick skin.”

Comment by Chip
2009-03-22 14:08:13

And where is the EEOC on this one?

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-03-22 14:36:04

Dang right Chip. I want to see good looking men strutting their stuff and putting up with crap from women. Woohoo

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-22 17:24:18

You live in SF, fer cryin’ out loud!!! ;-)

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Comment by Jon
2009-03-23 09:47:05

And the sad part is men would do it for free and women still wouldn’t show up!

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Comment by wmbz
2009-03-22 13:06:16

PAUL KRUGMAN BLOGS ON THE TOXIC-ASSET PROGRAM to be announced early this week: “The Geithner plan has now been leaked in detail. It’s exactly the plan that was widely analyzed — and found wanting — a couple of weeks ago. The zombie ideas have won. The Obama administration is now completely wedded to the idea that there’s nothing fundamentally wrong with the financial system — that what we’re facing is the equivalent of a run on an essentially sound bank. … And if we get investors to understand that toxic waste is really, truly worth much more than anyone is willing to pay for it, all our problems will be solved. To this end the plan proposes to create funds in which private investors put in a small amount of their own money, and in return get large, non-recourse loans from the taxpayer, with which to buy bad … assets. This is supposed to lead to fair prices because the funds will engage in competitive bidding.

“But it’s immediately obvious, if you think about it, that these funds will have skewed incentives. In effect, Treasury will be creating — deliberately! — the functional equivalent of Texas S&Ls in the 1980s: financial operations with very little capital but lots of government-guaranteed liabilities. For the private investors, this is an open invitation to play heads I win, tails the taxpayers lose. So sure, these investors will be ready to pay high prices for toxic waste. After all, the stuff might be worth something; and if it isn’t, that’s someone else’s problem. Or to put it another way, Treasury has decided that what we have is nothing but a confidence problem, which it proposes to cure by creating massive moral hazard. This plan will produce big gains for banks that didn’t actually need any help; it will, however, do little to reassure the public about banks that are seriously undercapitalized. And I fear that when the plan fails, as it almost surely will, the administration will have shot its bolt: it won’t be able to come back to Congress for a plan that might actually work. What an awful mess.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 13:41:12

“For the private investors, this is an open invitation to play heads I win, tails the taxpayers lose.”

I am pretty sure that any plan Geithner rolls out will have this ‘heads investors win, tails taxpayers lose.’ The strategy on Wall Street is still ’screw Main Street,’ even as the dust has yet to settle on the near collapse of the financial system wrought by such practices. Couldn’t we stop to learn a few lessons here before getting collectively tossed back into the same boiling pot of stew which precipitated last fall’s financial meltdown?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 15:27:10

Does anyone know what the newfangled Geithner plan will be called? I would suggest No Banker Left Behind but I believe that may have already been used for at least several of the myriad previous failed bailout attempts.

 
Comment by measton
2009-03-22 20:07:11

You can bet that the well connected will get to cherry pick from the loan pile, make huge purchases with low to no interest gov loans.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 13:43:27

This plan will produce big gains for banks that didn’t actually need any help; it will, however, do little to reassure the public about banks that are seriously undercapitalized.

Isn’t this the main idea: Producing big gains for banks at the expense of everyone else, under the guise of a crisis rescue plan?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 13:21:32

It’s a good thing that stock prices and housing prices are not factored into official inflation statistics — otherwise a 50+ percent drop in stock prices and a 40+ percent drop in housing prices (at least in CA) would be a big cause for deflation concern.

Wall Street Journal
* MARCH 20, 2009, 11:49 A.M. ET

Fed’s Bullard: Deflation Is ‘Real Risk’ In Current Econ
By Michael S. Derby
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)–Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis President James Bullard on Friday warned that deflation is a “real risk” in the current economy.

Deflation is a broad-based retreat in prices that weighs on economic growth and makes debts harder to repay, and it was a defining characteristic of the Great Depression.

Bullard’s warning comes just days after the Fed met in a policy meeting that authorized massive interventions into financial markets to lower borrowing costs and stimuluate (SIC) economic activity. The Fed doesn’t expect deflation to occur, but policy makers are worried that the current level of price increases has become lower than they are comfortable with.

The central banker’s comments came from a slide show prepared to accompany remarks given at a conference on monetary policy held in Paris by the Banque de France, Aix-Marseille University and Toulouse School of Economics. The event is closed to the press and there is no advance prepared text of his remarks.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 13:25:41

Wall Street Journal
* CAPITAL
* MARCH 21, 2009

Rescuing the Economy Just Got Harder
By DAVID WESSEL

Rescuing the economy from the worst financial crisis in 75 years just got harder. Thank those bonuses at American International Group.

The uproar over six- and seven-figure payouts by a company propped up with $173 billion of government cash complicates President Barack Obama’s already formidable task: To bolster the political courage of voter-fearing lawmakers to spend unfathomable sums of taxpayer money in order to avoid a decade of stagnation or a repeat of the Great Depression.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, the nation’s most prominent student of the Depression, was asked by a television interviewer the other day: What keeps you up at night? His answer wasn’t Citigroup or inflation. “The biggest risk is that we don’t have the political will,” he said. “That we don’t have the commitment to solve this problem, and that we let it just continue. In which case, we can’t count on recovery.”

Comment by nhz
2009-03-22 13:33:52

of course, whatever happens don’t blame Uncle Ben … if anything goes (even more) wrong, it is because they didn’t listen to him well enough.

 
Comment by combotechie
2009-03-22 13:59:15

“The biggest risk is that we don’t have the political will,” he said. “That we don’t have the commitment to solve this problem, and that we let it just continue. In which case, we can’t count on recovery.”

This was the problem of the Thirties, that there wasn’t the political will needed to do the government spending that was needed to create the jobs that would pay the wages to get money into circulation and thus get the economy moving.

It was the bombing of Pear Harbor that finally created the necessary political will for massive government spending.

Many folks will say that it was WWII that brought us out of the Great Depression. It’s more accurate to say it was government spending caused by WWII that did the trick.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-22 14:05:35

The US was also a creditor then.

I think the T-bond market calls the shots in this one. And even if the Fed were to monetize part of the failed auctions, everything else would pretty much implode by itself.

Different times, different problems. Same results.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-03-22 18:20:37

We didn’t come out of the GD until the 50s. Government spending does not create a healthy economy.

 
Comment by Observer
2009-03-22 19:48:25

I wouldn’t say gov’t spending caused by WWII ended the GD. Unemployment was lowered during WWII thanks to tens of millions of men at war and after the war ended, the U.S. was the only country standing and all the other developed countries needed to be rebuilt. The U.S. was the economic engine for rebuilding the destroyed countries, no one else could… end of GD.

Comment by Jon
2009-03-23 09:57:38

After WWII you had:

1. A massive unionized work force able to command the wages that would create the middle class.
2. Significant technological advances due to R&D for the military effort.
3. An effort to develop the national highway system that revolutionized housing & auto industries.
4. Pent-up demand from 20 years of suffering.
5. Zero international competition.
6. An optimistic attitude from victory in WWII and a cooperative spirit from military service.

How does that compare to today?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 13:31:42

Worries Voiced Over Global Economy
By BLOOMBERG NEWS
Published: March 21, 2009

The global economy is on pace to shrink by 1 percent to 2 percent this year, the head of the World Bank said Saturday.

Speaking at the Brussels Forum on geopolitical problems, the bank’s president, Robert B. Zoellick, said that 2009 would be a “dangerous year” as the global economy wrestles with its first recession in more than 60 years.

“We haven’t seen a figure like that globally since World War II, which really means since the Great Depression,” he said.

Global trade is set to slide the most in 80 years as demand dries up, with East Asia being the hardest-hit region. The World Bank has forecast a 2.1 percent decline in global exports this year, which would be the first such drop since 1982.

Mr. Zoellick’s remarks came less than two weeks before heads of state from the Group of 20 industrialized and developing economies are to gather in London to discuss a coordinated response to the economic slump. Mr. Zoellick urged G-20 leaders to use the meeting on April 2 to create a review process to determine whether further stimulus measures are needed.

“There is a legitimate debate about how the stimulus will be used,” he said at the forum.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 13:35:06

What no top banker has acknowledged (yet): Until asset prices come back in line with household incomes, the credit system will not work again.

CNN dot com
updated 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
World Bank: Global downturn is WWII-like

* Story Highlights
* Global economy will shrink up to 2 percent, World Bank chief says
* Nations need to focus on credit, capitalizing banks, Bob Zoellick says
* IMF predicts global economic recovery won’t come until 2010

WASHINGTON (CNN) — The global economy will shrink up to 2 percent, and rapidly approved stimulus plans worldwide could spark another crash in financial markets, World Bank President Bob Zoellick projected at a forum in Belgium Saturday.

Zoellick: Nations need to focus on long-term economic fixes.

Zoellick said the World Bank, an international institution that offers aid to developing nations, projects a global economic decline between 1 percent and 2 percent.

Global economic recovery won’t come until 2010, according to the IMF report. The world’s economic powers will struggle to break even in the new year, while developing nations’ economies will surge by up to 4.5 percent, the IMF said.

The world has not seen a 2 percent drop since World War II or the Great Depression, according to the World Bank.

Two of the world’s largest economies, the United States and China, are struggling with recession and have recently implemented stimulus packages worth hundreds of billions of dollars.

However, Zoellick likened such stimulus plans to a “sugar high,” saying they would likely lead to another crash.

“The issue now that is most important are the bad assets, and recapitalizing the banks,” he said in a statement. “The reason I use ’sugar high’ is that it’s like if you have to have stimulus, it gives you a boost, but unless you get the credit system working again, it will drop off.”

Comment by Chip
2009-03-22 14:12:06

“What no top banker has acknowledged (yet): Until asset prices come back in line with household incomes, the credit system will not work again.”

It seems to me that this is the single most important observation in the entire credit bubble mess, and government and the banks are doing everything possible to avoid acknowledging it.

Comment by measton
2009-03-22 20:10:17

I held out hope that job creation and stimulation of wages would be the main tool Obama deployed, but it looks like this will be a minor side show.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-03-22 20:45:51

Well J6P needs to be reminded of his place lest he gets uppity.

Ensuring jobs with livable wages might get ol’ J6P a thinkin’ he’s in charge of things.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 13:50:22

Time / CNN
Business & Tech
How AIG Became Too Big to Fail
By Bill Saporito Thursday, Mar. 19, 2009

Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner had every reason to think he had seen all of AIG’s dirty laundry. The government owned 80% of the company, and Geithner had just orchestrated AIG’s most recent handout — its fourth, if you are keeping score, for $30 billion on March 2 — to prevent the teetering insurance giant from going over the cliff and taking the rest of the global financial system with it. AIG had already cost the taxpayers some $170 billion, mostly to repair the damage done by one of its units, AIG Financial Products (AIG FP), which last year alone piled up $40 billion in losses related to its dealings in complex mortgage bond derivatives.

Then Geithner’s staff made the discovery that would infuriate nearly everyone in Washington. On March 10, the Secretary learned, 10 days after his staff first got wind of it, that AIG had paid out $165 million in retention bonuses to executives at the unit that compelled the U.S. to bail out the company in the first place. It took Geithner until 7:40 the next night to place what must have been a tense phone call to AIG’s newish CEO, Ed Liddy. The bonuses were not tenable; they had to be canceled, he demanded. Liddy, a dollar-a-year man who took over the company after the bonuses had been promised, replied that AIG’s lawyers had decided that the contracts could not be broken without even bigger costs to taxpayers. Geithner sent Treasury’s lawyers searching for a way out, but they couldn’t find one. (See 25 people to blame for the financial crisis.)

On the balance sheet of debacles caused by this economic crisis — the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), the stock-market swoon, the credit crunch and the ongoing global recession — $165 million is small change. But the revelations of the AIG bonuses, like nothing else, seemed to finally tip the mounting public furor over corporate malpractice into a full-scale rebellion. Yet Geithner, embarrassed for discovering the bonuses so late, plans to dock AIG that much out of the next $30 billion in bailout funding when it is delivered — which amounts to a mere 0.1% of the total AIG has received.

Related
* 25 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis
* The Dangers of Printing Money
* Treasury Learned of AIG Bonuses Earlier Than Claimed
* The AIG Bonuses: Getting Mad and Getting Even
* Obama’s Challenge: Containing the AIG Bonus Outrage
* Will AIG Get a Government Bailout?
* AIG: Paying Taxpayers Back with Taxpayer Money

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-22 13:54:29

Today I’m not going to tease or provoke anyone for their stupid views and/or statements. This is going to be a struggle, but I can do it.
*puts on serious, mature, vastly responsible face that I’ve been practicing *

So, I guess I’m stuck with telling you all about the batch of bread I just started, instead. Ummm, lessee…cashews are in it, and dark cocoa baking powder. This is one of my favorite recipes, I came up with it whilst experimenting. It’s a really good one, savory and rich, that goes well with hearty soups but also makes good toast for breakfast with eggs.
Wow, huh? Also, I found my blue sock I was looking for. It was under the bed. I picked a daffodil and put it in a vase.

…Jeeze, man, this ‘only posting non-aggravating things’ is harder than it looks. I hope I don’t blow!

Comment by bluprint
2009-03-22 14:54:59

Hey, you’re doing fine! Bread is an excellent topic. My MIL gave me a loaf of the sourdough variety last night.

What I would REALLY like to see is a good mushroom-bread recipe. Can you do that?

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-22 15:40:40

You know, I have not had good results with my mushroom+bread experiments. But I shall not give up!

*screams incredibly loudly ‘MUSHROOMS!!!’ *

That was for good luck.

Comment by bluprint
2009-03-22 16:24:36

i just screamed “mushrooms” real loud also because I would like to have mushroom bread.

But it was only in my head. Elsewise I would have to explain to my wife why I’m screaming “mushrooms!” out of nowhere.

Seems like you would have to use dried mushrooms…regular ones would have too much water I would think.

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-03-22 14:56:28

Olygirl,

Do you use a bread machine?

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-22 15:39:13

Today, yes. Other times I like to use a stone tile and shape the loaf on it, for a nice thick crunchy crust, and then make little decorative snips in it and pat on herbs and salt and stuff, so it looks all fancy-like as well as being tasty.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-03-22 14:57:46

Way ahead of ya Olygal.

I made a double batch (4) loaves before you opened your beady little eyes this am. Froze two, baked two and been munching on fresh bread, butter, cheeses and a cheap into 1999 Tinto de Toro since 9 am central :)

Comment by mikey
2009-03-22 15:18:07

Oh…and made a trip to the grocery store too ;)

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-22 15:47:55

before you opened your beady little eyes this am.

THEY’RE NOT BEADY! They’re large and limpid! Like, um, like algae-tinted but nevertheless delightful little lakes! And the windows of my soul reveal a spirit jammed full of kindly wisdom, like cashews in a cocoa-flavored loaf, and a refulgent enlightenment sort of thingie!

*glares at screen with sneaky little beady green orbs *

And anyhow, how do you know when I opened my limpid eyes this morning, Mr. Man? Huh huh huh? I could have stayed up all night writing a definitive treatise on Western civilization!

Although I do heartily approve of your eating bread and cheese and drinking wine all day. That’s a Sunday well spent, I say.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-22 15:53:54

Although I do heartily approve of your eating bread and cheese and drinking wine all day. That’s a Sunday well spent, I say.

In fact, that seems like such a good idea that that’s how I’m going to spend the rest of MY Sunday, as soon as the loaf is out. Only IIIII am not going to go to the store while gnawing on the fresh loaf, and all drunken and singing and criticizing innocent cash-paying shoppers. Unlike some.

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Comment by mikey
2009-03-22 16:03:07

You were drinking and dancing on the table all night. You were rambling about bodies, body parts, fridges and calling the po.. leese.

Sheesh, you had poor Rancher and every other male that ever addressed you, terrified that you might actually disappear in one of your frog ponds drunk and the sheriff would be pounding on our doors ;)

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-22 16:56:06

You were drinking and dancing on the table all night. You were rambling about bodies, body parts, fridges and calling the po.. leese.

Oh, pooey, I do that every night. You should all be used to it. And as for the other, jeeze, I had already answered Mr. Rancher TWICE, and then he asked again. What?! That’s all the patience I got. In fact, that was even my polite-face answer, all gentle and restrained, since I’m so fond of yer all.*
Anyway, I was a tad flustered, because sitting there thinking back over the last about 2 years of sustained jabbering on my part, I’ve mentioned just about everything anyone would need to come find me, assuming someone was cunning and evil and had picked up the simple past-time of making puppets from the heads of simple blonde farm-gals who love frogs and trees.
So I should be excused for being terse, IIIIII think.

*Except for anyone who wants to find me and put my fluffy head in your fridge. I’m not fond of you.

 
Comment by mikey
2009-03-22 17:19:14

Get a cat Olygal, get a lot of cats, get a whole HERD of cats and DON’T wait….

I don’t believe any evil axe murder, with their twisted little minds, would ever think or dare coming after you because you’re so “Spooky”.

Meanwhile, back at the HBB ranch, we are all just sitting here quietly…awaiting your next entertaing trick or story:)

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-22 20:01:48

I don’t believe any evil axe murder, with their twisted little minds, would ever think or dare coming after you because you’re so “Spooky”.

I’M NOT EITHER SPOOKY! And my eyes are limpets! No, wait… I meant, ‘limpid’, like I said earlier. One means clear and pretty and the other one is a pointy shell thingie. Those always mix me up.

Anyway, you want a story? I had a good story week.
Here’s a story, just for yooooooo:

‘Big Fat Shadows’
by Olympiagal

Well, it started okay. You see, I have been in the mood for horror stories lately, because it’s winter, and rainy, and dark all the time. So I elected to read them by the cozy little fire in the wood-stove, and the wind rushed wildly over the big dark trees, and over my house, there where I sat reading until very late, me all bundled up and cozy and sitting in the old green chair reading scary stories, enjoyably eating cordial cherries and sipping wine and getting more and more scared. Wow! That’s fun! I love that!

Except then the shadows started to grow. It was the horror stories, I assume. Horror stories are evidently like ribeye steaks to shadows, especially when read by a scared little person while the high sea-wind rushes and the trees beat upon the sky, and the old floor creaks without cause.

Yes, the shadows in the living-room simply expanded, goodness, like plump turnips, engorging into vast weighty dim masses and crowding thickly into the corners. Soon I could scarcely see the alarming scary words before me on the page, and had to continuously brush the book free of some thick substance hanging there as I tried to read. Ropy clots of shadows snarled in my hair, and in the mornings I had oily dim smears on my face and hands and my nightgown, and they just wouldn’t wash off with soap and a scrubee.

It was when they got so substantial that I was starting to actually hear them that I reluctantly faced the truth. Which was, that these shadows needed to go on a diet.
That’s right, man, lose some weight, ya fat-ass shadows! No more shifting all lurkily in the dark, here.

Which is why I’m sitting here very grudgingly reading ‘Memoirs of a Bodice-Maker in 1927 Illiniois‘ with no enjoyment whatsoever.

I mean, Jeebus, who the Hell wants to read this crap? Only some dumb-a*ss who needs to put their shadows on a diet, is who.

The End

PS. Based on a true story.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-22 20:02:52

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-03-22 20:51:37

* scratching head will looking puzzled *

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-03-22 20:53:03

Oh fudge!

“…WHILE looking puzzled.”

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-03-22 13:54:58

A Recession Only Steinbeck Could Love

http://tinyurl.com/cm7doo

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-22 14:17:02

Nice find, SanFranGal.

(fromt the article)
But listen to Steinbeck on the American obsession with things: “If I wanted to destroy a nation, I would give it too much and I would have it on its knees, miserable, greedy and sick.”

The article also mentions Steinbeck’s ‘Travels With Charley in Search of America’. I got that one at a yard sale last year. For 10 cents, which I thought was a pleasingly congruent touch.
Great read.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-03-22 14:33:10

Steinbeck is one of my favorite authors. Two of my favorites by him is Cannery Row (I’ve read that book at least 10 times) and East of Eden.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-03-22 20:58:59

Steinbeck is in fact correct.

This works. I’ve used it successfully myself on little sneak thieves. Instead of making it harder for them to steal, I made more of the thing they were stealing available at the same level of difficultly so they thought they were getting over on me.

“..on there knees, miserable, greedy and sick” is exactly what happened. :lol:

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 13:55:08

The Gainesville Sun
News
Home > Business
Paul B. Blanch : The Federal Reserve is the problem
Published: Friday, March 20, 2009 at 9:09 p.m.

Americans are angry about the bailouts; they’re not angry enough because they continue, with no end in sight. It’s important to consider why “we” selected bailouts over other options. The Federal Reserve (Fed) is not a constitutional branch of our government. It’s a corporation, driven by profits, and owned by shareholders who are all banks (some foreign). Supposedly, the Fed works for the U.S. government; yet no government representative is permitted to attend any Fed meeting.

Furthermore, the Fed refuses to disclose how they’ve used our bailout dollars. Many of the same banks and bankers, responsible for the current mess, are likely ranking members of the Fed cabal. Talk about “letting the fox guard the hen house.” These same banks wish us to believe some enterprises are “too big to fail.” Nothing could be further from the truth, since no company starts out too big to fail. The consumer branches of most banks remain profitable; it’s their investment and financial products divisions that are failing.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 13:56:53

BUST THE TRUSTS!
BUST THE TRUSTS!

Wall Street Journal
* HEARD ON THE STREET
* MARCH 20, 2009, 8:32 P.M. ET

Too Much Bark, Not Enough Bite
By PETER EAVIS

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke realizes he can’t solve everything by dropping billions of dollars out of his helicopter. Deep reforms also are needed to fix the system, he said in a speech Friday.

Any moves are welcome. But Mr. Bernanke’s prescriptions look too timid.

Take the too-big-to-fail problem. Firms like Bear Stearns Cos. and American International Group Inc. were rescued because authorities believed their failure would imperil the financial system. Mr. Bernanke suggests five measures: better regulation, better compensation incentives to avoid excessive risk-taking, regulation of nonbank financial firms, strengthening market structures so one firm’s problems don’t spill over, and procedures allowing for the orderly wind down of nonbank financial firms.

Conspicuously absent: Any explicit measure to stop financial firms getting too big. The need for size limits is pressing, due to recent consolidation. The top-five lenders in the U.S. now account for 70% of the assets at the top-50 banks, based on SNL Financial data. Regulators may need stronger banks to take over weak ones right now, but bankers shouldn’t be surprised if authorities demand break-ups in the future.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 13:59:36

Silver lining to trust busting: Smaller banks would be more competitive, less prone to financial collapse, and hence more economically valuable to society. And too-big-to-fail leeches on Wall Street would no longer be able to bleed Uncle Sam dry on the premise that the global economy would collapse without a helicopter drop rescue operation.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 14:00:45

Wouldn’t it be nice if the cancer of too-big-to-fail firms could be removed from the banking sector, so they could get back to the business of providing a useful service to society?

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-03-22 14:06:20

WASHINGTON – The top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee says the Obama administration is on the right course to save the nation’s financial system.

But Sen. Judd Gregg of New Hampshire also says President Barack Obama’s massive budget proposal will bankrupt the country.

Gregg says he has no regrets in withdrawing his nomination to become commerce secretary. He pulled out after deciding he could not fully back the administration’s economic policies.

The senator said Obama’s spending plan in the midst of a prolonged recession would leave the next generation with a country too expensive to live in.

Gregg appeared Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 14:18:32

“The top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee says the Obama administration is on the right course to save the nation’s financial system.

But Sen. Judd Gregg of New Hampshire also says President Barack Obama’s massive budget proposal will bankrupt the country.”

Ya win some, ya lose some…

 
 
Comment by Blano
2009-03-22 14:12:07
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-03-22 14:18:49

CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuela’s President Hugo Chavez said on Sunday his U.S. counterpart Barack Obama was at best an “ignoramus” for saying the socialist leader exported terrorism and obstructed progress in Latin America.

“He goes and accuses me of exporting terrorism: the least I can say is that he’s a poor ignoramus; he should read and study a little to understand reality,” said Chavez, who heads a group of left-wing Latin American leaders opposed to the U.S. influence in the region.

Chavez said Obama’s comments had made him change his mind about sending a new ambassador to Washington, after he withdrew the previous envoy in a dispute last year with the Bush administration in which he also expelled the U.S. ambassador to Venezuela.

“When I saw Obama saying what he said, I put the decision back in the drawer; let’s wait and see,” Chavez said on his weekly television show, adding he had wanted to send a new ambassador to improve relations with the United States after the departure of George W. Bush as president.

In a January interview with Spanish-language U.S. network Univision, Obama said Chavez had hindered progress in Latin America, accusing him of exporting terrorist activities and supporting Colombian guerrillas.

“My, what ignorance; the real obstacle to development in Latin America has been the empire that you today preside over,” said Chavez, who is a fierce critic of U.S. foreign policy.

In the 20th century the United States supported several armed movements and coups in Latin America. Chavez says Washington had a hand in a short-lived putsch against him in 2002, which was initially welcomed by U.S. officials.

Chavez and Obama will both attend the Summit of the Americas in Trinidad and Tobago next month. It is not known whether they will meet.

Most of OPEC nation Venezuela’s export income comes from oil it sells to the United States, but Chavez has built stronger ties with countries like China in an attempt to reduce dependence on his northern neighbor.

Chavez expelled its U.S. ambassador in September in a dispute over U.S. activities in his ally Bolivia, which also expelled its U.S. ambassador. Ecuador’s left-wing President Rafael Correa this year kicked out a mid-ranking U.S. diplomat.

 
Comment by Clark
2009-03-22 14:22:28

Let the workers in these plants get the same wages – all the workers, all presidents, all executives, all directors, all managers, all bankers –

yes, and all generals and all admirals and all officers and all politicians and all government office holders – everyone in the nation be restricted to a total monthly income not to exceed that paid to the soldier in the trenches!

Let all these kings and tycoons and masters of business and all those workers in industry and all our senators and governors and majors pay half of their monthly $ wage to their families and pay war risk insurance and buy Liberty Bonds.

Why shouldn’t they?

…From War is a Racket - for all you optimist.

Comment by mikey
2009-03-22 16:29:07

General Major Smedley Butler USMC, Medel of Honor X2, the fighting quaker and “War is a Racket :)

Comment by John Galt
2009-03-22 18:51:11

“War is a Racket” is available - Amazon.com and also a web site devoted to Commandant Butler.

I recommend it highly.

Butler realized that he, as a Marine and as a Commandant commanding Marines, was merely a pawn of the same system that is seeking to preserve itself now.

His experiences in Central America gave him illumination.

Every Mother and Father of a potential Soldier/Marine should read it.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 14:28:32

New York Times
Op-Ed Columnist
Has a ‘Katrina Moment’ Arrived?
By FRANK RICH
Published: March 21, 2009

A CHARMING visit with Jay Leno won’t fix it. A 90 percent tax on bankers’ bonuses won’t fix it. Firing Timothy Geithner won’t fix it. Unless and until Barack Obama addresses the full depth of Americans’ anger with his full arsenal of policy smarts and political gifts, his presidency and, worse, our economy will be paralyzed. It would be foolish to dismiss as hyperbole the stark warning delivered by Paulette Altmaier of Cupertino, Calif., in a letter to the editor published by The Times last week: “President Obama may not realize it yet, but his Katrina moment has arrived.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 14:31:00

Good stuff here…

‘The White House seemed utterly blindsided by the public’s revulsion at the moneyed insiders’ culture illuminated by Daschle’s post-Senate career. Yet last week’s events suggest that the administration learned nothing from that brush with disaster.

Otherwise it never would have used Lawrence Summers, the chief economic adviser, as a messenger just as the A.I.G. rage was reaching a full boil last weekend. Summers is so tone-deaf that he makes Geithner seem like Bobby Kennedy.

Bob Schieffer of CBS asked Summers the simple question that has haunted the American public since the bailouts began last fall: “Do you know, Dr. Summers, what the banks have done with all of this money that has been funneled to them through these bailouts?” What followed was a monologue of evasion that, translated into English, amounted to: Not really, but you little folk needn’t worry about it.

Yet even as Summers spoke, A.I.G. was belatedly confirming what he would not. It has, in essence, been laundering its $170 billion in taxpayers’ money by paying off its reckless partners in gambling and greed, from Goldman Sachs and Citigroup on Wall Street to Société Générale and Deutsche Bank abroad.’

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 14:48:49

Financial Times
Obama must beware tiger he is trying to tame

By Edward Luce

Published: March 22 2009 18:19 | Last updated: March 22 2009 18:19

At a recent White House meeting, Paul Volcker, the 81-year-old former chairman of the Fed and a part-time adviser to Barack Obama, said the president should delay revamping the US regulatory system until he had quelled the financial crisis. “There’s no point in trying to rebuild a burning house,” he reportedly said. Mr Obama ignored the advice. The White House’s re-regulation plans are proceeding apace.

The same applies to all the other plans Mr Obama has in the pipeline, of which there are many. Let us divide them between the urgent and the merely important. Among the urgent, on Monday Tim Geithner, the Treasury secretary, will make a second attempt to launch a plan to relieve banks of their toxic assets following a botched first attempt last month.

On the outcome of this will hinge the viability of almost everything else Mr Obama wants to do. If it fails to win the confidence of private investors, Mr Geithner will have to go back to the drawing board, in addition to fending off even shriller calls for his resignation. If the plan, which will heavily subsidise private participation, clears the credibility threshold then maybe, just maybe, banks will start to lend again.

But even if it does, the markets will need to await the results of the Treasury’s bank stress tests sometime within the next two weeks before the credit markets show signs of unfreezing. By then, presumably, the Treasury will also have worked out a formula for which banks it should save, the mechanism it would use, and how much money would be needed from Congress to recapitalise those deemed viable.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-03-22 15:52:54

I go back and forth on my opinion of Frank Rich, but I thought this particular column was both cogent and non-sugar-coated.

Rich singles out Larry Summers for non-responsiveness, and zeroes in on “the gaping economic inequality that defined the bubble” as the driving force behind public anger directed at AIG bonuses, Jim Cramer, Thain, Madoff, et al — he rightly notes that “these prominent players are just the handiest camera-ready triggers for the larger rage.”

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 14:53:23

Debt securitisation is a dead business model. The only vestige that survives is denial of this fact.

Financial Times
Bonus divide risks US rescue plan
By Aline van Duyn and Julie MacIntosh in New York
Published: March 22 2009 18:24 | Last updated: March 22 2009 18:24

Plans by US lawmakers to curtail big Wall Street bonuses may have adverse effects on government rescue plans aimed at restarting consumer lending and resolving the toxic asset overhang.

In particular, private investors such as hedge funds and private equity groups may be less likely to take part amid concerns of government scrutiny and fears that profits may be clawed back in the future.

Fed officials believe there is already evidence of this in the lacklustre initial takeup of loans offered for the term asset-backed securities loan facility (Talf).

The first $200bn (€147bn, £138bn) leg of the Talf, aimed at restarting the securitised debt markets, began last week and details are expected as early as Monday on a “public/private partnership” aimed at getting billions of dollars of toxic assets off banks’ books.

“I just hope this divide between Washington and the investment community doesn’t actually injure the initiatives we need to succeed,” said Roger Altman, the head of Evercore Partners and a former deputy US Treasury secretary. “We need the investment community to participate in the Talf and the public/private partnership, and it would be a shame if they were not willing to step in.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 14:55:35

Financial Times
Warning over cuts in credit card lines
By Saskia Scholtes in New York
Published: March 22 2009 18:56 | Last updated: March 22 2009 18:56

Banks trying to reduce their exposure to losses on credit card loans are driving some borrowers deeper into trouble, say credit counsellors and analysts.

Major card issuers such as Bank of America, Citigroup and American Express have reacted to the economic crisis and rising credit card defaults by raising interest rates, closing inactive accounts and paring credit lines.

When a bank cuts a borrower’s credit line to lower its potential exposure, it can drive down the borrower’s credit score, even if he or she has paid all their bills on time in the past. A lower credit score can prompt other lenders to cut the borrower’s access to credit and to raise interest rates.

Comment by John Galt
2009-03-22 18:54:54

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Negative feedback as far as the eye can see …

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 15:01:40

All real estate is local, neh?

Finance and economics
House prices
Caught in the downward current
Mar 19th 2009
From The Economist print edition
The global housing market goes from bad to worse

WHEN we last looked at global house prices, only six of the countries we surveyed had recorded year-on-year declines. Three months later that figure has risen to 16.

In America some saw signs of a bottom in a report on March 17th showing sharp rises in housebuilding starts and permits in February, after months of decline. Others, however, just saw a bigger stack of apartments for sale which no one will be very keen to buy. In truth, the outlook has long been dismal from the banks of the Potomac and the Thames, and now it is starting to look grim from the banks of the Huangpu.

Gone is the optimism of yesteryear. Book titles such as “Are You Missing the Real-Estate Boom? The Boom Will Not Bust and Why Property Values Will Continue to Climb Through the End of the Decade — And How to Profit From Them” (2005) are destined for the annals of folly, next to asset-bubble classics such as “Dow 36,000”. Fear has replaced frenzy, and house prices may overshoot on the way down. A recent report by Numis Securities estimated that British house prices could fall by a further 40-55%, saddling millions with properties worth less than their mortgage debt. Long was the uphill march, long will be the downhill descent.
—————————————————————————
Deflation has even hit the used book market!

Are You Missing the Real Estate Boom?: The Boom Will Not Bust and Why Property Values Will Continue to Climb Through the End of the Decade - And How to Profit From Them (Hardcover)
by David Lereah (Author)

“The recent U.S. real estate boom has made money for an incredible number of households in America (blah, blah, blah…)”

Key Phrases: real estate services companies, home price appreciation, real estate expansion, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, United States

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Comment by wmbz
2009-03-22 15:02:24

The Laugh fest just keeps rolling along!

Frank Says U.S. Should Sue AIG to Recover Bonuses (Update2)
By Alison Vekshin

March 22 (Bloomberg) — House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank said the government should “assert our rights” as the owner of taxpayer-funded American International Group Inc. and sue the company to return $165 million in bonus payments.

Policy makers also should address “the whole question of executive compensation and the perverse incentives” that result from how it’s structured, Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat, said today on CBS’s “Face The Nation” program.

“One of the things we ought to be doing is suing as a shareholder, saying ‘look these are people who were paid bonuses that they weren’t entitled to,’” Frank said.

AIG’s decision to pay the bonuses to employees after getting $173 billion in federal aid triggered a backlash in Congress last week. Lawmakers chided AIG Chief Executive Officer Edward Liddy for allowing the payments and advanced legislation to tax bonuses at the New York-based insurer and other companies getting government funding.

Senator Charles Grassley of Iowa, the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, said taxes are “Congress’s best leverage” for retrieving the money.

“We believe people ought to be compensated right,” Grassley said. “But there is a whole different ethic when you have the taxpayers bail you out.”

‘Dangerous Way to Go’

A top White House economic adviser cautioned against using the tax law to recoup the bonuses.

“That may be a dangerous way to go,” Jared Bernstein, chief economist for Vice President Joe Biden, said today on ABC’s “This Week” program.

The House of Representatives last week voted in favor of a 90 percent tax on bonuses, included those AIG paid out. The Senate plans to vote this week.

“I think the president would be concerned that this bill may have some problems,” Bernstein said. “The House bill may go too far in terms of some, some legal issues, constitutional validity, using the tax code to punish a small group. It may be a dangerous way to go.”

 
Comment by Chip
2009-03-22 15:04:26

Does anyone know if Geithner has anyone up for approval for any of the 17 deputy positions that, when last I read about it, were all vacant? Seems like a captain trying to run a very big ship with nothing but deck hands. I don;t understand why this is so much harder to do now than in previous administrations.

 
Comment by Manny
2009-03-22 15:21:55

he had taken out a $25,000 home equity loan to pay for a new kitchen.
The October 2008 appraisal had valued his house at $190,000.

—–

WTF? He put in a $25K kitchen in 190k house?

 
Comment by Chip
2009-03-22 15:25:36

“…Or that this was a casino unique among all casinos, one where middle-class taxpayers cover the bets of billionaires.”

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/26793903/the_big_takeover

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 15:33:16

Duke and OlyGal — Take note :-)

Calif. man charged with $40 million Ponzi scheme
By DON THOMPSON Associated Press Writer
Posted: 03/20/2009 04:44:37 PM PDT

SACRAMENTO—Federal prosecutors unsealed a complaint Friday charging the president of a suburban Sacramento company with running a $40 million investment scam that bilked about 150 investors, many of whom he met through his Mormon church.

One of his associates was charged with impersonating a federal agent in what prosecutors say was a bizarre shakedown scheme to recover some of the lost money.

Acting U.S. Attorney Lawrence Brown said Anthony Vassallo, 29, of Folsom, promised investors in his hedge fund 36 percent annual returns with little risk of loss. But he put their money into high-risk ventures, as well as luxuries like a $103,000 Lexus for his wife.

Most of the money was gone by September 2007. So, investigators say, he stopped trading securities and started making up investment information that reported continued profits.

He also paid off some investors using other investors’ money, said Internal Revenue Service agent Scott O’Briant.

“You rob from Peter to pay Paul. Eventually you run out of Peters and Pauls,” O’Briant said.

That’s when the alleged Ponzi scheme collapsed like many others in the faltering national economy.

The federal Securities and Exchange Commission shut down Vassallo’s Equity Investment Management and Trading Inc. last week. It froze $1.2 million found in one of Vassallo’s bank accounts.

Comment by combotechie
2009-03-22 16:49:41

“… promised his investors in his hedge fund 36 percent annual returns with little risk of loss.”

Nothing to be suspicious about here.

Lol.

 
 
Comment by vozworth
2009-03-22 16:18:34

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chifflart_conscience001.JPG

When the conscience is tested,
and if the current social ideology framework regime fails the currency…there is no such thing as money.

Think of money as an emotional attachement to security. Or think of claims on rights which regimes do not allow the citizenry to possess as money….

I’ll tell ya right now, security has no price too high. The rights of the citizenry are being tested by the security of money. This is about trusting people…..and I cant find the gumption to trust.

Comment by vozworth
2009-03-22 16:42:12

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/22/brad-delongs-defense-of-geithner/

and this is my point, its an interesting example if you will induldge me.

I have already passed on the opportunity to refinance my existing mortgage for 4.5%, precisely because I wanted the “non-recourse” clause. So, why is this important?

If I have to prove my creditworthyness, there would be no question whether my the bank should foreclose on my house and sell it for half of what I owe becasue I would be able to buy it….So could I put 15% against the note and refinance for 4.5% non-recourse?

the point is not-moot.

Comment by vozworth
2009-03-22 18:46:08

apoligies for the mildly retarted spelling and sentence structure.

you get m y point.
I’m almost my own bank.
almost.

Comment by whino
2009-03-22 19:49:35

‘I’m almost my own bank.
almost.”

If you figure out how to feed at the FED Trough and get those mega discount loans, Please let us know. I wouldent mind taking out a few myself. ;-)

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 20:39:24

“I’m almost my own bank.”

I believe a primary purpose behind the Fed’s never-ending War on Savers is to discourage this sort of behaviour. How could their parasitic constituency possibly survive if everyone was financially self-reliant?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 18:03:56

Potential silver lining: Barter is harder to tax than payrolls.

The Dangers of Printing Money

The Fed’s doing it. The Bank of England says it plans to do it, too. With printing money (or as they say today, “quantitative easing”) back in fashion, TIME reflects on Germany’s efforts in the 1920s — and the crisis that followed.

Tough Times
In the years following World War I, Germany took to printing money to help meet expenses. With inflation spiraling and the mark plummeting, things worsened when the French occupied Germany’s industrial Ruhr region. Workers, the middle class and pensioners were hit hardest by the crisis by the crisis. Here, the Salvation Army serves hungry Berliners in the dark days of 1923.

Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?
Amid runaway inflation, new bank notes were issued. This, a 50 million mark bill from 1923, was small change compared to the 100 trillion mark notes that were also being printed.

Child’s Play
Forget toys: with as many as 4.2 trillion marks to the dollar by late 1923, German children played in the streets with worthless money.

Walking a Tightrope
With the mark almost worthless, bartering made a comeback. Germans are seen here swapping bread, sausages and jam for tickets to the circus.

Comment by John Galt
2009-03-22 19:09:09

Actually bartering is easier to tax. The IRS merely IMPUTES the profit of the transaction.

They have closed down many an intra-business bartering network over the past decade or so …

The MSM media does not report this - partly because they do not understand it …

It might do well to mention here that the first two nations to get out of the Depression, contrary to the ideological hopes of various varieties of Free Marketeers, were Itsly and Germany. That was why they were looked to prior to the war as possible examples of a way out …

And this was accomplished NOT by additional military pump priming.

They, as nations, removed themselves from the international ‘capitalist’ system and began bartering on a massive scale.

This, as may be expected, frightened the Banksters et al …

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 20:35:42

“Actually bartering is easier to tax.”

Let me give you an example of why I disagree. If a man visits a licensed brothel and pays money for services rendered, the transaction is taxed. If he goes to a bar and meets a young lady who fancies him, and they end up later taking her out to dinner then still later bartering pleasure behind closed doors in his bedroom, the IRS is none the wiser, and the transaction is tax free.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 20:37:37

Oh jeez I embarrassingly botched the grammar on that post. I suddenly found myself fearing that Ben was going to tase me for making a crude analogy.

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Comment by Jon
2009-03-23 10:12:34

Germany purposely devalued the mark in order to make reparations for WWI easier. The French determined that they really didn’t care because they didn’t want to buy stuff with marks anyway, preferring to produce with French labor.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 18:13:08

Federal Reserve’s move to print money shows perilous policy failure
Michael Stutchbury, Economics editor | March 20, 2009
Article from: The Australian

IT’S an ominous day when the world’s economic superpower starts printing money to buy its own government’s debt.

“Who’s going to buy the bonds?” Paul Keating asked two weeks ago. Who would finance a US budget deficit forecast to swell to $US1.7 trillion ($2.5trillion) thisyear?

Now US Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke has revealed part of the answer: the central bank itself will buy $US300 billion of US Treasury bonds and pay for them by electronically printing the money.

Cleaning up the banking sector is seen as the key pre-condition to stemming the crisis. But the US has been dithering over this for months, and the IMF has now condemned the latest plan from US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner as “unclear”.

This roadblock has diverted the policy response into the Federal Reserve’s moves to print money, and to political diversions such as the controversy over finance executives’ payouts.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 18:28:49

Examiner dot com
Stephanie Esworthy
Baltimore Political Satire Examiner
Printing moolah and paying Paul
March 22, 1:50 PM · Add a Comment

Ever since mankind took that first step out of primordial goop to stand upright, the poor guy named Peter and his descendants have been robbed relentlessly to pay the guy named Paul and his offspring who should be sluggish with comfort by now but never seem satiated. They are like black holes of endless need and though Peter wields a heavy shovel, he just can’t fill them up.

Of course I identify with Peter and have noticed that I always can depend on eloquent encouragement from Paul who supports my work ethic. It’s a gracious nod that I appreciate. It warms my heart when Paul acknowledges that he owes me a great debt of gratitude, as well as a financial debt that he assures he’ll pay off with my money. Today, it’s about $80,000 for just me and this will increase tomorrow. Paul knows he can count on me to hand it over with civility and I’m not worried because my children and grandchildren will do their duty and take my place after first paying my death tax.

Paul does have more “peeps” than ever now, but I almost missed the latest announcement on his behalf because it was mumbled quickly and close to a weekend. Treasury has decided to print money that we will loan to ourselves. So we will borrow money from ourselves, blurring the formerly clear roles of Peter and Paul. I am confused. But I’m no Einstein and still have trouble wrapping my head around his theory of time and space. Here too, I bow to greater intellects on this printing and borrowing thing.

Comment by John Galt
2009-03-22 19:13:23

Yes the Ant is being taxed to bailout the Grasshopper and he (the Ant) is being told that this is necessary to rescue the ’system’.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 18:31:50

Helpful advice to U.S. leaders from a foreign rival on the best way to cope with deficits:

Putin Warns Against Printing Money to Cover Deficit (Update3)
By Alex Nicholson

March 19 (Bloomberg) — Russia won’t resort to printing money to cover budget deficits that Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said are likely to continue for the “next few years.”

The government should tackle the deficit “by using the reserves that have been accumulated in recent years, or if necessary by borrowing under market conditions,” Putin told the Cabinet in Moscow today, adding that Russia doesn’t yet need to borrow and won’t seek loans abroad. “Resorting to a printing press would be unwise and extremely dangerous.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 18:35:17

Euro Currency of Choice as Fed Easing Devalues Dollar (Update1)
By Oliver Biggadike

March 23 (Bloomberg) — Less than a month after lambasting European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet for failing to keep up with Ben S. Bernanke’s efforts to stem the recession, foreign-exchange traders are glad he’s behind the curve.

The 16-nation currency strengthened 7.5 percent versus the dollar since February, after tumbling 9.3 percent in the first two months of the year. JPMorgan Chase & Co., Morgan Stanley and Citigroup Inc. are advising investors to buy euros.

Traders are looking past forecasts from Germany’s Kiel- based IfW institute for the European Union economy to shrink 3.3 percent this year, and snapping up currencies where central bankers are resisting calls to purchase debt securities as a way of lowering interest rates and pump cash into their financial systems. Those options are becoming scarce after Federal Reserve Chairman Bernanke joined the Bank of England, Bank of Japan and Swiss National Bank in so-called quantitative easing.

“The dollar is a sell near term versus those currencies where quantitative easing is off the table,” said John Normand, head of currency strategy at JPMorgan in London. “The top on euro-dollar will come when the ECB looks likely to join the quantitative easing crowd. For now, it’s content to stay on the sidelines.”

“This is a historic moment — the start of debasement of the world’s reserve currency,” wrote Alan Ruskin, head of international currency strategy in North America at RBS Greenwich Capital Markets Inc. in Greenwich, Connecticut. “It feels to many participants that in the grand sweep of history we are witnessing the end of ‘Rome’ on the Potomac.”

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-22 18:44:08

This isn’t going to last long. Competitive devaluation is the order of the day.

I’d consider shorting the euro soon but there are far better shorts out there - the forint for example.

Comment by vozworth
2009-03-22 19:24:56

I’ll make you a deal. FPSS.

When I take my long short-term non-US Bonds. short dollar off, I’ll Punch My Sockpuppet. Buckys gots some legs down coming right up.

I aint coming home just yet.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 18:42:33

EDITORIAL
The real us financial crisis has yet to begin
By The Nation
Published on March 23, 2009

Its roots are deep; after a consumption binge of decades, it’s time now to pay up for free lunch
…the worst has yet to come. With a loss of confidence in the US financial system, creditors and investors are dumping dollar-denominated instruments. They are willing to cut losses. The US banks, who issue the instruments, have to take their debts back. Since they do not have the liquidity because the credit market has already ground to a halt, they can only rely on the Federal Reserve. As a result, the balance sheet of the Federal Reserve will continue to balloon.

US Treasuries, traditionally recognised as risk free, are now under pressure. Russia, China, India and other countries are discussing a possibility of dumping the US dollar as a reserve currency. They have proposed a return to the Special Drawing Rights issued by the International Monetary Fund.

In the meantime, the US federal government will find it tough to finance its deficit spending. Recent projects have put the deficit for 2009 at a record US$1.8 trillion. This would complicate President Obama’s efforts to pass his US$3.55 trillion budget plan for 2010. The deficit would continue for several years to come. Where will this money come from?

The US won’t be able to finance the deficit of this magnitude. The US Treasury doesn’t have any money. The Americans are also losing their savings and investments in the meltdown of the stock market by at least 50 per cent last year alone. They are also saddled with consumer and mortgage debt. So the US ends up with only two options left: Borrowing from the foreign creditors or resorting to the printing press.

Under the current condition, foreign creditors will be more cautious or unwilling to subscribe to US debt. They already have toxic financial instruments in the books of their banks more than they can handle. So the US has only one option left, which is to inflate away the debt by printing money. By doing so, the US Treasury will issue bonds directly to the Federal Reserve, which will issue the money in return. The Treasury will use the money to meet its budget or other spending obligations.

This US money-printing, the Bank of England, the Swiss National Bank, the Bank of Japan, have warned is threatening hyperinflation afterward. The dollar will head for a decline. Once inflation is off and running, the printing press dollars will only have goods made in America to chase after. The real crisis has not yet begun.

Comment by John Galt
2009-03-22 19:19:35

Let the Austrians of the board provide the quote from Von Mises regarding the ‘crackup’ …

We are all Austrians now …

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 20:32:29

Nah — some top central bankers are quite definitely still Keynesians.

 
 
Comment by Jon
2009-03-23 10:16:47

“Once inflation is off and running, the printing press dollars will only have goods made in America to chase after.”

The inhumanity!

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 18:49:00

This bubble unwinding has gone on so long I am finding it difficult to keep score any longer, but didn’t we already have a commodities boom and bust over just the past couple of years?

The Globe and Mail
FINANCIAL CRISIS
World poised to fall in lockstep with Fed
Central banks expected to follow U.S. plan to create and spend cash to spark growth; metals prices jump on inflation concerns
KEVIN CARMICHAEL AND ANDY HOFFMAN
March 20, 2009

OTTAWA and TORONTO — The U.S. Federal Reserve’s plan to create and spend more than $1-trillion (U.S.) is expected to trigger a tsunami of cash from central banks around the world that will spark economic growth and test policy makers’ ability to contain inflation.

Economists said yesterday that the European Central Bank and the Bank of Canada will follow the Fed’s pledge on Tuesday to effectively double its reserves to buy Treasuries and other assets, creating the prospect of a global pool of easy money.

Investors bet the initiatives would not only restore global growth, but spark rampant inflation, and bought up hard assets that will both be in demand as economies recover and serve as hedges against inflation.

Gold soared the most in six months and silver posted its biggest one-day rally in 29 years.il

Copper, which has lost more than half its value since peaking at a record above $4 a pound last June, climbed 5 per cent to a four-month high of $1.80 yesterday. Oil for April delivery surged $3.47 or 7 per cent to settle at $51.61 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange, the highest in three months.

What the Fed has done is put a strong bid under the commodities such as copper, steel, perhaps the grains, perhaps too, energy, but most certainly the precious metals for the long and foreseeable future,” Dennis Gartman, an influential analyst, advised clients in a report issued yesterday.

The commodities rally reflects the global reverberations from Fed chairman Ben Bernanke’s embrace on Tuesday of quantitative easing.

Comment by John Galt
2009-03-22 19:35:24

The Optimists are buying the Precious Metals Gold and Silver.

The Pessimists are buying the most Precious Metal - Lead.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 18:58:19

The Korea Times
Opinion
03-19-2009 15:26
The Rewards of Failure
By Dale McFeatters
Scripps Howard News Service

If AIG were in the public relations business instead of insurance, it surely would have gone broke years ago.

Take the reaction to its decision to go ahead with $450 million in bonus payments, including $165 billion paid out over this last weekend, to executives of the business unit whose recklessness almost wrecked the company.

Also over the weekend the firm disclosed that had to sue $34 billion in bailout money to make good on credit default swaps the unit has written that had gone bad.

President Barack Obama was not pleased. AIG finds itself in this fix, he said, due to greed and the aforementioned recklessness. “… it’s hard to understand how derivative traders at AIG warranted any bonuses, much less $165 million in extra pay. How do they justify this outrage to the American taxpayers who are keeping the company afloat?” the president asked.

He instructed Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner to “take every legal avenue to block these bonuses.”

The president’s top economic adviser, Lawrence Summers, was also steamed: “The whole situation at AIG is outrageous. What taxpayers are being forced to do is outrageous.”

Fed chairman Ben Bernanke, who wields unrivaled economic clout, said, “Of all the events and all of the things we’ve done in the last 18 months, the single one that makes me the angriest, that gives me the most angst, is the intervention with AIG.”

Even the most shortsighted derivatives trader can see that this sort of reaction is not good. This is not just verbiage coming out of Washington. These three officials, standing in for the taxpayers, basically own AIG.

Thanks to $170 billion total in bailout money pumped into the giant insurer, the American public owns 80 percent of the company.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 19:02:56

So will hedge hogs set up “Subsidized Toxic Asset Investment” funds to lure their wealthy clients back to the supply end of the debt securitization pipeline?

I frankly don’t understand the reason they need private investors; why can’t they just use the Fed’s printing press to reprime the debt securitization sump pump?

Wall Street Journal
* MARCH 23, 2009
Geithner Banks on Private Cash
Treasury Secretary Says Investors Needed to Help U.S. Rid Balance Sheets of Bad Assets
By DEBORAH SOLOMON

WASHINGTON — Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said the only way to resolve the financial crisis is to work with the private sector to remove troubled assets clogging banks’ balance sheets, even at a time when Wall Street moneymakers are being vilified by the public and politicians.

In an interview with The Wall Street Journal Sunday, Mr. Geithner said the government cannot do this alone. “Our judgment is that the best way to get through this is if we can work with the markets,” he said. “We don’t want the government to assume all the risk. We want the private sector to work with us.”

Mr. Geithner’s three-pronged program, which will be unveiled Monday, envisions the creation of a series of public-private investments to soak up $500 billion, and maybe as much as $1 trillion, in troubled loans and securities at the heart of the financial crisis. To encourage investors to buy those assets, the U.S. government will offer lucrative subsidies and shoulder much of the risk.

Comment by John Galt
2009-03-22 19:29:30

They need ‘private investors’ because these will NOT be the Usual Suspects and, when the crackup comes, they (the private investors) will suffer the consequences disproportionately to those those bailed out.

This is a semi-repeat of the oil-shale fiasco of the 70’s. Independent investors were sucked in. The market (was) collapsed and they (the independents) were left holding the bag. The Usual Suspects then came in and bought up the pieces for pennies on the dollar.

It’s a way of eliminating future competition. A barrier to future entry if you will …

The difference this time is that, with all the government interventon, THIS crackup/Depression/what you will may be so catastrophic …

 
Comment by measton
2009-03-22 20:29:22

In essence aren’t they just borrowing money from the Hedge Funds. They know assetts are worth nothing. So they guarantee teh Hedge Funds some return in a set number of years. Another form of gov borrowing.

 
 
Comment by whino
2009-03-22 19:12:32

I guess we won’t get the bonuses back after all.

Obama bucks House bonus tax plan, cites Constitution and refusal to govern from anger

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama wagered significant political capital on Sunday as he bucked a highly popular House measure to slap a punitive 90 percent tax on bonuses to big earners at financial institutions already deeply in hock to taxpayers.

Obama defended his stance by saying the tax would be unconstitutional and that he would not “govern out of anger.” He declared his determination, nevertheless, to make Wall Street understand it must shed “the old way of doing business.”

In a wide-ranging interview broadcast Sunday night, Obama also acknowledged surprise at how quickly the U.S. economy crumbled between his November election and January inauguration.

“I don’t think that we anticipated how steep the decline would be,” he said in the interview on CBS’ “60 Minutes.” “That slope is a lot steeper than anything that we’ve said — we’ve seen before.”

 
Comment by whino
2009-03-22 19:40:38

The un-scientific Poll on the streetdotcom website shows more Bulls than Bears out there. Cramer must be ringing his bells and whistles again. :-D

Bull or Bear? Vote in Our Poll

http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/story/10475754/1/bull-or-bear-vote-in-our-poll.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 20:23:51

Chinese stockpiling spurs copper price rally
By Chris Flood
Published: March 22 2009 19:41 | Last updated: March 22 2009 19:41

Copper stockpiling by a secretive Chinese state organisation has helped trigger an impressive rally of 28 per cent in the price of the metal this year.

Copper’s fortunes are closely tied to the industrial cycle so the price jump, bigger than that of gold, has grabbed attention outside the commodities market, with some questioning whether it could signal a turning point for economic growth.

However, developments in China, which accounted for almost a third of global copper consumption last year, remain central to the market’s prospects.

Industry reports point to buying by the Beijing’s State Reserves Bureau, which manages the country’s strategic stockpiles.

SRB’s decisions are shrouded in secrecy, making it virtually impossible to assess accurately how much the Chinese government has bought. Traders estimate that the SRB is in the process of securing 300,000 tonnes and speculate that it could buy up to 1.2m tonnes this year. Global copper production last year stood at 18m tonnes.

 
Comment by cactus
2009-03-22 20:25:34

John mauldin and how to get inflation back ( I dislike this idea but I am a renter and like lower home prices ) I expect this idea would work though and anyone who makes money off growth would like it ? I often have suspected our system doesn’t work well with no population growth though.

Buy A Home, Get a Green Card

What if we changed the rules for a few years? Starting as soon as possible, we should allow anyone to come into the country who would buy a home. They would be given a temporary visa which would become permanent if they had no problems after, say, five years.

While Gary proposes that they be allowed to borrow against the value of their homes, I lean toward suggesting that initially we take those who buy their homes outright (with a few exceptions). That means they have enough capital to purchase a home to begin with, which probably means they are educated and have skills. In fact, if they have enough cash to buy a home, that means they would have more actual savings than most US citizens. We would be attracting future citizens with the capital to invest in job-creating businesses and/or who have useful skills to assist in the recovery of the US economy.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 20:45:18

Wall Street Journal
* THE OUTLOOK
* MARCH 23, 2009

Imbalance in Nations’ Savings Clouds Forecasts for Recovery
By MARK WHITEHOUSE
London

When leaders of the world’s 20 largest economies meet in London April 2, they’ll have a lot on their plates, from preventing a global depression to fixing a broken banking system. But economists are hoping they also will pay some attention to what many see as a root cause of the financial crisis: a vast disparity in the way big nations save.

In recent weeks, a growing chorus of prominent economists — including U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and Bank of England Gov. Mervyn King — have pointed out that it took more than greedy bankers, profligate American consumers and lax regulation to generate a crisis of global proportions. While all those factors played important roles, they say, the conditions were created in part by China and other Asian nations, which over a decade of export-led growth socked away trillions of dollars in the form of foreign-currency reserves. Their efforts to invest those savings flooded Western financial markets with cash, making it cheaper to borrow at a time when people in places like the U.S. and the U.K. were building up debts at an alarming rate.

The huge machine of subprime-mortgage lending that triggered the crisis, the logic goes, was just one of the many ways bankers took advantage of these so-called “global imbalances” by putting savers and borrowers together.

Bankers have always been avaricious, regulation didn’t get worse and we’ve always had crises — it’s just that this crisis has some special features, and the key special feature is the global imbalances,” says Richard Portes, professor of economics at London Business School and president of the Centre for Economic Policy Research.

Comment by Jon
2009-03-23 10:19:07

Duh.

And the only way to fix it is to destroy the dollar.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 20:51:24

Official story: Uncertain asset prices are causing banks to hold back on lending.

My take: Still-unaffordable asset prices (at least in the case of housing) coupled with a reversion to traditional underwriting standards are standing in the way of banks loaning much money. Once home prices have returned to affordable levls, mortgage lending will resume. The longer until affordability returns, the longer until mortgage lending recovers.

Wal Street Journal
* OPINION
* MARCH 23, 2009

My Plan for Bad Bank Assets

The private sector will set prices. Taxpayers will share in any upside.

By TIMOTHY GEITHNER

The American economy and much of the world now face extraordinary challenges, and confronting these challenges will continue to require extraordinary actions.

However, the financial system as a whole is still working against recovery. Many banks, still burdened by bad lending decisions, are holding back on providing credit. Market prices for many assets held by financial institutions — so-called legacy assets — are either uncertain or depressed. With these pressures at work on bank balance sheets, credit remains a scarce commodity, and credit that is available carries a high cost for borrowers.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 21:05:28

It is somehow reassuring to know a Nobel laureate has a similar viewpoint to that shared by many posters here.

Wall Street Journal
* OPINION: THE WEEKEND INTERVIEW
* MARCH 21, 2009

Now Is No Time to Give Up on Markets
By MARY ANASTASIA O’GRADY

Gary Becker, the winner of the 1992 Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences, is in New York to speak to a special meeting of the Mont Pelerin Society on the global meltdown. He has agreed to sit down to chat with me on the subject of his lecture.

Slumped in a soft chair in a noisy hotel coffee lounge, the 78-year-old University of Chicago professor is relaxed and remarkably humble for a guy who has achieved so much.

Mr. Becker sees the finger prints of big government all over today’s economic woes. When I ask him about the sources of the mania in housing prices, the first culprit he names is the Fed. Low interest rates, he says, were “partly, maybe mainly, due to the Fed’s policy of keeping [its] interest rates very low during 2002-2004.” A second reason rates were low was the “high savings rates primarily from Asia and also from the rest of the world.”

“People debate the relative importance of the two and I don’t think we know exactly,” Mr. Becker admits. But what is clear is that “when you have low interest rates, any long-lived assets tend to go up in price because they are based upon returns accruing over many years. When interest rates are low you don’t discount these returns very much and you get high asset prices.”

On top of that, Mr. Becker says, there were government policies aimed at “extending the scope of homeownership in the United States to low-credit, low-income families.” This was done through “the Community Reinvestment Act in the ’70s and then Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac later on” and it put many unqualified borrowers into the mix.

The third effect, Mr. Becker says, was the “bubble mentality.” By this “I mean that much of the additional lending and borrowing was based on expectations that prices would continue to rise at rates we now recognize, and should have recognized then, were unsustainable.”

Could this behavior be considered rational? “There is a lot of debate in economics about whether we can understand bubbles within a rational framework. There are models where you can do it, but it’s not easy,” he says. What he does seem sure about is that “the lending would not have continued unless there was this expectation that prices would continue to rise and therefore one could refinance these assets through the higher prices.” That mentality was at least partly related to Fed action, he says, because the low interest rates “generated an increase in prices and I think that helped generate some of this excess of optimism.”

Mr. Becker says that the market-clearing process, so important to recovery, is well underway. “Construction in new residential housing is way down and prices are way down. Maybe 25% down. Lower prices stimulate demand, reduced construction reduces supply.”

That’s the good news. But he complains about “counterproductive” government policies “designed to lower mortgage rates to stimulate demand.” He says he was against the Bush Treasury’s idea of capping mortgage rates (which was only floated) and he has “opposed the mortgage plan of President Obama.” “It goes against both these adjustments . . . it would hold up prices and increase construction. I think that’s a bad idea at this time.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 21:22:06

Financial Times
The fearsome become the fallen
By Peter Thal Larsen and Simon Briscoe
Published: March 22 2009 18:32 | Last updated: March 22 2009 18:32

The worst financial crisis since the second world war has not only forced governments across the western world to step in and rescue giant institutions. Amid the turmoil, there has also been a tectonic shift in banking’s centre of gravity.

A decade ago, a list of the world’s largest financial institutions was dominated by banks from the US and UK. Today, just four of the top 20 have their headquarters in the US, still the world’s largest economy. HSBC, at heart an emerging markets bank, is Britain’s sole representative.

After writing off more than $1,000bn (€734bn, £691bn) on complex debt instruments and raising hundreds of billions of dollars in fresh capital, many banks have watched their market value shrink to a fraction of its level at the peak of the boom.

Looking back 10 years, the banking industry in early 1999 was still dusting off the debris of the previous autumn, when the Asian economic crisis and near-collapse of Long-Term Capital Management in the US left some banks nursing large losses. Though few recognised it at the time, however, the industry was at the beginning of an eight-year growth spurt that would ultimately bring the world financial system to the brink of collapse.

The most striking are the fallen. Citigroup, which dominated the landscape for most of the past decade, now languishes at the bottom of the list and is in effect under government control. Lloyds TSB is now too small to register after its ill-judged rescue of HBOS.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 22:01:35

Not everyone is sold on the wisdom of yet another hair-of-the-dog stimulus program.

Obama’s toxic assets plan greeted with skepticism
By MARK WILLIAMS – 6 hours ago

The Obama administration’s latest plan to help banks get credit flowing again is drawing a tepid reaction from investors and academics, who say the proposal comes with too many strings attached and is unlikely to stimulate lending industrywide.

And even if banks are willing to start lending more money, they wonder if many people will be able to take on more credit until the economy gets going again.

“We went on a borrowing binge,” said Hugh Johnson, chairman and chief investment officer of Johnson Illington Advisors. “Debt levels, especially in households, are too high or unmanageable.”

The plan Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner intends to announce Monday aims to create a new government entity — the Public Investment Corp. — to help buy up to $1 trillion in toxic assets on banks’ books.

The initiative will seek to entice private investors, including big hedge funds, to participate. It will do so by offering billions of dollars in low-interest loans to finance the purchases and by sharing risks if assets fall further in value.

Analysts agree that stabilizing the banking system is crucial. But some wonder whether the proposal will create more problems.

“It’s quite possible we could make bad banks out of good banks,” Sung Won Sohn, professor of economic and finance at the Smith School at California State University, said Sunday.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 22:07:19

Why am I completely unsurprised at the news that BlackRock is first in line for participating in the Geithner rescue plan?

BlackRock to join U.S. Treasury toxic asset plan
Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:30am EDT

WASHINGTON, March 23 (Reuters) - BlackRock Inc (BLK.N), the largest U.S. publicly traded asset manager, said it would take part in the U.S. Treasury’s plan to cleanse banks of toxic assets in an investment management role.

“It is definitely our intention to get involved as one of the investment managers in this program,” BlackRock Managing Director Curtis Arledge said in a statement.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 22:09:59

Wormy apples — yum! Love that protein…

ABC News
How ‘Toxic Assets’ Are Like Bad Apples
Analogy of Bad Apple Spoiling Perception of Entire Batch Can Help Explain Problem
By JOHN HENDREN
March 22, 2009

The term “toxic assets” has now joined such historic terms of villainy as Watergate, junk bonds and Ponzi scheme.

Breaking down the recession’s biggest buzz word.

They’ve brought the nation’s banking system — and the economy — to the brink of collapse.

As the Treasury Department prepares to move forward with its plan to buy as much as $1 trillion in so-called “toxic assets” from the financial industry, it’s important to understand just what toxic assets are.

Toxic Assets, Defined

Imagine the bank as a fruit stand. It sells oranges, pineapples, grapes and apples — but there’s a problem with the apples.

“They look beautiful and delicious on the outside but inside there are these horrible worms,” Adam Davidson, a New York correspondent for National Public Radio, told ABC News. “They’re rotten. They’re disgusting. Suddenly you say whoa! I don’t wanna eat apples!”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-03-22 23:55:50

Wall Street Journal
* AHEAD OF THE TAPE
* MARCH 23, 2009

Bear Rallies Turn Market Into a Circus
By MARK GONGLOFF

If the latest bear-market rally in stocks already is over, stick around: Another should be on the way soon.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average last week ended, at least temporarily, a seven-day, 14% rebound from a 12-year low. Thus continued the wildest ride for stocks since at least the 1930s, according to various estimates of historical volatility.

Since this bear market began in October 2007, there have been several episodes of rip-roaring gains, including three S&P 500 revivals of more than 15%, including this latest bounce, according to data compiled by Morgan Stanley strategist Gerard Minack.

Such rallies are fairly typical of the worst markets. The 1929-32 bear market, with the S&P down 86%, featured nine rallies of 15% or more. The grim stretch between 1937 and 1942 was punctuated by nine 15% rallies, even as the S&P ultimately shed 60%.

 
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