Bits Bucket For May 25, 2009
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
Post off-topic ideas, links and Craigslist finds here. Please visit the HBB Forum. And see the American Visionaries series from Schwarzfilm.
NYTimes
Published: May 24, 2009
As job losses rise, growing numbers of American homeowners with once solid credit are falling behind on their mortgages, amplifying a wave of foreclosures.
In the latest phase of the nation’s real estate disaster, the locus of trouble has shifted from subprime loans — those extended to home buyers with troubled credit — to the far more numerous prime loans issued to those with decent financial histories.
With many economists anticipating that the unemployment rate will rise into the double digits from its current 8.9 percent, foreclosures are expected to accelerate. That could exacerbate bank losses, adding pressure to the financial system and the broader economy.
“We’re about to have a big problem,” said Morris A. Davis, a real estate expert at the University of Wisconsin. “Foreclosures were bad last year? It’s going to get worse.”
Economists refer to the current surge of foreclosures as the third wave, distinct from the initial spike when speculators gave up property because of plunging real estate prices, and the secondary shock, when borrowers’ introductory interest rates expired and were reset higher.
“We’re right in the middle of this third wave, and it’s intensifying,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Economy.com. “That loss of jobs and loss of overtime hours and being forced from a full-time to part-time job is resulting in defaults. They’re coast to coast.”
Those sliding into foreclosure today are more likely to be modest borrowers whose loans fit their income than the consumers of exotically lenient mortgages that formerly typified the crisis.
Economy.com expects that 60 percent of the mortgage defaults this year will be set off primarily by unemployment, up from 29 percent last year.
“Economy.com expects that 60 percent of the mortgage defaults this year will be set off primarily by unemployment, up from 29 percent last year”
So 40% are people who are upside down and say I didn`t sign up to lose money, I`m out a here.
i Live in NYC and i must say i still see people out spending money
i actually do see help wanted signs (maybe not high $$ jobs)
but a job none the less
happy memorial day to all
thanks to the armed forces and to the men and women we lost
I’m camping near Lake Tahoe, and people sure are out and spending this weekend. It’s absolutely packed everywhere I’ve been. I was quite surprised by the crowds. I couldn’t even camp at the first place I went- it was over capacity. Tons of new diesel pickups, and I mean brand new, toy haulers, boats, motorhomes, motorcycles, four-wheeler, and more. Is the recession over or something?
Not everyone is broke. But they sure aren’t selling as many trucks, boats, etc. as they did a few years ago.
Might As well put my Reno/Sparks report here; was there 10 days ago (spent better part of a week). Stayed at the home which was the last one built in phase two of a five phase 1500 acre development. The developer quit building, sold the model homes and turned the remaining 1300 acres back to the bank. Quite a few empty house ready lots ( several whole vacant streets) which probably will not see another home built this decade. Few homes for sale, because, I was told, 600k’s are selling for 400k, 400k’s are selling for 275K. An increasing number of foreclosures; many construction type trucks/suvs parked in driveways that never moved the whole week. Drove by other developments with multiple homes stopped in mid-construction; AVAILABLE signs on nearly every strip mall, commercial block in the entire Sparks area, yet, continued heavy construction of commercial/retail in several areas. This in spite of completed commercial areas with multiple, side by side, unrented, candle shop ready storefronts. Zero waiting at any large grocer/Cosco. Host said people are too afraid to shop.
$400K? In SPARKS? There’s a lot more room to fall.
Visited Lake Tahoe, Nevada side Sand Point (?) beach about 2 weeks ago; no one there…..park employee said normally about a thousand with no place to park. Counted only about 2 dozen cars. Gorgeous place. Now I understand why people rave about the place. No one could explain why the lack of people. It was a beautiful day; divers (in dry suits) said the water was a balmy 47 degrees….F.
Here on Maui things are dead. People are saving money and staying close to home. On Friday an old friend and his son flew in from Oahu. Our plans started with golf in the morning. Course was deserted. They did have a big group planned in the late morning. We took our own sweet time. Let one group play through and that was it. We were the first ones out and had the whole place to ourselves.
Afternoon was head back home and load up to go fishing. Season just began, and we decided to go to the easiest place to get to. On the road to Lahina there are cliffs, so we fished The Pali. All along the coast there are spots that have been fixed up by shorecasters. On an average weekend there would be 30 to 50 poles along this strech. Once again we were alone.
I caught a 10 ft sharky, and my buddy’s son got his first ulua. Thirteen lbs. We decided to stay another night, but caught nothing but sleep. Saturday was the same as Friday. Just us 4 and nobody else.
Right now my body is telling me I am not young. My legs are screaming, my thumb has a nice blister under construction and the only thing that does not hurt is my hair. And we have another trip planned for two weeks from now.
One of the good things about this depression/recession is that this island reminds me of back when I was a pup, and we had it all to ourselves. A few years back I was thinking of leaving and moving to Molokai because we had changed so much, and there were too many people here. Now the island is returning back to what it used to be. Life is slower and the ainoekea attitude is returning. And it may be selfish and greedy on my part, but I like it.
We want to travel to Maui this summer, but airfares are hugely expensive ($600-$700 - from California.) I’ll wait. But I love Hawaii.
Wife has tickets to SLC in mid July. $437 R/T Going there has 1 stop in Phoneix. Back on direct flight. Just looked at airfare again $536 for same dates. It seems to be cheaper to fly here from SLC than LAX.
A few years ago Aloha had a flight direct to SNA. If you could wait until the last week before your flight they would fill the empty seats for $99. Boy, do I miss Aloha.
I’m waiting for parts of Florida to return to its sleepy, rural character, in some of the outlying areas of Tampa Bay. Unfortunately, the builders and developers really did a number.
Aripeka, maybe. But even there…
A hero story from Elm Grove, Wisconsin for Memorial day.
Mother in a mini-van with two toddlers and an
infant going to the parade this am stalls it on train tracks in front of on coming train. Appears the woman to have tried to sneak between the train-gates near parade and then froze up.
Dad is in behind in another car. A nearby policeman and Dad race to get mom and toddlers out of the van. On-lookers can’t figure why they don’t stand back as the train bears down on them and the van after seeing mom and little kids rescued from van.
They can’t get the infant out. Train smacks into van knocking van, Dad and cop off of the tracks. Both Dad and cop hurt. Cops shoulder all busted up as he was hit while leaning into the van trying to get infant out when train struck. Policeman’s reported first responce to people running to assist him was “Help the baby first”.
Amazingly, infant is okay, Dad and policeman to hospital and both expected to be okay. Their local Memorial Parade is parade is cancelled. Mom may get seriously chewed out but I wouldn’t be surprised if this police officer, Dad and little infant are in the next Elm Grove parade.
Local TV News…no link available
Awesome! Hooray! I get so tired and sad of the steady stream of bad news about badly hurt (or worse) little kids. Everyone’s alive, some are hurt but not mortally?
Man, this is a great story. Thanks, mikey.
Wow…here’s a link Oly…out of California no less !?!
Wisconsin town’s parade canceled after train hits minivan
http://tinyurl.com/ojewsf
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again…
Women + Vehicles = Entrophy.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again…
I’ve never said it before, but I betcha I say it again…
ATE + Patronizingness = Brisk reprimandy girl slap.
(Followed by a really fast and hair-raising ride strapped to the trunk of a small convertible. Then let’s see who’s sassy then, shall we? )
Can I pick the convertible?
It seems like a death wish….nobody ever seems to stall a car or truck when no trains are coming.
Or was it she was Yapping on her phone with the AC blasting and hit the brakes instead of the gas?
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stalls it on train tracks
Pardon me for being a self-righteous bicyclist, but I never, ever have problem with hearing a train whistle. And I have a slight hearing loss.
But, then again, I don’t bicycle and talk on a cell phone at the same time.
Great Story Mikey!
Thx ATE-UP..it was just a few miles west of me and it could have been pretty awful especially with all those kids. Who said there’s never a cop around when you really need one?
Who said there’s never a cop around when you really need one?
Boy, not me. I’m gonna send him a ‘get well’ card.
Are we not messing with the laws of natural selection when attempts are made to rescue people (and their children) from themselves?
If they prove she tried to drive around the gate then does the cop get to sue her for damages resulting from his injuries?
Bombs under north korea!
Maybe it’s time to embrace the “Dr. Strangelove” subtitle: How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb.
Mr. President, we must not allow a mine-shaft gap!
Gentlemen! You can’t fight in here. It’s the war room!
Pigs fly. Hell freezes over. The WaPo prints this on p. 1:
Housing Bust Leaves Most Sellers at a Loss
Local Prices Expected to Continue Falling
Minor peeves:
The story contradicts itself, saying District prices have held steady and then citing a woman who is trying to sell in Adams Morgan for $40K less than she bought in ‘05.
And of course, they have this graph:
Predictions vary about when the region’s prices will hit bottom. They may keep tumbling until late 2009 for close-in communities and until 2011 in outlying suburbs, according to a study . . .
Until late 2009? Ya mean 6 more months? Oy. All this does is encourage people to keep their homes off the market for another six months. As this realtor put it: “I can’t tell you how many listing appointments my team scheduled only to have the client say: ‘You know what, we’re just going to just stay put and hold out on selling for a while,” said Melissa Stewart, a Century 21 real estate agent who works in Fredericksburg. “We’ve had probably eight of those in the past month and a half.”
Still, I hate to nit-pick, this story is progress!
Keep the hope alive!
“All this does is encourage people to keep their homes off the market for another six months.”
Keep those house payments flowing into the banks. Encourage people to stay and pay. Six months of payments is better than none.
Renew the hope six months from now, and then renew it six months after that. Encourgage the FBs to keep up with the payments at all cost.
The taxpayers will be most greatful.
well you don’t want to throw money away on rent.
(sarcasm off)
I want to help pay my landlords’ mortgage — so long as they also pay for the property taxes, the insurance, the HOA dues, and the groundskeepers’ fee. I honestly don’t see how we could come anywhere close to this deal if we owned a home in the area where we rent.
“Renew the hope six months from now, and then renew it six months after that. Encourgage the FBs to keep up with the payments at all cost.”
Amen. This is all about containment at this point. Hold out that carrot. But the longer folks hang on to these houses, the worse the economy will be when the house finally does goes up for short sale or foreclosure. And just imagine if interest rates are higher next year to boot.
From Saturday’s San Diego fish wrap:
“Agustin and Felicisima Garcia of Escondido recently avoided foreclosure when they negotiated a major modification of their home loan. Working with Community HousingWorks, they refinanced into an adjustable, 40-year loan. Their delinquent payments were added to the outstanding balance.”
“Their monthly mortgage bill dropped from about $2,900 to $339, and their interest rate was reduced from 6.25 percent to 3 percent, officials said. That rate will remain fixed for five years, then rise to a maximum of 5 percent. A balloon payment of $341,105 will be due until the end of the 40-year term of the loan, or when the home is sold or refinanced. ”
http://tinyurl.com/pgvb3e
“Their monthly mortgage bill dropped from about $2,900 to $339, and their interest rate was reduced from 6.25 percent to 3 percent, officials said. That rate will remain fixed for five years, then rise to a maximum of 5 percent. A balloon payment of $341,105 will be due until the end of the 40-year term of the loan, or when the home is sold or refinanced. ”
That my friends is why home prices will not be rising any time in the near future.
1. Loan mods are still being done into I/O loans.
2. We’re still doing I/O loans as ARMs even, with ultra-low rates.
3. We’re still giving loans $340,000 loans to a single-earner cheuffer that’s got 6 dependents.
I see no way this loan makes it to maturity, with balloon payment, without defaulting. Thus the bank trouble will continue for a long, long time. Even on what I’m sure are relatively meager wages this family can easily stay in that home for $339 a month. Then what happens 40 years from now? Whoops - sorry I guess I don’t have $341,105 on me. Here’s a nice set of keys though!
(Caveat - hyperinflation is the one way I see out of the trouble on loans like this; though if that happens then we’ve got other troubles.)
“Then what happens 40 years from now? Whoops - sorry I guess I don’t have $341,105 on me.”
Can’t the guy’s heirs sell the place off at any time and stiff the bank for the shortfall from the $341,105 due on the loan? Or, equivalently, just hand over the keys to the bank when they get tired of making their $339 monthly nut?
Yeah there has to be something more to the picture - I don’t get the whole I/O loan thing. Exactly what is it that prevents someone from paying super-low payments for years, and then just walking away before making their balloon payment?
Under normal conditions I suppose equity build-up via appreciation may serve that function - but there really won’t be any of that for a long time at this point. That’s why I’m amazed that anyone’s doing I/O loans right now.
This loan had better be recourse. If it’s non-recourse, I’ll take three, please.
What? Their new annual interest rate is 3%, and their monthly payment is $339? Then how can the principal amount be any more than $135K?
Answer: it’s a negative-amortization deal. Not even an honest I/O.
I generally understand the concept that there are some places where there never should have been demand for housing and the concept that certain areas are almost always more desirable, but is there much statistical evidence that intown areas or waterfront areas historically retain their value. I hear this all the time from Realtors, and every Realtor has a top 5 list of what to tell ppl as to why the area they work in will be the least affected. For example, if the bubble resulted in the greatest appreciation for intown areas and vacation properties, and its burst resulted in the loss of high paying jobs in the city (i.e., major brokerage houses, investment banks, etc.) and less demand for high priced land, couldn’t the opposite be true? I know in Denver that right now it’s the high priced areas that are taking the biggest hit, and the less than 250k properties are selling strong. Along the same lines, Realtors tell me in the higher priced neighborhoods ppl dont worry about cash so its always safe to buy there - these are magical rich ppl who live lives without setbacks and money is never an issue. I guess they don’t understand that “wealth” in the last decade was generated more by leverage and momentum rather than innovation and productivity. Is their any truth to these cliches, or is it just total bull spoken by desperate ppl? I undertand that certain areas will show the first drop due to available cash flow issues, but to me that is not conclusive of the validity of what is being preached.
“Along the same lines, Realtors tell me in the higher priced neighborhoods ppl dont worry about cash so its always safe to buy there - these are magical rich ppl who live lives without setbacks and money is never an issue.”
The foreclosure numbers posted by Professor Bear yesterday for such high end areas as La Jolla and Rancho Santa Fe should dispel that myth. High end areas are not immune, at least not in this downturn. They just hold out longer.
Also see my comment about the Idaho Statesman article yesterday - about how the more expensive areas around Boise have had more of a price drop than the cheaper areas.
Tim
With the exception of I-pods I-phones and google, just what did we create in the last 10 years?
The cheap wireless communications was brought about by JDSU Global Crossing buying everybody and massively overproducing fiber optic cables of which a ton are still dark and may not ever be usable
oh yeah LCD’s
LCD’s and Google have both been around for more than 10 years.
That’s not to say that there haven’t been tons of advancements - just wanted to clarify those.
Just what did we create in the last ten years? Uggs? No. Wait. They’re from down under, aren’t they? How ’bout the demand for Uggs? Yeah. That’s something we created!
crox, water-tasting beer, cigs, hygro-weed, meth, 6 dollar lattes, cheesy theme parks, kick-ass weapons, airliners, a space shuttle, did I miss anything???
snuggies and sham wows
Reality shows! Endless Top 10 lists on every media outlet imaginable. A dozen of so Flip Your House shows.
Who invented the Wii?
Water-tasting beer has been around as long as there have been colleges.
I think the Sham Wow is German…..
The shammy has been around for decades, some slick salesman just pumped it up, flavored it with bubble gum colors, and then pimped it out on the inform the sheeple networks.
“With the exception of I-pods I-phones and google, just what did we create in the last 10 years?”
Millions of (10 x income) houses built by 20 million illegal immigrants and financed by minions of Wall Street crooks who passed the liability on to the US taxpayer?
Millions of (10 x income) houses built by 20 million illegal immigrants and financed by minions of Wall Street crooks who passed the liability on to the US taxpayer?
We have a winner!
“…but is there much statistical evidence that intown areas or waterfront areas historically retain their value.”
The Japanese housing market offers a nice natural experiment which may help shed light on the answer to your question.
- It is an island nation with many waterfront areas.
- It has one of the world’s highest population densities, implying many areas that could be classified “intown.”
Anyone who thinks coastal U.S. property prices are likely to quickly bottom out then start appreciating again at bubble-era rates (20 pct a year or so) ought to stare at this chart for a little while before they decide whether to jump back into the real estate investing game.
The chart ends in 2007; I am curious where the Japanese land prices are headed at the moment, given that they just posted their worst post-WWII GDP decline.
FWIW - Japan does have a net population loss occurring now, for the past 3-4 years or so. While obviously that doesn’t have a *direct* effect on the land prices since they did have net gain until 2005 or so - it probably had some indirect effect in that everyone knew it was coming (Japan has the oldest population in the world), and therefore reduced some of the speculative element of real estate.
I’m sure that’s small part of the overall picture, but a significant factor nonetheless.
Don’t look now, but the US population is aging with the crest of the baby boom population wave. McMansion demand is toast over the next three decades.
Nah - population growth’s actually been quite steady in the U.S. for years, with no end in sight. We have a much more loose immigration policy than Japan. Of course it doesn’t hurt if you’re 100% surrounded by water.
It *is* interesting to see the “% change from a year ago” data.
- The baby boom lasted a lot longer than I would have thought - into the early 60’s.
- I’ve heard of an “echo boom” - that chart shows it’s a myth
- There is however an interesting mini-boom in the 1990’s for whatever reason.
Japan Home Prices Slump to 24-Year Low as Recession Deepens
By Katsuyo Kuwako
March 23 2009 (Bloomberg) — Japanese residential land prices fell to a 24-year low as job losses and wage cuts discouraged homebuyers, while tighter credit markets choked off funding for property developers.
Residential land prices fell 3.2 percent in 2008 to the lowest since 1984 and average commercial land prices dropped 4.7 percent to a three-year low, the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism said today in a report. Overall property prices declined 3.5 percent, erasing two years of gains that followed a 15-year slump.
The decline in residential land values, which are about half of what they were at the height of Japan’s bubble economy in 1991, may continue as the recession deepens. The central bank forecasts the sharpest economic contraction in more than 60 years as an unprecedented decline in exports forces companies to cut production and fire workers.
Thanks for that post, as I was having trouble finding direct evidence on how low Japanese land prices had sunk over the past quarter century. Good thing this could never happen here, as this is America.
yes, already green shoots in America while Japan continues to struggle.
“Until late 2009? Ya mean 6 more months? Oy. All this does is encourage people to keep their homes off the market for another six months.”
That is on big problem with all these high-profile bottom callers’ predictions of when real estate will start going up: It encourages buyers for whom selling now might be optimal to ride a falling knife down for a longer period, and then to collectively dump supply, making sure the ride down continues for any sellers who opt to continue waiting.
Perhaps the objective is spreading out the pain as long as possible?
“Perhaps the objective is spreading out the pain as long as possible?”
How about the objective as being keeping money flowing into the banks for as long as possible?
Wouldn’t it be better to stop pouring money into financial black holes sooner than later?
The financial black holes demand to be fed, otherwise the financial world will screech to a halt.
“The financial black holes demand to be fed…”
Did you mean to write Fed?
+1
From both sides.
- Frontside revenues from FB’s holding on just a little longer…
- Backside bailouts from the Fed
It’s very much in the banks’ best interest to string this thing out as long as possible.
Absolutely. I’m always saying: try to have the amortization keep up with the depreciation. Although many/most FCs involve mortgages issued in very recent years, there are lots of borrowers out there whose mortgages have only 10 or 15 years left to run. These mortgages are now amortizing substantially with every six months that goes by.
Assuming no refinancing…
“It encourages buyers for whom selling now might be optimal to ride a falling knife down for a longer period, and then to collectively dump supply”
Mass psychology is an interesting thing. Members of the crowd come to the same realization at around the same time, independently of one another. Much as everybody decided that real estate always went up, at some point everybody is going to decide they need to get out. One decision like that will influence another, and soon there will be a flood of inventory on the market. It’s going to be slow to occur, but occur it shall.
Having been nuked by the flu since my flight back from Reno, Im a firm believer in biological warfare; much more debilitating to the survivors. Dont know what variety it was, but, if the Swine flu is as bad as was my variety, look out! Anyway, I’m blaming it on my proximity to a number of non English speaking passengers with whom I was in close proximity to, but, who really knows. More on the Reno/Sparks RE fiasco later.
Carlos:
Hope you feel better soon! The flu sucks.
The Reno/Sparks fiasco can be summed up in a single word: carnage.
Eadsfow asfioj @#$A asdf.
That means “you’re a racist a-hole” in the language of non-English-speaking-land.”
And with a sentence such as “I’m blaming it on my proximity to a number of non English speaking passengers with whom I was in close proximity to, but, who really knows” you, Sir/Madam can barely be called “English speaking” either.
Considering that the epidemic of swine flu on this continent appears to have been more widespread in Mexico, I don’t see why you attribute Carlos’s comments to “racism.”
We should call it what it is: Mexican flu.
My non English speaking neighbor asked me to explain what the attendant said when demonstrating the oxygen mask; her 10 year old son spoke little English also. He seemed to have a cold. I thought nothing about it until much later while trying to figure out who I’d been in contact with on my trip. Never saw anyone with a mask on at any airport, Cleveland, Chicago, LasV, Reno; like it or not, the epicenter of this pandemic is Northern Mexico and my aisle mates were heading back there. Just my take and, like I said , who knows.
Hey, I am living in a county bordering Mexico and can fully understand his concerns. You can blame that one on the media which told everybody how bad it was in Mexico City.
On my flight segment from Phoenix to Portland, a bunch of Spanish speaking people were waiting at the gate. I was concerned about getting the flu, I have to admit!
Actually I haven’t been watching the news much the last three weeks so I haven’t heard much about the Swine Flu.
Bloomberg
Obama’s Plan
Mortgage delinquencies increased to a seasonally adjusted 7.88 percent of all loans in the fourth quarter, the highest in records going back to 1972, the Mortgage Bankers Association in Washington said March 2. Loans in foreclosure rose to 3.3 percent, also a record and up from 2.04 percent a year earlier.
Obama’s $75 billion plan to reduce foreclosures by modifying mortgages targets as many as 4 million homeowners. Foreclosed properties helped drive down home prices in 20 U.S. cities by an average of 19 percent in January from a year earlier, the fastest decline on record, according to an S&P/Case-Shiller index.
The program, announced Feb. 18, is part of Obama’s efforts to shore up companies from General Motors Corp. to Citigroup Inc. and financial markets amid the first global recession since World War II. U.S. gross domestic product shrank 6.3 percent in the fourth quarter. Last month, the World Bank predicted the global economy would contract 1.7 percent this year.
The mortgage initiative offers subsidies to lenders, including bond investors, to help lower borrowers’ housing payments to 31 percent of their income. What troubles bondholders are the incentives for loan servicers, the industry middlemen who decide which loans will be reworked.
Servicer Fees
Servicers can get $1,000 for each modified loan under the plan, an additional $500 for every loan changed before borrowers fall more than two months behind and $1,000 annually for as many as three years of on-time payments.
At least six servicers have signed up to participate, including New York-based JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Wells Fargo & Co. in San Francisco. Government payments to those companies may total $9.9 billion, according Treasury data released April 15.
Guidelines on the Treasury’s Web site tell servicers they can rework a loan only after they verify through financial models that new terms for the homeowner would be better for investors than an immediate foreclosure.
Bondholders still fret that some homeowners who don’t need help will be allowed to rework loans and that calculations to measure the impact will be skewed against bondholders, said Sean Kirk, a trader at New York-based Seaport Group LLC.
‘Financial Incentive’
Part of the concern is that the four largest servicers, including Charlotte, North Carolina-based Bank of America Corp. and JPMorgan, own almost $450 billion in home-equity loans, many tied to the same properties as the mortgages they service, Amherst’s Goodman said.
“They have a large financial incentive through the program to modify, and they’ll also benefit from putting more losses onto the first-lien holders because of their large second-lien positions,” said John Huber, who oversees about $30 billion in Minneapolis as chief investment officer of fixed income at Royal Bank of Canada’s Voyageur unit.
“What’s probably most troubling from a bigger picture perspective is what this means for the sanctity of contract law that has historically differentiated the U.S. as the gold standard of markets,” he added.
‘Respect the Laws’
Responding to complaints that American International Group Inc. was excessive in awarding bonuses and paying off banks after accepting $182.5 billion in bailout funds, National Economic Council Director Lawrence Summers said March 15 on ABC’s “This Week” that “we are a nation of law, where there are contracts” and “the government cannot just abrogate contracts.”
“If we don’t respect the laws on which people reasonably relied, the potential chaos, disruption, lack of credit and resulting unemployment will be that much greater,” Summers said.
In Lawrence Summners mind the law was written by and for his friends at Megabank inc. All others trying to get protection under the law and justice are leeches.
Yeah — kind of brings to mind the notion that the Constitution’s protections only apply to Anglo-Saxon males.
All men are created equal, but Lawrence Summer’s masters at Megabank, Inc are created more equal than the rest of us.
Loren Steffy had a column this week that showed how the “banks” are making money from their mistakes and how new rules and regulations are helping to do so.
They created the problem, and now they are going to profit from it.
I for one, welcome our new overlords.
There was the post yesterday of the North County Times article of all the problems with a condo conversion in Escondido.
A coworker last night was telling me about some of the problems in the Casitas condo conversion in RB, off I-15 and Rancho Bernardo Road. I have a different coworker that bought a unit there a couple of years ago and the brother (and wife) of the coworker to whom I was talking last night also bought a unit there. Some of the “highlights”:
- The HOA is broke.
- The HOA is suing the builder that did the conversions.
- The pool has been closed.
- The deck overlooking the pool has been closed due to structural problems.
- The grass/landscaping is dying because the sprinkler system has been shut off.
- The gates allowing access to the parking areas aren’t working. Several vehicles have had break ins.
- Many units have had broken/leaking pipes with mold problems.
- The unit of my one coworker’s brother and wife has had four pipe breaks/leaks so far. They’ve pulled up carpet and pealed back drywall only to find mold because some of the pipes have been leaking for so long.
- Some of the neighbors leave a lot to be desired. Lower levels have patios, upper levels decks (wooden with space between slats). For my coworker’s brother, one set of upstairs neighbors had a big dog that they would let out on the deck to relieve itself. The p!ss would drip trough onto their patio as would some of the cr@p. Especially nice as they were trying to grow tomatoes and other veggies on their patio. The next set of neighbors was very loud, shouting and yelling things at other neighbors off the balcony late at night.
-Units that once sold for around $400K are now selling for around $150K in foreclosure.
What were once very decent apartments and should have remained so are now becoming a hellhole thanks to greedy developers. Given the financial condition of the HOA and the decaying condition of the property, are units in that complex effectively worth zero or less?
These places were built to be sold, not to be lived in.
Less than Zero. Unbelievable story. I am virtually shell-shocked.
“I am virtually shell-shocked.”
Not me. All of this was forseeable to anyone who cared to look.
More to come.
I hope not Combo. I hope not.
This will happen all over the country, ATE-UP. Even those buyers who are solvent won’t upkeep their properties if most people around them trash theirs.
Obama will become the nation’s Premier Slum Landlord, whether he intends to or not.
You’re probably right Eud. It was just the first hand account of it that bad that I have heard. Blew me away, it did.
Let’s see - the lending standard at the time was “if you can fog a mirror, we’ll give you a loan.”
Why would anyone expect FBs who took out NINJA loans to have simple a behavioral attribute such as GOOD MANNERS?????
oops, this should read “…have a simple…”
Given the precarious financial condition of many of the buyers and shoddiness of the conversions (little more than cosmetic upgrades for most), there’s going to be flood of similar problems for converted condos in San Diego in the new few years. I wonder how long it will take the U-T to finally run a story on these problems.
Long time renters were forced to move and the new buyers are left holding the bag. SD city government belatedly stiffened requirements for condo conversions after most of the damage had been done.
Not just San Diego.
Home repair is going to be a good business to be in for about 30 years.
Same with car repair for at least 10 years or so.
Packman, but who is going to pay for it?
Not underwater folks, not insurance companies, if buyer is underwater.
Cars yes…we all need a great fair priced car mechanic
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Home repair is going to be a good business to be in for about 30 years.
Packman, but who is going to pay for it?
Why wouldn’t underwater people pay for repairs? Unless they’re ready to walk, then not paying for repairs only puts them further underwater than they already are.
Some part of the $2 Trillion or so the Fed has already created will certainly go towards repairs. I suspect that a very large percentage of the $8,000 tax credit that FB’s are using to help buy foreclosures as we speak immediately goes towards repairs.
Sometimes we like to get all Mad Max on the HBB here. The reality is the economy isn’t actually shutting down - it’s reducing. There is still lots of money out there being spent, including on the things like repairs. Though the overall economic pie is shrinking - repair work will be a growing piece of the pie; by a lot.
The people barely able to make their mortgages are not going to have a lot of cash left over to pay for repairs.
In addition to my “stuff” business, I’m in the home repair biz. All I can say is, there’s work. It’s at least fairly steady right now, there does appear to be some demand. But you have to stay on top of it and catch folks when they’re in the mood. Some short sale repairs going on right now, too.
As far as the home repair business goes, at least in the PNW, the market is saturated with an excess supply of labor. Builders have turned from new construction to remodel/handyman jobs, and sometimes even “trash out” work on foreclosures. There was a lot of stolen future demand for contractors during the bubble. Time to look for a new line of work for many.
I do a fair amount of my home repairing. Yesterday, I shared the results of the Battle of the Toilet Tank. (I won! The tank no longer leaks! And the thing flushes, refills, then shuts off like all the nice toilets do.)
I wasn’t terribly adept at this stuff when I bought the Ranch five years ago. But let me tell ya, not wanting to spend money on hiring people is a great motivator for improving one’s handy-skills.
The people barely able to make their mortgages are not going to have a lot of cash left over to pay for repairs.
Link to American Radio Work’s Foreclosure City
Inside, a woman with a $400k mortgage can’t come up with $400 for a simple plumbing repair.
By SUSAN SAULNY
The New York Times
Sunday, May 24, 2009
CHICAGO — Saving money never cost quite so much.
When the toilet in Carol Taddei’s master bathroom began to break down a few months ago, she decided it would be cheaper to buy a new one than pay for repairs. Ever frugal in this dismal economy, Taddei, a retired paralegal, then took her economizing a step further, figuring she could save even more by installing the new toilet herself.
Initially, things looked good with the flushing and the swishing. That is, until the ceiling collapsed in the room below the new (leaky) toilet. Rushing to get supplies for a repair, Taddei clipped a pole in her garage. It ripped the bumper off her car, and later, several shelves that had been holding flower pots and garden tools collapsed over her head.
“It just kept getting worse,” Taddei said, ruefully describing what came out to be a $3,000, three-day renovation at her suburban Minneapolis home, finished by a professional from Mr. Handyman, a home repair service that takes emergency calls.
With the sour economy has come a class of ambitious do-it-yourselfers who are tackling things that, before the days of rampant penny-pinching, might have been left to paid professionals. An unlucky few like Taddei have learned that being thrifty sometimes comes at a high price and can bring along with it a new scourge of the times: saver’s remorse.
“Oh, tell me about it,” Taddei said. “Sometimes it’s better just to bite the bullet.”
Thanks, Combo, for the reality check. I noticed that some nice condos on the golf course that used to sell for $300,000 have come down. One repo was reduced to $139,000 this week, and I told me husband that we should think of offering $120,000 on it. From now on when I’m tempted to buy a condo I’ll think or your peepee on the balcony imagery.
SDGreg –
We live up the street from Villa Taviana (another RB condo conversion). I was reminded the bubble still has legs a couple of days ago when I saw the familiar sight at a nearby street corner of a sign twirler holding up a Villa Taviana sign advertising “Condos selling now.” They have been “selling now” for nearly two years already! They initially sold for upwards of $300K; now selling for around $160K. We’re talking 1br/1ba apartments with stone fittings added to the exterior walls…
These might be a deal at 69,900, but not at 160K…
That depends on how much the HOA dues are. Might be overpriced at $69k. Condos suck.
Which jogs my memory! Saw my first sign twirler advertising a “Going Out Of Business Sale” in Sparks. Host said he’d seen a number of them in the last few months. Whats next??
Wow. I do feel bad for your coworker. We visited friends yesterday WAY outside the DC beltway in Virginia and although it wasn’t as bad as what you’re describing they are def. prisoners to their HOA.
For example, you are not allowed to pull up or replant or do anything to the bushes that lines all the little identical townhomes. About a third of the bushes are dead. But the HOA won’t or can’t remove them, and if you do, you get fined!
Our friends were telling us about neighbors of theirs trying to sell with dead bushes lining their house. Our friends were saying fines have become more frequent while maintenance more scarce.
Well, this kind of thing happens when you decide to cede your individual rights and responsibilities. The fact that people are willing to PAY to cede either or both (to an HOA or anything else) is what’s so flabbergasting.
Yet another result of Centralized Planning.
I guess I need to remember what I already know: most people are shockingly stupid.
The fact that people are willing to PAY to cede either or both (to an HOA or anything else) is what’s so flabbergasting.
It’s like Camazotz!
I guess I need to remember what I already know: most people are shockingly stupid.
I prefer to not remember that. It makes me sad. I especially prefer to not remember that when I do something stupid myself.
“I do feel bad for your coworker.”
I don’t. He was warned about the bubble (already bursting when he bought at peak bubble pricing) and especially about the pitfalls of condo conversions. He’d just sold a house in Riverside County, so he would have been set if he’d just rented.
It isn’t the first less than astute financial decision he’s made. He took a $100K inheritance and ran it to near zero by day trading during the tech boom. I hear through coworkers that he’s back to day trading again. I don’t know if he’s making or losing money this time.
I do feel bad for the brother and wife of the other coworker. They aren’t in denial about what’s happening with the property, didn’t pay peak bubble pricing, and were in part lured into the property by the delusional coworker that bought there first.
I do hope that it doesn’t turn into a total slum. My workplace is close enough to there that I don’t want to have to worry about break ins to my car overnight from roaming gang bangers.
“What were once very decent apartments and should have remained so are now becoming a hellhole thanks to greedy developers.”
But isn’t it still for the better, since owner-occupied housing always trumps rental housing?
“What were once very decent apartments and should have remained so are now becoming a hellhole thanks to greedy developers”
It had nothing to do with people willing to pay 400k for a “decent” apartment? Call a plumber, shoot the dog and admit you made a mistake. I would be willing to bet they payed 400k because they thought they would sell it for 600k in a year or two. The nice thing about being an adult is you don`t have to sit in a dirty diaper. How about going to the lender and offering this deal. You loaned me 400k, it`s worth 150k and I want out. We BOTH made a mistake so I will sign a note for 125k and pay it back over 15 years and you will have to eat 125k for your mistake. I will consider it a student loan because I did get an education. No, I don`t hear this being offered by anyone because it`s the greedy developers fault or the greedy lenders fault and I am a victim with a dog pissing on my tomatoes! Take some personal responsibility and change that diaper, it stinks.
LOL, Jeff!
“You loaned me 400k, it`s worth 150k and I want out. We BOTH made a mistake so I will sign a note for 125k and pay it back over 15 years and you will have to eat 125k for your mistake. I will consider it a student loan because I did get an education.”
+1 Jeff. Grow some balls or ovaries. Man or woman up to the mistake.
Grow some balls or ovaries. Man or woman up to the mistake.
That there’s a sentiment worthy of a cross-stitched sampler for my kitchen wall. Mind if I borrow it?
(I mean, IIIII don’t make mistakes. It’d be for guests to read… )
“I would be willing to bet they payed 400k because they thought they would sell it for 600k in a year or two.”
He’d sold his house (with his ex-wife) in Murrieta just ahead of the big price declines. Even though he’d been warned about the bubble bursting (prices were already declining in SD) and condo conversions especially, he went and bought the converted condo at peak bubble prices with his new girlfriend because it was close to work. He wasn’t looking to flip in two years, but he’s also still in denial about the condition of the property. The real story I got from a different coworker whose brother and wife also live in that complex. There’s no way he’ll ever get out at anything close to what he paid.
“’What were once very decent apartments and should have remained so are now becoming a hellhole thanks to greedy developers.’”
But isn’t it still for the better, since owner-occupied housing always trumps rental housing?”
That comment, sent to numerous local and regional newspapers, will get you a bag of chips.
Excellent brief commentary, PB.
The nice thing about stupid UHS sayings, like “renting is throwing money away”, is that it keeps rents nice and low for anyone who is smart enough to see through the stupidity. I am happy to pay my landlords’ mortgage, provided they are happy to fulfill their contractual obligation to keep providing housing services of a value far in excess of what we pay on rent.
Yes.
I’ve been preaching evil HOA’s for a decade or more. Anyone, in my opinion, that buys into a HOA deserves what they will eventually get. Cities promoted HOA’s as a way to manage growth by shifting responsibilities for infrastructure onto homeowners rather than by way of their budgets. Many believed HOA’s could be self-sustaining, however the cost of maintaining roads, utilities, the massive areas of open space, detention ponds, bike paths, elaborate landscaping, you name it, the very reason most people buy into HOA subdivisions, is generally too much. I guess you could say living beyond their means. Not even mentioning the corruption and mismanagement of the very HOA associations. HOA’s will die a slow death, with local governments eventually having to pick up the tab.
My parents live in a half-finished HOA subdivision. The builder went broke. They quit watering and mowing the open spaces, and the playground equipment has been removed for liability purposes-they couldn’t afford the extra insurance. The HOA is broke, never to return.
Lots of HOA’s are functioning fine. The key is, they had to achieve that fine functioning a number of years ago. I’m not saying it can’t possibly all go to Hades in a handbasket, but a willing condo buyer should look for a well-established HOA.
well-established HOA ??
And small…My experience is that the smaller ones have much less trouble…
I live in a 120 unit SFR “condo” association and overall it has been very positive. Free standing homes are probabaly what makes this work. We aren’t gated and don’t have a common area pool/spa, which can be a money pit due to insurance and high maintenance costs. (A lot of HOAs don’t even use their gates anymore, they can’t afford the upkeep). Two of my neighbors are on the board, they are mellow and frugal minded, and since homeowners are responsible for both their interior and exterior, the HOA doesn’t get drawn into questionable (and expensive) homeowner maintenance issues. The HOA only takes care of front yard & common area landscaping, permiter concrete fencing, and the private streets. I’d never want to be in a shared walls/building condo HOA situation, since that just cries out “special assessment”.
HOAs are fairly weak here in Idaho. The courts generally side with the individual homeowners against the HOA. It’s really hard to get enforcement here even in eggregious cases.
But I live in a subdivision that has 400 homes and there’s only one vacant lot left over. The HOA takes care of contracting out the landscape and other maintenance chores. We only pay $250 a year (year, NOT monthly) dues which includes all the irrigation water you can use during the season. To my way of thinking that’s a bargain.
Something I don’t understand about HOAs: Why, if there is so much work to be done in those places, don’t they hire some residents to do it?
I mean, come on. Further up, there was a story about people being fined by the HOA for the crime of removing dead bushes. Crikeys, I removed an almost-dead bush from my front yard yesterday. Wasn’t that hard, and, heck, if I left some of the bush in the ground, I can always go back and yank it out later.
Now, let’s see if I can get my neighbors to the west to pay me for the cost of removing my bush. After all, they tried to get me to pay for their ‘lectric repairs a while back.
Some of them do hire the residents. All the mobile-home parks where I lend have HOA’s (these are not rental parks), and since the residents are seniors they have time on their hands. Many clerical and maintenance functions are performed by residents at a low wage.
$450,000 then, $150,000 now, then dog poop dripping onto patios below where people could no longer enjoy the outdoors.
That’s a fuster cluck.
On top of being a mortgage slave you get crap raining down on you.
The buyers who had upturned noses in regard to us unenlightened renters, had crap raining down their noses.
How’s that for revenge of the renters?
Makes one wonder why these developers are not in jail. Same for some real estate agents.
I am renewing my inactive license and have to take some online classes like NAR Code of Ethics - what a joke…
I keep on asking myself what is wrong with this country????
“Makes one wonder why these developers are not in jail. Same for some real estate agents.”
What about some lenders and some borrowers. Here is an idea, since it`s getting closed anyway how about Guantánamo Bay Realestate Camp.
From front page Sacramento Bee:
By the usual historical markers, the Sacramento-area real estate market is stabilizing, a model for recovery nationally.
But a particular wild card hangs over this fledgling recovery in Sacramento, making it anything but certain or predictable. More than 20,000 troubled homes are growing into a massive “phantom” inventory that could potentially be unloaded onto an already fragile housing market.
According to distressed property tracker ForeclosureRadar.com, most of the 4,449 homes foreclosed the past four months in El Dorado, Placer, Sacramento, Sutter, Yolo and Yuba counties are not yet listed for sale. And now the Contra Costa County firm says an additional 17,792 homes in the six-county area – all in some stage of the foreclosure process – represent a potential new supply of bank repos for roughly the next six months.
• As of mid-May about 12,000 of these capital region properties had received notices of default, the first foreclosure warnings issued after several missed payments.
• About 5,800 are within a month of auctions on courthouse steps, a move that can be postponed. Most are likely to attract no bids at the courthouse, then revert back to lenders who typically list them in the real estate market as repos.
As the 2009 summer sales season begins with repos accounting for two-thirds of sales in Sacramento County, no one is certain whether nearly 18,000 new troubled homes will actually come onto the market. The numbers could be blunted by more-aggressive loan modifications or short sales in which lenders accept less than owed to avoid the higher costs of foreclosing. California also is launching a new 90-day foreclosure moratorium in June for lenders that don’t work hard enough to help borrowers stay in their homes.
But if thousands of these properties do become repos the question is: Will they be released in a big wave that destabilizes supply and demand or a trickle that helps sustain it?
By the usual historical markers, the Sacramento-area real estate market is stabilizing, a model for recovery nationally……
This seems to be a broad sweeping statement with no data to support it. Is there any historial marker or precedent for what’s happening today?
I’ve lived in Sacramento for 22 years now. Graduated from the local state college during the last RE crash. Immediate 20-25% drop in prices around 1989-90. Declining values at 1-2% a year from 1990-1996. 6-7 year recovery and we had lending standards back then!
By no means is Sacramento a model of recovery for the nation or a “model” anything for that matter. We have all the same problems as every other bubble region.
” The p!ss would drip trough onto their patio as would some of the cr@p. Especially nice as they were trying to grow tomatoes and other veggies on their patio.”
Think of it as free organic fertilizer!
That condo complex sounds like my old apartment. I bought a house, but I’ll never buy anyplace with an HOA ever again and have been advising people against it.
Who needs a nuke when we have a housing bomb?
From yesterday,
Now Financial Stress seems to be affecting “housing” at the ironbar hotel
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090524/ap_on_re_us/us_meltdown_no_bond_required
(Bail bondsmen complaining about the Increasing practice of releasing prisoners ‘without bond’)
Supporters of such pretrial programs, which are being tried from Atlanta’s Fulton County to Spokane, Wash., argue that the usual practice of requiring bond for release doesn’t prevent crime.
“It simply separates those who have money from those who don’t,” said Tim Murray, executive director of the Washington-based nonprofit Pretrial Justice Institute. “They’re looking at their (jail) population and realizing that many of the people they’re paying to house are there because they can’t pay their bonds,” Murray said.
(In Fulton County, Ga.,) “We, like every jurisdiction in the country, are operating under financial stresses that require us to be innovative,” said county spokesman Don Plummer, who said Fulton expects to save $5.5 million a year by expanding its program.
Florida’s St. Lucie County adopted its program in 2007. Nonviolent offenders who can’t afford bail “take up bed space for violent people who need to be in there,” said Mark Godwin, the county’s criminal justice coordinator.
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and finally:
Maj. Bill Nelson, the Larimer jail’s warden, said it’s all counterintuitive to everything his 30-year career taught him. But he’s pleased with the results. “We used to try to put as many people in jail as we could,” Nelson said.
“Nonviolent offenders who can’t afford bail “take up bed space for violent people who need to be in there,” said Mark Godwin, the county’s criminal justice coordinator.”
Maybe next we could decriminalize things such as prostitution and minor drug offenses.
From Jim Webb, the Virginia senator, in Parade Magazine a couple of months back:
“With so many of our citizens in prison compared with the rest of the world, there are only two possibilities: Either we are home to the most evil people on earth or we are doing something different–and vastly counterproductive. Obviously, the answer is the latter.”
Nice post and spot on….Sell the fear, Criminalize as many things as you can and you create a union based government ponzi game…
Why doesn’t the invisible hand of the free market work for prisoners in jail? I am sure the Turks or Haitians could house all those prisoners for a lot less money.
That’s probably the most intelligent thing I have heard in awhile.
Agree.
When a politician uses a word such as “obviously” or “clearly,” you can bet your life the problem or solution about which he/she is talking is not obvious or clear at all. Our prisons are packed primarily as a result of laws designed to limit the discretion my friends on the left claim was used always to “advantage” the already advantaged, and further to oppress the oppressed. OK. Fine. We amended the laws so that, whether you’re advantaged or oppressed, nobody gets a break. Now that those the left considers oppressed are still packing the prisons, everybody wants to go back to the bad old days when we “let judges judge.” OK. Fine. Let’s go back to those days. And when those the perfessors consider oppressed are still packing the prisons, then what? I dunno. Maybe laws reserving prison for only those the perfessors consider “advantaged”? Yeah. I’m sure some academic could come up with a law review article completely justifying such a solution to the problem of prison overcrowding.
Very soon, everything that is not mandatory will be forbidden, and everything that is not forbidden will be mandatory.
A lot of people are rewarded for putting people in prison ( police, judges, politicians, prison guards, etc.).
Not to mention the positive incentive to impose fines on those whose offenses don’t qualify for prison time.
Amen az…
Calif. prisons: packed because of illegals.
“Do It today…because Tomorrow, IT, will be Against the Law”
Grunt Sgt.–Nam
(while muttering and wandering around the jungle… lost as usual)
I think you make a good point, and I stand corrected!
Even though I know there are loopholes in silly laws and you can practice your harmless lifestyle peacefully in, say, Canada (on weekend trips) which would be a misdemeanor or felony in most of the states, it is a fact that America is a police state, with the largest percentage of incarcerated people than in most nations.
I’m with you on your position of decriminalizing victimless crimes.
I hope that people had enough of government in the last 18 months at all levels and will remember on election day to take the world’s smallest political quiz and vote for the most freedom: http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html
I call myself a liberal, even though my answers on the quiz score me as a libertarian.
Bill…I will give it a try a little later today…Gotta go…
China has fewer people in prison because they execute most of them.
The “fear” was created to provide growth for corporate prisons. Unfortunately, this caused prison population growth for regular government prisons as well, who were not in the business for profit.
Research the growth of private prisons over the last 20 years.
Some people are waking up, including some who used to think the police, grand juries, and state law makers can do no wrong (I call those the social conservatives).
I think my friend from the marines (who calls me a Godless commie) is himself starting to realize the ever encroaching police state going on in many of the states in the U.S.
Some guy this morning at the gym told me that just the other day police in Long Beach shot and killed a kid who was playing cops and robbers with other kids. I can kind of understand the Rodney King riots, although accounts say that Rodney King was on PCP.
It is well past time for governments at all levels to back off. If not, the Rodney King riots of the 1990s will look like tea parties and we will see Kent State types of shootings of citizen protesters by police all over the U.S. It could take one long heat wave to set tempers off on both sides.
MYRTLE BEACH — The five Grand Strand golf courses operated by Legends Group are being foreclosed on by General Electric Capital Corp.
The lending company has filed foreclosure papers on the courses in Georgetown and Horry counties and Brunswick County, N.C. The courses will remain open and may be taken over by another management company.
“They’ve filed foreclosure and we’re not contesting it,” said Legends Group founder and partner Larry Young. “We can’t make the payment. Our spring [rounds are] down 25 percent. Our debt is right at $50 million. No course would be able to survive being down 25 percent, unless they were debt-free.”
Young’s family-owned Legends Group developed and has been operating Heritage Club in Pawleys Island and the Parkland, Moorland and Heathland courses at Legends Resort in Myrtle Beach since the four layouts were built between 1986 and 1992.
The company has been leasing the 26-year-old Oyster Bay Golf Links in Sunset Beach, N.C., for several years. It is owned by Brunswick County businessman Ed Gore, who is also a partner in Sea Trail Resort. GE is foreclosing on the lease.
Legends employees received a letter in their paychecks May 19 stating the Youngs may no longer be running the courses, though they were expected to keep operating Ailsa Pub at Legends Resort and Legends Resort rentals.
Young said GE intends to hire Century Golf Partners, which owns Arnold Palmer Golf Management and operates clubs throughout the United States. He expects Legends Group to continue managing the properties at least until a hearing Wednesday, when the court is expected to appoint a receiver.
“They want to put another management company in there,” Young said. “GE is the lender so it’s their decision. I didn’t want it to be a surprise to our employees. They’ve been hearing rumors and I’d rather tell them myself.”
Young said rounds at his properties were off 34 percent in November compared to 2007, and that contributed to a missed debt payment in January. Legends Group has been in default since, and GE claims in court documents it is owed more than $51 million - the remainder of a Legends Group loan with Bank of America that GE acquired in the summer of 2006.
Young had been negotiating a possible merger/partnership with Myrtle Beach National Co., which owns nine and manages 10 Strand courses. “The bank is making decisions on how they’re going to proceed going forward, and at this time we don’t know anything,” said Myrtle Beach National vice president of golf operations and marketing Jim Woodring.
Legends Group has been managing the TPC of Myrtle Beach since 2006, when it was bought by co-owners Chip Smith and Danny Young, who is Larry Young’s son and a partner in Legends Group. But the TPC is not affected by the foreclosure, according to Smith and Larry Young.
“Danny and I have been running our day-to-day operations for quite a while, even though we have benefited from the Legends,” Smith said.
The foreclosure continues a series of financial setbacks for Young and his companies in the past couple of years.
Young’s sale to Lee Rawcliffe of four properties in the Sands resort properties chain in January 2008, through Sands Resorts Holding LLC, left what Young estimated was $2.6 million in debt to area courses for unpaid rounds booked through packages.
His courses took a hit in that deal. Young claims $750,000 of the $2.6 million was owed to his five courses and even more was owed to the four-course Barefoot Resort.
Legends Group was the managing partner of Barefoot for six years from the summer of 2002 into 2008, but sold its 50 percent share back to Barefoot developer Sammy Puglia in a deal that encompassed the Sands debt.
Young also settled a $3.8 million lawsuit judgment early last year with Charleston-based Golf Trust of America with an offer of 118 acres in near McClellanville and $500,000 over five years. He was a former board member of Golf Trust.
The five Grand Strand golf courses operated by Legends Group are being foreclosed on by General Electric Capital Corp.
General Electric IS a financial company that makes some stuff on the side for fun. Their long journey down is still ongoing…
Just as GM was a financial company that make cars for fun.
I don’t count GE out at all. They’re making money hand over fist with their “defense” contracting. Their more profitable divisions subsidize their less profitable divisions. I mean, just take a look at their broadcast division. The whole crew of the Today show is still slapping and tickling in the morning (yes, look at us, aren’t WE special) and their new division still carries the corporate party line (don’t kid yourself, Brian Williams, you’re no journalist, just a corporate mouthpiece and you know it. How’s that music biz venture workin’ out for ya?). So while it might not be making money, it’s a good outlet for various GE enterprise commercials and for corporate propaganda.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t GE make jet engines?
Outsourced to Indonesia.
Next year, latest.
We manufacture debt.
Not sure if this has been discussed on here or not, but I was looking some more into QSPE’s (Qualified Special Purpose Entities), and their impact on the bubble and the subsequent troubles. I was wondering about other folks’ thoughts. Seems to me this is something that’s not highlighted nearly as much as it should be. Will posts links as a follow-up.
In general QSPE’s were a way for the banks to hide a pretty good chunk of their securitized(sp?) debt, such that:
A. Accounting details of these securities were very hidden and/or simply not known.
B. These securities weren’t subject to capital requirements.
These weren’t small amounts of money - we’re looking some trillions of $ (e.g. $800 at Citi alone).
There have been various changes proposed, but the gist of them is that now these SPE’s are going to be in essence gone, or in effective - apparently now at the end of this year. Seems like this is a big deal, and could really cause another big hit in the markets. Much of the discussion though is really CPA-ish and above my head.
Thoughts?
Some links (more to come):
Description of SPE’s in CPA journal.
Rule change - gives figures of “consolidation” at Citi of $166B, JPM of $145B.
WaPo article before the vote - mentions Citi holding more than $800B in QSPE as of last June.
Original vote last year that was supposed to take effect at the beggining of 2009, but was apparently later delayed.
more discussion of last year’s delay and renewed push
Packman, I completely agree with you. I have no idea why this hasn’t gotten more attention. After Enron, rules on SPVs were tightened for most companies, and their SPVs were called VIEs. But somehow banks basically got to still use the old rules with these QSPEs, What a scam. And no one is calling them out on it. There was some talk about amending 140, but that died when people realized that banks were already insolvent and keeping stuff off the balance sheet would help prevent the average joe (and most fancy-schmancy financial analyst types) from figuring it out. The idea of QSPEs is that supposedly these securities are put into a trust where the banks can’t exercise control over them. That’s one of the biggest reasons they were so afraid to modify them before the SEC came out with “clarification” that modifications per HOPE would not be considered exercising control. This was not a clarification, it was a suspension of the rule. And now that 140 can’t be changed because it would be the final blow to our banking system, we are stuck with QSPEs for a while. By the time it becomes feasible to change the rules people will probably have forgotten why we should.
Looks like Vegas is seeing good times again?
Casinos serve up bargains to draw visitors back
At O’Sheas Casino, the president of five Harrah’s Entertainment Inc. hotel-casinos on the Las Vegas Strip is poking fun at the economic downturn and the excesses that built Sin City’s anything-goes reputation.
Don Marrandino points at a sign pushing $45 bottles of Jack Daniels whiskey or Smirnoff vodka, and says the promotion parodies the not-too-distant past when the gambling resorts marked up liquor by hundreds of dollars a bottle and patrons couldn’t empty them fast enough.
And then it all changed.
“I don’t get scared too often,” said Marrandino, who oversees the Imperial Palace, Flamingo Las Vegas, Harrah’s Las Vegas and Bill’s Gamblin’ Hall & Saloon. “In January, I was scared.”
Across Las Vegas, casinos found consumers unwilling to pay premium prices for just about anything, from meals to hotel rooms, drinks and entertainment. Occupancy citywide dropped to about 72 percent in January, far below the 90 percent-plus normally enjoyed by Las Vegas hotels.
But as hotel-casinos from one end of the Las Vegas Strip to the other lowered rates, visitors have returned to cash in. By March, occupancy rose to 85.9 percent — and 92.5 percent on weekends.
Visitors are more conservative with their cash, but they’re demanding the same experiences and quality they always have, said David McIntyre, vice president of food and beverage for MGM Grand.
“It reflects their state of mind as they’re constantly being fed a diet of economic information that is less than glowing,” McIntyre said. “They’ll definitely continue to be conservative as long as that diet exists.”
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Casinos-serve-up-bargains-to-apf-15338202.html?.v=2
The Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa in Atlantic City, for example, offered a one-week-only special for the first time this month that combined a room with a 50-minute spa treatment for $210 per night.
That ain’t no bargin!!!!
gambling resorts marked up liquor by hundreds of dollars ??
When we were in Vegas when the American Visionaries was taped, I visited the Wynn with my wife…It was the first time I had been in Vegas in maybe 15 years or more…I just don’t do much of this “high rent” stuff…Give me a cooler full of beer and park me near the beach or the redwoods with the wife and the dogs and I am a happy camper…
Anywho, at the bar in the Wynn I ordered a Grey Goose on the rocks for the Misses and a Coor’s Lite for me…I threw a twenty dollar bill on the deck with no thought what so ever on whether or not it would cover…Bartender says; “That will be $20.50 please”…Scrambling around for the extra money plus a $3.00 tip…Kinda Embarrassing…
Give me a cooler full of beer and park me near the beach or the redwoods with the wife and the dogs and I am a happy camper…
Same here! Especially with your wife. She’s hot.
(HAHAHAHAH!
Now, don’t be angry, Dave. It had to be said, you know that. So it may as well be me that said it. That sort of chance couldn’t be wasted, right? )
Funny Oly…:)
Dazed and Confused. (LZ 1)’
Though, truly, it is apparent to me as the song says, “The soul of a woman is created below”.
The Vegas casino operators based their business model on high room rates, high occupancy, high food & beverage prices and plenty of gambling.
Low room rates have killed their profitabilty, no matter what “feel good” propaganda you may see in the press. My executive friends in the business say business in Vegas is “stabilizing” - not one is saying business is “good”…
I agree wholeheartedly, Bob in Vegas- As a two/three times a year Vegas visitor from N. California (usually mid priced strip properties), I think that Vegas is in a world of hurt. As a destination for the masses, it has become played out. For me, I will continue to go…but for so many of my friends and work associates, the Vegas glow has dimmed. I think that looking back, Las Vegas will be seen as a “2000’s” kind of thing.
Vegas is bringing back its “What happens here stays here” image. They tried the “Vegas is for the whole family” bit, but the Sin City image seems to be more profitable.
Party on.
I don’t gamble - I have an MA in math and know probablity theory all too well - but thought that Vegas used to give free food and drinks to keep people gambling at the tables. Are they now charging premium prices for food and drink?
When I would ski at Tahoe we’d always head for the casino buffets for cheap and good food. This however was in the early 1980s.
Even a decent dinner buffet at a Strip joint costs 30 bucks plus tax. That ain’t a bargain…
“That will be $20.50 please”…Scrambling around for the extra money plus a $3.00 tip…Kinda Embarrassing…
You could have put that 20 in a machine (assuming the bar had machines in it) and got your drinks comped. Then you’d just have to work to get your 20 back. I’ve done it lots…
A co-worker of mine is planning her 2nd trip to Vegas due to Mandalay Bay giving her another 3 nights free + 3 meals.
I’m always conservative with my cash. That’s why I don’t gamble. Matter of fact, I’m probably the only person who’s been to Vegas and walked right by the slot machines. And that was in a casino.
In Nevada whenever you see a cash register you’ll see a slot machine close by.
Change from a purchase in never meant to leave the store/gas station/casino … whatever.
I hope you all have a happy Memorial Day! Well, ‘happy’ is not the word. I hope you all have a Good Memorial Day.
My grampy flew a bomber in WWII and was once stationed at the naval base up the way on Whidbey Island. Small world, huh! Which is where he learned that oysters are delicious. So for the rest of his life back in Utarr he would not talk about the war ever but he would often express his yearning for oysters and when he got some he’d gobble them up with joy. So, in his honor, I’m gonna scamper down the road to the beach and grab a whole bunch and shuck them and eat them up while I make airplane noises and drink beer*.
*(Just like I do every weekend, only this time it’s in respectful honor of grampa).
We’re going to have a -4 tide today! That’ll be the farthest out I’ve ever seen it. Maybe I can reach that red seaweed the Japanese neighbor revealed to my attention as delicious, and maybe dig out another wild geoduck. I dug out and ate my first one yesterday. I really have to say, those things are very comical in appearance. Who designed them?!
http://tinyurl.com/qmb96q
I steamed it for 30 seconds, slipped off the skin, and then sliced it up with my favorite knife and ate it with rice and a bit of ginger and slivered radish. I figured simple is best, to get started. It tasted a bit like a meaty cucumber that quivered every now and then, which is better than it sounds.
And now I must drink coffee. I just wanted to wish you all a good day first.
Do you find it hard to out-dig a geoduck? I heard these things can really dig down fast.
Someone told me that, too, but nope. I selected the nicest, biggest, longest …siphon….which was sticking out of the mud in a comical fashion and pounced upon it with my little shovel and just dug like the wind, chanting ‘Eat! Eat! Eat!’ (that’s my power-chant, by the way), and I had it out pretty quick. They squirt water when you grab em, and twice it jetted me splashily in the face with copious amounts of salt-water but it didn’t deter me. It just made me hungrier.
Oh, I forgot to say, I weighed it and it was 1.5 pounds, which is about the harvest size. This is after it squirted at least a cup of water on me and later, all around the kitchen.
It seemed plenty big enough to me. But I read they can live 150+ years and reach 14 pounds! Can you imagine!? That’d be a decent fight, there!
That gives me a good idea. Since it’s to be a minus 4 tide today I could put on tights, a spangled mask and cape and march out there with a video camera to the outer edge of the beach which never gets seen or harvested and find me a giant geoduck to wrassle. Maybe I’d even win!
I been workin’ out, you know…
*flexes puny pink biceps *
The best thing, though, is I betcha such a video would achieve great popularity in Japan, where I hear they enjoy things like that. Then I’d be rich, and also incredibly cool!
The geoduck (pronounced /ˈɡuː.iːdʌk/ “gooey duck”[1]), Panopea abrupta, is a species of very large saltwater clam, a marine bivalve mollusk in the family Hiatellidae.
The shell of this clam is large, about 15 to over 20 cm in length (about 7 to 9 inches), but the extremely long siphons make the clam itself very much longer than this: the “neck” or siphons alone can be one meter in length
Hey I thought digging up those geoducks was illegal?
I was digging those babies up in the late 70s with my ex-husband.
Hey I thought digging up those geoducks was illegal?
Maybe for you. Not for me, ’cause I’m special and everything. More importantly, I have a trowel.
Hahaha!
Actually, you can dig ‘em up. But not for commercial sale and stuff. A whole giant bunch of rules, which I will post here, once I’m done eating the new geoduck I dug up today, okay? Okay.
Seriously, what the hell is a geo-duck?
Behold, my good sir. Behold, and then giggle loudly…
You say it: ‘gooey-duck’.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoduck
http://tinyurl.com/qmb96q
I want a geo-duck!!
I want a geo-duck!!
Well then, go find your spangled tights and your very prettiest mask and head on over. I have an extra cape or two you could borrow if you can’t find yours right at the moment.
Except for MY wardrobe, (I’ll do cut offs) dont’ ask me twice!!
dont’=don’t
Come on, man! Capes is where it’s AT!
(Ooops, gotta repost it, I used a link, not a little url thingie. I can’t wait for the first post to come through, because every single minute that ATE exists in a state where he don’t know what a geoduck looks like? Well, that’s a wasted minute! )
Behold, ATE. Behold, and giggle loudly…
http://tinyurl.com/3bwfp2
OLY, I beat you to it, but it is the thought that counts. Thank you.
Three times is mandatory (for me) re reading OLY’s posts.
What?! 3 times?!
Look, what could POSSIBLY be easier to conceptualize than the thought of a situation with a caped, masked maiden in spangled tights scampering around on a Pacific Northwest beach shouting and struggling while locked in mighty battle with a giant clam that looks like a p**nis?
Huh huh?
I mean, what else do you think about?
Thanks for that imagery.
:)
l..”a caped, masked maiden in spangled tights scampering around on a Pacific Northwest beach shouting and struggling while locked in mighty battle with a giant clam that looks like a p**nis.”
That should really bring in the tourists or the boyz in the little white coats.
lol
Not much, OLY…Not much…
And THIS is a family blog? oh yeah!
“while locked in mighty battle”
ah yes, please define “winning”.
“and struggling while locked in mighty battle with a giant clam that looks like a p**nis?”
Which then squirts liquid at her and then she strips it, cuts it up and eats it?
Wow.
Well Poll, what can you say? It’s OLY GAL!!!!!!!!!
Well Poll, what can you say? It’s OLY GAL!!!!!!!!!
Yeah! And I’m wearing spangled tights!
Well, actually I’m not, if you must be literal and all. My pale little legs are rather sunburned, if you must know.
But in my head I am wearing spangled tights.
And in my fridge are two (2) new geoducks and a pot of seaweed I’m going to eat tonight, and that’s good enough, I say.
OlyGal — Have you ever thought of writing for a living? We know someone who did pretty well for herself in the genre…
The SDLookup dot com web site provides a useful format in which to quickly view San Diego MLS data. This should not be viewed as a complete listing of what is on the market, as there are other listings that show foreclosures currently for sale (e.g. ForeclosureTown dot com), but it is nice to be able to get a quick snapshot of homes on the MLS, provided you realize the resulting picture is incomplete.
For instance, in our zip code (Rancho Bernardo West — 92127) I see 159 single family homes built in 2000 or later on the market, with a median list price of $1,275,000. If you refer to my post from yesterday’s bits bucket on San Diego zip codes which had a median sale price above $1m in either April 2008 or April 2009, you will notice that 92127 is not one of them. How the sellers of these homes will all find buyers willing to pay anywhere near their wishing prices remains to be seen.
I posted previously about a friend who was in the market to buy a house. A couple of things have happened since that post, I think his situation is a good example of why we likely have considerably further to fall.
When my friend started looking at the house the listing history was as follows:
$630k
$607K
$599K
This is in a nice town in North Jersey and these prices are not unheard of in the neighborhood he is looking in, but for the house in question it seemed way to high. My friend expresses interest in the house to the agent and is basically told that all offers will be at least countered. The price on the house is then lowered to $569. My friend bids $410k, and despite the promise of a counter none is made. Two weeks later he gets a call from the agent, the price of the house has been lowered again to $549k. He decides to bid his max for the house which is $450k, a counter offer does come back this time of $540k. My friend decides to extend his lease for another year and continue renting.
This house is vacant and has been for about 6 months. My guess is that the seller will have to come down at least another $75k to make a sale. These kinds of situations are playing out slowly all over the country, there are still countless listings priced at levels well above what the market will bear. Eventually we will come back to a level that incomes will support, but it seems that day is still a ways off.
We just went through a very similar situation. Two houses in Pullman WA next door to each other with identical floor plans. Both originally built in 2003 for $232k. House 1 goes on the market Jan of 2008 at $425k, vacated by owners in March, then by late summer dropped to $360k where it sat through the winter. House 2 goes on the market in March of 2009 at $340k (undercutting his neighbor), then drops to $329k in early May. House 1 responds by dropping to $327k.
Third house, slightly bigger two doors down is currently rented out for slightly under $1500/mo. So we put in an offer at $253k, justified by equivalent rent/price ratios bumped up equal original purchase price + transaction costs ($232k x 109%). Realtor and owners in a big huff about such a low-ball offer. The problem is that the house across the street from these homes, perhaps not quite as nice, sold for over $400k at the peak. It will take a long time for everyone to realize that the $400k price was the anomaly and $232k is “normal.”
From seeing what my friend went through and hearing other anecdotes like yours, it seems like the lowball offers, even if they are reasonable as far as the market value don’t generally result in a sale. The person who has priced there house so far over what the market will bear is not yet ready to accept the loss he will have to take to sell. I’m sure others have stories of lowball offers leading to a sale, but in general it doesn’t seem to work out that way. The sellers generally seem to incrementally lower their price until they finally get into a range that will facilitate a sale without the offer having to be significantly below the listing price.
That is what we’ve decided. It just isn’t worth the effort at this point, so we have decided to rent for at least another year, perhaps two, then take a look at the “for sale” market.
“Banana Republic” gets any honorary mention!:
05-24) 04:00 PDT Washington (SF Gate)-
This year, the government is borrowing 50 cents of every dollar it spends. If that were just a blip caused by a historic financial crisis that necessitated a $787 billion fiscal stimulus and a $700 billion bank rescue in the space of about three months, there would be little cause for concern. But it is not a blip. It is a relentless curve of red ink that will, within the decade, take U.S. debt levels to the record reached at the end of World War II, from 40 percent of the nation’s output now to 80 percent, and then rapidly thereafter into the realm of banana republics.
“We are accumulating a massive debt. We owe about half of that debt to foreigners, including the Chinese and others whose foreign policy is not always well aligned with ours,” said Isabel Sawhill, a former Clinton administration budget official who now co-directs the Center on Children and Families at the Brookings Institution. “So we are really losing control of our economic destiny and possibly losing control of our foreign policy as well.”
Japan has lost its AAA credit rating, the United Kingdom may soon follow, and there is talk that the United States is headed fast down the same path.
The markets fired a warning shot last week when the Treasury Department announced a huge sale of new debt - $162 billion - as part of its financing of the government’s $1.8 trillion deficit this year. That’s as much as the entire government spent just eight years ago. Within hours, interest rates on U.S. Treasuries shot up.
In recent weeks, the prices of credit default swaps on U.S. government debt - a measure of the risk that the government could do the unthinkable and default - have risen to record levels.
Ambitious plans
The market reactions highlight a growing disconnect between the Obama administration’s ambitious spending plans, including a $1.5 trillion overhaul of the nation’s health care system, and the money available to do it.
As if to underline the point, the Social Security and Medicare trustees, who include three Obama Cabinet officials, issued their report saying the finances of the two bedrock social programs are dire.
“We are heading toward very high debt-to-GDP ratios very soon,” said UC Berkeley economist Alan Auerbach. He said the rise in perceived risk of the federal government going bankrupt is sobering.
As it is, the United States does not even meet the standards for admission to the European Union, because its deficit and debt levels are too high, said Sen. Judd Gregg, the top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee. The federal government faces either enormous tax increases or inflation (regressive taxation in another form), to remedy the problem, he said.
“That means people, instead of having money to buy a home, have to send it to the government to pay the interest on the debt,” Gregg, R-N.H., said in an interview. “There are no ways around this. This is not academic. It’s not theoretical. It’s real. The numbers are there.”
‘“So we are really losing control of our economic destiny and possibly losing control of our foreign policy as well.”
Japan has lost its AAA credit rating, the United Kingdom may soon follow, and there is talk that the United States is headed fast down the same path.’
The hard evidence is really starting to severely test BB’s printing press theory.
+1 on the article in general.
-1 on this part:
We owe about half of that debt to foreigners
Nope.
Foreign holdings of U.S. treasury debt (as of March): $3.3 Trillion
Total U.S. treasury debt (as of March): $11 Trillion
That’d be a fair amount less than 1/3, not half.
Add domestic debt to that. There’s approx $7 trillion of mortgage backed securities out there somewhere…
And we all know that those ratings agencies did a wonderful job last year pointing out the problems in the financial services industry.
Memo to self, make out a small check to the Committee to Re-elect Judd Gregg.
Memo to self, make out a small check to the Committee to Re-elect Judd Gregg.
Any relation to Judge Dredd?
That’s funny, I initially read that as Judge Dredd
While our economic leaders assure us that green shoots are sprouting up all over the place, the world’s second largest economy has just posted its worst GDP decline since WWII. Luckily it is different here in America.
From The Times
May 21, 2009
Plunge in Japan’s GDP takes it close to depression and raises prospect of deflation returning
Shoppers check discounted clothes in Tokyo as it was revealed that Japan’s economy has shrunk at a record rate
Leo Lewis, Asia Business Correspondent
Japan may be the first leading economy to fall officially from recession into depression, with GDP shrinking at an annual rate of almost 10 per cent as its export-focused business model is tested to the limit.
The latest figures, for the period from January to March, showed the worst decline in Japan’s economy, the world’s second-largest, since 1947 and sparked a fierce debate among analysts over whether the country is now due for a sharp recovery or a long phase of anaemic performance.
Does this news raise the prospect of the Yen carry trade returning?
Considering Japan’s demographics, I’d say the latter.
Speaking of San Diego, anyone see this — 81 condos bought with rented identities last year, after the bust was in full swing?
http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/articles/2009/04/11/sommerset/sommerset-one1041009.txt
“Over the course of several months last year, McConville picked up at least 81 condo conversions from distressed developers and orchestrated their sale to more than 20 buyers who’d rented him their identities, according to a review of hundreds of public and private records and interviews with lenders, developers, former McConville employees, and six of the more than 20 buyers.”
“By arranging purchase prices well above market value, McConville was able to pay off the developers and capture what the developers’ records state as more than $12.5 million. Now, 74 of the 81 homes involved in the deals in Sommerset Villas and Sommerset Woods in Escondido and Westlake Ranch in San Marcos are in the first stage of foreclosure.”
“One lender said the fallout has already forced him to shut the doors of his mortgage business after 17 years. That lender and another say they were tricked by McConville and the buyers into making these loans and they now face losses of millions of dollars. And because the federal government has assumed greater responsibility for the mortgage finance industry, the American taxpayer is likely on the hook for the toxic debt.”
Isn’t this fraud?
I hope that is a sarcastic remark!
McCONville ?
Green shoots are very hard to spot in the UK, perhaps due to their rainy climate.
I note that the British press corps seems far less inclined to paint lipstick on pigs than do US economics correspondents. Do you think our press corps is intimidated by the Fed’s econogandists into painting a rosy picture?
From Times Online
May 22, 2009
Household spend falls at fastest rate since 1980
Grainne Gilmore, Economics Correspondent
Spending by British households fell at the fastest rate since 1980 in the first three months of the year, official figures showed today.
Data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS), which confirmed that Britain’s economy shrank by 1.9 per cent in the first quarter, revealed widespread weakness across all sectors of the economy, raising fears that the economic recovery could take much longer to take root than had been anticipated.
Household spending plummeted by 1.2 per cent - the biggest fall since the final quarter of 1980 - and follows a sizeable drop of 1 per cent in the final quarter of last year. GDP was also dragged down by stocks, which dropped by the biggest margin on record, highlighting the depth of the economic slowdown and uncertainties about the economic outlook.
Jonathan Loynes, chief European economist at Capital Economics, said the figures gave a “pretty grim picture of weakness right across the economy in the early months of this year”.
The decline in factory output also gathered pace, with manufacturing output dropping by 5.5 per cent, after a 4.9 per cent fall in the previous quarter. The drop in output by business services and finance sectors, including banks and accountancy firms, more than quadrupled as the sector shrank by 2.2 per cent, compared with a 0.5 per cent fall in the final quarter of last year.
The 1.9 per cent fall in GDP between January and March comes after a 1.6 per cent decline in the final three months of last year. GDP is now 4.1 per cent lower than the first quarter of last year.
Mr Loynes added: “Recent surveys have pointed to a much smaller contraction in GDP in the second quarter. But with key components like household spending and investment set to fall considerably further in response to the weakness of the housing market, the labour market and bank lending, we remain unconvinced that recent “green shoots” will translate into a return to decent growth next year.”
I hope y’all will forgive me. I just need to harp on an old pet peeve of mine.
The shuttle came down at Edwards AFB yesterday. It costs about 2 million each time that happens. The original cost estimate for launch facilities out west was 30 million. The thing has been diverted 100 times over the years from Florida to Cali.
Florida must have had one heck of a congressional delegation back in the day to convince TPTB that a vehicle that required near perfect weather for landing should be based out of a tropical swamp.
/rant off
dude, you gotta point. LOL, many moons ago when I was in the video biz, we had an ad agency from LA descend on Florida during the summer to film some commercials. Their reason being, they wouldn’t have to pay union rates. Except someone forgot to tell them if they wanted to film outdoors, you have to get it done before 2:00pm during the summer, because that’s when the afternoon thunderstorms crank up in FLA. Boy, were they ever PISSED. Took ‘em twice as long to get the job done than if they’d done it in CA and since time is money, it probably cost them about the same to do it here as in LA, with arguably less talented personnel.
And they hated the humidititty.
Did they perspire, Palmy?
You betcha, ATE! No offense meant to our Cali brethren on this blog, but I just love it when Californians come to FLA and think they’re gonna show us how it’s done.
The weather was one of the original reasons that the film industry was centered in LA in the first place. They didn’t have high power lighting at the time, so they relied on the constant California sun.
The weather was one of the original reasons that the film industry was centered in LA in the first place.
That and the fact that Los Angeles was far enough away from New York that they could avoid paying Edison royalties on his patents on motion-picture technology.
Actually, the closer to the equator, the better for launching space craft.
Yes. Though Canaveral wasn’t originally chosen with space craft in mind, just “long range missiles”. Nevertheless - California was actually the prime candidate (one of 3 - the other being Washington state; not chose due to poor weather) when the long-range-missile facility was first proposed in 1947; Canaveral won out since the British were willing to let us fly over the Bahamas, but Mexico wasn’t willing to let us fly over the Baja region since we had just accidentally blown up one of their graveyards.
http://www.spaceline.org/capehistory/2a.html
I’ve never been able to understand why White Sands hasn’t been used more. IIRC, it’s only been used for one Shuttle landing.
Layman’s answer is that I believe the desired direction for launches is southeasterly, which is the best direction to take advantage both of the earth’s rotation (more centrifugal force when going east than when going west) and of the equator for orbits. The problem with White Sands is that Mexico is to the SE (see my link above).
Nixon ‘lost’ the election to Kennedy. Florida got the shuttle site instead of Vandenberg, Ca. The control center went to Houston when Johnson became Pres. Politics always trumps practicality in the US.
May 25, 2009
COMMENTARY: Foreclosure spike reaches New Orleans area
by Autumn C. Giusti
We may be a long way from the Golden Gate Bridge and Lake Okeechobee but signs are surfacing that the housing crisis may be knocking on our back door.
It has been easy to watch from afar as rising foreclosures have forced housing markets to crumble in California and Florida, but we shouldn’t get too comfortable thinking the New Orleans area is an insulated ivory tower.
Foreclosure filings in several parts of the New Orleans area jumped by more than 100 percent in April compared with the same time last year, according to Irvine, Calif.-based RealtyTrac, a national foreclosure database:
• St. Tammany Parish had 120 filings, a 185.7 percent increase;
• Orleans had 309, a 113.1 percent increase; and
• Jefferson Parish had 153 filings, a 101.3 percent increase.
RealtyTrac spokesman Daren Blomquist said New Orleans is part of a new crop of areas experiencing big jumps in foreclosure activity.
“With this increase, you’re seeing the possibility that the foreclosure problem is spreading to New Orleans,” he said.
“spike” implies they’ll be going back down soon quickly.
One of my pet peeves is pre-emptory usage of the word “spike” when referring to trends. Foreclosure trends tend not to be spikes but instead long drawn out high periods.
‘One of my pet peeves is pre-emptory usage of the word “spike” when referring to trends.’
Would “super slow-motion, steadily-mounting, quasi-permanent tsunami crest” work better for you?
I’m from New Orleans but live in northern Louisiana these days. You would be shocked at the cost of housing in that city. Foreclosures on the upswing really doesn’t surprise me. Once the Katrina money went away it was only a matter of time.
Before Katrina it cost $250k just to get into Lake View, and prices were much higher than that. Uptown/St. Charles was even more pricey. Median house price in New Orleans is (was?) $190k. Note: These do not look like California prices but median household income was $36k. This is approximately a x5 factor. So, it doesn’t have to be as high as California.
Much of the city is now more or less screwed. Lake View got 20 ft of water. Gentilly wasn’t much better. New Orleans East was a complete mess. Mid City did somewhat better since not all of that was flooded. St. Claude Ave out to the Rigoletes at Lake Pontchartrain was destroyed. It was sad and unnerving to see the 1 or 2 etc. written on the doors of some of the wrecked houses. I wanted these to be zero. No such luck.
Right now the prices are variable in a dirty, dangerous city where recovery is spotty. There is approximately 300k people where there used to be 425k. Yes, they are working on it. Still, I do love New Orleans, and I wish could move back.
Oh my favorite restaurant Jeager’s at West End went into the lake. I still morn.
I played the Louis Armstrong tune “You don’t know what it means to miss New Orleans” on my horn at West End in honor of the New Orleans that was.
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Thank you for the good post Roidy. I got ya.
I am still puzzling over news that the California unemployment rate dropped in April despite the state leading U.S. job losses for the month. I am going to stick with the hypothesis that the reported drop in the unemployment rate reflects sampling error, rather than an actual decrease in the population unemployment rate. If this is correct, the regression effect suggests there may be a “larger than expected” increase in May unemployment for Cali.
California Led U.S. in Job Losses in April
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Published: May 22, 2009
WASHINGTON (AP) — Forty-four states lost jobs in April, led by California, where employers slashed 63,700 positions, as the recession took a further toll on workers.
Trailing California in over-the-month job losses were Texas, where 39,500 jobs vanished; Michigan, which lost 38,400 jobs; and Ohio, where payrolls fell 25,200, according to a Labor Department report issued Friday.
California’s unemployment rate was 11 percent last month, fifth-highest in the country. Michigan’s jobless rate was the highest at 12.9 percent, followed by Oregon at 12 percent, South Carolina at 11.5 percent and Rhode Island at 11.1 percent.
As the recession eats into sales and profits, companies have laid off workers and turned to other cost-cutting measures, like holding down hours and freezing or trimming pay.
Since the recession began in December 2007, the United States has lost a net total of 5.7 million jobs. The nationwide unemployment rate now stands at 8.9 percent, a quarter-century high.
My youngest son was laid off 6 weeks ago after 5 years with the company…Consolidation, downsizing creating redundancies…My oldest son just avoided a lay off last week but must take a 20% pay cut and furlough 8 days per month… Everybody I know is having much difficulty other than the ones in government jobs or government related contracting…. Things are not getting better folks..They are not flat lining either…They are getting worse…
Furlough 8 days a month plus a 20 percent pay cut ? Wow, that must come out to a total of 35 to 40 % pay cut when combined. Time to start looking for another job on the sly I’m thinking.
Looks like someone doesn’t believe in the “green shoots” theory.
green stool.
green stool.
Bare Trees
Bear Stool
Not for retirees who are making an extra $3000 monthly as paychecks, benefits and any ability to retire - ever - is being relentlessly slashed for everyone under age 50.
…As the biggest Ponzi scheme of them all continues to increase its maniacal grip on the necks of suckers born after 1955.
Preach it, Eudemon! (Yours Truly was born in 1957.)
Gov Perry may have turned down Federal money for extending unemployment benefits, but a few folks will have new jobs rebuilding the Governor’s Mansion:
Stimulus funds to repair Texas Governor’s Mansion
Texas Gov. Rick Perry speaks during a news conference Wednesday, April 29, 2009, AP – Texas Gov. Rick Perry speaks during a news conference Wednesday, April 29, 2009, in Austin, Texas. He …
By JAY ROOT, Associated Press Writer Jay Root, Associated Press
AUSTIN, Texas – While Gov. Rick Perry is criticizing Washington bailouts, state lawmakers are planning to use $11 million in federal stimulus money to help rebuild the badly burned Texas Governor’s Mansion.
Approximately $10 million in state tax money will also be spent on a renovation, which is expected to cost about $20 million, officials said Thursday. A House-Senate committee agreed on the expenditures late Wednesday night.
The mansion was burned in an arson fire last summer.
Perry has railed against federal bailouts and what he called the free-spending, power-hungry ways of Washington. In January, he said Texas was endangered by Uncle Sam’s “audacity.”
Texas has a really bad habit of treating anyone who isn’t well off very, very poorly.
Updated Mortgage Reset Chart
Is that plausible?
If yes, take it from my still, small voice (and ignore the shills with the MSM megaphones):
No recovery until 2013 or later.
Had a great day with the family… back to business…
FPSS, I can understand you avoiding trading discussions with me, but how do you turn knowledge of that clusterf*ck into cash?
Teach me.
“Before Katrina it cost $250k just to get into Lake View, and prices were much higher than that.”
I get a kick out of people wanting a view albeit ocean or mountain. After less than one week people have curtains up to protect their privacy, block the sun, etc and the view just becomes a background prop.
BTW: What happened to the view taxes in NH?
Not sure if this was linked to yet:
Christian Science Monitor 05/22/2009
“Brian Mehigan, the self-described “Mayor of Tara Lane,” knows all too well the rise and fall in real estate prices that he calls, simply, “the madness.”
One of a handful of original owners left in this decade-old Phoenix-area subdivision, the freelance plumber can tell you the fate of homes up and down his street. He points them out one by one: That one’s for sale, that’s now a rental, rental, foreclosure, short sale, foreclosure, original owner.”
“But, despite the short sales, foreclosure sales, and the burgeoning rental inventory, there’s also a massive “shadow market” of empty or rented homes yet to come on the block, as banks try to optimize returns on failed investments and homeowners hold off, waiting for a rebound.
In this foreclosure capital – over 75 percent of homes on the market in Phoenix are owned by banks – such a big backup of inventory could affect streets like Tara Lane for years to come. And it could dramatically impact the trajectory of the much-awaited recovery.”
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“And it could dramatically impact the trajectory of the much-awaited recovery.”
… much awaited recovery.
Lol. One could die of old age waiting for THIS recovery.
Wouldn’t a burgeoning rental inventory mean that the “we’ll just rent it out until the market improves” strategy has become a loser?
SammySchadenfreud;
Few things are sadder than seeing prime agricultural land gobbled up by tract housing and soulless cookie-cutter planned communities.
From yesterdays bits. Boy don’t I recognize that principle.
Having spent early childhood in and around the entire Hemet, San Jacinto, Temecula, Murrieta valleys, it is and was so sad yesterday to see all that beautiful land, farmland just gobbled up by ugly block houses so close together you could ask the guy next door for more toilet paper-WHILE on each others thrones. And those ugly suburbs/developments were in the middle of nothin…just beautiful land that had been thoroughbred farms, citrus ranches, walnut orchards, dairy farms, potato farms, you name it..
In fact what was once the King Ranch just off the 10 a nanosecond from Beaumont was once a premier thoroughbred ranch and you saw all the pretty horses just off the freeway.
Now it is ugly butt ugly matchstick houses.
This is the legacy of the 2000’s, clear cutting fruit trees to put in luxury vanilla houses at insane prices.
Maybe just Maybe the era of Dumb and Dumber is finally over?
ya think?
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soulless cookie-cutter planned communities
For fun and furthering my eduMcation, I am thinking about taking some version of the real estate licensing exam. I am also thinking ahead to when and if I get around to buying another home (or perhaps helping my kids do so if the bubble continues to deflate for another 15 years or so) — I don’t want to have to blow upwards of $10K in today’s dollars to pay some idiot UHS for services that I can provide more cheaply for myself.
So I checked the Barron’s preparatory book for real estate licensing exams out of the library and started reading it. It is reasonably informative, and sometimes inadvertently entertaining, as well. For instance, in one of the practice exams for the UHS licensing exam appears this question:
1. A real estate broker is a
(A) general agent;
(B) special agent;
(C) secret agent;
(D) travel agent.
Funny, no?
Kool Aid anyone?
Jehovah Witnesses brings apocalyptic topic to West Palm Beach ‘leaky teepee’
By ANDREW ABRAMSON
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Sunday, May 24, 2009
WEST PALM BEACH — It’s the start of the Jehovah Witnesses’ convention season, and this year they’ll be preparing for the end of the world.
Starting Friday, the Witnesses will host 14 consecutive weeks of conventions at the Christian Convention Center on Palm Beach Lakes Boulevard.
This year’s theme, “Keep on the Watch!” is designed to discuss world events and how they relate to the Bible’s prophecy of the apocalypse.
While all conventions are open to the public, the Witnesses are specifically inviting the public to a discussion with the provocative title, “How to Survive the End of the World,” which will be at 11 a.m. Sunday.
“We feel it is imminent,” spokesman Richard Ferris said. “We can’t really put a date on it, and the scriptures tell us that nobody knows days or hours, but we’ll look at the signs as a theme of our convention and keep on the watch.”
Jehovah Witnesses believe that while the apocalypse will be terrible for many, it will be the beginning of a better world for the faithful.
“The fighting against nations, we’re seeing more earthquakes, you can look at the swine flu, all this, and it just points to the things that shows we are getting very close to what we feel is the end,” Ferris said.
Going door-to-door with Bibles and informational packets has become a trademark for the Witnesses’, and Ferris said there’s a reason recruiting is such a major part of their religion.
“While we don’t relish the thought of destruction that’s going to take place, that’s why we feel so strongly about door-to-door work and warning people,” Ferris said. “If you knew a hurricane was coming, and you were the only one and you didn’t tell anybody, it would be on your shoulders.”
For Diogenes in yesterday’s Bits.
And another favorite of mine was the 2 doofus “professors” from USCLA or Berkeley who had discovered that housing prices, based on their metrics were at fair value and slated to head higher indefinitely
The doofii
How can 29 cents on the dollar only lose $2 million out of $17 million
Chrysler slams Indiana State Treasurer’s demands May 25, 2009 7:28 PM ET
All Thomson Reuters news NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. automaker Chrysler on Monday slammed Indiana State Treasurer Richard Mourdock as making demands that would ultimately push the carmaker into liquidation — resulting in the loss of more than 4,000 jobs and 9,000 retiree pensions in Indiana alone.
Mourdock, who oversees pension funds invested in Chrysler debt, has objected to Chrysler LLC’s plan to quickly sell itself in bankruptcy, claiming it is a dangerous path that would hurt pensions for thousands of his state’s retirees.
The Indiana pension funds have filed court papers requesting that an examiner be appointed to investigate Chrysler’s business decisions, and that the company be placed in the hands of a Chapter 11 trustee who can act independently of the government. The funds also mounted a challenge to the company’s plan in U.S. District Court.
Chrysler claimed in a statement on Monday that Mourdock, a Republican, is willing to put Chrysler in liquidation over less than 1 percent of the three funds’ assets.
It calculates that the combined Chrysler-related investments in the three state pension funds in question totaled approximately $17 million and the cumulative loss under the proposed deal would be about $2 million.
Here’s an interesting story from the LA Times about how builders are going smaller in square footage to survive.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-houses-smaller26-2009may26,0,3760958.story
I lived in a 1,040 square foot stucco box in San Jose for 25 years, and it just wasn’t roomy enough for me - neither did it have central heat or air. Retiring to Boise I bought what for me was a mansion: a 1985 square foot house with a three car garage. To me I mostly wanted a single-level home I could retire in - old folks don’t want to climb stairs. I could actually ignore the upstairs bonus room and half bath should I become disabled. Everything else is “cripple friendly”.
This place is about the right size for me. A master suite, two bedrooms to serve as an office and as a guest room, and a great room for kitchen/dining/living space. I’m guessing the house without the upstairs is about 1,800 square feet. I’m not sure what I would do with more space: and I’m sure if I had a spouse we wouldn’t bump into each other much.
At what size house would you feel that it has become “too big”?
This is the week for crazy bankruptcy stories. First, the author of Busted gets busted on his wive’s 2 bankruptcies, as they head for the family bankruptcy trifecta. Then Gawker reports that Vanity Fair photog Annie Leibovitz, is broke, selling the rights to all her prints for $15 million to pay off her creditors. Her road to ruin was over-leveraging on 3 Greenwich VIllage 1830s era town homes, which the historical society claims she purposely made inhabitable in order to get her way on some drastic remodel that literally destabilized her neighbor’s foundation. This has been going on since 2003. Something very Emile Zola about the woes of the rich and famous.
http://gawker.com/5266329/will-annie-leibovitz-be-forced-into-bankruptcy
Here’s an interesting story from the LA Times about how builders are going smaller in square footage to survive.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-houses-smaller26-2009may26,0,3760958.story
I lived in a 1,040 square foot stucco box in San Jose for 25 years, and it just wasn’t roomy enough for me - neither did it have central heat nor air. Retiring to Boise I bought what for me was a mansion: a 1985 square foot house with a three car garage. To me I mostly wanted a single-level home I could retire in - old folks don’t want to climb stairs. I could actually ignore the upstairs bonus room and half bath should I become disabled. Everything else is “cripple friendly”.
This place is about the right size for me. A master suite, two bedrooms to serve as an office and as a guest room, and a great room for kitchen/dining/living space. I’m guessing the house without the upstairs is about 1,800 square feet. I’m not sure what I would do with more space: and I’m sure if I had a spouse we wouldn’t bump into each other much.
At what size house would you feel that it has become “too big”?
jj