April 4, 2009

Something Called History In California

The Times Herald reports from California. “Local Realtors are applauding a new statewide industry plan designed to nudge reluctant homebuyers over the edge. Like Ford and GM have vowed in recent days to make limited car payments for qualified buyers who lose their jobs because of the economy, California’s Realtors launched a similar program Thursday for qualified new home buyers, association officials said. ‘It’s intended to relieve the anxiety of trying to buy a home in this market,’ said George Oakes, president of the Solano Association of Realtors. ‘And selling homes is how Realtors make a living.’”

The Press Democrat. “A year ago Ronald Barnard, CEO of Norco-based Home Center Realty, thought his real estate brokerage could ride out an economic recession. Since then his plans have been crushed by plunging home prices. Barnard, who has been in the real estate business more than 25 years, said the housing collapse in Inland Southern California has cost him almost everything and he and his company may go bankrupt.”

“In a January 2008 interview, Barnard explained…he would sell bank repossessed houses and reverse mortgages. Little more than a year later, Barnard’s confidence is shaken. ‘Like a deer in the headlights, they just stopped,’ he said. Later some seniors had a change of heart and wanted a loan. But by then, he said, ‘their properties went down so much in value there was no equity left and we could not help them.’”

“Teri Boulanger, Barnard’s escrow manager, said…Barnard has been trying to persuade lenders to refinance mortgages for financially stressed clients by lowering the balances to current home values. It is a hard sell, she admits, with only one of 150 offers so far accepted by a lender. Barnard said in February he also quit paying the mortgages on five investment properties he bought in summer 2005 after the value of each had fallen about $200,000.”

“He said it is also likely he will stop payments on his five-bedroom, 3,500-square foot family home on a half acre in Corona, letting it go to foreclosure. ‘I have seen three downturns, but this absolutely is the backbreaker. I never expected it to fall this fast, never in a million years. Nobody did,’ he said.”

From CNN. “Nearly 23,000 homes in Riverside County alone are listed as ‘bank owned’ on RealtyTrac. ‘Riverside County is in the middle of the mortgage meltdown,’ says county assessor Larry Ward. ‘It’s really tough on people, the foreclosures and prices that dropped below $100 a square foot.’”

“Frank and Leslie Aceves are trying to ’short sell’ their house in order to avoid foreclosure and lose everything to the bank. The couple bought their 3,500 square-foot home for $620,000 a few years ago. A house about the same size across the street recently went for $267,000. ‘We just didn’t think it would happen,’ Leslie Aceves says of the massive drop in prices. ‘We just thought it would stop somewhere.’”

The Press Democrat. “Three years ago, Anton Selkowitz devised a creative plan to save an historic home and surround it with a small Petaluma subdivision. But ultimately he could not find a way to save the development. Last week, Westamerica Bank seized the half-finished Martin Farm project in foreclosure proceedings. Selkowitz built only seven of the 16 homes.”

“Timing was terrible for the East Bay home builder, who began selling homes at Martin Farm in late 2007 just as the housing downturn deepened and a wave of less expensive, foreclosure homes saturated the market. Selkowitz slashed prices on his homes — from $575,000 initially to $399,000 last fall — before halting construction. Both are familiar moves for builders struggling to stay in business in Sonoma County. Despite reducing prices 30 percent, Selkowitz sold only a single home.”

“‘We’re in the worst housing market in my lifetime, and as far as the bank is concerned, it’s business as usual. They wouldn’t cut me any slack at all,’ Selkowitz said. ‘Now they’re suing me and are going to put me and a 36-year-old company out of business because of their greed and stupidity. It’s not right.’”

The Santa Cruz Sentinel. “A pullback in mortgage activity in the last three months of 2008 resulted in Santa Cruz County’s 12.7 percent drop in consumer loan balances leading the nation. Tai Boutell of Santa Cruz Home Finance pointed to the change in the conforming loan limit back to $417,000. When the temporary loan limit of $729,750 was in place, rates were much higher and guidelines stricter, and loans needed to close by year end, so originations were down, he said. So many properties in Santa Cruz require loans for more than $417,000, but loans of that size are hard to qualify for, said Peter Ogilvie of First Residential Mortgage Corp. in Santa Cruz.”

“At the same time loans for more expensive homes got more costly, the median sales price for a single-family home plunged. The median, which is the midpoint of sales, fell to the mid-$400,000 range in Santa Cruz County after topping $700,000 the year before.”

“People are not spending like they used to. ‘They stopped charging on their credit cards,’ said Soquel mortgage broker Ty Ebright, noting slow sales resulting in the demise of retailers like Gottschalks, Mervyns and Circuit City.”

“‘Nobody has any money in Watsonville,’ said Emilio Martinez, a private investigator elected last year to the Watsonville City Council. He believes people working in Silicon Valley stopped buying homes in Santa Cruz County when venture capital fundraising dropped 240 percent in the fourth quarter.”

“His neighbors in the Brewington area of town are abuzz about a home at 34 Roosevelt St. for sale for $184,000 after fetching $447,000 in 2002. Such a drop in market value makes it difficult for nearby homeowners to get a loan or keep an equity line of credit.”

The Ventura County Star. “A Thousand Oaks couple pleaded guilty to bank fraud in connection with a scheme that prosecutors say involved fraudulent loan applications and bilking friends from church who invested with the pair. Terrance George Tucker and Sonya Tucker were arrested in Stillwater, Okla., where a relative ran the processing part of the mortgage business. They were found on the relative’s property ‘living out of their million dollar motor home, which is now the subject of forfeiture action,’ by federal agents, Prosecutor Mark Aveis said.”

“The Tuckers fled California, where they operated Tucker Mortgage in Thousand Oaks and San Diego. The two were accused of operating a ‘mill,’ a real estate finance scheme where two or more individuals broker numerous real estate loans made by banks or lenders by using fraudulent documents, according to court documents. The mill scheme generated more than $31 million.”

“A Hesperia man was convicted Wednesday of partaking in a $23 million mortgage fraud scheme. John Richard Varner is the 15th defendant convicted in the fraud of government-backed mortgages, a U.S. attorney’s office news release states. The group submitted fraudulent loan application documents to qualify for Federal Housing Administration insurance, according to the release. More than 1,000 of the 3,813 loans went into foreclosure, causing the government and private lenders to lose at least $23 million.”

The North County Times. “Once considered among the safest loans available, government-insured mortgages issued last year have performed worse than the subprime loans that kicked off the collapse of the nation’s housing market, according to data from a research firm. A huge level of defaults on loans insured by the Federal Housing Administration, which analysts called ’stunning.’”

“While most mortgages issued by private banks now require at least 10 percent down payments, FHA loans allow borrowers to buy a home who put up just 3.5 percent of the cost. In San Diego County, prices fell more than 2 percent each month from August through January, according to Standard & Poor’s Case-Shiller Home Price Index. In Riverside County, prices have tumbled even more.”

“That means within two months of purchasing an FHA-insured home, the borrower probably owed more than the value of the home. And as layoffs mount, a loss of employment typically leaves the borrower in foreclosure or short sale —- where the borrower resells and the lender settles for less than the amount of the loan.”

“By definition, FHA loans carry little equity. But the risk of failure was increased by the implementation of ‘down payment assistance’ programs implemented by home builders, said Ramsey Su, a San Diego housing analyst. Those programs often covered the rest of the down payment and sometimes even covered the closing costs, meaning a homebuyer could borrow more than the value of the home and pay no money whatsoever up front. The government has since discontinued the programs.”

“The main problem with the delinquent FHA loans was low down-payment requirements, said Sam Khater, senior economist for First American CoreLogic. ‘When you put out a (low down payment) product in the context of very high depreciation, it’s going to happen,’ Khater said about the high delinquency numbers.”

The Recordnet. “California is in a free fall. So starts the latest quarterly economic outlook report, released Thursday, from University of the Pacific’s Business Forecasting Center. San Joaquin County will see its jobless rate peak at around 18 percent, levels not seen since the early 1990s, predicted Jeff Michael, director of the Business Forecasting Center. ‘It is dark,’ he said simply.”

“Labor officials reported 663,000 U.S. jobs were lost in March and, for a while Friday morning, it seemed like a good portion of those people turned up at Morada Produce Co. to apply for a job during the coming cherry-packing season. Last year, the company processed roughly 2,000 applications over two hiring days. By noon Friday, they guessed they might go through many as 4,000 applications on the first day alone.”

“‘It’s a little overwhelming,’ said Skip Foppiano, the owner of Morada Produce. ‘This is quite a few more than we usually get.’”

“If you’re a homeowner hoping for an equity-swelling Boom II, fed by Bay Area residents swarming back over the Altamont Pass again to start snapping up cheaper Valley home prices, forget about it - at least anytime soon. Home sellers and builders report that few Bay Area buyers are out shopping for homes in San Joaquin County, even with prices having been cut by almost 44 percent year-to-year to a median of $155,000 in February.”

“Existing homes in Contra Costa County are moving at a median sales price of not much more than $200,000, for example, after prices shrank by 52.2 percent year to year in the foreclosure-hammered residential downturn. ‘I don’t see Bay Area buyers coming back yet, because the prices there are so affordable and the interest rates are so good,’ said Jerry Abbott, president and co-owner of Grupe Real Estate in Stockton.”

The Sacramento Bee. “In area conversations about real estate it’s often an act of faith that a widening gap between Sacramento and Bay Area home prices might soon spark a new migration east to buy houses cheap and put an end to free-falling prices here. Nice theory. But wrong.”

“The once-widening gap that seemed to promise help has already closed. While 17 months ago the median sales price in Santa Clara County was $388,000 higher than in Sacramento County, it’s now $248,000 higher, says researcher MDA DataQuick.”

“During the boom earlier this decade, 140,000 newcomers from the Bay Area and Los Angeles County gave a profound boost to real estate prices as they came in search of housing bargains in El Dorado, Placer, Sacramento and Yolo counties. Their cash buys and flush pockets after selling pricy coastal homes sent area prices skyrocketing until they began to collapse after 2005.”

“Sanjay Varshney, dean of the College of Business Administration at California State University, Sacramento, noting the current weakness of the Bay Area economy, said it can’t spin out a new migratory stream toward Sacramento until its economy roars back and drives up home prices again. By then, if Sacramento’s economy can offer jobs, they’ll come again for the less expensive places to live.”

“‘That migration is a ways off,’ confirms DataQuick analyst Andrew LePage. ‘In downturns people’s mind-set changes. It’s ‘maybe we can find something close to work. Let’s stay in the Bay Area.’”

The Weekly Calistogan. “Property values are expected to sink over the next four years in Napa County, with an unprecedented flat year anticipated in 2009 followed by three years of overall decline. Napa County Assessor John Tuteur said as many as 8,500 homes in Napa County could lose value this year as the economic downturn continues to haunt the housing market.”

“He compares the decline to the last housing downturn in the mid-1990s, which he called mild in comparison. From 1992 to 1997, 5,700 homes in Napa County declined in value — not quite as many as slipped in 2008 alone. Tuteur said he expects another 2,500 to 3,500 homes to lose value this year. The 5,000 homes already in decline will be worth even less after this year’s reassessment.”

“‘Even though homes are selling, they’re selling at these very low prices with more than 50 percent of the market (in Napa County) in foreclosure,’ Tuteur said. ‘That’s put a lot of properties on the market, which tends to drive down prices.’”

“All Napa and American Canyon homes purchased after 1999 are expected to decline in value relative to their purchase prices, Tuteur said. In Yountville, St. Helena and Calistoga, those who bought after 2001 should brace for a decline. ‘Now we’re finding homes that were purchased earlier than the bubble, (where) the decline has actually dropped below bubble prices,’ Tuteur said.”

The Desert Sun. “For the third consecutive month, sales of existing homes in the Coachella Valley rose sharply in February up 70 percent over February 2008, although the median selling price was slightly higher in February than in January, the California Desert Association of REALTORS reported.”

“There were 8,200 homes in inventory in February, down from 9,476 in February 2008, according to the Desert Area MLS, the real estate industry’s consumer-oriented standard for existing and some new home sales throughout the Coachella Valley. February’s median priced home was $156,000, down from $334,900 in February 2008.”

“By comparison statewide, the median price for an existing home in February 2009 was $247,590. Statewide, sales were up 83 percent in February compared to February 2008, although the median priced dropped 40 percent.”

“The typical (median) single family home for sale in the Desert MLS is three bedrooms, 2.75 baths, 2,235 square feet listed at $425,000 and has been on the market for 97 days, according to Greg Berkemer, executive director of the California Desert Association of REALTORS. ‘State and federal housing assistance programs are now available that offer valuable tax credits and mortgage assistance, particularly for first time homebuyers, that make this market opportunity of choices and prices almost unparalleled,’ he said.”

The Associated Press. “A major developer planned to announce a $1 billion high-rise office and hotel complex Friday, the first new downtown construction project since the real estate spiral largely scuttled dreams of a resurgent city center.”

“Thomas Property Group’s plans call for an 80-story glass-walled building with a slanted profile resembling a ship’s sail that would be built on property owned by development partner Korean Air Co. The design includes a 40-story hotel and condo tower.”

“The city Building and Safety Department’s list of high-rise buildings approved for the permitting process show dozens of downtown projects that have never broken ground. The stalled projects include Gehry’s $3-billion Grand Avenue housing and retail project and the 76-story Park 5th condo complex, which was billed as the tallest residential structure in the West.”

“The median price for new homes downtown has plummeted from $535,000 in the first quarter of 2008 to about $422,000 in the first quarter of this year, a 21 percent drop, according to MDA DataQuick. The median price for all new condos in Southern California dropped about 14 percent during that time. The slump has forced a growing number of landowners and developers into bankruptcy, including downtown’s largest landlord, Meruelo Maddux Properties Inc.”

“Lower condo prices have lured some bargain-hunting buyers, although overall sales remain sharply down. ‘Downtown is fairly small as urban downtowns go but with my income it was as close as I could get to something like London or New York and still stay in Los Angeles,’ said Hutton Cobb, who rented a home in a nearby suburb for about 25 years before buying a condo in the 24-story Evo building.”

“Some observers think early boosters’ vision of a Manhattan-like metropolis on the Southern California coast was destined to fail in a city where development sprawls and there are several major financial centers in the region. Downtown ‘will never be for Los Angeles what midtown Manhattan is for New York or the Loop is for Chicago, because it hasn’t been that since the 1920s,’ said urban scholar Joel Kotkin. ‘There’s something called history and it has an odd impact.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2009-04-04 11:17:01

‘ within two months of purchasing an FHA-insured home, the borrower probably owed more than the value of the home. And as layoffs mount, a loss of employment typically leaves the borrower in foreclosure or short sale —- where the borrower resells and the lender settles for less than the amount of the loan.”

“By definition, FHA loans carry little equity. But the risk of failure was increased by the implementation of ‘down payment assistance’ programs implemented by home builders, said Ramsey Su, a San Diego housing analyst. The government has since discontinued the programs.’

‘When you put out a (low down payment) product in the context of very high depreciation, it’s going to happen,’ Khater said’

Yes, well the “context of very high depreciation” is the little fact of the housing bubble. I have done everything I can to get the media and others to see this for what it is and realize people buying even now will quickly be underwater and likely to walk away.

I have to ask: what good does even more foreclosures do for the market, the economy, or anything?

A mania cannot be “stabilized.” Further, these big drops in housing prices should be seen AS stabilization.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-04-04 11:52:08

This depreciation benefits a very small minority in the short run (patient renters). You can see that it is healthy because you are unbiased.

The players are all loosing money rapidly; not just the home debtors, but everybody earning money off real estate and building and taxation. That includes the media. How can you hope to convince all of these that them loosing their gravy train is good?

Comment by Ben Jones
2009-04-04 12:30:54

I see what you are saying. But aren’t policy makers supposed to be above personal gain? At some point, one would think this constant stream of newly minted FBs will result in a rethinking of what is “good” for the housing market. Yet look at how this latest CAR program is being reported. Very little about prices dropping like a rock, or the dangers of buying a house at this time in this economy. Just more talk about the latest “lifeline’ being tossed to “fencesitters.”

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-04-04 13:26:06

I think I have read your posts for three years. I can’t remember any stories about policy makers that struck me as particularly altruistic.

You call it a mania, and I agree. The symptom of mania is lack of insight. You cannot talk insight into a person who is manic. Won’t happen. Hard impact sometimes does the trick.

My point being that after the fact, you are an undisputed genius. During the mania, you are speaking Greek.

I think it is ironic that the press would herald CAR’s program with enthusiasm. It will obvioulsly come out of CAR’s advertising budget, thus putting another nail in the media’s coffin.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2009-04-04 15:07:36

Well, CAR has been playing this game for a while as if it’s academic. And like they say, it’s all fun until someone loses an eye. Now that we’ve got one eyed FBs all over the place, hopefully the media will hold them to account.

All we can do is hold their feet to the fire as best we can.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-04-04 18:23:37

“You call it a mania, and I agree. The symptom of mania is lack of insight. You cannot talk insight into a person who is manic. Won’t happen. Hard impact sometimes does the trick.”

We’re well past the mania part, but the hardcore propaganda continues, all day, every day - housing as an investment, housing always appreciates, etc.

 
 
Comment by Wickedheart
2009-04-04 14:36:49

SD is stuck on stupid. The fencesitters are are hopping off the fence in droves. Multiple offers, it’s just like 2003 again.

Prediction next year those fencesitters are gonna be cryin’ in their beer.

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Comment by Awaiting Bubble Rubble
2009-04-04 14:46:21

“SD is stuck on stupid. The fencesitters are are hopping off the fence in droves. Multiple offers, it’s just like 2003 again. ”

This will produce a whole new era of opportunity for the patient who hold off for another 2 years. The fence sitters who jumped in with less than 25% this year will be in foreclosure in 2011. The entire focus of the industry now is on “reduced prices” auction fever. This will pass as the first stories of the early auction buyers start to surface by this fall.

 
 
Comment by Chip
2009-04-04 16:51:39

“But aren’t policy makers supposed to be above personal gain?” The truth as we are seeing it is utterly discouraging. It takes my mind to what probably is my favorite political commentary of all time, by Charley Reese. It can be found easily by searching for ‘545 people.’

http://www.fernleynews.com/1400000/545_People.html

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-04 21:35:11

“But aren’t policy makers supposed to be above personal gain?”

Supposed — there’s the rub.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-04 21:58:55

Ben –

I loved the YouTube interviews, and truly appreciated your comments regarding the wisdom of your blog posters, and the poor excuse for governance that comes out of a manipulated and disingenuous public policy process.

Your comments on moral hazard were also typically spot on. I am glad I was able to post quite a number of times on the issue here on the blog, even though I was unable to participate in your interviews.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2009-04-04 23:06:11

Hey PB,

You should have been there most of all. I understand, though, but you were missed.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-05 05:42:09

Not sure you fully understand, but I will explain next time you are in SD…

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-05 06:31:23

“You should have been there most of all.”

P.S. I like to think I was, at least in spirit…

The ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are right and when they are wrong, are more powerful than is commonly understood. Indeed the world is ruled by little else. Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist. Madmen in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back.

-J M Keynes-

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-05 05:31:31

‘…one would think this constant stream of newly minted FBs will result in a rethinking of what is “good” for the housing market.’

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If only the Fed could some how restart home price inflation, there would no longer be a constant stream of newly minted FBs, and it would all be “good” again.
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Comment by mikey
2009-04-04 14:55:26

Kurtz: [intercepted radio message] I watched a house crawl along the edge of a straight razor. That’s my dream. That’s my nightmare. Crawling, slithering, along the edge of a straight… razor… and surviving…?

:)

 
Comment by mikey
2009-04-04 15:24:58

Stretches his little neck up. looks all religious and sings to the NAR Gods….”This Train is Bound for Glory, this train”

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-04-04 20:05:16

Oooooooh! Pretttttyyyyyy!

*bats eyelashes in wonderment at the superlative beauty of mikey’s singing *

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Comment by SMF
2009-04-04 13:47:09

This ’saving’ of the housing market appears to be of similar nature to those who wanted to save the horse and buggy market after the introduction of cars.

The fact of the matter is that the world changed and nothing can bring back those heady days. Nothing at all.

It is time for all to adjust to the new realities and look forward instead of looking back to what was.

Comment by SDGreg
2009-04-04 18:28:51

“It is time for all to adjust to the new realities and look forward instead of looking back to what was.”

I agree. However, those in power keep pushing policies that could drag out the distortions in housing and the rest of society for quite some time. The changes will eventually come, but when and at what cost?

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-04-04 18:41:39

“A mania cannot be “stabilized.” Further, these big drops in housing prices should be seen AS stabilization.”

Ben,

You have made this point very clearly as have a few others. In paraphrasing some of the others - High housing costs are the problem. Falling prices are the solution.

Decent, affordable housing was once assumed. More people need to look back at the changes that have occurred in housing in the past 30 years and the spillover impacts on the rest of our lives. Are we better off for those changes?

The idea of housing as an investment rather than shelter needs to die a long overdue death and we need to get back to building a productive economy based on something other than buying and selling housing to each other with money borrowed from the Chinese.

Comment by SMF
2009-04-04 19:14:51

Housing can still be looked at as an investment!!

What people forgot is the price that you pay for it and the typical formula used.

investment = holding an asset for the long term in the expectation of returns (or dividends). I have bought many stocks as investments, due to them paying out dividends at regular basis.

But when people bought a house for ‘investment’, they could not cover the expenses with rent alone or even with their mortgage, using instead toxic loans to afford their ‘investment’.

Hence, houses did not become investments during the bubble, they became objects of speculation.

and speculation = purchasing an asset in the expectation of selling it at a higher price in the future.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-05 05:38:46

“Housing can still be looked at as an investment!!”

Stocks can still be looked at as an investment, even though many lost their comfortable retirements when the value of stocks were cut in half.

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Comment by Bob in Vegas
2009-04-05 05:38:54

I’ve never looked at housing as an investment. It is an asset that comes with huge unavoidable liabilities, such as property taxes, maintenance and repairs.

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Comment by Groundhogday
2009-04-04 11:27:50

‘Now they’re suing me and are going to put me and a 36-year-old company out of business because of their greed and stupidity. It’s not right.’”

Because of THEIR greed and stupidity. Right.

Comment by mikey
2009-04-04 15:05:19

Maybe California RE agents should have 3 for one sales like Madison, WI and save gas :)

“Three! Yes Three! Open Houses on One Block!!!

Beverly Rd Madison, WI 53711

4214 Beverly Rd 1-3pm
4252 Beverly Rd 12-2pm
4251 Beverly Rd 12-2pm”

http://madison.craigslist.org/reb/1107108640.html

 
Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2009-04-04 17:38:41

Man I hear ya! For the last 3 years I’ve been getting sick as hell at all this “dirty-greedy” bank thing. Banks are all about making money - pure and simple. They’re under no obligation to be the benevolent benefactor. If anyone believes that nonsense, well then wake the F up! If you don’t hold up your end of the bargain you better prepare for a well deserved butt whupin’!

Greed and stupidity?…….well, maybe stupidity - for lending money to your sorry a$$! Now bend over and take it like man!

 
Comment by trapped in houston
2009-04-04 21:34:55

I laughed out loud at the “greed and stupidity” story. I doubt that builder understand how stupid he looks. And how stupid he is.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-04-04 11:40:08

“this tells me the organization’s head is in the right place.”

HA. HAHA. HAHAHAHAHAH!!!

“The C.A.R.’s a pretty sharp outfit.”

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-04-04 11:44:48

“‘We’re in the worst housing market in my lifetime, and as far as the bank is concerned, it’s business as usual. They wouldn’t cut me any slack at all,’ Selkowitz said. ‘Now they’re suing me and are going to put me and a 36-year-old company out of business because of their greed and stupidity. It’s not right.’”

HAHAHAHAHAAHAH! *gasp, gasp * HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!
Oh, golly, you should’ve heard me’n my perky wombat hat laugh! Both of us ’bout fainted!

What gems…
Thank you, Ben, oh, thank you. :)

Comment by pismoclam
2009-04-04 20:09:57

So why did you take their money and sign your name on the loan docs??? You can’t play the victim for me. You should have been reading the HBB from 2004-5. I T WOULD HAVE SAVED YOU.

 
 
Comment by Big V
2009-04-04 12:00:53

Did you hear that guys? You heard it here first. “Nobody expected this.”

Comment by bink
2009-04-04 14:05:55

I get the feeling none of these people look both ways when crossing the street.

 
Comment by mikey
2009-04-04 14:44:02

Right V

It came upon us like a Bolt out of the Blue (or before we could snaap up our ill-gotten gains and move out swiftly)
:)

 
Comment by HARM
2009-04-10 17:23:53

I believe the proper term is “Hoocoodanode?”

 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-04-04 13:30:09

“California is in a free fall.” Keep on falling.

Shes a good girl, loves her mama
Loves Jesus and America too
Shes a good girl, crazy bout Elvis
Loves horses and her boyfriend too

Its a long day living in Reseda
Theres a freeway runnin through the yard
And Im a bad boy cause I dont even miss her
Im a bad boy for breakin her heart

And Im free, free fallin
Yeah Im free, free fallin

All the vampires walkin through the valley
Move west down Ventura Boulevard
And all the bad boys are standing in the shadows
A ll the good girls are home with broken hearts

And Im free, free fallin
Yeah Im free, free fallin
Free fallin, now Im free fallin, now im
Free fallin, now Im free fallin, now im

I wanna glide down over Mulholland
I wanna write her name in the sky
Gonna free fall out into nothin
Gonna leave this world for a while

And Im free, free fallin
Yeah Im free, free fallin

-Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers

Comment by Ben Jones
2009-04-04 15:08:52

‘And Im a bad boy cause I dont even miss her
Im a bad boy for breakin her heart’

I always thought that was an odd couple of lines.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-04-04 15:14:07

Yes, especially when he contradicts himself with the following line “I wanna write her name in the sky.”

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-04-04 16:18:01

Maybe he just meant something like Bono’s line “I can’t live with or without you.” And that line is a line I use when I think of one of my ex-girlfriends.

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Comment by ex-nnvmtgbrkr
2009-04-04 17:41:32

Dude, do you know how much dope that guy smokes? He’s lucky to make any sense at all.

 
 
Comment by Mike G
2009-04-04 22:05:37

Its a long day living in Reseda
Theres a freeway runnin through the yard
And I bought this craphole for two mil in 06
Never thought the price would fall so hard

The price is free, free fallin’

 
 
Comment by goedeck
2009-04-04 14:41:18

“Local realtors are applauding a new statewide industry plan designed to nudge reluctant homebuyers over the edge.

Local realtors are planning on pushing new buyers off a cliff.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2009-04-04 15:17:18

OT, but to give you guys an update on the documentary. I talked with the director this afternoon, and they we very pleased with the response to the preview. He also said that what the HBBers said “made so much sense.” And they are making some changes based on some of the recommendations made in the comments yesterday.

The are editing some more segments and we’ve now scheduled another interview here in Flagstaff and then they are going to follow me around to some foreclosed houses. THAT will be a hoot.

The best news; they are now lining up some of the most prominent economists for interviews, and they will be sending them some of these previews to sort of set the debate, in a way. I told him that what I hoped all along was that this film could set the record straight, so that when people want to know what happened years from now, it would be put down for all to see. Wow, power to the people indeed.

For those that missed it, check out the American Visionaries post from yesterday.

Comment by Muir
2009-04-04 15:46:08

congrats!!

 
Comment by Chip
2009-04-04 17:57:57

I tried downloading both YT clips via “Video Downloader,” a Firefox add-on. They downloaded, but without a file extension and Windows Media Player won’t play it. When I download files with the extension .flv it doesn’t play those, either. Anyone have a suggestion?

Comment by silvertoad
2009-04-04 18:38:54

google and download “applian flv player download”

that will play the .flv files from the add-on.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-04-04 19:49:51

Try using the Firefox add-on FlashGot. That worked for me. It saves the file as a flv file.

Comment by Chip
2009-04-05 08:42:43

Thanks, SD and Silver.

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Comment by Michael Viking
2009-04-04 19:23:42

Awesome! Good work and congrats.

 
Comment by Little Al
2009-04-04 20:11:33

You deserve all the credit they can lavish on you Ben. Well done.

 
Comment by Big V
2009-04-04 20:52:07

Well, I hope they didn’t take yesterday’s criticisms too seriously. Some people are just chronic complainers. I thought the music was just fine, for instance.

Comment by Ben Jones
2009-04-04 22:39:39

‘ I thought the music was just fine’

I did too, and I told him not to change it on my account.

 
 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2009-04-04 22:01:57

Can hardly wait to see the new parts Ben, especially the foreclosures you are working with. Congrats on the attention you are/will receive for this - you deserve it.

And thank God for this blog and the evidence that “Nobody expected this” is a complete falsehood. (Although I am hearing more and more people say “oh yeah, we knew this was coming.” WTF? Not anytime I talked to them before the end of 2008.)

Will you still talk to all us little people when you become famous? :D

Comment by Ben Jones
2009-04-04 22:42:06

‘Will you still talk to all us little people when you become famous?’

You guys are my only people.

Comment by oxide
2009-04-05 06:24:36

That is…like…so touching… :cry:

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Comment by mikey
2009-04-04 15:36:05

Wow Ben…Great, that should turn some heads.

Yikes, the producers are watching our blog ?

Quickly stuffs and hides Olygal and her wombat under a nearby hollow log ;)

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-04-04 19:34:04

Quickly stuffs and hides Olygal and her wombat under a nearby hollow log

* Olympiagal bites his hand, really hard, and then grabs her beloved wombat hat and scoots right up the nearest big tree *

 
 
Comment by Paul Mayson
2009-04-04 18:15:11

Sort of off topic:

Anyone on here have a good source for tracking home prices. I watch the Zillow Home Value graphs. They appear pretty current. I know there is question about the accuracy of values, but it does give a sense of the trend. Would like other sources.

On topic:

Someone said those days are not coming back and they are right. Nothing they can do to bring it back. There has been some pent up buying and they are doing it now. It doesn’t mean that prices have bottomed. I ask the question, Which part of the bubble was a bubble?
Was it the top of the bubble, the middle also, or also including the bottom of the bubble. Right now we are in the middle of the bubble. Does anyone consider the middle to be normal pricing?

Cheers.

Comment by Julius
2009-04-04 19:35:10

Depends on what part of the country you’re talking about. However, for many around here the “bottom of the bubble” implies pre-1998 (or earlier) price levels, and there are relatively few regions of the country that are at that point as of now.

Comment by Mike G
2009-04-04 22:10:18

I’ve been tracking prices in Perris and similar areas in the IE and have seen some places selling at 1990 or even late-80s pricing, $35-40/ft. And they don’t appear to be trashed.

 
Comment by Chip
2009-04-05 08:48:19

From the very beginning of the bust, many posters here looked for a return to 1998 prices, if not beyond in a typical overshoot. If they hit 1998 - and it looks like they will - I may buy, but only because I’m getting so old that it will be my last shot at it. If I were young, I would rent until prices had bottomed and started to climb again.

 
 
Comment by trapped in houston
2009-04-04 21:51:28

google case-shiller index. look for the case-shiller data at standardandpoors dot com.

 
Comment by Will
2009-04-05 06:12:53

For historic data and trends:

http://www.ofheo.gov/hpi_download.aspx
Somewhat dated, 2008 Q4 latest now available, but I find SMSA breakdowns uesful.

Most State Realtors Associations also publish their median sales prices which are more up to date but more difficult to interpret

 
 
Comment by diemos
2009-04-04 18:59:09

“Frank and Leslie Aceves are trying to ’short sell’ their house in order to avoid foreclosure and lose everything to the bank.”

It’s statements like this that make me want to leap through the screen and throttle someone. Exactly what do they think they’re going to end up with by short selling instead of just walking away?

Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2009-04-04 22:08:15

Three years of bad credit instead of seven. Makes a heck of a difference to how long an event stays on your credit report if you stay and work with the banks rather than just cut and run.

I find this ironic however as I am hearing more and more about short sale fraud. People selling to friends/family at prices far below what the market can handle with the intention of buying the property back shortly, etc. So the bank loses an extra $100,000. At least the “victims” get to stay in their now far-cheaper house. :(

Comment by Julius
2009-04-04 23:31:24

“People selling to friends/family at prices far below what the market can handle with the intention of buying the property back shortly, etc. So the bank loses an extra $100,000. At least the “victims” get to stay in their now far-cheaper house.”

At least it lowers the price of the comps for the area.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-04 21:36:40

“Local Realtors are applauding a new statewide industry plan designed to nudge reluctant homebuyers over the edge.”

Those who allow themselves to be pushed over the edge often soon find themselves up to their necks in deep sh!t.

 
Comment by LinQ
2009-04-04 21:44:20

*sighs contentedly in the corner*

It’s been awhile since I was here. I read this and just wanted to make sure that I was still sane. Reading the comments here just reinforces what I had read before. Thanks, Ben, as always.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/26/real_estate/California_comeback/index.htm?cnn=yes

 
Comment by debbie does
2009-04-04 21:58:59

Must see video with Wm Black and Moyers!!!

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html

Comment by rms
2009-04-04 23:59:40

Thanks for the video URL, Debbie.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-04 22:05:26

“While most mortgages issued by private banks now require at least 10 percent down payments, FHA loans allow borrowers to buy a home who put up just 3.5 percent of the cost. In San Diego County, prices fell more than 2 percent each month from August through January, according to Standard & Poor’s Case-Shiller Home Price Index. In Riverside County, prices have tumbled even more.”

Our government has learned NOTHING — I repeat — NOTHING from the course of this collapsing bubble. They are trying to guarantee home loans against the value of falling knife collateral and failing. The taxpayer gets to pick up the tab for the claims payments on lenders’ ‘heads we make money, tails taxpayers lose money’ insurance policy. And this comes after our government has already wasted trillions of dollars throwing money into financial black holes of bankrupt financial companies.

But don’t worry — anything which cannot go on forever will eventually end.

Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2009-04-04 22:17:01

“But don’t worry — anything which cannot go on forever will eventually end.”

Eventually. Unfortunately, eventually we’ll all be dead too. :(

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-04 22:28:25

Eventually, Keynes’ ideas will die out, too, once everyone realizes what a colossal failure they have proved as a policy prescription.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-04 22:29:56

Exhibit A: Great Britain

Exhibit B: USA

Next?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-04 22:21:46

The worsening employment picture suggests not buy a home until 2010 at the earliest.

The economy has been in contraction for 16 months straight, and the decline is accelerating. For reference, the early-1990s recession lasted from July 1990 - March 1991, only 9 months, but was accompanied and followed by six or so years of home price declines in California which did not end until 1996 or so.

New York Times
Editorial
Unemployment Rising
Published: April 4, 2009

For much of last week, it was possible to think that the economy was looking up. Various indicators, though weak, were not as bad as expected. The disappointing results from the Group of 20 meeting in London were offset in part by the leaders’ display of seriousness and, in particular, President Obama’s debut on the world stage.

On Friday, reality bit back with the news that the unemployment rate spiked in March, to 8.5 percent, a 25-year high. The government’s report also showed that employers had shed 663,000 more jobs in March. Nearly two million jobs have vanished this year — 5.1 million since the recession began in December 2007. The ranks of the unemployed now stand at 13.2 million.

There is no longer any doubt that the current recession will be the longest yet in America since World War II. The previous record-holders — the contractions of the early 1970s and the early 1980s — each lasted for 16 months. As of now, the economy already has been in decline for 16 straight months.

The questions now are how much longer the recession will be and how much worse it will get. Measured by the labor market, the answer to both questions is “a lot.” That is because employers will continue to cut jobs as long as the economy is weakening and will resume hiring only once they are sure a recovery is under way. In this recession, the traditional paths to recovery are especially blocked. Economic rebounds — especially from steep declines — are generally led by recovery in the housing market. This time, housing is unlikely to provide the spark. By prudent estimates, housing sales and prices will not begin to turn up appreciably until 2010 at the earliest.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-04 22:34:36

Is anyone in the market for a mortgage on a $729,750+ declining value home? Here is the ticket…

Wall Street Journal
* MARKETWATCH
* APRIL 4, 2009, 11:54 P.M. ET

The Return of Jumbo Mortgage
By AMY HOAK

Jumbo mortgages became more expensive and harder to come by as the nation’s credit crisis deepened. That might be starting to change.

“Jumbo” refers to mortgages that are too large to be bought by Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae. The “conforming loan limit” for those government-backed entities is $417,000 in many parts of the country, but goes up to $729,750 in high-cost areas of the continental United States.

Bank of America recently began trumpeting its jumbo program, offering 30-year fixed-rate jumbo mortgages with rates in the high-5% range. “We decided it was time to really go after that market,” says Vijay Lala, a product management executive for the bank.

More lenders may soon join in, says Guy Cecala, publisher of Inside Mortgage Finance.

He says Bank of America appears to have lower jumbo rates than its giant banking competitors Wells Fargo, J.P. Morgan Chase and Citibank. “I suspect the others will slowly follow suit,” Mr. Cecala says.

Comment by Michael Fink
2009-04-05 03:49:54

Now that’s a real outrage. We have to make sure that those making over 250K/yr are able to buy homes, it’s in the best interests of all of America. Who gives a s**t what jumbos cost? That’s like the average American thinking about what a Lambo/RR costs; it just doesn’t matter because YOU can’t afford it.

The idea that jumbo were for ANYONE but the rich is hopefully coming to a close. Sure, this is good news for those with incomes >200-250K. But, that’s only about 2% of the population. So, how is it news worthy that those rates are lower, it effects SUCH a small portion of the buyers, it shouldn’t even be in the paper.

My biggest grip is that jumbos are still being views as an “affordability” product and/or something that normal American’s need to be concerned about. Fact of the matter is, if you’re looking a jumbo, you better da** well be rich; this is material for Forbes magazine, not for the neighborhood paper. The fact that everyone now knows what jumbos are, and that they even think about jumbos.. Well, that’s really not a good thing, and not something that bodes well for a short-term recovery.

This, imho, is like “normal” people buying Louis V/Gucci apparel/bags. That stuff is for RICH people, not for the everyday man/women. However, because of the bubble, and because people are stupid, somehow it’s become “normal” for someone with a 50K/yr income to buy a 2K handbag… :(

Comment by Bob in Vegas
2009-04-05 05:49:56

We Americans like to “act rich,” but we do it with borrowed money. It must be one of the legacies of the “entitlement” mentality. Unfortunately, even a 2×4 to the head is not nearly enough to fix US stupidity.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-05 05:50:17

This is a perfect time to dress up as ’stimulus’ a program actually designed to funnel large mortgage tax deductions into the hands of anyone sufficiently wealthy so they don’t have to worry about the risk of job loss in the worst recession since the 1930s. Large campaign contributions will likely flow back from beneficiaries into the hands of the politicians who suggested the need for Jumbo stimulus.

 
 
Comment by BitterbyLaurelCanyon
2009-04-05 16:19:08

someone’s in Lala land.

 
 
Comment by KaliExPat
2009-04-05 00:39:16

The nation is in the beginning stages of a deflationary spiral - double-digit unemployment and wages going negative for the next 10-15 years will mean the housing bubble STILL has several years to unwind.

No where is this more pronounced than in OVER leveraged Klownifornia…

The CAR is staring into a black hole and thinks everything is great!

Comment by LongIslandLost
2009-04-05 08:43:23

The CAR is playing a bad hand well. A house sale is worth 6% to Realtors (collectively). Half a year of payments is about half a year of interest and less if the buyer made a down payment. If the buyer keeps his job for six months, then the Realtors make 6%. If the buyer loses his job and the CAR pays for 6 months of payments, then the Realtors make “only” 3%. The only argument is who gets their pie reduced the most (buyers agent, buyers broker, sellers agent, sellers broker, all Realtors collectively).

It’s an interesting way to reduce commissions.

 
 
Comment by Snowman
2009-04-05 09:15:31

Did anyone see this yet?

http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/26/real_estate/California_comeback/index.htm?postversion=2009040311

They state 600,000 houses sold in February in CA!? That has to be a typo, right? That would be 20,000+ per day….

Comment by gab
2009-04-06 10:24:56

I’m guesing that’s an annualized figure and the writer of the articles somehow missed that.

 
 
Comment by KaliExPat
2009-04-05 09:16:37

“It’s an interesting way to reduce commissions.”

If anything should be learned from the 2002-2007 RE Bubble insanity it’s that RE agents are about as needed in the new millennia as ticks on a dog, and that ALL entities involved in Investment/Commercial banking (which should be separated, but Clinton/GOP Congress ended) should be REGULATED & AUDITED by GOV servants that can NEVER be employed in said industry.

Unfortunately idiological retardation is still in FULL control of our nation…good luck all, it’s about to get VERY bad.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-04-08 09:24:06

test :-(

 
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