March 29, 2009

This Lack Of Money Floating Around

A report from the Idaho Statesman. “Legal advertisements announcing foreclosure auctions fill page after page of the Idaho Statesman and other newspapers. And advertisers hawk sure-fire methods to make money at the auctions. But very few auctions actually take place in the Treasure Valley. Most that do usually result in repossession of the home by the lender - not a purchase by a savvy investor or a lucky home-buyer. Branch manager Jared Larsen…of Alliance Title Co. in Caldwell said he often reads his legal notices to an empty room. Of the 342 trustee’s deeds (documents used to transfer ownership from a trustee, usually a title company) recorded in Ada County so far this year, only 23 have been transferred to third-party purchasers, according to Bobbi Oldfield, trust officer at Alliance Title. A third party is anyone other than the lender or homeowner.”

“In Canyon County, only eight of 282 trustee’s deeds have transferred to third parties this year. When no third party submits a winning bid, the deed is transferred from the trustee to the lender. Some foreclosures have been postponed by large national lenders because relief programs are coming out that may help borrowers stay in their homes by modifying or refinancing existing loans. ‘They’re hedging their bets as they try to find ways to avoid giving the properties away,’ said Jeremy Bordner, VP of residential lending at Idaho First Bank in Boise.”

“Daniel Starke got a reprieve when his mortgage servicer postponed the foreclosure auction of his neatly kept three-bedroom home in Northwest Boise last week. Now he has a few more weeks to try to find a buyer and arrange a short sale. The Iraq War veteran lost his job as a heating and air-conditioning repairman. He fell behind on his house payments last year. Starke said he has cashed out his retirement plan and looked into loan-modification programs offered by the federal government, but without a job he doesn’t qualify.”

“He expects he’ll re-enlist. ‘All I have to do is put my butt on the line, save my money and I’ll come back with a clean slate,’ he said.”

The Bend Bulletin from Oregon. “Only 268 building permits were issued in Bend in 2008, down roughly 60 percent from 2007 when 676 were issued and down 80 percent from 2006, when 1,348 were issued, according to the Bend-based Bratton Appraisal Group’s monthly Bratton Report. 2009 also has gotten off to a slow start.”

“It’s not stopping the Central Oregon Builders Association from proceeding with its annual Tour of Homes in July. The show is providing hope for local builders, including Mike and Cindy O’Neil, who own and operate SolAire Homebuilders in Bend. This summer, it’s all the more important, according to O’Neil. She believes people will be paying more attention than in years past, as pent-up demand and low prices will motivate would-be homebuyers to jump back into the market.”

“‘Last year, I was optimistic we were heading toward the end of the downturn in terms of pricing pressure, but I was wrong,’ O’Neil said. ‘Now, I definitely think we are scraping the bottom because it’s all anyone talks about. When all you see is how bad this is, I’m pretty sure we’re at the bottom. Short of a national disaster, I can’t see any other shoe to drop. The bank part is unwinding, the pricing problems with overinflated prices for homes and land in Central Or-egon has unwound substantially, so I’m pretty optimistic.’”

“O’Neil said the couple almost built a spec home for the 2006 Tour of Homes but chose not to. If they had, O’Neil guesses they would likely still be holding it. ‘We’re still standing now because we didn’t build it, so we’re proud to still be standing but feel bad for the builders that got blindsided by the market,’ O’Neil said.”

The Oregonian. “Since converting from condos to rentals last fall, as the housing market collapsed, Cyan PDX has aggressively reached out to young professionals. But this is a tough time to fill an apartment building. At first, unraveling home sales appeared to be good news for rentals. But as the recession deepens and unemployment rates climb, so do vacancy rates as more renters double-up or move in with family.”

“Cyan had lots of company when it abandoned plans to sell its 354 units as condos. Between 2008 and 2010, central Portland is gaining an unprecedented 3,100 luxury apartments, according to a new report by analyst Greg LeBlanc. Nearly 1,300 luxury rentals will open in the next five months, according to the LeBlanc report. Many are throwing in perks, from free rent and parking to a get-out-of-your-lease clause for tenants who lose jobs.”

“‘The problem with the market right now is, it’s getting more crowded,’ LeBlanc says. ‘They have no choice but to be aggressive.’”

“At peak construction pace in recent years, Lane County home builders finished about 1,500 houses per year and that sustained as many as 6,000 jobs while it lasted — more than the University of Oregon and more than PeaceHealth employ, said Elliot Eisenberg, the Washington, D.C.-based senior economist with the National Association of Home Builders.”

“‘When you build 1,500 homes, you are the largest employer in town, bigger than health care,’ he recently told a gathering sponsored by the Home Builders Association of Lane County. Now the annual house production has plunged to about 400, and the loss of employment locally has been devastating, he said. ‘It’s a two-thirds decline. You’re losing tons of jobs.’”

“‘Construction — both residential and commercial — has really carried our state’s economy for many years. When we collapsed, the state’s economy collapsed,’ said John Chandler, executive director of the Oregon Home Builders Association.”

“Eisenberg said he has witnessed the effect in Eugene. ‘I walk downtown and this restaurant is closed, and that restaurant closed and that restaurant closed. I bet half the restaurant closures are due to this lack of money floating around,’ he said.”

The News Tribune from Washington. “As a rookie broker at a mom-and-pop mortgage company in Federal Way, Rob Collins had a killer month writing loans in the frothy, frenzied 2005 housing market. He made $37,000. So he took $5,000 in cash and his fiancée, Heidi, to Bellevue Square. ‘I told her, ‘We’re not leaving here until we spend it all,’ Rob recalled this week.”

“Over the following 18 plentiful months, Rob bought a used BMW M3 high-performance sports car, upgraded to a better mortgage company, bought a Hilltop house in Tacoma with Heidi, then married her. Last June, Rob, 29, lost his job writing mortgages for U.S. Bank because he couldn’t write enough approved loans to reach the $1 million minimum his bosses set for him. He sold the M3 immediately and hasn’t owned a car since. He and Heidi, 26, have fallen four months behind paying Countrywide, which owns the loan on their home. Countrywide calls every day asking for its money.”

“By chance, on a trip to Starbucks in Federal Way last month, I found Collins sweeping the floor before his turn taking orders at the drive-through window. He rides the bus to and from work. ‘Starbucks is a great place to work,’ Rob said. ‘I make $8.65 an hour. But I’m up for a raise here shortly.’”

“Heidi…just took a third job. Rob calls the job ’swimsuit model.’ The wisp of a woman walks the edge of the boxing ring at the Tulalip Casino Resort in Marysville between rounds holding up a placard with the number of the next round. How are you doing with all this? I asked her. ‘Not well,’ Heidi said. She choked up. She doesn’t like to talk about it much. The mental and emotional strain, at times, becomes unbearable.”

“‘We are doing everything we can to save this house,’ Rob said. ‘That’s our focus. We want to keep our home.’”

“Rob…wants to share the story because he has become an evangelist of sorts preaching against deceptive practices of some in his former industry…Rob takes out a notepad and draws me a picture that shows how lending companies provide kickbacks to mortgage brokers who write loans at higher interest rates for less-than-ideal borrowers. ‘The more rebate the broker could obtain is directly related to the higher (interest) rates he charges the customer,’ Rob said. ‘And the amount grows exponentially.’”

“When they bought the house in April 2006, they opted for an exotic loan. Countrywide didn’t ask how much the Collinses made. Why not a simple 30-year, fixed-rate mortgage? They would have qualified. Rob alone made $76,000 that year. But the exotic mortgage saved them $54 a month.”

“The problem? Their home has a market value today at closer to $150,000 than the $260,000 they paid for it or the $320,000 at its peak value. They can’t refinance. ‘It was a high-risk loan. I know it was, because I was a loan officer,’ Rob said. ‘It was widely accepted at the time. In retrospect, the types of loans such as Heidi and I got are directly responsible, in part, for the widespread depreciation we’ve seen in home values.’”

The Seattle Times in Washington. “Federal agents say they have dismantled the largest mortgage-fraud conspiracy in state history by indicting seven people on charges they bilked banks and other financial institutions out of $48 million, pocketing more than $9 million to fund lavish lifestyles that included matching Lamborghini sports cars.’

“In one instance, according to U.S. Attorney Jeff Sullivan, a house cleaner who made no more than $20,000 a year qualified for a $1.2 million loan for a house in Medina because her application said she made $45,000 a month — which was news to her when asked by federal agents, according to court documents.”

“In one instance, David Sobol purchased a home in Newcastle in August 2007 for $669,950. A month later, Sobol ‘flipped’ the property, selling it to Camie Byron, 32, a Federal Way mortgage broker, for $1 million. Using falsified loan applications that misrepresented her income and assets, Byron obtained two loans on the property totaling about $900,000.”

“Byron then ‘flipped’ the property again to another straw buyer in November 2007 for a purchase price of $1.4 million. According to the application, the buyer claimed earnings of more than $324,000 in 2005 and $385,000 in 2006. In fact, the buyer reported income to the IRS of $13,245 in 2005 and $16,600 in 2006.’

“The indictment also seeks forfeiture of items purchased with money allegedly obtained through the fraud, including two 2004 Lamborghini Gallardo sports cars registered to Kobzar and Vladislav Baydovskiy, who also stands to lose a pair of BMWs, a 31-foot Bayliner and more than $2.4 million in cash.”

The News Tribune in Washington. “U.S. Attorney Jeffrey Sullivan said 50 federal agents armed with search warrants raided the offices of the businesses, hoping to collect documents and information that might give them a better understanding of the alleged fraud. The agents rushed to make the arrests, Sullivan said, because they realized the activity was ongoing and they worried the defendants might flee or transfer assets following a federal racketeering suit brought by ING against Nationwide and Emerald City earlier this month.”

“‘Some of this could be prevented by banks doing a little more due diligence,’ Sullivan said. ‘Nobody was doing that.’”

The Olympian from Washington. “Some South Sound residents are taking a serious look at buying a home for the first time, enticed by a potential $8,000 tax credit. As soon as Olympia residents Michael Carey and his wife, Stephanie, learned about the program, they made a ’spur-of-the-moment’ decision to start shopping for a house, he said. ‘We definitely plan to buy this year,’ he said.”

“An additional factor helping first-time buyers is the changing landscape of the Thurston County housing market, real estate agent Blake Knoblauch said. A recent check of the Northwest MLS showed 39 properties for sale for less than $200,000 in the county. Two years ago, that market did not exist, Knoblauch said. ‘We’re talking decent houses.’”

The Columbian in Washington. “Wanted: Buyers to ante up for Clark County’s vacant subdivisions at rock-bottom prices. Wait a minute, hold your bets. With home building near all-time lows, why would anyone wager on all those empty land tracts, even the ones with sidewalks, driveways, street lamps and sewer pipes?”

“Because it’s a good hunch that Clark County’s resilient housing market will bounce back, said Roger Qualman, Vancouver-based executive VP of NAI Norris Beggs & Simpson commercial brokerage firm. ‘We always recover with a huge spike,’ Qualman said.”

“Qualman expects it will take two years or more for demand to return for the nearly 4,425 vacant lots in 247 unfinished subdivisions around Clark County. He attributed that anticipated demand to the county’s strong population growth. ‘An investor can hold onto (residential land) for a few years, and he should be able to sell it for a very good return,’ up to 25 percent or 30 percent more, Qualman said.”

“In most cases, sellers of the subdivisions are banks that have just begun to take back millions of dollars worth of undeveloped properties. The banks just want to unload the developments…which is why the failed properties will be marketed at bargain-basement prices, Qualman said. He hopes to find investors for tracts with housing lots that once sold for between $150,000 and $250,000 each. Now, the lots are being offered at around $50,000 each. Subdivision buyers will need to pay cash because few banks are lending for real estate investments.”

“‘They are getting down to near replacement costs,’ about equal to the cost of the improvements made to the site, Qualman said.”

“Subdivisions that are divided up and ready will fetch the best profit when the market for new homes returns, Qualman said. But most builders won’t start new construction until they see signs that a glut of existing homes for sale is shrinking. Many of those homes are on the market as bank repossessions and short sales in Clark County, which recorded the highest foreclosure rate among Washington’s 39 counties in February. A total of 388 houses entered some stage of foreclosure here last month, up 49.8 percent from the 259 filed during the same month in 2008.”

“Local home builders see the low-priced subdivisions as painful reminders of their industry’s losses, although they are good investments. Over time, the installation prices for underground water systems, paved roads and street lamps will only go higher, said Morall Olson, a local home builder and president of the Building Industry Association of Clark County. ‘The cost of plastic pipe and concrete haven’t gone any cheaper. They’re virtually getting the land for free,’ Olson said.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2009-03-29 11:34:33

‘When you build 1,500 homes, you are the largest employer in town, bigger than health care’…Now the annual house production has plunged to about 400, and the loss of employment locally has been devastating, he said. ‘It’s a two-thirds decline. You’re losing tons of jobs.’

I can see that this Eisenberg is going to be a lot of fun.

IMO, this is again a failure to accept the housing bubble. These builders just don’t get it. It ISN’T COMING BACK!

We probably won’t see 26 YOs buying exotic cars and maids flipping houses again in our lifetimes. And why in the heck should building houses be bigger than health care?

Also, note the Idaho story; this is what I’ve been seeing here locally. There are a lot more foreclosures out there than the industry admits, and almost nobody is buying them. These moratoriums have not only failed, but backfired.

And yet, we also see the government/REIC encouraging ‘first-time buyers’ (know-nothings) to step up and be next year’s sob story.

Comment by SMF
2009-03-29 11:43:36

Of course it isn’t coming back! See the stats and note how many DOUBLED.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-29 11:49:07

Oh, Ben, thanks so very much for the lovely, wonderful, in alllllllll ways delightfullllllll articles.

Now, please excuse me—I have to go reread them and laugh some more. I hope my head doesn’t get asploded by a surfeit of merriment and pleasure.

Comment by bob
2009-03-29 17:53:10

Suggestion - please focus the laughter on the so-called professionals: mortgage brokers, realtors, builders etc.

Ughhh … did people see that a primary sponsor for the college basketball playoffs today was NAR with their cheesy ads about family’s on the sidelines

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-03-29 15:47:05

I bet half the restaurant closures are due to this lack of money floating around

That Eisenberg fellow has a keen grasp of the obvious.

 
Comment by rasheed jefferson
2009-03-30 05:06:56

the other day, to save a buck as is my operating philosophy in life, i pulled old newspapers out of the recycling dumpster. let other less thrifty sorts in my budget apts PAY. i am supposedly of the age and education meant to buy newspapers. instead i helped kill them, best as i could.

that said, it was a jovial rush to catch up on nearly a week’s worth in a single afternoon, b/c reading them in that way was tantamount to mainlining very compressed bad economic news. so many stories of richly deserved flameouts! DC (city proper) unemployment breaks 10%, joining the loser californians! - b/c the most numerous race in DC is uneducated and unskilled, of course. jewelers nationwide crashing! — 1,000+ of them close in 2008, 1/3 of them after xmas. (and many, many laugh-inducing details inside the article of jeweler collapse. too bad about the indians and botswanans, though, whose livelihoods had depended on ameriKKKans wasting their money on baubles.)

architects find themselves being fired left and right as developers kill even those projects on drawing board.

distraught stupid ‘homeowners’ find out their supposed mortgage-rescue firm was a fraud!*

*1 of the couples inside THAT last malice-inducing article was typical story of bought too much house. salvadorans — instantly take 10 years of education and about 80 IQ points off their profile. wife a ‘day care owner.’ husband worked at radio shack. they bought a $430K house in 2002! — did their income really reach 1/3 of $430K? doubt it — and stupidly refinanced with one of those deadly adjusting mortgages in 2004 ‘without really understanding it.’

inevitably, hubby lost his radio shack job, their mortgage adjusted, and they paid the fraudulent firm, which did nothing to help them, so they’re even closer to losing their house, which the dumb, supposedly tearful wife had costlily ‘decorated with the trappings of suburban success.’ and i was supposed to feel sorry for this pair of marginal-retarded taco eaters.

 
 
Comment by SMF
2009-03-29 11:42:21

Why can’t people look at their population growth numbers and figure out what the future holds?

(Recall, if every place has ’strong population growth’, none do)

The figures show that population growth is stagnant or decreasing in many locations. Plus, the actual demand is lower due to investors buying property at the same % rate of the bubble!

This is far from over.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-03-30 06:24:16

Agree with the theme of your post. I agree with what Harry Dent was saying about the demographics. Anyone who read his books in the late 90s and the early part of this decade would have stayed out of real estate. I took the negative predictions seriously but did not agree with his ridiculous positive predictions of 20,000 DOW.

People who refuse to understand macro events won’t hedge against those that will reduce their net worth. They lose control of their lives and give that control to the government. Grr!

 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-03-29 11:46:36

“By chance, on a trip to Starbucks in Federal Way last month, I found Collins sweeping the floor before his turn taking orders at the drive-through window. He rides the bus to and from work. ‘Starbucks is a great place to work,’ Rob said. ‘I make $8.65 an hour. But I’m up for a raise here shortly.’”
“Heidi…just took a third job. Rob calls the job ’swimsuit model.’ The wisp of a woman walks the edge of the boxing ring at the Tulalip Casino Resort in Marysville between rounds holding up a placard with the number of the next round. How are you doing with all this? I asked her. ‘Not well,’ Heidi said. She choked up.

When I read the article I laughed so hard my vision actually blurred.
Is that insensitive and wrong?

Comment by seattlerenter
2009-03-29 11:53:20

Why in the world do people torture themselves to save a house that is worth almost half what they paid for it. I know the whole moral and ethics schpeal, but what is worse walking away and living your life, or allowing your wife to be half naked eye candy for a bunch of sweaty boxing fans? Unbelievable..

Comment by combotechie
2009-03-29 12:03:45

“Why in the world do people torture themselves to save a house that is worth almost half what they paid for it.”

These people should be encouraged. The banks (and thus the taxpayers) need the money.

Comment by Michael Emmel
2009-03-29 23:32:26

If you think that they are making house payments then your the fool.
They just said that for the interview. I’ll correct it for you. We wan’t to mess with countrywide as long as possible since we get to live here free and can’t afford to rent.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2009-03-29 13:10:17

‘Why in the world do people torture themselves to save a house that is worth almost half what they paid for it.’

To me it’s simple; they expect it will go up in value. There isn’t any other logical reason. And IMO when they realize it isn’t going to, they’ll walk.

Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-03-29 15:13:42

Or, their furniture wouldn’t fit into an apartment.

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Comment by mikey
2009-03-29 15:29:03

b..b..but they DESERVE that house..and all the torture that comes with it !

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Comment by Jon
2009-03-30 09:16:01

I think a bunch of people can’t admit to themselves that they’ve lost $200,000 on their house purchase. The house purchase that was their one and only chance of ever having a little money in the bank. I’m sure they spent a lot of time bragging to friends and family about how well off they were/were going to be.

Now all they have is hope. Hope for the quick turnaround that Kudlow & Obama & Paulson have talked about. Walking away is total defeat. Total public humiliation in front of friends and family.

Bankers know this. This is why they don’t write down mortgages. They know they can string ‘em along for years. Bleeding them of every last penny, every last shred of self respect before they walk away anyway.

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Comment by exeter
2009-03-29 15:32:33

“Why in the world do people torture themselves to save a house that is worth almost half what they paid for it. I know the whole moral and ethics schpeal, but what is worse walking away and living your life, or allowing your wife to be half naked eye candy for a bunch of sweaty boxing fans? Unbelievable..”

What’s the problem? They’re merely going back to what they were doing before the real estate fraud, 1998-2008. Whats that you ask? Selling used cars, waiting tables and operating cash registers at 7/11. The difference this time is they’ll shoot for the lowest common denominator, aka selling drugs, hooking and burglarizing and lose their beloved shack anyways.

 
Comment by FP
2009-03-29 18:30:21

“Why not a simple 30-year, fixed-rate mortgage? They would have qualified. Rob alone made $76,000 that year. But the exotic mortgage saved them $54 a month.”

Wow! how stupid did they get. They chose a ticking time bomb instead.

Comment by Dr. Strangelove
2009-03-29 19:56:05

““Why not a simple 30-year, fixed-rate mortgage? They would have qualified. Rob alone made $76,000 that year. But the exotic mortgage saved them $54 a month.”

Wow! how stupid did they get. They chose a ticking time bomb instead.”

In their minds, that “extra” $54 meant free Cable TV so they could Tivo American Idol while their equity went to the stratosphere!! Yay!!! Ooops…

DOC

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Comment by Manny
2009-03-29 19:04:14

So being a deadbeat is better?

If people walk they’re horrible humans for not abiding by their contracts. But if they stick it out and get 2nd and 3rd jobs to pay their obligations, they’re stupid and ridiculed.

Can’t have it both ways.

Comment by Doghouse Riley
2009-03-30 04:42:07

“If people walk they’re horrible humans for not abiding by their contracts.”

Not at all, they’re abiding by the portion of the contract which calls for them to return the house to the lender if they can’t make the payment.

Now it IS unethical in my opinion to keep squatting in the house when you can’t pay any longer.

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Comment by boethius
2009-03-29 19:06:48

I dunno, I once was at a pro boxing match in San Francisco where one of the card girl was the boxer’s SISTER…a memorable evening, the other card girl was stunningly beautiful and it took weeks to get her out of my head. The boxer I mentioned knocked his opponent out in less than a minute, he was “Irish Pat Lawlor” AKA “The Pride of the Sunset” (district)

 
 
Comment by Blano
2009-03-29 11:58:30

No, it’s not wrong, it’s karma.

He has one job, she has 3…..what’s wrong with this picture??

Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-03-29 15:15:22

Per the article, he also has at least one extra job, playing music in an orchestra. (He quit music school and became a morgage broker because he didn’t want to be a starving artist.)

 
Comment by Jon
2009-03-30 09:17:47

Nothing. If you’re a pimp.

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-03-29 12:00:08

$8.65 an hour at Starbucks? I thought Starbucks was supposed to be a decent employer. Those are like McDonalds wages.

Comment by exeter
2009-03-29 15:15:12

The banking/Wall street crime syndicate won’t be happy until we’re all mowing lawns for $5/hr and signing $300k/30yr notes.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-03-29 16:40:01

That doesn’t sound like a very effective crime syndicate to me, unless they’re assured the gov’t is going to provide full backstop to those 30 yr notes, forever.

Which does look to me like the intent, at least for now.

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-03-29 19:10:51

Criminal are not very smart. It’s why they’re criminals.

The reality this is exactly the M.O. of criminals. Short sighted and greedy and executing a half baked plan.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-03-29 19:11:57

I give up. I’m getting more dyslexic the older I get.

 
Comment by Jon
2009-03-30 09:20:20

Thakn god I dotn hov bixlusia!

 
 
 
Comment by robin
2009-03-29 23:38:56

I heard somewhere that even part time employees get health care. Anyone know if it’s true?

 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-03-29 15:38:50

You just HAD to wake her up with the PNW stories Ben, didn’t ya… didn’t ya?
;)

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-03-29 17:16:47

Olygal, you beat me to this gem of a paragraph.

on a trip to Starbucks in Federal Way last month, I found Collins sweeping the floor before his turn taking orders at the drive-through window. He rides the bus to and from work. ‘Starbucks is a great place to work,’ Rob said. ‘I make $8.65 an hour. But I’m up for a raise here shortly.’”

“Heidi…just took a third job. Rob calls the job ’swimsuit model.’ The wisp of a woman walks the edge of the boxing ring at the Tulalip Casino Resort in Marysville between rounds holding up a placard with the number of the next round.

Heidi is a “swimsuit model”
And I am Heidi KLum in a fatsuit. Oh brother.
I laughed, guffawed, and wondered, how soon for many others who didn’t save their New wealth, to sell it all and start Pole dancing for extra income. There is that club, seen on tv, the biggest strip club in vegas. Dang wasn’t it employing over 8,000 women? Some far fetched #. But still. Someone has to sprain an ankle and open up a position, so to speak, for one more Fbber.

Comment by mikey
2009-03-29 17:36:22

So he took $5,000 in cash and his fiancée, Heidi, to Bellevue Square. ‘I told her, ‘We’re not leaving here until we spend it all,’ Rob recalled this week.”

…and THIS week, we DON’T have it, so you have to flaunt it Heidi baby, flaunt it ;)

Comment by rms
2009-03-29 22:52:53

Yo, Mikey! Doesn’t this story make ‘ya want to hold a rolled-up twenty in your teeth ‘ta see if Heidi can snatch it? [no pun intended] :)

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Comment by Nudge
2009-03-29 17:35:16

No, it’s not at all wrong to laugh. Ben almost owed me a new keyboard over that one ~ was drinking at the time.

There is the classic saying about how experience keeps a mean school and how fools will learn in no other, but I prefer the more modern version: losers are God’s creatures too.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2009-03-29 12:04:02

The News Tribune from Washington. “As a rookie broker at a mom-and-pop mortgage company in Federal Way, Rob Collins had a killer month writing loans in the frothy, frenzied 2005 housing market. He made $37,000. So he took $5,000 in cash and his fiancée, Heidi, to Bellevue Square. ‘I told her, ‘We’re not leaving here until we spend it all,’ Rob recalled this week.”

Imagine if he said “‘We’re not leaving here until we save it all in FDIC CD’s!”

His wife, maybe, would not be one step away from a prostitute…

Comment by desertdweller
2009-03-29 17:20:54

“we’re not leaving till we spend it all”

Ok, fergodsakes, don’t save it. Sheesh. Ever hear of ‘rainy days’.

Someone HAS to start teaching these youngins some of those tart ol sayings. They really did have meaning behind them. Sort of like the childrens song, ‘Ring around the Rosy’…

Comment by are they crazy
2009-03-29 18:18:59

Starbucks gives benefits to even part time workers. If you have any inkling, you can move up fast and transfer anywhere in the world. Pay varies by location. In CA they pay more.

 
 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-03-29 12:05:26

“The indictment also seeks forfeiture of items purchased with money allegedly obtained through the fraud, including two 2004 Lamborghini Gallardo sports cars registered to Kobzar and Vladislav Baydovskiy, who also stands to lose a pair of BMWs, a 31-foot Bayliner and more than $2.4 million in cash.”

Are these Russian names? I don’t know, but there are a hell of a lot of Russians in the PNW, and I’d venture to guess that the Russian mafia is into mortgage fraud bigtime.

Comment by Rancher
2009-03-29 17:47:59

Northern Seattle big time.

 
 
Comment by in Colorado
2009-03-29 12:05:45

“He expects he’ll re-enlist. ‘All I have to do is put my butt on the line, save my money and I’ll come back with a clean slate,’ he said.”

Ah, the joy of economic conscription.

Comment by rms
2009-03-29 23:21:55

Exactly! Wasn’t this practice known as indentured servitude?

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-03-29 12:07:41

“How are you doing with all this? I asked her.

“Not well,” Heidi said. She choked up. She doesn’t like to talk about it much. The mental and emotional strain, at times, becomes unbearable.

“We are doing everything we can to save this house,” Rob said. “That’s our focus. We want to keep our home.””

Um, earth to Rob. Sounds like your wife is humiliated at being pimped at a casino in order to pay for your choice to live beyond your means and you’re worried about not being able to continue that lifestyle?

By any means necessary, eh?

Comment by rms
2009-03-29 23:24:36

I bet his mother is so proud, Rob ‘da pimp!

 
 
Comment by seattlerenter
2009-03-29 12:09:46

Oh and I used to live in Tacoma and you could not pay me to live in Hilltop, absolute dump and total ghetto. In 2000 homes in nice parts of tacoma were selling for between $60-$80k, hilltop could not be worth more than $100k now.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-03-29 15:43:57

I was working in and around Tacoma a lot from 2004-2006. You wouldn’t believe what some of those places were selling for at the peak. I know of a particular house that, pre-bubble, sold for ~$140k. Some people bought it, did very little to it, and sold it to an “investor” for $220k as prices started to run. The flipper pimped it out and sold it for almost $900k. That’s right $900k. Now, it’s quite a big old house, but as you said, the neighborhood is spotty at best, and there is no way in hell that the place is worth anywhere close to that. The pain that is in store for Tacoma is of gargantuan proportions.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-03-29 23:17:47

seattlerenter,
Can you provide more details? Are you saying the large, older turn-of-the-century homes in north Tacoma were $60-80k in 2000? I find that very hard to believe.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2009-03-29 12:10:20

‘The cost of plastic pipe and concrete haven’t gone any cheaper. They’re virtually getting the land for free,’ Olson said.”

Actually, I would disagree. I have seen most building supplies get cut in price. Lumber is almost 50% off peak. And when you add in the costs of taxes, insurance and upkeep, there is a reason why there is something called “depreciation”.

Comment by Muir
2009-03-29 15:23:35

Yeap.

In Fl, lumber is more than 50% off from peak.
Come to think of it, so is land.

So, the builders will keep building.
(They are like a monster that must continue to feed until it finally strangles itself)

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2009-03-29 12:12:22

The News Tribune from Washington. “As a rookie broker at a mom-and-pop mortgage company in Federal Way, Rob Collins had a killer month writing loans in the frothy, frenzied 2005 housing market. He made $37,000. So he took $5,000 in cash and his fiancée, Heidi, to Bellevue Square. ‘I told her, ‘We’re not leaving here until we spend it all,’ Rob recalled this week.”

Imagine if he said “‘We’re not leaving here until we save it all in FDIC CD’s!”

His wife, maybe, would not be one step away from a prostitute…

(2nd try at post)

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-03-29 12:36:52

“‘Construction — both residential and commercial — has really carried our state’s economy for many years. When we collapsed, the state’s economy collapsed,’ said John Chandler, executive director of the Oregon Home Builders Association.”

Not only that, but CONTRIBUTIONS TO POLITICIANS (BRIBES) are taking it on the chin!

What to do, what to do? Where O where will the GRAFT MONEY come from now???

Maybe TurboTax Tim can engineer something; after all, he just HAS to be one of the smartest guys anywhere. Maybe the builders could build zillions of little paper houses on the hillsides and then Treasury could get little paper zombies to take out zillions more toxic mortgages that little paper tycoons on Wall Street could sell to little paper nations around the world.

Yeah, that’s the ticket - more paper money!

Comment by sm_landlord
2009-03-29 13:40:36

Graft opportunities are created by laws and regulations. Construction is a perfect industry for “political equity extraction” because of the multiple layers of permits and approvals required to build, and the extended elapsed time between project start and completion. Lots of things can “go wrong” and require levers to be pulled during the process, so it’s the graft that keeps on giving.

The politicians are going to have trouble finding another industry that can be milked as thoroughly and reliably as construction. That’s part of why they are working so hard to resurrect the past.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-03-29 17:23:30

Isn’t that why the mob is big into the asbestos and cement bidnesses?

 
 
 
Comment by Eggman
2009-03-29 14:56:23

‘We always recover with a huge spike,’ Qualman said.”

Oh my.

Comment by exeter
2009-03-29 15:23:03

“Resilient” too!

Given another 5 minutes with the faux journalist, we would have heard about how people will be “snapping up homes” this spring, a’la 2003-2006.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-03-29 17:25:19

Naughty alert. Beware..

At our ages, spikes don’t recover like they used to.

Why else all the ed commercials? Hmmm?

Naughty alert Off.

 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2009-03-29 15:12:17

From the Bend, Or article;

“‘Last year, I was optimistic we were heading toward the end of the downturn in terms of pricing pressure, but I was wrong,’ O’Neil said. ‘Now, I definitely think we are scraping the bottom because it’s all anyone talks about.

And given the level of delusional optimism of BeerCan Charlie and JoeSixPack in the towns of Deschutes County Oregon, I’ll wager she’s wrong about 2009 too.

My BIL and SIL reside just outside Bend, both laid off from construction related business as are all their friends.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-03-29 15:44:02

My sister has friends that live in the La Pine area.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-03-29 15:46:56

The carnage in Bend is going to be epic. I mean, what does Bend produce other than overpriced real estate and yuppies?

Comment by exeter
2009-03-29 16:01:30

I agree Grizzly. These former destinations for retirees seem to be the last bubble holdouts. The lexicon of natives and locals in these areas speak directly to the magnitude of the speculation during the bubble years. The locals sound like they’re on another planet with the way they’re talking given the current conditions and forecast.

LaPine? A mess.

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-03-29 16:45:55

Actually, there’s a company that manufactures residential and commercial grid tied inverters for solar power systems located in Bend. They’re doing quite well.

I thought seriously about applying for a job with them, since I’m an EE who also has 8yrs of solar installation experience. But everything I’ve read and heard about the situation in Bend keeps me from having any 2nd thoughts about the matter.

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-03-29 17:35:47

Status report in two words: Bend over.

 
Comment by Ernst Blofeld
2009-03-29 19:11:07

There’s a lot of higher priced stuff in Bend that’s going to get hammered. As I recall sales of houses over $500K was essentially zero the last couple months, and a lot of houses that cost more than that got built over the last five years.

 
Comment by Groundhogday
2009-03-30 00:19:56

My step BIL owns a restaurant in Bend. AND put all of his money into Bend land circa 2006. Oops.

Question: Which yuppy haven will fall father and faster: Bend or Bozeman?

 
 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-03-29 17:27:05

Many contractors in the desert are being laid off, or finding no work.
Even the really honest, craftsmen ones.

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-03-29 17:53:14

Each new house brings along $191,220 of income to Lane County, including $27,940 in taxes and fees paid to local governments in the first year, according to Eisenberg’s calculations.

How exactly is Eisenberg working this out? OK so there’s impact and permits fees along with the first year’s property tax. Maybe that’s $28K? What is the rest of the $191K based upon? Local government doesn’t directly draw on OR income tax. And there is no sales tax in OR.

Yuch. OR always bothers me as an example of too much government and an off-kilter tax structure. If Olygal buys me a drink, maybe I’ll even post my song lyrics about why I don’t approve of OR. ;)

 
Comment by Muir
2009-03-29 19:04:34

AXED GALS TAKE POLE POSITIONS
PROS STRIPPING AMID WALL ST. $LUMP

Ex-Wall Street Analyst NOT Making $160K As A Stripper

“It was very odd seeing a strip club being better run than a major brokerage firm, not to mention I’ve never had problems with sexual harassment at Rick’s.”

Post

Comment by Observer
2009-03-29 19:46:42

You missed the best quote from the article:

“Peter Feinstein, owner of the Sapphire Club on East 60th Street, which opened in January, said, “I am receiving a lot of applications from women who recently lost their jobs — in particular New York City real-estate agents.”

Katie Haverton, 27, is one of them. She worked as a broker for a large real-estate company for three years until January, when she says she hadn’t made a sale in six months and had $2 left in her bank account. She now performs at Flash Dancers in Midtown.

“With real estate, you can work 10 hours a day showing people apartments and you never know when the next sale will be,” said Haverton, who lives on the Upper East Side. “But with dancing, the money is instant. Now that I make better money as a stripper than as a real-estate agent, I’m going to buy my own apartment.”"

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-03-29 19:21:42

The sheer amount of fraud is staggering.

 
Comment by garrisons2
2009-03-29 20:46:44

Stopped by a place today, had big yellow signs with arrows saying bank repo, not much of a place, but I figured why not, just for grins. several people coming and going even though I was only there 5 minutes. It appears that this guy and his “partner? have the “insider track” on bank repos (ex mort. broker), tells me the place went for the low 300’s a few years back and will probably get listed for 190kish. no appliances, small, maybe 1700 sqft. holes in walls and generally a POS. The savant is convinced the market has bottomed.

A couple of thoughts:

1. Somebody will probably buy it direct from him for around 190
2. They will spend 25K to fix it up and try and flip it or stay in it, by then it (this fall) it will be worth about 180K, and we will be that much closer to the bottom
3. He probably bought it from the bank for 140ish so will make out like a bandit
4. Real unemployment is about 16%, not the numbers the MSM and Gov would like you to believe

Comment by rms
2009-03-29 23:54:02

Real unemployment is already worse than 16% in both Merced and Modesto in California, and that’s on the good side of town!

 
 
Comment by Michael Fink
2009-03-30 04:33:34

Defaults rise on FHA mortgages:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/29953730

Now that’s a REAL surprise! I can’t think of a single person/group who warned that FHA would be the next thing to implode.

Comment by Groundhogday
2009-03-30 11:06:43

Sigh… Policy makers seem determined to float this asset bubble on the backs of taxpayers rather than see real price discovery at all levels. FHA, Fannie and Freddie, direct bank bailouts, Fed purchase of toxic sludge, Geithner plan, etc…

Result: prices still fall and taxpayers lose money.

 
 
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