It’s What Has To Happen
It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, many banks and certain states had frozen foreclosures in a run up to details of President Obama’s rescue housing plan. Now companies are flooding the market with eviction notices. Last month Michael Taylor and his family walked away from their two-story brick home in Riverside rather than face the frustration and humiliation that comes with what they call the dreaded ‘f’ word; foreclosure. ‘They told us, hold on help is on the way,’ recalls Mr. Taylor. Owing more than the house was worth the Taylor’s failed to qualify for loan modification. ‘Now we know that was a costly mistake,’ said Ms. Taylor.”
“‘We were reduced to groveling idiots, begging, pleading with lenders, rescue specialists, just about anyone willing to listen,’ she said. In the end the family resorted to sending ‘jingle mail’ (house keys and a note) to their lender.”
“For Olive 8 and Fifteen Twenty-one Second Avenue — a pair of glistening high-rise, high-end downtown Seattle condo towers — 2009 is a year of reckoning. Now the 400-foot-tall buildings are nearly finished. Fifteen Twenty-one started closing deals with buyers in late November, Olive 8 earlier this month. But the real-estate bubble, of course, has burst. And some of those once-eager buyers from 2006 and 2007 are backing out, often at considerable expense to themselves and, perhaps, the projects’ developers’”
“At Fifteen Twenty-one, developer Opus Northwest says more than one-quarter of the original buyers have walked away, some forfeiting deposits of $100,000 or more. Olive 8 developer R.C. Hedreen tried to limit the number of investors — buyers who didn’t intend to live at Olive 8 — but David Thyer, president of R.C. Hedreen says that, in retrospect, that effort wasn’t as successful as planned.”
“‘A lot of the concern [about closing] and some of the fallout now is coming from speculators that were involved in 2006,’ he says.”
“Michael Linkenauger, a short sales specialist for First Coast Realty Associates, said he thinks the first wave of foreclosures in Jacksonville’s Northside near downtown may be close to having run its course. ‘Some have been in proceedings for two years,’ he said. ‘I don’t know where we’re heading here. It’s a really wild time. I can’t tell what’s going to happen next.’”
“Sellers are stymieing themselves by putting their homes on the market at prices suited to yesterday’s market, he said. ‘In order to get your house sold, you’re going to have to give someone a steal of a deal,’ he said. ‘But when you buy, you’re going to get a steal of a deal.’”
“But this crisis is at least better than the dot-com crisis of 2001 because when those stocks tanked, there was no other value to them, she said. Houses have an intrinsic value beyond appraisal or price, said Shari Olefson, a partner of Fowler White Boggs in Fort Lauderdale. ‘You still need a place to live, and it’s better to own than rent,’ she said.”
“Sales of existing single-family homes surged again in South Florida last month…as the triple draw of low interest rates, tumbling prices and a new $8,000 first-time-homeowner tax credit lured in buyers. Davis Pagan and his wife Lesli, of San Diego, are currently in Miami for 10 days of house hunting. The couple, who plan to move to South Florida within the next two months, decided against renting, fearing that if they waited a great opportunity could pass them by.”
”’There is always a chance the market could change in six months, so we are buying now,’ said Pagan, 33, who works for the Coast Guard and is being transferred to Miami in June. ‘Our lender told us they could lock us in at 4.8 percent.”’
“In Miami-Dade, the March median home price slipped to $205,600, a 39 percent drop from March 2008. The median condo price fell 43 percent to $151,000. The median selling price for a single-family home in Broward County fell 30 percent to $219,500. The median condo price fell 40 percent to $82,100. It is unlikely home prices will see a turnaround anytime soon because thousands of homes hat remain on the market. In both counties, roughly 61,000 homes and condos were for sale. In March, a total of 2,546 properties changed hands.”
“An abundance of foreclosures and other distressed property sales also will continue putting downward pressure on pricing, analysts said.”
“The Pagans said they were looking for a house in the $300,000 to $350,000 range, which puts more than half of the homes in Miami-Dade and Broward within their reach. Pagan said that compared to San Diego, also considered a highly desirable market, Miami prices were a great bargain. He echoed the attitudes of foreign buyers and others from outside the area who now find South Florida prices enticing compared to those in other top domestic locales.”
”’Even outside of [San Diego], foreclosures are still selling for $400,000,’ Pagan said.”
“A second, punishing wave of home foreclosures is poised to strike just as the subprime mortgage mess ebbs. Kelly Edmiston, senior economist for the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, dropped that unwelcome forecast at the Fed’s Money Smart Day program. Lenders laid the groundwork for this second foreclosure wave in 2005 and 2006, Edmiston said. Those years saw a surge in mortgages on which borrowers were required to make relatively small monthly payments for the first five years. It was the height of the housing bubble, and buyers turned to such loans.”
“‘I don’t expect the foreclosure problem to get much better in the next couple of years. In fact, it may well get worse,’ Edmiston said.”
“Nevada set a record in March with more than 10,000 homeowners defaulting on mortgage payments, and the price of existing homes sold last month in Las Vegas plummeted to its lowest level since 2001, raising the question how much further they can fall. Since June 2006 the median price of existing homes sold has fallen 53 percent from $289,500 to March’s $134,900. The price fell $7,600 from February to March, according to research firm SalesTraq.”
“‘Every time I see it go down $3,000 to $5,000, I am surprised,’ said Dennis Smith, president of Home Builders Research. ‘I don’t know how low it can go. I remember when I thought it would be difficult to go below $200,000.’”
” Daren Blomquist, RealtyTrac’s marketing communications manager, said his firm is hearing anecdotal reports from real estate agents that many homeowners who can afford to stay in their homes are choosing to walk away because the values have fallen so far. ‘I think it is already a problem and will continue to be a problem,’ Blomquist said. ‘A lot of owners don’t have motivation to stay in their home. I don’t think we have seen the full extent of the people who have walked away that we will eventually see. There is no incentive for people to continue to make that payment on homes that are vastly underappreciated in value.’”
“With vacant lots equaling the number of completed buildings and ‘for rent’ signs taped inside many of the windows, the Village of Centennial Springs looks much like commercial real estate projects all over the valley. ‘Inspirada brings to the valley … a community unlike any other in Las Vegas,’ Focus Property Group Chairman John Ritter said two years ago, in describing the 1,950-acre Henderson subdivision then touted as the largest new urbanist project in the country.”
“‘I don’t care if it’s new urbanism or old urbanism, nothing is working right now,’ Home Builders Research President Dennis Smith said.”
“A large apartment complex in Anthem is under threat of foreclosure because its owners failed to make recent payments on their $40 million mortgage loan, according to documents filed recently with the Maricopa County Recorder’s Office. Local real estate experts say many Phoenix-area apartment projects have been struggling because of increased competition from foreclosed homes for rent and economic ailments linked to the Valley’s growing unemployment rate.”
“‘The majority of these properties were financed during the boom years, and the owners’ per-unit cost is so high that they have trouble competing with the residential rental market,’ said Zach Bowers of Mesa research firm Ion Data.”
In March, tenants and employees at 13 Valley apartment complexes operated by California-based investment firm the Bethany Group learned their projects had been placed in receivership, in which the borrower’s management team is replaced in preparation for the change to bank ownership.
‘Donald Mudd, senior vice president at Grubb & Ellis/BRE Commercial in Phoenix, said owners of all types of commercial real estate expect declining revenues in the coming year. Commercial building vacancy rates already are approaching their highest levels in decades, he added. ‘We have just begun to see the tip of the iceberg,’ he said.”
“The Salt Lake Board of Realtors says new local and federal housing incentives will make a big difference to Utah’s housing market. ‘People are kind of excited about this, and there is a little bit of a buzz, and I actually think we might see things really pick up here because it’s just a time where if you are thinking about buying at all, you can’t pass up these opportunities its almost crazy to not take advantage of this,’ said Board President Ryan Kirkham.”
“The supply of unsold new homes in North Texas is less than half what it is in hard-hit markets in California and Florida. But that doesn’t mean the housing industry here hasn’t suffered. Single-family home starts have fallen more than 60 percent since the peak in 2006. And several prominent homebuilding firms in the area have gone out of business.”
“‘We’ve seen some fallout and are likely to see some more,’ said Texas builders president Ron Connally of Amarillo. ‘There are a lot of good builders out there who haven’t done anything wrong who have been caught.’”
“The National Association of Home Builders has seen its membership decline by almost 50,000. ‘Our biggest obstacle is getting the financing,’ Connally said. ‘We very well could wake up and see shortages in the market by the time this thing sorts out.’”
“Fresno County’s unemployment rate soared to 17% last month — its highest level in a decade — even as the work force expanded. Figures released by the state Employment Development Department also show California’s unemployment rate climbed to 11.5%, the highest since comparable records were first collected in 1976.”
“The Valley’s turbulent economy and increased competition for work are forcing some to turn to jobs on society’s fringes to make ends meet. In an average week, for example, between 25 and 30 women call to answer a help-wanted ad for exotic dancers — about twice as many as a year ago, said Spice 1 Entertainment owner Albert Ellis.”
“‘I’m seeing a lot of professional women who were doing other work — teachers, nurses, real estate agents, all walks of life — turning to dancing now,’ Ellis said.”
“In a witch hunt, the witches have feelings, too. As populist rage has erupted around the country, stoked by canny politicians, an opposite rage has built on Wall Street and other arenas where the wealthy hold sway. Its expression is more furtive and it’s often mixed with a kind of sublimated shame, but it can be every bit as vitriolic. ‘AIG pissed some people off, and now you’re gonna screw everyone on Wall Street?’ rails a laid-off JPMorgan vice-president.”
“Of course, it is precisely the flawed risk management that has brought Wall Street salaries under scrutiny. ‘There’s this perception that the people on the Street were making money for nothing,’ says a mortgage-investment banker. ‘You have a political and media class who make the mortgage originators and bankers out to be the villains. But are they? They were doing what Congress wanted them to do. Is the guy who lied on his mortgage application the victim here? This whole narrative that the downtrodden were the victims and the money guys were the perpetrators really doesn’t stand up to rational challenge.’”
“But the issue of pay is hardly ever discussed rationally. ‘Compensation gets so emotional,’ says the Bear Stearns managing director. ‘Everyone has a point of view. The truth is, the market determines what people are worth. Did I think I was overpaid? You betcha. But a lot of people are overpaid.’”
“Are real estate reality shows on cable these days more reflective of the challenging housing market? The TV genre has been lambasted in some circles for pumping extra air into the real estate bubble by encouraging novices to ‘flip’ houses like the pros.”
“Two new shows, ‘Real Estate Intervention’ and ‘The Unsellables,’ focus on fixing down-on-their-luck properties to bring them to market. New to the cable lineup this year is ‘Deals on the Bus’ on TLC, which chronicles the latest in real estate: the ‘repo’ or foreclosure bus tour. The concept is simple: Pile a bunch of people onto a bus and take them on a three- or four-hour tour of six to eight foreclosed homes. If you’re lucky, a couple of deals will be made and excess inventory will come off the market.”
“You don’t get that same sense of wanting to educate buyers from ‘Deals on the Bus.’ There, it’s about grabbing ‘once-in-a-lifetime’ opportunities. ‘Ride along as we search the country for the American dream,’ says the show’s announcer. By the end of the 30-minute show, a woman was signing an offer for it and her future sister-in-law, who had come along for the ride, was putting in an offer for a $300,000 home that she just couldn’t resist.”
“One complaint about the show (aside from not showing a — voila! — kitchen makeover) is that the word ‘foreclosure’ isn’t uttered once. Rather than convey the magnitude of the country’s foreclosure mess, it seems to offer a tag sale of half-price homes. So much for reality.”
“A report released Thursday by the Florida Association of Realtors told a familiar story for the local housing market - home prices are down, but sales are up, way up. Foreclosures are again the main culprit for decreased home prices, but they are also the reason home sales are increasing. The continuing slide of home prices is another step toward the elusive bottom of the market, as the effects of the recent housing boom and bust reverberate throughout the economy.”
“‘This is the healthiest thing that can happen in this market,’ commercial Realtor Gary Tasman said. ‘It’s what has to happen.’”
“As a country barber in business for more than 50 years, he summoned the help of his friends - and he has plenty of those. One brought a portable saw mill, one electrical tools, yet another a planer, and many more their friendship, muscles and good advice. In what could only be called an East Tennessee version of an Amish barn-raising, this band of brothers gradually built my dad’s little red house.”
“While subdivisions of cheaply-constructed $200,000 McMansions sprang up all around, most erected lickety-split on emerald pasture fields that were once a sacred part of our East Tennessee heritage, my dad’s country bungalow was built on his own land for less than $8,000.”
“Now caught in the grasp of a financial crisis that threatens to destroy us, what lessons can we glean from my dad’s little red house? A good many. After 20 years of buying (now devalued or worthless) stocks and spending our hard-earned money on retail therapy at the mall, America is suffering a mind-numbing consumption hangover.”
“At my dad’s little red house, everything is prime, not subprime; there is no housing bubble, no credit card debt, no mortgage. It is all long paid for by hard-earned and hard-saved cash, and the freezer is well stocked with venison and Kentucky bass. Meanwhile, in the garden, this year’s litter of young cottontails frolic happily in the fragrant dirt, their little bellies full of sweet Tennessee grass. Less really is more.”
‘I don’t care if it’s new urbanism or old urbanism, nothing is working right now,’ Home Builders Research President Dennis Smith said.’
Letting go of these housing bubble by-products and myths is hard, but another one bites the dust. My thanks to those who support this blog. Please check back this weekend.
“[N]othing is working right now.” Don’t forget price. A great price seems to be working pretty well.
Foreclosures soaring over California
Wall Street Journal
* April 24, 2009, 11:55 AM ET
Foreclosures Set to Soar in California
By Nick Timiraos
California is about to get hit by another foreclosure wave.
Pre-foreclosure notices in the state jumped by 80% in the first quarter of 2009 from the previous quarter, according to a new report from DataQuick Information Systems of San Diego, a sign that foreclosures in California will rise sharply in the coming months.
Foreclosure moratoria and a state law that slowed down foreclosures had artificially depressed new foreclosure filings at the beginning of the year. The newest data shows how those foreclosures are wending through the system as lenders play “catch-up.”
Some 135,000 default notices were sent out in the first three months of the year, an 80% increase from the fourth quarter of 2008 and a 19% increase from the previous year period. That’s higher than any quarter DataQuick has measured since its tally began in 1992.
This foreclosure moratorium is so stupid, how are bottom feeders (like me) supposed to start cleaning up the inventory when they’re hiding it? I can’t tell what anything is worth until all the REOs hit the market. They’re just dragging out the process.
Go get ‘em, girl!
‘I can’t tell what anything is worth until all the REOs hit the market.’
And these guys pretend that all buyers don’t know this and will just jump in anyway. Of course those that do, like the SD couple looking in Florida above will likely fall underwater and walk. The Coast Guard people I knew in Texas weren’t paid enough to afford $300k houses, BTW.
“…the SD couple looking in Florida above will likely fall underwater and walk.”
Given that he works for the Coast Guard, perhaps he has underwater experience?
Yeah… The CG couple is most disturbing. I can’t imagine the gargantuan garbage box 300-400k could buy in FL. Even writing a check for it, I wouldn’t want it. Yet these morons willingly head to the slaughterhouse, even after everything going down around them.
It’s gonna be a long time before the stupidity gets wrung out of the system.
I don’t know what percent of the people who work for the Coast Guard are required to maintain a security clearance, but a big hit to the credit rating will kill that top secret for you PDQ.
That is the truth, Polly.
My (most) recent catastrophe (which Blue Cross has been weaseling out of at every turn,) has resulted in my no longer being cleared to even consult(!) on the research I initiated, developed, and process-patented…effectively shutting down the project. Same goes for the designated National Assets recently laid off from JPL and NASA. Talk about short-sighted policy!
“My (most) recent catastrophe (which Blue Cross has been weaseling out of at every turn…”
I had the same issues w/BC, so I went to an Attorney for coaching (I did the work). I resolved it (they paid my claims), and I protected my credit and sanity. The cost was minimal.
“The CG couple is most disturbing.”
They have been successfully inculcated with the San Diego real estate religious faith, that is for sure.
Instead of a dream, what they will find in Miami is Chinese drywall, mold, and insects - lots of insects.
“My (most) recent catastrophe (which Blue Cross has been weaseling out of at every turn,) has resulted in my no longer being cleared to even consult…”
Grrr. You get insurance to pay for unexpected events… and then THEY’RE supposed to hold up their end of the bargain. Foot-dragging is one of the reasons we changed car insurance carriers; I can’t imagine having to fight over medical.
lag,
I’m -all about- transparency, and no one is more frustrated than me? But it really isn’t “their” inventory any more now is it? I don’t believe the banks are calling the shots on this one.
At Fifteen Twenty-one, developer Opus Northwest says more than one-quarter of the original buyers have walked away, some forfeiting deposits of $100,000 or more.
At Olive 8, at least 10 percent of the project’s buyers, who either can’t or don’t want to close, have retained lawyers in hopes of getting their earnest money back. “We’re talking $20,000 and up,” says Craig Blackmon, who represents five buyers.
HAHAHAhAAHAH! Nohow! You mean we’re not different here?
HAHAHAHaaaa!
…Say, there was another Seattle luxury Condo development, had a pretentious name, can’t recall it, I posted a link to it last month. It was Italiany…I’m gonna go look for the link. That one, too, was delicious doom waiting to happen.
Oh, can we have a pretentious Italiany name of a luxury condo slam down?
There is one in Rockville center called The Fenestra. Which of course makes you think about the defenestration of the people who originally wanted to charge over $600K for the three bedrooms. I think they are for rent now.
LOL
Defenestration is my all-time favorite word… Unless you are hanging out with architects, hardly anyone is likely to know what your are threatening them with when you say you want to defenestrate them!
IIRC the German word for window is “fenster”. How’s that for a hint?
I kinda like “transfenestration.” It means the same thing…
… except you don’t bother to open the window first.
Then about a mile away from me is “Tuscany” in Meridian ID.
http://www.tuscany-meridian.com
The places there are not really any better than in my sub but they want 30% or so more. My sub is all sold out but there’s a lot of vacant lots sitting idle in “Tuscany”.
Here’s my entry from West Sacramento. Streets named “Torino”, “Milano”, and “Genova.” This place was completed in 2006 and consists of condos sold back then for about $300,000 each. They’re actually very nice. Now they are coming on the market a few at a time for about $145,000 as short sales and foreclosures. The entire place is more than 50% under water and will turn over completely in the next couple of years.
Yeah, sure, you guys are different. It rains so much over there that your excess inventory will mold out muuuuuuch sooner than the stuff in SoCal. So you’re good.
“When I talked to my friends in November and December at firms like Goldman, they would tell me, ‘If the government doesn’t bail us out, we’re going down.’ They really thought they were going to zero, and without exception, they all forget that now,” he says. “They forget that their company’s stock was going to zero. It’s a state of delusion; they don’t remember those days. The flip side of that is, every guy except the Goldman guy remembers that Goldman was bailed out.”
Already?
The arrogance and entitlement of those who have come out ahead over the past 30 years is amazing. It comes from only comparing themselves with others like them, and never giving a thought to their situation relative to other people, and the effect of the former on the latter.
You see it with the executives — he got X so I deserve X + Y; I got X last year so I deserve X + Y next year.
You see it with the public employees and their rich and continually enhanced pensions — union X got a pension sweetener, so we deserve one too.
You see it in higher education — yes we cost $50,000 a year, but so do our “peer schools,” therefore our tuition is reasonable.
And you see it with the senior citizens, who can never seem to pay in too little and get out too much.
Everyone else? What about them?
But the issue of pay is hardly ever discussed rationally. ‘Compensation gets so emotional,’ says the Bear Stearns managing director. ‘Everyone has a point of view. The truth is, the market determines what people are worth. Did I think I was overpaid? You betcha. But a lot of people are overpaid.’”
Maybe that little quip is one of the reasons hard working consumers WON’T feel so bad about slamming their wallets shut tight this recession.
+1
They make a lot of money, because they spend a lot of money.
So, so true.
The college I went to (Case Western) USED to be a bargain among private colleges. That is, until the administration changed ~8 years ago and it was decided to raise tuition 10% each year to bring the school “in line with the other colleges it competes with”.
O rly?
So there’s no advantage to offering lower tuition costs and maintaining a reputation as a bargain school? I guess not, when government-sponsored loans will ensure that you’re allowed to charge whatever you want.
Actually the schools have research that shows that parents who find out that a school charges less than other schools assume the education is inferior. At least they did over the last decade or so. I’m not sure if it was valid before that.
I think that the tuition level might also play into the US News and World Report rankings.
Nearly all private colleges with competative admissions charge within a few thousand dollars of each other for tuition. Room and board might vary a little more based on location, but the tuition is remarkably consistent.
polly,
Well “I” never felt that way? Both our daughters did their first two years at “UCLA” ( University of Chemeketa on Lancaster Avenue )!
But I ‘do’ agree, and even further, there was never any risk to the ‘lenders’ on this as the student loans were guaranteed by the gov. ( read you & me ) anyway. More free money for banks.
West Valley JC once had its campus in Campbell CA on Latimer Avenue, giving rise to its moniker as UCLA - Univ. of Calif. Latimer Avenue.
My mom got a huge wake up on this one. After shelling big bucks for a master’s degree in public health from the University of Michigan she found herself working for $12 / hour with no prospects for a career. After two years at Washtenaw Community College and a fine associates degree in computer science she was employed and has been ever since.
She was flat out amazed at how much more personal attention she got at the community college. Granted, they didn’t have viral research programs and the associated laboratory, but who gives a crap if it doesn’t pay.
There are a whole lot of high dollar but worthless degrees being peddled by universities.
I paid about $225/quarter “fees” to attend UCSC and UCSD in the 1970’s. The Univ. of Calif. system was proud not to charge any tuition at all at the time, calling any billing “fees” instead. Still a year’s fees was about $700 and you got a great education.
Polly, the observation that low tuition makes a negative impression goes back at least to the 1980’s, when a new President at Mount Holyoke decided to cut the tuition by (maybe) 20%. What happened? The application pool shrank! Parents thinking, if they don’t charge as much as Smith and Vassar, they can’t be as good. After a few years the new President got the message and the Mt Holyoke tuition went back up to match those of the other elite women’s colleges.
OTOH, the current economic situation could make people rethink the utility of signing yourself into a lifetime of slavery to get a high-priced degree. Esp as most of the “elite” institutions charge you three times what they have to — one tuition for you, and two more for those who can prove they can’t afford it.
I graduated from SDSU 6 years ago, and tuition was 900 a semester. I graduated with 0 debt…a clean slate. At my first job out of school I worked with a guy from USC with 60k of debt and our salaries were identical.
I will never understand how people justify the $$$ behind a private education. Education is what you make of it, no matter where you go.
OMG, you too?!!! I’m class of 2001; what are you? When I went to CWRU, I think the tuition was something like $18k; living in Kusch and eating at Friblee was something like $8k additional. Now CWRU costs more than Harvard undergrad.
http://www.rivahoa.com/rivahoa/outside_home.asp
Whoops, I forgot the link.
My first year of medical school tuition at UCSF was only $1000. Those were the days. I feel sorry for students nowadays - hundreds of thousands in loans for an M.D. Limits your options.
Everyone else? What about them?
I think we are part of the “trickle down” economic theory. You know, if the rich get a big pile of money, then we can work as their servants for a pittance, and should be damned glad they provided us with employment opportunities. It’s a rigged game, in their favor, with no allowance for failure, but they think they “earned” it.
I feel so privileged that I can breathe the same air.
The Quiet Coup from The Atlantic, what do you think of this:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200905/imf-advice
I have already posted this article, but its message is so relevant and powerful that I think it would not hurt to post it on a weekly basis for the foreseeable future.
Economy May 2009 Atlantic
The crash has laid bare many unpleasant truths about the United States. One of the most alarming, says a former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund, is that the finance industry has effectively captured our government—a state of affairs that more typically describes emerging markets, and is at the center of many emerging-market crises. If the IMF’s staff could speak freely about the U.S., it would tell us what it tells all countries in this situation: recovery will fail unless we break the financial oligarchy that is blocking essential reform. And if we are to prevent a true depression, we’re running out of time.
by Simon Johnson
Great article…it should be required reading for everyone in America.
Funny how we ripped on countries like Russia and Malaysia for their financial oligarchies while we were in the process of becoming one ourselves.
It’s very true. And when you think about it, there are very few winners in this disaster, nearly all of them financial executives, the new oligarchy.
And I’m stunned that LAinvestorgirl looks favorably upon nationalization of the banks! I love this blog … . . .
Welcome to February.
“…the frustration and humiliation that comes with what they call the dreaded ‘f’ word…”
Are we now allowed to use the ‘f’ word around here?
“‘We were reduced to groveling idiots, begging, pleading with lenders, rescue specialists, just about anyone willing to listen,’ she said. In the end the family resorted to sending ‘jingle mail’ (house keys and a note) to their lender.”
Been there, done that. It can be life changing in ways you can’t imagine. Either embrace and become a new person or let it destroy you.
Can we get back to beating up on Paulson, Bernanke and Lewis?
I’d like to know how many other mergers –err, I mean bailouts — by supposedly healthy banks of insolvent investment banks/investment banks were the result of back room deals –err, threats — by Paulson and other federal officials overstepping their authority and using threats against CEOs.
For example, did the takeover of the obviously-insolvent Countrywide have the same story behind it?
What about Wells Fargo’s mergers, same thing?
“For example, did the takeover of the obviously-insolvent Countrywide have the same story behind it?”
Nope, different story just as skanky though. BOA wrote the Dodd-Shelby Mortgage Bailout bill. Writing your own bailout bill is pretty cool, huh?
Sounds like it’s time for Olive 8 to go Section 8
Well, Fort Collins continues to hang on. We looked at a nice house yesterday that listed over the weekend. http://tinyurl.com/ddwm5u
It’s already got a full price offer and is under contract. Unless the inspection finds something it’s sold, and the house was very well maintained - even the garage floor was clean and freshly painted.
One thing came up funny, though, when our realtor pulled comps. One of the nearby houses was almost clearly fraud or an exceedingly niave buyer:
http://tinyurl.com/d837g4
The sales history is just really flaky.
The market here is just unbelievable. Layoffs are coming hot and heavy from all the businesses in town and yet houses are selling at all time high prices. What’s up?
But sales volume in Ft. Fun is down. And in nearby Loveland anything above 250K just doesn’t sell.
Now Climber, maybe you should consider a house that’s less than 3000 sq ft with less than 4 bathrooms. It would be cheaper in price, not to mention energy costs.
“Michael Linkenauger, a short sales specialist for First Coast Realty Associates, said he thinks the first wave of foreclosures in Jacksonville’s Northside near downtown may be close to having run its course… ‘I don’t know where we’re heading here… I can’t tell what’s going to happen next.’”
Mikey, that’s not thinking the foreclosures are almost over, that’s HOPING. Thinking is based on reason, and you say you have no idea what’s going to happen, so you can’t possibly THINK anything. Big difference.
“But this crisis is at least better than the dot-com crisis of 2001 because when those stocks tanked, there was no other value to them, she said. Houses have an intrinsic value beyond appraisal or price, said Shari Olefson, a partner of Fowler White Boggs in Fort Lauderdale. ‘You still need a place to live, and it’s better to own than rent,’ she said.”
I’m not sure this idiot realizes people actually OWNED the stocks, they BORROWED for the houses. Minor dif, there too, Mikey. Maybe if he’d have said houses are being margin-called it would make some sense.
Rob
Rob,
LOL! Yeah and how about this golden quote:
“But this crisis is at least better than the dot-com crisis”
Oh PLEASE share with us how that is so!? PLEASE!
Other than those ACTIVELY and DIRECTLY involved, who else got hurt? Got to be the dumbest realtwhore quote in the history of bubble blogging. Right, and who lost their freaking house over that?
“I’m not sure this idiot realizes people actually OWNED the stocks, they BORROWED for the houses. Minor dif, there too, Mikey. Maybe if he’d have said houses are being margin-called it would make some sense.”
Huge difference, indeed. If you lost money on a dot.com stock, it was your loss only. Thanks to the bubble’s extreme leverage, the loss is largely the banks’ (and now the taxpayers). Chalk another one up for the MSM.
California rents always go up, right?
WRONG!
Rising joblesness pushes down apartment rent costs in the West and South
The average monthly rent fell 1.5% to $978 in the first quarter from $993 in the fourth quarter of 2008, according to data tracker RealFacts, which surveyed 12,500 apartment complexes.
Bloomberg News
April 23, 2009
Apartment rents in the U.S. West and South dropped 1.5%, marking their third consecutive decline, as higher unemployment forced some renters to combine households.
The average monthly rent dropped to $978 in the three months ended March 31 from $993 in the fourth quarter of 2008, data tracker RealFacts said in a survey of more than 12,500 apartment complexes. The average rent was $993 in the year-earlier quarter as well.
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The occupancy rate also fell for the third straight quarter, slumping to 91.4% from 92.2% in the fourth quarter and 92.6% a year earlier.
Higher unemployment is a primary reason for the declines, said Caroline Latham, owner of RealFacts, which is based in Novato, Calif.
A rising jobless rate “usually means a reduction in demand for apartments,” Latham said. “If they’re young singles, they band together and share an apartment or they go back and live with their parents.”
BTW, falling rents tend to push down home prices, as rental housing and owner-occupied housing are close substitutes, especially when owner-occupied housing is still overpriced and its price is falling. Any economist who passed undergraduate micro knows that substitute goods have positive cross-price elasticities of demand, which means that if the price of the substitute (rental housing) drops, there is less demand, and hence a lower equilibrium price, for the primary good (owner-occupied housing).
Hey, and most of the HBB vets know it too, whether they ever signed up for undergrad micro or not! — or like Big V, whose “undergrad micro” was microbiology.
You contribute a lot as a pro economist, but this particular thing is just common sense…except the REIC made war on common sense.
Heh. I remember earlier in the bubble cycle when it was theorized that the collapse of the bubble would lead to higher rents, so you had to Buy Now.
I did not tell my buddy about my rent dropping 20% here in the South Bay. This buddy of mine is a Donald Trump wannabe renting out a couple of waterfront condos in Florida. If he asks, I will tell him about the rent decrease. He’s the one who called me a rent slave.
Oh, go ahead and tell him Bill. Enjoy yourself! And show him your bankbook while you’re at it.
LA Times — Business
Mortgage defaults rise but homeowners stay put
Tony Avelar / Bloomberg News
A change in California law that made it more cumbersome for lenders to foreclose, plus a moratorium imposed by several lenders, have helped bring down the foreclosure rate. But this home in Milpitas wasn’t spared.
More Californians are missing their mortgage payments — some deliberately — but fewer are having their homes repossessed.
By William Heisel
April 23, 2009
More Californians are failing to make their mortgage payments than at any time in the last 20 years, but fewer of them are losing their homes, according to new figures.
The drop in foreclosures follows moratoriums adopted by major banks and mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The increase in loan defaults, meanwhile, suggests that rising unemployment and the continuing recession are still claiming fresh victims.
But another factor in the soaring default rate could be that some struggling homeowners are purposely skipping their payments so that they can get their loans refinanced, industry experts say.
Lenders are so backlogged with requests to adjust loan terms that “they focus on the borrowers who already are circling the drain and ignore the people who are keeping up with their payments,” said Jeff Lazerson, president of Mortgage Grader, a Laguna Niguel loan broker.
Lynne Neagle, 73, of Westminster may be a case in point.
Neagle said she and her husband had trouble paying their mortgage, but their loan servicer ignored their pleas to renegotiate terms — until they quit paying, that is.
Suddenly, she said, they were presented with new ways to lower their payments and are currently negotiating new terms through the Hope Now program set up by the federal government and some of the country’s largest mortgage lenders.
“Before we stopped making our payments, nobody wanted to deal with us,” Neagle said. “We stopped paying, and that really got their attention.”
This LA Times article has a link which lets you look up foreclosures by zip code. For instance, for pricey La Jolla, I get the following:
California foreclosures by ZIP Code
More than 135,000 notices of default — the first step toward foreclosure — were issued in the first quarter of 2009. That’s a steep increase from the end of 2008; still, actual foreclosures declined.
ZIP Code 92037
Community LA JOLLA
County SAN DIEGO
2008 Q1 Notices of Default 37
2009 Q1 Notices of Default 80
Year over Year Change (%) 116.22
2008 Q1 Foreclosures 12
2009 Q1 Foreclosures 9
Year over Year Change (%) - 25.00
The DataQuick numbers that Dude linked on the bit’s bucket show the following for La Jolla single family residence March 2009 sales:
Median sale price = $1,498,000
Percentage change from March 2008 = -31.9%
80 NODs sounds like an awfully large number for an area where one would expect most residents to be sufficiently wealthy that they would not need to bother taking out a mortgage to buy a home.
Comments on the 31.9% drop in La Jolla median SFR sale price:
1) Lots of folks who bought in La Jolla many years back when it was cheap and rode the market up expecting to sell at a high price and live in retirement off the capital gains are currently seeing their plans crash with the prices.
2) It is very hard to interpret what the 31.9% decline means for the market value of a particular house due to a couple of countervailing effects:
a) Really wealthy folks, who own the most expensive homes, are also more likely to be able to afford to wait out the correction. This tends to shift the mixture of homes that are selling down to lower levels of quality. The result of this effect is to make the median decline overstate the decline in market value for a particular home.
b) Anyone rich enough to buy a home in La Jolla right now probably needs to have rather deep pockets, given the considerable difficulty of getting a large enough Jumbo loan to finance a purchase in the $1m+ range at the moment. Those few deep-pocket buyers who are out there can buy a better quality home for the same money compared to what was available last year. This tends to shift the quality of homes purchased for the same money upwards. The result of this effect is to make the median decline understate the decline in market value for a particular home.
The net impact of countervailing effects a) and b) explains why the median is an unreliable measure of market value change in a declining market, particularly for high-end areas.
PB,
I believe a lot of once sufficiently wealthy people are a little poorer today. Low return MMF’s, CD’s and low risk returns just didn’t cut it with some of these folks.
They bought into the notion that you couldn’t have any idle money just sitting around and that you had to invest in something be it the business, stockmarket, hedge funds or RE.
Even the wealthy can be burned, trapped or end up cash poor.
I totally agree, Mikey. One of the points I made above is that you have to be really, really rich (or maybe lucky) to still be sufficiently wealthy even after the massive crash to be in the high-end real estate market. The few in this category can afford to be very choosy and can purchase a much higher quality home for the same amount of dough as they could have a year ago.
I knew 5 guys that had the mini McMansions homes, fancy cars and were all paperwork millionaires during the 80’s RE boom/bust/recession. Four had to file bk and the 5th was only bailed out by his wealthy family to protect their “good” name.
They all thought that they were rising stars in the RE leverage game. You gotta love those fools.
Many of my husband’s clients who were worth tens of millions before all of this, have lost more than 50% of their wealth. One went from 12 million, down to less than 1 million.
I wonder how the portfolios of “The millionaire next door” types are doing? They supposedly have their own businesses, live in very modest neighborhoods, spend well below their means, shop at Sears, buy used cars. Would be nice if Stanley and Danko could redo a study on millionaires through this crash.
“Many of my husband’s clients who were worth tens of millions before all of this, have lost more than 50% of their wealth. One went from 12 million, down to less than 1 million.”
Awesome. That strengthens my point, which is that there are not many folks out and about these days who are qualified to be purchasing at the $1m+ price point.
Bill, you wonder about the portfolios of the “millionaire next door” types. Speaking for myself (if millionaire doesn’t require a million in annual income), I’ll just say that if one’s business is still going well, one realizes that the rest of one’s “portfolio” is too dangerous and one should allow one’s assets to be allocated more and more towards what one knows best.
From my recollection of the Millionaire Next Door, many of them seemed like very prudent people. Driving the used cars, modest houses, and i think many of their kids did not know the extent of their parents assets, etc.
Would think that many of them would be good at “reading the tea leaves”. Plus already having a moderate/modest public profile would be a good thing…
“…Less really is more.”
A bucolic and evocative little essay; perfect meditation for a lovely spring weekend. Thanks for posting this, Ben.
Go outside play in your gardens, guys. What’s sprouting/blooming out there in HBBville?
(I’m still marveling over NSO’s epizote in AK!)
Hi ahansen,
I think everyone is just quietly waiting and watching to see if Olygal goes out to play and roll in the American stinging nettles…. again.
Stinging nettles are why the monsanto god invented “Round-Up.” Like poison oak clusters, you can only eat so many–even with walnut pesto.
Yeah..like DowChemical used to say before the world learned of agent orange, “Better living through Chemistry”
How are things going up your part of the country, I hope that you aren’t in for another really dry year.
Very dry indeed, Mikey. Fortunately I have both a deep water well, and several historic springs on-property. LA is already rationing, and the rainy season is over. Yikes.
Long ago, I lived about 200 yds from the mojave river.
They had a great ice cold aquifer and we had deep wells but it was always nice to be able take the horses and dogs to the river after moving irrigation pipes before and after school.
It’s great that you have springs too
Apparently Roundup has gone “off patent” in the last few months. Home Despot is selling lots of cut-price jugs of defoliant with the same active ingredient from other brands.
An arborist once told me, wistfully, that 24D was like cancer to plants, and Roundup was like chemotherapy.
It kinda made me go hmmmm.
Interesting concept, In.
I’ve long been intrigued by the crabgrass/cancer similarity and wondered if treating new growth (with glyphosate!?) rather than the “root structure” might be a more effective approach than systemic poisoning?
Darwin Award Nominees – Housing Bubble Style
Houses have an intrinsic value beyond appraisal or price, said Shari Olefson, a partner of Fowler White Boggs in Fort Lauderdale. ‘You still need a place to live, and it’s better to own than rent,’ she said.”
I can only pull out all of my hair once. Then must remind myself that I am bald. First fallacy: houses have no intrinsic value beyond appraisal. They might have an extrinsic value beyond price. Second fallacy – It’s better to own than rent is not equal to it’s better to have million dollars than to be homeless. I rent and I pay ~30% of what my neighbors who have bought in the last 5-8 years pay each month. I own a slowly declining asset (CASH) they own a rapidly declining asset (REAL PROPERTY) which COSTS them each and every month. REALTARDS, please read this closely. Your only winning argument is that owning a house makes you feel like you are getting a back rub from a hot stripper. Otherwise STFU. If your lips are moving, you are lying.
“‘Every time I see it go down $3,000 to $5,000, I am surprised,’ said Dennis Smith, president of Home Builders Research. ‘I don’t know how low it can go. I remember when I thought it would be difficult to go below $200,000.’”
Remember that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Why does anyone quote these fools? It used to make me laugh, and now all I can do is cry.
I much prefer the backrub from a hot stripper over the feeling from owning a house. Actually I did get the backrub a few times from a particular gal at a s.j. I used to frequent when I worked in Phoenix.
“I much prefer the backrub from a hot stripper over the feeling from owning a house.”
To each his own, I guess.
“To each his own, I guess.”
Smile.
Vanguard dot com
April 24, 2009
Economic Week in Review: A false spring for the housing market?
The housing sector turned cold and dreary once again in March, with February’s unexpected bloom in home sales looking more like a premature spring thaw. For the week ended April 24, the S&P 500 Index fell 0.4% to 866.2 (for a year-to-date total return of about –3.3%). The yield of the 10-year U.S. Treasury note rose 5 basis points to 3.03% (for a year-to-date increase of 78 basis points).
Housing: The rebound stalls?
Hopes of a quick turnaround in the long-suffering housing market faded a little in March. After surging in February, new-home sales were down a smaller-than-expected 0.6% to 356,000 units on an annualized basis. The market was weakest in the Northeast, where sales dropped more than 32% from February, but comparatively robust in the West, where sales were up 15.1%. For existing homes, sales were down 3.0% to an annualized 4.57 million units. All regions saw declines except the Midwest, where sales were flat. There was some good news: The median prices for both new and existing homes rose a bit in March, though both figures remained down roughly 12% from where they stood a year earlier.
Really dumb analysis:
- Price increases, good.
- Price decreases, bad.
http://stevebrodner.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/koolade.jpg
PB. you thirst for the things surreal…. housing prices moving lower is the RECOVERY STORY if house prices are still moving lower things are getting better…..you see the story wrong.
Lending is loose, dont lose out. or pay yer rent….the choice is yours. goin bando aint as nice as going agrarian rural urban. Douglas county Oregon… I cant leave well enough alone.
Dude — Don’t forget about the household budget constraint and the sudden need to bring a down payment to the closing table. ZIRP doesn’t fix those little issues. And then there is the unemployment rate, rocketing up towards 10 percent. And those nasty Alt-A and prime ARM resets scheduled to keep pounding away at FBs over the next year. We are not out of the woods yet, no matter how much stimulus gets pumped in, so try not to get all irrationally exuberant about housing just yet…
This is more like it…
Finance and economics
Buttonwood
Down and out
Apr 23rd 2009
From The Economist print edition
It still looks too early for a housing rebound
Illustration by S. Kambayashi
THE housing market started this crisis so it is natural to think that house prices must recover before it ends. After all, most Americans and Britons seem to regard increasing home values as part of their birthright.
Any sign of an upturn has been seized upon by newspapers and estate agents. The latest data to excite the bulls have included a rise of 52% in house and condominium sales in southern California in the year to March and three successive monthly increases in the average asking price of British houses.
But the hallmark of the last boom was the excessive use of credit to buy assets. As the bubble has burst, the prices of other assets, such as corporate bonds and equities, have been driven down to below historic averages. Why should housing be any exception? After all, there was no shortage of speculators at the height of the boom and the current recession is expected to be the worst since the second world war.
…
A period of weak or falling house prices ought to be welcome. Young people will find it easier to afford their own place; those in their 30s and 40s may regard renting as a longer-term option (which makes for a more mobile workforce). British and American consumers have been obsessed with the idea of a house as their main store of wealth, regarding it as a combination of cash cow and pension plan. But the idea that we can all get rich by buying and selling each other’s houses was always an illusion. Maybe it will die out for a decade or two.
The SoCal Dataquick zip code info for March is out:
http://www.dqnews.com/Charts/Monthly-Charts/LA-Times-Charts/ZIPLAT.aspx
Wonderful price reductions. Let’s keep it going.
Re: The “Witch Hunt” item. Many people are taken aback when I vent my spleen vehemently about our Wall Street Whizzes. Happened just today in my car on the way to a funeral with my mother. I really get wild when I think of the premium our society places on an individual’s ability to lie, cheat, and steal; what should be condemned is lauded, what should be lauded is ridiculed. I do not need to hear from these arrogant, smug Masters of the Universe that nobody ever worked as hard or as many hours as they do. Tar and feather ‘em, I says.
“Local real estate experts say many Phoenix-area apartment projects have been struggling because of increased competition from foreclosed homes for rent and economic ailments linked to the Valley’s growing unemployment rate.”
First they struggle, and then they die a financial death. The death throes aren’t going away, despite the Fed Henchmen giving trillions to the banks. All we get is propped-up banks that just stare at the hopelessly over-leveraged until they crash. Unemployment is going to spread like cancer throughout the country, and the financial doctors are all at a paid-for sabbatical in a far-away resort, on the golf course. Don’t bother calling.
One happy point I noticed in Ben’s post was the senior economist from FRB of KC mentioning that Second Wave of FC’s — the one coming from the mortgages written in 05 and 06 — the same Second Wave we all saw a couple of years ago in the Ivy Zellman chart. Whenever we hear some REIC shill pathetically touting the latest Good News, we need not worry that we are missing the proverbial boat — we need only remember that reset-volume chart and what it means for 2010-2011.
Those flyover country Fed economists are getting mighty uppity, IMO. First Thomas Hoenig boldly opines that too-big-to-fail has failed, and now Kelly Edmiston points out that a foreclosure tsunami is about to drown all the green shoots that Bernanke and friends think they see. I am forever grateful to the Kansas City Federal Reserve economists who have the courage to put the lie to the Ministers of Truth.
Wall Street Journal
* REAL ESTATE
* APRIL 25, 2009
There’s No Place Like (Someone Else’s) Home
To Help Sell Houses, Temps Are Moved In; Hanging Baby Photos
By ELIZABETH WILLIAMSON
OCEANSIDE, Calif. — The fragrance of sage-scented candles and sounds of jazz fill the air of a 2,600-square-foot house a block from the beach. Tiger-striped chairs flank tables crafted from exotic woods. Photos of a chubby baby hang on the walls. Whoever occupies 211 Windward Way, they seem to live the good life.
Too good to be true, in fact. The house is owned by a builder, who hasn’t been able to sell it for more than a year. And while someone really does live here, it’s as part of an elaborate bit of stagecraft aimed at moving Southern California’s echoing inventory of luxury vacant homes.
This $1.2 million seaside pied-a-terre is occupied by Johnna Clavin, a 45-year-old Los Angeles event planner and decorator who has seen business slow. In exchange for giving the townhouse a stylishly lived-in look, she gets to stay there at a steep discount and stands to earn a bonus if the house sells fast.
“This is the perfect scenario for the times that we’re in,” she says.
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