April 8, 2009

Every Community Has Lost Value

The Indy Star reports from Indiana. “Desperate to stay in her Putnam County house in a pending foreclosure last year, Melissa Adams turned to a mortgage consultant she found online. Adams ended up paying $1,500 to the Florida company to negotiate a modification to the mortgage she could no longer afford. It didn’t help. Her 6-year-old home near the Putnam-Hendricks county line, was auctioned at a sheriff’s sale in December. ‘I’m kicking myself’ for paying HomeAssure, said Adams, a forklift driver who now lives in a rental house in Greencastle with her husband and his children.”

“The crisis is fueled by falling home values, rising unemployment and ballooning interest rates on subprime mortgages granted during the housing boom of 2002-06. ‘They’re preying on people who are down on their luck,’ said Pamela Sandlin, a school bus driver who got stung for $3,500 by an Indianapolis foreclosure prevention company called three years ago.”

“She and her husband moved into a rental home in Lawrence. ‘We’ll probably never own another home now,’ she said.”

“In the heart of Carmel’s arts district, the high-priced Monon on Main townhome project sits half completed, months after the builder walked off, leaving building materials strewn on a dirt lot. In Plainfield, just north of U.S. 40, construction in the Blackthorne subdivision has ground to a halt, leaving residents without a promised swimming pool and their unpaved streets with multiplying potholes.”

“In Noblesville, half of the Prairie Lakes townhome development resembles a Western ghost town, with street signs shaking in the wind on empty roads lined only with thigh-high dry weeds. A count by The Star shows…well over 1,000 vacant lots have been abandoned by just four major builders that have exited the market in the past year. That’s more than one-fourth of the total number of new home-building permits issued in the metro area last year.”

“At Prairie Lakes, Chicago homebuilder Portrait Homes pulled out last month, about 100 units short of finishing. ‘We haven’t gotten a letter; we haven’t gotten anything,’ said Ashley McWhorter, who bought her two-story townhome in 2007. ‘I spent $136,000 with them. They should at least have notified us.’”

“Portrait gave up on Prairie Lakes, two other Indianapolis-area communities and the rest of its projects in the Midwest because of the sluggish housing market, said spokesman Jonathan Dedmon.”

“‘I’ll never get out of it what I owe. It’s a mess, really,’ said Vince Novinger, who bought his Prairie Lakes townhome two years ago.”

“Builder-deserted subdivisions can see sharp drops in home values. ‘It gets very difficult to finance a home once the builder has left,’ in part because there tend to be fewer comparable sales to base an appraisal on, said Kim Hockaday, a loan officer for First Mortgage of Indiana.”

“As subdivisions get restructured and put back on the market, homebuyers should be cautious in buying lots or homes in them, said Ira Wolff, an F.C. Tucker Co. real estate agent. Dissension or even lawsuits may exist between the builder and homeowners, subcontractors or lender. The homeowners association may be underfinanced. Or the municipality may have issues with the new building plan.”

“‘People are probably going in thinking they’re bargain-hunting,’ Wolff said. ‘It looks really good on paper, but it could become your worst nightmare.’”

Crain’s Chicago Business from Illinois. “A new train stop is about to open in the center of the business district, with direct service just an hour’s ride from Chicago’s Union Station. Jim Gierczyk, the developer of Light Harbor Preserve condos put up the $1 million to build the new train platform on his property, where he’s trying to move units just a few hundred yards from Lake Michigan. ‘I’ve been telling people for years that they should live here, and now it could become a reality,’ says Mr. Gierczyk.”

“Could New Buffalo be in transition from sleepy summer town to full-time Chicago suburb? ‘We can only hope that people will move here,’ says Marge McGinnis, a waitress at Rosie’s. ‘Goodness knows we’ve got the housing to accommodate them,’ she adds, pointing to empty condominiums across the street.”

The Times Herald in Illinois. “A light snow fell as 10 people huddled Tuesday morning on the front steps of the Coweta County Justice Center on Greenville Street in downtown Newnan to hear the latest round of foreclosure sales. The first several properties offered don’t prompt even a single bid. They come from all over Coweta County.”

“‘It’s got to really be a steal for anybody to buy property on the courthouse steps, these days,’ said Jonathan Camp of Real Estate Title Services, who called out the foreclosure sales. ‘We sell maybe one or two a month down here. I don’t know that I’ll have any sales at all today. We have 16 properties we’re offering. That’s about half of what we normally carry down here.’”

“When asked why there was so little interest in the properties, Camp said, ‘I would assume because the bidders can’t turn around and sell them for what they’re asking. They have to get it cheap enough so they can resell it for a profit.’”

“One longtime player in foreclosed/resale properties who was at the sale, but declined to be named, called the courthouse steps bidding process ‘antiquated’ and said that it makes a whole lot more sense to wait and obtain the property after it’s bank-owned. ‘The banks have to get the money. They don’t want the property,’ he said. ‘The bank will accept low offers because they are not into holding real estate. These days, bank-owned is the only way to do it.’”

“He said banks and resellers often don’t even bother with fixing up the properties before turning them over. ‘There was one property on the market — four bedroom, three baths — for $160,000, and it was ultimately offered for sale at $153,000,’ he said.”

“The opening bid on the courthouse steps was placed at $121,000, but there were no bites, so the property fell into the bank’s hands. ‘I offered $65,000 for it, and the bank counter offered at $67,450,’ he said.”

“That’s the kind of sweet deal that no one is going to find on the steps of the courthouse, he said. ‘They’re selling very, very few,’ he said. ‘You can’t even sell a $100,000 home out here anymore.’”

The C&G News from Michigan. “Spring is traditionally the season when housing sales start to heat up along with temperatures, but in recent years, Michigan housing sales have been chilly to lukewarm at best — even in the once hot Grosse Pointe market.”

“There are signs, however, that sales may be starting to warm up again. As of the first quarter of 2009, said Grosse Pointe Board of Realtors President George Smale, there were more than 500 homes on the market in Grosse Pointe, of which about 30 percent were in foreclosure. That may sound troubling, but Smale pointed out that in other communities, the number of homes in foreclosure is around 70-80 percent.”

“At this time last year, there were about 800 homes for sale in the Pointes, ‘which is huge.’”

“Perhaps more encouraging is a sign that prices, while nowhere near record peaks of recent years, at least appear to be stabilizing. Smale said the average selling price of a home in Grosse Pointe now is about $280,000; in Detroit, by contrast, it’s estimated at $5,000.”

“‘We are not in bad shape with regard to selling prices,’ he said. ‘Every community … has lost value, and I don’t think Grosse Pointe in comparison to other communities has lost nearly as much.’”

The Badger Herald in Wisconsin. “Parents who used to rely on home equity loans to help pay for their child’s tuition will have to look for other methods of payment due to a sharp decline in home values across the nation. Previously, parents could ask the bank for home equity loans as an inexpensive financial aid option, according to Haley Chitty, director of communications for the National Association of Student Financial Aid Administrators.”

“However, the decline in home values has caused lenders to stop offering non-conformal loans, which include home equity loans. ‘If you have a bunch of equity in your house and the value of your home drops, then you can’t draw on that value to help pay for college,’ Chitty said. ‘When real estate prices were increasing fast that was an extra source of money parents could tap into, but as the real estate has gone down that’s not an option for a lot of parents and students.’”

“According to Ald. Brenda Konkel, District 2, Konkel, the state of Wisconsin has seen a 17 to 18 percent decrease in home values. ‘I would be concerned that students would have a harder time because their parents won’t be in the same position to help them,’ Konkel said. ‘Additionally, there are so many more people afraid of losing their jobs at the moment while in the past people felt a lot more confident so I think it’s sort of a double whammy.’”

“‘I think it’s particularly a big issue for parents that live in the east or west coast. Our prices probably weren’t as out of control as they were in other cities,’ Konkel added. ‘I think the biggest impact in the housing market is it used to take less than 30 days to sell a home now it’s taking a lot longer, particularly with condos.’”

The Star Tribune in Minnesota. “Janel Bergum is excited to move into a ‘cute’ Birchwood, Minn., house with four bedrooms and ‘a nice fenced-in yard.’ Her father, Mike Jesmer, bought the house for her on Saturday for $125,000 at an auction held to help mortgage lenders clear the big backlog of foreclosed properties.”

“‘I was very apprehensive and nervous when we came here,’ said Jesmer, who bought the house at the Minneapolis Convention Center event that featured a tuxedo-clad auctioneer.”

“Real Estate Disposition Corp., a California-based company handled the auction that included pulsating rock music, such as ‘Living in America,’ before the rapid-fire bidding began. Bidding assistants raced up and down the aisles of a ballroom that was packed with 1,000 people — more were in an overflow room — as would-be homeowners and investors bought a foreclosed house every two to three minutes.”

“The assistants, also wearing black tuxedos, waved their arms and blew their whistles to attract the attention of auctioneer Mike Carr when a person in their sections wanted to raise the bid. Carr barely had time to take a drink of water between sales as he coaxed the audience to bid higher on each foreclosed property as it was displayed on a big screen. One bidding assistant, sporting a crew cut, leaped on to a chair, screamed ‘yes’ and pumped his fist as a bidder he was handling succeeded in buying a home.”

“Heide Lidstrom-Olson and her husband, Tarryl Olson, of Eagan, didn’t allow the sizzle of the auction to distract them. Veterans of similar auctions, they bought three houses in St. Paul that they plan to turn into rental homes. They had bought five residential properties at earlier auctions.”

“On Saturday, they paid $57,500 for a house that once had sold for $310,000. Tarryl had carefully analyzed the conditions of all of the houses they bid on, and Heide had a complete breakout of earlier valuations and estimated repairs. They bought two other houses, for $55,000 and $32,500. The couple said they look for properties that need paint, carpeting and new appliances, but are in almost move-in condition.”

“Judy and Mark Rygh of Mounds View purchased a Ham Lake home, once valued at $325,000, for $95,000. They’ll need to sink some money into house repairs, but they’re thrilled the property sits on nearly two acres of land.”

“About 40 to 50 protesters, organized by the Minnesota Coalition for a People’s Bailout, gathered outside the convention hall Saturday to call for a moratorium on foreclosures. But they didn’t cross paths with REDC President Jim Corum, who said, ‘The American dream is to buy low and sell high,’ Corum told bidders Saturday. Many of them took advantage of prices and interest rates that have fallen since the housing bubble deflated. ‘A lot of people were priced out of the market.’”

The Minnesota Independent. “Foreclosures have hit Minnesota’s economy hard, leading to a debate among policymakers over how best to provide relief to the state’s families. While much of the crisis is centralized in an area covering two congressional districts, a search of the congressional record reveals that the representatives in those districts are dealing with the crisis very differently.”

“Rep. Michele Bachmann has voted against all but one measure aimed at foreclosure relief, while Rep. Keith Ellison in the neighboring district has supported or introduced more than a dozen bills to address the issue.”

“Ellison has been working to address the crisis. The 5th district, encompassing Minneapolis and its surrounding suburbs, has the second-highest foreclosure rate in the state, with an estimated 4,413 foreclosures in 2008. Ellison authored a bill that gives renters 90 days notice when a housing unit goes into foreclosure and allow them to finish their lease.”

“In the last session, Ellison authored the Fairness for Homeowners Act, which would add new regulations to mortgage lenders such as verifying a borrower’s ability to pay and eliminating pre-payment penalties. Last Tuesday he and Sen. Amy Klobuchar reintroduced that bill. Ellison is also a co-sponsor of 12 other bills aimed at providing relief to individuals and communities impacted by the foreclosure crisis. His voting record in Congress on housing is virtually the opposite of Bachmann’s.”

“Bachmann and Ellison both sit on the Financial Services Committee. Ellison voted for all five of the foreclosure-related committee bills that Bachmann voted against, and the same was true of the five floor votes on foreclosure legislation.”

“Ellison says that Congress needs to do more for homeowners, and for the middle class in general, than it’s currently doing. ‘How can we sit by and act like we don’t care? A home is a big deal,’ he said. ‘The largest asset that people own is their home.’”

“Bachmann…voted against the FHA Housing Stabilization and Homeownership Rentention Act of 2008, which did not receive a floor vote. The bill would have provided mortgage refinancing assistance to struggling families and expanded FHA loan programs. Bachmann further offered an amendment to block increased funding for HOPE for Homeowners, a Department of Housing and Urban Development program that helps families facing foreclosure to refinance their mortgages.”

“When Congress was debating strategies to assist families facing foreclosure, Bachmann called those homeowners ‘irresponsible.’ ‘Now, we can debate whether this is the right thing to do as it may seem that you’re rewarding the irresponsible while punishing those who have been playing by the rules,’ she said in Febraury. ‘When President Obama released his plan … to prevent home foreclosures, the point he wanted to get across to everyone watching was that money from folks who have been making their payments on time will not just be handed over to those folks who got in over their heads and bought a house they knew they couldn’t afford.’”

“Those homes that residents of the 6th district couldn’t afford had a median value of $239,000, according to the 2007 American Community Survey, just above the national median of $229,000. Prices have likely declined considerably since the 2007 survey.”

The Austin Daily Herald in Minnesota. “Jacquie Barth spent the day in Austin Saturday searching for the first house she can call her own. As she stepped into a small, mint-green two-bedroom on 10th Avenue Northwest, her feelings about it were evident. ‘No, not so much,’ she said of the house, listed at $49,000.”

“Barth, 22, who is single and works full-time at Viracon in Owatonna and part-time at Hy-Vee in Austin, met with a lender, who approved her for $40,0000 to $65,000. Realtor Mary Lindgren said there were 45 options in Austin that met Barth’s price range, although many did not fall into her criteria of two bedrooms, two bathrooms.”

“Their second tour was of a one-bedroom, one-bath for $61,900 on Eighth Avenue Northwest. The house had more potential, but the second-story bedroom was very small.”

“In spite of the rough economy and a nation in the midst of a recession, the Austin housing market is doing remarkably well. This week Lindgren saw another ‘good sign:’ she had a buyer who lost a home after multiple offers were made. ‘The doom and gloom is really old news,’ Lindgren said. ‘Things are selling. We’re already doing better than 2008.’”

“Danielle and Troy Schaefer’s yellow, single-story home is nestled among tall, old trees in a winding residential neighborhood in northwest Austin. After searching for more than a year and a half for a bigger house than their one of eight years in the southeast part of town, they found the perfect fit for them and their three children.”

“Their new home, at $145,000, had more square-footage and was a good deal, she said. It was not until three months later their new house actually belonged to them. The Schaefers were not able to move in until March 18, and their official closing date was supposed to be March 17.”

“Danielle explained that although the housing market and ’small kitchen’ were a hindrance in selling their previous house, they experienced some increasingly common problems: picky underwriters and loan issues with their buyers.”

“The Schaefers had locked into an interest rate, even paying extra to extend it, and the buyers’ loan did not go through. ‘It was a huge mess,’ Danielle said.”

“Lindgren also helped the Schaefers buy their home. ‘It was the only deal that ever made me cry,’ she said.”

Danielle said they love their new home, and do not expect to go through the process again for many years. ‘We will not buy again in the future unless it’s our retirement home … nursing home … coffin,’ she said.”

“But the market is not perfect, Lindgren explained. Homes in Austin have showed a depreciation of about 10 percent in 2008. Also, homeowners who have only owned their homes for a few years should either hold off before selling or ‘crunch some numbers,’ Lindgren said.”

“Lindgren said she expects the only thing stopping Austin’s housing market from having a good year is ‘people with bad credit.’ ‘I really believe this,’ she said. ‘I’m not just trying to be a ‘rah, rah Pollyanna.’”

“Realtor Scott Ulland agrees not only that this area is bucking the miserable housing market trend — he says it’s ‘hot.’ ‘We do have values that are down,’ Ulland explained, ‘but we continue to have spring fever. People are sick of the doom and the gloom of the marketplace. We feel as though the buyers and sellers are coming to that conclusion themselves.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2009-04-08 10:19:35

‘nowhere near record peaks of recent years’

So how is Michigan’s ‘recent record peaks’ any different than the coasts? Oh, and AZ, NV, MT, etc, etc. It’s almost like there are some who are very eager to downplay the breadth of this thing.

‘One longtime player in foreclosed/resale properties who was at the sale, but declined to be named, called the courthouse steps bidding process ‘antiquated’ and said that it makes a whole lot more sense to wait and obtain the property after it’s bank-owned.’

This is something I didn’t understand fully until I had attended a lot of trustee sales. The courthouse steps is where the lender takes the property back. Then the bargaining begins. It is probably more practical to look at these sales as the deadline for the interested parties to do something. And it’s in public so it is as above board as possible. All sorts of things happen there. Second lien holders bid, you name it.

Comment by Confused in Michigan
2009-04-08 12:09:07

Michigan had a bubble just like everybody else, but we didn’t go as crazy with the McMansions and home equity loans as say, California (but then again, who did?).

Comment by Blano
2009-04-08 12:28:38

I would respectfully submit that Michiganders DID go nearly as hog wild as the coasts, based on our multi-year recession here and with price declines just coming the last few years.

Declines should have started even earlier than they did were it not for HELOC’s, MEW’s and the like.

Comment by Silverback1011
2009-04-08 18:46:34

Yes there are some tremendous declines in price in some instances, such as the 1-BR condo we almost bought for a rental that was 70% off from its original high price, but I would submit that it’s unwise to buy anything in the state until GM & Chrysler’s futures are clarified. With the coming layoffs from both companies as they shed manufacturing units, there’s quite a bit further down prices will go.

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Comment by Michael Fink
2009-04-08 12:37:06

Florida. :)

Comment by Confused in Michigan
2009-04-08 12:43:57

I stand corrected.

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Comment by mikey
2009-04-08 15:21:05

“Lindgren said she expects the only thing stopping Austin’s housing market from having a good year is ‘people with bad credit.’ ‘I really believe this,’ she said. ‘I’m not just trying to be a ‘rah, rah Pollyanna.’”

These are the same realtywhores that cheered and promoted the buying of cheaper Austin and Owattana, Mn houses to MD’s and other professionals who did their daily 70 commute miles round trip to Rochester and Mayo during the 80’s Boom.

Some tried it and suffered. One MD and another hospital professional I knew took a hell of a financial beatings dumping near worthless houses because they listened to the local ‘rah rah Pollyannas’ say “Save Money and Come to Austin” :)

 
 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2009-04-08 12:55:48

Here’s an article claiming that banks are still holding the REOs in limbo on a large scale.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/08/MNL516UG90.DTL

“Lenders nationwide are sitting on hundreds of thousands of foreclosed homes that they have not resold or listed for sale, according to numerous data sources. And foreclosures, which banks unload at fire-sale prices, are a major factor driving home values down.”

“We believe there are in the neighborhood of 600,000 properties nationwide that banks have repossessed but not put on the market,” said Rick Sharga, vice president of RealtyTrac, which compiles nationwide statistics on foreclosures. “California probably represents 80,000 of those homes. It could be disastrous if the banks suddenly flooded the market with those distressed properties. You’d have further depreciation and carnage.”

Or, to put it differently, affordability and opportunity.

 
Comment by Kim
2009-04-08 13:05:19

It is probably more practical to look at these sales as the deadline for the interested parties to do something…. All sorts of things happen there. Second lien holders bid, you name it.

It is my understanding that in Illinois the lender MUST bid at the courthouse auction in order to establish the amount of their loss. I still haven’t figured out why that loss isn’t based on what is already on the books, i.e. the defaulted loan amount plus the costs incurred in the foreclosure process.

“Antiquated” indeed.

 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2009-04-08 10:33:39

“Parents who used to rely on home equity loans to help pay for their child’s tuition will have to look for other methods of payment due to a sharp decline in home values across the nation.”
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Isn’t that the truth, and it isn’t just college tuition. Before I realized people were spending their houses, I remember being perplexed at how many people in my low-wage city could afford to send their children to private schools, in addition to driving high-end vehicles, buying boats, and having Lasik and plastic surgery done.

Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-04-08 10:46:20

It is amazing how fast people blew threw money. I had neighbors whose well insured father died, and left them about 1,000.000. Within a year they were broke. They never had much, but as soon as they got the money, they went out and bought new cars, new furniture, new house, etc.

 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-04-08 10:35:12

“Barth, 22, who is single and works full-time …met with a lender, who approved her for $40,0000 to $65,000. Realtor Mary Lindgren said there were 45 options in Austin that met Barth’s price range, although many did not fall into her criteria of two bedrooms, two bathrooms.

Well, why does a single person need two bathrooms? How much pee*ing does she plan to do? Is she gonna do it in relays?
Oh, whatever, people are dumb.

Anyway!
I’m feeling tremendously perky and joyful today, because:
1. It’s nicely cloudy and windy again. Avaunt ye, desiccating sunshine!

2. The other evening I came out of the Best Dive Bar in the World and there was a landscapers truck parked right there, and it was loaded with camellia branches, so I grabbed a huge armload, and requested my pals do the same and then we all trouped down the street to my car and I took the top down and we loaded my car to the gills with big branches covered with waxy dark green leaves and tightly curled up buds. Then I drove home sedately, waving majestically to gawking onlookers. It probably looked like a big white slug was being attacked by an angry forest and some helpful chick was trying to drive the poor slug to safety. Luckily I saw no cops.
THEN—this is the joyful part—I got out all my giantest vases and set them up in a corner of my living room and arranged the camellias in them and then put blankets and snacks in my new camellia den and put ‘La Traviata’ in my player (because as you know, the opera is based on the novel ‘La Dame Aux Camellias’, so it was totally necessary to do this,) Then I got in there and listened to it whilst I simultaneously pretended I was Tarzan and ate a lot. And of course I cried loudly and enthusiastically at the appropriate parts. (Don’t go to the opera with me, if it’s a sad one. And is there any other kind? ) Oh, it was super!
Then this morning the first buds have started to pop open, to be a lovely rich pink! You all know how lovely camellias are! And I’ve got camellias SQUARED! No, CUBED! Huh huh huh!

3. And last, but not least, today’s Olympian has a cheerleady sort of article on the local state of used house selling, but you know what? NOPE. Hahahahahah! Fook you, REtards!
I read it twice, with pleasure, sniffing happily at the desperation wafting out from between the lines…

So anyway, what a lovely day.

Comment by Anon E. Moose
2009-04-08 10:53:30

Well, why does a single person need two bathrooms?

2BR/2BA is a roomates’ appartment - lets you combine a larger shared common area than a 1BR or 2BR/1BA, yet each person has their own ’space’. It commands a higher rent from two single people living together (or more bohemian, two couples) than you can get from a 2BR/1BA.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-04-08 11:41:29

Ornery single Slim checking in from Tucson:

The Arizona Slim Ranch has two bathrooms. And, as you’re well aware by now, there’s only one irascible Slim in residence here.

And why might I be the proud repair-er of the plumbing in two bathrooms? Well, let me tell you a little secret: I occasionally invite (gasp!) other people into this abode. And here’s another secret: They sometimes need to (eek!) use the facilities. And sometimes I need to do this at the same time.

That’s where two johnnies comes in handy.

Comment by Wine Country Dude
2009-04-08 18:19:40

I can’t help but think that this is in the “want”, not “need” category. I mean, families used to inhabit houses where there was one bathroom for everyone. I even bought my house from one such family of four (I am a family of one and one john works perfectly well). To the best of my knowledge, they were not reduced to defecating next to the rose bushes.

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Comment by measton
2009-04-08 18:48:03

We have 4 and one bathroom, but one member of the family has deficated on the floor and in the bathtub. We are hoping he’ll grow out of it. Not sure more bathrooms would make a difference as he is only 1.

 
Comment by ozajh
2009-04-08 22:24:55

Agree, but Arizona Slim also has a valid point and in the current market I see no reason why Ms Barth shouldn’t indulge that ‘want’ provided she can afford it.

I myself would always stretch A LITTLE to get an extra bathroom now. It’s like car airconditioning and cruise control; SURE it’s unnecessary, but it’s nice to have and (for me at least) worth the extra money.

 
 
Comment by JoJo
2009-04-09 11:47:58

I have three ‘necessaries’ (one full, 2 half) in Casa JoJo. Boy did they ever come in handy over X-mas when me and my houseguests all got hit with that nasty stomach bug on the same day. Yeah, I don’t blame her for wanting a second ‘facility’.

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-04-08 11:55:07

Oh. Okay, then. Thanks for the explanation. I just assumed she had a really weak bladder, or something.

Comment by Skip
2009-04-08 13:58:12

These are indoor as well.

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-04-08 15:41:59

Man! Wow! That’s fancy-like!

 
 
 
Comment by SV_Renter
2009-04-08 13:42:01

I always preferred two bathrooms rather than one when I was single - if I could get it. Then, if one breaks down, you don’t have to go out to the gas station while you wait for a plumber to show up. Also, if you want to later rent out a second bedroom, it makes it easier to find a roommate.

 
Comment by whyoung
2009-04-08 15:09:09

in NYC during the last RE meltdown, 2 bedroom apartments were easier to resell as they could suit a small family.

In the mid 90’s banks had more stringent building requirements and would not lend on studios at all. To get a mortgage, One bedrooms had to be in a building that was more than 50% owner occupied, had an elevator and had a minimum number of units (40 or so I think).

So if you could afford a small 2 (or a Junior 4) it was a better “investment” and you could always get a roommate for the spare room.

Knew a some couples that were stuck in one bedroom apartments with a kid because they were underwater and couldn’t sell for many years.

 
 
Comment by Doghouse Riley
2009-04-08 11:21:49

“Don’t go to the opera with me, if it’s a sad one. And is there any other kind? ”

As someone who has in my long-gone college days portrayed Captain Corcoran, Archibald Grosvenor, and the Mikado of Japan, I beg to differ with ya, Oly.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-04-08 11:53:16

Oh, yeah, them. I forgot those. Probably because I like to cry when listening to operas.

*starts to sing the ‘Three Little Maids from School’ song loudly and prettily *

Comment by Elanor
2009-04-08 15:11:59

Next year’s Lyric schedule here in Chicagoland includes The Merry Widow and The Marriage of Figaro. There’s a couple of other happy operas too, but I can’t remember which ones at the moment. The other 4 productions are all doom and gloom: Faust and such. It looks like they decided to go half happy and half sad next season. Is the glass half empty or half full? Let the operagoer decide!

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-04-08 15:33:26

It looks like they decided to go half happy and half sad next season. Is the glass half empty or half full? Let the operagoer decide!

Hmmm….say, I know!
How about cry the glass half full of tears. And then say, all poetic and philosophically-like: ‘Is my glass half full, or half empty?’
And then put in a little umbrella and a twizzle-stick in your glass of tears, and drink it. Then it’s all gone, and out of your head, so everything is all solved, nice and tidy-like. Plus you still got the cute little umbrella to play with.

 
Comment by pismoclam
2009-04-08 18:25:30

I think I’ll go get a glass half full of vino plus some cheese and deviled eggs. Then finish reading the blog.If I have to GO, I’ve got two bathrooms.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-04-08 19:37:29

Really!?
Me, too, as it happens. 2 bathrooms, but I didn’t ask for them—they were already there and in situ when I encountered my house (it’s a very little house) and subsequently bought it—and they’re both stupid bathrooms, although one of them at least can emit a steady stream of blazing hot water into the tub, which is all I require.

But as for the other, I like to pe*e in the giant dark forest anyway, so it hardly matters. I certainly will not run for home when the need takes, ’cause that’d be a mile or more, and I’d get lost.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-04-08 13:15:12

“Avaunt ye, desiccating sunshine!”

I’m with you on this, Olygal! The unaccustomed glare gave me a nasty headache yesterday that just wouldn’t go away…

“I read it twice, with pleasure, sniffing happily at the desperation wafting out from between the lines…”

I love the smell of desperation in the morning! :-)

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-04-08 13:35:22

I’m with you on this, Olygal! The unaccustomed glare gave me a nasty headache yesterday that just wouldn’t go away…

And are you allll betterrrr today, I can only hope?
* makes soothing gestures in the air, towards the north *

I love the smell of desperation in the morning!

Yes, a more delicious breakfast perfume than even buttery toast. :)

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-04-08 14:16:10

“And are you allll betterrrr today, I can only hope?
* makes soothing gestures in the air, towards the north *”

Yep, all better today—thanks for asking! The accustomed grey is so much more calming and eye-friendly. :-)

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-04-08 14:41:35

I think so, too. Why, I can actually open my pale little Gollum eyeballs all the way! No squintin’ required!
I cannot imagine how I came to grow up in Utarr and didn’t sizzle up like a girl-shaped bag of bacon ends and pieces. It boggles me brain.
(My nice, moist, re-hydrated brain.)

 
 
 
 
Comment by reuven
2009-04-08 13:37:40

I have a separate bathroom just for the cats! The litter boxes are in the bathtub.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-04-08 14:37:39

Tell us about your cats, reuvy. Are these Jewish cats, or are they like most cats I’ve ever met? Who just don’t care about God at all?

Comment by Houstonstan
2009-04-08 21:35:08

Actually Cats are unintentionally Dyxlectic and agnostic at the same time. They often lie awake at night pondering on the existing of Dog.

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Comment by bluprint
2009-04-08 22:30:42

Who just don’t care about God at all?

My cat must be different. She thinks she IS god.

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Comment by Reuven
2009-04-08 23:19:39

Well, I have cousins, who are Katz, and they are most certainly Jewish. I’m not sure about my cat’s religion, but my dog became a Bark Mitzvah.

My previous cat, of blessed memory (ז״ל), was toilet trained. I used the book “How to toilet train your cat.” It worked out well, until she got very old, and then we had to retrain her for the box.

Happy Passover!

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Comment by ahansen
2009-04-08 22:51:06

I have a separate bathroom for the cats–who use the toilet therein. It’s an occasional inconveneince for houseguests, because they haven’t learned to flush yet. But I’m working on it.

 
 
Comment by MrBubble
2009-04-08 15:53:18

Oly –

As much as I love the sauce, the statements “departing from dive bar” and “drove home” do not compute. Perhaps I am projecting upon you the amount that I would have drunk at the world’s best dive bar. [Zeitgeist got me and the lady for a bunch on Sunday.] But there are bicyclists (like me) who just want to enjoy our warm moment in the Sun. Careful of us steel-sheath challenged folk!

MrBubble

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-04-08 16:59:16

Nope. 2 beers. (I did drink a *bit* more later. Hahahaah! I homebrew, you see, and hardly ever run short.)
I don’t know if I’m that scared of dying, but I DO know I’m that scared of getting all mashed up and crippled and ugly, or even worse, inflicting that fate upon someone else.

No, no—I spent most of my time on the ‘Day of Camellias’ pretending to be listening patiently to my dumb-a*ss pals complain, while secretly examining Ian* as he studiously poured drinks and also pretended to patiently listen to other, different dumbas*ses.

*He’s the bartender. *shy giggle *

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-04-08 17:35:13

I’m much too shy to talk to him, though. Being a bartender, he’s all wise and knowledgeable and world-weary and stuff.

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Comment by MrBubble
2009-04-08 18:57:35

I can’t think of the name “Ian” without thinking of that scene in High Fidelity. So painful!

Glad you did yer boozing after the drive. And I’m sure that Ian would chat you up. That’s why we tip, right? Heh. The beautiful Amber serves me my Racer 5. I try not to be the creepy old dude at the bar. But I do it so well. No 5 or Lagunitas today. Ugh.

MrBubble

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-04-08 19:40:47

Oh, yeah? Well, take your own advice.

Say, how about we make a pact. I talk to Ian, and do it without giggling ret*ardedly, and YOU talk to ‘Amber’, and also do this without giggling ret*ardedly.
Then we can laugh about it later. Or else we can cry dramatically, or something.

Hahahah!
This sounds supremely funny already! I can’t wait!

 
 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-04-08 15:56:47

I made history in Austin, Mn. Got into a great fight with two big guys outside of a disco bar across the street from the Courthouse square over a girl. Cops and squad car where everywhere. I though I was in bg trouble because I hurt a couple of their local farm boys.

They were two Minnesota Vikings, one of which had a crush on this chick and she never even told me. Thank God I had connections and all the local cops loved my little A$$. One wanted to get checked out at the hospital until the cops advised him that I and all of my friends …worked there.

Bud Grant told me on an airline flight years later that they “ran into a Professional Boxer in Mpls” and laughed when I told him I though that I was street fighting for my life with Farmer Brown and his big cousin. mikey gets around and STILL…loves those totally useless…Minnesota Vikings ;)

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-04-08 17:28:16

+100 for the great story. :)

Comment by mikey
2009-04-08 18:04:51

Yeah…the worst part was this chick HAD told my whole frigging family about the incident and nobody ever said a word to me that they knew about it for years.

Then years later, my older brother mentioned to my football playing nephew, that I busted his HS quarterback’s nose and mouth when he was the star wide reciever, because he liked to pound on friends small younger brothers. Then my Mom, who barely survived my wayward youthful days, pops up and says” Don’t forget those two old Minnesota Vikings that didn’t like him either”…then grins.

This was at a big formal, extended family dinner and friends. I was horrified as my brother relates the supposedly long buried and supposedly unknown sorid tale in front of my new gal, friends and relatives from far and near.

Right Ma, it was 4 Austin City squad cars and 11 cops not counting the undercover cop….sheesh :(

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-04-08 18:45:56

and nobody ever said a word to me that they knew about it for years.

They was probably scairt you’d jump ‘em and treat ‘em like a Minnesota Viking, and that’s why they was all mysterious about it, right up until the day when…you were in front of a new girl and couldn’t misbehave theatrically.

Hahahahahaah! That’s funny! Hahahaahah!
*laughs loudly and obnoxiously and safely *

PS. You should give your mom some sort of ribbon. And a giant box of candy. Oh, yeah, and a ‘thank you’ note, too. Because she deserves it.

 
Comment by mikey
2009-04-08 19:21:53

You women all stick together Oly, you never let a good guy live it down :) That was just one of my very minor youthfull indiscretions. Like when I’m shacked up on a remote jungle hill in Okinawa with this USO “Chick to Die For”.

Loud pounding on the door and there stands straight laced Mom, little Sis and Dad in Dress Uniform, just stopping bye, to see their then, “baby boy” on their way to Hong Kong. Like there was this whole frigg’n world they could have flown around for free and NOT landed on my doorstep. I went through a tour in NAM and nobody in my entire company EVER fessed up to telling me who directed those strange people to my exact whereabouts.

 
Comment by mikey
2009-04-08 19:58:33

“Hahahahahaah! That’s funny! Hahahaahah!
*laughs loudly and obnoxiously and safely*”

** the above is duly noted and referenced with extreme prejudice in mikey’s little doomsday book Olygal**
;)

 
Comment by ozajh
2009-04-08 22:31:42

Or, in keeping with Olygal’s Mikado theme above,

“I’ve got a little list, I’ve got a little list.” :D

 
Comment by mikey
2009-04-08 22:34:32

Sheesh…thought you’d be sleeping with the mushrooms n’ frogs by now :)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Doghouse Riley
2009-04-08 10:37:16

“‘I was very apprehensive and nervous when we came here,’ said Jesmer, who bought the house at the Minneapolis Convention Center event that featured a tuxedo-clad auctioneer.”

It must have been the “pulsating rock music” and tuxedo clad, whistle-blowing “bidding assistants” that calmed him down.

 
Comment by Anon E. Moose
2009-04-08 10:43:21

“She and her husband moved into a rental home in Lawrence. ‘We’ll probably never own another home now,’ she said.”

Oh, the HORROR! I’ll bet they’re not feeling quite so arrogant about their status as home l’owners v. renters as they once did.

As for the thrust of the article - foreclosure prevention scams, if you ask any con-man in a candid moment he’ll tell you that the easiest mark is a proven sucker. For example, take someone who signed up to pay too much for a house (convinced by a Realt(wh)or(e)), using a mortage that they didn’t understand (convinced by a mortgage broker). How tough do you think it would be to get them to part with a couple grand when they’ve already been fleeced for hudreds of thousands?

Comment by FP
2009-04-08 13:09:20

“Oh, the HORROR! I’ll bet they’re not feeling quite so arrogant about their status as home l’owners v. renters as they once did. ”

We have people over for dinner and have great parties on our “rented” house all the time. We never really mention that we were renting the place until it comes up. They seemed surprised that we rent. most people know we rent now. We have nice cars that are paid off, we wear fairly decent clothes ;) or at least my wife does, we have high paying professional jobs, good citizens in the community, kids at Private school, college educated. SO I guess we fit the “profile”. Sometimes they ask why. My normal response is that we are happy where we are at now and if we feel like settling into a house of our own, we will.

They often ask how much I pay in rent and I can see the painful look in their faces. One said they were paying three times the amount I pay in rent on a mortgage on a place half the size of mine. It kills them.

Actually I saw a house that I liked the other day but it was priced WAY too high. oh well….

 
 
Comment by Steve W
2009-04-08 10:55:14

Two problems I see already with the New Buffalo trainstop plan.

1) It’s on an amtrak line. The chance of delays nears 100%, there’s no way that’s an hour trip routinely.

2) Based on the time it arrives in Chicago (1045 am), well, who the heck starts work in downtown Chicago at 11 am?

Fail.

Comment by Brian in Chicago
2009-04-08 15:44:24

It’s an hour trip once the stimulus money is spent and the line is 100% high-speed rail. LOL. Anyway, Amtrak runs the Chicago-Milwaukee line very well and if this line had developed commuter demands Amtrak would accommodate them.

This guy is trying to sell his condos at boomtime Chicago prices, which is definitely going to fail. It’s southwest Michigan!

Now, I can’t complain too much - I might actually use this new Amtrak station. New Buffalo is a lovely town in the summertime, and this station drops you off right at the marina, which is pretty handy! So I am pretty happy this guy threw away his money :)

 
 
Comment by bink
2009-04-08 11:26:59

“Perhaps more encouraging is a sign that prices, while nowhere near record peaks of recent years, at least appear to be stabilizing. Smale said the average selling price of a home in Grosse Pointe now is about $280,000; in Detroit, by contrast, it’s estimated at $5,000.”

And ladies, I’m darn sexy when compared to Abe Vigoda. Please form a line to the right..

(hoping this works)

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-04-08 11:43:34

I can recall visiting a college housemate in Grosse Pointe.

Jiminy Christmas, the girl lived in a *palace.* The other housemate (whose car was being used for this excursion) was just as jaw-dropping amazed as I was.

Comment by Blano
2009-04-08 12:34:21

Having lived a few years in Aspen, Colorado, even after 20+ years in Detroit I have been continuously underwhelmed and unimpressed with the Pointes, the Bloomfields, Birmingham, etc. etc. etc. Bunch of posers IMHO for the most part.

 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-04-08 11:50:51

Are you going to have trays of whipped cream and Spanish Olive delicacies available for the line? If so, assign me a number right this minute! Quickly, man!
:)

Comment by bink
2009-04-08 12:27:36

They have to be prepared when eaten, unfortunately, as the whipped cream tends to get all melty and oily when placed on the olive. There were be plenty of cans of whipped cream and jars of olives there for those who want some, however. And if you don’t like the taste you can always just enjoy the nitrous from the cans.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-04-08 14:42:39

Ah. You have good plans, I see.

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Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-04-08 11:54:59

“Could New Buffalo be in transition……?”

I visited New Buffalo in 2003. I thought it was nice just the way it was…….a nice little town on the lake. Too bad house prices were sky-high, even back then.

I wish some of these developers would leave well enough alone.

“Perfect is the enemy of “Good Enough”…”

 
Comment by Karen
2009-04-08 12:11:07

“Heide Lidstrom-Olson and her husband, Tarryl Olson, of Eagan, didn’t allow the sizzle of the auction to distract them. Veterans of similar auctions, they bought three houses in St. Paul that they plan to turn into rental homes. They had bought five residential properties at earlier auctions.”

“On Saturday, they paid $57,500 for a house that once had sold for $310,000. Tarryl had carefully analyzed the conditions of all of the houses they bid on, and Heide had a complete breakout of earlier valuations and estimated repairs. They bought two other houses, for $55,000 and $32,500. The couple said they look for properties that need paint, carpeting and new appliances, but are in almost move-in condition.”

I suppose local readers know whether St. Paul is a place anyone would want to buy a house, rental or otherwise. Without knowing neighborhoods, grocery store proximity, schools, and likely gross rents I can’t judge whether the Olsons are chumps or role models.

Why is the MSM talking about bubble prices? It’s like a divorcee talking about all of the money he used to have when he was married to his big-earner wife. It’s pathetic, uninteresting, and not helpful to progress.

Comment by AnonyRuss
2009-04-08 23:58:13

“Without knowing neighborhoods, grocery store proximity, schools, and likely gross rents I can’t judge whether the Olsons are chumps or role models.”

With everything that I have read, it is difficult to take REDC auctions seriously.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-08 12:28:57

‘The banks have to get the money. They don’t want the property,’ he said. ‘The bank will accept low offers because they are not into holding real estate. These days, bank-owned is the only way to do it.’

Are banks generally willing to divulge lists of REO to prospective buyers? It seems like they could do better at moving foreclosed and/or vacant properties by making REO information publicly available. I am wondering how a prospective buyer would best tap into this hidden market?

Comment by JohnF
2009-04-08 12:58:46

In the olden days you could go into you local bank and ask for their REO department and they may have a few to offer you before they would list them with a broker - saved them a commission and maybe they could make you a loan for the property while you were there.

Today my impression is that much of the REO is being managed by the servicers, since the note holder is usually a trust or LLC or some such entity and I would imagine things are a little chaotic right now in their REO departments, so they don’t really want the general public in there.

I would also think that they don’t really want the public to know just how much REO they actually have, and/or they don’t even know themselves. If that became public, things could spin out of control for them very quickly.

 
Comment by Kim
2009-04-08 13:14:34

REOs in my area are being funneled to agents. However, I am noticing a growing ghost inventory being withheld by the lenders/banks that I just didn’t see in this area last spring/summer.

This will not end well.

Comment by JohnF
2009-04-08 13:56:23

I am of the opinion that the reason this REO is being withheld from the market is due to:

1.) There is way too much to deal with so it sits, awaiting disposition

2.) The solemn hope that the Feds will buy all this crap at or near face value

3.) The realization that if they actually do sell it, somebody, somewhere has to record a permanent loss

The actual answer is probably some combination of 1,2 and 3……

Comment by Mo Money
2009-04-08 14:21:34

Sometimes it’s 4) The REO is being held off the market as a sweetheart deal for someone the agent knows or the agent themselves.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-04-08 18:19:24

Well those bankers have a LOT of friends or others who deserve a sweetheart deal!

 
Comment by Muir
2009-04-08 19:30:39

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. (PB—-> BC)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Holdingtheline
2009-04-08 13:06:14

I would rather live with the inlaws indefinitely than buy some overpriced depreciating asset known as a box I mean house. I am committed to paying cash for a home which means the price must be excellent. Sellers can keep paying those massive property taxes while I patiently wait for truly motivated and desperate owners. Time is on my side and I love being able to send money to the inlaws…keep it in the family until the right deal comes along.

 
Comment by Skip
2009-04-08 13:59:12

leaving residents without a promised swimming pool and their unpaved streets with multiplying potholes.

Finally, a reason to justify your SUV purchase.

 
Comment by MacAttack
2009-04-08 17:53:46

We’re starting to have REDC auctions here in Oregon. Giant yellow signs on garage doors, saying: Break In, Strip My Copper (if you ask me, that’s what they say.) Good thing the price of copper has been cut in half. People don’t seem to be stealing Toyota truck catalytic converters any more, either. That got so bad the sheriff’s dept. was doing a free weld-on program with a local muffler shop.

 
Comment by measton
2009-04-08 21:53:00

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aNMQDysdnKRc&refer=home

Now if this article could be sent to every American along with a pitchfork and some form of fire, we might see some form of change. Instead the blood suckers will continue to bleed the country dry.

 
Comment by ylekiot1
2009-04-09 05:34:55

April 9 (Bloomberg) — Manfred Thiele and thousands of Germans like him are holding back the government’s efforts to jumpstart a recovery for the nation’s automakers.

Thiele plans to scrap an 11-year-old Audi to buy his first new car even though he just lost his job, helped by a 2,500-euro ($3,300) subsidy meant to buoy the economy. That’s good news for Chancellor Angela Merkel. Less encouraging is his plan to spend the cash on a Renault SA Clio from France.

http://tinyurl.com/djkjuk

How many things wrong do you find in this article?

 
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