Overzealous And Overextended In California
The LA Daily News reports form California. “In March, sales of previously owned single-family houses jumped 64 percent statewide, while the median price fell 39 percent to $253,050, the California Association of Realtors said. The median price was 2.2 percent higher than February’s $247,590 median - the first monthly price increase since August 2007, the association said. Sales in Los Angeles County increased 66 percent. The median of $295,100 was 32 percent below the comparable figure in March 2008 and 4 percent below February’s median of $308,540. Foreclosures, job losses and the recession are still problems and could muddle the price picture for months to come. ‘It’s nice to finally see at least a couple months where home prices appear to be stabilizing. The question is, is that really the sign of hitting bottom,’ said Robert Kleinhenz, the Realtors’ association’s deputy chief economist.”
“There are also signs it could be reversed. ‘Let’s face it. If our observations about (mortgage) defaults and foreclosures down the road are pretty close to correct we still have a lot of foreclosures to (go) through the pipeline,’ he said.”
The LA Times. “Immigrants have been hit harder than native-born Americans by the recession, with larger increases in joblessness among both educated and uneducated workers, according to a study released today. Steven Camarota, the study’s coauthor, said many of the immigrant job losses came in low-skill occupations hit hard by the recession. In construction, for instance, the immigrant jobless rate climbed to 20% in the first quarter of 2009 from 4.7% 18 months earlier. Sergio Rascon of the Laborers’ International Union of North America Local 300, said the recession’s fallout is the worst he’s ever seen. He said more than 1,000 workers are currently listed on the union’s out-of-work list; at the height of the housing boom a few years ago, he said, there were none.”
“Humara Ahmed, a 42-year-old Pakistan native who lives in Palos Verdes, was a millionaire with a college degree, a monthly income as high as $25,000, a six-bedroom home, investment property and her own home-loan and restaurant businesses a few years ago. But as the recession deepened, she lost everything last year. Months of feverish job hunts — applying for up to 12 jobs a day — produced nothing.”
“She trained to become a taxi driver, which didn’t pan out. Now she is training to become a food service manager at $10 an hour. ‘I couldn’t eat or sleep, and cried every day,’ she said. ‘I lost confidence in myself.’”
The Mountain News. “Just three years after opening amid the enthusiasm of a burgeoning market, Windermere Fine Properties closed its Blue Jay real estate office today, citing downturns in the economy and weakened home sales as the reasons. ‘We have invested a great amount of funds into making this office work, but due to economic conditions and (the) real estate market, we have made the decision to close the physical office,’ Windermere’s President, Kelli Ross, said in a press release.”
“Lake Arrowhead-area realties continue to share a drastically shrinking pie, recent sales statistics show. From a nine-year peak in 2004 of 799 homes sold in Arrowhead Woods, sales have steadily plummeted each year, to 679 in 2005, 391 in 2006, 322 in 2007 and 258 in 2008.”
“Lynne B. Wilson, owner of Lynne Wilson and Associates Realty, said she is striving to keep upbeat about mountain property despite ‘the most hideous market we’ve experienced in years.’ Wilson stressed the need for committees of real estate professionals to band together ‘to make sure we’re known. People down the hill don’t know how unique our area is.’”
“Jeff Perlis, owner of Prime Properties in Blue Jay said, ‘I think that adapting to current market conditions is important. There are people making money on foreclosures and short sales. It’s a different market.’”
“Perlis said ‘aggressively pricing properties you’re listing for people so they’re more in line with the current market’ is also key, adding that ‘a lot of agents are overpricing properties, and they can’t compete with REOs (foreclosures). The people who own Windermere are very talented real estate people,’ Perlis said. ‘They came into a flourishing market a few years back and maybe got overzealous and overextended themselves, and the market changed.’”
“A couple whose lavish 15-room home was featured on the 2007 Lake Arrowhead Home Tour is facing up to 30 years in prison after pleading guilty to bank fraud in a scheme in which they reportedly preyed on trusting members of their church, The Mountain News has learned. According to stories published earlier this month in the Ventura County Star and the Thousand Oaks Acorn, the Tuckers, who operated Tucker Mortgage offices in Thousand Oaks and San Diego, fled California when their scheme began unraveling last year.”
“The couple, who reportedly also sold real estate in the San Diego area, was accused of operating a ‘mill,’ a real-estate financing scheme in which they brokered real-estate loans by banks or other lenders, using fraudulent documents. The victims were primarily friends the couple had made at Mormon churches in the communities where they maintained homes, sources said.”
“The personal toll on the Tuckers’ victims is described dramatically in the comments section that follows the Ventura County Star’s article concerning the guilty pleas. ‘This is just the tip of the iceberg,’ a blogger wrote. ‘They’re a West Coast version of Bernard Madoff, and we were one of their many victims…I don’t know if we’ll ever recover from the damage they’ve done to our credit and our life’s savings.’”
The Bakersfield Californian. “Barcelona II LLC, Bakersfield developer Terry Moreland’s 40-acre Wasco residential development, has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. Documents filed in bankruptcy court last week indicate that the company has debts of $10 to $50 million and assets of $1 to $10 million.”
“Moreland said Tuesday that the partially built project is ‘coming along fine,’ and that the bankruptcy will not affect his other development projects. ‘It speaks for itself,’ he said of the filing. ‘”It’s a workout.’”
The Novato Advance. “Tax season is over, and the filings of many small businesses throughout Novato and Marin County show how entrepreneurs are adapting to deal with a stagnant economy, tight credit, and new state rules on taxes and fees. Several local certified public accountants reported revenues for their small business clients were down. Aldo Gigliotti of Novato, who is president of the Society of California Accountants, said retail and contracting businesses were notable victims of the recession.”
“‘Certainly main-street businesses, restaurants and retail, and services businesses were down,’ he said. ‘It was a tough year for contractors all across the board, whether they were general contractors, or roofers or electricians…anyone heavily dependent on the housing market.’”
“That thought was echoed by Jerry Ghirardo, CPA, of Novato’s Ghirardo CPA. ‘A lot of businesses are struggling, especially businesses (involved with) real estate,’ he said.”
The Press Democrat. “Sonoma County builders are hoping a small increase in sales may signal the area’s battered construction sector has finally hit bottom. Developers are only selling about four homes a month and construction is expected to remain near record lows this year because houses are still selling for less than they cost to build, according to industry reports and builders.”
“Builders must vie for buyers with a resale market dominated by foreclosures and deeply discounted prices. To compete, builders in the handful of active subdivisions have cut prices 30 percent or more over the past three years. Rivendale Homes has stopped cutting prices in its Santa Rosa projects and recently raised the price in its Woodbridge subdivision by $5,000, said Chris Peterson, co-owner of the company. Despite the increase in demand, Rivendale won’t accelerate its construction schedule and undercut prices.”
“‘You have to build at a slower pace. Hopefully we will be able to capture some price increases,’ Peterson said. ‘Otherwise we may just stop. We need prices to come up before you can build a house and make a profit.’”
“Exchange Bank’s earnings woes continued in the first quarter, when the Santa Rosa bank reported a $10.3 million loss after putting aside more money to cover problem loans. Posting its fifth loss in the past six quarters, Sonoma County’s largest community bank continued to grapple with losses concentrated in construction and development loans.”
“The string of losses is rooted in residential building, where developers have struggled to stay in business and pay off loans in the face of poor sales and falling home prices. About 90 percent of the bank’s problem loans are in construction and development, officials said. The troubles became apparent at the end of 2007. Those problems were pegged to housing developments in the Sacramento region.”
“The bank was forced to set aside more money for loan losses than expected during the first quarter, said Fred Ptucha, a Santa Rosa financial adviser who tracks community banks. ‘They thought and I thought too that they put so much into loan loss reserves in the fourth quarter that they didn’t have to put much more in, but they did,’ Ptucha said. ‘It just shows the deterioration of value in properties, including their foreclosed pieces of property.’”
The Vallejo Herald. “A special program to help first-time homebuyers purchase foreclosed homes has been expanded to include Solano County, the California Housing Finance Agency has announced. First-time homebuyers are eligible for a low fixed-rate loan — 5.5 percent earlier this week — with no down payment through the Community Stabilization Home Loan Program.”
“The program encourages the sale of foreclosed homes in areas with some of the state’s highest foreclosure rates. The number of people this will help is limited to the number of qualified homes available, said Mitchell Chernock of Benicia’s Sky Valley Financial. ‘The interest rate is good and no down payment is really good,’ he said.”
The Record Searchlight. “For Shane and Janell Parker, evidence that Shasta County’s housing market would never be affordable to them came two years ago - a rainbow-colored fixer-upper in Shasta Lake. The 1,400-square-footer was listed for about $200,000. ‘It was three different colors - the front was blue, one side was green, and they had just the painted another side gray. I guess they were undecided on what color to paint the house,’ chuckled Shane Parker.”
“Parker, 26, recalls being demoralized, thinking if this is what $200,000 buys, then forget it. ‘You were putting a $200,000 price tag on something that was just junk,’ Parker said. ‘We were told you had to work your way into a dream house.’”
“Of course, the market has changed dramatically. The median sales price for a home in Shasta County in March sunk to $177,000, nearly $22,000 below where it stood in February. Factor in record low interest and Shasta’s real estate market is falling back to folks like the Parkers, who bought their dream home in March. The approximately 2-year-old, 1,900-square-foot move-in-ready house in the Cerro Vista neighborhood has a landscaped front and backyard, a walk-in master closet, a master bathroom with a jacuzzi tub and tiled shower, and a fireplace.”
‘Parker, a salesman at Crown Motors, quips that they got a good deal - they paid $250,000 - because the home’s off Radio Lane, near juvenile hall in south Redding. Maybe, but it’s also a house that sold for $359,950 two years ago before it was foreclosed on.”
“The bank originally listed the house for $286,000 and later dropped the price to $264,000 before the Parkers scooped it up. ‘What’s really great for a lot of my buyers is they’re starting new families and they have bought a house they will be able to stay in for a long time,’ said Kori Cadorin of Real Estate 1 in Redding, who helped the Parkers find their new house.”
From Bloomberg. “Ron Grassi says he thought he had retired five years ago after a 35-year career as a trial lawyer. Now Grassi has set up a war room in his Tahoe City, California, home to single-handedly take on Standard & Poor’s, Moody’s Investors Service and Fitch Ratings. He’s sued the three credit rating firms for negligence, fraud and deceit.”
“Grassi says the companies’ faulty debt analyses have been at the core of the global financial meltdown and the firms should be held accountable. Exhibit One is his own investment. He and his wife, Sally, held $40,000 in Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. bonds because all three credit raters gave them at least an A rating — meaning they were a safe investment — right until Sept. 15, the day Lehman filed for bankruptcy.”
“‘They’re supposed to spot time bombs,’ Grassi says. ‘The bombs exploded before the credit companies acted.’”
“They helped banks create $3.2 trillion of subprime mortgage securities. Typically, the firms awarded triple-A ratings to 75 percent of those debt packages. ‘Ratings agencies just abjectly failed in serving the interests of investors,’ SEC Commissioner Kathleen Casey says.”
“The rating companies reaped a bonanza in fees earlier this decade as they worked with financial firms to manufacture collateralized debt obligations. S&P, Moody’s and Fitch won as much as three times more in fees for grading structured securities than they charged for rating ordinary bonds. Financial firms around the world have reported about $1.3 trillion in writedowns and losses in the past two years.”
“Alex Pollock was president of the Federal Home Loan Bank in Chicago from 1991 to 2004. The bank was rated triple-A by both Moody’s and S&P. He says he recalls an annual ritual as he visited with representatives of each company. ‘They’d say, ‘Here’s what it’s going to cost,’ he says. ‘I’d say, ‘That’s outrageous.’ They’d repeat, ‘This is what it’s going to cost.’ Finally, I’d say, ‘OK.’ With no ratings, you can’t sell your debt.’”
“Congress has held hearings on credit raters routinely this decade, first in 2002 after Enron and then again each year through 2008. In 2006, Congress passed the Credit Rating Agency Reform Act, which gave the SEC limited authority to regulate raters’ business practices. The SEC adopted rules under the law in December 2008 banning rating firms from grading debt structures they designed themselves. The law forbids the SEC from ordering the firms to change their analytical methods.”
“Only Congress has the power to overhaul the rating system. So far, nobody has introduced legislation that would do that.”
“Grassi, the retired California lawyer…filed his lawsuit against the rating companies on Jan. 26 in state superior court in Placer County. Grassi says in his complaint that the raters were negligent for failing to downgrade Lehman Brothers debt as the bank’s finances were deteriorating. The day Lehman filed for bankruptcy, S&P rated the investment bank’s debt as A. Moody’s rated Lehman A2 that day. Fitch gave Lehman a grade of A+. ‘We’d like to have a jury hear this,’ Grassi says. ‘This wouldn’t be six economists, just six normal people. That would scare the rating agencies to death.’”
‘They thought and I thought too that they put so much into loan loss reserves in the fourth quarter that they didn’t have to put much more in, but they did,’ Ptucha said. ‘It just shows the deterioration of value in properties, including their foreclosed pieces of property.’
Uh huh. So you guys just keep it up with the footdragging on the foreclosures; you’ll just lose more money.
BTW, the Bloomberg article is a good read if you have time. Long-time readers will remember the HBB was going through the credit raters corporate communications early in 2005.
“So you guys just keep it up with the footdragging on the foreclosures; you’ll just lose more money.”
That is the thing that blows my mind about this downturn—the banks really don’t seem to get this incredibly-obvious point yet.
In a market that is declining at 10-20% per year, the bank loses the least if it forecloses quickly and prices the REO inventory to move quickly. It seems like rather simple math: the longer you hold a rapidly-depreciating asset, the more you lose.
There should be no shadow inventory if the bankers are smart.
Can the bankers really not do 3rd-grade math?
Are they not a product of our great educational system?
They can’t afford to book the losses all at once. So, they drag their feet, making billions a quarter by borrowing from the fed at 0% and loaning to the little people at 8-12%. Then, as they make profits, they use them to write off the losses.
Ding-Ding-Ding!!! We have a winner!
Or, like Rose and Jack, they are riding the rail on the fantail, trying to delay the inevitable as long as possible, hoping the stokers in the Carpathia can shovel harder and give the ship a couple more knots……….
Frankly, I think it will be more like Rose and Joachim on the “Wilhelm Gustloff”
Carpathia also is sinking in this particular movie.
“They can’t afford to book the losses all at once.”
Seems like if they had booked the losses last year, they could have gotten a bigger bailout!
Prime,
I get the feeling if they go too fast then they get broken up and closed. So, they are slow rolling the forclosures.
My other thought is they are still over whelmed with all the fraud and figuring out what prices should be.
Plenty of REO show up priced higher than normal sales and sit for a long time. They don’t know what the market is. The other pattern is the over priced homes sit for a long long time then suddenly banks start slicing every month till they sell.
Don’t forget the excellent quote about bankers that captures the sheeple’s philosophy of there being “safety in numbers.” I forget it; probably uttered during the First Great Depression.
Yes, I agree with Ben…that was an excellent article. These unfettered ratings agencies are compared to a huge spread of cancerous tumors invading the financial system that must be cut out, or history is doomed to repeat itself yet again.
“Grassi, the retired California lawyer…filed his lawsuit against the rating companies on Jan. 26 in state superior court in Placer County. Grassi says in his complaint that the raters were negligent ”
My barber here told me yesterday when I went in for a trim that he can’t ever retire now. He said that his IRA investiment of $150K was totally wiped out in the market.
‘We’d like to have a jury hear this,’ Grassi says. ‘This wouldn’t be six economists, just six normal people. That would scare the rating agencies to death.’
Luv it, what a zing! eCONomists….pfffffffffft!
Considering most mutual funds lost 45% of their value he must have been invested in some pretty risky investments.
How in the world was he going to retire on $150K? Was he factoring in 25% annual appreciation moving forward, year in - year out?
“There are also signs it could be reversed. ‘Let’s face it. If our observations about (mortgage) defaults and foreclosures down the road are pretty close to correct we still have a lot of foreclosures to (go) through the pipeline,’ he said.”
I am getting a veritable deluge of e-mail alerts from RealtyTrac about defaults in two ZIP codes I follow. A tsunami? I don’t know. But the NOD volume in the milkcrate mailbox is heavier than pleas from Nigerian finance ministers, offshore pharmacy ads and ocean cruise solicitations.
I am seeing the same. The wave is really starting to roll.
…apparently the couple, known professionally as Terry and Cheri Tucker, had no trouble finding other victims, largely through the membership of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in Lake Arrowhead, the acquaintance said.
Calls to the church for comment on the Tuckers’ activities had not been returned by press time.
The acquaintance said the Tuckers also had donated auction items for Le Grand Picnic, the major fund-raiser of the Mountains Community Hospital Foundation, as well as the Red and White Ball. They had also reportedly opened their home for birthday parties for local Mormon church members.
Ventura County Deputy District Attorney Miles Weiss said Wednesday the Tuckers’ scheme started to unravel when his office’s fraud investigation unit began receiving complaints from victims last year.
.“The case comes down to the victimization of all kinds of victims, including banks, at a total of several million dollars, private investors and individual borrowers,” Weiss said.
Hmmm. I wonder if the Tuckers paid tithing on those millions? I also wonder if it made Sweet Baby Jeebus angry when I laughed uproariously as I read the article?
I’ll ask Him tonight, when He comes over to hang out on the front porch and have a beer, like usual.
Well, I stopped laughing quite as much after I went and read some of the comments posted after this story on the Tuckers in the Ventura County Star.
http://tinyurl.com/dk5wnc
Lots of sad stories.
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Posted by Rodney on April 2, 2009 at 10:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
They scammed us and are still destroying our credit after fraudulantely taking our home which still remains in our name but we were forced to leave. We still retain the first mortgage on the house and for the past two years, the Tuckers have been renting it out, not paying the mortgage, and destroying our credit. Please, if there is any justice left in Ventura/LA county, we deserve to get our home back.
I will be at the sentencing if I can make it down to LA in July.
Funny thing about the whole Mormon church thing is the Tuckers even had the Stake President on their side. In my particular case, the Stake President instructed a Bishop to not touch the Tuckers because they had promised him they were going to give all their assets to the Church. Therefore, the money and assets that the Tuckers had acquired “really belonged to the Lord.” Thanks a lot Stake President for sticking up for all the young couples, families with children, and widows who lost nearly everything because you refused to act. Shame on you. I think he owes us a big fat apology but I’m sure we’ll never get one.
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Posted by CamFamFour on April 3, 2009 at 11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
FYI the Tuckers are not long time members of the Mormon church…they joined the church a few years ago for some new fresh victims! … I have friends who they talked into refinancing their modest home to buy a bigger home and keep the modest home as a rental. Well, when the neg-am loans changed they lost their rental home and now are on the verge of losing their bigger home. They are financially ruined and are not at an age that they will ever recover…’
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Posted by interestedreader on April 28, 2009 at 12:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
…My opinion is that the Tucker’s worked their former church (I think it was Calvary), and then joined the Mormon church to get new victims…
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Affinity fraud sucks!
“instructed a Bishop to not touch the Tuckers”
What’s a Bishop going to do, breathe hard on them?
His only real tool would be excommunication and the church has a policy to not do that until after courts are finished with the matter. If a church officer spoke in public against villains like these they’d be at risk of a defamation suit.
I agree, affinity fraud sucks. What sucks worse is greedy morons who go against everything they have been taught all their lives in an effort to keep up with the Joneses, who are just posers anyway!
This is actually a really good example of how the Mormon church really can’t be called a cult. The worldwide leaders of the church have preached relentlessly for decades about the evils of debt and yet these “automatons” still go off and exercise free will.
Whodathunkit?
“instructed a Bishop to not touch the Tuckers”
This sounds so, so… Cathollic
LOL!
Oly,
You don’t have to wait ’till tonight. I have breakfast with the guy. He was laughing so hard he spit the grape juice all over my monitor screen, so I slapped him.
:laugh:
Big V,
That was too funny. Thank you for the laugh today.
Olygal, how did you get in here !?!
I hung a “Mutant Goat Fam” sign, barred the all the windows and welded the door shut from the inside.
Olygal, how did you get in here !?!
Didn’t you read the explanation over in bits? It turns out I can spontaneously teleport when I really, really want to, as long as whatever story I recently read is scary enough.
I’ve heard that goats can teleport; how else can you explain some of the crazy places those goats show up, which look entirely unclimbable? Goats are probability-density-functions…
Are you too, Oly?
Are you too, Oly?
You Betulaceae!
If I’m scared enough, at least. How else to explain some of the crazy places I show up? I sure can’t.
And on this topic, let me mention that I once knew a goat who liked to leap up merrily onto the top of tractors and then dance merrily around whilst also singing loudly (and badly). She didn’t even care if the tractor was driving at the time.
I liked to do the same exact thing*, so I perfectly understood the joy.
*Except unfortunately I don’t sing as good as a goat can.
“Except unfortunately I don’t sing as good as a goat can.”
Okaaay….and now that we’ve covered the musical part of this HBB talent contest, how do you compare with looks ?
Okaaay….and now that we’ve covered the musical part of this HBB talent contest, how do you compare with looks ?
I’m a pretty princess, is how. Waaaaaaay cuter than a goat, easily.
Shoots, you can ask NoSingy, he’s gonna see me tomorrow, is the plan.
(Unbeknownst to him, my plan is to to rush up and sing to him. Then, after he’s done barfing, I think we should consume tater-tots and drink beer. )
“I liked to do the same exact thing*, so I perfectly understood the joy. ”
LOL….
Cool Oly..except, remember that he is from Alaska and subject to long, cold winters and bouts of sheer desperation. He may also be used to snuggling with bears whereas anything with fur shorter than a sasquatch would look real good to him. In any event, we all look forward to reading the entire police report.
In any event, we all look forward to reading the entire police report.
And you shall! Along with any mug-shots, assuming the shackles are tight enough to prevent that annoying blurring effect. Hahahaahah!
lol
Those Mother Tuckers!
Hahahaaha! Funny.
The most expensive words in the English language are:
“I’m [voting for][doing business with] X because he’s a Christian.”
Utah is the financial fraud hotspot for the entire US. Who would have expected that a belief system that exalts blind trust of authority (”faith”) and uses “flock” and “sheep” as positive metaphors would make people susceptible to being fleeced.
I freaked out my Sunday School teacher once. When he taught the parable of the Good Shepard I had the nerve to point out that the reason the Shepard watches over his flock is that he intends to kill and eat them.
Hungry at the time or just more rational than mainstream religion?
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Very observant! I’ll bet you were forced to go to Sunday school kicking and screaming like I was.
My dad, in the 1920s, was forced to go to church with his family and once he would grab mud and dirty up his “Sunday best” clothes. Obviously he was not “allowed” to go to church that Sunday!
I wish I had thought of that! As it was, I was kicked out of Sunday School. Well, not kicked out so much as politely asked not to return. I was interfering with the righteous experience of my classmates, I suppose. Causing them to ponder all sorts of impious questions. This church was southern baptist. If the sunday school teacher had been warning about the dangers of debt instead of the dangers of “new age,” individualist thinking (which of course was not new–this teacher obviously knew nothing of American history), I might have actually gotten something useful out of it. Thing was, it wasn’t just that teacher. It was from printed materials used in sunday schools all over. According to this lesson, the problem with the modern world was simply that people weren’t submissive enough. They were too wrapped up in the idea that their own logic was more useful than the dictates in an old book, as interpreted by bigoted, sexist preachers. Of course, not all preachers were bigoted or sexist, but some of them were, and their word was meant to be taken as law and stand in for the judgment of all of the flock. Yeah, right. I remember that day very well. I think I was in 7th grade. It was my very last day to have anything to do with a church.
“The bank originally listed the house for $286,000 and later dropped the price to $264,000 before the Parkers scooped it up.
I don’t think the Parkers realize what exactly they scooped up. Many people get confused between foreclosures and dog sh!t.
“She trained to become a taxi driver, which didn’t pan out. Now she is training to become a food service manager at $10 an hour. ‘I couldn’t eat or sleep, and cried every day,’ she said. ‘I lost confidence in myself.’”
Okay, anyone else see a problem with the first sentence? This woman gives Pakistanis a bad name.
“She trained to become a taxi driver, which didn’t pan out”
WTF? You’re a “millionaire” w/ a college degree no less. I should think you would be able to operate a motor vehicle? Yet another example of ’someone’ that would have been ‘no one’ had it not been for the boom.
No Cram-Down for YOU!
And this person ‘owned’ where I wish to buy (hope?).
and her own home-loan and restaurant businesses a few years ago.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? Restaurants and home loans?!?
That business model made someone a millionaire?!? I’m working in the wrong field. Maybe not… I’m not a rejected taxi driver applicant. (Someone tell me how you fail that!)
Got Popcorn?
Neil
She was only a millionaire on paper, and probably didn’t have the acumen to account for liabilities in that calculation.
“She trained to become a taxi driver, which didn’t pan out”
Yeah, I mean, jeeze, how hard is that? Just drive too fast, or else too slow, and speak to passengers in a surly fashion, intermingled every now and then with bitter soliloquies on how life has done you wrong and everyone’s agin’ you, with all of it delivered in an incomprehensible accent.
I do that all the time. It’s totally easy.
Olympigal, now that hurts. I don’t think I want to take YOU… or your luggage to the airport!
( I’ve had too much cough syrup this morning )
Stripes! It took me about thirty seconds, but I finally figured out what you were quoting.
Ah, Stripes. it’s been awhile.
And of course:
“Are you boys homosexuals?”
No… but we’re willing to learn.
No cramdown for anyone apparently. Yay Senate!
From the original post:
‘Parker, a salesman at Crown Motors, quips that they got a good deal - they paid $250,000 - because the home’s off Radio Lane, near juvenile hall in south Redding. Maybe, but it’s also a house that sold for $359,950 two years ago before it was foreclosed on.”
“The bank originally listed the house for $286,000 and later dropped the price to $264,000 before the Parkers scooped it up. ‘What’s really great for a lot of my buyers is they’re starting new families and they have bought a house they will be able to stay in for a long time,’ said Kori Cadorin of Real Estate 1 in Redding, who helped the Parkers find their new house.”
Hmmmm, a car salesman pays more than a quarter of a million dollars for a house. What could *possibly* go wrong here?
Oh boy, and it’s mostly American cards there at Crown Motors. This *can’t* end well.
This is why the bubble is so insane. Take a house that should be worth $125K, that someone making $40-50K a year can afford, then run it up to $400K. Now, let it slide back to $300K or $250K. Suddenly it looks like a great deal and everyone making $40K rushes in to buy one… only to find that $40K is not enough income to support a $250K house.
Welcome to California…….same exact thing happening in Thousand Oaks. Houses that were $700,000 last year are $500,000 today and they sell in less than a week.
Thousand Oaks must be the limited supply that keeps prices so high over there.
Nope. It’s going on here in San Diego, too. Everyone is anchoring to the peak prices, while us bears are anchoring to pre-bubble prices (less a discount because today’s economy is much worse than the late 90s-2000-ish).
Throw in “free” govt money ($8K), and interest rates that have been manipulated through the floor, top that off with “you are all victims if you bought at peak prices, and we’re here to save you”…well, you’ve got a hot market. Oh yeah, then there’s the “no money down” crap again.
Will we ever learn????
Thousand Oaks must be the limited supply that keeps prices so high over there.
Yep…..in the 91360, 91361, 91362 zip codes (which represent over 35,000 homes) there are only 30 active listings for 3 bed/2 bath SFR’s larger than 1,300 square feet with a list price less than $600,000.
Change the inputs to 1,500 square feet and a max list price of $500,000 the number drops to only 8…..out of 35,000+ homes!
Parker, a salesman at Crown Motors, quips that they got a good deal - they paid $250,000 - because the home’s off Radio Lane, near juvenile hall in south Redding. Maybe, but it’s also a house that sold for $359,950 two years ago before it was foreclosed on.’
I wouldn’t pay half that if I was next to juvie.
And the location is SOOOOO nice, you can practically walk to Juvie to visit your criminally insane crotch spawn.
“Criminally insane crotch spawn!” I have to write that one down!
To compete, builders in the handful of active subdivisions have cut prices 30 percent or more over the past three years.
What’s the spread up to? Don’t buy a house built between 2004 and 20??
Hi PB - I sent you an e-mail. Can you watch for it and let me know if you don’t get it. Thanks! -S-
Got it — thanks. I am looking into whether I can make it…
“Humara Ahmed, a 42-year-old Pakistan native who lives in Palos Verdes, was a millionaire with a college degree, a monthly income as high as $25,000, a six-bedroom home, investment property and her own home-loan and restaurant businesses a few years ago. But as the recession deepened, she lost everything last year.”
Greed is good except when you leverage yourself out so far you manage to lose everything. The Greed of the housing bubble dwarfs the greed of the 1980’s Gordo Gekko.
If she had been smart, she would have fire-walled her personal asets from her business assets; she could have let the businesses fail (both are in sectors that are going to take a beating during this cycle of economic restructuring), but she would still be a millionaire. Instead, she probably floated the negative cash-flow on both her businesses and investment property until she bled out.
Leverage giveth, and leverage taketh away.
Assuming, of course, that she ever was actually a millionaire. She may just have been a paper-millionaire, with no hard non-leveraged assets.
Assuming, of course, that she ever was actually a millionaire. She may just have been a paper-millionaire, with no hard non-leveraged assets.
Now how many of those live in Palos Verdes? I believe we’ll see a very high foreclosure rate there. Nothing could save this woman’s home. Nothing will save most of their fellow idiots.
Oh… 3rd downturn I’ve seen this in Palos Verdes. There is the wise buyers who really do have money and then there is this type…
Got Popcorn?
Neil
Prime, Neil,
You’ve no IDEA how long I’ve thought that was about the coolest place on the planet! As a young sailor ( making about… jack squat ) we’d ride our motorbikes up there on Saturday and admire the mansions and the views and think “One day I’LL have a nice place like that!”
Then adulthood sets in. You realize quickly ( as Neil notes ) that there are but a handful of people there that can truly afford it.
“and leverage taketh away” ( Well said Prime )
A friend from college days may well be able to afford such a lifestyle. Yet he continues to live in Michigan. In the same house that he and the (now deceased) wife raised the two kids in.
Oh, and did I mention that when he experienced his big liquidity event, he splurged on a new car? It was a VW Beetle and his 8-year-old daughter picked out the color.
I think nobody should “own” beachfront property. They should all be taken over by the state and converted into parks that low-income people can enjoy. Let the rich have their mansions in Riverside!
“and leverage taketh away” ( Well said Prime )
Yes. Well said. In the previous two downturns, about 10% of the Palos Verdes population was burned out by ‘leverage.’ Me thinks this time the fraction might be a wee bit higher.
I really want to raise my daughter there. Not on the mansion side, but near the slide zone (I love hiking it). There are many less-ostentatious homes up there.
I’ll leave the six bedroom+ mansions to those with incomes many multiples of mine. But I tell you, its nice to be invited to their parties. (Where one bottle of wine exceeds my per party budget!)
Got Popcorn?
Neil
Arizona Slim,
And I commend him! It really hasn’t been a matter of being stingy or an unwillingness to take sensible risks that has held me or any of us back? It’s not that I’m so unstable I simply couldn’t handle the fall from grace.
My problem has been, the world has -enough- phonies.
The gal in the article certainly has not had a very mature or professional response? Crying all the time, taxi driver school? Hell, if I lived with ‘her’ I just may have to kill my…self!
Michael Douglas says there is a follow up movie on WallStreet coming out soon. He is playing Gordon -Greed is Good-Gecko who is just getting out of prison..
Timely.
She was a millionaire like this:
owned $1M worth of real estate.
owed $2M on said real estate.
$25,000 in monthly income in the heydays. Not a word about her monthly expenses.
Here’s a good ole California song to tie everyone over for the weekend
When the wintry winds starts blowing
And the snow is starting in the fall
Then my eyes went westward knowing
That’s the place that i love best of all
California i’ve been blue
Since i’ve been away from you
I can’t wait ’till i get blowing
Even now i’m starting in a call
California, Here I Come
Right back where I started from
where bowers of flowers
bloom in the spring
each morning at dawning
birdies sing at everything
a sunkissed miss said, “Don’t be late!”
that’s why I can hardly wait
open up that golden gate
California, Here I Come
California, Here I Come (yeaaaaaah!)
Right back where I started from
where bowers of flowers
bloom in the spring
each morning at dawning
birdies sing at everything
a sunkissed miss said, “Don’t be late!”
that’s why I can hardly wait (come on!)
open up (open up! open up!) that golden gate
California, Here I Come
-Sung by Al Jolson, Ray Charles, etc..
Sales in Los Angeles County increased 66 percent. The median of $295,100 was 32 percent below the comparable figure in March 2008 and 4 percent below February’s median of $308,540.
‘It’s nice to finally see at least a couple months where home prices appear to be stabilizing.
Would it be rude of me to say that Kleinhenz (gesundheit) is a total moron?
A 4% drop MOM for median price in LA county, especially into what is traditional the strongest sales season of the year. What is that 39% annualized? I’m not certain that points to stabilized prices.
Additionally, it took me 3 readings of that paragraph to really understand what was being said. What did J6P get from that news? It’s a good time to buy! That article was not written, it was designed, with substantial input from NAR.
At the start of the year the California Realtors were predicting a 6% drop in all of 2009. This is a 4% drop in a month, and it’s a sign of _stability_?
The rate of California home price decline has stabilized in a close neighborhood of 40 percent per annum.
That’s what I like about you. You always find the pony in every pile of horse biscuits.
Gin never seems to have quite enough data in hand to figure outwhat is going on.
San Diego economic indicators dip; forecast negative
By Dean Calbreath Union-Tribune Staff Writer
5:42 p.m. April 30, 2009
SAN DIEGO – San Diego County’s index of leading economic indicators took a nose dive in March, spurred by an increasingly bleak job market, according to a report Thursday by the Burnham-Moores Center for Real Estate at the University of San Diego.
The 2.2 percent decline was one of the largest drops in the index, which dates to 1977.
There were some glimmers of hope beneath the gloom, including an uptick in home construction, more optimism among consumers and a rise in local stock prices.
USD economist Alan Gin, who compiles the index, said it is too early to tell whether the recent upturns are short-lived fluctuations or the beginning of an upward trend.
“We could possibly be entering a situation where things are getting less bad, but we need more data before we can tell for sure,” Gin said.
So the indicators nosedive, and his only quote is that it’s hard to tell if the recent upturns indicate recovery?
Astonishing shillery here, or shillacious genius, or both.
This should teach D-rats to not play footsie with bankers.
Senate rejects mortgage cram-downs
April 30th, 2009, 3:17 pm · 1 Comment · posted by Mathew Padilla, Reporter
Bloomberg reports:
The U.S. Senate rejected legislation letting U.S. bankruptcy judges cut mortgage terms to help borrowers avoid foreclosure, a victory for banks and credit unions that said the measure would lead to higher loan costs.
The “cram-down” provision, amending a housing bill, won 45 votes today, with 12 Democrats among 51 opponents. The measure needed 60 votes to pass. The House passed its version 234-191 on March 5.
“These bankers who brought us into this crisis are literally shunning and stiff-arming the people who are facing foreclosure,” said Senator Richard Durbin of Illinois, sponsor of the legislation and the Senate’s second-ranking Democrat.
“These bankers who brought us into this crisis are literally shunning and stiff-arming the people who are facing foreclosure,” said Senator Richard Durbin of Illinois, sponsor of the legislation and the Senate’s second-ranking Democrat.
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Oh my, how sad! Quick, grab some Kleenex, we all need a good cry for these poor, poor “victims.”
It looks to me like it was the too-small-to-bail banks that had the most to lose under cramdown measures. It makes perfectly good sense they held their ground and defeated the measure.
WSJ
MAY 1, 2009 Senate Rejects Mortgage ‘Cramdowns’ by Judges Article
By ELIZABETH WILLIAMSON
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama lost his first big legislative fight Thursday when the Senate failed to pass a measure that would allow bankruptcy-court judges to reduce the value of some mortgages.
The defeat of the bill, which was a central part of Mr. Obama’s plan to help homeowners, came as the House voted 357-70 in favor of a measure that would cap the fees credit-card companies can charge. The credit-card measure now goes to the Senate, where it is likely to pass.
Small banks and credit unions had opposed letting judges reduce a mortgage to reflect a home’s market value — known as a “cramdown” — despite weeks of wooing by Democrats. Some opponents said they wanted to signal to Mr. Obama their dwindling tolerance for what they described as continued government intervention in private business, particularly businesses that didn’t precipitate the nation’s mortgage crisis. The measure failed a vote that would have moved it forward by 45-51.
Mr. Obama had described cramdown as a “stick” in the carrot-and-stick approach he sought to take with banks, as part of the administration’s effort to aid eight million homeowners whose properties are headed toward foreclosure. The measure would be in effect only until 2012, and could be used only after a homeowner had tried to rework the mortgage directly with the bank.
Sen. Dick Durbin (D., Ill.) had pushed for the cramdown measure. Along with many Republicans, a dozen moderate Democrats also voted against the bill. The House in March had passed the cramdown legislation by a vote of 234-191, along party lines.
Big banks, including Citigroup Inc., Bank of America Corp. and Wells Fargo & Co. were early supporters of a Senate compromise even as big-bank lobbying groups opposed it. Community bankers and two major credit-union groups also declined to support the measure, saying it would give too much power to judges.
“It’s hard enough to deal with bankruptcy judges, much less giving a bankruptcy judge the power to change the terms of a contract,” said Cam Fine, chief executive of the Independent Community Bankers Association, a group wooed by the administration. He said his group represents 8,000 community banks.
What the F were BOA shareholders thinking Bloomberg
These votes were the best chance we had for a taste of accountability at Citigroup or Bank of America, which together have received $90 billion of taxpayer bailout money. The banks’ shareholders rose to the challenge by flipping us all the bird.
It’s not as if anyone was asking them to place the country’s needs ahead of their own. No, the worst part is that so many of them were too lazy or stupid to vote in their own best interests.
Who in their right mind could be satisfied with the boards of Citigroup or Bank of America, which in the past year have destroyed most of their stock-market value, crawled like beggars in search of government rescue money, and turned their brand names into household curse words?
They have to know they face even more dilution of their stakes because the banks probably don’t have enough capital to avoid returning to the bailout trough. And Bank of America’s shareholders must remember how Lewis’s board royally hosed them in December, by not disclosing the 11-figure losses at Merrill Lynch & Co. until after the purchase of Merrill was completed.
Or maybe not. I’m all for shareholder rights and protecting investors from wayward managers and boards. This time, however, the investors needing protection are the American people, who seem destined to become the majority owners of these banks.
The rest of the shareholders at Citigroup and Bank of America are lucky they haven’t been wiped out already. They certainly deserve to be now.
From Ben’s link:
The Vallejo Herald. “A special program to help first-time homebuyers purchase foreclosed homes has been expanded to include Solano County, the California Housing Finance Agency has announced. First-time homebuyers are eligible for a low fixed-rate loan — 5.5 percent earlier this week — with no down payment through the Community Stabilization Home Loan Program.”
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Woo-hoo! Glad to hear we’ve learned…….nothing.
I don’t know what the media is talking about, CA house prices are still too high. They are not dropping. No matter what the mortgage interest rate is , please still cannot afford to buy.
With all the troubles of CA now, sellers are just waiting to sell their homes , not buy one. Can’t imagine anyone wanting to live in CA with the highest tax and unemployment rates?
Just wait until the foreclosure bug starts bitin’..