Bits Bucket For April 14, 2009
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
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Fed’s Fisher Forecasts Steep Contraction in U.S. GDP…
April 14 (Bloomberg) — U.S. Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas President Richard Fisher said “grim” figures indicate the world’s largest economy shrank steeply last quarter.
“The economic data in the U.S. is quite grim, and I expect a contraction at a very dazzling rate in the first quarter,” Fisher said in a speech today in Hong Kong. He reiterated his prediction that the jobless rate may exceed 10 percent this year.
The bank president’s remarks come as U.S. policy makers continue an unprecedented campaign to increase the money supplied to the economy. Fisher, 60, is among the most hawkish members of the Federal Open Market Committee, having voted five times last year in favor of tighter policy.
The central bank’s policies are likely to help end the U.S. recession, Fisher said in the speech at a luncheon sponsored by the Asian Society of Hong Kong. Government stimulus measures should also start to have an impact on the world’s largest economy from the second quarter, he said later in an interview with Bloomberg Television.
The U.S. economy shrank at an annual 6.3 percent pace in the final three months of 2008, the worst performance since 1982. A report later this month will show gross domestic product fell an annualized 5 percent last quarter, according to the median estimate of 74 economists surveyed by Bloomberg News.
He’s wrong though - the CBO predicted a worst-case scenario of unemployment peaking at 9.4% just last month. I saw it!!!! I have links!!!!!111
publish the links!!!
link (warning PDF)
“For the next two years, CBO anticipates that economic
output will average about 7 percent below its
potential—the output that would be produced if the
economy’s resources were fully employed. That shortfall
is comparable with the one that occurred during
the recession of 1981 and 1982 and will persist for significantly
longer—making the current recession the
most severe since World War II. In CBO’s forecast, the
unemployment rate peaks at 9.4 percent in late 2009
and early 2010 and remains above 7.0 percent through
the end of 2011. With a large and sustained output
gap, inflation is expected to be very low during the
next several years.”
“I expect a contraction at a very dazzling rate in the first quarter,”
Dazzling? Interesting word choice, almost like Zsa Zsa Gabor describing the economy.
She was a degreed and well respected economist in her native Hungary. (Many years before she became a fixture on Hollywood Squares). Or was it The Match Game?
Dahling!
I guess I’m a sucker, because I went and checked her bio in the Wikipedia.
However, the Wikipedia does say she lost $10M to Bernie Madoff.
when asked who her favorite of eight or so husbands, she replied: “George Sanders. He was the best.”
Since she was in her prime when she married George, methinks it wasn’t about his financial prowess.
hehe
I can’t believe I’m that bored too
Housing shenanigans even in Bel Air
>>
In 2005, Gabor accused her daughter Francesca of larceny and fraud, alleging that her daughter forged her signature to get a $2 million loan on her mother’s Bel Air house, and filed a lawsuit against Francesca in a California court.[5]
I thought Eva was the economist, that’s why she was a natural for Green Acres (”Dahling, I love you, but give me Park Avenue”)
Contrast that prediction with this bozo:
S&P 500 Will Rise to 1,100 This Year, Leuthold Says (Update1)
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By Rita Nazareth and Erik Schatzker
April 14 (Bloomberg) — Steve Leuthold, whose Grizzly Short Fund returned 74 percent last year betting against U.S. stocks, said the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index surge to 1,100 after valuations got to the cheapest levels of his career in March.
Most investors should have 65 percent of their assets in stocks, Leuthold, 71, said in a Bloomberg Television interview today. He said the largest U.S. companies are more undervalued than the smallest. Leuthold’s 2009 forecast for the S&P 500, which sank to 676.53 on March 9, represents a 28 gain from yesterday’s close of 858.73.
Leuthold also said that financial stocks won’t be the stock market’s leaders. He favors technology and biotechnology companies and advised investors to avoid “defensive” consumer shares and utilities.
Two comments:
- This dude apparently had a career switch sometime after the 1980’s, since stocks were *way* cheaper then.
- Given that earnings are actually negative right now - that means that S&P valuations are in essence infinitely expensive. I’m not sure how anyone can actually say they’re cheap.
A red hott hottie, that Rita Nazareth is…..:)
Negative earnings? But what about the banks that are happily report great profits that are still less than the amount of our money they’ve been handed thanks to TARP, Son of TARP, and so on - surely, once everyone is TARPed, we’ll have positive “earnings” forever more.
Anyone who’s had a tarp over something in their yard for a while knows that it tends to kill the green shoots.
As well as preventing the raining on anyone’s parade.
It was reported on NPR yesterday that the “Mark-to-Fantasy” accounting change allows the banks to value their housing assets at .91 cents on the dollar. No wonder they are reporting record profits.
My favorite line was that “accounting is fluid, there are no hard and fast rules” I bet the FASB folks heads exploded with that comment.
I have no confidence in FASB anymore.
No, no - impossible!
The stock market is up and the Bailout money is rolling! Surely, we can print our way to prosperity! Maybe bigger Bailouts will work - more handouts for everyone… can’t have The One’s first 100 days not end in a glorious rush back to the top in the stock market and stupid-happy optimism all the way around.
1819: America’s First Housing Bubble
Mises Daily by C.J. Maloney | Posted on 4/7/2009 12:00:00 AM
Panic of 1819
“Asset bubbles all have a few things in common.
First and foremost, they end badly.”
– Caroline Baum (2005)
With little interest in and even less knowledge of history, the modern American finds anything he considers tragic to be an utterly new crisis of unfathomable proportions and, as befits a great nation, one completely new to mankind’s historical experience. As any patriotic American knows, we ooze uniqueness.
Yet, despite Congressman Barney Frank’s blubbering insistence that our nation’s current financial mess is a “new phenomena,” today’s “housing/credit/confidence crisis” is anything but. Our ancestors had already seen all the broken dreams and ignorant greed surfing high on a wave of paper money and hollow credit — more than once before. The America of 1819 and the financial panic its citizens experienced was only the first of what is America’s true national pastime: speculative mania.
Examining how the men of 1819 responded to the crisis and, most importantly, what the results of their actions were, may give us an idea or two (or none) to help solve the current crisis. Should we solve it — and I have no doubt that we will — then we can write down our own warnings, born of harsh experience, so that generations not yet born may completely ignore them too.
http://mises.org/story/3395
“Banks multiplied like mushrooms on a dung heap”
“fusspots”
Great read.
Silly comparison. We have the internet now. Duh.
The banker men post record profits, but life for many in the trenches is bleak.
What’s the logic here? Hope that a bank/market paper recovery spurs consumer spending and “creates” jobs?
Or are they totally clueless and we’re stumbling towards an epic blowout?
I don’t understand it either. It’s like there’s two complete opposites taking place at the same time. But which one will give way, the bleakness, or the profits??
70% of the economy is consumer spending…
Consumer borrowing dips more than expected in Feb.
By CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER
The Federal Reserve said Tuesday that consumer borrowing dropped at an annual rate of $7.48 billion in February, or 3.5 percent, from January. Wall Street economists expected borrowing to slide by only $1 billion, according to a survey by Thomson Reuters.
The decline was led by a record drop in borrowing on credit cards, which fell at an annual rate of $7.8 billion, or 9.7 percent. That is the sharpest drop in dollar terms since federal records began in 1968, and the steepest percentage fall since 1978.
I saw on the news that BofA raised their credit card interest rates by 4% and Chase by 8% despite receiving bailout money to ease consumer lending.
It’s going to get ugly.
Yup its time to stiff the banks….if you aint got nothin…force their hand to lower the rate and i will keep paying monthly or raise it and i will default…and you get nothing….
It will waste everyone’s time and effort wasting tons of collection phone calls when i can turn off the bell, or have it light flash when it rings…then waste a few hours in court telling a judge you’re broke..
The only good part is a lot of lawyers are on per Diem so stalling or filing a response i can get them another days pay.
Yes just tell everyone to enjoy being in a court room…and get your debts dismissed some even with prejudice…and you can avoid filing BK.
PS: set your phone to pick up on the 5th ring most auto dialers are programmed to ring 4 times which is the default in most answering machines.
They developed a different kind of neutron bomb, that kills the rest of the country, but leaves the banks standing.
“TURN THE MACHINES BACK ON!!!”
- Mortimer Duke
“I saw on the news that BofA raised their credit card interest rates by 4% and Chase by 8% despite receiving bailout money to ease consumer lending.”
It’s true. I have never been late with a credit card payment, and I just received a letter from B of A telling me that they are raising my rates. In fairness, I am able to reject the increase (so the rate stays the same), but will no longer be able to use the card. That’s fine with me, as I don’t need to use it. I actually plan on paying off the card and closing it, and also closing my retail accounts with B of A, never to conduct business with them again- ever.
I got a letter from Chase informing us our rate was going up to some ungodly rate, and then a few months later another saying never mind, we’re lowering it again.
I forget why we signed up for the Chase card, but I do know that we never use it.
No, don’t cancel your credit cards, or it will lower your credit score. Longevity is important. Use them for major purchases or just for consumer goods if you need to. Then pay half off the outstanding balance. (Of course pay off the other half the next month). Give them a few dollars and they will keep your scores up. This is important in case you need to borrow money in an emergency, ( suppose you suddenly need another car?) or to take advantage of a good real estate deal. Don’t burn your bridges behind you!
Yeah, I’m leaving a dollar balance on my Chase card, but otherwise never using it again. Just got a notice they were raising my interest to 15% due to the economy. unbelievable.
The wall street economists were only off by an average of 7.5X, what do you expect, perfection?
LOL
How much of this “profit” is simply due to the new relaxed regulations on mark-to-fantasy?
I can only imagine that this con will backfire with more anger among the common folk for the massive bailouts.
Yeah, it’s really confusing because I think some in the PTB do indeed think that a market/banks that exhibit signs of recovery will inspire confidence in consumers.
OTOH, the PTB may also be thoroughly underestimating the common man and his/her tolerance for blatant hypocrisy.
Yep: I can easily see a jobless future with hordes of people in soup lines as they walk past the government provided flat-panel TV’s in the soup kitchen where the “news” blares away about another record setting quarter for the banks (now all TARPed completely) and how the market is up for its 100th day in a row. Everyone will cheer and forget who it was who sent them all to the soup lines and how none of them have any money left to “invest” in the market anyway.
“Or are they totally clueless and we’re stumbling towards an epic blowout?”
Yeah, that.
That was a trick question, right?
In the entire history of this country, nay, the world, nothing got changed until after the fact.
Is Goldman Sacks above the First Amendment?
More generally, is Megabank, Inc above the Law of the Land?
Goldman Sachs Profits Don’t Ease Blog Headache
Goldman Sachs Wants Angry Blogger to Cease and Desist
By ALICE GOMSTYN
ABC NEWS Business Unit
April 14, 2009
Goldman Sachs is locking horns with a blogger, who is determined to draw more public scrutiny to the investment giant.
Florida blogger Mike Morgan, who runs the Web site goldmansachs666 dog com, says the investment giant Goldman Sachs doesn’t “want the truth out there.”
Lawyers for Goldman, which yesterday reported better-than-expected profits of $1.66 billion for the first three months of 2009, last week sent a cease-and-desist letter accusing Florida blogger Mike Morgan of trademark infringement and violations of the firm’s intellectual property rights because of Morgan’s Web sites: goldmansachs666 dog com and goldmansachs13 dog com. In turn, Morgan filed a lawsuit against Goldman in U.S. District Court Monday, asking the court to declare that he is using his domain names legally.
Morgan’s goldmansachs666 dog com site includes posts with such titles as “Is Goldman Sachs Manipulating the Stock Market? — It Sure Looks Like It” and “Did Goldman Sachs Scam the System with AIG?“
Mike Morgan, a Florida realtor, took it on the chin from Lennar for exposing their crappy housing. Now he’s going for Goldman. I admire the guy. He refuses to be cowed. It’s usually brave individuals like him who bring about real change, when people finally rally behind them.
Ben has tried to do the same thing, but I have the suspicion that if he actually were a widely known public figure who had the power to change something, this blog probably couldn’t exist. It is the grassroots nature of blogs and their anonymity that offers protection. Wingnuts would be people monitoring everything we typed and threatening lawsuits for libel, unfounded rumors affecting stock prices, insider trading, etc.
Is this the Mike that’s posted on here a bunch? (though not so much lately) I thought his name was Mike Morgan. Not sure though.
Yes, that’s the guy.
Let me stress again that he is a Florida Realtor. One of the good ones.
Yes - I remember he was quite a sensible guy. I hope he succeeds against those Goldman scum.
Why are they even wasting their money on lawyers for this nonsense? All they’re doing is giving the guy more press anyway. I think Goldman Sucks is losing its mind, or else needs something else to think about besides the recent carnage.
It’s one of those mysteries in life like, why does Britney Spears still work and why is she so popular?
What is the difference between Wall Street bankers and Somali pirates, aside from (1) the bankers make lots more money, and (2) the bankers have government protection?
What’s good for GM, er GS, is good for America.
So it goes with too-big-to-fail corporations.
“We’re from the government and we’re here to help!”
Somali pirates wear much cooler clothes than CEOs.
But the quality of the bankers yachts is much nicer.
The USG kills Somali pirates.
As bad as it needed to happen, all this chest-thumping by the USG/Pentagon pukes for whacking these guys is distasteful to me.
Congratulations……..you shot three Somali teenagers coming off a khat high @75-80 yards……never mind that they had the chance to do the same thing a day before, when the hostage swam away from the boat.
I’m betting that the guys that have the least to say about it are the guys that pulled the triggers.
I dunno. Simulataneous three headshots on a moving boat?
That is some fine shooting even at close range.
Why would the kidnappers shoot the hostage? About two seconds later their lives are worth spit. Should have surrendered earlier.
I think those guys probably should feel good about whacking these leaches. Instead of doing something productive they chose to become pirates. Live off of the hard work of others. What if they had been allowed to steal away with this guy? Would it have been OK if they had sawed his head off like they did to guys in Iraq?
No. F that.
I’m having a toast for our trigger guys tonight.
Hey, “William Bainbridge” finally caught a pirate
Wall Street Bankers HAVE a Central Government (among other cool toys).
This is a long, but very informative and amusing article on the dynamics of Somali piracy.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/04/somali-pirates200904
Their different?? <:}
Somali pirates are honest about the fact they’re stealing from you.
The bankers don’t need weapons to steal, they use congress!
“You can steal more money with a briefcase than with a gun” - Al Capone
I believe that was Don Corleone actually.
“If [TARP Participant] Goldman Sachs continues to pay employees as much as it did in the first quarter, the average employee will receive more than $675,000 for 2009″
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/reuters/MTFH34697_2009-04-14_00-40-27_N13387020.htm
Pirates rob individuals but wall street bankers rob nations.
Didn’t the pirates get shot? Banks got $1 trillion plus if I recall correctly. Thanks Hank, BB, and TTT - you drive a hard bargain!
Undeterred Somali pirates hijack 4 more ships
By ELIZABETH A. KENNEDY, Associated Press Writers Elizabeth A. Kennedy, Associated Press Writers 28 mins ago
MOMBASA, Kenya – Undeterred by U.S. and French hostage rescues that killed five bandits, Somali pirates brazenly hijacked four more ships in the Gulf of Aden, the waterway at the center of the world’s fight against piracy.
Pirates have vowed to retaliate for deaths of their colleagues_ and the top U.S. military officer said Tuesday he takes those comments seriously. But Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told ABC’s “Good Morning America” that “we’re very well prepared to deal with anything like that.”
Still, despite Mullen’s confident statement and President Barack Obama’s warning Monday, pirates captured two more nautical trophies Tuesday to match the two ships they seized a day or two earlier.
NATO spokeswoman Shona Lowe said the MV Sea Horse, a Lebanese-owned cargo ship, was attacked and captured Tuesday by pirates in three or four speedboats. She had no further information.
That hijacking came only hours after the Greek-managed MV Irene E.M. was seized in a rare overnight attack by pirates.
In addition, Somali pirates also hijacked two Egyptian fishing boats in the Gulf of Aden off Somalia’s northern coast, which maritime officials said had a total of 36 crew. It was not exactly clear if those ships were hijacked Monday or Sunday.
It won’t be long before Fox News, Flush, and other liars call this the biggest threat to the nation, and accuse Obama of not protecting us enough. They will turn this into Carter’s Iran Hostage Crisis before they are done.
And when we deal with the pirates like we did a couple days ago, they will just move on to the next outrage. For example, did you hear that Obama lied about his dog being rescued from a shelter?
Pirates. Puppy Lies. Our biggest threats. Oh the outrage.
Bet on it.
I see a lot of support for the Somali Pirates in liberal U.S. blogs! Something you don’t see for Wall Street Bankers.
Yes, liberals have instituted the “adopt a pirate” program, where for only $5/month, you can sponsor your very own Somali pirate and get an updated picture of your pirate with his latest hostage and handwritten thank you note. [I made that up]
Meanwhile, conservatives have instituted the “adopt a pirate” program, where for $5/month sent to the PAC of your favorite neocon, and get an updated picture of your loved one scapegoating their favorite target (the poor, gays, environmentalists, etc.) and a handwritten thank you note. [actually true]
The pirates actually make a profit now and then.
The pirates also have reason to know fear.
The pirates are not too big to fail.
Thing I don’t get is, how do 3 or 4 pirate “ships” take over a large shipping vessel? Do they have that much firepower to threaten these ships?
Its my understanding that they have little defenses because they are not allowed to carry weapons into many ports. Gun trafficing and all.
Is that the stupidist thing you’ve ever heard of, or what? Multimillion dollar cargo ships sailing on the open oceans with nary a pellet gun to ward off thieves. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Not allowed to carry simple weapons to ward off pirates on the high seas. Is this the stupidist thing you’ve ever heard of, or what?
Sorry for the double post.
An Ocean going ship might only have a crew of 15 or so, most of the functions are pretty automated.
At least when a pirate takes your money, you know you won’t be getting it back.
“What is the difference between Wall Street bankers and Somali pirates, aside from (1) the bankers make lots more money, and (2) the bankers have government protection?”
The pirates are SHOWING A PROFIT.
Ok Cat, voz, and any other traders, a question:
Banks are going nuts again today. Have I/we actually missed something here, or will I eventually be rewarded for patience?? I don’t know what to think these days.
Thanks.
This comment was premarket, now they’re tanking. Was it just a teaser??
VVinston-Mania grips global financial system.
VVinston declares Victory over East-Asia banking crisis.
VVinston plants 666 mustard seeds in Victory Garden.
I-Winston_bot says: “You do not want to be short the banks throught this earnings cycle.”
“I-Winston_bot says: “You do not want to be short the banks throught this earnings cycle.”
____
“You know, I never feel comfortable on these sort of things. Victims? Don’t be melodramatic. Look down there. Tell me. Would you really feel any pity if one of those dots stopped moving forever? If I offered you twenty thousand pounds for every dot that stopped, would you really, old man, tell me to keep my money, or would you calculate how many dots you could afford to spare? Free of income tax, old man. Free of income tax - the only way you can save money nowadays.”
I try not to obsess about this.
I look at the banks this way:
1) no more mark-to-market = license to lie like a rug. If they will obfuscate and lie about this then they are not trustworthy on anything. I therefore ignore all pronouncements on bottoms, turning the corner, the worst is behind us. It very well could be, but I won’t let the financial people tell me so.
2) I ask myself if the financial system that handed us this mess has really changed. I can only say no since there has been only one real washout: Lehman. Everyone else has been bailed out in one form or another.
3) We are will trying to “prop up” the housing market. I mean the Gov’t is crying about not lending TARP money. It looks like actual lending standards are being imposed and so there will be few loans (sarcasm on) for $800K to school bus drivers who make $50k. Oh, the humanity!
Yes, I still believe very much in moral hazard. We have a “synthetic” oligarchy in this nation which has not yet been repudiated and won’t be until there is blood in the streets. Anger is increasing. We are in for more pain and suffering at the hands of the US Gov’t/Wall Street. We will have a long and interminable downturn that just never seems to get right, or a short period of ” Hurray! It’s over!” followed by a very bad inflation that we can’t seem to reduce. We have had no voice in this either. I thought I voted for change. Guess what? ROFLMAO! I sure did get change, now didn’t I? SOS from the Same Old People.
We need perp walks from WS/US Gov’t. ( Note: someone please respond with the unicorn phrase on this.)
No, you aren’t missing anything. We have not washed this all out yet.
… and no this is not Armageddon. It’s just a corrosive mess that will ultimately inhibit our human development. I still say that we will not be well thought of because we let half the human race live in filth, disease, and superstition. We can cure this by good, solid economic development and good, solid education.
Roidy
P.S. BTW, good show Ben and Co on the youtube vid. Is there more?
This sounds about right. The corruption and propping up of everyone will continue until currency collapse/runaway inflation hits. Then, the pain that follows will make what has happened so far look like fun and games.
“we let half the human race live in filth, disease, and superstition”
It’s more like 95%.
There is no inflation, haven’t you seen the official M3 numbers? Oh wait the FED no longer reports it to the public…
I haven’t found a good reason why M3 isn’t being shared with the public, are they being proactive to hide future inflation, or just hiding the current deflation?
Blano see my response about about Credit Cards…people will toss in the towel if they have to pay 4-8% more in interest…run it to max then just stop paying…..that will be the next trend.
I’ve forgotten. Who is Winston again?
Thank you.
“Winston Smith is a fictional character and the protagonist of George Orwell’s 1949 novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. The character was employed by Orwell as an everyman in the setting of the novel, a “central eye … [the reader] can readily identify with” [1].
Winston Smith works as a clerk in the Records Department of the Ministry of Truth, where his job is to rewrite historical documents so they match the constantly changing current party line. This involves revising newspaper articles and doctoring photographs — mostly to remove “unpersons,” people who have fallen foul of the party.
Because of his proximity to the mechanics of rewriting history, Winston Smith nurses doubts about the Party and its monopoly on truth.”
Milan Kundera also wrote about this type of photographic doctoring in the “Book of Laughter and Forgetting”.
MrBubble
The battle of man against power is the battle of memory against forgetting.
Yes. That was from one of those stupid humanities classes.
Oh, yeah, those stupid classes that everybody is supposed to stop taking? So they can be engineers or doctors or scientists or something useful and productive (ie: profitable) instead? Yeah, those are such a waste.
I heart your sarcasm.
MrBubble,
Thank you. I forgot about that Winston. I was thinking Winston Churchill
Orwell did choose the name from Winston Churchill, Smith is a very common surname hence why he chose it as the “everyman”.
I suppose the sequel “2084″ will have an character named “Obama Johnson”
FWIW, I made $300 over the last 2 days. BFD, but better than losing! Where is ______ when you need her?
Manhattan Apartment Rents Fall as Unemployment Rises (Update2)
By Oshrat Carmiel
April 13 (Bloomberg) — Manhattan apartment rents fell as much as 5.9 percent in March from a year earlier as a record jump in unemployment damped demand, Citi-Habitats Inc. said.
Average rents declined for apartments of all sizes and the vacancy rate topped 2 percent for the fifth straight month, the New York-based property broker said today in an e-mailed statement.
Demand slumped after New York City’s unemployment rate climbed to 8.1 percent in February, the highest level since October 2003 and the biggest month-to-month increase on record. City Comptroller William Thompson predicted in March that New York City would lose 250,000 jobs before the recession ends.
“There are people who are unemployed, and people not willing to spend the type of money they were willing to spend before and they need to make tough decisions,” said Gary Malin, president of Citi-Habitats.
Liar! Everyone wants to move to NYC.
Desire to live in Manhattan may be infinite but the means to do so are decidedly not.
- FPSS
Nope. Not infinite. I never wanted to live there, and never will live there, and I can assure you there are many other Americans (many who only set foot in Manhattan when and if utterly necessary) who agree with me.
Amen!!! But I probably should at least go take a look someday.
Don’t be hating!!!
Of course, silly Bear, that’s because we know everyone actually wants to live in San Diego, especially all the cool rich people.
I don’t hate NYC or Manhattan — just don’t have any desire to live there.
But I understand how the “I wuv NY” crowd might confuse a lack of desire with hatred.
I do love NYC, but it is definitely not the center of the universe. A city that size and that expensive should have the best of everything but surprisingly doesn’t. If it weren’t for the variety of activities offered by its cultural diversity and small entrepreneurs, most people who could afford to leave probably would.
San Diego could kick Manhattan’s gluteus with one hand tied behind its back. Hmph.
NYC has a cool vigilante spirit that is lacking in many parts of the country. Bernard Goetz and the guys on the LIRR who took down Colin Ferguson.
Incomplete sentence above - sorry. Meant to say those two come to mind. Interrupted by pint-sized people and their computer problems.
most residents of San Diego are from other cities, I have only met 2 native San Diegans here in 10+ years.
I spent quite a bit of time in NYC when I was living in NJ, I can tell you after moving to San Diego I really have no desire to ever go back… last time I went back I saw 42nd street turned into a Disney theme park and I couldn’t for the life of me get a bum to wash my windshield with a stolen squeege, pfffft, I guess Dinkins really did clean it up.
In the early 1600s, the American Indians sold an island, now called Manhattan in New York, for various beads and trinkets worth about $16. Since Manhattan real estate is now some of the most expensive in the world, it would seem at first glance that the American Indians made a terrible deal. Had the American Indians, however, sold their beads and trinkets, invested their $16 and received 8% compounded annual interest, not only would they have enough money to buy back all of Manhattan, they would still have several hundred million dollars left over. That is the power of compound interest over time.
http://tinyurl.com/preview.php?num=29txwx
Plenty of people had plenty of money and “invested” it. Not one managed a 8% return over such a stretch.
That’s because economies don’t follow an exponential curve. They have a sorta inverted-S-shaped curve. When the downturn occurs, both the borrowers and the lenders get wiped out!
And after a while, most of the people who accumulated that much “wealth” are basically lenders. That includes Berkshire Hathaway.
Infinity less one. Never wanted to live in the ant hill myself. Fun to see once in a while though.
A pair of pheasants walked up my driveway this morning. That suits me better.
A family of wild turkeys live in my neighbourhood, and I live in a city.
I have a female cardinal that’s been pecking incessantly at my front door’s brass kickplate for weeks now. Does that count?
Al, you wouldent happen to live in morro bay? I saw a family of wild turkeys walking through the neighborhoods a few months ago.
“A pair of pheasants walked up my driveway this morning.”
Alex, what is dinner?
This is where I go for a walk or a run most days. All types of wild can be viewed here.
http://nysparks.state.ny.us/parks/info.asp?parkID=23
Can you folks beat this?
“dinner?”
It would be prudent to let them nest now, and eat them later.
takingbets,
Ottawa Ontario, so not the same birds to be sure. I’ve seen them around since last summer; a mom and 3 chicks (started as 4, someone/something at well.) They seemed to patrol a 10-12 block radius eating stuff. If I can catch one of the birds from here, could you catch one from Morro Bay? A breeding pair of urbanized turkeys could make some decent $$$.
“Alex, what is dinner?” tastier that squirrls anyway.
“Can you folks beat this?”
This is where I paddle:
http://www.plainsmen.com/artists/charles_rowe/weekiewacheemed.jpg
Going Friday. I can’t freaking wait.
Heck I have a brace of Wild Turkeys in my liquor cabinet.
I’ve seen NYC and I’d never want to live there. Big cities annoy me.
I saw and heard a couple flocks of Canadian Geese fly by my window. Watched two squirrels running down their cable highway. It’s a beautiful cool windy day.
Muggy,
What a beautiful place. That is just gorgeous.
“Wild Turkeys in my liquor cabinet”
Famous Grouse in mine.
“This is where I paddle:
(weekie watchie pic)
Going Friday. I can’t freaking wait.”
Sweet! That’s in the Crystal River area of Florida right? We went snorkeling/scuba around there one time - it’s a neat area. I remember something to the effect of seven sisters springs or something like that - really neat stuff.
I used to canoe down the Peace river not too far a way all the time - not nearly as clear but still very scenic.
Goose in mine….
Here’s where I paddle….Stanley Lake.
http://picturesofcascade.com/large7/Stanley_9280L.jpg
This is where I paddle:
My lake beats your river any day. How do you protect yourself while paddling in that mosquito heaven down there?
Muggy are you from Rochester which btw is consider a suburb of Syracuse, NY
We had a bird feeder, where a male and female cardinal showed up about four times a day, like clockwork.
The routine was for the male to fly to the feeder, while the female sat in a tree, until he was sure the coast was clear.
One day, the male showed up alone…….I said to him, “Hey little buddy, where’s the ball and chain?”
The ex- was not amused.
“Rochester which btw is consider a suburb of Syracuse, NY”
Someone call 911, SUGuy’s having a stroke! Lol..
Don’t worry, I get around upstate, too.
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/muggyFL/Carp.jpg
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/muggyFL/WatkinsGlen.jpg
Here’s my own from Weeki Wachee
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/muggyFL/Weeki.jpg
I worked my summers in Manhattan when I was in college and the only things I miss about NYC are the Museums and Broadway shows.
pair of pheasants walked up my driveway this morning ??
Where ??
this is like deja vu all over again
You have a good memory!
Stanley Lake.
Brrrrrrrr.
PB:
I can attest to that. My phone has literally stopped ringing. I had 3 HS reunions cancel already for this year, Ticket prices are up to $99 a person.
I usually do a couple of reunions a year from my old HS…Last years 20 yr reunion had 210 people this year’s 20th all they got was 73 RSVP and had to cancel and will combine classes next year.
New York Area Home Prices to Fall 15%, Rosen Says (Update1)
By Dan Levy
April 14 (Bloomberg) — Home prices in the New York City metropolitan area will fall as much as 15 percent as Wall Street firms cut jobs and slash bonuses, according to Kenneth Rosen, an economist at the University of California, Berkeley.
Luxury vacation markets such as the Hamptons on the east end of Long Island, New York; Lake Tahoe in California; and Aspen, Colorado will also suffer as the recession deepens, said Rosen, chairman of the Fisher Center for Real Estate and Urban Economics. Prices may fall 20 percent in those areas.
“These declines are happening but aren’t showing up in the data yet,” Rosen said in an interview. “Any place hit by the financial crisis will have substantial declines.”
04.13.2009 4:09 pm
Missouri joblessness jumped almost half a percentage point in March
By Steve Giegerich
St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Led by the loss of an estimated 7,000 jobs in St. Louis, Missouri’s unemployment rate rose to 8.7 percent in March. February’s jobless rate, seasonally adjusted, was 8.3 percent.
The state Department of Economic Development estimates that 261,000 Missourians were out of work last month.
…
Missouri began the year with an unemployment rate of 8.1 percent.
More Americans wary of tax man this year…
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - As a deep recession strips Americans of their jobs, homes and investments, the 2009 U.S. tax season promises to see a large uptick in first-time delinquent income taxpayers.
“Our calls are up 280 percent,” said Richard Boggs, founder and chief executive of Los Angeles-based Nationwide Tax Relief, a firm that helps delinquent taxpayers resolve tax issues.
“We’ve seen a huge rise in what we call the rookie delinquent taxpayer,” he said. “They are incredibly scared, and they have no idea what’s going to happen to them because, God bless them, they’ve never owed before.”
As the weak economy puts job security and a steady flow of income on a slippery slope, many are wary of the U.S. tax man, tax consultants say.
With household balance sheets under pressure, more U.S. households are having trouble keeping up with their day-to-day bills and struggling to pay their taxes.
“Folks are not paying their taxes because they are spending it on necessary living expenses,” said Kristin Lavieri, an accountant with Weinstein & Anastasio, PC in Hamden, Connecticut.
She added that more of the self-employed, who are required to pay taxes each quarter, are likely to end up with back taxes. “When there is not enough money for general operating expenses, there most definitely isn’t going to be enough for quarterly estimates,” Lavieri said.
Among those not self-employed, many also have to make tough decisions that could carry long-term financial consequences.
Many withdrew funds from 401k and IRA retirement savings accounts before the permitted time, unaware of the punitive taxes and penalties this would generate, said Larry Walker Jr, president of the financial and tax services firm 4-Serenity Inc in Snellville, Georgia.
Withdrawals from a retirement account before reaching the age of 59.5 are considered taxable income and generally incur an additional tax of 10 percent of the amount.
Other taxpayers did not have enough tax withheld from paychecks. As a result, they now owe taxes or will not receive the amount of refund they usually do, Walker said.
“Withdrawals from a retirement account before reaching the age of 59.5 are considered taxable income”
Genius!
I believe they are taxable income after age 59.5 also. (excluding Roth)
The difference is that before age 59, you also have to pay a 10% penalty.
my point exactly.
I have had many a friend take their 401k in a check when they changed jobs.
After taxes & penalty, I think they ended up with 1/2.
Of course, they immediately spent it.
Our accountant said she swears the IRS lost half its database this year. We’ve gotten two “statements” claiming we owe additional money, but a cross check to supporting documents would have shown that we don’t. She has had several instances of small business clients who sent in their quarterly payroll taxes but who are now getting letters from the IRS saying they didn’t. My accountant has put in a lot of unpaid overtime trying to get these issues resolved for her clients.
While that experience doesn’t directly speak to the main point of WMBZ’s article, I’ve had firsthand experience and things seem unusually messed up this year. So I can’t blame these folks for being wary or fearful.
Funny how all of the IRS’s “mistakes” end up with them wanting more money?
Gotta fund TARP somehow!
Well, you don’t hear about the opposite case, naturally.
I saw somewhere that there were over 300 changes to the tax laws in the recent flurry of financio-social engineering.
Kim:
Our tax forms are always kicked out for more IRS scrutiny, though they never asked us to make an appointment to discuss. We send the forms to Utah and hold our breath. So I was interested in your post.
Which bring up something I was thinking about today: Where is the tax incentive/relief to aid encourage commercial building investment? Gobs of programs on the housing side. Near zero for commercial buildings, other than standard fare of depreciation, enterprise zone lures and so forth. It’s not an abstraction or a special handout: businesses create jobs (and no, I don’t recall clapping for Ronald Reagan for much of anything).
I digress.
After doing my taxes the TaxAct software told me “due to new tax tables signed into law by President Obama, you get an additional refund of…… $3″
Wow, that really makes up for CA’s hike of sales tax, water shortage penalties, parking fees of close to $10….
… I could go on and on about all these new fees and taxes… cigs went up $1 a pack, I suspect all moving violations went up, heck a no front plate ticket used to be a $10 fix it ticket, now I think its $25, no wonder there are so many Tax Tea Parties I’m working for the IRS!
“Many withdrew funds from 401k and IRA retirement savings…”
Oh the humanity, the peeps are selling low!
Greatest. Wealth. Transfer. Ever.
Imagine the “recovery” that would need to occur to meet the expectations that many have for their lifestyle and retirement.
With so much damage being done to household balance sheets it would require a run up that would dwarf 1981-2007 to occur in a comparatively shorter timeframe.
I have the utmost confidence in our Candy Crappin’ UnicornTM.
Where is your HopeTM
in ChangeTM?
Yes, but the rich are losing tons of money, too!
http://preview.tinyurl.com/c4q3l3
Article from MarketWatch.com
HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — China’s property market will likely fall by 40% to 50% in value during the next two years, as transaction activity subsides and as the export sector continues to slump, according a senior Chinese economist quoted in a report Tuesday.
Cao Jianhai, a professor at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, told the Financial Times newspaper that the current rebound in the property market was unsustainable and driven by a flood of liquidity and fraudulent activity rather than real demand.
Cao was quoted in the report as saying average housing prices are now 10 to 12 times the average income. As a result, about 60% of a homebuyer’s monthly income must to go to mortgage repayments, Cao said.
“…average housing prices are now 10 to 12 times the average income. As a result, about 60% of a homebuyer’s monthly income must to go to mortgage repayments,…”
It seems the global banking pirates operate across international boundaries without government interference.
It seems the global banking pirates operate across international boundaries without government interference.
Yes, and they get tax breaks to cover their losses, and tax breaks to cover their profits because they “create jobs”. It’s very tough work.
If the companies are refusing to pay their workers, it would stymie their efforts to make those house payments.
Chinese workers protest again over unpaid wages
More than 400 employees at the state-owned Jindi Industry Group Co. in the suburban district of Fuling in Chongqing city took to the streets for the second day, complaining they have not been paid for nearly three months, said an employee at the company, who would give only his surname, Wang.
The workers blocked a main road and disrupted traffic in front of the company offices in hopes of attracting government attention and getting back pay of $56 per month, the official Xinhua News Agency reported.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Chinese-workers-protest-again-apf-14919249.html
sounds like he got wanged!
Wang is it? That narrows it down to about 300 million individuals.
That’s like someone in Topeka using Smith or Jones to remain anonimous.
Who in their right mind works for months without pay? That’s just stupid.
I’ve had jobs where I didn’t receive a paycheck and I was all over them like a really bad nightmare.
I’ve never missed two paychecks and I would quit on the spot and NOT go back to work for the company that ever did this to me.
Eco, I have never been there, but I imagine the deal is somewhat different in China, where the local party apparatchik may assign you a job. I would imagine there are fewer options to walk away from work assigned by Uncle Whoever. Perhaps actually walking away is held against you when trying to get the next assignment.
Congrats, graduate - good luck finding a job
Justin Gillett, (San Francisco) Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, April 14, 2009
…
A recent poll by the National Association of Colleges and Employers found that 22 percent of college recruiters do not plan to hire any fresh graduates this spring, and 43.6 percent said they’ll hire fewer graduates than they did last spring. About 174 businesses responded to the survey, including employers such as Santa Clara technology company Applied Materials Inc., Macy’s department store and brokerage firm Edward Jones.
“The current expectations for college hiring are not promising for the class of 2009, and the prospects for the class of 2010 point in the same direction,” the report said. “The economic recession that has gripped most of the world for the past year is now thoroughly reflected in college hiring expectations.”
Bah. Heard the same headlines when I got out of school in the 90s. I found a job in my field in a couple of weeks.
We are trying to hire engineers and its difficult to find people with experience. Lost desirable people to other employers.
Besides, kids need a few weeks to breathe after they get out of the play pressure cooker and into the real one.
Probably talking about a lot of people that majored in bull Sh** like history, english… arts and humanities people are always on the edge of employment.
Probably talking about a lot of people that majored in bull Sh** like history, english… arts and humanities people are always on the edge of employment.
You’re right, we clearly don’t need to convey knowledge in any of those subjects, as your mastery of basic concepts such as proper capitalization amply illustrates.
Yes - let me quickly let my daughter know she is totally wasting her time in college. One program with one degree in liberal arts. I should tell my other daughter and SIL that they also wasted their time getting degrees in history and poly sci.
Let me know how that conversation turns out.
In all seriousness, you should do that.
Zing!
More like Zorro has left his mark Z
I think degrees in history and poly sci should be quite rare.
While their is certainly a place for people in those fields, say mc donalds, the numbers actually required are pretty low.
Hence, Mr Market is saying you are wasting resources on education in humanities/liberal arts (not including hard science majors here).
Enjoy.
Given that 90%+ of all the “hard science” jobs where I work have been offshored I wouldn’t recommend majoring in hard sciences either. Some days it seems like almost everyone at our happy corporate campus is either in:
Management
Marketing
Sales
Supply chain
Accounting or Finance
But you can tell where the labbies used to work. All of the buildings are chock full of empty cubicles, and many of the aisles still have the defunct R&D group names still on them.
Mama, don’t raise your babies to be engineers…
My husband is one of those “humanities” types. He works his ass off teaching high school kids how to real critically and how to write. You should really think about what you’re saying, James.
‘ “The current expectations for college hiring are not promising for the class of 2009, and the prospects for the class of 2010 point in the same direction,” the report said.’
“Hello darkness, my old friend…”
I hear plastic is the way to go.
Banking industry pirates have a friend in Bloomberg.
Much Vilified, Financial Titans Find a Friend in Bloomberg
By DAVID W. CHEN
Published: April 13, 2009
Gov. Jon S. Corzine is suing Lehman Brothers, saying the firm shortchanged New Jersey’s pension funds. Most members of New York’s Congressional delegation pushed for a 90 percent tax on American International Group bonuses. Politicians in Albany and beyond have pushed through income tax increases on the wealthy.
On “Meet the Press” in March, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California, left, criticized bonuses at American International Group; Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg was more circumspect.
Declaring that “we love the rich people,” Mr. Bloomberg has opposed capping executive pay, increasing the capital gains tax or raising income taxes on the wealthy. He has gushed about Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner, saying he “walks on water,” and praised Henry M. Paulson Jr.’s Goldman Sachs résumé.
Mr. Bloomberg, a billionaire many times over, has also vouched for vilified Wall Street titans like Richard S. Fuld Jr., the former chief executive of Lehman Brothers.
“There’s Lehman Brothers, who I feel very sorry for,” he said during a news conference. “Dick Fuld, I’ve known for 40 years, who’s a competent guy, and people are criticizing him. They didn’t criticize him when things were going well for an awful lot of years.”
Mr. Bloomberg has emerged as perhaps the foremost defender of the financial industry in the political world, while other elected leaders seize on the populist anger over the economy and executive compensation.
To the financial community, Mr. Bloomberg’s support is refreshing, and his refusal to hop on an antibusiness bandwagon underscores his understanding of economic realities.
But to others, Mr. Bloomberg’s position suggests he is too cozy with his business-class brethren. He also runs the risk of seeming oblivious to the hurts and wants of the typical New Yorker.
“When the economy is bad, people are angry, and they look to politicians to mirror that anger, and it creates a problem for Bloomberg because he cannot be an ‘I feel your pain’ candidate,” said Kenneth Sherrill, a political science professor at Hunter College. “I think he’s gentler on people in the private sector on whom, in his view, the city is dependent. He just holds his tongue.”
That just brings a tear to eye…a crocodile tear.
Florida and tax evasion…
“In another cited case, a Florida yacht company accountant — Steven Michael Rubinstein, 55, of Boca Raton — last week became the first U.S. citizen charged with filing a false tax return in a federal investigation into wealthy citizens who hid assets from tax collectors in the Swiss bank UBS.
That’s just the latest UBS event in Florida’s courts. In January, authorities here charged Raoul Weil — a senior executive with UBS — with conspiring to hide $20 billion in assets from the IRS using secret overseas accounts for thousands of customers.”
http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/personalfinance/article991946.ece
California Home Sales Tank Filling but the Trend Still Leaks
April 13, 2009
* Analysis by: Jack Kern
* Analysis of: Signs of life in California real estate
* Published at: money dot cnn dot com
Implications
Oh those clowns at CNNMoney.com are at it again… California has become the poster child for housing excess, with foreclosures leading the nation and entire neighborhoods comprised of empty tract homes. Recently the California Association of Realtors announced that the median home price has fallen to $247,590, a 41% decline from a year ago. Not surprisingly the vulture investors are picking over the carcass’ of the far flung suburbs looking for deals, and beyond surprise home sales jumped by over 600,000 homes. CNNMoney promptly jumped to the assertion that the CA housing bust may be over. I do believe one of these days they’ll get it right, but not this time.
Analysis
OK, so here’s the real story.
California had delivered a number of units that were purchased by speculators and during the time horizon of 2005 to 2007, vast numbers of homes were acquired, flipped and resold until the party ended by the early part of 2008. The units that went first into foreclosure and then to REO were almost always empty units and with the collapse of housing markets assuring that a ready supply of homes existed, it was only a matter of time, well reported by every other responsible news organization that prices would decline and speculators and first time purchasers would move in. That’s what is happening now. But once these cheap, speculator units are absorbed, and it will happen quickly, the real issue represented by the higher priced homes in more stable neighborhoods will once again illustrate the depth of the problem and California’s housing and foreclosure crisis will then remain in the news for quite a while longer.
The reality of home sales volumes being driven by new purchasers with real down payments and qualifying incomes leaves the California market in the same position as the rest of the nation, and neither speculator volume or CNNMoney will ever change that.
The reality of home sales volumes being driven by new purchasers with real down payments and qualifying incomes leaves the California market in the same position as the rest of the nation, and neither speculator volume or CNNMoney will ever change that.
My favorite is the cartoon caption: “What is this Qualify you speak of?” Slowing the velocity of money (sales) never re-ignites a boom. Not to mention the foreclosure prevention programs haven’t allowed the proper clearing of the inventory.
Its spring. People get excited about housing every spring. Wait until October through February… the NAR/CAR is going to look like idiots.
Got Popcorn?
Neil
I’m waiting for Oct (again! third year now,,,) Neil,
but DC/NoVa isn’t tanking fast enough.
Nope, here in Maryland/NoVa/DC, it is “different” in that based upon what I’ve seen, there is no shortage of people willing to go deeply in debt to buy houses that are in poor condition and needs lots of work. Plenty of junk on the market here selling for way more than it is worth even if it was in good condition, but most of the semi-affordable places are not in good shape at all.
But since money grows on trees in this region (from what I’ve been told), I don’t expect it to stop anytime soon. It’ll be more of a flat-line, rolling Bubble as houses swap hands between people who can’t really afford them for more than a few years.
Well… They better find some way to pay their taxes or there will be serious consequences:
1) No more bailouts for large multi-national corportations
2) Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank will not get paid and might quit
3) Wall St bonus size will diminish and banks could lose talent
4) Gas-guzzling, poorly made, ugly cars won’t be available
5) Hedge Fund managers will work at McDonalds and screw up your order in the drive-thru
Since Goldman Sachs is in a repaying mood, is there any chance they might agree to repay their AIG jackpot winnings, in addition to the TARP funds?
Ha ha - that was the first thing that crossed my mind when they announced their plans to repay. Somehow I think they’ll leave that one out.
If you take away the money they took from AIG would GS still have shown a profit? I highly doubt it.
That was the first thought that crossed my mind when they announced their gonzo profit.
If you just took away the mark to fantasy they wouldn’t have shown a profit. I think if you took away the AIG and TARP they would be making their rent payment.
+1
Maybe Goldman can just slide a few dollars over to Wells Fargo!
Wells Fargo May Need $50 Billion in Capital, KBW Says (Update1)
By Ari Levy
April 13 (Bloomberg) — Wells Fargo & Co., the second- biggest U.S. home lender, may need $50 billion to pay back the federal government and cover loan losses as the economic slump deepens, according to KBW Inc.’s Frederick Cannon.
KBW expects $120 billion of “stress” losses at Wells Fargo, assuming the recession continues through the first quarter of 2010 and unemployment reaches 12 percent, Cannon wrote today in a report. The San Francisco-based bank may need to raise $25 billion on top of the $25 billion it owes the U.S. Treasury for the industry bailout plan, he wrote.
Isn’t this just a back door way of saying some huge losses are around the corner??
If you’re making money, why would you need more bailout money??
Didnt Well just say they are going to post a profit?
Why yes, they just announced record profits.
* APRIL 13, 2009, 1:31 P.M. ET
Big Banks Rally As Wells Fargo Bolsters 1Q Expectations
NEW YORK (Dow Jones)–Shares of big banks Citigroup Inc. (C) and Bank of America Corp. (BAC) rallied Monday as JPMorgan said first-quarter results of some larger banks will likely reflect “solid revenues led by mortgage banking and capital markets.”
Large banks also continued to gain following Wells Fargo & Co.’s (WFC) announcement last week that it would post better-than-expected first-quarter results.
“The flood gates of optimism have been opened and investors are just trying to get in ahead of the earnings announcements for the other banks,” Motley Fool senior analyst James Early told Dow Jones …
Note the solid “revenues” as opposed to “profits.”
“James Early”
That’s funny.
So how in blazes did WF show a big “profit” for the first quarter? They oughta write a recipe for cooking the books.
They got the recipe from congress via the beaten down accounting rules.
Simple: They lied.
If you ignore the losses, they had a profit.
And, if you ignore the housing Bubble, there was no Bubble, so buy, Buy, BUY!!!
Once we factor in Mark to Delusions “accounting” and endless TARP funds, everyone can show a profit all the time and still need more money… and yet it all makes complete sense and the sheeple/program traders just keep on buying in this Brave New Market.
Is there any possibility the Treasury Dept could require Goldman to hand back their AIG jackpot winnings along with repayment of the TARP funds?
UPDATE 1-Treasury wary of Goldman repayment plan - source
Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:28am EDT
* Treasury fears TARP repayment may hurt recovery-source
* Goldman plan may pressure other banks to do same
* Goldman seen as test case for regulators (Adds Abernathy comment, TARP background, Treasury no comment)
By Karey Wutkowski
WASHINGTON, April 14 (Reuters) - The U.S. Treasury Department views Goldman Sachs Group Inc’s (GS.N) plan to repay government bailout funds as a sign of strength but is concerned that it could further stigmatize weaker banks dependent on government money, according to a source familiar with the Obama administration’s thinking.
The source said Treasury is concerned that Goldman’s plan to return $10 billion in taxpayer money “will harm the recovery effort.”
Goldman Sachs said on Tuesday it has a “duty” to repay the government money it was given in October. The company sold $5 billion of common stock at $123 a share, and plans to use the proceeds and other resources to repay the taxpayer money received under the Treasury Department’s Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP).
“other resources”
I’m thinking these “other resources” have provenance of AIG.
Bad news… according to the NY Times, GS EXCLUDED December in its report.
When you include Dec, they lost roughly $1 BILLION.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2009031937_aplaidofflawyers.html
even lawyers are not immune to unemployment which means potentially their homes too.
LAWYERS IN LOVE
I can’t keep up with what’s been going down
I think my heart must just be slowing down
Among the human beings in their designer jeans
Am I the only one who hears the screams
And the strangled cries of lawyers in love
God sends his spaceships to America, the beautiful
They land at six o’clock and there we are, the dutiful
Eating from TV trays, tuned in to Happy Days
Waiting for World War III while Jesus slaves
To the mating calls of lawyers in love
Last night I watched the news from Washington, the capitol
The Russians escaped while we weren’t watching them, like Russians will
Now we’ve got all this room, we’ve even got the moon
And I hear the U.S.S.R. will be open soon
As vacation land for lawyers in love
-Jackson Browne
Wow! I miss that song.
Will you play, “Lawyers, Guns and Money” next?
Thanks.
Just for you eco:
I went home with the waitress
The way I always do
How was I to know
She was with the
Russians, too?
I was gambling in Havana
I took a little risk
Send lawyers, guns and money
Dad, get me out of this, hyeah
I’m the innocent bystander
Somehow I got stuck
Between the rock
and a hard place
And I’m down on my luck
Yes I’m down on my luck
Well I’m down on my luck
I’m hiding in Honduras
I’m a desperate man
Send lawyers, guns and money
The shit has hit the fan
All right
Send lawyers, guns and money
Huh!
Uh…
Send lawyers, guns and money
Uhh!
Send lawyers, guns and money
Hyah!
Send lawyers, guns and money
Ooh!
Yeah!
Yeah
Yeah…
Uh!
-Warren Zevon
Bernanke sees ‘tentative signs’ of improvement
Bernanke: ‘tentative signs’ recession may be easing; recovery hinges on financial stability… Jeannine Aversa, AP Economics Writer
Tuesday April 14, 2009, 9:28 am EDT
WASHINGTON (AP) — Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said Tuesday there’s been “tentative signs” that the recession may be easing. But he also warned that any hope for a lasting recovery hinges on the government’s success in stabilizing shaky financial markets and getting credit to flow more freely again.
Specifically, the Fed chief mentioned improvements in recent data on home and auto sales, home building and consumer spending as flickering signs of encouragement.
“Recently we have seen tentative signs that the sharp decline in economic activity may be slowing,” Bernanke said in remarks prepared for students and faculty at Morehouse College in Atlanta.
“A leveling out of economic activity is the first step toward recovery. To be sure, we will not have a sustainable recovery without a stabilization of our financial system and credit markets,” he said.
But the Fed is “making progress on that front as well,” Bernanke said, and will keep working to ease financial and credit stresses so those markets operate normally.
To revive the economy, the Fed has cut a key bank lending rate to a record low of near zero and has rolled out a number of radical programs to spur lending to Americans, a key ingredient to turning around the economy.
On that front, the Fed recently plowed $1.2 trillion into the economy in an attempt to reduce interest rates for mortgages and other loans.
Wasent the consumer spending report he is refering to just a blip? The March report showed an unexpected decline today. LOL!
“…radical programs to spur lending to Americans…”
C’mon Benny! Many are burning the furniture and some can’t even pay their taxes. These guys would bring sand to the beach.
What about a radical program to spur savings by Americans so that in a few years or a decade or so, they will be able to buy big ticket items without needed credit?
But how will the bankers make a profit?
The green shoots these guys see could be algae blooming in the swimming pools of California foreclosure homes.
“Specifically, the Fed chief mentioned improvements in recent data on home and auto sales, home building and consumer spending as flickering signs of encouragement.”
So our nation’s leading economic indicators are now home and auto sales? US leadership should be focusing on progress of directing funds and incentives to markets the US can globally compete longterm and rebuild our bases of internal/external output and production to support a sustainable economy. But all we can do is talk about houses. Notice how nobody talks about manufacturing or even producers index anymore?
Last night on Leno, distinguished Senator John McCain said (paraphrasing), “The US Economy will not stop declining until we get housing stabilized. Housing started all of this and housing will end it”.
Unbelievable.
So our nation’s leading economic indicators are now home and auto sales? US leadership should be focusing on progress of directing funds and incentives to markets the US can globally compete longterm and rebuild our bases of internal/external output and production to support a sustainable economy. But all we can do is talk about houses. Notice how nobody talks about manufacturing or even producers index anymore?
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Well said, Don’t Know. It’s very frustrating to hear these idiots speak. What’s even worse is that their audience (MSM, voters, public figures) doesn’t question their logic.
So I’m a little freaked out. I’ve been reading many things here about the bubble starting in the mid-90s. What freaks me out is that I was in high school then, meaning most of my adult employment was bubble-related.
I worked on ads for a lot of financials in early 00’s. Does that mean if PRU goes bust, and gets bailed out, that I essentially received TARP timewarp money in 2002?
I know where I stand with education; it’s likely that both my wife and I will be jobless, which may propel me back into the music business. How weird is that?
So I’m a little freaked out. I’ve been reading many things here about the bubble starting in the mid-90s. What freaks me out is that I was in high school then, meaning most of my adult employment was bubble-related.
Well, it depends how far you want to extrapolate.
Hyperconsumption in the industrialized world has been an issue far longer than your work life stretches back — same with other issues such as wage stagnation and the loosening of consumer credit. On that basis, one could argue that most jobs in our system are bubble-related somehow, whether one is an engineer, realtor, professor, architect, ad man, CEO, mushroom farmer, or small-business owner. It’s not just the lifestyle coaches and dog spiritualists and mortgage brokers who built careers on the foundation of free flowin’ money and easy credit, in other words.
So I’m a little freaked out. I’ve been reading many things here about the bubble starting in the mid-90s. What freaks me out is that I was in high school then, meaning most of my adult employment was bubble-related.
Yeah, it’s interesting to think that my adult life has seen both a.) stagnant/declining wages and purchasing power and b.) the biggest run-up of real estate prices in history.
ET and Bub, both well stated — that’s why I’m freakin’!
What I’m suggesting, I think, is that at some point it becomes an existentialist dilemma — we are all bubblers in some degree. If you obsess over it, it’ll drive you crazy. But you have to do something, right?
You gotta pick something you like, which hopefully provides a decent wage and some societal utility, and roll the dice.
we’re just getting started, lower standard of living for the rest of your life is in the cards. The lifestyle the boomer’s enjoyed isn’t coming back.
Well, lets see…1.5″ of snow fell on our tent on Friday & Saturday in the Mid-Hills campground in the Mojave desert…spectacular! Mr. Cole & I caught the 4th longest trout in the fishing derby. Saw a red-tail hawk trying to gain altitude with a snake in its claws, but was unable to and settled for the side of a small hill (big snake). Saw x2 roadrunners… Mr Cole had a “conversation” with an owl for 45 minutes..got a piece of old “Route 66″ from the Goffs school museum.
Oh yeah, Needles CA…still looks exactly the same as 25 years ago…1-2 room crap houses & 115 degree heat in the summer Their grocery store has improved & they have a new $ Dollar store.
Barstow has promise 10 million people in Southern Calif with x2 automobiles & Interstate 15 to “lost Wages” NV…and no train route competition…(gas wast apprx $2.39). Along with the China Lake Naval station to the north, The Marines & Army to the south…BNSF & Union Pacific in the center of town… they ought to “ride out” the “Global” retraction just fine.
Encountered the “usual suspects” camping: $175,000 RV pulling a Honda car…x2 college kids who forgot to bring the propane canisters…but mostly young folks just checking out that part of the great American environment & 50+ year olds who had some money, some time, & a wee bit of curiosity still left in their aging bones.
I see our world is still counting on the constancy of 8 minutes travel time of tossed solar radiation…what fools we all are. Now, about that drought that is going to cause Californian’s to become totally dependent upon Gatorade & sell their ski’s & snow boards on eBay…well, perhaps it ain’t necessarily so…
We’re now coming out of a drought here that lasted at least the last five years according to news articles. Lakes are up to normal levels and the wild dogwood trees that are now in bloom have never looked so good in the four years we’ve been here. Especially on a dark, overcast day.
Cali’s drought will eventually end also.
Cali’s drought will eventually end also.
No it won’t. Too many thirsty cities and farmers jockeying for too little water from one primary source (CO river), as well as too many antiquated water rights contracts. According to climatologists, we are coming off of a relatively wet period that saw above normal rainfall for decades, and now heading back to water levels more typical for the region to even overly dry, but never before stretched to slake the thirst of 20-30 million people in 8 states.
We need to eliminate the “wasting” of our water resource particularly whats considered Ag..
Hmmm…
I’d rather see California limit the number of people who can move here from other states and countries.
We can dream, can’t we?
Er, Bill, don’t think so.
“It is the proper destiny of every considerable stream in the West to become an irrigation ditch.” Mary Austin, “The Land of Little Rain.”
Thanks Ben and all y’all. Relocated the family to Tx from CA after starting on this blog.
Believe it when you hear CA still has craziness. Mom passed late last year. Mom was a neat freak and the siblings and I finished some projects she had going around the house so it showed well. Used a real estate agent referred to us (with a negotiated commission) who worked with us on price. College town, good location, cash offer at 95% of list in 5 days with settlement costs split & as obvious, no seller giveback which the agent said seems to be standard in the area to get to loan closings now. Didn’t bother to counter on price. Closed last week.
BTW, I’m a native Texan, and encourage all y’all to stay where you are now and quit crowding us up down here.
Remember to tip the bartender!
BTW, I’m a native Texan, and encourage all y’all to stay where you are now and quit crowding us up down here.
Is this a stunning counter-theory to Mr. Pussycat’s assertion that the desire to live in Manhattan is infinite?
Read it again, jenius (sic): I said “might” be infinite.
That’s a hypothetical conditional.
Go back to Reading Comprehension. Do not pass GO and do not collect $200.
Hypothetical?
Conditional?
Your fellow New Yawkers prob’ly have a few four-letter zingers to describe such heretical waffle words.
No, it’s a simple enough construct:
While your SO claimed to dump you because your your wee-wang was miniscule, it is not true.
The claim is A. Supposedly, A led to B.
The claim is that B is true independent of whether A is true or not.
In the above example:
A = desire to live in Manhattan (supposedly “infinite”)
B = means to do so (= not)
B is the only thing that matters. A is irrelevant hence we don’t need to quibble about its truth status.
Ah, but I was never quibbling about logical seaworthiness, just poking fun at locales whose citizens think they’re different.
Well, clearly if you think that about me, you haven’t been reading the stuff I write closely enough.
Or you’re one of the “bluepill” people.
No, no — I wasn’t suggesting you actually think that way. Far from it. Apologies if I made it seem so.
I think your statement resonates with many in the world at large, however. There are many who hold such ideas as articles of faith, and they have no need for logic. Those are the people being poked, whether in New Amsterdam, Texas, the Bay Area, Oil City, PA, Dubai, or parts unknown.
Make a wrong turn in Texas?
Sorry, Texas is already on my “where am I going” list. What’s one more Michigander among friends??
Don’t bother trying to scare me away with the heat either. I’ll take it over cold and snow anyday.
No thanks
Texas is one ugly state just like Arizona.
I actually thought Arizona was nice. But I agree with you about Texico. Wouldn’t live there if you paid me to.
I am proud of the California craziness. I’m a native Californian, although permanent Arizona resident since 1996. I remember in the late 70s in college, I wished I was born in 1948 to be involved in the free love movement, and so on - naked women frolicking in Golden Gate Park
Oh well.
Actually in the 1800s many western cities had a lot of civil liberties - legal brothels and drugs of which types have become illegal. Phoenix, where my permanent address is, had brothels. The men would send their wives and children to Prescott or Flagstaff in the hot months and stay in Phoenix and patronize brothels.
San Francisco is probably the only city to maintain its bohemianism. I honor it for its acceptance of individual liberty.
Now Texas, a beautiful state. I drove from east to west once through Dallas. I just am not into Bible thumping - no offense.
When you have savings bonds, TIPS, and treasury bills that earn gains that cannot be taxed by “Ahhrnoldt” and his fascist cronies, California cannot be all bad.
So what does Lehman Bros, Starmucks, Krispy Kreme, Merril Lynch, Hardley Davidson, New Century, Countrywide ( choose your own favorites) all have in common?
Fond memories of April 1st… 2007
Oh, Krispy Kreme, how I loved to watch the glazed product roll off your automated in-store doughnut machine. Lehman Bros., Countrywide, and the rest of those pikers could never match you in that regard!
Is there such a thing as a healthy donut?
I really and sincerely pray that there is…
The one you don’t eat?
Have you ever had a key lime donut? You’re never quite the same after it’s gone…
Retail sales for March below expectations, thus market down as a result.
Here’s a stat (I first quoted last week) I’m going to harp on over and over again, as the “economists” are somehow surprised that the recovery doesn’t happen when they expect.
Homeowner equity rate in 2003: 57.4% (and flat)
Homeowner equity rate in 2008: 43.0% (and falling very fast)
Learn it. Live it.
No recovery around the corner.
And how much of that remaining equity is in the hands of folks who won’t tap it to spend it?
Which is worse in the eyes of the policy makers, those who refuse to tap into that equity, or those who desperately use their diminishing equity as a tourniquet?
Rhetorical, of course, but it shines a light on packman’s assertion that we haven’t turned a corner no matter what Wells Fargo is blowing up investor’s arses.
With regards to gov’t urging on people to assume more debt…I think we’ve entered the “Jonestown” phase of this debacle.
LOL - that is quite an analogy.
(apt)
Curiouser & curiouser said the White Rabbit:
Filed under: “Interesting job in a global market of 6+ Billion peoples”
“…John Coates, a senior research fellow in neuroscience and finance at University of Cambridge in the U.K”
Toxic Testosterone Crunches Need a Female Touch: Susan Antilla
April 14 (Bloomberg)
I’m thinking we should have an additional 1$/gallon gas tax. Would really kink consumption of oil downward and put a dent in consumption. Make the green folks happy too.
We are concerned about our trade imbalance and debt here. One of the major components is oil. We start steeping in 1$ and then 2$ per gallon taxes and consumption of oil drops pretty fast, see last year in the commodities bubble. Heck, might go for three dollars per gallon.
A gas tax like that would be entirely opposite of the crusade to save GM and Chrysler.
James, you can voluntarily pay that extra tax now. You don’t need to wait for Congress to act.
Actually it wouldn’t be somewhat muted, if it was combined with a removal of CAFE (which is a gas tax imposed on Detroit firms). The CEO of Ford was arguing for just such a swap a few months ago.
The way CAFE is structured ,its bull. Basically GM throws away some money on some unadvertised minimally engineered piece of crap. Then it gets figured into their models offered, or you take some model and slap different sitckers on it.
No. F those guys. They have to get real with their labor deals, debt problems and what ever else on their own. Again there is excess consumption being touted as some kind of great thing, cause it flows into the GDP number. All those big vehicles do is suck reources up and leave a trail of debt in their path.
Since these guys are creating all sorts of social ills, I figure they need to pay some back. Might create an exemption for some farmers though. Kind of like cigarette taxes.
CAFE standards were just raised to a point below what current models offer. Talk about a red herring.
No. I’m going to put this idea out on the net. Drop off on every enviromentalist site, message boards and sell it to eveyone I can reach. I’ve seen everything we’ve talked about on here eventually reach the MSM and government.
So, hopefully this works too.
Sorry Carolina Bill. For this to work all you gentleman in the south needed to be push so every gently along. I’m already living close to work and driving a hybrid.
Everyone shouldn’t be frightened of a shrinking GDP either, since consumption is such a huge factor. One of our biggest measures just is tracking spending and economist wail everytime it goes down hill.
Another good effort would be to force the politicians to pay more attention to jobs than to be beholden to GDP numbers.
“I’m thinking we should have an additional 1$/gallon gas tax. ”
Can’t happen soon enough. Make it $2/gal. Anything it takes to get these SLOBurbans, Excretions and TaWhores off the road.
Agreed, $2/gallon sounds good to me as well. I’m less about getting the guzzlers off the road than I am so done watching MSM reports of people filling them up with 2 kids in the back and talking about how they can’t afford food or school clothes, yet they can afford a $40k SUV.
It would ring better if it was a pickup truck with two kids in the back.
I’m good also. If only to keep our local rednecks from funding the terrorists shooting their cousins in Iraq & Afghanistan.
How about a blog post tax. $5/post, proceeds used to fund infrastructure for better connectivity. $10 if it’s a post calling for a new tax (except for this one).
Blog post tax? Is posting on blogs somehow destructive where we need to change behavior?
Yes, if you’re trying to tax people.
“Make it $2/gal.”
No…Make it $20 per gallon, the tax.
While we’re at it, let’s make the minimum wage $200 per hour.
If you object, why?
I’ll support the gas tax, of course our congressmen who have to get re elected will scream bloody murder.
World oil prices would collapse, and leave the US consumer paying more for gas but not $1 more. We could return this money to the tax payer by reducing the payroll tax.
I’m in favor of a major gas tax increase. This issue is, would it do anything but feed the beast (government)? We need more mass transit (bus terminals, bus lanes, and some rail). Start with a 50 cent per gallon tax and let everyone know its increasing 25 cents/gallon every six months until its at $2/gallon.
It would clean up the air, reduce the stupid trade deficit, and force a re-engineering towards greener vehicles. Right now, with gas < $2.50/gallon, there is little to no incentive to scrap gas guzzlers. Create that incentive.
But also provide an alternative. Not to mention build roads. A city builds wealth on transportation. A recession is when we should be building up infrastructure.
And for rail:
1. Plow through the off grade triple track through Chicago.
2. Take freight off grade through Riverside CA from the docks. (Plus some of the local tracks… make it possible to receive rail freight during business hours!)
3. some Pax rail (more busses). E.g,. 2nd Avenue subway in NYC. Exposition line in LA, Red line to the Ocean, but mostly bus terminals and off grade dedicated bus lanes.
Got Popcorn?
Neil
OK, let me understand this. We’re going to spend billions to bail out automakers so they can continue to build inefficient, unpopular cars. Then we’re going to spend billions more to construct and maintain roads, bridges, etc. And then we’re going to impose punishing taxes on anyone who has the effrontery to actually DRIVE the said cars on the said roads. What are the cars and roads for, decoration? I don’t get it.
Public trans my friend. Get used to it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29976394
This is a great visual with a sliding time line for determining the genesis of the bubble in your own demographic area.
The greatest part about this is watching the percentage losses just beginning in Fall08 and accelerating each month up to now.
Read it and weep RealTards.
Nice Post….
Texas is doing quite well…So is it just a Coincidence that Texas is doing so well (87,000 unit starts) while most everybody else is fighting for survival or did someone deliver the bacon “Big Time”
I think land/materials/labor in Texas have fallen enough for builders to start constructing again.
thousand points for ex today. great link.
The 00-01 recession seemed to start in the middle (mississipi river valley and rest of flyover country) and work its way to the shores, with the recovery reversing, starting at the shores and working in.
This one was a bit different. The area from the rust-belt (ohio, michigan, IN) to the South it seems started it, then the corners of the country (CA/Nev, and fla) came into recessoin with the midwest and southwest seeming to come in last.
Not sure what the implication of this contrast is…
It seems as though the stock market cannot even begin a good ole fashioned route any more these days before the PPT jumps in to the rescue.
Calloway: Go home Martins, like a sensible chap. You don’t know what you’re mixing in, get the next plane.
Martins: As soon as I get to the bottom of this, I’ll get the next plane.
Calloway: Death’s at the bottom of everything, Martins. Leave death to the professionals
Now we have the answer it the stress that made Wall Street efup. Pretty soon they will name a disease for this condition then come up with a drug and use this condition in trials to acquit scamming banksters.
The psychologists found that exposure to stress led participants to choose riskier decisions when trying to decide between taking a minor loss or a major one. The reverse proved true with gains.
One potential explanation for the effect might be that the human brain has two ways of looking at the world, an analytical one and an intuitive one. The analytical one is more easily disrupted by outside stimuli, such as stress. The intuitive one cuts to the bottom line when times are tough.
http://www.economist.com/finance/displayStory.cfm?story_id=13447720&source=hptextfeature
Ben is citing hopeful data on home sales, homebuilding and consumer spending. I don’t think it is hopeful yet. The economy has not bottomed out. I think ther is more pain ahead. Can somebody straighten me out on this one?
Bernanke sees signs of recovery
By Alan Rappeport in New York
Published: April 14 2009 13:55 | Last updated: April 14 2009 15:24
Ben Bernanke, chairman of the US Federal Reserve, on Tuesday said in prepared remarks that he has seen “tentative signs” that the sharp decline in economic activity is slowing, citing hopeful data on home sales, homebuilding and consumer spending.
Mr Bernanke, in a speech to students at Morehouse college in Atlanta, will say that such a levelling out of economic activity is the first step toward a recovery, but that stabilisation of the financial system and credit markets will be crucial to making any recovery sustainable.
Reiterating his call for better financial regulation, Mr Bernanke will say that the US needs a system for “unwinding” too-big-to-fail companies in ways that minimise disruptions to financial markets.
Although fears of inflation have largely subsided recently, as demand has collapsed, Mr Bernanke will say that inflation risk remains when the economy begins to rebound.
“At that point, the liquidity that the Fed has put into the system could begin to pose an inflationary threat unless the FOMC acts to remove some of that liquidity and raise the federal funds rate,” Mr Bernanke will say. “We have a number of effective tools that will allow us to drain excess liquidity and begin to raise rates at the appropriate time.”
That process will require the Fed to eventually scale back its lending programmes as part of a strategy of “reducing policy stimulus”, once a recovery begins
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/10f7fa3e-28f2-11de-bc5e-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1
“We have a number of effective tools that will allow us to drain excess liquidity and begin to raise rates at the appropriate time.”
I would love to know what these are.
They won’t raise rates and they won’t drain liquidity.
This is it for them - all or nothing. Flood the system with nearly endless funny-money at 0% interest and hope that people get back to buying things they can’t afford. They need run away inflation to get this work. If everyone is rushing out and buying things before the price goes up, it’ll get people back in debt and help the parasites shuffle paper around and get rich. So, they won’t raise rates for years to come, IMHO.
Never trust an academic economist’s opinion on economic reality.
Along the same lines…
“Since one can not analyze change until after it has happened, our Western approach to information leaves us dealing with events after the fact rather than as part of the flow.
“Moreover, our societal disease of what I call ‘analexia’ (our conviction that if something can not be measured, it is not real) is accompanied by our passion for numbers.”
Bennett W. Goodspeed
“The Tao Jones Averages: A Guide to Whole-Brained Investing”
How Goldman “hit” its earnings:
Goldman’s 2008 fiscal year ended Nov. 30. This year the company is switching to a calendar year. The leaves December as an orphan month, one that will be largely ignored. In Goldman’s news release, and in most of the news reports, the quarter ended March 31 is compared to the quarter last year that ending in February.
The orphan month featured — surprise — lots of writeoffs. The pre-tax loss was $1.3 billion, and the after-tax loss was $780 million.
Good job! Just switch the calendar cycle and hope the market doesn’t notice..
Is that legal?
I always wondered how a company would go about shifting their earnings calendar. I would think they would have to compensate for the shift in some fashion - in this case add it as an extra month to one quarter presumably, with a statement that direct YoY comparisons aren’t valid this time around (or next year).
If not - wow.
Totally legal. The orphan month is a “short year” all by itself.
It’s totally legal. They told you they are doing it. It’s right there in black and white.
If people don’t read footnotes, well that’s just too effin’ bad for them, isn’t it?
I would think they would have to compensate for the shift in some fashion
I’m pretty sure you would have to redo the last 2-3 years of financial statements for the sake of consistant comparison. The problem is that so many people don’t read the notes to even be aware it happened. They just look at the bottom line and the quarterly comparison.
They are in fact required to follow Jan-Dec calendar year for this earning report since they converted to a regular bank in Sept of last year. Before that they were using Dec - Nov fiscal year like all other investment banks. It’s not a gimmick that they are using just for earning purpose, the regulation requires it.
The gimmick is taking a huge number of write-offs in the “missing” month. Banks are largely profitable because of the yield curve’s current levels, except that once a quarter they review their likely upcoming losses and take a loss (additional reserve on their loans/securities). If Goldman takes a very conservative view in a period that some people will ignore, then returns to a more permissive view in the next period, the write down will be small compared with the yield curve generated profits.
>Banks are largely profitable because of the yield curve’s current levels
GS doesn’t make money off the shape of the yield curve, it really isn’t a commercial bank like Wells Fargo. They make most of their money trading for themselves and as market makers providing liquidity and make the difference between ask and bid. It does not borrow from the Fed and lend.
Er … you are soooooooo 20 years behind the time, it’s not even funny.
They were all borrowing in the short-end market to finance long-term obligations of so many different kinds that it would take a day to even just summarize how many pies they have their fingers in.
That’s why their conversion to a “bank-holding company” was so crucial so that they could borrow from the Fed rather than the commercial paper market (which had and continues to be on life-support.)
Did you read their latest quarterly? Look at the division that made the most money last quarter. That has nothing to do with borrowing at the short-end and loaning it out at the long-end. What I said is true, they DO NOT lend on the long-end by borrowing on the short-end to make most of their money, the yield curve means little other than the rate on the duration of the bond they issue to fund their obligations.
The primary benefit of switching to a bank holding company has actually been the ability to use FDIC backing to issue their own bonds (unavailable to them before they became a bank-holding company) to investors, not asset swap to the Fed for borrowing purpose. The borrowing from FDIC is a last-ditch measure to prevent a BSC/LEH-like bank-run and not used to fund operations:
NEW YORK, Nov 25 (Reuters) - Goldman Sachs (GS.N) boosted a planned bond sale on Tuesday under a new government lending program in what may be a promising first crack to loosen frozen credit markets and unleash $600 billion in new debt sales.
Goldman was the first test as U.S. banks line up to sell debt guaranteed by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. after investment-grade and junk bond sales slowed in recent months.
Goldman Sachs sold $5 billion of new bonds on Tuesday, while JPMorgan (JPM.N) , Morgan Stanley (MS.N) and Bank of America (BAC.N) are preparing sales in what may be the start of a flood of new sales.
If you think prop-trading is not borrowing short and lending long, I don’t think you understand the business at all.
Who is it lending to? Let’s say I sold a 2 year bond and used to proceed to do high frequency trading using index arbitrage strategy on the SP500. If I take a long position on a SP500 futures contract and used the bond proceed as collateral, do you call that a loan? The shape of the yield curve, specifically the slope and the difference between the short and long rates on the curve has no bearing on the success of my trading position once the bond is sold; the success of my position depends on the direction of the SP500.
Perhaps we are just disagreeing on semantics. You call that lending, I do not.
I call anything that pays me daily a loan.
If I borrow at a 1 bp a day, and give it to someone to run a strategy with expected 4 bps a day, that’s borrowing short and lending long.
You’re lending it to the person (in this case an employee) who you think can make you that expected return. It’s not just semantics. It’s the nitty-gritty of making money.
Thanks for the explanation. Image of smokey boardroom brainstorm session.
I wonder if they all got extra bonuses for creating another year.
who reads the notes? lol
This angle of the story was all over a few blogs last night, but from what I have been able to observe, the MSM didn’t report on it until today. I haven’t watched CNBC since pre-bell this AM, but in the time I was watching, they spent less than 30 seconds talking about it.
God I hate these people.
When I read that it just left me completely disgusted myself with the whole kit and kaboodle.
These guys have entire departments that spend their time it seems doing little more than figuring out how to weasel around stuff.
The presidents speech sounds like a preemptive strike before tomorrows tea parties. I did like the part how some people were tricked into taking out sub prime loans, nothing to do with greed.
Those right wing extremists need to be monitored by HSA so please don’t go to the tea parties.
“And beyond that, way off in the distance, we can see a vision of an America’s future that is far different than our troubled economic past.”
I get the feeling that what he sees off in the distance is not what we see…….
Some were tricked into them or offered no alternative.
You give people more credit for intelligence then they deserve. And let’s not forget just plain ol’ collusion in the industry.
Don’t let the Fed’s War on Savers stop your household from practicing financial prudence.
DAVID WEIDNER’S WRITING ON THE WALL
Payback by saving
Commentary: Stop helping bailout banks more than you already have
By David Weidner, MarketWatch
Last update: 12:01 a.m. EDT April 14, 2009
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Taxpayers are downright furious over the bailouts that have characterized Washington-to-Wall Street policymaking for more than a year. Rather than stewing, though, they can help themselves and send a powerful message to the bailout chieftains by doing something simple: saving more.
It seems silly that saving, something so universally accepted as good financial sense, is out of style. But it is.
The government is spending through a $787 billion stimulus bill. It encouraged us to spend our stimulus checks last year, and our tax refunds this year — if we receive any. They want us to buy American cars, buy American homes and buy, buy, buy until we say goodbye the recession.
Saw that, and agree.
Once again, those who complain about paying taxes and bailouts, but then live the lifestyle of a hyper-consumer - are their own worst enemy.
I know many people who do not need to but have cut back on spending. America might go thru a sea change on its spending habits. The trend to save and then buy might be forced on Americans who got used to getting credit despite the fact they had bad credit.
Payback by Saving
http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/106915/Payback-by-Saving?sec=topStories&pos=9&asset=&ccode=
latest news
Obama says we are not coddling Wall Street
PAUL B. FARRELL
Best strategy for long bear market 2010-2020
Bonds beat stocks by factor of 11 from 1981 to 2009, but can it continue?
By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch
Last update: 6:37 p.m. EDT April 13, 2009
ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) — Never buy stocks. Never. Unless, of course, you love gambling (and losing) at the Wall Street casino. Or you don’t mind making payments on your broker’s BMW. Or you just joined a monastery and just took a vow of poverty.
Otherwise, don’t buy. Stocks are losers.
At least that’s the only rational investment strategy you’ll come away with after reading economist and long-time Forbes columnist Gary Shilling’s analysis of the miserable performance of stocks during Wall Street’s recent bull/bear cycles, beginning with the election of President Reagan in the early 1980s.
And it gets worse when you project into the bear market predicted for the next decade, till 2020. Ergo, more tough times ahead for investors, possibly a sequel to the painful sideways bear of 1968-1982.
So I ask you: Knowing the history, why would anyone in their right mind invest in stocks? You’d be a fool, right?
Yes. But join the club. We are a nation of “those who cannot learn from history,” as the philosopher George Santayana once warned, so we “are doomed to repeat it.” Statistics prove that year after year America’s 95 million investors are indeed clueless fools, easily conned into buying stocks by what BusinessWeek once called the “Wall Street Hype Machine.”
This one made me laugh audibly (lets call it LAUD because “LOL” has become very old and annoying)!
Actually, someone else can probably think up a better Acronym replacement for LOL. Suggestions?
LOL @ the crazy suggestion.
Why fix what’s not broken?
+1
Question for any readers here who ever took a finance course in college or graduate school:
Does the current state of the stock market solve the so-called “equity premium puzzle”?
I liked the speech.
SKF reacted quite well, CNBC hated it.
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(SKF reacted quite well to words like “regulation” etc. It was entertaining to see both simultaneously)
The median CEO salary rose 7 percent in 2008. CEO perks at the companies surveyed also went up, nearly 13 percent to an average value of $336,246, according to the survey.
Of CEOs whose compensation increased, the average was $5.4 million, including salary, bonuses and stock options.
Still looking for some folks to test a firefox extension to aid in reading this blog before I make it available for public consumption. It’ll show you how many new comments there are for each blog post, and hilight them for you so they’re easier to find.
If anyone’s using Firefox and wants to be helpful, can you send me an email? drumminj yahoo.com.
It won’t hurt anything, and if it’s buggy you can just disable/uninstall it easily. To install all you have to do is drag a file onto the browser window….
Thanks for the handy Firefox extension. Sure makes following up on previously read posts quick and easy.
Nice!
Per a recommendation from this blog, I’ve started reading Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. Started the last weekend so I’m only up to page 400.
Some of the ideas disturb me a little. So far it’s produced some mixed feelings within.
Would anyone here care to share their thoughts and feelings in regards to this book?
Try not to give it away as I’m only about 1/3 thru. Thanks.
Harry Lime: “Nobody thinks in terms of human beings. Governments don’t. Why should we? They talk about the people and the proletariat, I talk about the suckers and the mugs - it’s the same thing. They have their five-year plans, so have I.”
Martins: “You used to believe in God.”
Harry Lime: “Oh, I still do believe in God, old man. I believe in God and Mercy and all that. But the dead are happier dead. They don’t miss much here, poor devils.”
Atlas Shrugged is very popular these days. Coincidentally I’m also about 1/4 of the way through it. I’m doing it from CD while commuting (45 CDs!)
I think she’s spot-on w/regards to her thoughts about capitalism vs. socialism. It’s a great book and an interesting story. Though she definitely exaggerates things a lot - presenting pretty much everyone in either black (complete socialist) or white (complete capitalist) terms. Her writing style is a bit better than in previous books, but still pretty atrocious; you kind of have to take that with a grain of salt.
She seems to be very anti-charity also (in general - not just in AS), however I’m not sure how much of that is just “anti-government-charity” vs. just “anti-charity”. IMO she seems to disregard the notion that some people really do have needs that cannot be met through their own will, no matter how hard they work - that would be my one big fault with her philosophy. Being a Christian I’m not crazy about how her views are completely secular, though it doesn’t really bother me that much. Personally where we differ is that my view is that it *is* appropriate to help those less fortunate than us; however that being done with full judgment of true need and ability of the recipient, and very much outside the scope of government (i.e. I’m in favor only of private charity).
Packman (love the name and the game!) -
I curse the professor of mine who dared me to read that dasterdly tome at 1000 plus pages!
Hey, I was just shy of sixteen and the book weighed nearly my whipser of skin and bones!
What a waste of youth - well - I shrug too.
No better or worse off. Independent thinking and all.
Leigh
We’ve traveled this road many times, but I’d say the number of regular posters here who think Rand was a prescient visionary is a roughly equal to the number who think she was a pompous turd-hawker.
The remainder appear indifferent to her writing, or are simply tired of the debate.
I’ve just never gotten around to reading it.
Mrktmaven keeps suggesting Animal Farm, but haven’t gotten to that either.
Animal Farm is an absolute must!!! I can’t believe you didn’t have to read it in school - shame on your school!
It’s short and simple, but has a very important thesis.
Let me guess - you didn’t read 1984 either, did you?
“All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
Especially pigman bankers.
In high school I first read “The Fountainhead” which I loved but even then there was a fantastic, somewhat ’science fiction’ feel to it. Not a problem for me given that I cut my intelectual teeth on the Sci-Fi greats, Heinlein, Niven, Clark, Poul, etc.
Read ‘Atlas Shrugged’ when I found a dog eared copy in an airport lounge on the way to a ski trip in my early 20’s. That book left even more of that sci-fi feeling and this time not really in a good way. Rand could have REALLY used an editor for Shrugged and is clearly in love with her intelect and florid prose but the overarching points seem almost child-like in their reductionist idealism. It’s fun to work up a nice indignant lather about the ignorant conformist masses but life just can’t be distilled to such simplistic absolutism.
+1
A good book to read so you never have to read it again.
It is a very naive’ and sophomoric philosophy. It belongs with all the other musings and ponderings that have no real relation to the messiness that is real life.
You want to read something better? Machiavelli. Deceptively simple. Or “Gangs of America” That one is a real eye opener.
I’ve been an Aristotelian before I heard of Ayn Rand. Her first book I read was “The Fountainhead.” Actually I loved that novel more than “Atlas Shrugged.” I think the only reason was because I read ahead after getting to page 300 or 400. Went to the last chapter. To this day I think it ruined my impression.
I still think AS is high up on my favorite novels. No one on this blog can write as good as Ayn Rand wrote. So I cringe when the nutcases say it’s a lousy read and that they must have been juveniles when they liked it, but they “grew up,” - please! How condescending from the PEANUT GALLERY who have less than 1/100 of A.R.’s talent.
Even so, I have my favorite books from less talented writers that influenced my thinking: Anything by Robert A. Heinlein since the early 1960s, James P. Hogan’s “Voyage From Yesteryear,” the pure science fiction of Larry Niven (before he obviously was stricken with stupidity and went to the idiotic fantasy side), Tom Clancy (yes, I worked in the defense industry since 1985 and no, I gloss over the implied social conservatism of his books).
The books that had a revolutionary effect on my thinking were the fiction books”Voyage From Yesteryear,” “The Fountainhead” and the non-fiction books: “How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World,” “No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority” by Lysander Spooner, and “The Market for Liberty” by Morris and Linda Tannehill. “For a New Liberty,” by Murry Rothbard, ranks high too.
This article made me think about FPSS’s post about the lady asking him for a quarter. How many more victims are out there?
Feds: Elderly NY churchgoers victims of fraud
NEW YORK (AP) — Five leaders of a New York City church have been charged with ripping off more than $10 million from elderly worshippers in a hedge fund scam.
Federal authorities allege the men purposely sought to exploit the trust of people “near and dear” to them at the church in Queens.
Court papers filed Tuesday say the defendants raised about $12.3 million in investments in two crooked funds on Long Island with false promises of up to 70 percent returns. They’re accused of losing $10.2 million.
Authorities also say the men raided the funds to pay for expensive meals, foreign travel and other luxuries. One purchase was a $200,000 Bentley.
They face up to 20 years in prison if convicted of securities fraud.
Oh, I bet you there are zillions in NYC (five boroughs) alone.
This place is filled with scams of every which way against every one else. You could live here for 10 years and not get a robust sense about the way in which people in various communities scam their own kind.
It’s partly to do with the fact that NYC is roughly 50% “first-generation immigrants” and that number has been roughly stable since WW2!!!
And these people aren’t always the most financially literate.
I once had to teach someone how to put dollar bills into a MTA machine to get a card. And he spoke perfectly good English so that communication was not the problem!
“I once had to teach someone how to put dollar bills into a MTA machine to get a card.”
That’s pretty bad. No wonder these people get taken to the cleaners!
Yeah, well, I didn’t tell you the whole story.
I was leaving the subway so initially I just offered to scan him in with my unlimited card. He went through the three-prong circular thing in the wrong one and the thing slammed shut after a one-third rotation.
Not the brightest bulb in the bulb-box, I’ll say.
Then, it took me almost five minutes to teach him to use the MTA machine. Five whole minutes!!!
And in case, anyone doubts it, I’m an effin’ saint sometimes I am.
To paraphrase Warren Buffet, the tide just keeps receding farther and farther out to sea.
And then, the tsunami hits.
This article made me think about FPSS’s post about the lady asking him for a quarter. How many more victims are out there?
Lots..there always is in an economic downturn/recesion/depression. You might not see a friend panhandling but you may know of a few that are “kicked to the curb” due to finances or employment in the next few years.
I think I already “know” a few.
They are sorta marginal acquaintances so it’s easy enough to not actually be literally aware or let it slide but you always kinda “know”.
As I’ve said before, this country’s biggest industry, BAR NONE, was and is fraud.
Personal bankruptcies way up.
“RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) - The number of U.S. businesses and individuals declaring bankruptcy is rising with a vengeance amid the recession, despite a three-year-old federal law that made it much tougher for Americans to escape their debts, an Associated Press analysis found.
“‘There’s no end in sight,” said bankruptcy lawyer Bryan Elliott of Hickory, N.C., who is working seven days a week and scheduling prospective clients a month in advance. ‘To be doing this well and having this much business, it is depressing. It’s not a laugh-a-minute job.’
“Nearly 1.2 million debtors filed for bankruptcy in the past 12 months, according to federal court records collected and analyzed by the AP. Last month, 130,831 sought bankruptcy protection - an increase of 46 percent over March 2008 and 81 percent over the same month in 2007.”
Singapore GDP plummets 20 percent in 1Q, marking record contraction amid export collapse
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Singapore-economy-plummets-20-apf-14916260.html
The government now expects the economy to shrink between 6 percent and 9 percent this year from a previous forecast of a drop between 2 percent and 5 percent, the ministry said in a statement. The 2009 growth forecast has now been cut three times.
Let’s see - you’ve already collapsed 5% in a quarter (= annualized 20%) and your forecast is “between 6% and 9%”?
You’ve revised your forecast thrice in three months.
This doesn’t even meet the basic Bayesian smell-test.
BWAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHH!!!
I’ll take what’s behind Door Number Seven, Monty…
How about the box that Carol is standing next to?
Here is US GDP by industry.
http://www.bea.gov/industry/gpotables/gpo_action.cfm?anon=94463&table_id=23975&format_type=0
Where will the money, activity, jobs and focus move now that Line Item 50 is no longer our primarly growth market for the next few decades?
that is scary– especially when you consider another 4.5% coming from construction.
it’ll be interesting to see how that pans out for 2008 and 2009- too bad we have to wait 7 more months to get 2008 data due to government “efficiency”.
Silly wabbit, tricks is for kids:
Line item 56 is going to triple in 6 months!
sadly, you mean line 83
Oy! 83 is the new 56, dontcha know?
true, dat!
Goldman Sachs’s Viniar ‘Mystified’ by Interest in AIG (Update1)
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By Christine Harper
April 14 (Bloomberg) — David Viniar, Goldman Sachs Group Inc.’s chief financial officer, said he’s “mystified” by the interest investors and government officials have shown in the bank’s trading relationship with American International Group Inc.
“They’re one of thousands and thousands and thousands of counterparties and the results of any trading with AIG are completely immaterial to what we do,” Viniar said today in an interview. “I am mystified by this fascination with AIG.”
Goldman Sachs, the most-profitable securities firm before converting to a bank last year, received more cash from AIG after the Federal Reserve rescued it last year than any other counterparty. The company has said it was insured against any losses from AIG and it didn’t benefit from the government’s rescue of the New York-based insurer. The Treasury Department’s chief watchdog for the financial rescue program is investigating whether AIG paid more than necessary to banks.
Viniar told analysts today that any profits related to AIG in the January-to-March quarter “rounded to zero,” as most of the transactions were unwound before the end of the year. In an interview, he also said profits in December weren’t significant.
‘Rounded to Zero’
“I would never tell you that we didn’t book any profit, I don’t even know,” he said. “I couldn’t tell you with any counterparty that we booked zero, but I could tell you it rounded to zero.”
After AIG was rescued by the U.S. from collapse last year, banks that bought credit-default swaps got $22.4 billion in collateral and $27.1 billion in payments to retire contracts, the insurer said last month.
“Viniar told analysts today that any profits related to AIG in the January-to-March quarter “rounded to zero,” as most of the transactions were unwound before the end of the year. In an interview, he also said profits in December weren’t significant.”
Isn’t that the whole frigging point? If not for the AIG infusion, the profits would have been massively negative, rather than near zero. That’s what a bailout is - it doesn’t give profits, it removes losses (generally).
(at least that’s this layman’s surface view understanding)
Translation: This is where the crimes are all at, but I hope by making you look stupid you will just go away.
Somebody should take a real close look at that December “short year” month.
LOL - why do I get the visual of a mother or father looking down at an 8-year-old boy acting “mystified” standing over a broken lamp with a football next to it.
“What?”
A new Gov’t priority list:
“A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines “rightwing extremism in the United States” as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/federal-agency-warns-of-radicals-on-right/
Rash Limpbaughs: “I want him to fail!”
Ya mean whole states could be branded as terrorists?
You better check those Texicans out. THE Tenth Amendment will prevail. Hide your ammo and your guns. Don’t register them you might need them.
Secession: “[A] most valuable right, a most sacred right, a right which I hope and believe we can liberate the world.” ~Abraham Lincoln, Jan. 12, 1848
AUSTIN – Gov. Rick Perry joined state Rep. Brandon Creighton and sponsors of House Concurrent Resolution (HCR) 50 in support of states’ rights under the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
“I believe that our federal government has become oppressive in its size, its intrusion into the lives of our citizens, and its interference with the affairs of our state,” Gov. Perry said. “That is why I am here today to express my unwavering support for efforts all across our country to reaffirm the states’ rights affirmed by the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I believe that returning to the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution and its essential 10th Amendment will free our state from undue regulations, and ultimately strengthen our Union.”
Perry continued: “Millions of Texans are tired of Washington, DC trying to come down here to tell us how to run Texas.”
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A number of recent federal proposals are not within the scope of the federal government’s constitutionally designated powers and impede the states’ right to govern themselves. HCR 50 affirms that Texas claims sovereignty under the 10th Amendment over all powers not otherwise granted to the federal government.
It also designates that all compulsory federal legislation that requires states to comply under threat of civil or criminal penalties, or that requires states to pass legislation or lose federal funding, be prohibited or repealed.
“I believe that returning to the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution and its essential 10th Amendment will free our state from undue regulations, and ultimately strengthen our Union.”
Perry continued: “Millions of Texans are tired of Washington, DC trying to come down here to tell us how to run Texas.”
D.Central planning is trying to shove money down our States throat and it is being resisted not just by our Governor but by thousands of it’s citizens. Not one member of the current administration has been able to answer one very simple question.
How will our State be able to continue funding these make work programs once the BARF funds run out in 2 years time?
Several dozen states have reportedly issued resolutions in support of the Jeffersonian principle of nullification. These will all be completely meaningless unless the American public has the fortitude to actually enforce the resolutions and begin ignoring any and all federal government actions that they interpret as unconstitutional and illegitimate. In addition, citizens of every state should learn about the Second Vermont Republic which, for several years now, has been laying the groundwork for Vermont to secede and once again become an free and independent republic, just as all the states thought of themselves as being prior to 1865.” A large number of U.S. citizens have become slaves to the federal government and they want something done about it. Unfortunately, no one seems to have a practical idea how about un-encumber themselves of their burden. “Vote the rascals out!” is often suggested, but that has never worked. The best we do is install a new set of rascals.
States are not required to accept any of the money. Governor Perry needs to grow some & just reject all Federal monies. He should also demand an end to all TX businesses accepting DOD contracts, social security & medicaid payments, and shut down all military bases in TX.
There is no reason Texans can’t go back to raising cattle and running brothels.
Is any more evidence needed that these people are a bunch of freakin’ nuts??????
The sooner this administration fails, the better.
Right wingers opposing federal authority…..bad.
Left wingers wanting teenagers to be able to pass sexually explicit pictures around of each other and others……apparently ok.
http://wcbstv.com/technology/sexting.vermont.teens.2.983956.html
“Don’t talk to them in language saying this is right this is wrong. That’s not going to get to a kid,” Salmansohn said.
“You have to talk them, you know what you think is cool isn’t so cool. You have to use the language of cool because that’s why they’re doing it.”
Yep, that idiot corner was turned long ago, you can’t say anything that might be ‘hurtful’ or bruise their self esteem. We just keep sinking deeper and deeper into a socially screwed up quagmire.
FUBAR balance sheets and consumer foreclosures are one thing — but save the horse race by any means necessary! (Cue “Maryland, My Maryland” …)
Bankruptcy Fuels Fear Over Preakness
By THEO EMERY, New York Times
April 13, 2009
BALTIMORE — With just a month to go before the Preakness Stakes at Pimlico Race Course here, the bankruptcy of the company that owns the track and the race has unleashed a wave of distress among politicians and the public over whether Maryland could lose its cherished second leg of the Triple Crown.
On Monday the General Assembly passed emergency legislation authorizing the state to buy or seize the race course by eminent domain if necessary, declaring the Preakness “a sporting event of historical and cultural importance to the State of Maryland.”
When will they ever learn the consequences of zero down loans?????
Home buyers have to have skin in the game!
Congressman: Housing tax credit is working
DENVER (AP) — A Colorado congressman says an $8,000 tax credit for first-time homebuyers approved by Congress in this year’s stimulus package is starting to work and may be extended beyond Dec. 1.
Democratic Rep. Ed Perlmutter said Tuesday he has been getting calls already from homebuilders seeking an extension to the tax credit, which Congress approved earlier this year to rouse a stalled housing market.
Perlmutter talked about the homeowner tax credit as Colorado announced it will join other states in “fronting” the federal tax credit. That is, some first-time homebuyers who don’t have money for a down payment can borrow an interest-free sum from the state and then repay it with the federal tax credit they receive next year.
Colorado housing officials announced that first-time homebuyers could apply for up to $6,000 for a down payment and closing costs, with interest waived until the homebuyers receive their federal tax credit. Similar programs have been started in New Mexico, Missouri, Ohio and other states.
Colorado’s program — called JumpStart — will allow first-time homebuyers who make less than 115 percent of their town’s median income to receive up to $6,000 interest-free from the state.
Homebuyers could use that money for a down payment or closing costs, and it wouldn’t have to be repaid until the middle of next year, after they’ve presumably gotten the federal tax credit. Homeowners who didn’t repay the $6,000 by June 30 of next year would be charged interest on the loan.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Congressman-Housing-tax-apf-14924364.html
“Homeowners who didn’t repay the $6,000 by June 30 of next year would be charged interest on the loan”.
Politicians, builders etc. will keep right on trying to reflate this housing bubble, and lots of folks will sign on. Still doesn’t change the root cause and they can’t or won’t wrap their brains around that fact. This mess is going to keep right on dragging along.
Now get out there and spend! As Barry said today, we can’t have everybody saving money at once!
Would anyone care to comment on this listing?
6 Bed, 6 Bath | 5,622 Sq Ft on 2.29 Acres | MLS ID #F1803616
I’m being tempted.
$127/ft2 in Palmdale, CA? Looks desolate and far away from anything.
Didn’t Jackie Treehorn in The Big Lebowski live in Palmdale? Just kidding, dude.
I wouldn’t pay asking price. I’ve been in Palmdale 18 years and I like it. I reminds me of where I grew up.
Worth it just for the foosball table!
If you look at the birds eye view it also appears to have one hole of par 3 golf as well.
That’s a good thing? hope you have a maid for those 6 bedrooms/bathrooms.
25 MILLION a mile, nice work if you can get it!
California road projects
Caltrans adopts a list of 57 transportation projects totaling $625 million to be the first in line to receive federal infrastructure money.
April 14, 2009
Getting started in California
A list of 57 transportation projects totaling $625 million has been adopted by Caltrans as the first in line to receive federal infrastructure money. The projects include:
Highway projects ‘ahead of schedule and under budget,’ Obama says
$75 million to repave three miles of rough pavement on Interstate 710 in Los Angeles.
$50 million to help reconstruct Doyle Drive, the southern access to the Golden Gate Bridge.
$46.7 million to replace two aging bridges on Highway 99 in Merced County.
$17 million to rehabilitate a stretch of Highway 99 in Butte County.
$16.8 million to construct two new lanes on Interstate 805 in Chula Vista to ease traffic congestion.
$13 million to replace the Russian River Bridge in Mendocino County near Ukiah.
For a complete list of the 57 transportation projects that were adopted and allocated funding, visit: http://www.dot.ca.gov/
$75 million to repave three miles of rough pavement on Interstate 710 in Los Angeles.
That`s the contract I want, and if I get it I won
$75 million to repave three miles of rough pavement on Interstate 710 in Los Angeles.
That`s the contract I want, and if I get it I won`t be worried about any house prices.
Today I saw my first 500+ pound woman in the subway.
I tried to estimate her diameter (via parallax - I was wearing sunglasses.)
Quite the good lil’ Boy Scout I am! Taking all that training at an early age to heart and applying it in a practical sorta way.
I don’t think she could’ve gotten up the stairs at my stop (too narrow.) There is no chance whatsoever of her being able to board a bus facing the front.
You seem to be plagued by horrific images these days. I haven’t seen more than five persons in over a week. I think myself lucky.
The one (and only) time I stayed in such a remote place (not counting camping, etc. - we’re talking actual remote suburbia here), I kept dreaming of axe-murderers like that Jamie-Lee Curtis movie.
I even went downstairs and locked all the doors and windows and they all laughed at me the next day over breakfast.
To each his own.
Dang! I told my sister to stay away from subways this week!
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Bill to Clamp Down On Federal Reserve Gains Steam…
Rep. Ron Paul is pushing a bill (H.R.1207) that calls for the comptroller general of the United States to audit the Federal Reserve. And the bill is gaining steam as more members of Congress, both Democrat and Republican, sign on.
The bill is called the Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2009, and it requires an audit of the Fed’s Board of Governors and the Federal Reserve Banks be completed and reported to Congress by the end of 2010.
The Federal Reserve is a government-established private entity that can enter into agreements with foreign central banks and foreign governments. However, no agency has oversight over the Fed and the Government Accounting Office is prohibited from auditing or viewing any agreements. So no one, except for the Fed’s Board of Governors, truly knows what’s going on there.
According to reports, Paul says every problem with the American economy from the Great Depression to the current crisis results from Federal Reserve policy. It’s true. The Fed’s manipulation of money has led to inflation and a devaluation of the dollar that’s robbed the American people of their wealth.
I’ll believe the “gains steam” part when I see it.
I’d put more money on the Cubs winning than this!
There’s always ‘hope now’!
Only if you’re a “dope now”!
The Cubs just won in 1908.
I’d put more money on the Cubs winning than this!
Hey, now!
That’s not nice!
FWIW - it’s got 58 co-sponsors, so might have a shot.
Yeah probably a long shot, but it might just happen.
I’m coming to the conclusion that the besetting design flaw of us semi-evolved bald monkeys is this: ‘no ability to be contented’.
Yes, really!
I ran into my neighbor today at the mailbox up on the road and he invited me over to see his new remodeling endeavors, so I politely went and I did behold his remodeling efforts. Lots of nice and shiny wood things, and a new carpet, and verily, other remodeley thingies, like on the teevee. The new things were like the old things. Maybe a tad different in teensy ways, indiscernible to my simple eyes.
He’s an older man, has money— partly ’cause he’s local and his parents bought some rentals about 60+ years ago and they are profitable— he’s retired, and is a hermit, and his wife is hermity, as are most of my neighbors.
Oh—I mentioned this neighbor before, in the context of his freakishly green and tidy lawn.
Look–I live in the forest. I tell you guys about this frequently, and it is a wonderful forest. Great big dark giant moss-drippy trees, ferns, frogs (like I’d forget to mention the frogs, as if) And I walked a long hard mile to get here, to this forest, because I wanted to LIVE IN THE FOREST, and here I am? In the forest!?
And this guy mows the freakin’ crap out of it! And persists in killing the moss and then planting grass strips, and he’s not winning, is the funny part. He’s planted grass at least 3 times to my knowledge, and it turns back into moss. And the moss is green and short, but evidently not what he wants, because he keeps planting grass.
And he plants marigolds in ruler-straight rows, and incessantly remodels his house, because he can’t think of anything else to do. Wha…? Huh…? Ahhh…?
Anyway, I’m standing there looking at new stuff, same as the old stuff, and making polite sounds out of my face and thinking inside my head, “Man! You are so sillyyyyyyyyyy!
Is this what we do with our time and opposable thumbs?”
Because it seems like a waste, I had to conclude.
I found these thoughts to be discouraging. Then I said a solemn and polite goodbye and went home to my own house, and I prodded the loam I just planted bluebells in, and stirred the cold rain-water in the rain-barrel with my hand, and took a big long drink of it as well, and found it delicious, and then reclined myself upon some soggy moss and got all wet, and then I felt better, and ran inside to tell you all about it.
So here I am, HBBers, and I am hoping some of you will tell me that if you were to live in a giant dark forest you would not spread moss-killer and plant marigolds in ruler-straight rows.
You’re a latter-day Thoreau, baby.
(Uh-oh, I hope the “latter-day” part doesn’t have bad associations…)
You’re a latter-day Thoreau, baby.
(Uh-oh, I hope the “latter-day” part doesn’t have bad associations…)
Why! How sensitive you are! That’s thoughtful. Thanks.
(Such sensitivity demands two fresh handfuls of moss for you, if ever we should meet.*)
*makes a note of this in my new ‘Moss Booklet’—This is something I started over the last weekend. It’s a booklet about moss, and how moss is pretty, and things pertaining unto moss that I encounter. It’s green. I glued moss to it.)
Meet the new moss, same as the old moss…….
Come on, somebody admit it, that’s funny.
Hahahaahh!
I think it’s really super funny. I’m even considering prettily embroidering your phrase for a sampler to hang on my kitchen wall, is how much I like it.
Or—and I just thought of this, Blano—you could also embroider a kitchen sampler saying: ‘Meet the new bryophyte, same as the old bryophyte’.
Because that would be subtle, as well as comical, and much appreciated by biologists everywhere.
Of course, biologists are geeky, so who cares what they think is funny.
I could do that Oly, as soon as someone teaches me how to embroider!!!!
“Bryophyte” sure would cause a lot of head scratching around here.
Feel free to copyright it and market it to your forest friends, and just pay me my commission in beer.
Okay.
First time I ever saw moss growing on houses was visited Ilwaco ten years ago salmon fishing.
And this guy mows the freakin’ crap out of it! And persists in killing the moss and then planting grass strips, and he’s not winning, is the funny part. He’s planted grass at least 3 times to my knowledge, and it turns back into moss.
Ha! That is funny — funny to picture the constant, futile battle (I suddenly pictured Bill Murray in “Caddyshack”), but also funny because moss and lichen gardens can be charming, elegant things. Nature has presented this man with a lovely solution, but he’s chosen not to listen.
Me, I’d love a moss or lichen garden, or a wildflower or prairie grass lawn running rampant on its own. The last thing I’d want is a perfect monocultured lawn. But to each his own. We have opposable thumbs in case we need to operate a lawnmower instead of a bong (uh, for example).
but also funny because moss and lichen gardens can be charming, elegant things.
Yes, they can. And you don’t even have to do anything, such as go to Home Depot and apply for a plastic credit card and trundle around the store with a noisy cart, and stand there in a line all earnestly, nodding to other earnest plastic card holders, and then go home and get all sweaty and stuff making holes here and there in the forest. For what, man?
It was perfect BEFORE the Home Depot trip! What, like a row of petunias, or marigolds, or whatever, improves this forest?
…We have opposable thumbs in case we need to operate a lawnmower instead of a bong (uh, for example).
Well, there we go. At last, a good reason for the thumbs.
I wouldn’t. Love the smells, color and feel of moss.
Yar.
That’s why you live away from us, is it?
Financial Times
Data warn against grasping at green shoots
By Krishna Guha in Washington
Published: April 14 2009 19:01 | Last updated: April 14 2009 19:01
Tuesday’s news that US retail sales fell 1.1 per cent in March is a blow to the idea that green shoots in the world economy herald the start of recovery.
The report is still consistent with the idea that the rate of decline has slowed from the precipitous pace seen in the final months of 2008, when it looked as if the world economy was falling off a cliff.
But it offers a reminder that the economy could continue to decline at a slower pace for some time and that the shape of the eventual recovery remains uncertain. There remains a risk of an extended period of weak growth punctuated by periods of contraction, as seen in Japan in the 1990s.
“The sense of a ball falling off the table,” is drawing to a close, Lawrence Summers, director of the White House National Economic Council, said last week. But “how strong, how rapid the turn will be – that is a less clear question”.
Now here’s an asset I wouldn’t mind seeing the guvmint seizing before something bad happens:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aNJJYNBs1rQA&refer=home
Mortgage lenders have reached the acceptance phase of the housing bubble stages of grief.
Wall Street Journal
* BUSINESS
* APRIL 15, 2009
Banks Ramp Up Foreclosures
Increase Poses Threat to Home Prices; Delinquent Borrowers Face New Scrutiny
By RUTH SIMON
Some of the nation’s largest mortgage companies are stepping up foreclosures on delinquent homeowners. That will likely lead to more Americans losing their homes just as the Obama administration’s housing-rescue plan gets into gear.
J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., Wells Fargo & Co., Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac all say they have increased foreclosure activity in recent weeks. Those companies say they have lifted internal moratoriums which temporarily halted foreclosures.
Some mortgage companies had stopped foreclosing on borrowers as they waited for details of the Obama administration’s housing-rescue plan, announced in February, which provides incentives for mortgage companies and investors to reduce borrowers’ payments to affordable levels. Others had temporarily halted foreclosures while they put their own programs in place, or in response to changes in state laws.
Now, they have begun to determine which troubled borrowers are candidates for help, and to move the rest through the foreclosure process.
Whadya know. Just in time to *not* report these losses in Q1.
I’m thinking 2nd quarter numbers are going to be mucho ugly.
Colleague at the office today told me he took out an ARM loan for a house in Florida back in 2005. He said that sometime later his rate was getting reset and he was going to have to pay 10%. Problem: His house value plummetted too much that he could not refinance to a fixed mortgage. So he sold his house for a big loss and got out from under it.
This is the first in-person info I heard of about someone getting out from under an ARM reset in a rapidly depreciating asset.
The foreclosure tsunami crest has reached Rancho Bernardo. Maybe home prices will finally drop to affordable levels after the market is sufficiently deluged with foreclosure homes.
Notice how the article attests to the role of government intervention in dragging out the duration of the housing crisis. Consequently, there may be a backlog of hundreds of thousands of foreclosure homes waiting to hit the California market. DON’T BUY YET!
North County Times
HOUSING: Mortgage defaults hit new high, spread to upscale neighborhoods
By ZACH FOX - Staff Writer | Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:12 PM PDT ∞
Mortgage delinquencies hit a new high in March, suggesting that foreclosures will continue to weigh on home prices through the year, according to a report released Tuesday.
The report also showed that notices of default, the first step in the foreclosure process, have spiked in the region’s tonier neighborhoods —- places that, until now, have avoided the mass foreclosures elsewhere —- while appearing to have reached a plateau in lower-end regions, which have already been hammered.
In fact, areas such as Valley Center and Rancho Bernardo shot up to be among the leaders in North County for most foreclosure notices per 1,000 houses.
The number of North County and Southwest Riverside County homeowners who received default notices on their mortgages in March reached its highest level since the housing recession that began in 2005, reported ForeclosureRadar, a Northern California research firm. Yet, lenders foreclosed on the fewest number of homes in more than a year.
The contrasting indicators suggest that banks were taking longer to foreclose. Sean O’Toole, the founder of ForeclosureRadar, said that as default notices pile ever higher, the stalled foreclosures will translate to a delay in recovery for the region’s struggling housing market.
Stalled foreclosures, the result of government intervention and bank attempts to modify loans, are “only delaying the problem,” O’Toole said.
In March, there were 67,005 homes across the state scheduled to be foreclosed upon. But banks seized only 10,040 foreclosures, according to ForeclosureRadar.
As a result, there are tens of thousands —- maybe hundreds of thousands —- of foreclosures across the state poised to hit the market but have yet to, also known as “shadow inventory.”
Maybe all the foreclosures in Valley Center will save it from becoming the next CF in the middle of no where. Beautiful back country has been blemished by McRanches and road widening projects which beget more development.
California sees record foreclosure starts
Auction sales down, but defaults spike in March
By Inman News, Tuesday, April 14, 2009.
Lenders started foreclosure proceedings on a record number of California homes in March, even as sales at auction fell dramatically, data aggregator ForeclosureRadar reported.
The number of California homes subjected to notices of default — the first step in the foreclosure process — surged 29.3 percent from February to March, to 54,268, the company said. That’s a 26.3 percent increase from a year ago, and 25.8 percent above the April 2008 peak.
Notices of trustee sale — formal notice that an auction date has been set for a home — were up 82.3 percent from February to March and 19.6 percent from a year ago, but 15 percent below a July 2008 peak.
Some 10,040 homes were sold at auction in March, ForeclosureRadar said, marking a 41.4 percent decline from February and off 36.6 percent from a year ago. Banks take back the majority of properties that go to auction, but about 11 percent of auction sales were to third parties.
Sacramento in top 10 for foreclosure notices
Sacramento Business Journal
Almost one of every 2,000 people in Sacramento County faced a foreclosure sale in March, 31 percent better than in February, according to industry-tracker ForeclosureRadar.
Sacramento County, which ranks No. 10 statewide, had 2,789 default notices last month, the first step in the foreclosure process for financially strapped homeowners. The county had 1,910 notices of trustee sales and 716 foreclosure auctions/sales last month, as the hard-hit housing market continues to reel from the recession.
Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:20am PDT | Modified: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 1:54pm
Washington unemployment rate jumps to 9.2 percent
Puget Sound Business Journal (Seattle)
Washington’s unemployment rate jumped to 9.2 percent last month from 8.3 percent a month earlier, which is the third straight month the state unemployment rate rose by .5 of a percentage point or more.
State officials said there was no significant job growth in any major industry or sector.
The state’s unemployment rate is now significantly higher than the national rate, which was 8.5 percent in March. In Seattle, the unemployment rate rose to 8.1 percent last month from 7.6 percent in February and 4.2 percent in March 2008.
In the state, there are now 327,400 unemployed people, up from 293,800 in February and up from 165,200 in March 2008.
Over the past 14 months of the recession, employers in Washington have shed 102,200 jobs, or 3.4 percent of the work force, a further sign that this recession is one of the most severe since the Depression.
The first quarter of 2009 has been dismal on the job front. It’s the largest three-month increase in the state unemployment rate since the state started compiling comparable data in 1976, according to state employment officials.
“Prior to the last three months, we have never seen it jump that high,” said Mary Ayala, the state’s chief labor economist.
Boy are those green shoots hard to see in the unemployment data!
Monday, April 13, 2009, 11:22am PDT | Modified: Monday, April 13, 2009, 11:56am
Oregon unemployment hits 12.1 percent
Portland Business Journal
Oregon’s seasonally adjusted unemployment rate rose to 12.1 percent in March from a revised 10.7 percent rate the state reported in February.
Oregon could have the highest unemployment rate in the nation. The federal government will release updated unemployment statistics on Friday. As of last month, Michigan led the country with an unemployment rate of 12 percent, according to the U.S. Department of Labor. South Carolina was second, with an unemployment rate of 11 percent. Oregon had the third-highest percentage.
The state lost 14,000 jobs last month after losing 22,800 in February. The state’s rate has now risen in each of the last 14 months. The January 2008 rate was 5.3 percent.
More than 256,400 Oregonians were unemployed last month, compared to 115,629 a year earlier.
“Unemployment in Oregon has more than doubled since last summer and while that creates enormous budget challenges for the state, we can’t lose site of the fact that 12.1 percent unemployment represents 256,000 real people,” said State Sen. Peter Courtney, the Senate’s president, in a statement. “Runaway unemployment has created anxious times for families all across Oregon, and not just for people who have lost their jobs. Families who are struggling to make ends meet now are also burdened with the worry that their job could be the next one cut.”
SF Chronicle
State revenue falls far short of projections
Wyatt Buchanan, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, April 14, 2009
(04-14) 04:00 PDT Sacramento –
In another sign that the California government’s money problems appear to be deepening, two reports show that the state’s revenue in March fell hundreds of millions of dollars short of estimates in the 2-month-old budget.
The reports come as Wednesday’s income-tax filing deadline looms, perhaps the year’s most important week for revenue in the state - when more than a billion dollars a day can flow into state coffers.
“These numbers clearly reflect the fact that we are working our way through the most significant economic downturn in years,” said H.D. Palmer, spokesman for the California Department of Finance.
The agency reported Monday that the state’s revenue was $415 million below what was forecast in the budget deal in mid-February. For the year, the budget is off by $737 million, according to the finance department.
Those estimates come on the heels of a report Friday from State Controller John Chiang that found revenue down $178 million for the month.
State officials said the numbers are reported in different ways, but they generally balance at the end of the year. The finance department reports receipt of money that has not yet been recorded by the controller, Palmer said.
The shortfall comes as unemployment continues to rise, new home construction is faltering and home prices continue to fall.
Don’t forget to file your taxes tomorrow, especially if you work for the Treasury Department
At tax time, cases like Geithner’s raise pointed questions
Some taxpayers — and even some in the IRS — resent what appears to be a double standard that favors powerful people like Cabinet nominees.
By Tom Hamburger and Ralph Vartabedian
April 15, 2009
Reporting from Los Angeles and Washington — The Treasury secretary, who oversees the IRS, initially didn’t pay all his taxes. Neither did five other top nominees for the Obama administration or their spouses. Now, as tonight’s tax deadline looms, some Americans are rhetorically asking: What would have happened to me if I had done the same thing?
The resentful reaction to such disclosures resonates not just among the anti-tax people organizing protests around the country today, but in low- and high-income neighborhoods of cities like Los Angeles — and even in the hallways of the Internal Revenue Service.
The most criticized example of nominees with tax problems has been Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner, who owed $34,000 in payroll and Social Security taxes from 2001 and 2002, and didn’t pay all of it until Obama nominated him. But five other nominees had similar tax issues — as recently as two weeks ago, when Kathleen Sebelius, Obama’s pick to run Health and Human Services, admitted she had discovered she owed the Treasury $7,070 from 2005 to 2007.
“Our members are upset and angry,” said Colleen Kelley, president of the National Treasury Employees Union, referring to concern bubbling up inside the IRS over unusually strict rules that can cost IRS agents their jobs if they make a mistake, whereas Geithner and others are treated with relative leniency. In addition, the Geithner case is making the work of IRS compliance agents a bit harder, she said.
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Hong Kong’s H share Index slides 1.6% in opening minutes
ECONOMIC REPORT
Australia’s leading growth index falls to 26-year low
By Myra P. Saefong, MarketWatch
Last update: 10:17 p.m. EDT April 14, 2009
TOKYO (MarketWatch) — A leading economic index for Australia fell in February to its weakest level in more than two decades, pointing to a possible heavy contraction for the nation’s economy, according to data released Wednesday.
The headline month-on-month rate contracted 0.3% in February from January to an annualized rate of 5.1%.
That result for the index, compiled by Westpac Banking Corp. and the Melbourne Institute, was the lowest level since September 1982, according to reports. The annualized rate, meanwhile, was well below the long-term trend of 2.9%.
The index is meant to signal the likely pace of economic activity in three to nine months into the future.
Westpac now expects the Australian economy to contract by 1% in 2009 — the first time it would do so since World War II, according to chief economist Bill Evans. But Westpac also predicted that will be the low point of the cycle.
But “the current rapid deterioration in the growth rate of the leading index points to downside risk for that forecast,” Evans said.
A bear could gorge himself to the point of gluttony on the amount of bad economic news that is spilling out into the global main stream media today. Nonetheless, our fearless economic leaders see green shoots where I only see collapse. Good on them to be such visionaries!
I suggest Goldman Sachs should be required to pay back their AIG jackpot winnings as a condition for repaying TARP monies.
Wall Street Journal
* REVIEW & OUTLOOK
* APRIL 15, 2009
The Goldman Two-Step
Freedom from TARP, but not exactly swearing off all federal help.
So Goldman Sachs now wants to repay its $10 billion in taxpayer capital, with its CFO even saying the Wall Street giant has a “duty” to do so now that it is once again turning a nice profit. Congratulations to Goldman on its desire to escape federal bondage. The question taxpayers might still ask, however, is whether Goldie is also willing to forswear a bailout when it next gets into trouble. Is it still “too big to fail”?
It is certainly a good sign that one of the bigger banks is eager and able to leave the clutches of the political class. The Washington crowd wants to hide its own role in the financial crackup — supereasy money, Fannie and Freddie — so it has taken to blaming the bankers, and the Troubled Asset Relief Program is its velvet truncheon. The sooner every bank can safely escape Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, the faster we can restore a capitalist financial system.
On the other hand, Goldman isn’t exactly swearing off all Beltway help. The firm has benefited enormously from the federal bailout, and many of our sources believe Goldman would have failed without it. Goldman denies this, claiming in particular that the firm had “no material economic exposure to AIG” at the time of the insurer’s collapse.
There’s no denying, however, that Goldman has been among the largest recipients of AIG cash since the bailout. Goldman is getting the same terms as AIG’s other counterparties, but the partnership of AIG and the Federal Reserve has been a lot nicer to Goldman than AIG was as an independent firm. Without a functioning AIG able to post additional collateral, Goldman might have struggled to hedge its AIG exposure. Instead, government-owned AIG, in cooperation with the Fed, has removed almost all of Goldman’s risk on its contracts with AIG.
Case-Shiller Housing Price Index & Futures (Bid) Prices for San Diego:
January 2000 = 100.0
November 2005 = 250.34 (150.34 percent increase in 6 years)
January 2009 = 148.25 (40.8 percent decline off the peak in 3 years)
August 2010 CME Futures Bid Price = 122.0 (17.7 percent further decline off January 2009 level)
Why would anyone buy a home now in San Diego when futures markets participants are predicting a double-digit decline over the next year? If the median now is $326,000, a 17.7 percent further decline would suggest you could buy the same house next summer for only (100-17.7)% * $326,000 = $268,000. There has never been a better time to keep on renting!