March 25, 2009

The Market Is Taking Care Of This Issue

The Union Leader reports from New Hampshire. “Optimistic that the housing market in southern New Hampshire will stabilize by the end of this year, real estate agents are looking at two major infrastructure projects to spur on home sales in coming years. Plans to connect the F.E. Everett Turnpike with the south end of Manchester-Boston Regional Airport in Londonderry and to widen the Interstate 93 corridor from the Massachusetts border to Manchester should create a boom for employment, retail development and housing that will propel an already recovering real estate market to new heights, according to John Conley, president of the Granite State South Board of Realtors.”

“Gloria Koanfal, a realty agent with Fireside Real Estate since 1997, is less optimistic that the market is set for a rebound. ‘We are … incredibly slow,’ she said. ‘I don’t see it turning around for a while.’”

“She pointed to a glut in inventory in southern New Hampshire that needs to be dealt with before prices can begin to increase again. ‘There is a lot of building going on, and a lot of that has to be sold before anything picks up,’ Koanfal said. ‘Right now, of course, people aren’t moving. They are putting their houses on the market and blaming real estate agents for not selling them.’”

The Boston Herald from Massachusetts. “Boston’s housing market has sunk to its worst level since 2001 as home and condominium sales plummeted by nearly 30 percent in February. ‘There are qualified buyers out there ready to go, but they believe properties are still overpriced,’ said Gary Dwyer, broker-owner of Buyer Agents of Boston.”

“The median price of a single-family home fell to $242,834 last month in Boston, down from $302,500 a year ago, a 20 percent drop. Median condo sale prices fell by 27 percent to $280,000 in February, down from $339,000 a year ago, according to the Warren Group. The once-resilient luxury downtown Boston condominium market is also hurting. Sales are off by 43 percent in the Back Bay, Beacon Hill, South End and North End for the first two months of 2009 compared to a year ago, and prices are down nearly 9 percent.”

The Boston Globe. “‘Distressed property sales have become a bigger share of the market and will continue to be a factor going forward as lending institutions try to reduce their portfolio of real estate-owned property,’ Timothy M. Warren Jr., CEO of the Warren Group, said in a statement.”

The Daily News Transcript from Massachusetts. “The Massachusetts housing market still has not hit bottom. ‘I hate to say it, but I think it’s pretty much true,’ Timothy Warren Jr. said yesterday.”

“The real estate market is much the same locally, as sales numbers and prices are down significantly in Dedham, Norwood, Westwood and Walpole. In Dedham, 21 homes have been sold this year through February, compared to 25 at the same point a year ago, with a median price of $285,000, down 27.9 percent.

In Norwood, home sales were down from 13 to 11 for the same period, with the median price at $332,000, off 11.5 percent. Sales were down from 20 to 7 in Walpole, with the median price $330,000, a decrease of 19.4 percent. ‘It’s pretty much what the rest of the state is doing. No big differences,’ Warren said.”

“Home sales did bump up in September, October and December compared to the same months a year earlier. But January and February have seen double-digit declines in both sales and in the price of those homes. The 6 to 12 months of sales before prices begin to rise have yet to begin. ‘If you’re going to have that spinning your wheels for 6 or 12 months, you want the wheels to begin spinning soon,’ Warren said.”

The Cape Cod Times from Massachusetts. “The connection between rising unemployment and slumping real estate activity across the Cape and Islands was highlighted by two sets of economic indicators released yesterday. The unemployment rate on the Cape and Islands reached a 14-year high last month, with 11.5 percent of the region’s labor force out of work, according to numbers released by the state. Last year, at the same time, the jobless rate was 6.8 percent.”

“Also in February, sales of single-family homes in Barnstable County dropped 26.8 percent, falling from 194 sales in 2008 to 142 sales in 2009, according to The Warren Group. The median price of a single-family home fell 27.4 percent from $368,000 to $267,500 over the same time period.”

“‘People who have lost their jobs or don’t feel confident that they’ll be able to retain their jobs are not able to participate in the market on the buying side,’ said Michael Goodman, director of economic and public policy research for the University of Massachusetts Donahue Institute. ‘As people lose their income, they’re more likely to fall behind on their mortgage payments. There are more defaults and they’re forced to sell.’”

“Because prices have fallen so sharply over the past two years, the real estate deals that are available may soon be too tempting to resist, Goodman said. ‘At some point there’s a bottom at which point it becomes too good a deal for buyers to turn down,’ he said.”

The Associated Press. “The National Association of Realtors said…home sales in the northeast fell 14.9 percent over February 2008, but rose 15.6 percent over January, when adjusted for seasonal buying patterns. The median sale price for homes bought in the northeast dropped 4.8 percent over last year to $251,200, the smallest dip in the country. Nationally, the median sales price plunged to $165,400, down 15.5 percent from $195,800 a year earlier. That was the second-largest drop on record.”

“Home sales in seven major Northeast cities recorded double-digit declines in February, while median prices continue to fall across the region, according to The Associated Press-Re/Max Monthly Housing Report, also released Monday. Pittsburgh sales fell the most in the region, plunging nearly 44 percent in February from the year before. The median price there, however, only dipped 1.4 percent to $109,450, the best showing in the Northeast. Inventory fell by more than 23 percent year-over-year.”

“The city’s housing prices didn’t balloon like other places in the country, so its bust has been more moderate, said Sheryl Morgan, an agent in Canonsburg, Pa. But Morgan worries the recession will change the city’s fortunes. ‘I’ve lost two listings because of pay cuts,’ Morgan said. ‘They planned to move into a bigger home, but instead of selling and buying a new home, they’re staying and refinancing.’”

“Home sales in the suburban counties surrounding New York City — Suffolk, Nassau and Westchester counties…were off by 33 percent in February and the median price fell more than 13 percent to $370,000. The supply of unsold homes also grew by nearly 5 percent, the only area in the Northeast to show an increase.”

“Nearby in Passaic, N.J., home to many Manhattan commuters, February sales fell 23 percent, while prices dropped nearly 13 percent from a year ago to $311,000.”

“‘Distressed sales are almost a different segment of the market now,’ said real estate agent Julie Longtin, who is working with buyers like Justin Natale to buy foreclosures, renovate them and rent them. Natale is waiting to close on his latest investment, a bank-owned two-bedroom townhouse in downtown Providence, for $35,000. Last week, the bank asked to postpone the closing.”

“An investor since 2001, Natale hasn’t bought anything since 2005, when the market got out of control with loose lending and ‘cowboy investors,’ he said.”

The New York Post. “The madness is over. For obvious reasons, banks have finally stopped paying insane rents for still proliferating, huge Manhattan retail branches that serve mainly as ego-gratifying billboards. Manhattan retail brokers have long voiced awe over how much banks paid for new branches even making first offers that were higher than asking rents.”

“Some view it as demonstrating that banks ‘have no idea of the value of money,’ as a prominent retail broker who asked not to be named put it. This broker said, ‘They spent like drunken sailors. We could only shake our heads and laugh at the offers that came across our desks. Spaces we pro-formaed at, say, $100 would routinely fetch double that from a bank.’”

“‘To top it off, they insisted on locking in these rates for absurdly long periods of 15 or 20 years. Because they always signed with the parent corporation there is no way to get out of these absurdly overmarket obligations that will haunt them for years.’”

Crain’s New York. “Sales of multi-family and mixed-use buildings across the city dropped 37% in 2008—the steepest drop in two decades. The decline accelerated in the second half of 2008, when sales volume plummeted 45% from the same period a year ago, according to a new report.”

“The largest declines in transactions for properties valued between $500,000 and $100 million took place in Manhattan and the Bronx. There, sales volume dipped 54% and 60%, respectively, in the last half of 2008, according to…Miller Cicero, a commercial real estate advisory firm, and Massey Knakal Realty Services, a brokerage firm.”

“Many of the transactions that took place during the last half of the year were deals signed under contract prior to the Lehman Brothers collapse in September and the credit market freeze. ‘We will see a shift over the next year or two,’ said Mr. Knakal. ‘As distressed sellers have no options we will see a reduction in value.’”

“Declining Manhattan rents are taking a toll on Equity Residential, a large real estate investment trust that owns 47 apartment buildings in the New York metropolitan area. The Chicago-based REIT appears to be among those most vulnerable to the deteriorating market here, according to Macquarie Research, an investment bank. Equity Residential’s New York City buildings are high-end luxury rentals which draw many of their tenants from Wall Street, where firms are cutting back and employees are suddenly looking to pinch pennies.”

“Since February alone, Equity Residential has lowered its Manhattan asking rents by an average of 13%, said Michael Levy, an analyst at Macquarie. That reduction came on top of a 15% cut over the previous year. he noted that the greatest asking-rent declines took place at Equity Residential’s Trump Place buildings on the Upper West Side, where rents fell by an average of 15.5% at 1,325 units. The biggest drops were for studio apartments, where rents were lowered by 19%.”

“‘This is troubling, given our view that Trump Place is Equity Residential’s regional crown jewel,’ Mr. Levy wrote. ‘In this market we find that the upper-end of the rental market is getting hit harder in terms of having to lower asking rent.’”

The Hartford Courant from Connecticut. “We’re losing our young people! A Jan. 23 New Haven Register article says what is oft repeated: ‘Connecticut has lost a higher percentage of 25- to 34-year-old workers since 1990 than any other state.’”

“Orlando Rodriguez, demographer and head of the State Data Center at UConn, suggests looking at the nuances in the numbers. For example, the young people who do leave tend to be the more educated ones, usually leaving in search of jobs. The ones who stay tend to be less well educated, which bodes ill for the future workforce. Also, since a peak in 2003-2005 at 523,100, the state’s public school population has begun to drop.”

“So before the state turns into one big Medicaid nursing home, we need to get moving. We need to improve the business climate and enhance the quality of life so we can create and attract real jobs. We need to stop building so much ‘active adult’ housing for people leaving the workforce and build something for the people trying to enter the workforce. We need to leverage what is here — great hospitals, corporations and universities — into more business opportunities.”

The Stamford Advocate from Connecticut. “Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd on Monday endorsed as ‘an important step forward’ in the Obama administration’s plan to take over as much as $1 trillion in sour mortgage securities with the help of private investors.”

“‘”In order to turn this economy around and help families in Connecticut and across the nation get back on their feet, we must end the rising number of foreclosures, unfreeze our credit markets and stabilize the banking sector,’ he said. ‘The Obama administration has already recognized that the root cause of our problem is the housing crisis, and is working with Congress to help American families keep their homes.’”

The Norwich Bulletin from Connecticut. “Killingly and Plainfield are among 12 Connecticut towns with high foreclosure rates named to receive a slice of the federal stimulus package to purchase and rehabilitate foreclosed homes. However, town officials said Tuesday they aren’t sure if the funds will be helpful.”

“First Selectman Paul Sweet said he has not received much information about the funds. But he said it’s unlikely the town would receive enough to re-purchase a majority of foreclosed homes. ‘It’s not going to be easy to take advantage of this program,’ Sweet said. ‘It may be something we can’t take advantage of.’”

“Killingly Town Council Chairman Robert Young said he thought the idea for the program was good, but wasn’t sure it would be useful for Killingly. Young, a lawyer, said he frequently deals with cases in bankruptcy court. He said he has seen a phenomenon developing in the last month where more and more foreclosed homes re-enter the market at a lower price and are sold.”

“‘If the market is taking care of this issue, then I don’t want to turn the town into a real estate speculator,’ Young said. ‘This may be something we pass on.’”




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Comment by exeter
2009-03-25 09:42:16

“Home sales in seven major Northeast cities recorded double-digit declines in February, while median prices continue to fall across the region,”

AND

“The supply of unsold homes also grew by nearly 5 percent, the only area in the Northeast to show an increase.”

Welcome to the housing crash in the Northeast folks. Now that “we’re not Florida or Californa” won’t work, what’s your excuse now?

EAT IT.

Comment by WT Economist
2009-03-25 09:55:12

Our problem is that we’re behind the curve — New York is even behind Boston. People and businesses are going to start hearing that housing is becomming affordable elsewhere and leave.

The fact that prices are starting to fall is a good thing. I just hope it isn’t too little too late.

Comment by Ben Jones
2009-03-25 10:01:22

I’ll take it a step further; that housing prices are falling rapidly IS a stabilization.

‘If you’re going to have that spinning your wheels for 6 or 12 months, you want the wheels to begin spinning soon,’ Warren said.’

 
Comment by WT Economist
2009-03-25 10:02:43

“The median sale price for homes bought in the northeast dropped 4.8 percent over last year to $251,200, the smallest dip in the country. Nationally, the median sales price plunged to $165,400, down 15.5 percent from $195,800 a year earlier.”

See what I mean.

Now perhaps the Northeast is worth a little more than the U.S. on average, but not that much more. Excluding Wall Street, the average worker in the NY area earned about 1/3 more than the U.S. average. It was 1/4 more a generation ago. Add 25% to the U.S. average price and you get $207K for the NY area. That may be what people are willing to buy for, but it is not yet what they are willing to sell for.

Comment by Danni
2009-03-25 10:12:13

That may be what people are willing to buy for, but it is not yet what they are willing to sell for.

AMEN!!!!!

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Comment by mikey
2009-03-25 17:06:57

I just got a call from one of my banks at home. Seems a newbie “Personal Banker” has all kind of magical loans, wonderful investments and other goodies that she wants to give me. She wants to meet me. ha ha ha

I’m surprised that my cute young bank manager Emily or Bank Security didn’t warn her about me.

Guess one day I’ll stop by and Flash and Dazzle her with my brand new HBB T-shirt while I have coffee and flirt with her boss.

Thanks Ben…. :)

 
 
Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2009-03-25 10:55:12

Bahstin has been really slow going down
folks like cold weather ,rude people and gettin taxed up the booty
I’m from NE and no one ever goes back

Comment by Northeastener
2009-03-25 12:06:40

Bahstin has been really slow going down
folks like cold weather ,rude people and gettin taxed up the booty

That’s one way to look at it. Another way would be that we like having four distinct seasons, including winter.

When almost a third of your working population works for government in some fashion, taxes are bound to be high. When you have a democratic majority in government, taxes will be even higher.

I can’t say much about the rude people… I’ve lived here most of my life and my closest friends are life-long friends, and have been since highschool. I have relatives who live in Maryland and from what they say, people are friendly, but they don’t have any “close” friends…

On an unrelated note: article on Bloomberg about budget cuts and students/families up in arms at Boston Latin. Too bad one of the few public schools that actually works is about to make some hard choices in what to cut and what to keep…

 
Comment by Julius
2009-03-25 13:41:07

Amen. I used to be from southern NH and went to Ohio for college. Coming back after a few years was a revelation - the people around there are some of the most terribly behaved around. Day-to-day driving is an exercise in being a bigger douche than all the people around you.

If you live there and “don’t see it”, it’s only because you’ve gotten used to it.

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-03-25 18:59:43

I’m from NE, and I know I’m NOT going back.

Comment by Leighsong
2009-03-25 22:42:28

Curtsey ~

Not going back to Pittsburg, no matter how many times Grams begs!

Of course, I still visit, my Grams!

Leigh ;)

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Comment by jane
2009-03-26 00:36:21

I’m from there too. Notwithstanding the traffic, I prefer NOVA.

 
 
 
Comment by gather no moss
2009-03-26 03:34:36

I hear you about the weather in boston. It’ 28 degrees this morning, happy spring!

 
 
Comment by shelby
2009-03-25 11:35:10

Bbbuutttt not D.C. / NoVa / MD !!

We have all the jobs & all the bailout money is filtered thru here!!

Our RE Market is holding up Ok - right???

Comment by desertdweller
2009-03-25 18:46:09

Steel exported from China since 2000 has increased by 450%.
Now over 1/3 of our steel comes from China. We used to have good steel jobs for middle America. Ain’t coming back, those jobs.
China has sealed that deal and will probably increase their production and export to the US and abroad.
Any business in the US would like even a portion of that 450% ++.
2000 -2009. Who was in office and controlled congress during those yrs?

Comment by pismoclam
2009-03-25 21:03:07

China also got the US condom contract. Alabama town lost out.Now that’s one product that I will always US. hehehehehehe

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Comment by varelse
2009-03-26 05:22:06

Oh no you don’t. The steel industry in America has been DOA for years now, not just starting in 2000. There is plenty to pin on the old administration, no need to go around inventing new stuff as well.

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Comment by mikey
2009-03-25 12:53:53

The Hartford Courant from Connecticut. “We’re losing our young people! A Jan. 23 New Haven Register article says what is oft repeated: ‘Connecticut has lost a higher percentage of 25- to 34-year-old workers since 1990 than any other state

“So before the state turns into one big Medicaid nursing home, we need to get moving. We need to improve the business climate and enhance the quality of life so we can create and attract real jobs. We need to stop building so much ‘active adult’ housing for people leaving the workforce and build something for the people trying to enter the workforce. We need to leverage what is here — great hospitals, corporations and universities — into more business opportunities.

I believe a lot of the other cities and state governments better start considering just WHAT they are OFFERING it’s citizens both
young and old. Sound government policies and spending, fair taxes and general overall quality of life are important as well a well paying jobs and “sunshine” for some.

Screw over your citizens too much, Oh Mighty Cities and States, …and you are going to look like downtown Gary or Detroit if they CAN ESCAPE your trap.
:)

Comment by mikey
2009-03-25 13:25:39

Metro area unemployment rose to 8.1%
By Joel Dresang of the Journal Sentinel

Unemployment in metro Milwaukee rose to 8.1% last month from 4.8% in February 2008 as the four-county area continued shedding jobs, the state Department of Workforce Development reported Wednesday.

The unemployment rate, measuring the inability of job-seekers to find work, increased in each of Wisconsin’s metropolitan areas. Two areas had double-digit rates, with the Racine area at 10.2% and the Janesville area at 13%. The rates are not adjusted for seasonal fluctuations.

All the areas also had fewer payroll jobs than 12 months earlier, with the Milwaukee area losing 29,500 positions or 3.6% from February 2008.

“Like every other state in the nation, Wisconsin is seeing increases in unemployment across most localities that underscore the economic challenges our country faces,” Workforce Development Secretary Roberta Gassman said in a statement

http://www.jsonline.com/business/41836212.html

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-03-25 14:29:06

Rockford, IL unemployment is well over 13%. The So. WI/ No. IL former industrial cities are up a creek. Janesville, Beloit, Kenosha, Racine, Peoria, Quad Cities - hard times are here.

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Comment by mikey
2009-03-25 15:32:16

EJ,

Unfortunately, I believe that it’s going to be rougher in these areas than most people imagined. So much for an informed public through the Power of the Press.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Northeastener
2009-03-25 09:47:49

Give it some time… all the layoffs over the last six months need to work through the system. Forced sales and foreclosures will follow in due time. Also, per a WSJ article last week, Fannie has tightened up significantly on condo financing… that will have a huge impact on newer condo developments.

Comment by DinOR
2009-03-25 10:38:04

Oh that’s right. What with all the “off their heads” last week that kind of ‘did’ get swept under the carpet? Important nonetheless. Nothing like closing the barn door..?

I tend to think though that a great many that have been laid off have already picked their fights? Can’t hang on to everything, so is it going to be the vacation home… or the Hummer… or the house..?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-03-25 11:13:09

Anecdotal evidence: It will be the vacation home. Heard this very story at the hair saloon earlier this month.

Comment by DinOR
2009-03-25 11:42:47

I suppose for all affected, it will be a personal choice. After disconnecting the cable TV and other measures fail to provide any relief, hard choices come next.

Any way you slice it, some of the creditors will get thrown under the bus. I kind of wonder w/ my in-laws? I think they are ‘less’ under water on their vacation home and it ‘would’ be within commuting distance to work!

In cases where the vac. home is in -another- state, buh bye.

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Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-03-25 11:47:25

The hair saloon?

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-03-25 12:31:32

Slim’s term for the hair cuttery. I, ahem, borrowed it from a friend who liked to call it “the beauty saloon.”

 
 
 
 
Comment by whyoung
2009-03-25 12:00:58

I agree it’s just a matter of time for things to work through.

It takes a while to burn through the severance money and stop paying the bills.

Considering how few people truly have an emergency fund, even with a reduced “lifestyle” very few can get by on unemployment benefits for long.

And eventually there will be even more “emotional contagion” as those who are still employed see their unluckier peers go from bad to worse situations.

Have a friend who volunteers at a soup kitchen on the UWS that was quite shaken when a former colleague was a client… things like that begin to make it “real”

Comment by DinOR
2009-03-25 12:31:22

Normally I’d agree, but we’re totally discounting “The 3rd Income”.

If you look at a lot of the people being foreclosed on in many parts of the country, most have only -recently- been laid off. How do you go from fully employed to NOD before you even process your unemployment claim?

Many of the MSM sob stories feature people that bought their latest upgrade home NLTN 2006. My guess is that many stopped making payments when the ATM got shut down ( not when they got laid off ) I’m just not sure there’s all that much more to “work through”?

 
Comment by Julius
2009-03-25 13:44:50

I still don’t understand why all of this “working through the system” is taking so long to happen. Most of us agree that very few people before the boom had any sort of substantial savings or “rainy day” fund. Were the most irresponsible people cleaned out last year, leaving the people with a little bit more capital to hold on tooth and nail?

The major news outlets have all these stories today about how a “housing recovery” is starting up. Homebuilder stocks soared today. WTF is going on? The fundamentals in most regions are still terrible.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-03-25 18:54:50

Steel exported from China since 2000 has increased by 450%.
Now over 1/3 of our steel comes from China. We used to have good steel jobs for middle America. Ain’t coming back, those jobs.
China has sealed that deal and will probably increase their production and export to the US and abroad.
Any business in the US would like even a portion of that 450% ++.
2000 -2009. Who was in office and controlled congress during those yrs?

woopsie, guess that spamarama thingy is working to keep my posts from posting.

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Comment by jay
2009-03-25 19:35:18

yes, but there are some out there with cash…myself i saved as i was priced out for years…now buying cash. my mom is retired and now going to buy one in phoenix on the cheap all cash and i think she should buy a second in another year if they continue to fall. my bro got an inheritance…too bad i was not in with the grandparents…he is looking to buy and rent it to his wifes brother. give him cheap rent and he would do well on the deal over time. then, a co worker never owned and is now looking! so, i personally know of 4 houses that could be bought in phoenix in the next year. so, that is why i am fine doing my first offer now- i have looked for a year now and waited, i’m not waiting for a bottom…because we don’t know exactly when the bottom is arriving. i also wont discount the fed and the spending programs and the possibility the gov’t will tell all the ones still in the houses to just stay put for 2-3 years rent free. i guess it happened in the depression. houses are at a 10-12 year low and now is the time to start to look! of course for me it is cheaper than renting now so what the heck! i’m tired of those noisy neighbors!

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-03-25 14:31:51

Good points northeasterner and whyoung, all that’s happened has most certainly not worked its way through the system - and that should refute the argument that all the bad news has been “priced in”.

 
 
Comment by not a gator
2009-03-25 09:56:45

Conn is losing young people for the same reason as Massachusetts: excessively high cost of living! And that begins with ridiculous rents. Add in the insane competition for good jobs for the educated (since so many have degrees), and you’ve got a ‘leave the state’ cocktail coming up.

Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-03-25 12:43:59

OTOH……..out here in flyover country, all the kids are disappearing too (at least the ones that aren’t 16 year old single-moms/GED grads). And Rent/Cost of Living is dirt cheap compared to either coast.

Where are all the college-grads going? Is there a factory somewhere making Soylent Green, except they are using young, college graduates only? Aliens secretly visiting Earth with a copy of “To Serve Man”……….

It won’t be long before some country (China?, Australia?, Canada?, Russia?) starts recruiting our “best and brightest” to move to “a new frontier” and leave the “U.S. of Charlie-Foxtrot” behind.

(aka “walking away because they have no equity”)

Comment by DinOR
2009-03-25 12:51:52

X,

And wouldn’t it only serve us right? In essence, isn’t that what the kids that joined the service have -already- done?

In the early 80’s I recall a LOT of Navy guys talked about coming back to Australia for good. At the time our economy sucked and they didn’t have any designs on making a career out of the military. Some seemed to be “shopping” for a new home.

Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-03-25 14:13:37

I’ve been developing the view that this country is to FUBAR’d to fix.

Half the country wants to blame all these problems on the Shrub…..the other half wants to blame everything on Obama and the Democrats. Everyone seems to think the other parties politicians belong in jail.

Being a life long Republican, I held my nose and voted for Obama, because there was NO WAY that I was going to vote to let the current Republican Brain Trust keep their hands on the tiller, because of the screwed up decisions that they have made in the past eight years, on pretty much everything. Hurricane Katrina was a real eye-opener for me…….when it bacame obvious that even critial positions in the government were being run by Bush/Republican party hacks, instead of people who knew what they were doing.

(yeah, I know……the Democrats did this, they didn’t do that, yada-yada………the simple fact of the matter is that the Federal Government is the only entity that had the money, equipment and manpower to deal with a disaster of that size, and they blew it.)

One thing that I find amazing is all the crap being thrown Obama’s way in the past couple of months, from the e-mail peanut galley. All kinds of outrageous B.S., up to and including “evidence” that he is the Anti-Christ. No amount of discussion will convince them (or even sway them momentarily) that the LAST thing we need right now is all this back-stabbing/bickering.

Give the guy a chance, people……..about thiry-forty years worth of moronic policies and wasted money by BOTH parties have come to a head.

Young people came to the USA in the 19th and early 20th Century to find a place where there were better opportunities. Nothing says that it can’t reverse direction.

Suppose China took the $800 billion that they are sitting on, and decided to recruit ALL of our newly minted engineers, scientists, and medical doctors, by offering relocation stipends, building new facilities, even paying for the airline tickets and student loans. In the current climate here, I’m betting a BUNCH of them would GTF out of Dodge……

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Comment by DinOR
2009-03-25 09:59:04

“huge Manhattan retail branches that serve mainly as huge ego-gratifying billboards”

LOL! You always had to know those guys were a JOKE! When I worked for FleetBoston they completely rennovated an entire floor at SW 5th & Columbia in Portland only to shut it down a year and half later. No, they do *not know the value of money.

 
Comment by j1mbo01
2009-03-25 10:02:07

It is not different here………………when a family making 90k (me) cannot buy a home in a decent community, that is a problem. People say that Boston has higher ed, technology, and other “industries” that make housing more expensive here, but it is a lie. People have just been living off of equity since 2000 here. Some people make a decent salary here, but I know for a fact that most families do not make 100k+ (what is needed to afford a sucky starter home)…………so why is the housing still expensive? If you look at home prices from 1992-1997 they were affordable. Now they are not. All of the same industries were here then. I am a part time real estate agent, and when I search public records around here it is amazing how many times owners of homes have re-financed and pulled equity out of their homes.

The only problem I can predict is that people are not going to be leaving their homes anytime soon unless they have too. What is coming on the market here falls into 3 categories; foreclosures (which are mostly in poor shape and not worth it unless you have cash to repair it), estate sales (which are dated and older, but can be an OK deal for the time being, they will be considered overpriced a year or two from now) and overpriced wishers (people who bought from 2000-2008 or people who withdrew equity).

Boston is definitely in the denial stage right now.

If anyone needs info on the Boston Market, stats, opinions, feel free to e-mail me at J1mbo01@aol.com.

I have been lurking on here for a while and I have to say that this is the best site out there. I love to hear what people have to say about this and love reading the comments. BTW I myself am not yet a homeowner, just in case anyone was wondering!

 
Comment by JimboAC
2009-03-25 10:28:01

Hey, can’t the REIC look forward to an NCAA Tourney bounce similar to the famous Super Bowl bounce? You remember that, don’t you? “Thank god, people will finally start to pay attention and see all the bargains waiting around them, just begging to be ’snapped up.’” Like all those couch potatoes would be out there bidding up house prices in a frenzy if not for televised sports. Sure.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-03-25 11:15:52

Yeah, but after the NCAA Tourney ends, you’ve got baseball season. And how do you expect people to pay attention to house-hunting once baseball season starts?

 
 
Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2009-03-25 10:51:25

counties buying up foreclosures- my co became the biggest landlord in 05-06
that’s how gov works- buy at the peak , get re-elected

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-03-25 11:16:57

City of Tucson’s been noisin’ around about doing the same thing. Fat lotta good that will do.

 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-25 10:55:59

“An investor since 2001, Natale hasn’t bought anything since 2005, when the market got out of control with loose lending and ‘cowboy investors,’ he said.”

Okay, this is ticky and minatory, but I object to this mis-characterization of cowboys. Real cowboys are neat-o. All the ones I’ve ever known were practical and prudent.

Comment by bink
2009-03-25 11:45:43

And space cowboys are the best of all?

Firefly!

Comment by Ben Jones
2009-03-25 12:06:12

Firefly was a pretty good show.

 
 
Comment by Skip
2009-03-25 12:05:14

Mammas Don’t Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys

–Willie Nelson

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-03-25 16:26:31

Space Cowboy

Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
Some call me the gangster of love
Some people call me Maurice
Cause I speak of the pompitous of love

People talk about me, baby
Say I’m doin’ you wrong, doin’ you wrong
Well, don’t you worry baby
Don’t worry
Cause I’m right here baby, right here, right here, right here at home

Cause I’m a picker
I’m a grinner
I’m a lover
And I’m a sinner
I play my music in the sun

I’m a joker
I’m a smoker
I’m a midnight toker
I sure don’t want to hurt no one

Cause I’m a picker
I’m a grinner
I’m a lover
And I’m a sinner
I play my music in the sun

I’m a joker
I’m a smoker
I’m a midnight toker
I get my lovin on the run
Wooo Woooo
Wooo Hooooo

You’re the cutest thing
That I ever did see
I really love your peaches
Want to shake your tree
Lovey-dovey, lovey-dovey, lovey-dovey all the time
Ooo-eee baby, I’ll sure show you a good time…

-Steve Miller

Comment by Wickedheart
2009-03-25 18:47:59

The Joker

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Comment by mikey
2009-03-25 13:04:03

Most of the “real cowboys” I’ve know had broken bones and were “broke” more than their cutting ponies :)

 
Comment by Rancher
2009-03-25 13:12:34

Thank you Oly!

Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-03-25 14:17:47

Save a horse……..

Comment by mikey
2009-03-25 14:53:42

“Save a horse……..” or you might end up walking in this recession.

“It’s a Great time to Buy !” …the “Farm”.
:)

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Comment by Blano
2009-03-25 16:00:05

One of my favorite songs EVER………

http://www.ilike.com/artist/Thin+Lizzy/track/Cowboy+Song

 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-03-25 19:10:27

C’Boys have the cutest butts in levis I ever saw.. thanks Oly/SFOgal!

 
 
Comment by stan musial (ted williams)
2009-03-25 11:30:12

Two years ago I drove thru the Pebble Beach area. Already then, it was a forest of “for sale” signs. I suspect most of the disappearing dwellers had spent a few months, tops, in their luxurious unaffordable digs.

Comment by DinOR
2009-03-25 12:06:48

stan,

Too funny. I sure hope they thought it was worth scuh-rewing their finances for LIFE! Oh… I’m sure “these are people with money” ( as realtors were fond of saying during the boom times ) so none of these people were ‘forced to sell’ right?

 
 
Comment by polly
2009-03-25 12:55:48

I was in MA over the weekend for a family funeral. No one talked about being in trouble with mortgages or jobs (one cousin had walked on a mortgage but didn’t talk about it), but the stock market used up a little air. I expressed an opinion that we were in a bear market rally for the moment, and wouldn’t have gotten more specific, but my mother announced I was the family “permabear,” so I had to admit to selling in August ‘07. Believe me, people wanted to know how I knew and why I didn’t tell them at the time.

Oh, and the cousin that walked from a house in Florida? She evidently did it to take a new job after being laid off. When I explained to my brother that the requirements of non-recourse mortgage were to pay the money OR turn the collateral over to the lender and that the walk away part was contemplated in the original agreement, he was willing to reject our mother’s generally snitty attitude to the cousin.

Of course, I was also smacked in the side of the head by the realization that in the end, all we get is about 7 ft by 2 ft by 6 ft of land, or less depending on the custom you choose.

Comment by bink
2009-03-25 13:37:47

I’ll be happy to feed the fishes.. though I doubt they’ll get much enjoyment from it.

Comment by Blano
2009-03-25 16:03:46

After your little BSG faux paus the other day, I’m surprised you’re not already floating.

 
 
Comment by Julius
2009-03-25 13:50:53

Family “permabear”? LOL

This rally is nothing but a manufactured dead cat bounce. Suddenly all the media today seem to be calling bottoms and pointing out how much better our situation now is than it was in the Great Depression. I’m calling BS on them and pointing out how they seem to be taking marching orders from the Fed and elsewhere - “tell the media outlets everything is GREAT now! There’s NEVER been a better time to buy!”

Yawn. Wake me up in a week when the auto and retail sales numbers come out. Credit Suisse First Boston (which has tended to be one of the most realistic analysis outlets since this collapse started) has revised their overall auto sales numbers WAY down for this month after noting that the fundamentals for everything have gotten much worse recently.

Comment by rms
2009-03-25 23:21:37

In engineering things can get complicated, and a good rule of thumb is to double-check the simple concepts to see if things make sense. The simplest is continuity, i.e., what’s going out should equal what’s coming in. Too few economists are willing to realize the limits of the median $50k/yr family income.

 
 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-03-25 13:56:31

Yes, yes, this Tolstoy-ian sentiment (or “Jewish grandmom-sentiment”) is all good and dandy but what matters is what you do between the two bookends! :-D

 
Comment by mikey
2009-03-25 15:15:13

If I die, for all I care, my LL can squish me into a giant Hefty Bag, drag me to the curb and leave me for the City to haul away.

“I plan to Live Forever ..or Die in the Attempt”

the crazy (?) B-25 bombardier, Catch-22…Bombs away :)

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-03-25 14:32:29

Just a little memorial for my uncle, who passed away last night
-Air Force Vet/mechanic for the “Thunderbirds”
-OK AG vet
-American Airlines mechanic for 30 years
-The guy that got me started in this not-exactly-financially-lucrative, but-definitely-not-boring career.

My fondest memory was visiting him on the farm when I was in A&P school…..he was tying up something on a fence with some baling wire…….it made me laugh, because he was doing it the “six turns/inch” method for twisting “safety wire” they had taught us in school, 20 years apart.

Just an illustration that there is a “right” way to do everything, even when nobody is standing over your shoulder making you do it.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-03-25 16:30:00

So sorry to hear about your uncle. Did he have a good life X-GSfixer?

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-03-25 19:14:57

Sorry to hear about your loss and one of my coworkers exit.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-03-25 20:19:46

GSfixer, desertdweller & Housing Wizard-
Sorry to hear of your uncle’s death GSfixer. I hope he lived a happy life full of love. You evidently respected him, and have some fond memories.

Housing Wizard-
My heart goes out to you on the loss of your beloved wife. I was so sad to read the news. We’re here to listen, should you need some friends.

desertdweller-
Last, but not least,I am sorry to hear of your co-worker’s passing. People we work with become part of our lives. Sorry for your loss.

 
 
Comment by jane
2009-03-26 00:57:40

GS, condolences. Sounds like a good guy, a role model, and a person who had his values right. Bet he had a sense of humor, too.

 
 
Comment by EggMan
2009-03-25 14:37:42

“said Mr. Knakal. ‘As distressed sellers have no options we will see a reduction in value.’”

– can I complain about this a little? What we’ll see is a reduction in PRICE, along with an increase in VALUE.

Value is what you get for your money. Price is the amount of money changing hands. When the price goes down, the value received goes up.

– or am I missing something?

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-03-25 16:01:53
Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-03-25 17:14:30

The amazing thing is, all these vacant houses everywhere, and others denied shelter.

I wish there was some way to convey to the REIC types the human toll of the criminal nonsense that went on. I’m not even talking about the fraud.

 
 
Comment by jay
2009-03-25 19:22:19

77k here in phoenix- anyhow i’m going to keep you all updated on how my offer to wells fargo is going. Still waiting to get the bank acceptance back.. they are either taking their time due to all the houses or holding onto mine hoping for a better deal. We will see, if they go for the deal i offered i buy…if they are pulling crap by stalling me since i am all cash and get someone else to pay more…on to the next one!! if the inspection shows anything major, i hit the bank for the cost! there are over 1000k coming in zip 85032 in the next 3 months. so, everything is on my side! realtytrac.com is great for info on that ! anyhow, i will look at this as a learning experience for buying. i made the offer 1 week ago, and still the bank has not sent the paperwork back showing they took the deal. Thinking about it, if i were a bank i would want atleast 1 week to see if i get more offers. but, then i could get pissed and say sorry you took so long and i’m on to the next one. anyhow, since my offer already expired, i only gave them 3 days, i have continued to look every day as new properties hit the market. i still want the one i made the offer on, there is alot of crap out there in phoenix for 60-70k! the house for 77k will work great for me if wells fargo can get moving on it! most, in bad areas are less than 50k!

Comment by desertdweller
2009-03-25 22:06:59

Good luck,

let us know when it happens.

 
 
Comment by nyc-is-different
2009-03-25 19:53:33

NYC will bottom when NY Case-Shiller YOY passes back through zero. Yeah, yeah, the index only covers used single family homes excluding most brownstones and all co-ops and condos but relavant on the way up, +200%, relevant on the way down.

 
Comment by Jack
2009-03-26 04:36:45

California house prices are far from being affordable.
The market bubble was so out of control that it really needs a deep deep drop to catch up with the national housing market.
Still with the much lower house prices, you cannot afford to buy a house in California and with unemployment being record-high, it’s even worse now. No job and high taxes does not encourage people to buy in California. Many wish to sell so that they can get out of this tax-crazy unfriendly business state. CA is a disaster !!

 
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