April 22, 2009

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Comment by jeff saturday
2009-04-22 04:49:34

By DON JORDAN

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Tuesday, April 21, 2009

BOYNTON BEACH — City hall will be closed on Friday, June 12.

And every Friday after that for the foreseeable future.

City commissioners approved a new four-day work week that will eliminate most city services on Fridays. Employees will work four, 10-hour days and city hall will be open an additional hour each day Monday to Thursday, under the new schedule.

According to city officials, moving to the four-day week will save about $150,000 yearly in utility, custodial and fuel costs.

The city is bracing for an estimated budget deficit of as much as $16 million - more than one-fifth of this year’s general fund budget - due to shrinking revenue from property taxes and other sources.

Comment by Mike in Miami
2009-04-22 05:35:37

I had to get the color of my new paint job approved. As long as we can still afford to pay city inspectors to worry about the color of paint jobs there seems to be a lot of fat we can cut off municipal budgets.

Comment by skroodle
2009-04-22 06:22:26

I’ve been to Miami - that inspector must be color blind too.

 
Comment by Asparagus
2009-04-22 06:23:36

Are you serious?

Are you in a historic district or a national heritage home?

Comment by Mike in Miami
2009-04-22 06:30:35

Nope, no historic district. Just a decent n’hood with pretty plain houses. Mine is a 2/2 with 1600 sqft build in 1937. Decent house but nothing to get too excited about.

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Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-04-22 06:08:44

I’m going to a branch office of our county clerk today, to release a lien from paying off a second mortgage. I hope they still remember how to do that ;)

$5.00 First page
$5.00 Archival fee
$5.00 Preservation fee
$1.00 Courthouse security fee

I wonder if this is ala carte.
Gee, I could “file” it but they wouldn’t bother to “preserve” it?

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-04-22 08:36:08

“Archiving” something without “preserving” it is an interesting concept. What exactly is the purpose of archives again?

Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-04-22 13:52:51

Turns out we pay fees so all the old records can be preserved in their moldy Houston caverns ;)

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Comment by az_lender
2009-04-22 19:36:01

A fee of $15 or so seems pretty standard to record a mortgage, a release, whatever — in most of the jurisdictions where I’ve done business. It does seem more annoying when they try to break it into silly little pieces. Kind of like all the crazy taxes on your phone bill.

 
 
Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2009-04-22 07:17:11

as local-states cut “services” has anyone noticed ?
schools are now babbysitting and welfare distribution pints etc………….

chop heads !

Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-04-22 12:15:49

……And the schools are running extra Spanish classes for the illegal immigrant “anchor babies”

Seems that they know how to speak “Mexican Spanish”, but they don’t know how to read or write it.

(True Spaniards I’ve met tell me “Mexican Spanish” is significantly different than the “Spanish” spoken in Spain).

Another example of what happens when the “Utopians” (of whatever political/economic persuasion) dictate policy from their lofty perches, and never worry about what happens out where the rubber meets the road, aka “Unintended Consequencesland”

 
 
 
Comment by polly
2009-04-22 04:52:07

NPR just reported that the head of Freddie Mac was found dead at his home, an apparent suicide. Confirm?

Comment by Michael Fink
2009-04-22 04:59:04

Most of the MSM outlets are on it yet, however, I found a VA newspaper that is running with the story:

http://www.wusa9.com/news/breaking/story.aspx?storyid=84706&catid=158

Looks legit to me; that’s a real news outlet, I’m calling it confirmed. :)

Comment by Lucy
2009-04-22 05:51:51

He’s definitely dead, but I think its too early to confirm that it was suicide.

Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-04-22 06:44:10

Freddie Mac Chief David Kellerman Commits Suicide

NEW YORK (WCBS 880 / AP) — Farifax, VA police tell CBS TV affiliate WUSA in Washington DC the acting head of Freddie Mac, David Kellerman, has committed suicide.

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-04-22 08:22:43

Awesome!!!

Best news I’ve heard all month.

Mood Music: Jump, Jump by Kriss Kross

 
Comment by In Colorado
2009-04-22 08:29:27

Best news I’ve heard all month

Or it could be a sign that the really big caca is about to hit the fan.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-04-22 08:58:13

It is. Something really massive is coming.

In the grand scheme of things, CFO’s tend to be “relatively” honest. Basically, they’re accountants.There’s only so much crap they can pull. They know this. But they tend also to be relatively staid. Grandiose gestures like offing yourself doesn’t fit the accountant personality type.

Hence, something bad is coming up.

 
Comment by wittbelle
2009-04-22 09:07:49

What do you all “in the know” suppose is coming around the bend that would precipitate this man taking his own life? It has to be pretty scandalous! Does anyone have any ideas?

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-04-22 09:11:41

Alt-A.

It’s obviously a total guess but an informed one.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 13:41:12

No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manner of thine own
Or of thine friend’s were.
Each man’s death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.

–John Donne–

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 13:42:24

“Something really massive is coming.”

Should we expect to receive a housing ‘buy signal’ at that point?

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-04-22 15:19:04

Dancing on this poor guy’s grave is ghoulish and sick. I’m no fan of Freddy Mac or Fannie May, but there shouldn’t be a rush to judgement on this or any individual Freddy/Fanny employee until the facts come out. Even if he was guilty of wrongdoing - and nobody should be making that assumption without firm evidence - his suicide is a tragedy.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-04-22 15:30:58

+1 Sammy

 
Comment by Dani W
2009-04-22 15:37:54

Thank you Sammy.

 
Comment by exeter
2009-04-22 17:45:57

Bingo Sammy.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-04-22 19:40:17

Sammy, where is your Schadenfreude ?!

OK, we don’t know that this particular guy was an Awful Person, but in a symbolic way, I feel triply vindicated, as my income derives almost entirely from notes that Fannie and Freddie wouldn’t have bought if they could’ve. (Trailer trash etc.)

 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-04-22 09:25:06

Surely you’re not implying that our Dear Leaders would have somebody whacked before they could spill the beans? That’s NEVER happened before… hahaha… right.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-04-22 10:42:55

Vince Foster also committed suicide.

Right?

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-04-22 12:31:31

Well, if it isn’t correct, then what say you about all the others in history that ’suddenly died’? Shall we go into all the disappearances of folks who were just about to go on the stand and testify?
I too think something is definitely coming to the fore, shortly.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by polly
2009-04-22 05:07:24

Sorry. CFO. David Kellerman.

Comment by wmbz
2009-04-22 05:10:31

Acting head of Freddie Mac commits suicide
April 22, 2009 - 8:02am

David Kellermann
RESTON, Va. — The acting head of Freddie Mac, David Kellermann, has apparently committed suicide, Fairfax County Police tell WTOP.

Fairfax County Police spokeswoman Mary Anne Jennings says Kellermann, 41, was found at his Hunter Mill Estates home Wednesday morning.

Jennings says police responded to the home after family members called police around 5 a.m.

“We were called from inside the house to come investigate an apparent suicide,” Jennings says.

Because of legal ramifications, Jennings says she can’t describe the nature of the suicide.

“We’re not to give you details of the condition of the body, except to say it was an apparent suicide,” Jennings says.

A final determination that his death was a suicide will come from a medical examiner.

According to Freddie Mac’s Web site, Kellermann has been with Freddie Mac for more than 16 years.

He was named acting director of the agency in September 2008.

(Copyright 2009 by WTOP. All Rights Reserved.)
RESTON, Va. — The acting head of Freddie Mac, David Kellermann, has apparently committed suicide, Fairfax County Police tell WTOP.

Fairfax County Police spokeswoman Mary Anne Jennings says Kellermann, 41, was found at his Hunter Mill Estates home Wednesday morning.

Jennings says police responded to the home after family members called police around 5 a.m.

“We were called from inside the house to come investigate an apparent suicide,” Jennings says.

Because of legal ramifications, Jennings says she can’t describe the nature of the suicide.

“We’re not to give you details of the condition of the body, except to say it was an apparent suicide,” Jennings says.

A final determination that his death was a suicide will come from a medical examiner.

According to Freddie Mac’s
Web site, Kellermann has been with Freddie Mac for more than 16 years.

He was named acting director of the agency in September 2008.

Comment by Muggy
2009-04-22 07:11:37

Every one, tip your 40 oz. for Kellerman…

NOT

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-04-22 07:17:24

One for me, one for my GSE homie.

 
Comment by rusty
2009-04-22 09:45:50

Wonder if Obama will do some gallows humor laughing again over this one?

 
 
Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2009-04-22 07:42:56

Yeah, I’m sure this is indicative that everything is going really well at Fannie and the turnaround is right around the corner… I wonder what he found?

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Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2009-04-22 08:14:32

Sorry, ‘everything is going really well at FREDDIE’.

What about this snippet: “Kellermann, 41, lived in Hunter Mill Estates, a well-off neighborhood of large single-family homes with manicured lawns. County records show Kellermann’s home is worth about $900,000.”

Maybe he was upside-down on his mortgage? Should’ve called DITECH!

 
Comment by polly
2009-04-22 08:48:13

Washington Post article has short slide show with picture of the house. It looks big, but not stupid big, if you know what I mean.

 
Comment by bink
2009-04-22 09:29:31

I’m familiar with the area. Housing there hasn’t really decreased that much yet. It’s a well to-do area, obviously. If he was underwater it wasn’t by much.

 
Comment by mattR
2009-04-22 11:28:40

You can’t buy a single family home in Fairfax for less than $500,000. $900,000 is probably a good sized, fairly nice house. 10x local household income.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Joe Schmoe
2009-04-22 06:01:04

It’s insensitive, but

…give the man a bonus!

Comment by NoSingleOne
2009-04-22 06:30:09

Sen. Chuck Grassley thought Seppuku was appropriate for AIG’s board…and Madoff, well we should be so lucky.

Comment by Sleepr Cell
2009-04-22 06:59:07

Yes, Its more than a little sadistic but I agree with you completely. ;-)

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Comment by Muggy
2009-04-22 07:12:49

“…give the man a bonus!”

LMFAO!

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-04-22 06:28:33

The body count of crooked-bank execs and the actual recovery are inversely proportional.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-04-22 07:30:45

I’d say we’re off to a good start.

What was that joke about one dead lawyer? I think pretty much any lawyer joke could have banker/mortgage broker/ceo substituted in and get laughs these days.

 
Comment by nhz
2009-04-22 07:56:51

congratulations I guess … although it could also mean there was still a bit of decency left.

unfortunately in Netherlands, the major gangster responsible for high profile RE shootings is in court nowadays, awaiting his sentence. And it is to early in the game for suicides, although the RE mob is getting a bit panicky here.

Comment by bink
2009-04-22 08:03:33

High profile RE shootings? What’s going on over there?

Comment by nhz
2009-04-22 08:13:17

billions of black money from drugs trade have been invested in Dutch real estate over the years; that was fine (and awesome for the legal RE mob) until some people started to worry about the return of their money, leading to frequent drive-by shooting of high profile RE people (realtors, lawyers and their less legal friends) in the Amsterdam area.

trouble for the authorities is that many politicians and very wealthy people seem to be involved, because they were also ‘banking’ with the gangsters. One of the shadow banksters under eavy suspicion is the former business partner of Neely Smit-Kroes, one of the most powerful politicians in the EU.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 08:55:15

“…billions of black money from drugs trade have been invested in Dutch real estate over the years;…”

I keep waiting for this same story to break regarding San Diego real estate!

 
Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-04-22 10:25:37

I’m sensing some frustration with the legal system from legit (and non-legit) business owners.

Was talking with one of our suppliers yesterday. Related the story of how one of his customers stiffed him for $30K, refused to work it out, fought the guy in court for two years, then filed bankruptcy when the court case went against him.

Says that if he is gets the news that he has six months to live, he’s going to be making a road trup with his baseball bat.

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-04-23 04:45:06

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 08:55:15
“…billions of black money from drugs trade have been invested in Dutch real estate over the years;…”

I keep waiting for this same story to break regarding San Diego real estate!
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Not sure if you’re joking, but I think this is a very real possibility. Been hearing so many stories about all these “cash” buyers popping up all over the place, and the timing coincides with all the drug cartel crimes going on.

Also, it looks like there might be some of the same stuff going on in the boat industry (large boats/yachts, seemingly overpriced, being sold for cash recently). I’ve heard anecdotally that some various “cash” buyers will go through a single person to buy this stuff on their behalf. I imagine they have their own “contracts” written behind the scenes.

 
 
 
 
Comment by waiting_in_la
2009-04-22 08:18:06

confirmed. biting my tongue not to make a snarky comment.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-04-22 08:24:21

Oh, you’re so staid and proper. BORING.

Just go hang yourself!

Comment by DinOR
2009-04-22 08:38:58

After reading the comments, I think we’re kind of missing the point. True… this individual was very definitely a company man ( after all he’d been there 16 years ) but in a sad way, I kind of identify w/ him?

We come here and joke and share stories abour FB’s ( sometimes w/ false bravado ) and yet each of us feels the -entire- weight of this thing upon our ‘own’ shoulders.

Some nervous laughter may not be entirely inappropriate, I suppose that’s why they call it “gallows humor” but I find it sad while Fannie ended up being the loan boneyard, any person appointed to a position of authority -after- the implosion would take that much personal accountability? Look NAHB, NAR, MBA, we don’t need your human sacrifices! We need answers! IMHO.

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-04-22 08:49:38

Sorry, we’re missing nothing.

We want our pound of schadenfreude. At least, I do.

These criminals got us into this mess. I demand vengeance.

We’ve already stared into the abyss. Now’s our time to have some fun. I’d even p_ss on his grave if I could.

 
Comment by cougar91
2009-04-22 11:20:05

>We’ve already stared into the abyss. Now’s our time to have some fun. I’d even p_ss on his grave if I could.

Shaking my head. Guess being a nameless poster on the Net allows some people to write whatever he wants to without any consequence whatsoever.

I am sure you could find out where this guy is going to be buried soon enough. If you really mean what you say why don’t you just show up at his funeral and do that in front of the deceased man’s family? That will really take it to them, right? After all I am sure they all deserve it.

 
Comment by Will
2009-04-22 11:23:52

I quite agree DinOr. The real crooks are on their yachts in the Bahamas, their accountant drops on his sword.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-04-22 11:47:40

Will,

Right, it’s almost like the re-make of Fun With Dick and Jane where Jim Carrey gets that “great promotion” just in time to take the fall for his high tailing former superiors?

It’s funny when it happens in a movie? Maybe that’s where they got the idea?

 
Comment by ahansen
2009-04-22 12:31:28

DinOR,

I too am saddened to read all the rather unseemly gloating here. Normally I’d be joining in, but I think you hit it on the head–this mess is a tragedy of immense order that involves us all, and laughing off its victims is as arrogant as the elitism that spawned it.

This guy was a soldier, not a general, and he had a young family and presumably people who cared for and depended on him. What he represents is, of course, reprehensible to us. But John Donne and all that….
Thanks for your humanity in this.

 
Comment by SoFla
2009-04-22 12:49:58

I agree that all of the gloating is making me cringe. He had children. And he wasn’t the architect of all of this housing mess. He was a person - a father of young children. I can’t imagine the pain that he must have been going through to end his life. I hope none of you ever experience it - and if you do, I hope no one laughs at you where your children could find it on the internet.

 
Comment by wittbelle
2009-04-22 13:57:43

If he were merely falling on a sword, couldn’t he turn state’s evidence, save himself and help get the real culprits? Clearly, there was no way out for this guy, as far as he could see. He had blood on his hands that could not be washed off. He was culpable. Whether it was because he lied or they lied and he swore to it makes no difference. Something is about to come down and he knew he was going to be in the sh!t.

 
Comment by Mrs. Wheezer
2009-04-22 14:40:21

Assuming that his suicide was job-related at all…

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-04-22 15:30:29

I too am saddened to read all the rather unseemly gloating here.

Well said, ahanson, and thanks for being one of the consciences of this board. I thought we as a group had more decency than to rush to judgment on this CFO, or make mocking comments on a tragic death. Yes, I know a lot of people in places like Freddie Mac have a lot to answer for, but to cheer the fact that people are driven to such a point of despair or desperation that they’d take their own lives, is just plain sick.

 
Comment by neuromance
2009-04-22 19:03:28

I’m not going to have some politically correct public grieving for thieves. If this man was complicit in the wiping out of billions of dollars of people’s wealth, and the beggaring of many others, if he was one of the engineers of this debacle, I’m not going to weep crocodile tears.

If he was complicit, he did the honorable thing.

 
 
 
Comment by milkcrate
2009-04-22 08:38:18

+1.
Laughing at suicide may indicate a dark oversoul.
(Though still big freedom of speech guy.)

Comment by cereal
2009-04-22 13:21:01

At least he didn’t off his whole family.

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Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-04-22 09:18:38

I wonder… Did he REALLY do himself in, or was he “removed from the board” by more powerful players before he could rat out the crooks in charge?

Lots of powerful cronies wrapped up in Fannie and Freddie… Hey, weren’t the Clintons - masters of “suicides and accidents” - involved in Fannie and Freddie, too?

Comment by DinOR
2009-04-22 09:25:19

Pondering The Mess,

( And what an appropriate screen name for all of this? ) I’m not ready to go there yet? Besides, it’s been my experience that CFO’s typically don’t know jack about what’s really going on at a company.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-04-22 11:40:06

Let’s not forget ol Franklin Delano “Frank” Raines, the former head of Fannie Mae when it “lost” something like $12 BILLION through “accounting errors.”

For which he was paid millions.

Naw, no conspiracies here!

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-04-22 15:32:48

Seek help.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-04-22 16:11:05

Are you saying that Mr. Raines did NOT lose those billions or was NOT paid million more than his specified salary or was NOT prosecuted?

All of which are fact and on record?

Perhaps I have the wrong idea of “facts on the record” and should seek help. Maybe you’re right…

NOT! :lol:

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Comment by Rancher
2009-04-22 18:24:02

Was there a note? If not, the guy was capped.

 
 
Comment by bink
2009-04-22 10:34:14

More details are coming out. He started with the company 16 years ago as a financial analyst and then worked his way up to become VP of risk management (no joke), before being promoted to acting CFO. Who thought it would be a good idea to promote the VP of risk management to be acting CFO of a failing firm?

Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-04-22 12:19:05

The Peter Principle.

VP of Risk Management……..fine job, Brownie.

Time for a promotion.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-04-22 11:34:55

Consider this:

He was the ACTING CFO. Why would he kill himself if he found something wrong with the books? After all, he wouldn’t have been responsible, would he?

Although DC does have this bad habit of killing, er prosecuting the messenger, er whistle blower.

Keep an eye for more “convenient suicides” in the future. And let’s not forget the ones that have already happened.

Comment by Rental Watch
2009-04-22 16:53:32

I read in one place where his neighbors were concerned about the stress he was under, and thought he should quit.

It could be that he was a criminal and didn’t want to get caught.

Or it could be that he was under unbelievable stress and pressure, and rather than Madoff’ing it (simply not caring at all about the damage that was being done by his organization and letting it roll of his slippery back), he internalized all of it, was overwhelmed psychologically and snapped.

In any event, I don’t wish death on anyone. If the guy was guilty of a crime, I would have preferred a nighly perp walk on the 6 O’Clock news and a long stay in a different kind of “big house”.

 
 
 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2009-04-22 05:04:15

As Andrew Bergman has shown, the fantasy world of the movies played a critical social and psychological function for Depression era Americans: In the face of economic disaster, it kept alive a belief in the possibility of individual success, portrayed a government capable of protecting its citizens from external threats, and sustained a vision of America as a classless society. Again and again, Hollywood repeated the same formulas: A poor boy from the slums uses crime as a perverted ladder of success. A back row chorus girl rises to the lead through luck and pluck. A G-man restores law and order. A poor boy and a rich girl meet, go through wacky adventures, and fall in love. Out of these simple plots, Hollywood restored faith in individual initiative, in the efficacy of government, and in a common American identity transcending social class.

http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/historyonline/hollywood_great_depression.cfm

Been trying to be all cultural-like and all until mud season is over and it’s safe to be outdoors again. Anyone aware of any recent pop culture cinema/literature/art that has been inspired by the current downturn (such as the recently featured documentary)? I was thinking how box office receipts are up right now, and during GD I the movie industry was one that did relatively well.

Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-04-22 06:04:19

Sigh. (paraphrasing Heinlein) For anyone who can simultaneously believe in… restored faith in individual initiative, in the efficacy of government with examples like: “A poor boy from the slums uses crime as a perverted ladder of success”… well, have I got a bridge I would like to sell them ;)

 
Comment by Asparagus
2009-04-22 06:31:05

Check out a story from NPR’s Here and Now show that broadcast yesterday. Very interesting:

Hereandnow [dot] org

A description:
When “Ugly Betty’s” magazine diva Wilhelmina has to forego her midday caviar for almonds, you know the economy’s bad. But how far will network TV go? One reality show in development has workers voting on who gets laid off. Our guest is Baltimore Sun television critic,

 
Comment by Skip
2009-04-22 07:33:20

Movie tickets were also a lot cheaper than today. Inflation adjusted, it was only $3.50 a ticket.

Video games seem to be extremely popular as well at $60 a pop.

Comment by bluprint
2009-04-22 07:45:19

Video games will in part take the place of movies if we have another GD. Comparing hours of entertainment you get a lot more bang for the buck with video games.

 
Comment by polly
2009-04-22 08:16:54

Regular TV is probably the real substitute, especially the reality shows with some sort of cash prize at the end. Plenty of escapism there.

Unfortunately it also leads people to borrow to try to get what they see on TV. Hasn’t Top Chef and the like upped the number of people in culinary schools?

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2009-04-22 12:48:16

Hollywood succeeded through the GD because it sold dreams. Escape. (Also, movie theaters offered air conditioning on hot afternoons for the price of a then-cheap ticket.) Frothy fantasies of heiresses and high balls, far from being “classless” allowed the general public to experience a bit of the glamour they imagined might be hidden behind the gates of the very wealthy…whether or not it bore any semblance of truth.

Right now people want reassurance. I’m bracing for a spate of insipid, feel-good stories of pluck and luck a la “Slumdog Millionaire.” Also a resurgence of chop-socky/UFC melodrama–at least until a new Paddy Cheyevsky emerges.

If you’re thinking of investing in studio productions, don’t.

 
Comment by Pullthetrigger?
2009-04-22 16:32:30

Since when has it been an option not to study economics? Buyer beware!

 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-04-22 05:06:48

CNN website link- Freddie Mac Acting CEO found dead:
http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=84706&catid=158

Comment by AZgolfer
2009-04-22 05:47:42

You guys beat me to the story about Feddy Mac’s CFO - I just saw the story on Fox News. I was about to post the story. I bet there are alot more suicides over this whole housing mess that we will never hear about. When the CEO of Morgages Lt. killed himself last year in Phoenix I knew things must be getting serious.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-04-22 05:07:45

Worst foreclosure rates found in 4 states
Report finds Calif, Fla., Ariz. Nevada have 26 cities with worst foreclosure rates
Wednesday April 22, 2009, 6:45 am

WASHINGTON (AP) — The 26 U.S. cities with the worst foreclosure problems are concentrated in four states — California, Florida, Arizona and Nevada, a report released Wednesday shows.

The report on foreclosures for the first quarter by RealtyTrac Inc. said the highest foreclosure rates were found in Las Vegas, Merced, Calif. and the Cape Coral-Fort Myers area in Florida. Next on the list were the California metro areas of Stockton, Riverside, Modesto, Bakersfield and Vallejo-Fairfield.

Rounding out the top 10 were Phoenix and Port St. Lucie, Fla. Outside of the four high-foreclosure states, the worst foreclosure rates were in Boise City, Idaho (No. 27) and Greeley, Colo. (No. 29).

The number of American households threatened with losing their homes grew 24 percent in the first three months of this year and is poised to rise further as major lenders restart foreclosures after a temporary break.

Nationwide, nearly 804,000 homes received at least one foreclosure-related notice from January through March, up from about 650,000 in the same period a year earlier, RealtyTrac said last week.

The big unknown for the coming months is President Barack Obama’s plan to help up to 9 million borrowers avoid foreclosure through refinanced mortgages or modified loans.

The Obama administration expects it to make a big dent in the foreclosure crisis. But it remains to be seen whether the lending industry will fully embrace the efforts, despite a promise of $75 billion in incentive payments.

Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-04-22 06:10:15

“Fully Embrace” or “Mark To Market”! Your Choice!

(The modern version of “The floggings will continue until morale improves!” )

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-04-22 06:23:11

The country should just pay Fiat to take these states along with Chrysler. A couple trillion dollars should be enough to sweeten the deal. If Fiat won’t bite, the Chinese might be interested but I suspect they are on to us already and are too weary of our scams.

 
Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2009-04-22 07:36:42

Yeah, FLORIDA!! We’re # 2! We’re # 2! We’re # 2!

Comment by Michael Fink
2009-04-22 10:34:41

How long will the other 46 states stand for paying for the disaster that we’ve made of the 4 worst offenders. Especially since EVERY single one of those states is a relatively high cost place to live (even in normal times) and in “nice” parts of the country. How long do you think that the poor guy in Detroit is going to stand paying for morons to live in Palm Beach and Palm Springs?

The middle of the country is are really the biggest losers in this entire mess; they got no benefit from the housing bubble, get to pay for as much of it as anyone, and their home values never went up (that much) but are now going down just as much as the “crackhead” areas.

How long will they put up with it? There’s FAR more people living in “poor” parts of the country then in the “rich” parts. And it’s the rich parts that primarily are in need of a few trillion dollars for bailouts.

 
 
 
Comment by GeorgeSalt
2009-04-22 05:07:47

From this morning’s Washington Post: “In Notes Left in Family’s Killings, Md. Man Details Debts, Depression”

The man who killed his wife and three young children and then himself in a tiny town in northwest Maryland last week was at least $460,000 in debt and owned a Florida house that was in foreclosure, according to property records and police.

The Woods were unable to sell the home in Jacksonville, Fla., and their mortgage was “way beyond their capability to pay,” he said.

Records show that the family bought the Florida home in 2005 with virtually no money down, taking on a $208,000 mortgage. The next year, the Woods took out a second mortgage for $108,000.

According to investigators, Francie Billotti-Wood, 33, and the couple’s 5-year-old son, Chandler, were each shot twice in the head with a .25-caliber handgun. Chandler’s younger brother, 4-year-old Gavin, was shot three times; daughter Fiona, 2, was shot once.

After they were shot, their throats were slashed almost to the point of decapitation, officials said. Wood killed himself with a shotgun.

Several experts said slayings of entire families by fathers and husbands are often associated with economic hardship.

Comment by InMontana
2009-04-22 08:02:58

Yeah because they know their families just can’t live without them…

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-04-22 09:29:20

Proof that debt pushers every bit as dangerous as drug pushers.

Trouble is, debt pushers encompass a huge portion of the population. They go beyond the clueless UHS or sleazy car salesman - and often include friends, coworkers, the gov’t, and even family.

Comment by milkcrate
2009-04-22 10:51:12

Interesting perspective, edge. Never thought of it that way.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-04-22 11:49:07

As I posted yesterday, you cannot live in this country without having some kind of debt.

Comment by ahansen
2009-04-22 12:58:03

Yes you can.

It’s not necessarily pretty or convenient, but it’s entirely possible to live in this country without debt. I suspect a fair number of us at HBB live without any personal debt whatsoever.
Now, if you’re counting each individual’s share of the GND, that’s another story.

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-04-22 16:19:37

No, you can’t.

The tiny minority who can are statistical outliers.

 
Comment by jbunniii
2009-04-22 17:56:41

The tiny minority who can are statistical outliers.

Are you counting rent as “debt”? If not, then I certainly qualify as part of this “tiny” minority, and I bet the majority of regulars on this blog do, as well.

Many retirees are also debt-free.

 
 
Comment by Pullthetrigger?
2009-04-22 16:51:57

Not true. I am totally debt free, except for using my cards to keep up my credit score. Here’s some advice: Use your credit cards, especially the long standing ones. Pay half on the first month then pay the other half in the second. This way you give them money and they don’t consider you a ” deadbeat” (One who doesn’t use credit, duh!)

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Comment by jbunniii
2009-04-22 18:07:31

Pay half on the first month then pay the other half in the second.

Why would you do this? You will pay interest if you don’t pay the entire balance in full each month.

Paying in full each month keeps your credit score at least as high as what you proposed. I haven’t paid any interest/carried a balance since the early 1990s, and my credit score is about 820. I do use both of my cards each month so an on-time payment will be reflected.

 
 
 
 
Comment by NoVa Sideliner
2009-04-22 12:20:12

Really sad. I knew them. Seriously. My kid’s upset. I’m upset.

And yes, economic problems definitely were “linked”, but Chris had some problems in his head; the average Joe wouldn’t have gone off like he did but would have instead gone to a lawyer and let the house go and pursued whatever bankruptcy solution was available.

I’m not privy to all the family’s problems, but it was my impression that his employer was going to buy his house in FL after he transferred, but “the deal fell through”, as the media says. I suspect it’s because the firm would buy it at appraised market value, and since he’d pulled so much money out that he was upside down, he’d have to bring $100k to the table. Utterly impossible with their spending and (non)savings habits.

So sad, so sad. I imagine that here was a lot of domestic tension due to finances, but we didn’t see it manifested. (She didn’t work in a paying career job recently but spent endless hours volunteering, and her kids had the best clothes you can imagine, and always organic-expensive foods. I thnk that gnawed on him.) Yet surely tension had to be there ina big way, hence his striving for stressful job moves he really didn’t want to do.

In the end, the whole thing that crushes me is that these were the most lively, cute, polite little kids. I cannot imagine a real man doing that to someone as innocent as they were. Even the most dire of economic straits doesn’t do that; it’s just pure evil. There’s a special place in Hell…

Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2009-04-22 14:24:27

I am so sorry NoVa Sideliner, not only that you have to deal with that situation but that you have to help a child get through it which must be even tougher. I can’t imagine knowing three innocent children who are slain so brutally. I hope you and your family are doing ok and you and your neighbors get the support you need. We’ll be here for you if you need anything.

Hugs, SD Bear

Comment by NoVa Sideliner
2009-04-24 07:55:48

Thanks for the thoughts, SDBear and SFBAGal and CARenter. Much appreciated.

And we’re coping well enough, better than some of the people who live right near them. (That’s the first murder in that town in history, bit of a shock.) The kids are doing better than you’d expect, actually. I think they don’t quite understand the permanence of the situation with their friend, and nobody has clued them in on the brutality. Now if the media would just go away…

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-04-22 15:35:11

I too am sorry to hear about what happened. I can’t add anything more to say. San Diego RE Bear said it so much better.

 
 
Comment by Pullthetrigger?
2009-04-22 16:45:00

well, duh, the fathers finally see what’s coming and know that they don’t want their loved ones to suffer. I go back and forth on this issue. Sort of like a delayed abortion, if you will.

Comment by CA renter
2009-04-23 05:31:05

I seriously hope you are joking, right?

There is NEVER any excuse for killing innocent family members — or any innocent people, obviously.

This kind of crime is so deranged and disgusting, IMHO.

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NoVa,

So sorry to hear your story. It is such a sad, sad situation. I cannot imagine how horrible this must be to those who knew them.

 
 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-04-22 05:15:36

Do you think someone was going to make him a scapegoat? I mean, the guy was just 41, and with Freddie Mac for 16 yrs. Something doesn’t jive. I hope to God, they didn’t have kids.

Comment by James
2009-04-22 05:34:41

Yeah. I don’t know.. fraud… depression… shame. Who knows?

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-04-22 07:08:56

Freddie Mac CFO-Heard he hung himself in the basement (radio). At least he didn’t leave a bloody mess.

Comment by mikey
2009-04-22 08:19:24

David Kellermann, Acting Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President of Freddie Mac, was found dead this morning.

He worked for Freddie Mac, he may have hung himself but rest assured he left a bloody mess.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-04-22 08:26:36

Police were called to the home at 4:48 a.m., reportedly by Mr. Kellermann’s family. His body was taken away by the Fairfax Coroners Office shortly before 9 a.m. By then, the large home about 20 minutes outside Washington was surrounded by eight television trucks and about two dozen reporters. When a neighbor in a car inquired what had happened, and was told of Mr. Kellermann’s death, she began screaming and drove away.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

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Comment by MrBubble
2009-04-22 14:03:10

Hung = hanged unless he just had a big schwantz and shot himself. :smile:

“They said you was hung!”

“And they was right!”

–Blazing Saddles

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Comment by lonestarQT
2009-04-22 07:24:01

Neighbor interviewed on FNC said they had a 5 or 6 year old daughter…

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-04-22 07:33:15

That sucks. Poor kid.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-04-22 07:43:38

Back in jr. high, a classmate killed herself with a gun (off campus). We’re were friends. It still haunts me.

I had a another person commit suicide, in my adulthood. My neighbor, who worked in federal level law enforcement. To this day, it is still embedded in my memory.

I feel for the daughter. This will be part of her life experience.

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Comment by wittbelle
2009-04-22 09:05:03

Yeah, that’s an f’d up thing to do to your kids. I don’t care how bad you think your life is, don’t kill yourself (or get a sex change) if you have kids. It just messes them up forever.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-04-22 09:14:34

A good friend’s grandson (who owned a small construction biz in Hawaii) committed suicide last year. To this day, the family has not admitted that the death was a suicide.

My friend says that her grandson was sick with depression. Business wasn’t going well, and I think that this was a major cause of the depression. But, if you have any personal experience with this sort of thing, you know that once it gets going, depression takes on a life of its own. And, yes, it does make you sick.

 
Comment by wolfgirl
2009-04-22 11:43:37

My grandfather shot himself at home. The daughter who was home at the time never completely got over it. I don’t know many details as no one would talk about it. He was the manager of the company store in a coalmining town during the GD part one.

 
Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-04-22 12:30:11

“…….get a sex change, if you have kids.”

Crap………..

(sound of pencil scratching thru line item on list…..) :)

 
 
Comment by milkcrate
2009-04-22 10:53:19

Yup. That’s why glee over his demise seems tasteless.

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Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-04-22 11:53:47

I don’t think there is glee over his personal demise, but rather glee that some of the jerks who got us into it are at least feeling some shame and pain over what they’ve done to the entire country. And as VP of Risk Management, I’m pretty sure he was the one in charge of rubberstamping the policy of buying 97% LTV subprime mortgages. So he’s very culpable.

I’m pretty sure his 900k valued home just dropped down to sub 800k. Who wants to live in the house ol’ “swingin’” David Kellerman used to live in?

(Okay, that last part may have been a little too mean spirited.)

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-04-22 15:42:05

I think the real jerks are incapable of feeling any shame or remorse, and those are the ones I want to see get their just desserts. A guy who kills himself may have made some bad decisions, but is obviously feeling horrendous shame and remorse. I believe in justice, but also in redemption for those who recognize where they’ve erred and are truly sorry. Suicide permanently removes the opportunity to try to make things right or be a better person.

 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2009-04-22 07:54:52

FNC said planet earth has been invaded by green martians…… and the viewers believe.

Comment by cashedin05
2009-04-22 20:07:39

You meant to say MSDNC. You stand corrected.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-04-22 08:47:07

awaiting wipeout,

That was kind of my assessment too. I’m not familiar w/ their corp. structure but the articles didn’t say “long time CFO”. He was brought in to clean up other people’s messes.

There’s enough public disclosure/discussion at this point that assembling a kangaroo court would be more than a bit of a stretch? A resignation would have sufficed.

 
 
Comment by exeter
2009-04-22 05:38:40

Non-HBB related.

I’m seeing a herd of “Vacation in Michigan” commercials on teevee.

A dollar short and a day late……

Comment by Blano
2009-04-22 05:56:44

Local stations, or networks. Am curious as to what they say.

The ones that play around here talk about the “unique lifestyle advantages” Michigan has, but doesn’t say what they are. And I haven’t figured them out yet either.

Comment by combotechie
2009-04-22 06:07:59

“Am courious as to what they say.”

For one thing they say Michigan has a lot of lighthouses that need to be visited.

 
Comment by Asparagus
2009-04-22 06:37:05

“unique lifestyle advantages” = Huge selection of jerky meat.

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2009-04-22 06:58:05

The ones that I’ve seen in California talk about beautiful golf courses and lots of water. I hope it works. Actually, I’m going to Michigan next week!

Comment by Blano
2009-04-22 09:38:52

Are you buying the house you mentioned within Grand Rapids city limits, or the burbs??

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Comment by cereal
2009-04-22 13:34:02

You can actually surf on the lake. I would bring a long-board and good wetsuit.

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Comment by lonestarQT
2009-04-22 07:22:14

I posted about this over a week ago. On the Fox News Channel they have been running a series of MI ads called “pure Michigan” featuring their golf courses, scenic beauty and their water-that’s the one with the lighthouses. Come vacation in Michigan is what they are touting. It does look nice and the ads are very low key (narrator was a smooth baritone) and upscale (attractive couple cruising in a vintage wooden power boat). Should we go? Host an HBB event there?

Comment by Al
2009-04-22 08:50:26

“Should we go? Host an HBB event there?”

Who woulda thought, advertising works!

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Comment by Cassandra
2009-04-22 09:21:43

Yeah! Instead of renting rooms, we could buy a city block of houses in Detroit! It’d be a lot cheaper than rooms at the Motel 6.

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Comment by Bob in Vegas
2009-04-22 16:53:45

But then you’d be on the hook for property taxes, and that wouldn’t be pretty. A lot of Detroit houses going for $12K have $3K annual tax bills…

 
 
 
Comment by waiting_in_la
2009-04-22 08:23:55

‘unique lifestyle advantages’

hmmm … marble grey skies? shitty weather? miserable people?

if that’s unique for you, then go for it.

I, for one, never want to move back.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-04-22 09:34:22

And without any jobs to waste your time in Michigan, you have more time to enjoy the miserable grey skies, the crumbling cities, etc. Fun!

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-04-22 15:44:08

Holland, MI, is a beautiful community. Still a strong Dutch cultural influence and work ethic. One of the places I’m thinking of relocating to if things in this country really start to go pear-shaped.

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Comment by exeter
2009-04-22 17:39:59

hmmm … marble grey skies? shitty weather? miserable people?

if that’s unique for you, then go for it.

I, for one, never want to move back.
______________________________________

Add NY, VT, MA, CT, ME and NH to that list. Cold, dark, damp and dreary.

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2009-04-22 05:56:50

Probably some great bargains now.

In Alaska there is also a huge advertising campaign along a similar vein, especially targeted towards in-state residents. Local businesses are offering some really good deals on fishing/hotels/cruises etc. because want us to make up for the expected shortfall in tourists this year.

Comment by polly
2009-04-22 09:03:58

So does Alaska have seasons like Vermont and New Hampshire but perhaps more so?

Fall, Winter, Winter, Winter, Mud, Spring, Summer, Black Flies, Fall…

Comment by drumminj
2009-04-22 09:25:48

You forgot the seasons of “light” and “dark” ;)

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Comment by Cassandra
2009-04-22 09:24:13

Ok, maybe someone can explain this to me. How does instate tourism help the economy?

If I stay in your hotel, and you stay in mine, how can any wealth be gained? Seems to me that tourism is fundamentally about drawing in money from outside.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-04-22 09:39:32

The same way flipping houses back and forth helps the economy.

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Comment by bluprint
2009-04-22 10:14:36

Because govt measures GDP and only GDP. They don’t care nor do they try to measure anything resembling real economic health. As long as dollars are moving around to make the economy look healthy is the only concern.

It’s the same reason savings is considered “bad for the economy” even though it is good for everyone IN the economy.

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Comment by Will
2009-04-22 11:34:09

Not at all. If you vacation instate, you don’t vacation out of state.

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Comment by desertdweller
2009-04-22 12:52:05

Is that almost a ’staycation’ of sorts?!?!?!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Steve W
2009-04-22 06:14:29

Don’t remember where you’re at, exeter, but yes, in Chicago we’re getting inundated with the Michigan ads. And Montana. And Iowa.

Montana doesn’t fit the bill, but I think the state tourism boards are assuming that people will still take some trip this summer, but will make it closer to home.

Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-04-22 08:05:04

Don’t forget California, Hawaii, and Colorado — I’ve seen local ad buys for those states recently, too.

Spain, Greece, and Ireland (surprise!) seem to have picked it up a notch or two in magazines I read or rifle through.

And the economic development association of Fairfax County, VA, has been underwriting drive time on the local NPR station — it always catches my ear ’cause that’s where I grew up.

 
 
Comment by Kim
2009-04-22 06:44:17

“I’m seeing a herd of “Vacation in Michigan” commercials on teevee. ”

Not only “vacation in Michigan” but CNBC has been running a bunch of “move/start your business to Michigan” commercials. Even if the economy wasn’t in the dumps, I’d wonder whether the strong union culture there would make businesses think twice.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-04-22 06:51:56

I’ve seen the Michigan ads both in Baltimore (when I was living in that area) and now here in LA.

Next we will see Fresno, Stockton, and Modesto ads!

Comment by cereal
2009-04-22 13:37:26

“I’ve seen the Michigan ads both in Baltimore (when I was living in that area) and now here in LA.

Next we will see Fresno, Stockton, and Modesto ads!”

Well, some of us *do* enjoy a few rounds of cow-tipping now and then

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Comment by jeff saturday
2009-04-22 06:54:36

I was watching a show on the History channel last night, and I thought it was about Detroit but it turned out to be Life After Humans.

Comment by Skip
2009-04-22 07:37:44

I saw that show, it made me thing about the urban decay in Detroit too.

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Comment by desertdweller
2009-04-22 12:54:11

saw the show about the giant caldera that is Yellowstone and increasing earthquakes under it, so are they really advertising Montana for vacations?
Funny how things work.

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Comment by MrBubble
2009-04-22 13:58:59

If the YS caldera blows again, it might be better to be in MT to be vaporized immediately rather than starring in your own version of Cormac McCarthy’s “The Road”. [I had forgotten what a cop-out ending it was until I was discussing it last night]

 
 
 
Comment by polly
2009-04-22 08:07:33

Filnt is considering knocking down a bunch of neighborhoods, regrouping in a smaller footprint and planting trees in what used to be the rest of the city.

Doesn’t sound like a half bad idea to me.

Comment by polly
2009-04-22 08:11:50
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Comment by tresho
2009-04-22 10:35:41

At the very least that would make the place more manageable. The article mentioned the garbagemen going down a street to pick up a single bag of trash.

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2009-04-22 21:17:42

That reminds me of my trip down memory lane last summer to downriver Detroit, where I was raised. I drove down a street where my best friend lived and got stuck behind the garbage truck. Instead of a nice automated arm that lifts the can and dumps it they had two young men walking behind the truck, lifting the cans themselves and dumping them on the truck. A blast from the past that really brought home how depressed the area is.

 
 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-04-22 10:48:55

From the article:

Indianapolis and Little Rock, Ark., have recently set up land banks, and other cities are in the process of doing so. “Shrinkage is moving from an idea to a fact,” said Karina Pallagst, director of the Shrinking Cities in a Global Perspective Program at the University of California, Berkeley. “There’s finally the insight that some cities just don’t have a choice.”

Nothing will happen immediately, but Flint has begun updating its master plan, a complicated task last done in 1965. Then it was a prosperous city of 200,000 looking to grow to 350,000. It now has 110,000 people, about a third of whom live in poverty.

50% percent population decline since the ’60s, and no end in sight? Sounds like a prudent policy. Bravo to Indy, which is a fairly spread out city in terms of density and has some really shabby pockets. Land banks and easements could work well there.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-04-22 07:19:57

There’s more tourist destinations than tourists nowadays.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-04-22 08:18:41

Have seen a few Michigan commericals and big advertising to come to Canada.

The best Canada commercial is the one where some one is in a kayak. You see a baby seal swimming along side the kayak and then you see the baby seal climbing on top of the kayak.

Comment by cereal
2009-04-22 13:42:11

Seals out in the ocean can be creepy. So can dolphins. Don’t mess with them.

 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-04-22 08:44:59

The same ads in Arizona.

Touting all their fresh water.

Problem is, you have TO GO THERE.

 
Comment by CincyDad
2009-04-22 10:18:00

“I’m seeing a herd of “Vacation in Michigan” commercials on teevee.”

LOL - LOL - LOL
yes, we get all those commercials here in Cincinnati. Funny thing is, during what must have been the school-year Easter break in Michigan, Interstate-75 thru Cincy was full of overstuffed Michigan vans headed south for a vacation.

I’d say Michigan should start by trying to get their own citizens to vacation there !!!!!!!

Comment by tresho
2009-04-22 10:37:59

Michigan should start by trying to get their own citizens to vacation there !!!!!!! Maybe they could set up an snowbird exchange program with Arizona. Take our people for 3 months every winter & we’ll put up with you for 3 months every summer. It would be a win-win, assuming they didn’t kill each other, packed together like rats.

 
Comment by milkcrate
2009-04-22 11:01:17

Lots of Ohioans join that convoy/parade to West Central Florida… Venice and Sanibel Island, to name two. Some might go visit the manatees in Palmy’s neighborhood.

 
Comment by PontiacMI
2009-04-22 13:01:09

Actually, I do spend every spring, summer & fall camping, hiking etc. at the many great state parks as time permits. I would guess that just about every state has some truly fantastic attractions, It’s just that I don’t have to travel for days on end. I have not vacationed in any other state for more than nine years now.

On the other hand, I find the tourist “attractions” to be just like the “attractions” in any other state. Example: Macinac Island. It’s nice to look at, but most of it is overpriced stores & just a tourist trap. Ripley’s in various states comes to mind. Very little is of actual historical value. The carriage tour is very nice though.

 
 
Comment by Cowtown
2009-04-22 11:59:21

We’re seeing Michigan ads here in south-central Kansas, along with ads for Montana and Oklahoma (!).

 
 
Comment by Terry
2009-04-22 05:59:19

Usually when a chief financial officer of a company commits suicide, it means all hell is about to break loose. Fraud, scandal, ssex and violence.
The fall out is going to be monumental! Unless of course, Eddie Haskell gets on tv and says its all ok.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-04-22 06:59:58

Sounds like TTT is angling for a paragraph in the history books:

WASHINGTON (AP) — Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner says the United States bears a substantial share of responsibility for the global economic crisis, but the problems that have made the crisis so acute are worldwide.

Geithner says: “Never before in modern times has so much of the world been simultaneously hit by a confluence of economic and financial turmoil such as we are now living through.”

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-04-22 08:51:05

Uuummmmmmmm…. Did TTT forget to read about the global nature of the GD in his preparations for the current exercises?

Global credit-contractions tend to have global consequences.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-04-22 09:22:07

Another question is, why is he admitting that level of U.S. responsibility just now? Is it because he believes a robust recovery is imminent or because the next leg down is?

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Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-04-22 09:41:47

Give TurboTax-cheat Timmy a break - he’s still working on his taxes since he may actually have to pay them this year!

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Comment by jess
2009-04-22 06:06:16

The Freddie Mac CFO. Did he pass away in the same park that Vince Foster did…Ah The pieces ,or clues come together slow.Was Bill Clinton lurking in the bushes perhaps ?? In all truth ,I feel sad for the poor fellows family.The Job probably killed him..

Comment by DinOR
2009-04-22 09:52:53

Not to speak ill of the dead, but the guy was a tool. Had he been CFO virtually anywhere else, this wouldn’t even be a news story.

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-04-22 06:13:31

Who is the Mack now, John?
And the other Mac, Freddie
57 or 45 - same difference.
Lawyers, guns, and money.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-04-22 06:26:18

the $h*t has hit the fan…

Comment by Takingbets
2009-04-22 06:37:26

Link?

Comment by Kim
2009-04-22 07:23:31

Its a song…
“Send lawyers, guns, and money, the the $h*t has hit the fan…”

Buffet sang a version, but IIRC he wasn’t the original artist.

Comment by lonestarQT
2009-04-22 07:25:58

It was Warren Zevon, wasn’t it?

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Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2009-04-22 07:32:12

The late Warren Zevon was the original artist. Great tune.

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Comment by Skip
2009-04-22 07:39:38

I went home with the waitress
The way I always do
How was I to know
She was with the Russians, too

I was gambling in Havana
I took a little risk
Send lawyers, guns and money
Dad, get me out of this, ha

I’m the innocent bystander
But somehow I got stuck
Between a rock and a hard place
And I’m down on my luck
Yes, I’m down on my luck
Well, I’m down on my luck

Now I’m hiding in Honduras
I’m a desperate man
Send lawyers, guns and money
The shit has hit the fan

Send lawyers, guns and money

- Warren Zevon

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Comment by jeff saturday
2009-04-22 06:43:50

No, this is a “soft landing” and “sub prime is contained” and “real estate never goes down” because “Suzanne researched this” and ALL IS WELL! ALL IS WELL!

Comment by Ken
2009-04-22 08:00:00

LOL!

 
Comment by Muggy
2009-04-22 09:01:53

“Suzanne researched this”

HONEY, I WANT THAT HOUSE.

Comment by phillygal
2009-04-22 12:30:44

it’s got a garage, now GET ME THAT HOUSE

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Comment by cereal
2009-04-22 13:45:01

But what about the kids?

 
 
 
 
Comment by packman
2009-04-22 07:16:25

Apparently the stock market didn’t get the memo.

Comment by Muir
2009-04-22 07:23:45

It got the memo packman.
From Geithner.
From Kohn.
I’m going long commodities shortly for a long term play.
Have been long SP for a week.

 
 
 
Comment by dude
2009-04-22 06:35:51

Winston says he died from lead poisoning unrelated to his work.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-04-22 06:57:08

Hey…Snap Out of It! :-)

$8,500 credit….4% 30 year fixed…$70,000 condo’s

but coffee @ Denny’s is still $1.99? ;-)

Hwy’s 14% mortgage interest rates… have gone the way of the Dodo bird :-)

“…Conventional mortgages averaged 4.61 percent in 1951, 4 percent when backed by the Veterans Administration, and 4.25 percent by the Federal Housing Administration, according to “The Postwar Residential Mortgage Market,” a 1961 book written by Saul Klaman and published by Princeton University Press. Rates during the 1930s were as high as 7 percent.

The most famous suburb was Levittown, developed by William Levitt on a former tract of farmland about 30 miles east of New York City. The community had more than 17,000 homes built on 60- foot-by-100-foot lots and each cost about $6,990. The project landed Levitt on Time magazine’s cover in July 1950.

Levittown Project

World War II veteran Frederick Johs, 86, bought his first home in 1954, a Cape Cod-style, gray two-bedroom house in Levittown. Johs, a former Army corpsman in France and England, got a VA-insured 30-year mortgage at 2 percent. He paid $8,400 for the house, including a $1,000 down payment, and his monthly mortgage was $60.: ;-)

Mortgages Falling to 4% Become Bernanke Housing Focus:

By Brian Louis and Kathleen M. Howley April 22 (Bloomberg)

Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-04-22 07:58:56

Hwy, beer at Ray’s still same price, the rafters are boycotting the place for some reason…

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-04-22 10:56:28

Hey Losty,
Yeah, well when Mr. Cole & I roll by Uutarr, I’ll be needin’ a COLD Squatter’s brewski or x2, most likely looks like wed-fri July 8/9/10th somewhere thereabouts…going to camp out with the valley goblins. ;-)

Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-04-22 11:56:28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kxY6Ie2jtI

Hey, check out Black Dragon if you’ve never been there, very nice and close to I-70.

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Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-04-22 12:24:45

Well, HWY, my comments aren’t posting, if you get in the area, check out Black Dragon Canyon, just off the freeway west of G. River, nice place.

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Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-04-22 12:35:42

PS If I’m still in Utarr, will come by with a good scare for you - I camped there once on Halloween, there was a full moon, we had a blast, went out at midnight, someone was out there singing “I ain’t got no body”…

 
 
 
Comment by nycjoe
2009-04-22 15:03:28

Hey, I bought a few brews and fed the clan in Ray’s last Thursday. I don’t know who’s boycotting, but the joint was jammed … and down the street I was impressed by some great real estate in the form of crumbling beer bars from some ancient heyday.

Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-04-22 18:11:52

I LOVE Green River.

I got the boycott news about third hand, so who knows, maybe Ray’s boycotting the rafters…

And I LOVE those old crumbling buildings…evidence that the housing bubble did miss a few places…

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Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-04-22 09:24:04

$1,000/$8,400 = 11.9% down payment.
Mr. Johs had some skin in the deal.

 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-04-22 07:02:46

Geithner acknowledges U.S. fault in crisis (short)
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSWAT01129920090422

Comment by nhz
2009-04-22 08:00:10

he is probably hoping to get away with that (after constant complaints out of Europe and Asia) instead of really doing something about it. Even the major newspapers in EU are now writing that Geithner is trying to kickstart the monopoly game again like nothing happened,

 
 
Comment by Suffolk_Them
2009-04-22 07:19:52

Real Estate Broker Bull from the 4/20/09 NY Observer

There is this disconnect between buyers and sellers, and it’s very hard to get somebody who knows that their neighbor’s house sold for $3 million last year to admit that their house may be only worth $2.2 million in this market. When someone has already spent their money on their home and they have already decided that they can sell their house for $3 million, it’s a hard psychological adjustment to realize that they can really only sell it for $2.2 million.

I think that all we really need to get things moving is just some confidence in the market, a sense of urgency, because right now people just aren’t feeling like they have to jump on a property.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-04-22 07:23:19

How is a “sense of urgency” related to “confidence”?

Oh, right, UHS logic - like that dude yesterday saying how unemployment will lead to more pent-up demand.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-04-22 08:56:24

“unemployment will lead to more pent-up demand.”

Unemployment _will_ lead to more pent-up demand—only it will be pent-up demand for JOBS! :-)

 
 
Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-04-22 07:27:31

Gee, I’d jump except apparently Bernanke (from above) is intending to drive interest rates to 4%. I’ll just wait and see which way to jump ;)

 
Comment by bink
2009-04-22 08:12:20

It’s been very difficult for me to convince people that my neighbor’s dog is the reincarnation of Winston Churchill too, but I won’t give up.

 
 
Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-04-22 07:22:25

Gee, I guess it was impossible to predict the housing/banking crisis

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1077151.html
———-
“It was possible to foresee, and some people did. … I have a colleague at Princeton who says there were exactly five people who foresaw this crisis, and this does not include … Ben Bernanke. One of them is Prof. Robert Shiller, who also predicted the previous bubble. The problem is there were other economists who predicted this crisis, like Nouriel Roubini, but he also predicted some crises that never came to be.”

He was one of those who predicted 10 crises out of three.

“Ten out of three is a pretty good record, relatively. But I conclude from the fact that only five people predicted the current crisis that it was impossible to predict it. In hindsight, it all seems obvious: Everyone seemed to be blind, only these five appeared to be smart. But there were a lot of smart people who looked at the situation and knew all the facts, and they did not predict the crisis.” …
————
From Kahneman’s point of view, the most important moment of the recent economic crisis came when Alan Greenspan admitted at a congressional hearing that his theory of the world had been mistaken. “Greenspan expected financial firms to protect their interests, because they are rational companies and the market is rational, so they would not take risks that would threaten their very existence,” Kahneman says.

“Where did he go wrong? Because he did not distinguish between the firms and their ‘agents’ [their managers]. There is a huge gulf between the companies and their agents. Firms take the long view, while agents have short perspectives and take the short view. The compensation models of the corporation and their agents are different. The executives did not commit suicide when they took risks; it was the corporations managed by these agents that committed suicide.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-04-22 07:38:20

When you are managed to the slaughter house, that is not suicide.

Comment by exeter
2009-04-22 07:47:54

FWIW, Haaretz is an excellent source of unadulterated news.

 
 
Comment by Central Valley Guy
2009-04-22 12:14:13

I could swear there 30-40 people just on this blog who predicted it with unbelievable accuracy.

 
 
Comment by Bucks Piper
2009-04-22 07:22:56
 
Comment by Muir
2009-04-22 07:35:43

For FPSS, PB, packman, WT etc.

Recovery may be gradual, however, Kohn said, and added that the Fed would not hesitate to deploy new weapons to boost growth if the anticipated rebound is weaker than expected.

“The risk that inflation could be lower will be exacerbated to the extent that economic activity falls short of the path that I have described,” he said. “In these circumstances, the Federal Reserve would continue to look for ways to relieve financial pressures and encourage spending.”

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What exactly would it take for you guys to be convinced that these people will create inflation at ANY cost?

An announcement of 1.5 trillion towards buying T-Bills?

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“At its previous meeting in March, the Fed renewed its pledge to keep interest rates very low for an extended period. It also committed to push an additional $1.15 trillion into the economy by buying longer-term Treasury securities and buying more debt and mortgage-backed securities issued by mortgage finance agencies.”

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-04-22 08:01:30

One thing is for sure, they have you as a full time cheerleader!

Money destruction and money creation are divergent curves. Their intersection is not foreseeable.

Comment by Muir
2009-04-22 08:38:17

“One thing is for sure, they have you as a full time cheerleader!”

Nothing would give me greater satisfaction than to see them fail.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-04-22 09:09:40

I knew it, reverse psychology, eh?

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Comment by packman
2009-04-22 08:46:33

I think there will definitely be inflation at some point, and in fact hedging against it - by a fair amount. Right now though it’s fighting the headwinds of deflation as this debt is unwound, and losing the battle mostly.

FWIW - I’ve only within the past 6-9 months admitted that this was happening - I used to be a pure inflationista before really looking into the data and thinking about it more; the causes and effects (much of which are well know, but I just never thought much about).

However there’s only so far deflation can go before the growing money supply catches up with it - that’s when we’ll have big inflation most likely. I’m not smart enough to know when that will be exactly, or to what scale. What I do know is that we’ve still unwound at best 30-50% of the excessive debt out there, so I think high inflation is still at least a year off, maybe 2 or 3.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-04-22 09:01:23

Maybe it is easier to get an idea of where we are in the process than bet on the timeline. To my feeble thinking, many things must happen before the next big inflation starts. They will be plain to see if you are looking at the ground rather than listening to govspeak media.

Comment by tresho
2009-04-22 12:52:09

there’s only so far deflation can go before the growing money supply catches up with it And just how far can inflation go when average per cap incomes are falling?

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Comment by packman
2009-04-22 14:26:02

Pretty darn high I’d say. Price inflation doesn’t have to be connected with incomes. See 1997-2006 when we had massive price inflation (mostly home prices, thus not reflected in core CPI) but not wage inflation.

 
Comment by Kirisdad
2009-04-22 15:03:14

You can have price inflation, but it won’t last. Eventually prices will fall to what people can afford. So in a way, prices are connected to incomes. Home price inflation led to MEW, which led to more home price inflation. Without trade restrictions, global wage suppression will continue.

 
Comment by tresho
2009-04-22 18:08:41

That was a Housing Bubble, not massive price inflation.

 
Comment by Kirisdad
2009-04-23 07:13:49

The housing bubble created massive price inflation. i.e. autos, tuition and anything else paid for with MEW.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Muir
2009-04-22 07:59:10

Must reading

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Federal Reserve Vice Chairman Donald Kohn’s question-and-answer session at a Vanderbilt University conference Saturday was going as countless others surely have in his years as a top policy maker.

Until Paul Volcker raised his hand.

Then, Kohn was grilled over the Fed’s apparent effort to convey that it considers a roughly 2% inflation rate to be appropriate for the economy in the long term.

Former Fed Chairman Volcker, who along with Kohn was at a conference honoring former Fed governor Dewey Daane, questioned how the Fed can talk about both 2% inflation and price stability.

In the minutes of its January policy meeting, the Fed said that officials’ long-run inflation forecasts reflect what they think is consistent with the Fed’s dual mandate “for promoting price stability and maximum employment.”

It then said that “most participants” thought 2% inflation, as measured by the price index for personal consumption expenditures, “would be consistent with the dual mandate.”

“I don’t get it,” Volcker said, leading to a lively back-and-forth between the two central bank heavyweights.

By setting 2% as an inflation objective, the Fed is “telling people in a generation they’re going to be losing half their purchasing power,” Volcker said. And if 2% is the best inflation rate, and the economic recovery lags, does that mean that 3% becomes the ideal rate, he asked.

Kohn responded that by aiming at 2%, “you have a little more room in nominal interest rates … to react to an adverse shock to the economy.”

“Your problem is 2[%] becomes 3 becomes 4,” Kohn told Volcker. But other central banks with a roughly 2% target haven’t had that problem, Kohn said.

Fed officials, he added, “need to be clear about why we’re choosing the number we’re choosing.” He also said that while he doesn’t think deflation is much of a risk, “I can’t say the risk is zero” and the Fed must be mindful of the possibility that inflation expectations fall to the point that real interest rates rise.

The two fought to a rhetorical draw, with each conceding that he wasn’t going to persuade the other.

If it’s any consolation for Kohn, he wasn’t the only one on the business end of Volcker’s barbs. Volcker told New York Federal Reserve Bank President William Dudley, who also spoke at the conference, that he doesn’t understand what the Fed’s trying to accomplish by paying interest on excess reserves.

“Now I’m more confused,” Volcker told Dudley after Dudley addressed the topic in his speech.

That led to another back-and-forth that ended with Volcker telling Dudley, “I get the impression you’re beginning to like this.”

The same, it seems, could be said for Volcker.

Comment by WT Economist
2009-04-22 11:32:24

“Kohn responded that by aiming at 2%, “you have a little more room in nominal interest rates … to react to an adverse shock to the economy.”

Ie. you can cut the real value of people’s wages and savings without calling their attention to it with nominal reductions, as part of the perpetual adverse shock..

Comment by neuromance
2009-04-22 19:22:10

Inflation is a stealth tax on those with any savings. So, as you noted, they must keep inflation low so people’s attentions aren’t too much drawn to it.

Inflation helps keep the debt-driven economy going by keeping lending robust, by allowing people to pay in depreciated dollars.

 
 
 
Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-04-22 08:00:06

This is for Oly:

Hope you’re feeling better.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-04-22 10:22:22

Yes! I hope today is much Much _MUCH_ better than yesterday for you, Olygal!

I’m sorry to hear about the wicked, cruel, oafish meanie—I’m just guessing that there was one in particular. B*st*rd!

If you decide to change teams, give me a call.

Yours,

Primette

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 12:21:56

Sorry to say, but Professor Bearina is already spoken for…

 
 
 
Comment by polly
2009-04-22 08:05:10

Do people remember the NY Times article/opinion piece by David Leonhardt that the NoVa/DC/MD crowd was fuming over about a year ago? He had just moved from NYC to DC area and bought first house and argued that while prices might still have a little way to fall, it wasn’t much and it was a good time to buy.

Well, here is the new piece:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/business/economy/22leonhardt.html?em

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-04-22 08:36:54

Wow. Great article.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-04-22 12:39:30

Article said Miami prices fell 50% from 2006 peak and expects another 33% drop from here. It would mean a $400,000 house (overvalued peak price 2006) would be $133,000 at the bottom of the 33% drop.

In all, this would add up to a 67% drop from peak in 2006.

Comment by Bob in Vegas
2009-04-22 18:11:35

Which, with a median family income of 45K or so, means the house would be fairly valued.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-04-22 19:14:00

You know, if this could be replicated all along the east coast and west coast, imagine young families being able to afford a 30 year fixed rate mortgage and have enough money to spend on other things! Their homes may not appreciate above the inflation rate for a generation, but they would at least not have to worry about rents going up.

 
 
 
 
Comment by 20910
2009-04-22 08:45:46

Thanks for the link Polly.

And while it’s true that a $700K house may rent for $4,000 — it doesn’t occur to Leonhardt that $700K for a SFH is still — prima facie — insanely expensive.

Comment by packman
2009-04-22 09:22:42

Or that $4000 rent - for *anything* (save maybe a really nice Manhattan home) is insanely expensive.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-04-22 15:38:58

Take a look at Craiglist for the SF Bay Area. Some rentals are going for $12,000.00

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Comment by Bob in Vegas
2009-04-22 18:13:56

SF asking prices for rents are insane, but I’ll bet landlords are making lots of concessions and reductions…

 
 
 
 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-04-22 13:50:29

I *heart* that article. It talks about a 80% or so price decline in Virginia Beach.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2009-04-22 17:36:48

Cool. We’re getting to the point where everyone says it’s going to be terrible. Perhaps this means in some places we’ll see a bottom soon. lol.

In all seriousness though, inventories in some markets HAVE fallen quite a bit. I have heard lots of anecdotes about homebuilders starting to buy finished lots again to build on now. Cost to build have fallen so much they can buy finished lots for less than cost, build a home, and compete with foreclosure pricing. Crazy, but true.

In most markets though, there is only 2 or so years supply of finished lots (if that). The only thing that makes it economical to build on those lots today is that lots can be bought for below replacement cost.

So, once the cheap lots are built upon, the only way to add more supply will be to build new lots, but to do so you need 1) higher home prices and 2) willing financial partners to take the finishing risk. I suspect we’ll see prices flat, flat, flat, then bounce up after cheap finished lots have been burned through.

Watch for housing starts to tick up during the rest of 2009, home prices in some markets flattening, and in other markets they will continue to fall.

I know where I live, we are no where close to the bottom.

 
 
Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-04-22 08:10:37

Homeownership = a “doom loop:”

www DOT globalpost DOT com/dispatch/worldview/090418/the-american-dream-nightmare?ref=patrick.net

 
Comment by Muir
2009-04-22 08:11:59

The U.S. economy will begin to stabilize by the end of this year and a slow recovery will start to be felt sometime in 2010, but unemployment and economic pain will likely get worse before things get better, Thomas M. Hoenig, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, told a Lakewood audience Tuesday night.

Hoenig said there’s a “realistic expectation” that the stimulus program and other economic measures will be successful in starting the recovery. But then, he said, the really tough part of economic recovery will follow: slowly weaning the nation from the infusion of capital in the markets brought by the federal stimulus package.

“Can we withdraw all of the stimulus in a systematic fashion?” Hoenig asked. “If we don’t, then we will very much risk inflation and inflation, I often tell people, is the most regressive tax we can impose on our citizens.”

The unprecedented borrowing by the government to finance bank bailouts, stimulus spending and other economic programs — on top of expected renewed borrowing by the private sector as the recovery takes hold– will then almost certainly put upward pressure on interest rates, Hoenig said.

“People will begin to feel pain,” Hoenig said. “In about a year, you are not going to like me very much at all.”

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2009-04-22 11:08:53

Tinkerbell will live, if we all just believe….

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-04-22 12:20:15

““People will begin to feel pain,” Hoenig said. “In about a year, you are not going to like me very much at all.”

Huh? BEGIN?! What planet do these people live on?!

Jupiter where they’re stupider?

BEGIN??!!

Comment by Muir
2009-04-22 13:06:39

I think he’s trying to tell you that was only the tip.

 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-04-22 08:16:58

Notes on the Solar Cell industry…..

In just the past couple of months, the industry that promised to be the next big tech boom has faltered and is contracting significantly. The price of the polysilicon substrate that is the foundation of conventional technology has collapsed. First Solar, the largest US manufacturer of solar cells took a $200M writedown in the first quarter on the value of its inventory (despite using a competing technology, CdTe thin film). China’s Solar giant, LDK Solar, took a similar writedown. The relentless expansion of facilities in this sector are grinding to a halt. Goverment subsidies globaly are falling at the same time credit and economic viability are whithering. Existing plants are reducing production.

It feels like somebody hit the E-stop from where I sit in this process. The US producers are saying that the Chinese stimulis will revive their sales and the Chinese producers are saying that the US stimulis will revive them. It’s a Mexican standoff.

Are there no manias left?

I’m with Voz; beer is not just for breakfast anymore.

Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-04-22 08:49:29

I have a very small amount of stock in LDK Solar, and I think they’re fundamentally a decent company. Purchased the stock for 50%+ off its bubble highs, but it’s lost 75% or so since I bought at the haircut price. It’s not even worth cutting it loose. Oy vey.

My other investments, thankfully, have been wiser.

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-04-22 13:51:51

Hopefully the cost will come down on the panels. Everyone should own 24 of them.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-04-22 14:19:09

First Solar achieved $1/watt this year.

 
 
 
Comment by fish
2009-04-22 08:20:42

Haretz reports that Israel asserts no war crimes committed in Gaza.

Who are they trying ti kid? Israelis are mass murderers.

American aid to Israel during an economic explosion is also not sitting well with conscious Americans.

Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-04-22 08:27:42

Sorry, Fish, this is a HOUSING blog, that kind of politics belongs elsewhere.

 
Comment by Skip
2009-04-22 08:36:47

I think you might be on the wrong blog.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-04-22 08:49:33

Go fish somewhere else with your hook, line and sinker.

Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-04-22 08:50:53

+1 :)

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-04-22 09:04:34

Yeah, +2.

BORING. NEXT.

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Comment by exeter
2009-04-22 08:25:35

NARPukes and spinmeisters are at it again.

“FHFA home-price index up from prior month”

http://tinyurl.com/dgkuz2

Comment by packman
2009-04-22 09:01:59

It’ll be really interesting to see what next Tuesday’s Case/Shiller data for Februrary looks like compared with the FHFA data. FHFA has shown an *amazing* (apparent) turnaround in home prices. This isn’t shown by Case/Shiller, but Case/Shiller data lags FHFA data by a few months.

Previously the OFHEO (precursor to FHFA) data actually quite closely matched the Case/Shiller data. So either:

A. We really are experiencing an incredibly rapid turnaround (not likely IMO), or
B. The change from OFHEO to FHFA is causing a morph into a bizarre real estate pumping machine.

If B is true - it’ll be interesting to see what surely will be a building lively battle between the S&P (owners of the Case/Shiller data I believe) and the FHFA over whose data is actually correct, since the data will be rapidly diverging. So far Case/Shiller is the industry standard, but FHFA has that “government” thing going for it.

Comment by Observer
2009-04-22 09:41:55

In some places, like San Diego, the market does appear to be turning around. Inventory is the lowest in a couple years and those houses that are priced competitively are seeing multiple bids. I know because I’m trying to buy a house. Inventory just sucks right now which is perplexing because foreclosures are at a record. Where is the inventory then? Are banks swamped or purposely holding back inventory?

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-04-22 09:50:04

Yes, they are holding back inventory because IT WORKS.

All those people are tossing in multiple bids for houses that are probably still too expensive in areas that will probably waste away with high taxes and few jobs in the future… but it gets the banks more money, so that’s all it takes.

If the banks can hide their foreclosures and losses forever, they can great artificial housing demand to drive up prices: just own every house, let many of them fall into ruin while having the government “value” these houses at some stupid-high 2005 value, and then sell them very slowly so that people can’t shop around and are stuck in bidding wars.

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Comment by Skip
2009-04-22 10:23:03

You are forgetting what happens to vacant houses, there is a finite amount of time for a bank to sit on a foreclosure before it becomes a complete write-off.

 
Comment by Observer
2009-04-22 11:09:18

I tend to agree, these homes have to hit the market sometime. With the forclosure moratoriums expiring, I hope inventory increases in the next few months.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 12:19:06

“there is a finite amount of time for a bank to sit on a foreclosure before it becomes a complete write-off”

Given the ‘unforeseeable’ economic disaster currently underway, I don’t see why the rules on this could not be bent or abolished. Machiavelli rules!

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-04-22 13:22:29

Speaking of bank owned and shadow housing etc.
First - dev loses all properties, props in receivership, re liason finds re group to market and sell props. RE guy gets offers and tells liason to tell bank to lower prices if they really want to sell. Bank takes months to answer. After 2 90day listing, bank pulls out saying, not enough offers and sales therefore they are going to do auctions now. They will now get much lower if any bids on these homes and avoid paying re agent.
But if they had just answered and lowered prices in a timely manner, rather than months, they would have sold a few more.

Apparently banks don’t really want to deal, just cut out everyone. Continous loss of earning potential to all but banks.
Banks are thieves.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-04-22 12:25:30

There is always an uptick in spring and fall. Summer is moving season.

 
 
Comment by exeter
2009-04-22 08:28:57

Whats up with the forum getting spammed by RealTURDS???

http://forum.thehousingbubbleblog.com/index.php?topic=312.msg2127#new

 
Comment by Muir
2009-04-22 08:29:41

U.S. home prices rose 0.7 percent on a seasonally-adjusted basis
from January to February, according to the Federal Housing Finance Agency’s monthly House Price Index.

 
Comment by Muggy
2009-04-22 08:30:23

Blue, after the sun goes down, get over there and grab me a few cases of semi-dry Riesling!

http://democratandchronicle.com/article/20090422/NEWS01/90422001&referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-04-22 09:15:01

You want the Dr. Frank label or that cheap swill Salmon Run?

Comment by Muggy
2009-04-22 09:18:55

Anything with booze in it!

:smile:

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-04-22 09:22:06

OK, but it might evaporate before you can manage to get by to pick it up! You know how dry things are around here.

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-04-22 08:39:09

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgage delinquencies among the most creditworthy homeowners rose 50 percent in a month as borrowers said drops in income or too much debt caused them to fall behind, according to data from federal regulators.

The number of so-called prime borrowers at least 60 days behind on mortgages owned or guaranteed by the companies rose to 743,686 in January, from 497,131 in December, and is almost double the total for October, the Federal Housing Finance Agency said in a report to Congress today.

Let’s go Alt-A!!!

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-04-22 09:07:27

“…as borrowers said drops in income…”

Oh, like unemployment?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-04-22 09:48:32

Yeah, the drop in income is a side benefit.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-04-22 12:26:59

:lol:

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Comment by CrackerJim
2009-04-22 08:47:53

I missed quite a bit of the gay repartee from unbiased posters on yesterday’s bits regarding Fox News. Please look at these current numbers (or this:
“http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/top-news/cable-news”).

Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for April 20, 2009

P2+ Total Day
FNC – 1,316,000 viewers
CNN – 659,000 viewers
MSNBC –439,000 viewers
CNBC – 265,000 viewers
HLN – 328,000 viewers

P2+ Prime Time
FNC – 2,722,000 viewers
CNN—1,074,000 viewers
MSNBC –925,000 viewers
CNBC – 235,000 viewers
HLN – 688,000 viewers

Comment by exeter
2009-04-22 09:15:31

Look I’m no fan of CNN but the targeted demographic of news orgs. is adult males ages 20-50 and CNN captured that demographic some 290 days ago and leads with it today.

Second; Although FNC leads with total viewers, their viewership is eroding. Much like homedebtor equity.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-04-22 13:30:52

Here is part of that scam of #s… you go through any airport and they have FNC or faux news on all the channels. And many a bar in an airport as well as other public venues. Apparently those are part of those #s which doesn’t mean actual separate viewers which could either be higher or lower, but the higher #s would be because those people in public places have no choice but to watch that junk on faux news.
If airports, MD offices etc would allow you to switch channels, but they don’t.

 
 
Comment by Sleepr Cell
2009-04-22 08:50:45

Turbo Tax Timmy is looking pretty clueless.

“The only interesting moment came when, in response to a question from Warren on whether “liquidation of failing financial institutions” or “reorganization” of failing banks were “on the table” for the Obama administration, Geithner said that “we will look at all actions we think are necessary” to balance the two main priorities of protecting the taxpayer and ensuring a “better functioning financial system.”
“You had me at ‘all actions,’” interrupted Warren, and then after a little back and forth, repeated her initial question: “I think the question … started with the focus on all the tools on the table, liquidation, reorganization and subsidization. Am I hearing you say yes?
To which Geithner could only reply: “Well, we will take all sensible actions that are consistent with those obligations we have to the American people. And, again, the obligation about what is least cost and most effective will require a careful balance in these areas.”
There’s nothing to hang your hat on there, I’m afraid. I don’t think Geithner impressed the oversight panel with his answers, and I’m certain he didn’t say anything that will have the financial industry worrying that Obama administration is about to get tough.”

http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2009/04/22/knives_for_geithner/index.html

This ‘duck and weave’ verbal masturbation is starting to remind me of all the BS excuses of the previous administration. It’s not inspiring a great deal of confidence that’s for certain.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-04-22 09:50:08

What can TTT do?

There are only two things you can do with debt:

[1] Pay it back, or
[2] Default.

Even renegotiation is a technical default.

They are trying their level best to spin away from the basics. How does that work I wonder?

Comment by Left LA
2009-04-22 11:36:07

or…

[3] Inflate the money supply over time to debase the value of the currency outstanding, and thus, render the debt insignificant.

The US takes out and keeps all of its debts conveniently in USD.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-04-22 11:53:00

That’s a default, and it doesn’t change the underlying structure of debt in relation to current income unless some of that inflation makes its way into income.

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Comment by NoVa Sideliner
2009-04-22 12:23:15

It’s a partial default in practice, but not an actual full default in fact.

And in true inflationary times (remember 25+ years ago?), incomes do rise along with inflation. Once the Chinese and other big bondholders see COLA’s come back into vogue, they’ll know they’re about to get shafted.

 
Comment by Muir
2009-04-22 13:04:54

Not only that, but it inflation can and does come before wage increases.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by drumminj
2009-04-22 08:52:52

Some people expressed interest and I responded with my contact info late in the day…if anyone wants to play with the firefox extension I’ve been working on to make reading the comments on this blog a little easier, send me an email: ‘drumminj’ over at the ‘yahoo.com’

 
Comment by Muggy
2009-04-22 08:58:48

So my organization is going through some “changes.” It’s interesting to see the response from various people. A lot of “friendly” and “outgoing” people are becoming a lot less friendly and a lot less outgoing.

Interesting (how people behave)…

Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-04-22 09:14:22

An old Utah cowpuncher once told me that when your back’s up against the barbed-wire fence, you see what kind of mettle you really have.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-04-22 12:46:05

Funny, a lot more people seem to be ‘outgoing’ now in the SF Bay Area. Like, over at yahoo, another 5% of them are outgoing! At my friend’s medical supply company their entire IT team is an outgoing bunch!

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-04-22 12:47:25

I should have mentioned, however, that these outgoing people aren’t very friendly. Weird, that.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-04-22 13:01:51

At the biotech company I used to work for, I know some outgoing people. More outgoing now, especially after being bought out by the big Swiss pharmaceutical firm.

Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-04-22 13:14:01

I used to be WAY more outgoing, but too much time alone in the desert does that to you…

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-04-22 15:41:29

Too funny Lostie. :)

 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-04-22 22:51:38

During 110++ months, I am not outgoing.

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Comment by wittbelle
2009-04-22 09:37:42
 
Comment by Muir
2009-04-22 10:16:08

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE53K00G20090421

Global economic crisis hits German sex industry

BERLIN It did not take long for the world financial crisis to affect the world’s oldest profession in Germany.

In one of the few countries where prostitution is legal, and unusually transparent, the industry has responded with an economic stimulus package of its own: modern marketing tools, rebates and gimmicks to boost falling demand.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 11:07:44

That really svcks.

 
Comment by ChrisO
2009-04-22 12:57:48

How is it that demand softens in hard times?

 
Comment by octal77
2009-04-22 13:32:24

Of course! That explains those “get 2 for the price of 1″ coupons
I have been getting in the mail lately. <;)))

 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-04-22 10:17:12

Your true character comes out when it’s tested, I concur.
As Robert Louis Stevenson said:
“Sooner or later, everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences.” - Nobody is getting out of this alive.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-04-22 10:23:06


BERLIN (Reuters) - It did not take long for the world financial crisis to affect the world’s oldest profession in Germany.
In one of the few countries where prostitution is legal, and unusually transparent, the industry has responded with an economic stimulus package of its own: modern marketing tools, rebates and gimmicks to boost falling demand.

Some brothels have cut prices or added free promotions while others have introduced all-inclusive flat-rate fees. Free shuttle buses, discounts for seniors and taxi drivers, as well as “day passes” are among marketing strategies designed to keep business going.

“Times are tough for us too,” said Karin Ahrens, who manages the “Yes, Sir” brothel in Hanover. She told Reuters revenue had dropped by 30 percent at her establishment while turnover had fallen by as much as 50 percent at other clubs.

“We’re definitely feeling the crisis. Clients are being tight with their money. They’re afraid. You can’t charge for the extras any more and there is pressure to cut prices. Everyone wants a deal. Special promotions are essential these days.”

Time for a “stimulus” package?

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-04-22 11:04:08

I’m in camp with those that argue that legal sex transactions (consenting adults) & wacky tabacky will “stimulate” the US economy $$$$$$$$$$$…every little bit helps… hurry, we’re in an “economic crisis”! ;-)

Comment by WT Economist
2009-04-22 12:15:35

Well they legalized booze to get government tax revenues in the depression, and legalized gambling to get state taxes over the past two decades. Those political types need to get those pensions paid somehow without ticking more people off. So I wouldn’t put it past them.

You know what the problem is with an economic crisis in right-wing Nevada? The limited social safety net they have only covers half the population.

Comment by cashedin05
2009-04-23 00:45:43

Nevada is a blue state. Look for the Union label.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-04-22 11:20:45

Garter belt tightening everywhere.

 
Comment by exeter
2009-04-22 11:25:59

“Free shuttle buses, discounts for seniors and taxi drivers”

I bet the girls just love that idea.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-04-22 13:03:11

Okay, purdy tat,

Keep sharpening those claws. :)

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-04-22 22:53:13

Turnovers have fallen.

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-04-22 10:29:34

It’s NOT a Life or Debt situation.
Mom got a credit card offer.
There is Life after Debt.
Leave them kids alone.

 
Comment by llking
2009-04-22 10:33:01

Does anyone have any opinions on the FM CFO’s suicide? in terms of any correlations to the company’s health?

Comment by Asparagus
2009-04-22 10:48:26

Not so much in terms of health, but the stock going up or down, I’m staying away for the followng reasons. (I apologize for seeming cold in this):

Scenario 1 = Stock goes up
They are going to blow away analyst expectations. They cooked the books to make the earnings, and that’s why the guy was so depressed. But the market is so desperate for good news, they ignore the suspicions and react as if the guy was a marter who was doing a great job, but was under so much stress b/c you haven’t gone out and bought a home in the last 4 months. Shorts get squeezed….

Scenario 2 = No movement
He had trouble at home. No correlation.

Scenario 3= Stock goes down
People take this as a bad sign and sell.

As for the health of the company, I doubt it’s doing well.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-04-22 12:47:18

An very, very good indicator of ill health. Catastrophic, actually.

Especially as he was only the acting CFO and was (theoretically) not responsible for any irregularities he may have found.

Then again, he may have been a nut case and his wife was about to divorce him… but I wouldn’t bet money on that no matter what the MSM may report.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-04-22 17:06:25

Suicide is never rational. Depression is treatable. Some choose to self medicate, with overachievament, drugs or suicide. The circumstances don’t matter, circumstances always present themselves. Suicide or rage family killings, triggered by stress…what was triggered was not a rational mind.

 
 
Comment by ChrisO
2009-04-22 13:02:39

It’s too early to know. While it’s certainly possible that something nasty is coming down the pipeline at Fannie/Freddie, it’s just as likely that a heavy workload and low morale brought this guy down. He was essentially brought in as acting CFO to clean out the stables, and that can’t have been an enjoyable existence. And, of course, we don’t know what his personal family and financial situation was like.

Comment by bink
2009-04-22 13:09:20

As I pointed out above, he was also VP of risk management before he was promoted to CFO. Sorta like being VP of corporate ethics at Enron.

 
 
 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-04-22 10:35:22

Seen live on Fifth Ave.

Man hawking “Obama-brand” condoms.

The live pitch in very loud tones: “best stimulus you will get”.

I love this city!!!

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-04-22 10:45:41

lol

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-04-22 10:58:46

Note to self: send free samples to Grandma Sarah ‘The Barracuda” Palin ;-)

Comment by jeff saturday
2009-04-22 11:31:07

You don`t need to send any to Hillary.

 
Comment by phillygal
2009-04-22 12:34:17

Judging from the hotness of her husband Todd…

Barack is not her type.

OTOH - Todd probably doesn’t need special rubbers to stimulate her…ummm…

let me just shut up right now

Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-04-22 12:39:12

Ah c’mon, you were just getting going good… :)

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-04-22 11:17:04

There’s a Head of State joke in there somewhere.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-04-22 13:06:47

:)

 
 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-04-22 10:56:30

US Census Bureau: Fewer Americans moved to another home in 2008 than in any year since 1962.

Will 2009 and 2010 continue the trend? Muggy’s Magic 8-ball says “Yes.”

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-04-22 11:26:17

With all the tragic news further on up, here’s some FB schadenfruede you all can feel good about savoring…

Big city lights bothers Trump Tower resident

CHICAGO (AP) — Trump International Hotel and Tower stands in downtown Chicago, a location that hints at Katie Tarbox’s problem.
Tarbox tells the Chicago Tribune she did not figure in the impact of neighboring buildings when she bought her 37th-floor condominium.
Since moving into Trump Tower, Tarbox has discovered some floors of the office building across the street are lighted around the clock. The offending offices on ten floors facing Tarbox’s apartment are occupied by the prestigious law firm of Jenner & Block, which operates 24 hours a day.
Tarbox, a magazine editor, says it’s like having on a permanent night light. She said she has resorted to wearing two sets of eye masks to get some sleep.
Trump Tower management says Tarbox is the only resident to have lodged a complaint about Chicago’s bright lights.

Comment by climber
2009-04-22 16:38:54

What a dweeb. In HI we had a condo with wood blinds. When you closed the blinds it was dark - no matter the time of day.

Light isn’t like RF it’s really easy to block.

” Trump Tower management says Tarbox is the only resident to have lodged a complaint about Chicago’s bright lights.”

She’s probably the only resident on that side of the building - ha ha.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-04-22 22:55:12

She’s probably the only resident on that side of the building - ha ha.

That is it.

 
 
 
Comment by Muir
2009-04-22 11:43:17

cool inflation adjusted crude oil graph with whistles and bells

http://www.forbes.com/2005/11/01/oil-prices-1861-today-real-vs-nominal_flash.html

(hope the Fl thread comes soon, good stories on local market)

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-04-22 12:03:06

Fewer Americans moved in 2008 than in any year since 1962, according to census data released Wednesday, and immigration from overseas was the lowest in more than a decade.

The Census Bureau reported that the annual rate at which people moved dipped last year to 11.9 percent, compared with 13.2 percent in 2007 and a recent high of 20.2 percent in 1984-85. It was the lowest rate since the bureau began measuring mobility six decades ago.

Moves from one state to another plunged the most, to half the rate recorded at the beginning of the decade.

“It does show that the U.S. population, often thought of as the most mobile in the developed world, seems to have been stopped dead in its tracks due to a confluence of constraints posed by a tough economic spell,” Dr. Frey said.

How do you say “trapped”?

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-04-22 12:10:16

How do you say “trapped”?

Debt is slavery.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-04-22 12:14:19

And they signed up for it voluntarily!

Incredible, no?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 12:14:39

‘How do you say “trapped”?’

Got stucco

Comment by WT Economist
2009-04-22 12:17:17

Some are trapped, no doubt. But others may just have no place left to go.

For example, until a year or so ago unemployment in Michigan was kept down by huge number of people leaving to find jobs elsewhere. Then that stopped.

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Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-04-22 12:54:22

I can see it now…….

-More and more people won’t/can’t relocate, still inflated housing prices keep people priced out (check), or can’t/won’t take a bath on their existing house (check), or don’t want to risk relocating, because the pay increase doesn’t outweigh the risk of losing seniority or insurance (in work)

-Employers find it harder and harder to fill open positions with lowball offers.

-Employers whine to Congress for increased H1B/immigration quotas, because “they just can’t find US Americans that want to work…..”

 
Comment by Skip
2009-04-22 13:04:05

I agree, there is no place left to move to find a job. Is there any area left that has a labor shortage?

 
Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-04-22 13:42:18

Chinaherald dot net (boy did they get it wrong):

FRIDAY, MAY 11, 2007

China faces labor shortage by 2009

China is heading for a structural shortage in labor by the year 2009, leading to higher wages, says a yesterday released report by the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, according to the Chinabiz Media Watch. Occasional stories on the shortage of labor have been appearing since 2004 and were always dismissed as temporary distortions of the labor market.

According to recent research by CASS the size of the rural labor surplus has always been overestimated. In stead of the assumed 100-150 million workers, only slightly over 50 million are available as migrant workers.

The report expects a shortage of labor by 2009, spreading from the coastal areas even to those provinces that have been seen as exporters of labor in the past.

 
Comment by Blano
2009-04-22 13:52:18

“a year or so ago unemployment in Michigan was kept down by huge number of people leaving to find jobs elsewhere. Then that stopped.”

There was a recent report that over 100,000 left Michigan just in the last year, yet unemployment has still rocketed up toward 13%.

 
 
Comment by packman
2009-04-22 14:29:20

Hey - it’s throwback day!

:)

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Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-04-22 12:23:45

Let’s see…in the past year, I’ve moved from Utah to Colorado to Utah to Montana to Alaska back to Utah and will be moving again somewhere in the next couple of months (not yet sure, maybe Gold Country, California), then back to Montana in the fall.

Owning a house makes you too vulnerable to getting set in your ways…and you also accumulate too much junk.

And I’ve found for me personally it’s best to be a moving target.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 12:36:00

There has never been a better time to buy a home!

Global economy may shrink for 1st time in 60 years
By JEANNINE AVERSA, The Associated Press

11:15 a.m. April 22, 2009
Charts show IMF’s economic forecast for the U.S. and selected countries - AP

WASHINGTON — The world economy is likely to shrink this year for the first time in six decades.

The International Monetary Fund projected the 1.3 percent drop in a dour forecast released Wednesday. That could leave at least 10 million more people around the world jobless, some private economists said.

“By any measure, this downturn represents by far the deepest global recession since the Great Depression,” the IMF said in its latest World Economic Outlook. “All corners of the globe are being affected.”

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-04-22 12:37:45

The cross currents in the MSM this week are hitting fever pitch.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-04-22 12:38:22

Question for y’all: I suspect that the servicer of my mortgage (a well-known bank with HQ in the southeastern US) may be on shaky ground. Is there any way I can change mortgage servicers now, or do I have to wait until they crash and burn? Or am I stuck with them or whoever comes along to replace them?

Comment by REhobbyist
2009-04-22 21:48:33

If they fall you’ll just start getting statements from the new servicer without a break. Darn it.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 12:38:47

Remember how the San Diego tourism industry was supposed to keep the economy afloat in the absence of housing-related economic activity?

Empty rooms
A tumble in San Diego’s hotel occupancy rate since last year has left a larger stock … but tourism officials hope an $8.7 million`Happy Happens’ ad campaign can turn it around
By Penni Crabtree
Union-Tribune Staff Writer

2:00 a.m. April 22, 2009
(Jupiter Images) -
San Diego, launching a new tourism ad campaign today, is among several destinations stepping up efforts to attract visitors.

San Diego, launching a new tourism ad campaign today, is among several destinations stepping up efforts to attract visitors.

For San Diego’s sprawling tourism industry, it’s the $8 billion question: How do you pry the recession-wary out of their armchairs?

An estimated 31 million visitors to San Diego County last year spent about that much at local hotels, restaurants and tourist attractions. But with the ailing economy, those dollars are in serious jeopardy, some industry experts say.

The latest hotel performance statistics underscore the threat. In the 28 days through April 11, San Diego had the worst or second-worst drop-off in occupancy and revenue rates among rival California tourist destinations such as Los Angeles, Anaheim and San Francisco.

During that period, hotel occupancy in San Diego was about 65.9 percent, down 13.2 percent from the same time last year, according to Nashville-based Smith Travel Research. Los Angeles had a slightly worse showing, with hotel occupancy at 63.8 percent, a 13.6 percent drop from a year earlier.

In terms of revenue – or RevPAR, a crucial number that measures how much revenue a hotel generates per room – a San Diego hotel room commanded about $79.69 per day, a 25.4 percent decline from last year and the steepest drop among the major California hotel markets.

Unlike the banks, we can’t play around with our numbers,” said Jerry Morrison, a San Diego hotel consultant. “And the numbers are pretty horrible.”

SAN DIEGO’S TOURISM BY THE NUMBERS

March 15 to April 11:

65.9 percent: Hotel occupancy

13.2 percent: Decrease in occupancy from same period last year

$79.69: Revenue per available room, or RevPAR

25.4 percent: Decrease in RevPAR from last year

SOURCE: Smith Travel Research

Comment by Zombie Banks
2009-04-22 12:57:50

Yeah, who ever said $200.00 a room is a bargain.

Comment by climber
2009-04-22 16:32:57

We just stayed at a really nice place in Estes Park Colorado (gateway to Rocky Mountain National Park) for about $70/ night. Three stories, private outdoor hot tub, nestled between a solid rock wall and the Fall River. Downstairs had a full kitchen, 3/4 bath, living room with gas fireplace and dining room. Upstairs was a master bedroom with separate vanity and full bath. Up up stairs was another bedroom with queen bed, two twin beds and views in all 4 directions. What a blast and cheaper than a KOA Kabin cost us two years ago.

We’re still in the off season until June.

My family opted out of skiing this winter. We saved enough $$ to fly somewhere this summer.

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-04-22 13:02:41

Not mentioned as one of the reasons for the decrease in travel; how local government jam taxes on hotel rooms, rental cars, airport fees, etc., so they don’t have to raise taxes on the locals

I’ve personally had rooms that had taxes that upped the room rate by 20-25%…….and this is out in the Midwest.

Anyplace that gouges the out-of-towners as bad as they gouge the cigarette smokers shouldn’t act surprised when people quit traveling or smoking.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-04-22 16:54:08

My organization is having a meeting of managers in San Diego in the fall. From an e-mail I got at work today, here’s what some of the hotels under consideration are offering:

Hilton San Diego - they are the most aggressive in trying to get the business. Almost everything is a concession, including offering bus transportation each evening to downtown.

Hyatt Mission Bay - also lots of concessions, including the Presidential Suite at Government Rate.

Paradise Point Resort - they are typically a real high end property, but has really made an attractive offer.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 12:41:00

County office vacancy rate worsens
Report shows jump to nearly 19 percent
By Mike Freeman
Union-Tribune Staff Writer
2:00 a.m. April 22, 2009
OFFICE VACANCY

First quarter office vacancy rates for San Diego County’s largest business districts. Direct vacancy refers to offices that are empty today, excluding sublease space. The availability rate combines empty space and sublease space with offices that are on the market for lease but remain occupied for now.

Demand deteriorated further for San Diego County office space in the first quarter, with one research firm predicting that the market won’t recover until the end of 2011.

The vacancy rate for offices jumped to 18.7 percent in the quarter, according to a new report from CB Richard Ellis. That’s up from 15 percent a year earlier.

The report carries a stark prediction for when demand will snap back. Tonto Wheaton – the research arm of CB Richard Ellis – forecast the office market will worsen for 12 to 18 months.

Vacancy is predicted to peak at 24.5 percent in early to mid-2011. The market should begin to improve after that, the report says.

Such a vacancy rate would likely be among the highest ever in the county, real estate experts say. It could pressure landlords, especially those with big mortgages and inadequate reserves, to ride out a prolonged, steep downturn.

“If vacancy were to get that high, it would be very difficult on income-producing property,” said Will McLennan, executive vice president and chief real estate officer for Torrey Pines Bank.

Commercial real estate experts have been predicting that offices, retail buildings and warehouses will be the next shoe to drop in the financial crisis, particularly for debt-laden projects.

With vacancies up, values have plummeted. The result is that some landlords owe more on their buildings than they’re currently worth.

Direct Vacancy | Availability

1. Downtown 15.1% 18.4%

2. Mission Valley 17.8% 22.7%

3. Kearny Mesa 15.5% 22.8%

4. Carmel Valley20.2% 26.4%

5. Sorrento Mesa 17.8% 29%

6. University City 19.6% 27.1%

7. Carlsbad 26.9% 31.7%

Countywide 18.7% 24.1%

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 12:57:50

Small banks angry about treatment of big ones

‘Why are community banks paying for the sins of Wall Street banks?’

Many community banks say the financial bailout has favored large institutions. And they are upset about a special assessment the government wants to charge to shore up the Federal Deposit Insurance Fund.

Seth Perlman / AP

updated 1:01 p.m. PT, Sun., April 19, 2009

WASHINGTON - First they felt their reputations were stained by the financial meltdown. Now they’re paying a price they protest is unfair.

Small bankers are complaining loudly that they had nothing to do with the excesses of big Wall Street firms, freewheeling deals in the mortgage market and risky investments that precipitated the economic crisis.

Still, in the meltdown’s wake, community bankers find themselves under tighter scrutiny from federal regulators. They say the $700 billion financial bailout has favored large institutions. And they are upset about a special assessment the government wants to charge to shore up the Federal Deposit Insurance Fund, which failed banks are draining.

This all comes as the government, trying to stimulate the economy, pleading with banks — big and small — to lend, lend, lend.

“People on the street should be interested because community banks account for 45 percent of all small business loans,” said Camden Fine, president of the Independent Community Bankers of America. “They really are the engines of Main Street and if you have an overly aggressive and overly harsh examining atmosphere, then that causes the community banks to pull in their horns.”

“Criticism of loan portfolios in community banks has become so harsh that community bankers say, `I’ll just stop making loans until this thunderstorm passes,”‘ Fine said. He said small banks can turn to other revenue-making practices for a time and wait out the harsh examination environment.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-04-22 17:02:12

Did the community banks make huge payoffs to the pols? No? Then you have nothing to complain about. Next.

Comment by WT Economist
2009-04-22 17:32:25

Just the opposite. They were part of business associations that hired lobbyists to get the pols to cut regulations. So they can share the cost of their success.

 
 
Comment by vozworth
2009-04-22 18:07:08

What you are describing is the CRE meltdown. The Regionals have the greatest exposure to the localized Commercial LOC’s. Thats why the big hullabaloo, whose going under, and why?

The bulk of the damage in the residential has been unmasked look at the suicide today..the price of risk cannot be born across all spectrums, US bonds are the pivot point. When the foreign buyers dry up…..rates go up. So its either move rates even lower than they are now about5 to convince me to refi…or the low rates move even lower. The stickiness of RRE is about to manifest except in the most ditressed situations..tax liens hammer dropping at the courthouse steps.

Why do you think the FED is engaging QE?…..its all about liquidity in dollars. ITs the single most vocal and exacerbated bond calling in the known world of Planet Money.

 
 
Comment by Muir
2009-04-22 12:59:26

Ok, WHO pulled the plug!?

Comment by Austin_Martin
2009-04-22 13:04:38

anyone know what happened in the last hour of trading?

I just saw this article:

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12200300?source=rss

“Default notices in California soar 80 percent from previous quarter”

Comment by Rental Watch
2009-04-22 17:49:05

Alt-A, here we come. Option ARMs are picking up speed…

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-04-22 19:22:54

I have about 3 or 4 more sips left in my glass of red wine. Here is a toast to this news! A warm and fuzzy feeling of affordability coming to California in a few years! Ha! And my L.A. beach city rent down 20%. Gotta love life!

 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-04-22 13:05:28

I think FPSS was working in the shadows ;)

Comment by Muir
2009-04-22 13:10:53

PPPpppuuuusssyYYYY!!???

__

Was THAT YOU?

 
 
Comment by Kim
2009-04-22 13:05:32

Not me, but it was fun!

 
Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-04-22 13:18:29

You go outside for a bit to chase rattlers that aren’t payin’ rent and come back totally in the dark…what plug?

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-04-22 13:30:46

Day traders, riding the wind.

Watch that next step, it’s a doozy!

Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-04-22 13:38:56

Thanks, Blue, looks like the advance musta wore some folks out.

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Comment by dude
2009-04-22 13:54:35

Programs, more likely.

We have a HAL 9000 economy.

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Comment by mrktMaven
2009-04-22 14:51:00

It’s the Resistance!

 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-04-23 00:13:43

Why am I still up at this hour?

 
 
Comment by tresho
2009-04-22 13:17:08

America v. 4.0, an opinion piece
Almost everyone would be better off if we dismantled the Special Interest State, but there is no easy way to get there and no one will volunteer to go first.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-04-22 16:32:29

We will NEVER get rid of the lobbyists.

Every power that ever existed in history had it’s sycophants, petitioners and apparatchiks and always will.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-04-22 14:32:34

AP Sources: GM to close most US factories for up to 9 weeks this summer to reduce inventory
Tom Krisher, AP Auto Writer
Wednesday April 22, 2009, 5:23 pm

General Motors Corporation

DETROIT (AP) — Two people briefed on the plan say General Motors Corp. will close most of its U.S. factories for up to nine weeks this summer because of slumping sales and growing inventories of unsold vehicles.

The people did not know exactly when the shutdowns would occur, but both say they will include the normal two-week closure in July to change from one model year to the next. Neither person wanted to be identified because workers have not been told of the shutdowns.

GM spokesman Chris Lee would not comment other than to say the company notifies employees before making any production cuts public.

GM is living on $13.4 billion in government loans and faces a June 1 deadline to restructure or seek bankruptcy protection.

Comment by bananarepublic
2009-04-22 15:40:16

They only make one car I even give a crap about and that is the Z06. And since they raised the price over $25,000 in the last 5 years it doesn’t sound to me that they are “desperate” for business.

Besides, it is so much easier to buy a well-built car from Japan or Europe.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 16:01:31

My family still can’t afford to purchase a home, but at least the squatters are finding the myriad vacant homes that dot the California landscape a convenient source of free shelter.

On The Cover/Top Stories
Is California Going Bust?
Matt Woolsey, 03.25.09, 06:00 PM EDT
Forbes Magazine dated April 13, 2009

There has been many a time in California’s history when it seemed to outsiders to be barreling toward a cliff and to insiders as a place for unbounded optimism. A favorite Silicon Valley bumper sticker says, “Dear God, one more bubble before I die.”

That optimism is being sorely tested. Statewide unemployment, at 10.1%, is well above the national average of 8%. Per capita income growth, which used to be above average, is now lagging. In the last year home prices fell 35% in San Francisco, 30% in San Jose and 27% in San Diego, according to Radar Logic, a New York real estate derivatives firm. Half of the home sales in Los Angeles are from banks dumping foreclosed properties at steep discounts.

Tent cities of displaced homeowners have sprung up in the state’s Central Valley–even in the capital, Sacramento. Anthony Sanders, a professor of real estate finance at Arizona State, terms the huddles Mozilovilles, after the former Countrywide Financial chief executive. “Fresno is a nuclear wasteland. I wish there were a nicer way to say it,” says Patrick Lashinsky, chief executive of ZipRealty ( ZIPR - news - people ) in Emeryville.

The squatters living in abandoned homes are a greater threat to the economy than unemployment and crashing housing, Lashinsky says. “The damage done to the homes makes the ultimate resolution of foreclosed properties even more expensive to investors and banks.” In Riverside suburb Lake Elsinore, families of bobcats have taken up residence in vacant homes. The cats miss just as many mortgage payments, but at least they don’t steal copper pipes.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-04-22 16:26:09

Yeah, cause vandalism, drug abuse and arson are far better uses for abandon homes than some damn squatters actually acting like they live their and watching out for the place. :roll:

Comment by ecofeco
2009-04-22 16:27:43

Oh fudge… “there”. :lol:

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-04-22 16:58:04

It’s the gypsies. They caused this mess.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-04-22 18:14:44

“The squatters living in abandoned homes are a greater threat to the economy than unemployment and crashing housing, Lashinsky says.” “The damage done to the homes makes the ultimate resolution of foreclosed properties even more expensive to investors and banks.”

The real threat isn’t the the squatters, but the lenders. The lenders created the problem by making loans that should never have been made and could solve the problem by selling those houses at the market price. Occupied houses aren’t targets for squatters and housing priced at the market won’t sit vacant in much of the country.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 16:04:21

Here is something to watch with the onset of peak Alt-A and prime ARM resets over the next couple of years. Too bad they are just using the median sale price instead of a cleaner method that does not confound home size with market value, such as the Case-Shiller repeat sales methodology.

Real Estate
Introduction: Forbes Luxury Housing Index
Matt Woolsey, 04.22.09, 04:00 PM EDT
Each week, we track sale prices in the 500 most expensive neighborhoods by ZIP code.

A residential real estate index should act as a bellwether, a leading indicator of what’s happening in a particular market. And it should be something you can’t find anywhere else.

That’s what the Forbes Luxury Housing Index offers. How does it differ from other indexes such as the S&P/Case-Shiller Home Price Indices or the Radar Logic Residential Property Index?

They track metropolitan statistical areas (MSAs)–geographic entities defined by the U.S. Office of Management and Budget for use by federal agencies in collecting, tabulating and publishing federal statistics–which extend beyond the boundaries of the city center after which they are named. The San Francisco MSA, for example, might be down 20%, but that number includes prices in the city of San Francisco, where properties generally hold their value; Vallejo, a bankrupt city in the North Bay; Oakland, which has been devastated by foreclosures, and depending on the index you use, San Jose–a city of over 1 million people on its own.

What does that tell you about the area’s exclusive neighborhoods like Pacific Heights, or Belvedere across the bridge? Not much. Just as the price of homes in Babylon, N.Y., Newark, N.J., and Pike County, Pa., tell you almost nothing about what’s happening in tony Soho or the Upper East Side of Manhattan. All are part of the New York-New Jersey-Pennsylvania MSA, but they have wildly different property values.

The Forbes Luxury Housing Index offers a more granular look at high-end markets by tracking the weekly median home sale prices of the 500 most expensive ZIP codes in the country, using real estate statistics provided by Altos Research, a Mountain View, Calif.-based real estate derivatives research group.

With these 500 data points, we can track sales prices, days a home is on the market and how both are changing. Even better: Unlike most indexes, which measure housing monthly or quarterly, our data updates every week as new sales are recorded.

Each week, our index will update the biggest gainers and losers in the luxury market, and we’ll provide analysis of the trends occurring in the highest end of the real estate market.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 16:22:19

What I saw in the Bay Area during the aftermath of the tech stock bust was that high end (e.g. South Bay) home sales pretty much dried up. I expect no difference this time, as high end homes are normally owned by wealthy individuals who can afford to wait out a downturn in order to avoid selling at a loss. Unfortunately, the median sale price is potentially an extremely noisy measure of market value in a market where liquidity has essentially dried up.

Comment by Rental Watch
2009-04-22 17:54:55

I agree. The Forbes index shows Menlo Park up 11% year on year. However, what I see in West Menlo is a lot of houses on the market and very few transactions happening. It is very common for homes to come down in asking price.

I think if they were to track median sale price per square foot they would have seen a significant decline, not an increase.

 
Comment by SV guy
2009-04-22 19:21:07

PB, I live in one of those communities you speak of (Los Altos). There are four homes for sale within a 1/4 mile of me and none of them are moving. Reality has come home to roost.

Mike

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 22:15:03

We see the same thing in nearby Rancho Santa Fe. Sales are virtually nonexistent. What does the median sale price mean if only two homes are selling each month?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 16:44:32

Financial Times
Clever wheezes do not mend banks
By William Cohan
Published: April 22 2009 18:32 | Last updated: April 22 2009 18:32

So, what do all the $12.7bn (€9.8bn, £8.7bn), and counting, in first-quarter profits from what used to be known as Wall Street add up to? Have the past two years been one giant head fake, despite what we have been led to believe? Is the global meltdown we have been subsidising with trillions of taxpayer dollars over? Is the investment bank back?

Not so fast. While global banking activity has picked up considerably since the financial ice age that followed the collapse of Lehman Brothers – the nadir was September 29, the day the US Congress failed to pass the first version of the troubled asset relief programme and the market plunged 778 points – the thaw has been aided and abetted by some very clever schemes.

A true return of profitability on Wall Street will come with the return of public confidence in the way it does business. Concepts such as honesty and transparency are key, not a bunch of accounting gimmicks designed to manufacture profits and send markets soaring. The public will remain sceptical of the recovery – and the return of the investment banks – until then.

The writer is a contributing editor at Fortune and is the author of House of Cards: a Tale of Hubris and Wretched Excess on Wall Street

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-04-22 16:53:58

You’re still talking about perception, without basis in reality.

Yeah, let’s talk up honesty, that will make everything better!

Comment by packman
2009-04-22 18:48:44

Yep. The media can talk up old fashioned values, and intangible and indeterminate goals all it wants. But in the end the main thing that’s needed to get us out of this mess is simple - removing debt. That’s tangible and it’s measurable.

 
 
 
Comment by Renfield
2009-04-22 18:22:05

Looks like along with the dailies the Aus government is finally beginning to abandon the RE industry here…either that or the Aus PTB finally are waking up to the reality of the Global Depression That Has Yet to be Named.

1) PM Kevin Rudd says the “first homeowner’s grant” of $14K-$21K will not be extended beyond 30 June. He explains it with the informative: “It’s had strong useful results so far, but I have got to say all good things must come to an end.” More likely they’ve just finished doling out the stimulus funds for this year and are afraid to hand out more until the impact of point #2 below is clearer:

2) The IMF has just announced that the Aus economy will shrink faster than the global average this year. You can read all about these if you’re interested at the Sydney Morning Herald or Australian sites, but those are the relevant bits and the rest of the articles are just moaning by our Treasurer at how hard he finds it to put together a budget (my synopsis not his exact words).

I don’t pay much attention to IMF figures since they predict unemployment at 6.8% this year, and meanwhile it’s already hit 6.5% (using the same doctored statistics the US does). (And even our Treasurer admits unemployment will probably be at 10% this year.) The IMF also predicts a contraction here of 1.4%. (HA!!) So for whatever that’s worth. My main point is that the outlook for Aus this year is looking more and more like a bit of a quicker fall to make up for the delay.

Link in next post in the interests of time.

 
Comment by Renfield
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 19:01:50

Danke schoen.

Comment by Renfield
2009-04-22 20:01:51

Bitte! :-D Bonne appetit.
(How do you say FWIW in Deutsche.)

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 22:17:22

Ich weiss nicht, wie sagt man FWIW auf Deutsch.

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Comment by Renfield
2009-04-22 23:00:44

Showoff. :-P

 
Comment by mattR
2009-04-23 06:48:32

Warum nicht?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by packman
2009-04-22 18:39:38

Economists Seek Breakup of Big Banks

The more I read of Joseph Stiglitz, the more I like this guy. I believe he’s fairly Keynesian, but seems to have the right idea with the banks being too big for their britches. He slams the TARP every chance he gets.

Comment by vozworth
2009-04-22 19:19:02

Timbabwe haiku
drowning in US dollars
liberated wing

 
 
Comment by neuromance
2009-04-22 18:46:36

“Columbia University professor Joseph Stiglitz and MIT professor Simon Johnson warned the Joint Economic Committee of Congress that the current government policy of propping up troubled financial giants could impede an economic recovery.

They each said spending taxpayer dollars freely on behalf of struggling big banks risks drowning U.S. productive capacity in debt — while handing what amounts to an enormously costly subsidy to politically powerful financial sector insiders…”

http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/21/news/too.big.fortune/?postversion=2009042112

Comment by packman
2009-04-22 19:21:51

LOL - you must have a great mind. :) (see my post above - same thing from a different source)

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 22:18:32

Same stuff I posted yesterday :-) :-)

 
 
 
Comment by neuromance
2009-04-22 18:48:08

More “Bailouts distorting economy and impeding recovery”:

“The current federal bailouts of big financial firms is distorting the economy and prolonging the crisis, said Kansas City Fed President Thomas Hoenig in testimony to Congress on Tuesday.”

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Bailouts-distort-economy-prolong-crisis/story.aspx?guid=%7B3CE9EC61-BADB-444B-803C-6B61F79B0CAE%7D

 
Comment by bananarepublic
2009-04-22 19:08:28

A newly declassified narrative of the Bush administration’s advice to the CIA on harsh interrogations shows that the small group of Justice Department lawyers who wrote memos authorizing controversial interrogation techniques were operating not on their own but with direction from top administration officials, including then-Vice President Dick Cheney and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice.

At the same time, the narrative suggests that then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and then-Secretary of State Colin Powell were largely left out of the decision-making process.

It looks like the Bush Nazis are about to go down in flames. Here’s hoping for yellow jump suits, and a date with destiny in the Hague for all these assholes.

 
Comment by vozworth
2009-04-22 19:12:38

Im gonna tell ya why I think Hoz is gone by telling you what he sold.

1. GM
2. UCPIX
3. TMM

Ive lost money on all three. I dont want to go into how much money he made me during the fall, but its less than the sum of the losses on the three above.

When the other three he got me into come in, its all coming home, but thats another story, because this is a live album.

Comment by Renfield
2009-04-22 20:05:21

I’m so sorry to hear this. (I know it’s speculation but it seems likelier and likelier.) I was NOT sorry to hear of the death further up the thread…but Hoz being ‘gone’ from here feels like a death. My home ‘education’ files are stuffing with his posts. I hope he’s aware of how many posters AND lurkers on this blog will miss him.

I hope he’s doing OK and if he’s sick, that he is resting and recovering.

In my mental image of him he resembles Sean Connery.

 
Comment by dude
2009-04-22 20:38:51

My only bad is USO puts, but they are pretty long, and I took them on assuming I’d be losing my premium. If the inflation doesn’t hit this year, I’ll re-up next.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 22:20:34

His inverse T-bond fund recommendation (which I fortunately ignored) has yet to come to fruition, two or so years after he suggested it. (I still don’t necessarily think he was wrong — just early…)

 
Comment by ahansen
2009-04-22 22:33:49

Vozzie,
If you’re in touch with Hoz, please send him my best? Or hoist a cold one for me.

Thanks.

 
 
Comment by llking
2009-04-22 19:56:42

Unfreakingbelielable. Toll Ceo claimed 80% of US market shows sign of turning. And then stupid Cramer chimed in to claim June 30, 09 is the bottom for housing.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/30352485

Comment by dude
2009-04-22 20:40:58

Put those two statements together with the idea that liars lie and you will see the truth.

 
Comment by mtnbikegirl
2009-04-22 21:20:13

Hot damn…the nuclear winter is over. I’m gonna run out and buy me a house. Just hope it’s not made with that there Chinese dry wall.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 22:22:04

Examiner dot com
The worst is just around the corner
April 15, 11:35 AM · Add a Comment

T2 Partners, according to sources, just released an updated presentation on why there is more market pain to come, based on mortgage reset/recast schedules. We may have come through the worst of subprime defaults, but Option ARM and Jumbo Prime resets are just around the corner, they say.

But it looks as if great minds think alike. We’ve been warning of this for months in The Trader’s Pit blog. Here’s was our take.

“It shouldn’t come as a shock when mountainous Option ARM and Alt-A loans begin resetting and the second leg of the credit crisis begins.

Alt-A loans were given to borrowers with credit scores of between 620 and 700, and included the option of interest-only loans, option ARMs, and no documentation loans that required little if any documentation for loan approval. Ninety percent of those that got an Option ARM in 2006 provided little or no documentation.

Ninety percent!

And it’s estimated that only 60% of Option ARM borrowers make only minimum monthly payments. Others estimate that up to 80%.

Say a borrower makes minimum payments on a $600,000 loan. That loan could easily be a $750,000 loan within two years.

And we’re supposed to be shocked when this problem ends in the second credit crisis?”

 
 
Comment by measton
2009-04-22 20:53:52

April 23 (Bloomberg) — China Cosco Holdings Co., the world’s largest operator of dry-bulk ships, said it’s in talks to delay or cancel orders for new vessels after slumping to a second-half loss on plunging freight rates.

“The prospect for the dry-bulk shipping market remains dim,” the shipping line said in an e-mailed statement late yesterday. It didn’t say how many of the 58 commodity vessels on order it was trying to delay.

The company expects its dry-bulk traffic to tumble 44 percent this year as China’s cooling economy saps demand for iron ore, a steelmaking ingredient. Shipping lines have probably already canceled orders for 260 vessels worldwide, according to Lloyd’s Register, as they scale back growth back plans drawn up because rates crashed last year on the global recession.

“There is no sign of recovery yet,” said Gideon Lo, an analyst at DBS Vickers Hong Kong Ltd. “China Cosco is likely to have a loss this year.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 22:34:46

These Option ARMs are likely to really take their Toll.

BusinessWeek
News April 22, 2009, 8:03PM EST
Option ARM Loans Turn into Nightmares
“Flexible” loans for small business owners now threaten them with bankruptcy and home foreclosure at the same time

By Mara Der Hovanesian

California Nightmare

Statistics are scarce because lenders don’t break down loan volume by types of borrowers. But sales of option ARMs to all homeowners, according to research firm First American CoreLogic, soared more than 75%, to $255 billion, from 2005 to 2007—the height of the housing frenzy. Small business loans backed by the government dropped 4.5% in the last two years of the boom.

The problem is acute in California, where small businesses account for more than 50% of employment. Homeowners in the state are liable for 60% of all the outstanding option ARMs nationwide, according to Credit Suisse (CS). Officials are trying to forestall a wave of business failures. Preston DuFauchard, commissioner of California’s Corporations Dept., is pressing large lenders to modify the loans. “California small businesses are at risk, since they were targeted for these toxic mortgages,” says Samuel D. Bornstein, a professor at Kean University in Union, N.J.

Such efforts come too late for Pamela Plouffe of Pine Mountain Club, Calif. She refinanced her home in 2003, extracting $50,000 to buy an apparel business. Last year her monthly mortgage payment jumped from $900 to $1,700 as customers dwindled. The bank foreclosed in October. Says Plouffe, 53: “I’ve got to start over.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 22:37:47

NEWS10 abc
Foreclosure “Tsunami” Threatens Business Owners
Posted By: George Warren
4 hrs ago

STOCKTON, CA - At the peak of the housing market, Tony Martin refinanced his home to pour cash into three small businesses. But what seemed like a smart move three years ago could cost Martin his home.

Martin’s adjustable rate loan has already reset once to more than 11 percent, and could go as high as 14.4 percent. “I’m trying to figure out how I’m going to pay it,” he said.

A survey of small business owners in California shows more than a third of them used risky adjustable rate home loans to get cash for business expenses, and most said they were “very worried” about their rising payments.

The study was conducted by New Jersey-based Bornstein & Song CPAs using survey responses from MerchantCircle, a business networking Web site.

Study co-author Samuel D. Bornstein said home loan defaults could lead to more than 2 million California small business jobs lost in the next four years.

Other survey highlights:

-34.9 percent of California small business owners used risky home financing to get cash for business expenses. These mortgages are at risk of default at reset.

-29.9 percent of California small business owners are “very worried” about their monthly mortgage payment due at reset.

-28.7 percent of California small business owners are at risk of “payment shock.” They do not know the monthly mortgage payment that they will be required to pay at reset.

-17.9 percent of California small business owners are at immediate risk of default, having missed one to three or more monthly mortgage payments.

“This survey is meant to highlight we’ve got a major catastrophe coming,” Bornstein said in a telephone interview. He said resetting loans create a cash flow crisis for small business owners.

“The mortgage brokers and bankers were targeting small business owners, especially with the Alt-A mortgages,” Bornstein said.

He said a large number of Alt-A and Option ARM loans began resetting last November, and the resets will continue through 2012.

“I call it the second tsunami of foreclosures,” he said.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 22:43:13

Can anyone in the know please explain why Lewis has come down with a severe case of Spitzer face? Is the condition contagious, like some kind of venereal disease?

Wall Street Journal
* BUSINESS
* APRIL 23, 2009
Lewis Testifies U.S. Urged Silence on Deal
Bank of America Chief Says Bernanke, Paulson Barred Disclosure of Merrill Woes Because of Fears for Financial System

By LIZ RAPPAPORT

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and then-Treasury Department chief Henry Paulson pressured Bank of America Corp. to not discuss its increasingly troubled plan to buy Merrill Lynch & Co. — a deal that later triggered a government bailout of BofA — according to testimony by Kenneth Lewis, the bank’s chief executive.

Mr. Lewis, testifying under oath before New York’s attorney general in February, told prosecutors that he believed Messrs. Paulson and Bernanke were instructing him to keep silent about deepening financial difficulties at Merrill, the struggling brokerage giant. As part of his testimony, a transcript of which was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, Mr. Lewis said the government wanted him to keep quiet while the two sides negotiated government funding to help BofA absorb Merrill and its huge losses.

Bank of America CEO Ken Lewis testified he was pressured to keep silent about deepening financial difficulties at Merrill Lynch.

Q: Were you instructed not to tell your shareholders what the transaction was going to be?

A: I was instructed that ‘We do not want a public disclosure.’

Q: Who said that to you?

A: Paulson…

Q: Had it been up to you would you [have] made the disclosure?

A: It wasn’t up to me.

Q: Had it been up to you.

A: It wasn’t.

Under normal circumstances, banks must alert their shareholders of any materially significant financial hits. But these weren’t normal times: Late last year, Wall Street was crumbling and BofA faced intense government pressure to buy Merrill to keep the crisis from spreading. Disclosing losses at Merrill — which eventually totaled $15.84 billion for the fourth quarter — could have given BofA’s shareholders an opportunity to stop the deal and let Merrill collapse instead.

“Isn’t that something that any shareholder at Bank of America…would want to know?” Mr. Lewis was asked by a representative of New York’s attorney general, Andrew Cuomo, according to the transcript.

“It wasn’t up to me,” Mr. Lewis said. The BofA chief said he was told by Messrs. Bernanke and Paulson that the deal needed to be completed, otherwise it would “impose a big risk to the financial system” of the U.S. as a whole.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 22:49:02

Link to above article (includes photo of Lewis with Spitzer lips):

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124045610029046349.html#mod=testMod

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-04-22 22:47:14

Wall Street Journal
* LETTERS
* APRIL 22, 2009, 8:00 P.M. ET

The WSJ’s Early Storm Warnings

The Journal’s editorial page has an incredibly accurate track record in predicting problems that would result from bad economic policy decisions over the last 10 years. I know, because I remember your warnings about loose monetary policy in the early 2000s, the pernicious effects of the growth of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and so on.

To my knowledge, only The Economist comes close to the Journal’s record in having the foresight to warn about the root causes of the global crisis we’re living through today. Yet strangely, in my opinion, you have done a very poor job of publicizing your track record and proving that the causes of today’s problems are actually understandable and were quite foreseeable. Some regular readers like me may remember your warnings over the years, yet I doubt the majority does.

More importantly, non-Journal readers are totally oblivious to your track record. The reason this is important is that a misunderstanding of the true causes of today’s crisis may lead to disastrous new policy errors — witness Barney Frank’s new proposal on guaranteeing municipal bond issues, which you recently warned about (”Barney Frank’s Double Indemnity,” Review & Outlook, April 17).

In order to set the record straight, here is a modest recommendation: Summarize in a full page all the editorials over the last 10 years that warned against policy errors which were not addressed and led to the problems we are having today. Publish it on the editorial page and take full-page ads in competing mass print and online media . You’ll be getting recognition for your track record, bolstering your influence going forward, and educating the public at large. A win-win for you and the country.

Miguel Roman
Chatham, N.J.

 
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