May 21, 2009

A Memo To Californians From Everyone Else In The World

The La Jolla Light reports from California. “A Hollywood celebrity just plunked down more than $17 million for an oceanfront La Jolla home, marking one of the largest sales in years, said Ross Clark of Willis Allen, who represented the sellers. The buyer…paid $17,350,613 for the seven-bedroom, 11-bath home. Before selling last week, the Lower Hermosa home was originally listed at $29.5 million and later dropped to $24,750,000. Clark said the sale is a good sign for the high-end housing market since ‘absolutely zero homes above $10 million’ have sold this year.”

“Currently, there are 14 homes priced at more than $10 million on the market in La Jolla and 12 in Del Mar. ‘Hopefully this will jump-start things,’ he said. ‘This is the one everyone’s been waiting for.’”

The Glendale News Press. “Massive condominium developments in Glendale and Burbank, faced with the pressures of the sputtering economy, have slashed their prices by up to 40%, attracting a spike in interest from first-time home buyers, agents reported. The projects — the Excelsior at the Americana at Brand and the Burbank Collection — have sat largely vacant for months.”

“When projects like the Americana at Brand and the Burbank Collection are completed, the developers’ obligations to pay off banks or investors can grow exponentially if sales are slow, said Paul Habibi, professor of real estate at the UCLA Anderson School of Management. In that case, developers have only two options, he said. ‘They can either unload [units] into the for-sale market, albeit at a discount, or they can unload them into a rental market,’ he said.”

“Some recent area developments have already abandoned the condo market in favor of leasing apartments. Glendale’s 416 converted all of its 115 residential units to rentals in January. And Verdugo Village took the same route with its 126 newly constructed units last month.”

“The shift in condo prices was a logical step for developers, said Jack Kyser, founding economist at the Los Angeles Economic Development Corporation. It has, in turn, made the market ripe for buyers, he said. ‘If you’re in the market for a single-family home or a condo, if you can get a mortgage, now is a good time to jump in the market because you’re going to find very, very motivated sellers,’ Kyser said.”

The LA Downtown News. “The Brockman Building stands as one of Downtown’s most anticipated residential conversions, as area boosters hope it will inject pedestrian life onto recovering Seventh Street. Yet although the upgrade was completed last year, the property has yet to see a single resident and is mired in financial troubles.”

“Last month, Brockman Building Lofts LLC filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection, the first step on the road to liquidation, after parent company the West Millennium Group defaulted on its $35 million construction loan and Countrywide Bank (now owned by Bank of America) initiated foreclosure proceedings. On May 8, West Millennium itself filed Chapter 7. The Brockman now stands in limbo.”

“Amy Goldman, an attorney with Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard & Smith LLP, became the property’s court-appointed trustee, charged with overseeing the liquidation process, after it went into Chapter 7. Goldman last week said there is nothing for her to administer because the Brockman’s debt outweighs its value.”

“‘Trustees don’t usually administer buildings when there’s no equity,’ Goldman said. In a later email, referring to the $45 million debt, she added, ‘I do not believe that it would sell near that in this market.’”

The San Gabriel Valley News. “MDA DataQuick reported that the median price of a home in the six-county region of Southern California was $247,000 - down 1.2 percent from $250,000 in March and down 35.8 percent from $385,000 a year ago. The median last month was the lowest since 2002, and was 51.1 percent below the peak of $505,000, which was hit in spring and summer of 2007.”

“The dip in median prices ran counter to recent reported buying frenzies that has had economists, analysts and Realtors saying the market was recovering. What could be skewing the median down is the lack of high-end coastal sales, which means higher sale prices are missing from the data, DataQuick officials said.”

“Last month’s Southland sales were the highest for that month since April 2006, when 27,114 homes sold, but were 18.2 percent below the average April sales total since 1988, when DataQuick’s statistics begin. Foreclosure resales made up a lot of those sales. In April, they accounted for 53.6 percent of all Southland resales last month. It was the seventh consecutive month in which post-foreclosure properties made up more than half of all resales.”

“John Walsh, MDA DataQuick president offered a word of caution for the market. Foreclosures could keep coming. The effect of mounting job losses could trigger more defaults, and a new wave of foreclosures on ‘option ARM’ loans and ’stated income’ loans used in mid- to high-end markets could also come, Walsh said.”

“‘If job cuts remain deep and foreclosures spike, then the past few months might later be viewed as nothing more than a brief calm before the next foreclosure storm,’ Walsh said.”

The LA Times. “Southern California’s median home price slipped slightly in April, new figures show, but the volume of home sales tells a tale of two housing markets. In distressed areas such as the Inland Empire, homes are selling at a quickening pace, as buyers snap up foreclosed properties at cut-rate prices. But in more expensive areas such as Pacific Palisades and Corona del Mar, activity is still largely frozen. Many well-heeled homeowners who aren’t under financial pressure to sell are keeping their properties off the market or holding out for prices that buyers are either unable or unwilling to pay.”

“Manhattan Beach real estate agent Ed Kaminsky said he was beginning to see some signs of a thaw. This month, he sold a four-bedroom house in that coastal community for $2.6 million — $400,000 less than the seller paid for it in 2006. The owner had listed the house for sale at $3.45 million in 2007, but pulled it from the market at that price when he got no takers. Until recently, sellers in upscale communities swore they were immune to the housing market downturn, Kaminsky said.”

“‘When it first started, they said it’s just the low end. Everyone said, ‘We’re different.’ We’re not,’ Kaminsky said.”

The Daily Breeze. “The Palos Verdes Art Center’s seventh annual ‘Win Your Dream House Raffle’ turned out a bit different this year: There was no house. It’s probably no surprise that in such a down economy the art center failed to get a minimum of 22,000 ticket buyers - for the first time since the attention-grabbing raffle debuted.”

“That meant a four-bedroom, ocean-view contemporary Mediterranean was taken off the prize list. Instead, the art center’s board decided to give the winner a $1 million cash payout - though it had the option of splitting the about $1.8 million proceeds with the winner. The board decided to give her a cool million, making about $800,000 for the art center off the raffle.”

“‘They’re very generous people,’ said Kathy Shinkle, the center’s spokeswoman, of the board.”

The Ventura County Star. “The median price of homes sold in Ventura County was $340,000 in April, down 23.6 percent from a year ago. But even with lower sales, there were buyers in the market taking advantage of low rates and prices. Kim Tallman hadn’t even been looking when she decided to buy a townhome in Oxnard’s RiverPark.”

“‘I wasn’t even in the market,’ she said. ‘I didn’t think I could afford it or it could happen.’”

“She had been helping a friend look at homes for about a year. Mostly, it had been a discouraging process for Tallman, who said most of the homes in her price range needed a lot of work and would have needed modifications to meet her needs. But while on a visit to RiverPark with her friend, she found a four bedroom, three and a half bath townhome that included a granny flat with a separate entrance for her mother, who is disabled. It cost about $412,000.”

‘With low interest rates, it made sense to buy. Everything fell into place perfectly, she said. The mortgage is more than her rent was each month, but she gets the tax savings.’

“‘I’m stretching a little bit more than I did, but at least it’s going toward something,’ she said.”

The Redlands Daily Facts. “Redlands economist John Husing spoke at the Inland Empire Economic Forecast Conference at the University of Redlands, where he and other local experts predicted the region still has more than a year before the economy begins to turn around. Husing and others said the reason why the Inland Empire economy has been suffering recently is because its three main strengths - construction, manufacturing and logistics - have taken a hit.”

“Husing said Detroit is the only major U.S. population area with a higher unemployment rate than the Inland Empire. That, and local governments are suffering from less revenue from property taxes and sales tax. Husing said although the Inland Empire still has ‘dirt’ and a lot of blue-collar workers, ‘the question is, will we find a new sector to lead us out (of the recession)?’”

“‘We need to rely on our strengths,’ he said. ‘Until we can get back into residential construction, that hole remains until we find something else to fill it.’”

“Positively, he said supply and demand is rising to about where it was in 2003. ‘Affordability is phenomenal,’ he said. He said one sign housing prices are getting better is Tino, a hotel employee he knows, is finally looking to buy a house. But, he said, ‘we need to burn through a ton of foreclosures’ and government fees must go down.”

The Press Enterprise. “In Riverside County there were 4,469 home sales last month, up more than 40 percent from April 2008, and in San Bernardino County there were 3,130 sales, almost 88 percent more than for the same month a year earlier. Sales reached record highs for April in a number of Inland communities, including Moreno Valley, Perris, Indio, San Jacinto, Lake Elsinore and Victorville.”

“The median price of homes sold last month in Riverside County was $180,000, down 39 percent in a year, while the median priced house in San Bernardino County was $138,500, almost 48 percent less than in April, 2008.”

“Several variables can still affect a housing recovery, DataQuick President John Walsh said in a statement. ‘The problem is that we still face big threats to price stability: layoffs, which can cause foreclosures across the home price spectrum, and possibly a new round of foreclosures triggered by defaults on option ARM and stated income loans used in mid to high-end markets. Also of concern are reports of lenders holding back for many months before making a public foreclosure filing,’ he said.”

The Petaluma Argus Courier. “So, you’re thinking about buying a home. You’ve crunched the numbers, figured out how much you can spend and settled on a price range for your search. Your conclusion? It’s going to be a challenge. That shouldn’t come as a surprise of course, but what may shock you is just how much you can save on your purchase and just how quickly your home can start paying you back.’

“You won’t need to wait until years from now when you sell your home to see a return on your investment. There are several ways your house can start working for you almost immediately and, in this economy, you’ll likely want to take advantage of them.”

“First-time homebuyers, or those who haven’t owned a home in at least three years, who purchase this year are eligible to receive up to an $8,000 tax credit. This is like the government’s big ‘thank you’ for buying. There are a couple of catches.”

“Boy, will you hit the jackpot come April 15! On a new home purchase, nearly all of the payment at first goes to interest, so most of your mortgage will be deductible.”

“There are so many benefits to buying a home and the expense shouldn’t be a burden on you and your family. It may take some time, but do your research and take advantage of as many opportunities available to you as possible. Purchasing a home is one of the best investments you can make and when pay day comes, you’ll be thankful you did.”

The Sacramento Bee. “Memo to Californians from everyone else in the world: You folks out there in sunshine land caused this historic global recession, and it’s time for you to mend your ways. Farfetched? Not really.”

“A very good case can be made that California’s developers, mortgage lenders and house-hungry, but income-deficient, residents, with state and local officials as enablers, created an unsustainable housing bubble. And when that bubble burst, leaving holders of mortgage bundles — many of them overseas banks — with little more than toilet paper, it created a banking crisis that spread to virtually every other segment of the global economy.”

“Nine of the 10 top issuers of subprime and no-documentation mortgages were headquartered in California, and the state has been ground zero for the collapse of those mortgages as adjustable interest rates ‘reset’ upward, having recorded more than 500,000 foreclosures.”

“Currently, another 400,000 home loans in the state are delinquent because the economic crisis that was spawned by the banking crisis means hundreds of thousands of California families have lost their incomes, folks who were reasonably good credit risks originally and cannot make their mortgage payments.”

“There are a few signs that the national recession could be coming to a close, but that doesn’t mean California will return to prosperity soon. The state has been hit especially hard. It’s entirely possible that it will lose another 250,000 or more jobs before the recession hits bottom here, and that unemployment, now over 11%, will rise a couple of more points. That’s the economic reality.”




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Comment by DinOR
2009-05-21 09:53:49

“Manhattan Beach real estate agent Ed Kaminsky”

Ed, thanks for having the integrity not to play down your Polish heritage for the uber-hip SoCal crowd. If he was… a sleazy realtwhore he would be “Ed Kamino” ( with a “K” ) wink, wink complete w/ wetsuit and surfboard on his biz card.

Comment by Steve W
2009-05-21 12:22:50

-sky usually means of Russian or Czech heritage.

-ski usually means Polish.

(Useless, non-economic stuff like that is about all I’m good for on this board)

Comment by DinOR
2009-05-21 14:02:39

Steve W,

LOL! I stand corrected, can’t speak for the other Chicagoans here ( but we tend to lump them more or less together anyway? ) :(

After a 5 year-long endless parade of Realtwhore (TM) “stage names” you just couldn’t make up if you tried, well let’s just say I find it refreshing.

Comment by Steve W
2009-05-21 17:30:01

Oh, in the neighborhood I grew up in you definitely did not lump the Polish in with the Russians ;)

But yes, it’s almost refreshing not to see a name like David Sales or Lisa Silver or Matthew Granitecountertops or something like that.

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Comment by cassiopeia
2009-05-21 10:00:33

Memo to all HBB’ers from Cassiopeia: I am beginning to see things turn in the hitherto “untouchable” 90024 where I’ve been a renter and a bubble viewer for so long. There is A LOT of new inventory adding to the stuff that had been sitting unsold at crazy prices. Realtors are polite. My periodic checks on Craigslist also show A LOT more for lease at reduced prices from six months ago for equivalent units. 3 bd duplexes and SFH are down from broadly $3,500 to $3,200 and even $2,900 for the shabbier but well located ones.
Of course, sellers still are furious that buyers balk at their “reduced” prices (which means they went from an asking of 1.3 million to 1.199) We are not there yet, and some things still sell, don’t get me wrong. Still, the cracks are getting bigger by the minute.

Comment by are they crazy
2009-05-21 10:56:54

Grew up in 90024 near UCLA. Was middle class then. Great area to be a kid.

 
Comment by Big V
2009-05-21 13:39:11

Yup. This is the top of the 7th inning, to use an out-of-style HBB metaphor. It will soon be a good time to buy a crappy house in a crappy hood if you want one. Give it a just a liiiittttllle while longer, and you, my dear Cass, will have your house in 90024 and afford it too.

 
 
Comment by Natalie
2009-05-21 10:03:11

“San Francisco’s housing market has spiraled downward nearly 27 percent in some parts of the city, said out lesbian real estate agent Katharine Holland of Coldwell Banker and former Bay Area Reporter business columnist.”

I don’t really care about sexual orientation unless I’m somehow involved in the act, but the relevancy of one’s orientation as it relates to a statement about the housing market was rather odd. I went back to the article which contained this quote: “While many LGBT couples are seizing the opportunity, so are single queers.”

I think that all articles referencing a quote about the economy should state the sex, orientation, and race of the speaker so we can decide whether to disregard it. NOT.

Comment by hunkydory
2009-05-21 10:33:45

‘But honey, Suzanne researched this, and he’s an LGBT!’

Comment by Natalie
2009-05-21 10:50:33

LOL. I am not sure if that’s possible, but I like your style. I saw a I saw an RN at the MALL this AM buying some K-Y OTC.

The black, short, professed straight RN thought we were at the bottom of this whole housing thing. His openly gay companion said “[n]o freaking way, have you seen those Credit Suisse reset charts!”

 
Comment by mikey
2009-05-21 11:35:24

upchucks…cleans up, gets rubber boots, shovel and proceeds to wade through the California happy touchy feely FB & GF BS stories again!
:(

 
 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-05-21 10:54:21

It’s an article from a LGBT newspaper. They always mention sexuality/etc as a reaffirmation that the gay reader is part of a group.

If you read black/mexican/german/whatever themed publications, you should expect to see them highlighting whatever demographic they cater to.

Comment by DinOR
2009-05-21 11:03:16

It’s equally annoying when reporting on crime they go out of their way to report the criminal was “a former Marine”. Well WTH does ‘that’ have to w/ anything? Yeah, the guy was a “marine” 30 years ago! Lots of guys were, so what.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-05-21 11:15:43

I think they do that because most people are surprised to hear of ex-military turning to crime. Most of the people I knew before and after joining the military are generally more responsible people afterwards. Not ALL of them, but most of them.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-05-21 11:29:17

sfbb,

Probably true in ‘my’ case? But my point is that unless said crime ocurred while actually “in uniform” what bearing does it have on the story?

What’s next? “Model Railroading” ( A Gay Perspective )

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-05-21 12:34:55

“Model Railroading” (A Gay Perspective )

Isn’t that redundant?

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-05-21 18:21:23

OOH ooH we all sit around Beeg Tables with our little hand painted army men and bazookas, fighting the battle of Antioch for little trophies….

miniature war gamers….uh uh huh?

 
Comment by Doghouse Riley
2009-05-21 18:48:23

Check out -his- caboose, sweetie!

 
 
Comment by AdamCO
2009-05-21 12:50:37

It would only be relevant if his status as a marine somehow added motive or otherwise contributed to why the crime was committed. for example, rates of mental health issues are quite high among gulf war vets, and if the criminal was a vet with documented (or undocumented but verifiable) mental health issues that s/he had been struggling with, it would be relevant.

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Comment by ex-WA
2009-05-21 18:56:51

On the other hand: There was a story a few months ago about someone trying to rob a bank, using a note to the teller. But there was an ex-Marine right behind him in line, and the teller silently mouthed a message to indicate what was going on, whereupon the Marine took the guy down. Having ex-Marines around is definitely a good thing as far as I’m concerned.

 
Comment by SuzyK
2009-05-21 21:59:03

Yeah and they can drink you under the table too! Dang had some real great times hosting marines in our old homestead down Oceanside way…. back in 1998 to 2005.

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-05-22 09:03:40

I thought “once a Marine, always a Marine”. I’ve been corrected by several Marines when I referred to someone as a “former Marine”. The Marines just tell he he’s no longer on “active duty”. ;)

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Comment by Natalie
2009-05-21 11:12:29

I can see the point about only covering topics of interest to a particular group, as well as pointing out whether the speaker was a member of the group where bias may be present or the speaker may have particular insight relevant to the group, but if there is no reasonable expectation of bias or particular insight, its offering is questionable. Note that I have had negative feedback for blasting seemingly anti-gay sentiment, but by the same token, will blast the appearance of unwarranted bias on the otherside. Guess I’m an equal opportunity B.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-05-21 12:08:24

Well, this Cornish-Irish-Scottish-German is seeking a demographic too. Anyone care to help?

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-05-21 12:32:13

I believe you should subscribe to “White Guy” magazine. Or WG for short.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-05-21 13:28:22

Yeah, but I keep sprouting freckles. Which means that I’m not as white as I used to be.

 
Comment by Big V
2009-05-21 13:42:08

AZ Slim is not a guy.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-05-21 13:57:04

My bad. “White Gal” magazine? Still WG for short.

Personally, I’ve never understood why anybody wants a non news/professional magazine subscription. Once you’ve seen one issue, you’ve pretty much seen them all.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-05-21 13:58:14

Hey Slim,

I’m an Openly Straight Welsh-Scottish-German. I think our club is called “Non-entitled”.

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Comment by az_lender
2009-05-21 15:02:28

Slim,

Your combination is quite predictable given that you or your family came from Chester County PA. (So did mine.)

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-05-21 15:10:33

I was born in Allegheny County, PA. Raised in Washington, Delaware, and Chester Counties.

 
Comment by milkcrate
2009-05-21 15:59:49

Me too…
Dad from Wilmington, mom from Chester County. Granddad helped improve dynamite for DuPont. Grandmom on mom’s side a Quaker schoolteacher. There’s some divergence for you.
End of mini-bio.
Freckles have faded in middle age. :)

 
 
Comment by diplomatbob
2009-05-22 07:39:26

Replace your Irish with Italian and I’m your man.

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Comment by hunkydory
2009-05-21 13:09:21

I wouldn’t know what a LGBT was if it slid up my leg and bit me on the bedoingers…

…well, maybe at that point I’d have a general idea. :-)

 
Comment by Skip
2009-05-21 14:57:30

What is an out lesbian anyhow?

Comment by az_lender
2009-05-21 15:04:23

(Just in case you’re not kidding) it’s one who makes her sexual orientation known to the world at large.

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Comment by Blano
2009-05-21 18:31:10

Thank you Skip….was scratching my head over that one too.

 
Comment by Blano
2009-05-21 18:32:25

P.S. az, I’d never heard of that ’til tonight either.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-05-21 19:56:10

Out lesbian is redundant. :)

 
 
 
 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-05-21 12:07:51

Suzanne was a maaan, baby!

Comment by KyleO
2009-05-21 12:46:27

So that’s why buyers involved with her scrub their skin off and gag themselves. Understood.

 
 
Comment by 20910
2009-05-21 12:17:31

They mention b/c this is a newspaper directly targeting the gay community. That’s their readership. So while you, or I, may not care about the sexual orientation of their subjects, their readers may.

As for former-military — ONCE as a cub reporter I wrote about an “ex-Marine” who had broken out of jail. Did I get mail! I learned quickly that in the Marine community, once a Marine, ALWAYS a Marine, unless you are dishonorably discharged.

And the reason I believe reporters include it is they are always looking for some little “hook” to every story.

Comment by DinOR
2009-05-21 16:24:57

Some really funny posts in there!

Right, and I never fault a reporter for looking for the “weenie”* And I’m not saying AdamCO’s point is without validity. But when “deranged vet” is what you’re looking for, likely that’s what you’ll find.

“Where’s the weenie Joker?

Weenie Sir?

With all that fire the grunts had to hit ’something’?

Make it an officer or a sapper, which”

(Full Metal Jacket)*

 
 
Comment by cereal
2009-05-21 20:56:43

fudgepackers

 
Comment by B. Durbin
2009-05-24 18:39:08

Weird synchronicity note: I was reading this article and the exact episode was up on HGTV.

Yeah, I’m an HGTV junkie, especially when working the Sunday shift. (I can usually have three or four things going and STILL have attention to do the easiest shift of the week.)

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-05-21 10:06:24

“Boy, will you hit the jackpot come April 15! On a new home purchase, nearly all of the payment at first goes to interest, so most of your mortgage will be deductible.”

Man, I am SO tired of people saying this like it was a GOOD thing.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-05-21 13:23:58

And then they turn around and tell you that renting is “throwing money away”.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-05-21 13:46:26

You pay the bank or you pay the gov’t - what’s the effin’ difference? Because you’re not paying yourself, that’s for darn sure!

Comment by az_lender
2009-05-21 15:07:28

Big difference: the govt takes only 28% or 36% or (if you live in Calif) conceivably 45% of the money you didn’t pay the bank. Well, OK, I’m making a good argument that Californians with very high income should buy instead of renting…but for most, the tax equation does not make up the difference between the cost of renting and the cost of owning.

 
 
Comment by EggMan
2009-05-21 15:57:39

That Petaluma article was a doozy, that was.

I don’t even pay enough mortgage to exceed my standard deduction. Does that mean I’ve missed out on my “jackpot”? What an idiot!

Comment by Blano
2009-05-21 18:36:06

“That Petaluma article was a doozy, that was.”

No doubt. That was a commercial disguised as news.

 
 
 
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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-21 10:52:51

Rancho Bernardo W 92127 20 $671,000 -2.8%

20 SFRs sold in our zip code at a price that is the lowest I have seen so far (last time I checked, it was $700,000, and the new price is apparently 4 pct lower than that).

By contrast, the median SFR list price on the MLS was $1,050,000 last time I checked (a couple of days ago), a bid-asked gap of $1,050,000 - $671,000 = $379,000. You could buy a nice home for $379,000 in most parts of the US.

Comment by dude
2009-05-21 10:57:13

The debt gap, no?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-21 11:24:42

Right. It is worth noting that a $671,000 loan qualifies for taxpayer-guaranteed GSE financing, but not a $1,050,000 loan.

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Comment by Neil
2009-05-21 11:50:09

That lack of loans is killing the ‘high end’ coastal areas. Dillusion. Low sales.

I’ll add the latest DQ numbers to my blog soon. I’m plotting sales and $/ft^2 for a number of zip codes. The coastal trend isn’t pretty.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2009-05-21 14:33:44

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/apa/1182156878.html

this is more my speed at least for now, Rancho bernardo must be really nice I look forward to pissing Realtors off in the area.

Just like the ol days except now sadly no multiple offers, swarmy realturds and head up the a@@ sellers.

 
Comment by DebtinNation
2009-05-21 21:41:57

When’s 92127 and 28 gonna crack already? Escondido’s looking very reasonable by comparison, but only by comparison.

 
 
Comment by dude
2009-05-21 11:10:48

Palmdale update based on above numbers:

93552 median sales price down 42% YOY (39% in March). PPSF down 36% YOY to $74. Sales declined 9% MOM to 86, sales are up significantly YOY from only 27 last April. My numbers show that April slower than March is normal for this zip.

There were 2.5X NODs for the zip compared to sales. Shadow inventory must still be building, though to look at the public MLS number one would think that 3 months is the magic number. The same applies to zip 93551, except it showed nearly 6X NOD/sales!

Median asking price for 93552 is $189K, median selling price is $130K, 31% discount from list. That is similar to what you are seeing also PB?

Rental listings are up 15% YOY.

On a personal note, I’m still paying no rent. When I told wifey that 2 of the four props for which we had submitted offers were already pending she said, “So what, we are living for free in a nice house.” I love my wife.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-05-21 15:10:14

Woo hoo, SLO county down 26% YOY. Maybe Big V is right about buying time coming soon. Or maybe not TOOOO soon.

 
Comment by jane
2009-05-21 16:41:54

Dude, thanks very much. I would never have had this info. Although most everywhere around CA gives me the willies, with the possible exception of Oly’s neighborhood, these charts comprise epochal history and I am pleased as punch to peruse them.

 
 
Comment by Frankenstein
2009-05-21 10:31:42

“But while on a visit to RiverPark with her friend, she found a four bedroom, three and a half bath townhome that included a granny flat with a separate entrance for her mother, who is disabled. It cost about $412,000.”

A townhome? I don’t know about you, but if I am buying anything called “townhome” even with four bedrooms it’d better not cost $412K.

Fire bad!

Comment by pismoclam
2009-05-21 13:54:19

Frankenstein, I miss Peter Boyle.

 
Comment by MrBubble
2009-05-21 14:40:43

Fire good.

–Tonto

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-05-21 19:57:22

Especially if the Lone Ranger is tied at the stake :grin:

Comment by DennisN
2009-05-22 09:12:56

“What do you mean WE, white man?”

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Comment by Wickedheart
2009-05-21 10:32:25

“The buyer…paid $17,350,613 for the seven-bedroom, 11-bath home. Before selling last week, the Lower Hermosa home was originally listed at $29.5 million and later dropped to $24,750,000. Clark said the sale is a good sign for the high-end housing market since ‘absolutely zero homes above $10 million’ have sold this year.””

Good news? Yeah, if sellers are willing to sell at 40% off their list prices.
Bwahahahahaha

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-21 10:48:38

List price is an irrelevant measure of market value, as many sellers apparently are happy to list their homes indefinitely at prices where they will never find a buyer.

Comment by DinOR
2009-05-21 12:18:25

BINGO!

And who are ‘we’ to take away their fantasy? BanteringBear does a great schtick about delusional sellers having daydreams about rolling around naked in Big Fat Stacks Of Cash.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-05-21 15:37:59

Cranking myself up for my next go-round with cousin Sherry, whose $400K-listed property has had no offers and only two lookers in six months. She can’t keep it — is supporting it by taking antiques and jewelry to auction, since the PITI exceeds her monthly SS. I don’t necessarily care if she sells it or loses it, but the point of my harrassing her is, I have been giving her a few hundred bucks each year at moments when she seems unable to pay light bill or whatever. Not one more time. Hence, I will make a lot of noise about the necessity to bring the list price down.

 
 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-05-21 10:50:30

I love how he thinks that one seller accepting an offer at 40% off original asking is going to ‘jump start’ the market. That is, unless he means that this will cause all the other sellers to drop asking prices down to 50%ish of original asking prices. Because that might actually do it.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-21 10:54:25

Perhaps he meant to say the seller is going to ‘jump start’ an avalanche?

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-05-21 11:32:41

I’m pretty sure that sale ‘jump started’ the underwear cleaning business.

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Comment by Watching the Carnage
2009-05-21 16:36:07

Too Funny!!! The neighbors just took a huge nosedive in perceived wealth. I know the area well and think I even know that house. My brother has a house a few blocks away - the folks there are living in denial…you know…last bastion…will never go down.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Skip
2009-05-21 15:02:23

Maybe we will see this on the next season of “Million dollar listing”!

 
Comment by shibbo
2009-05-21 16:11:44

I thought that was funny, too. As someone who hopes to buy in another year, seeing any house sold at 40% or more off it’s original asking price sounds like a promising indicator that the housing market is moving in “my” direction. If I were a seller, however, seeing values drop so sharply might not be such a positive indicator.

 
 
Comment by az_lender
2009-05-21 10:40:45

Funny to read about Glendale condos being reduced by “at least $150K” and some selling for $400K — am always remembering MY Glendale condo, bought in 94 for $95K, at least 1300 sq ft on a fairly attractive cul-de-sac. The fellow who bought it did tell me at some later time that it was “worth $400,000″ — swell, if you think so. Am I sorry I sold it in 96? No, I’m not; the money went into the az_lender biz and produced an actual cash flow.

Comment by Mot
2009-05-22 22:01:02

I just saw the house I bought in Folsom for $258 in 2001 and sold for $350 in 2003 come up for public auction with a bid price of $467.

The same models in that development have sold for $325 this year.

Unfreakingbelievable.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-21 10:56:48

“The dip in median prices ran counter to recent reported buying frenzies that has had economists, analysts and Realtors saying the market was recovering.”

There is no inconsistency between reported buying frenzies and the dip in median prices, as the dip set off the buying frenzies, as specuvestors think they see a glorious opportunity. Buy the dip, specuvestors!!!

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-21 11:01:47

“But, he said, ‘we need to burn through a ton of foreclosures’ and government fees must go down.”

I was guessing bulldozers would be used to clear out foreclosure inventory, but I suppose fire would work better in SoCal.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-05-21 13:31:34

Yeah, but CA is in earthquake season right now. Y’know, the season that follows drought, fire, and flood.

Comment by SaladSD
2009-05-21 15:31:44

Don’t forget the black widow spider infestations….

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-05-21 15:55:17

It’s always earthquake season in Cali! That’s the best thing about earthquakes. No warning, no seasons, and just infrequent enough you don’t really worry about them. Way better than being glued to the TV for days on end waiting to see if the cat 5 hurricane is going to cream you.

Comment by DebtinNation
2009-05-21 21:50:06

I heartily disagree. I lived in Miami for 2 years during those record seasons a couple of years ago, and have lived in CA most of my life besides that. For the very reason of no warning, I hate earthquakes! You never know when, how long, or how strong. Hurricanes, on the other hand, are a good excuse to barbeque in the Cat. 1-2 range, and if 3 or above, you usually have ample warning to get the heck out of Dodge (or in my case, Miami-Dade).

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Comment by DennisN
2009-05-22 09:16:42

I disagree with your disagreement. At least in California the earthquakes generally occur during periods of fair weather. If your house collapses and you escape, it’s not to onerous to camp out for a few days while waiting for help to arrive.

On the other hand, hurricanes ALWAYS occur during periods of bad weather. ;)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-21 11:03:06

“Several variables can still affect a housing recovery, DataQuick President John Walsh said in a statement. ‘The problem is that we still face big threats to price stability: layoffs, which can cause foreclosures across the home price spectrum, and possibly a new round of foreclosures triggered by defaults on option ARM and stated income loans used in mid to high-end markets. Also of concern are reports of lenders holding back for many months before making a public foreclosure filing,’ he said.”

Sounds like he has been reading our posts…

Comment by Big V
2009-05-21 13:50:37

Where was DataQuick 4-5 years ago, when all this information was readily available and could have prevented a lot of people from wasting a lot of resources? Oh, NOW he wants to parrot the rest of us. John Walsh is a twirp.

 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2009-05-21 11:04:15

Once again it strikes me that the faith of many Californians in residential real estate may surpass their faith in a supreme being. And given the wealth destruction that has occurred over the last eighteen months, I frankly am amazed at the amount of money coming off the sidelines in the apparent belief that a house has returned to being an investment rather than a liability.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-21 11:23:16

It feels mighty strange to live as an atheist in the midst of zealots.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-21 11:52:47

Actually I jest. I confess that I was the kid in my family who figured out that Santa Claus was a fraud, and told my sisters. So it feels pretty natural for me to debunk real estate myths, such as “Real estate always goes up,” “Buy now or you will get priced out forever” or “Renting is just throwing away money.”

Comment by Big V
2009-05-21 13:51:54

WHAT? SC is a WHAT? Say it again, I dare you.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-21 14:45:32

I figured it out by yanking on his beard when my mum sat him on his lap (and yes, FPSS, I have a mum!)…

 
Comment by Skip
2009-05-21 15:09:20

when my mum sat him on his lap

Your leaving a lot to the imagination here…

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-05-21 15:41:02

I figured it out only after receiving a personal note from the Easter Bunny in my mother’s handwriting. No EB => No SC, logical deduction.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-05-21 20:00:22

PB,

You sound like Natalie Wood in Miracle on 34th Street. She pulls Santa Claus beard. However SC beard doesn’t come off.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by james
2009-05-21 11:05:46

About this section… I looked at financing a house in Anaheim Hills to live in. Looking at around a 400k price tag on a 15yr loan. Well the interest deduction on this loan is 16800. The standard deduction is already 11900 ish. So, your talking about getting under 2000 dollars back on this. Rate was 4.25% on the loan (wow.).

So the tax savings is pretty minimal consideration. I’d also probably get into trouble with the AMT in a year or so making the tax advantage even less. Also note these people are already talking about stretching to buy this. There is the one time tax credit and some other things that make this sketchy.

Anyhow, we are talking about only a few hundred dollars a month in savings on taxes with all the other burdens of ownership.So, hopefully the increase in costs isn’t much more than the 200$ of “tax savings”

“She had been helping a friend look at homes for about a year. Mostly, it had been a discouraging process for Tallman, who said most of the homes in her price range needed a lot of work and would have needed modifications to meet her needs. But while on a visit to RiverPark with her friend, she found a four bedroom, three and a half bath townhome that included a granny flat with a separate entrance for her mother, who is disabled. It cost about $412,000.”

‘With low interest rates, it made sense to buy. Everything fell into place perfectly, she said. The mortgage is more than her rent was each month, but she gets the tax savings.’

“‘I’m stretching a little bit more than I did, but at least it’s going toward something,’ she said.”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-05-21 12:10:43

Stretching *a bit* more than you did? Sweetie, stretching on a torture rack is more like it!

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-05-21 13:29:24

Going towards something? Yeah, the little that you’ll pay in principal over the next five years (assuming a 30-yr fixed) will all go to transaction costs when you sell. Assuming that prices level off over the period of ownership.

What a racket this industry is.

 
Comment by Skip
2009-05-21 15:19:41

Standard deduction is not that high. She should get back ~$5k plus CA income tax.

Comment by james
2009-05-21 17:36:43

OK, the head of household is 8350$ and mfj is 11,400$.

That works out to around 300$ per month.

Plain ordinary single its getting very substantial at 400$ or so per month.

For me, married guy, it barely works out at all.

 
 
Comment by EggMan
2009-05-21 16:02:31

Doesn’t she also get to pay property taxes?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-21 11:22:10

“A very good case can be made that California’s developers, mortgage lenders and house-hungry, but income-deficient, residents, with state and local officials as enablers, created an unsustainable housing bubble. And when that bubble burst, leaving holders of mortgage bundles — many of them overseas banks — with little more than toilet paper, it created a banking crisis that spread to virtually every other segment of the global economy.”

It could never have happened without the huge dose of crazy lending assistance from Megabank, Inc.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-05-21 15:50:45

OT Prof Bear, but wanted to thank you re “friend musician” advice” a couple days ago. It made me think about what you said.

Also, while I am an attorney and actually wish I was anything but, the concept of “insurable interest” is a fascinating study in case law. Yes, you are right, sometimes, an employer can kill their employees with a life insurance policy. However, this is not always the case. How pathetic and morbid that information is, and I’ll betcha a 100% that is their modus operandi.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-21 16:52:30

“How pathetic and morbid that information is, and I’ll betcha a 100% that is their modus operandi.”

I’ve seen it in action.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-05-21 17:12:11

I don’t doubt you for a second.

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Comment by David
2009-05-21 11:57:39

the bay area stats are out today also, on bloomberg
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=atBfoEWN00Ww&refer=home
San Francisco Home Prices Fall 41% on Foreclosures

Comment by EastBayRenter
2009-05-21 18:04:00

Yeah, but do you want to live in any of the areas where the “median” price is in line with your income? NO!! Prices are still about $300k too high in the area where I live in East Bay. I’m waiting another 2 years for the Option-ARMS and Liar loans to come up and adjust…. It’s just starting!! I have NO plans to live in Pittsburg/Richmond/Brentwood….

 
 
Comment by BearCat
2009-05-21 12:57:31

As I’ve said before, someone should write this book:
SUBPRIME:
How California Screwed the World

Comment by EastBayRenter
2009-05-21 18:05:42

The pending bailout of CA by our “lovely” President to his supports will only add more to the taxpayers debt! It’s sick the rest of the U.S. will pay for all this CA crap!!

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
Comment by EndOfEmpire
2009-05-21 16:07:44

I almost wonder if that is a bird? It’s so regular that maybe it is someone wheezing near the cameraman.

Comment by Watching the Carnage
2009-05-21 16:49:44

No - it’s the real thing. That same damn bird perches itself outside my window every morning, only its about 100 decibels louder.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-05-21 17:07:57

Gee, that bird really gets around, doesn’t it? Starts the day by providing a too-early wakeup call for Watching the Carnage, then moves on to DC for some disrupting of the President.

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Comment by Watching the Carnage
2009-05-21 19:45:12

AZ Slim,

I’m telling you - it’s the same damn bird! And to get from my house to the White House requires flying four miles west, a quick right turn on MD RT4 which turns into Pennsylvania Ave.

About 40 miles north to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. - seems like a reasonable timeline to me…as that bird starts chirping somewhere around 6:00am.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Big V
2009-05-21 13:35:42

Good Morning, California.

Come on, does anyone really believe that the global credit bubble can be blamed on one state? This bubble was caused by policy adopted by governments around the world, relying on blind faith in the unfettered type of feudalism that poorly disguises itself as capitalism. Sorry, ROW (rest of the world), but you are going to have to take some of your own responsibility on this one.

Comment by palmetto
2009-05-21 13:59:36

“Sorry, ROW (rest of the world), but you are going to have to take some of your own responsibility on this one.”

Fair enough. I just don’t want to see Cali have to be bailed out by the rest of the US. Which is one ridiculous idea that’s being floated right now. OTOH, is it any more ridiculous than bailing out banks? I’d rather have bailed out CA than the banks and auto companies. Makes more sense for the US to help out one of its own states than to bend over for the banks/auto companies.

But, how exactly would Cali pay back a bailout? Higher taxes? Selling off lands? Leasing roadways? What? Too bad the state doesn’t have the license that banks do to come up with funny money and frig around with the books. Cali might have a fighting chance if it didn’t have to support so many illegals and jackpot babies.

Comment by in Colorado
2009-05-21 18:17:04

Every family in the US gets a free trip to Disneyland!

 
Comment by DebtinNation
2009-05-21 21:58:37

Sell Big Sur and Yosemite to develop condos, golf resorts, and more condos!!!

Comment by DennisN
2009-05-22 09:23:11

The feds already own Yosemite.

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Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-05-21 14:00:30

Nah, it’s totally our fault. We caused the global recession. Since it’s our fault, we’ll just pack up our toys and go home. Secede from America so you guys won’t have to worry about us doing it again. Oh, we’ll be taking our federal taxes with us.

Comment by in Colorado
2009-05-21 18:18:41

I think that the MEChA, La Raza and Aztlan crowd are counting on it.

Comment by palmetto
2009-05-21 18:39:45

You got that right! Except the MEcha, NCLR and Aztlan folks wouldn’t appreciate the loss of the federal taxes. That’s their lifeblood.

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Comment by cactus
2009-05-21 14:35:56

yea I don’t think investors were forced to buy jumbo Cali loans ?

 
Comment by EggMan
2009-05-21 16:11:58

One word. Florida.

 
Comment by Leighsong
2009-05-21 22:10:01

Rest of the world -

Yeah.

Heard the other day, Russia wants to be the peg.

Additionally, UAE pulled out of the…er…
Something about a sand dollar.

Yeah. Talk about unpegging the dollar.

To what?

grrrrrrrrr…

HAR!

We double dare ya!

A very confused - joyous -

Leigh

 
 
Comment by robiscrazy
2009-05-21 14:23:07

Alright, let me see if I can contribute with a California anecdote from Sacramento.

Spoke with a buddy last night and he informs me he’s going to refi out of his 30 year fixed into a 15 year fixed, shave 1% of the APR, and only increase his payment by $50 per month. Here are some stats.

Purchase date: 2001/2002
Purchase price: $192K
Loan Amount: $158K

Prices in this decent neighborhood reached an insane $400K’s in 2008 for bungalows built around 1950.

Here’s the kicker. Appraiser shows up at the house and whips out some comps. She informs my buddy that it only comps out at $125K! What surprised me even more was she wouldn’t accept payment from him. Passed on a $350 appraisal fee and said she would try again in a few weeks after there are a few more sales in the neighborhood. What appraiser won’t take their fee?

So, I pulled some comps last night and found a 2/1 that sold for $144K in March 2009. His is a 3/1 and he needs 200K for the loan to fund. I dunno……

Real Estate dot com gives a range of 109K to $169K for value. Zillow dot com said it was worth $214K.

He’s not too concerned as he plans to live there a long while and can just pay extra on the current 30 year fixed mortgage if there’s no refi.

What do you guys think?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-05-21 15:12:53

I think I’d just pay extra on the mortgage. No refi fees that way.

 
Comment by Big V
2009-05-21 15:19:45

I think the bank is trying to get him to use some of his own money. The opposite of what they used to do.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-05-21 15:24:35

Somehow I think a few more sales in the neighborhood isn’t going to make the house appraise higher…

Question : Why does he need it to fund at 200k if he only owes 158k on it?

Comment by robiscrazy
2009-05-21 15:34:24

Sorry, needs to appraise at $200K. Fund at $158K, So he still has 20% of his own money in otherwise pay PMI.

Apologies, accidentally posted this in a new thread.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-05-21 15:51:54

Ah, that makes more sense. I’m guessing the area is close to bottom if 2002 purchase is underwater by 15% or so. (Assuming that 170ish is a fair price.)

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Comment by Leighsong
2009-05-21 22:25:54

1%???

$50 dollar increase??

What does this gal think?

Frackin nuts - math is his friend.

Run the frackin numbers! (No insult intended).

What appraiser would not take their fee?

The fracking one that is obligated by RESPA for a five year period to keep the records?

Sorry - I guess I have a soft spot for appraisers.

Yeah. They could have stopped this mess…

Sigh…

Manias.

Shut my face!

Leigh

Comment by robiscrazy
2009-05-21 23:05:11

Let’s see, this person is only changing 2 things in the $158,000 loan.

- Reducing the term from 30 to 15
- Reducing the APR by 1 person.

Maybe the part I forgot was the original loan balance was around $180K with a 6% interest rate. My buddy was making an extra 1-2 payments a year directly towards principle for the last 7 years or so.

Comment by robiscrazy
2009-05-22 00:01:05

1 person = 1 percent

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Comment by robiscrazy
2009-05-21 15:31:27

Sorry, needs to appraise at $200K. Fund at $158K, So he still has 20% of his own money in otherwise pay PMI.

Comment by robiscrazy
2009-05-21 15:36:46

Sorry, this belongs in the previous thread.

Don’t post much. Only lurk. But at least I gave Ben $$$ a long while back.

Comment by milkcrate
2009-05-21 16:26:31

Appreciate the input from Sacramento, four hours north of my cul-de-sac existence.

Comment by robiscrazy
2009-05-21 18:09:35

Bakersfield?

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Comment by milkcrate
2009-05-21 20:03:29

I drive a four-cylinder.
Fresno.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by joe.randum
2009-05-21 16:10:49

The Daily Breeze. “The Palos Verdes Art Center’s seventh annual ‘Win Your Dream House Raffle’ turned out a bit different this year: There was no house…”

Aren’t most of them turning out like that? The Danville guy who lost his job and then miraculously won a north Bay house raffle also took the cash, I believe. There’s a good chance another house raffle in San Diego will end the same way, particularly if not enough tickets are sold. And the “Living the Dream” house in San Francisco being raffled through ybca.org (a local art non-profit) is also offering the cash alternative up front (one of the reasons I bought a ticket there and not elsewhere, since I think advertising the cash prize is a good rebuttal to complaints about taxes, etc).

Anyway, I don’t know how these things are run outside of California. Do home raffles usually end with a home being occupied when they’re done in, oh, Florida?

 
Comment by milkcrate
2009-05-21 16:11:09

Does any bubble watcher know the difference between what a poster this week called “the Internet MLS” and the Realtor-associated data base itself? Aside from “agents notes”?
I thought the data base might shed some light on the shadow REO inventory.
I throw it out there for anyone who may be licensed or might know. Wipeout? Anyone?

 
Comment by milkcrate
2009-05-21 16:27:59

Did Homeland Security seize the server?

Comment by Muir
2009-05-21 17:36:44

No it’s all cool, I couldn’t post either.

All HBBrs good night!

(special congrats to Bears, impressive day, I bought at the end of the day; but would love to see this charade end in a collapse rather than inflation. God bless.)

 
 
Comment by bananarepublic
2009-05-21 17:36:32

Well gang, we pulled the trigger on a house today and our offer was accepted. I’ll give you some details…

Lot: 1 acre
Square feet: 3,200
Built: 1997
Price: $415,000
Last Sale: 2000 (Sold for $380,000)

It is a great location, amazing views, the property taxes are low, there’s no HOA, and it is close to everything, including a park. The sellers are a really nice older couple, and they kept the place in great condition. It pretty much matches all our needs, so we pulled the trigger.

Of course, we know prices are going to continue going lower. But at least we aren’t paying a premium for the house, relative to 2000 prices. Sure the cost per sqft. is over $130 but the lot, condition, location, and views all add up. So I think they priced it right. The house doesn’t need any work. Basically it is in move-in condition.

I’ll let you know how things go, but we are really happy to find this place. It was a LONG search!

Comment by Big V
2009-05-21 17:59:03

Where is it?

Comment by bananarepublic
2009-05-21 18:14:32

Colorado, outside Denver.

 
 
Comment by robiscrazy
2009-05-21 18:11:59

Yeah…yeah….where is it! licking my chops and wringing my hands….

Comment by palmetto
2009-05-21 19:01:46

OK, now that’s just TOO funny, right there. Swear to Jeebus, you just made my evening. My shoulders are heaving with fits of laughter and I had to pound my chest in order to breathe.

Dang, that struck me funny! The mental image….thanks!

 
 
Comment by az_lender
2009-05-21 18:29:35

Another fallen soldier [sigh]

Comment by bananarepublic
2009-05-22 09:52:56

I know what you mean AZ. But this place was priced well. We just couldn’t wait any longer.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-21 19:15:55

Given nine years of inflation, you may have bought at 2000 prices (in real terms). Score!

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-21 19:17:23

P.S. My sister bought a penthouse level condo last year near the governor’s mansion. I visited her last fall, and decided she did just fine for herself. Colorado may have gotten a bit frothy, but the situation is nothing compared to Cali.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-05-21 21:22:32

Not trying to p!ss on banana’s cornflakes here but didn’t Denver’s run-up begin much earlier than most other cities such that 2000 prices in Denver might be considered to be comparable to 2003 prices elsewhere?

Comment by bananarepublic
2009-05-21 21:57:02

This is correct sleepless. They got real frothy by 2000, so this represents the peak of their last cycle. But even if I use the sale before that in 1997, annualized appreciation is less than 2% over that period. Still not bad.

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Comment by bananarepublic
2009-05-21 21:53:58

The fact we bought the place at 2000 prices was comforting, but Denver did get pretty frothy by 2000. The sale before that was $320k in 1997. But even if we use 1997 as the starting point it still isn’t that bad for 12 years (less than 2% compounded annual appreciation). I thought it was a fair price so I bought it.

Unfortunately, I don’t think this fact is going to save us from losses for a while. I just hope we don’t need to sell the place in the next 10 years. Otherwise we are screwed.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-05-21 22:47:02

Good Luck…could you rent it and at least break even, if you had to in an emergency?

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I just hope we don’t need to sell the place in the next 10 years. Otherwise we are screwed.

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Comment by bananarepublic
2009-05-22 09:09:51

I don’t think we would break even on it, but it might be close.

 
 
Comment by The_Overdog
2009-05-22 08:55:33

I would say you paid a fair price for it.

Large lot, large house, and relatively new. Way to go!

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Comment by bananarepublic
2009-05-22 09:51:13

Thanks Overdog. I know the price is going to go lower, but this is a long-term purchase.

 
 
 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-05-29 20:27:48

Congrats BR, best of everything to you in your new abode!

May you and yours have many happy times in the new house!

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-05-29 17:57:16

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