May 16, 2009

Caught In The Greatest Modern Scam

The New Hampshire Business Review. “New Hampshire’s residential real estate market continues to muddle its way through the recession, with year-to-year sales and median prices still falling and the number of days a home remains on the market still rising. In April 2009, according to the Realtors’ data, statewide residential unit sales fell 11 percent from a year earlier. Statewide median price, meanwhile, continued to fall, dropping from $240,000 in April 2008 to $204,900 in April 2009 – a 14.6 percent decline. Year to date, that drop is 16 percent, with the January-through-April median price $197,500 in 2009, compared to $235,000 in 2008.”

“Paul Sargeant, president of the Realtors association, acknowledged that the price drop is likely the product of several factors, including motivated and realistic sellers, the number of distressed properties on the market, and the welcomed infusion of first-time homebuyers who are typically looking in the sub-$200,000 range. ‘There is certainly something to be said for affordability, and that’s what we’re experiencing now,’ Sargeant said. ‘If the trend that we’re expecting does materialize, then as sales activity continues to increase, we can begin to clear out some of the large supply of inventory. That will ultimately lead us away from the clear buyers market we’ve experienced for the last two or three years and back toward a balanced market.’”

“One of the best signs, he said, has been that ‘more and more often we’re hearing cases of multiple offers on homes that, with the help of a local Realtor, are priced properly. That’s a world that many of us remember from five-plus years ago, and while we’re not quite there yet, we seem to be heading in that direction.’”

Some reports from the New York Times. “There are indications that the foreclosure crisis could be worsening in Connecticut, based on statewide data on mortgage delinquencies showing that in March, 4.8 percent of the mortgages held by Connecticut homeowners were at least 90 days past due. That is up from 2.7 percent a year earlier. This gives Connecticut the 13th-highest delinquency rate among the 50 states, according to First American CoreLogic.”

“Burt M. Hoffman, a Stamford-based lawyer, said he had been inundated by builders, investment bankers and corporate executives trying to do short sales of homes with mortgages worth more than $2.5 million each in the past two months. During the same time last year, he said, he did not have any deals for mortgages exceeding $1 million. He said homes in Greenwich, Darien and New Canaan are ’sustaining the most severe impact.’”

“The Obama administration has only recently put together the pieces of its two-month old plan to help homeowners avoid foreclosures and so it is too early to say what impact the program may have here. For now, many foreclosure counselors and agencies said they did not have enough resources to help all of the homeowners seeking help and they had trouble keeping up with changing programs and regulations.”

“Joan Carty, CEO of the Stamford-based Housing Development Fund, said it is especially difficult because many Connecticut residents did not have standard government loans backed by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. Instead, many of them took out private loans that enabled them to take out larger mortgages.”

“For Sandra and Curtis Davis, one of their most vivid memories is the blustery October afternoon in 1998 when they moved into their two-story clapboard colonial on a tree-lined street here. Ms. Davis said that they were ‘over the moon happy’ about ‘finally putting down roots.’ These days, they are grappling with an equally vivid nightmare: that the sheriff will knock on their door and announce that the bank is their new landlord.”

“For nearly two years since they got their first foreclosure notice, the Davises said, they have been trying to hold onto their home. The latest effort was to file for bankruptcy to buy themselves time to renegotiate their debt, a move they made after learning that their home was scheduled to be put up for auction for a third time.”

“‘This could have been solved a long time ago,’ Ms. Davis, 41, a registered nurse, said on a recent weekday morning, sitting on her worn, tan dining room carpet while pulling manila folders and foreclosure handbooks from a green trash bag. ‘Our hands are really tied right now.’”

“Peter Bergamini is barely making his mortgage payments on a $330,000 loan from the Countrywide Financial Corporation that he took out in 2006. He and his wife, Margaret, an assistant teacher in New Rochelle, are getting by. But the worry that nags at them is about what will happen a few years from now. The Bergaminis are not in foreclosure, but they are tied to a mortgage whose interest rates, he said, are ‘ready to explode on me’ by September 2013. It is an adjustable rate mortgage whose payments at 6 1/2 percent interest are now $2,200 a month but in 2013 will reset and could spiral up to 11 1/2 percent, with principal payments starting as well.”

“Like many homeowners, Mr. Bergamini admitted he bit off more than he could chew in the expectation that housing prices would keep rising and he could always refinance. He can’t even blame the mortgage lender wholeheartedly because she warned him that he was tying himself to a loan product whose terms he could not meet down the line.”

“She urged him to refinance before then, but he said that when he tried to do so earlier this year he was told by the same loan officer, now working for a different bank, that because the value of his house had declined and his credit card debt had sharply increased, he could not get a new loan. His debt, he said, is more than 80 percent of the value of his house, which has been put at $480,000.”

“‘I talk to lot of people and it’s not that uncommon,’ he said. ‘We don’t go out to dinner as much, we don’t take as many trips,’ he said. ‘Where we would have gone on vacation to the in-laws in Florida we canceled that.’”

“He is waiting for President Obama to provide some kind of relief to homeowners like himself. ‘I’m a perfect candidate for what he’s talking about,’ he said. Until such relief comes, Mr. Bergamini lives in constant fear that his life could quickly spiral downward.”

“‘Thank God I’m working,’ he said. ‘But if I had a hiccup right now I’d be done for.’”

“South First Avenue is the epicenter of Westchester’s foreclosure crisis, with at least 27 homes on just four blocks in various stages of foreclosure over the past several years. The occasion was a workshop run by a nonprofit group called Community Housing Innovations, aimed at educating people about their options in grappling with foreclosure. Andrea Moody, a soft-spoken 45-year-old account manager and single mother of two teenagers, was there to take notes because it has been three months since she made a full $2,600 mortgage payment to Chase Manhattan.”

“‘I don’t want to lose my home,’ Ms. Moody said afterward. ‘My dad had it, and it was a source of pride to him, and it hurts me to think I could lose it.’”

“The foreclosure wallop has affected even vintage Westchester neighborhoods like the Rochelle Heights and Rochelle Park enclaves in New Rochelle. Westchester’s painful toll tells much about how widespread this decade’s home-buying frenzy was. In too many cases, families took out mortgages or refinanced on payment terms that gave them only the thinnest margin for error and left no cushion for a plunging housing market.”

“The banks listed on Westchester default notices include icons of the industry — Deutsche Bank, Citicorp, Wells Fargo. But interviews with real-estate brokers, bankers and government officials indicate that the loans were often dangled by little-known mortgage brokers who received a commission for originating a loan on behalf of a bank whether the payment terms were realistic or not.”

“‘There were many of these mortgage brokers operating in neighborhoods, often in neighborhoods of color, taking advantage of people who wanted to get their piece of the American dream,’ said State Senator Jeffrey D. Klein, a Bronx Democrat who twice investigated subprime mortgages. ‘Everyone would be O.K. since the property would be worth more than they paid for it.’”

“Anthony Marciano, owner of a local real estate brokerage, told of how four or five years ago mortgage brokers began enticing residents to refinance. In phone calls and fliers, he said, they urged residents to pull out the equity in their houses in order to buy other homes as investments or to pay for home renovations or college tuition.”

“‘They came in like vultures and are no longer around,’ Mr. Marciano said of the mortgage brokers, though he puts more blame on banks for letting brokers originate loans at seductive rates.”

“The shuttered houses and for-sale signs in Irvington and neighboring Newark have helped give Essex County a foreclosure rate almost double the overall rate in the region. So many homeowners are at least 90 days behind on their mortgage payments that the delinquency rate in Essex exceeds that of Genesee County, Mich. — home of Flint, a symbol for cities economically devastated by the sinking fortunes of America’s auto industry.”

“Nationally, a report issued Tuesday by the Pew Hispanic Center said that gains made in homeownership over the past decade by African-Americans and native-born Latinos were tied disproportionately to relaxed lending standards and subprime loans and that the gains had eroded faster in the downturn than those of whites.”

“‘It’s like people just walked away,’ said Frank Perry, who has lived on Grove Street for 25 years, moving here when the area was filled with working-class families. Now, fed up with the neighborhood’s deterioration, he is planning to sell his house, despite the depressed real estate market.”

“Others who are struggling include local investors, some of whom bought multifamily units when mortgage loans were easy to obtain but have had trouble finding reliable renters. The mayor of Newark, Cory A. Booker, rents an apartment in the city owned by one of those investors. ‘They bought one or two or three homes and thought they could get their money back from a rental,’ Mr. Booker said, adding that his own grandfather made similar investments — and lots of money — in Los Angeles in the 1980s.”

“Many Newark owners ‘acquired properties in a nefarious manner,’ the mayor said. Others, like his landlord, ’saw in our city a place to invest, and got caught in the greatest modern scam and housing bubble.’”

“Turn the corner on 145th Street in Jamaica, Queens, and it is as though a cyclone has wheeled through. One resident, Lakisha Brown, a hospital worker and mother of two, snatched her house back from foreclosure last month, if only temporarily. ‘We need to sell fast,’ she says. ‘I’m just trying to save what’s left of my credit.’”

“Across the street in this black middle-class neighborhood, Patrick Nicholas, a surgical technician in blue scrubs, shakes his dreadlocks and shrugs. He rents but is moving out. ‘The owner got foreclosed and told us to leave,’ he says.”

“Late to arrive in the Northeast, the foreclosure crisis has swept through the New York region at an explosive pace in the past two years, destroying billions of dollars in housing wealth, according to a New York Times analysis of foreclosures filed since 2005 and federal mortgage data.”

“It now touches every corner of the region, from estates along the Connecticut Gold Coast to the suburban tracts of Long Island, where 6 percent of all mortgages are at least 90 days delinquent, the point at which foreclosure proceedings usually begin. But the storm has fallen with a special ferocity on black and Latino homeowners, the analysis shows.”

“In New York City, for example, black households making more than $68,000 a year are almost five times as likely to hold high-interest subprime mortgages as are whites of similar — or even lower — incomes. This holds a special poignancy. Just four or five years ago, black homeownership was rising sharply, after decades in which discriminatory lending and zoning practices discouraged many blacks from buying.”

“Now mortgage delinquencies are rising sharply even in high-income, predominantly white enclaves, from Nirvana Avenue in Great Neck, N.Y., to Otter Rock Drive on a peninsula off Greenwich, Conn. In the wealthiest ZIP codes, the median delinquency rate — although much lower than the regional rate, 5.3 percent — more than tripled from March 2005 to March 2008, then doubled again in the year since.”

“Foreclosure is cutting so deep as to reshape the geography. If enough homes go vacant in Queens and Newark and Roosevelt, a cycle of disinvestment could beckon. ‘Some home-owning neighborhoods may turn back to rentals and some might not survive,’ said Jay Brinkman, chief economist for the Mortgage Bankers Association in Washington. ‘They might end up bulldozed.’”

“Colvin Grannum grew up in a black neighborhood in Brooklyn and became president of a nonprofit organization that builds and renovates housing. His father bought several properties in the 1950s and ’60s, often without turning to banks. ‘I don’t want to say it’s in the cultural DNA, but a lot of us who are older than 30 have some memory of disappointment or humiliation related to banks,’ Mr. Grannum said. ‘The white guy in the suit with the same income gets a loan and you don’t? So you turn to local brokers, even if they don’t offer the best rates.’”

“‘Rather than helping to narrow the wealth and home ownership gap between black and white,’ Mr. Grannum said, ‘we’ve managed in the last few years to strip a lot of equity out of black neighborhoods.’”

The Washington Times. “After virtually every disaster created by Beltway politicians, you can hear the sound of feet scurrying for cover in Washington, see fingers pointing in every direction away from Washington and watch all sorts of scapegoats being hauled up before congressional committees to be denounced on television for the disasters created by members of the committee who are lecturing them.”

“The word repeated endlessly in these political charades is ‘deregulation.’ The idea is that a lack of government supervision allowed private-sector ‘greed’ to lead the nation into crises that only our Beltway saviors can solve.”

“Government regulators were the ones who imposed lower mortgage-lending standards - and it was members of Congress (of both parties) who pushed the regulators to push the banks and the mortgage-buying giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into accepting risky mortgages in the name of ‘affordable housing’ and more homeownership. Presidents of both parties jumped on the bandwagon.”

“When the housing boom was going along merrily, Rep. Barney Frank was proud to be one of those pushing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into more adventurous financial practices in the name of ‘affordable housing.’”

“In 2003, he said: ‘I believe that we, as the federal government, have probably done too little rather than too much to push them to meet the goals of affordable housing and to set reasonable goals.’ He added: ‘I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation toward subsidized housing.’”

“Although this is the biggest housing disaster the government ever produced, it is by no means the first. Republicans intervened in the housing markets to promote more homeownership in the 1920s, Democrats in the 1930s and both parties after World War II. All these interventions led to massive foreclosures.”

“Don’t politicians ever learn? Why should they? What they have learned all too well is how easy it is to get credit for promoting homeownership and how easy it is to escape blame for the foreclosures and other economic disasters that follow.”




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Comment by az_lender
2009-05-16 08:58:01

I love the Washington Times piece. Of course, my politics are like that anyway. Yes, the persons most immediately responsible for the housing bubble and bust are the likes of B.Frank and C.Dodd.

Comment by Jimmy Jazz
2009-05-16 09:08:19

the persons most immediately responsible for the housing bubble and bust are the likes of B.Frank and C.Dodd.

Funny, that, considering Republicans controlled the presidency and both houses of Congress in the boom years. You sure Alan Greenspan keeping the interest rate near zero for years didn’t have something to do with it?

Comment by az_lender
2009-05-16 09:17:21

AGree!

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2009-05-16 09:24:14

‘Alan Greenspan keeping the interest rate near zero for years’

A lot of times, debates about the Fed are what they should or shouldn’t have done or be doing. Aren’t real rates near zero now? What is the difference between 2005 and 2009?

IMO, what we should be asking is why do we need a privately owned central bank? Haven’t they (along with the other CBs around the world) made the biggest financial mess in the history of man? Do we really need a secretive bunch of billionaires to control the printing press when what they practice is so flawed?

Comment by Jimmy Jazz
2009-05-16 10:27:11

I absolutely agree. Don’t think the gold standard is a workable alternative, but we need something better than what we have.

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Comment by Xenos
2009-05-16 13:23:14

what we should be asking is why do we need a privately owned central bank?

We can see that the Fed, as currently constructed and operated, has led to a disaster. But the Fed was created to avoid disasters, like the 30 year depression at the end of the 19th century. The fact that the Fed (with the full support and partnership with Wall Street, Washington, and the people at large) screwed up does not necessarily mean that we would be better off without the Fed.

Absent evidence to the contrary (although, arguably, there can be do evidence about what has not happened for the last 95 years) I am inclined to suspect that compared to having no central bank, or having a central bank that is directly under the control of politicians, the privately held Fed may well be the least worse alternative.

I certainly agree that is is about time we all started asking that kind of question, though.

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Comment by 85701 is overrated
2009-05-17 13:27:19

>> But the Fed was created to avoid disasters

Yet all there has been is disaster and an insidious transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich via inflation.

And yes, we would be better off without the Fed. There’s no way a bunch of guys sitting in a room can come up with the optimal price for money any more than they could come up with an optimal price for anything.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-16 14:27:36

“Aren’t real rates near zero now? What is the difference between 2005 and 2009?”

2005: Kohn hints the Fed is going to gently raise the FFR off the floor. Too late — housing is wicked overvalued, and a little higher interest rates are all it takes to set off the crash of the century.

2009: Households either already own a home or prefer to watch home prices correct at a record pace before dipping their toes into the housing market. Mortgage lending standards for most Americans (besides those who qualify for discriminatory treatment due to their having below-average incomes) have reverted to traditional prudential standards requiring income verification and downpayments. Despite having pushed the Fed Funds Rate to zero and quantitatively easing, the Fed is pushing on a string, as home prices continue to plunge at the fastest rate on record.

Generally speaking, zero interest rates are a much more effective means to respike housing bubbles when households have savings, unemployment is not rising, foreclosures are not occurring at a record rate, and home prices are not dropping like a rock.

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Comment by az_lender
2009-05-17 04:05:08

“real rates near zero now”
Or, one could possibly argue that REAL rates are high now, if “real” means “inflation-adjusted.” I.e., nominal rates may be low, but in the face of deflation (if we have it), it is quite difficult to pay back debts in dollars that may be on their way to being more rather than less valuable. Of course, we don’t know if/when the USD will again swoon on the world market. String-pushers dying to create inflation, and eventually they may succeed.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2009-05-16 09:11:15

I met Mr Sowell when I was in college. A good speaker.

I’m a little encouraged about where things are headed. The NYT focuses on where the impact is, and mortgage brokers and banks (where oh where is the Corcoran Group, BTW). But IMO, any mania is going to draw scam artists and just plain fools. The real question to be addressed is this:

‘Everyone would be O.K. since the property would be worth more than they paid for it,’ said State Senator Jeffrey D. Klein, a Bronx Democrat.’

The root problem was the housing bubble itself. Sure we should throw lots of these players in prison. But ultimately, there should be an examination of what led to this mania and how it could be prevented in the future.

Comment by Anonymous Coward
2009-05-17 09:55:38

“The root problem was the housing bubble itself.”

I agree, but every serious bubble must be enabled by loose credit. Otherwise, people may be willing to pay higher and higher prices for something, but they are eventually not able. That is where credit comes in. So to examine the roots of the bubble, we have to examine not only the mania itself but also why lenders enabled it.

Comment by 85701 is overrated
2009-05-17 13:28:56

>> but also why lenders enabled it.

Just look at the root source of all lending - the fed. The money had to come from somewhere.

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Comment by cobaltblue
2009-05-16 09:36:32

“The persons most immediately responsible for the housing bubble and bust are the likes of B.Frank and C.Dodd.”

So it would seem that the champions of well-intended but ultimately disastrous policies want to fix everything with more of the same.

As I survey the national economic scene, there are disasters everywhere that are the direct result of the progressive-liberal well-intended, but unworkable and counterproductive policies. And yes, in recent years, the Republicans became just like the Democrats in voting for these policies.

Under the current veto-proof Democratic majority, I expect nothing less than the total abandonment of any reasonable economic policy. Half the people in this country already don’t pay Federal income taxes anyway. Expect that proportion to climb steadily as unemployment spreads like cancer. Expect the Democratic response to cities, counties and states going broke to be: The Federal government must “do more”, and the “rich” will have to “pay more”. Expect that policy to fail miserably, resulting in the so-called rich steadily disappearing, the demand for Federal bailouts to reach infinity, and the MSM/Propaganda Ministry to constantly suggest that a strong leader (dictator) aligned with a strong World Government (no Constitution) is needed immediately.

This isn’t something I dreamed up after some bad burritos; this is what has already happened many times, many places, to other people who thought they could have it all, and spend themselves to social justice and prosperity.

Comment by scdave
2009-05-16 09:53:49

Nice post cblue…

 
Comment by steveH
2009-05-16 12:15:30

“Under the current veto-proof Democratic majority, I expect nothing less than the total abandonment of any reasonable economic policy.”

Under the Republican’s control (remember who until recently was in the White House and had majorities in congress?) we had already achieved that.

 
Comment by ACH
2009-05-16 12:59:13

“…spend themselves to social justice and prosperity.”

We certainly can spend ourselves to prosperity and wealth. It’s called infrastructure and investment.

You know, good debt.

The basic problem with the housing boom is that houses produce nothing. They do not manufacture anything nor are they true centers of research and development (garage businesses not withstanding.) Get a big, nice, over priced, over done, dwelling that costs far more than you can repay.

That is bad debt.

People live in houses. Houses do not do much more than provide a shelter. It’s like a European vacation or a vehicle that costs way more than it’s worth. These items do not produce anything. If you want to go to work in your fancy car that is perfectly fine as long as you can truly afford it. Otherwise, these are all debt burdens that add nothing to your overall wealth or well-being. Now, years ago when I was a Field Engineer I had a very reliable car (a standard shift, slant 6 Aspen). It more than served it’s purpose by getting me around to my customers. It also wasn’t expensive. It got good mileage and was appropriately frugal. I paid $125.00 per month.

10 point Pop quiz: That car, the Aspen, is called what type of debt?

Frugality and good, sound judgment are what the Fed, Treasury, and Wall Street want to see banished. The mantra is “to get the banks lending again.”

When viewed against the background of current debt levels, this will be pushing a string. It won’t work. The basic problem with our government is its desire to do what it thinks people really want. There is something missing in the interpretation of what those wants are.

Roidy

Comment by ble
2009-05-17 10:43:50

Just calling it investment and infrastructure doesn’t automatically make it a good thing. No, we cannot spend ourselves to prosperity and wealth. For investment to work, we have to be able to produce something from it. That is the part of the equation that has been missing from all government solutions. Plowing money into social programs or to fix a few roads won’t build any productive capacity.

However, it will buy a few votes.

I find it hilariously funny that people think either party could have changed the road to where we are now. There was zero political tolerance to anything but inflating the bubble. If you want to see how this will end, go check out California, where their hand-out driven government is insolvent. You will see nothing short of total fiscal collapse this summer.

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Comment by flat
2009-05-16 17:16:49

republicrats

 
 
Comment by flat
2009-05-16 17:14:21

how about repealing CRA- losing fnm/fre and hud for starters

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2009-05-16 09:05:50

“He is waiting for President Obama to provide some kind of relief to homeowners like himself. ‘I’m a perfect candidate for what he’s talking about,’ he said.”

Is this family a perfect candidate to be subsidized by other people, including those with lower income and no wealth living in less affluent areas? Let’s consider.

“Peter Bergamini is barely making his mortgage payments on a $330,000 loan from the Countrywide Financial Corporation that he took out in 2006.”

I do feel sorry for families who just wanted to buy a home and stretched to buy at the peak, just to live in the way they should have been able to absent the housing bubble.

“She urged him to refinance before then, but he said that when he tried to do so earlier this year he was told by the same loan officer, now working for a different bank, that because the value of his house had declined and his credit card debt had sharply increased, he could not get a new loan. His debt, he said, is more than 80 percent of the value of his house, which has been put at $480,000.”

His debt is $384,000 according to this. That means in three years they have lived byeond their means by $54,000 — despite no suffering job losses or health reverses.

Once again, article after article over the past three years on people in trouble, and none of them fall into the category of people I would see as innocent victims (and I’m more generous than many here). They were speculators, or people living beyond their means, or lied about their incomes in almost every case.

Lots of my friends were victims of the 1980s housing bubble in NY, feeling they had to buy before being “priced out forever” and getting stuck underwater in a condo with two kids and a mortage payment that consumed most of their income. They sucked it up, suffered, and paid the debts. Perhaps others like them are also doing so now. And perhaps that’s the reason I’m STILL waiting to read about a real victim on this blog.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-05-16 12:50:17

YUP this peter moron is paying Interest only on a $330K loan, and he still cant pay it…with both him & wifey working

 
Comment by Groundhogday
2009-05-16 21:11:56

Beyond the mortgage debt, this frisky couple just couldn’t say NO to spending beyond their means. And we are supposed to feel sorry for a guy making $120k/year? Whether your wife works or not, where ever you live, it isn’t that hard to live on $120k/year.

Comment by Kevin
2009-05-17 04:37:59

That’s not entirely accurate.

If you have a few kids, and live in an expensive area like Manhattan or the SF Bay area, $120k a year can be very hard to live on.

For a family of 4 here:

- Rent: $2500 a month (unless you don’t care about schools)
- Food: $700 a month (unless you only eat mac n’ cheese)
- Auto (insurance, payment, gas): $500 (you’re going to need a large sedan, SUV, or minivan) [could be paid off, but unlikely]
- Utilities: $400 a month

Your after-tax pay is around $7k a month, and that’s assuming that your share of your health insurance is reasonable.

So you’re burning at least $4000 a month on the essentials. If you’re paying for day care, you could be looking at upwards of $2500 on top of that. I’m also ignoring all the other stuff you have to buy when you have kids, like clothes (constantly), diapers, and car seats. Even if you’re extremely frugal and shop at second-hand stores you can easily blow another $500-1000 a month on the household needs.

A few years ago my wife and I were living on around $135k a year with 2 kids. We thought that would be a very comfortable life, but it turned out that after maxing our 401k and paying our regular monthly bills we were lucky if we had $1000 a month left over to save. If anything came up in any given month, we’d have to tap our savings to cover it.

Now, if you’ve got $120k a year in income and you’re living in a place where your housing costs are more like $1500 a month and you have cheap daycare (grandma?) around, you’ll be doing extremely well on that salary. Unfortunately, those two expenses alone can be the difference between being well off and living paycheck to paycheck.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-05-17 04:14:34

“He is waiting for President Obama to provide some kind of relief to homeowners like himself. ‘I’m a perfect candidate for what he’s talking about,’ he said.”

I am 100% certain that Barry would be grinning from big ear to ear if he read that. Exactly what ‘they’ want, more gubmint dependent morons.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2009-05-16 10:10:31

THIS is an unbelievable article, worth reading from start to finish.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/17/magazine/17foreclosure-t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1

It is a confession by a New York Times economics editor who admits he should have known better but ended up a FB.

Comment by Andrew
2009-05-16 12:54:20

Egads- I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Talk about becoming not just part of the story, but the whole story.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-05-16 13:29:35

Wow. Well, at least that guy is in a position to profit from his errors by selling a book to WW Norton.

Where is the book contract for us geniuses here at HBB?

 
Comment by Mot
2009-05-16 15:12:36

At least he cashed out his New York Times stock for the down payment. That was the wisest part of his “investment”!

Comment by mikey
2009-05-16 17:51:01

AZ_lender,

Lots of people are in the same mess as him and can’t afford to be buying books about the obvious. This IS America, why even bother reading about the Mortgage Scam, when you can live it..for FREE ?

;)

 
 
Comment by 20910
2009-05-16 19:05:27

Wow! Great link.

His house is about 10 minutes from where I live, altho he lives (ahem) outside the beltway and nowhere near a metro.

I checked out the public records, he bought in 2004 for $460K as he stated in the article and then sold “not at arms length” for $0 in 2006 to himself et al.

Anybody know — what does that mean?

 
Comment by robin
2009-05-17 01:09:05

As a former English teacher, his first line speaks volumes. He uses “I” where “me” is appropriate. Need I say more?

Comment by Anonymous Coward
2009-05-17 10:11:51

That is a matter of opinion. The formal rule is to use a nominative pronoun with a linking verb. So, yes, he’s being pretentious since people don’t really follow that rule anymore–to the point that it’s considered deprecated by some English teachers (although not one in particular whom I remember fondly)–but it is the rule.

 
 
Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-05-17 06:22:04

I love this quote: “I took a certain pride that I outlasted two of my three mortgage lenders.”

I’m glad they aren’t divorcing. What I wonder about is whether they would be divorcing if they were still stressed about money. Would they be divorcing if they were renting, rather than living rent free in the stupid backed up bank’s house? Or do they make enough money now to rent successfully.

It is very sobering that people can obsess about $240 debts that keep them from buying lattes while owing a half a million to the bank and $15k to their mother.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-16 10:22:52

“Burt M. Hoffman, a Stamford-based lawyer, said he had been inundated by builders, investment bankers and corporate executives trying to do short sales of homes with mortgages worth more than $2.5 million each in the past two months. During the same time last year, he said, he did not have any deals for mortgages exceeding $1 million. He said homes in Greenwich, Darien and New Canaan are ’sustaining the most severe impact.’”

Why anyone who can afford a home at a price over $1 million needs a mortgage is a mystery I will never quite understand.

Comment by palmetto
2009-05-16 13:26:19

A couple of years back on this blog, I expressed some frustration that Greenwich and much of Fairfield County seemed to be bullet-proof. Ben told me he knew of some folks in Fairfield and that all was not well. Still, having a couple of sibs up there who were unconcernced sort of shook me a bit. I really thought it might be different there and that price declines wouldn’t amount to much.

It’s actually just like anywhere else, only on a different scale. One family member is getting nervous because their house is edging toward even money value vs. mortgage debt. There has been some major fallout due to the Wall Street debacle.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-05-16 15:34:10

Yes Palmetto:

The old New Haven Railroad, and all those high falutin people in Cos Cob, Darien, New Cannan, westport, Wilton…hmmm AIG derivatives office is in Wilton….

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-16 10:27:35

“Although this is the biggest housing disaster the government ever produced, it is by no means the first. Republicans intervened in the housing markets to promote more homeownership in the 1920s, Democrats in the 1930s and both parties after World War II. All these interventions led to massive foreclosures.”

“Don’t politicians ever learn? Why should they? What they have learned all too well is how easy it is to get credit for promoting homeownership and how easy it is to escape blame for the foreclosures and other economic disasters that follow.”

I believe the zombie GSEs and FHA are currently demonstrating how little has been learned, as they make a futile attempt to respike the housing bubble punchbowl.

Comment by az_lender
2009-05-16 19:11:32

I’m taking a more cynical/sinister view. As I’ve been posting the past few days, I think the whole game (of pretending the bubble can re-inflate) is all about slowing down the depreciation so that the amortization catches up. I.e., most people will be paying and paying and paying just to keep even with the debt they incurred on something worth less and less. But the banks won’t care, so long as amortization on the average outpaces depreciation. I am the bank, and that’s how I feel.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-16 23:02:18

And my cynicism, in turn, is that the Fed is trying to engineer the appearance of a false housing bottom in order to reset the market value of MBS at artificially high levels which would enable Megabank, Inc to unload them onto greater fools with buckets of money and boxes of stupid — the same crowd that is currently revving up the real estate investing craze’s second wind, in fact! Once the banks have offloaded their toxic assets, the correction down to price levels that can clear the market of 19.1 million vacant homes can resume.

Comment by az_lender
2009-05-17 04:10:26

good point

(and I think the diff between your 19 mil and my 2 mil is, my 2 mil was the number of vacant homes ON THE market a couple of years ago)

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Comment by Cassandra
2009-05-17 06:43:01

Sort of like an auto loan?

I have wandered about this too. Perhaps if you can keep them paying, the banks would be better off collecting something for a few years rather than taking the hit up front with a foreclosure. I haven’t done the math, but it seems to me possible that the banks might really be better off kicking the can down the road.

Here is what I mean: If the bank is sitting on a $300,000 note, and the security is now only worth $100,000, how much more downside risk is there to the bank? If the bank can keep the note performing at say some sort of magical $1500/month for the next 3 to 5 years, wouldn’t that be in the bank’s best interest?

Now I don’t know if the same logic applies if we are talking $3,000,000 instead of $300,000. Or if it’s worth the trouble on a much smaller note. But I could see the logic in certain circumstances.

 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-05-16 10:43:43

an adjustable rate mortgage whose payments at 6 1/2 percent interest are now $2,200 a month but in 2013 will reset and could spiral up to 11 1/2 percent, with principal payments starting as well.”

For those of you who think the boy (Credit Suisse) cried wolf, and are downplaying the depressing effect of ARM resets for the next few years, think again!

A $330,000 purchase price house in New Rochelle. It seems like a lot of money now, but in four years $330,000 will seem much more like a lot of money!

We have several more years of this slide. Just like the Japan model of the 1990s.

A colleague of mine thinks it will be a “checkmark” recovery. I think a hybrid of a “checkmark” and and “L”, keeping the horizontal line for several years.

You will see more neighborhoods of empty new homes demolished, perhaps $15,000 price tags on existing homes in Victorville.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-05-16 14:31:03

ARMs resetting higher require interest rates to be higher. Our neighbors bought their house here with a 3/1 ARM in 2006. Last month was the first annual reset, and their interest rate went DOWN the full allowable 2%, from 6.75 to 4.75 percent. I know this from reading the terms of the note, as posted on the county’s land records site on the internet.

Interest rates will go up when the economy recovers, of course. But when’s that going to happen?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-16 23:04:19

“ARMs resetting higher require interest rates to be higher.”

No. An ARM resetting from interest only to fully amortizing at the same or even somewhat lower interest rate as before can still bring on a stiff monthly payment increase.

Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-05-17 06:46:23

I actually pay a little more for lunch at work than I do for home loan principle each month. (Granted, my loan is only 90 k.)

It is amazing that what stings in the ARM reset is the little part that pays back the loan. The “howmuchamonth” is seen as virtuous - just the price of admission to FB-ville.

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Comment by az_lender
2009-05-16 19:13:14

Oh gosh, I’ve forgotten which one of you is the former Bill in Maryland, he who was touting “equities” as recently as a year ago. I guess since I can’t remember which of you that was, neither of you need be embarrassed.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-05-16 19:39:22

az, not me. My moniker hasn’t changed since I first started posting on this board.

Although I used to live in Maryland and have posted about people I know and their HBB-related events there once in a while.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-05-17 08:46:53

I was the former Bill in Maryland. I still tout equities, but only in tax deferred plans. And I turn 50 this year, which means of course, I’m going to contribute over $20,000 in my 401k and $6,000 in my IRA - 100% stock mutual funds.

Outside that, I invest “like an old man,” as my friend in Philadelphia tells me. T-bills, TIPS, AAA and AA municipal bonds, cash, and savings bonds.

I do not change my investing habit on a whim, or based on emotions. I am like a big oil tanker, very slow to turn. That’s how it should be. Only losers chase last year’s winners.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-05-17 08:49:42

I may be changing back to Bill in Maryland this fall, by the way, although I much prefer living in Los Angeles. But the money I’ll make in Maryland could be better.

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Comment by technovelist
2009-05-17 16:07:54

Only losers chase last year’s winners.

Only losers believe in “dollar cost averaging” for depreciating “assets” like common stocks, T-bills, and municipal bonds.

I’m up quite a bit for the last 1, 5, and 10 years, without owning any of those.

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Comment by Cassandra
2009-05-16 12:15:28

“with principal payments starting as well.”

The horrors!

Comment by Muggy
2009-05-16 12:58:25

Hmm, if only there were innovative financial instruments that allowed the borrower to choose when to pay, or pay it all at the end…

Comment by az_lender
2009-05-16 13:32:11

or never to pay the principal at all, which is what most of them were thinking when they figured they “could always refi”

Comment by milkcrate
2009-05-16 15:42:43

Pay?
What’s that?

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Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-05-17 06:54:58

Actually, my wife and I have one of those I.F.I. loans:
it’s a no interest credit card loan for a year for 3 points. Ours must be super-innovative, because it has the additional feature that we can even choose NOT to pay it back at the “end,” and keep it open even longer, paying it back at 1% per month over years and years instead if we want to! :)

My wife is insisting on paying it back early. She is so out of touch with modern culture.

 
 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-05-16 18:06:58

How is “homeownership” superior to renting, if you’re never paying anything but interest, taxes, and insurance?

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-05-16 18:13:03

You can paint the walls any color you want. I mean, you can’t paint the walls in a rent house, can you?

Comment by wolfgirl
2009-05-16 21:42:18

We have. Besides just rememberwhatcolor they were when you moved in and repaint when you leave if the color is thatimportant.

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Comment by Mark Davidson
2009-05-17 05:37:05

..and all maintenance.

MD

 
Comment by herds of labradors
2009-05-17 07:28:42

shoe,

The renter misses out on all the appreciation enjoyed by the interest/tax/insurance/maintenance payer. Wait a minute…

 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2009-05-16 12:25:07

Hey Tri-staters/metro NY’ers/Downstaters….

What were you saying last year? You’re not Florida? Or was it California? Guess again you greedy bastards. You’re gonna have to work for your retirement like everyone else.

Which reminds me. I had a conversation with one of my steam fitters Friday. Early 30’s, wife is a real-turd. Sez his wife is now looking for a full time job and she isn’t complicit in the Great Housing Fraud. Anyways, this guy and his wife were looking at a foreclosure in Wappingers Falls(Dutchess County) and “a bunch of other people were there touring” the place too. He said they wanted $350k for the dump and he “might offer $325k”. Of course I flat out told him he’s an idiot and if he were smart he’d start at $110k. He laughed and reluctantly agreed with me but this scene goes to show you the built in level of distortion within the entire housing price structure. Then he declared “bbbbut its 2000sqft with (a whopping)2 acres!”. My response was that I can build for $50/sqft and make money and the dirt is worth 2 or $3k MAX so how is this particular used shack worth anymore than $110k? Response was a blank stare.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-05-16 14:35:46

I’ll buy all the Wappinger’s Falls finished lots for $5K per acre that you would care to sell me. Even at that offer I would be outbid.

Comment by exeter
2009-05-17 08:54:32

Theres a sucker born every minute. ;)

 
 
 
Comment by Muggy
2009-05-16 12:31:22

“New Hampshire’s residential real estate market continues to muddle its way through the recession, with year-to-year sales and median prices still falling”

Wicked!

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-05-16 13:31:07

“Andrea Moody, a soft-spoken 45-year-old account manager and single mother of two teenagers, was there to take notes because it has been three months since she made a full $2,600 mortgage payment to Chase Manhattan.”

You’ve got a friend at Chase Manhattan.

LOL, anyone besides me remember those old commercials for Chase Manhattan?

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-05-16 15:51:21

NEW Math:

Stick chase with a years worth of mortgage payments get off Scott free

OR due to a major flood in the midwest (rapid city) and their processing center flooded.. have a credit card payment posted 1 day late and everything you owe chase goes to 30%….

 
Comment by milkcrate
2009-05-16 15:51:49

James Taylor. Carol King. “You’ve Got a Friend.”
When your down, and troubled….
Gawd, how did I ever like that stuff.
But no. The Chase allusion escapes me, Palmy.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-05-16 16:33:35

Palmy, the only advertising campaign with that tag line I remember is, “You’ve got a friend in Pennsylvania.”

And that was a looong time ago.

 
 
Comment by az_lender
2009-05-16 19:38:57

Palmy,

Google remembers it well (and I looked there because I thought I remembered it slightly)

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-05-16 20:53:08

Palmy,

Google remembers it well (and I looked there because I remembered it slightly)

 
 
Comment by milkcrate
2009-05-16 15:56:53

Since it is supposed to be 107 (107) Actual Degrees in Fresneck on the morrow, two acres in New Hampshire and a front porch that faces Mount Jefferson sounds sweet. I can see the birch stands now.

Comment by az_lender
2009-05-16 19:42:22

Milkcrate, feel free to visit me in Stonington Maine. You would just go to any of the realty offices and ask who knows the lady who makes a living lending money in Arizona trailer parks.

 
 
Comment by Rancher
2009-05-16 18:22:40

In the land of peace and joy, Josephine county
in southern Oregon has seen it’s foreclosure rate jump
146% since October.
The local rag presents a daily diatribe about how
great the housing market it and now is the time to buy.
Local real estate scum are continually professing
that this is the very best time to purchase a home or
be priced out forever.
One column of “for sale” ads, one and a half pages
of “for rent”.

Time for a drink…it’s after five

Comment by DennisN
2009-05-16 18:58:11

So the sun is over the yardarm in the Rouge River country. :)

 
 
Comment by bobby c
2009-05-17 05:21:28

I’ve been reading Bens Blog for, I believe, 4 years now. Has it been that long? I’ve been renting since 2004 in the same house. Home prices have fallen and you can now get a foreclosure pretty cheap but what people are asking for a decent home is still outrageous. Homes around 200k still sell but homes above 300k languish. I keep asking myself when are these home prices going to come down? You get absolute trash at 200k on a 15k sq ft lot.

Perhaps the answer is higher unemployment which seems to be happening. However renting for 5 years was never my intention, but it has proven to be the wise decision, even the money I’ve blown on rent would have been more money that I lost on taxes, interest, plus carrying cost and a devalued asset.

Still, I really would have liked to own my own house by now, but it still seems so far off now. I’m sorry but paying $2000.00 on a house for 30years is absolutely crazy. Especially with an America that is no longer creating high income jobs. In 15 years I believe Americans will actually be making less.

Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-05-17 07:07:47

My parents bought a 52 year old house for $10,400 (in 1965).
Now some investor is paying my mother hundreds of dollars a month to live there in a 96 year old house based on a valuation over $200,000.

The passage of time makes everything look crazy. Especially when the government spends more than it takes in for generations.

Bubble Strategy #1:
When the banks are desparate to give you money, take it.
When the banks are desparate to get it back, keep it.

A lot of people were playing this strategy without bothering to count the cards. But “the house always wins.” Can they screw up the country enough to invalidate joe 6 packs strategy? Tune back in 30 years from now.

 
 
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