May 27, 2009

Bits Bucket For May 27, 2009

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Comment by measton
2009-05-27 07:35:31

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The pace of sales of existing homes in the United States rose 2.9 percent in April, according to an industry survey on Wednesday that supported views the three-year housing recession was near a bottom.

The National Association of Realtors said sales climbed to an annual rate of 4.68 million units from a downwardly revised 4.55 million pace in March, initially reported as 4.57 million. That was slightly higher than market expectations for a 4.66 million-unit pace.

The inventory of existing homes for sale rose 8.8 percent to 3.97 million. The median national home price fell 15.4 percent from the same period a year-ago to $170,200.

Comment by exeter
2009-05-27 07:47:40

‘It’s a “non-regular market,” Yun said.’

I’d like to choke that stupid bastard.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-05-27 07:51:41

Totally illogical to say that April sales are up a tad (numbers to be revised downward later) month over month, in what should be peak sales season, yet prices down YoY and inventory way up, and say it confirms a bottom. Typical NAR spin BS.

Comment by patient renter
2009-05-27 09:33:45

The worst part is that NPR bought this BS hook line and sinker. This morning they reported that we could be seeing a housing bottom… then about 10 seconds later the reporter said that prices are expected to fall for the rest of the year. Well which is it?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 14:42:18

The NAR is a major NPR sponsor. Enuf said?

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Comment by DennisN
2009-05-27 14:54:59

Yeah. As soon as ADM became a big PBS sponsor, you notice how they stopped doing hard-hitting investigative reporting on agribusiness. ;)

 
 
 
 
Comment by Bad Chile
2009-05-27 07:56:24

Don’t sales always rise over March to April? Or are those seasonally adjusted numbers?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-05-27 08:20:45

Sales tend to rise at this time of the year because, well, it’s the Spring Selling Season.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-05-27 09:03:33

And don’t forget the Summer selling season in which parents need to BUY a home before school starts in the fallllllll!

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Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-05-27 11:47:42

That’s actually the spring selling season. To get into the school, you want to be moved in before September. So you want to close before August 1st. Which means you want to have your offer accepted no later than July 1st for a 30 day close with some wiggle room. That means June is when you want to be making your last ditch efforts to get a house or you’ll be stuck moving mid-school year. That’s not to say you couldn’t buy in July and still make it, but it’ll be rushed.

So anybody looking at houses with school age kids will want to move in after june (when kids get out of school) and before September, making April-June the best time for them to be shopping for houses. Hence the spring selling season.

 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-05-27 08:52:59

For what it’s worth my lawyer friend said she had a nutjob week last week. Reported people coming out of the woodwork for new home purchases and refi’s. Also I tried to get some mortgage rates recently. The receptionist said they were out straight and wasn’t sure when anyone could call me back. There was a lot of noise in the background. A second place I called reported being steady but not busy.

Perhaps the hint of upward movement in interest rates combined w/price reductions as we move into June? Or Alt-A reset fears? NYFed shows our town and a couple of others have more than our share compared to others in the area. Hard to tell w/o being on the front lines.

 
 
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Comment by bananarepublic
2009-05-27 10:18:00

Well we backed out of the purchase. There were some problems with the inspection so we decided it was better to wait a little while longer.

Scratch one FB.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-05-27 10:45:08

Sitting on your banana bread for a while.

Comment by bananarepublic
2009-05-27 11:05:18

Basically.

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Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-05-27 11:50:28

Good for you for taking the rational response and backing out when things get drastically different than expectations. Once you’ve got an accepted offer, it’s harder to admit that things are ‘deal breakers’ that you would have walked away from without batting an eye earlier on.

 
 
 
Comment by Eudemon
2009-05-27 11:11:15

Good for you. The entire Front Range remains considerably overpriced. A total mismatch between incoming locusts and people who actually work here.

I wonder how many Alt-As and options exist up and down I-25?

 
 
Comment by Tim
2009-05-27 10:56:43

“But perhaps a more important number to look at is existing inventory. Inventories of previously owned homes jumped 8.8% at the end of April to a 10.2-month supply at the current sales pace, versus a revised 9.6 months of supply in March.”

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-05-27 07:38:04

Put a fork in retail real estate:

http://tinyurl.com/pz2k2y

“Gary London, president of London Group Realty Advisors, said he expects San Diego’s retail real estate market to hurt for at least the next 10 years. And with increasing online retailing, he’s not sure it will ever come back as strong as it was earlier in the decade.”

“It’s going to take at least a decade, except for revamped retail,” London said, adding Internet retail will take an ever-larger bite. “There’s going to be a major compression in this sector for a long time.”

“London said it was simply a case of overbuilding. He said during an approximately three-year period in the middle of the decade when consumer demand had climbed 14 percent, retail construction had increased by 50 percent.”

“And that was in good times. The most important thing is I don’t think consumers are going to spend like they did at least for another decade. They won’t be able to use their homes like they did for equity loans anymore,” London added. “We haven’t begun to see the impact of this yet.”

 
Comment by measton
2009-05-27 07:44:06

Another perspective

By Bob Willis

May 27 (Bloomberg) — Home resales in the U.S. gained in April as foreclosure auctions and improved affordability spurred bargain hunters.

Purchases increased 2.9 percent to an annual rate of 4.68 million, close to forecasts, from 4.55 million in March, the National Association of Realtors said today in Washington. The median price slumped 15 percent from a year earlier, the second- biggest drop on record, and distressed properties accounted for 45 percent of all sales.

45% of all sales distressed. Hmmm.

Comment by Walt
2009-05-27 08:16:04

I can vouch for this, after purchasing a home in the “foreclosure capital” Cape Coral, FL at 25 cents on the dollar which was owed by last owner to the bank (basically back to what property sold for in the 1980’s). Additionally the bank had to pay off a utility lien placed on the property because the previous owners had not paid water/sewer for almost a year before foreclosure. Plus bank paid doc stamps and title insurance.

I currently am having work done on home (cosmetic) and plan to enjoy moving into my new (paid off) home at $42 sf under air plus huge garage and lanai on a .25 acre lot this fall.

Thank you banking industry for my windfall!

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-05-27 08:24:36

Methinks that many more people will be thanking the banking industry for similar windfalls.

Comment by DennisN
2009-05-27 09:12:58

I thank the banking industry for being idiots three years ago. I sold my San Jose house in May 2006 for $670K to a FB. FB got foreclosed on 18 months later, and the bank sold it to FB #2 for $540K. Zillow now says it’s worth maybe $470K. If it wasn’t for stupid bankers, I wouldn’t have paid cash for a nicer place in a less bubbly state and pocketed about a half million left over.

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Comment by DennisN
2009-05-27 12:18:12

Oops, I forgot to add that FB #1 got a 102% mortgage out of the stupid bank.

He was an itinerant house painter. What would he make in Silicon Valley? Maybe $60K/year if he worked hard?

The idiot bank loaned him ELEVEN TIMES his annual income.

 
 
 
Comment by packman
2009-05-27 08:28:55

Awesome!

MSM needs to put out more success stories like this. Affordable housing.

Comment by DinOR
2009-05-27 08:35:16

I’m tickled Walt got a great deal and all but I’m reluctant to call anything in this environment a “victory”? Look at the total cost. As taxes escalate out of necessity, will this all still look like a bargain?

In ways the U.S is starting to look a lot like the Philippines in the 80’s. Lots of great bargains to be had, assuming you had the good fortune to have a job or stream of retirement income?

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Comment by Walt
2009-05-27 09:04:18

I can understand your statement, but as a previous homeowner almost ten years ago and sitting on sidelines since, I really want to be able to put my colors back on the wall and enjoy my home while I am young enough to do so.

I have tired of apartment living where my life is effected by my neighbors. (I actually had to move into another apartment last fall because of my neighbors home theater system constantly thumping my walls).

One could say rent a house, but then I feel subject to the landlord rules and regs, I want to do what I want with my home.

I feel being debt free is one of the keys to freedom, I’ll deal with the taxes, it’s minor by comparsion.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-05-27 10:50:31

Walt,

I completely agree, and like I say, we all… ultimately will find our inviting entry point. Certainly seems to follow reason Floridians would be among the first.

But when I look at all, all the collateral damage, I’m seriously doubting -any- of it was worth it? Of course now any time the topic comes up ( w/ lay people and CBA’s ( Cert. Bubble Analysts ) alike, the entire conversation is framed from the standpoint that The Bubble was inevitable!

Sometimes profitable, at others scary… but never dull! Well, we’re looking at 13% Unemployment locally and OR has vaulted right to the #2 spot. Bad enough all the toys etc. will go back to the bank for many of these people, but now they’re out of job too! The whole thing, stoopid.

 
 
Comment by Walt
2009-05-27 08:48:25

I should also have mentioned the “bank” also gave me a newly renovated master bathroom as the previous owner had ripped it out prior to foreclosure and only got as far as tile floor and toilet, thus I have a new tiled shower and walls and a new vanity! They also painted all three bedrooms and installed new carpet. As the house was empty quite awhile I was lead to believe they did this to try and make the home saleable.

The home also has a newer AC unit, roof and plumbing which the previous owner (who bought in 2005) installed before going into default.

I also should thank the federal government for the 10% tax break (up to 8K) they are giving me as I have not owned a home for over three years and this will be my primary residence.

Thank you, thank you, thank you all…..

Patient my fellow bloggers has finally paid off.

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Comment by Muggy
2009-05-27 09:02:50

I will pull the trigger on $42/sq. ft. in Pinellas in a reasonable ‘hood.

 
Comment by Walt
2009-05-27 09:08:29

I used to live in “Tampa Bay” and I do like St Pete, I was not able to find anything there compared to what can be found in SW FL right now.

I found a house in a great area at this price, the only place you’ll find this is in SE St Pete right now and as you are familiar with the area you know the rest of the story.
Your not going to get this price in the old NE.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-05-27 09:15:12

Walt,

Again, not to pee on your well deserved “victory lap” but wouldn’t this have all been a lot more rewarding had employment still been at 5% and we didn’t have to be subjected to a total credit meltdown to arrive at those prices?

 
Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-05-27 09:28:22

I bought a house in Clearwater in 1997 for $63/sq ft and sold it in 2002 for almost $94/sq ft.

I’d buy that house again in a heartbeat for $42/sq ft.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-05-27 10:27:19

I will pull the trigger on $42/sq. ft. in Pinellas in a reasonable ‘hood.

What happened to Rochester?

Would $42-ish per square foot in upstate NY lure you back north, or are you now thinking about growing roots in Pinellas?

(Just curious.)

 
Comment by Muggy
2009-05-27 10:58:30

Hey ET, the goal is always to move back to Rochester, but if those prices were available in Pinellas, my wife could stay at home, and we could do well (read: survive) on my income — since my job can be done with a laptop and cellphone, we’d just spend a lot of time up there, and be reverse snowbirds.

Now, I just gotta keep that pesky job thing.

 
Comment by Muggy
2009-05-27 11:12:28

“wouldn’t this have all been a lot more rewarding had employment still been at 5% and we didn’t have to be subjected to a total credit meltdown to arrive at those prices?”

Pfft, What would we blog about? Go with the horrible, painstaking, mind-boggling, flow.

It’s been, and will be, a long strange trip, man.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-05-27 11:46:33

“…be reverse snowbirds”

Muggy, summer in FL and winter in Rochester? ;-)

 
Comment by Muggy
2009-05-27 15:08:19

“Muggy, summer in FL and winter in Rochester?”

That would be nearly as dumb as day-trading FAZ. :grin:

 
 
 
Comment by Les Pendens
2009-05-27 10:19:15

..

Walt,

I just purchased a beautiful well-appointed home for ~$96 sqft here in Haines City. It was not a short sale or a foreclosure.

I tried that foreclosure/short sale route here in Polk County but found the banks ( Countrywide, SunTrust, Chase ) absolutely unwilling to pay closing costs, do repairs, pay liens, etc. The ASKING PRICE was THE PRICE and these homes are sold AS IS…..no “ands-ifs-or-buts”. Additionally, short sales take approximately 2-3 months for approval and I just got tired of waiting. Also, I did not want to be in an HOA. Been there done that and hated being assessed every 2-3 years for something new. Didn’t like not being able to park my boat, etc on my property either.

Things are, apparently, different in Coral Springs-Ft Meyers-Naples….MUCH DIFFERENT.

That being said, I am going to be happy in my ~1500sqft cinderblock 3/2 on 1/4 acre in a well-established, quiet neighborhood.

Here in Polk County, reasonably priced, well built, modest homes are still holding up at around $90-$110 sqft…..that is for recent, prebubble construction. NO WAY would I even consider the stucco/slab/frame monstrosities built with Mexican labor from 2004-2008. I looked at a bunch of “newer” stuff and saw alot of very shoddy, thrownup construction.

I think I’ll be OK. My monthly nut rolls up at around $975 (4.8% mortgage); and that’s not too much to pay for a decent home in an established, low-crime area….no matter what the rest of the market is doing. The home would easily rent for that even in 1999.

I maybe could have done better with my purchase, but to be honest, there is a whole bunch of junk out there in Polk County( old houses, decrepit forclosures, etc ) under the $125K price range.

I ended up with a well-built 2001 model that was move-in ready. I think/hope I’ll be OK.

:)

Comment by Muggy
2009-05-27 11:30:25

Yeah, I don’t think that monthly nut would add up in Pinellas with windstorm. Your specs are the same as mine.

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Comment by salinasron
2009-05-27 07:48:10

Traveled to Bakersfield yesterday to get new truck tires, smog testing and pick up some new running shoes. Can get things done on my truck cheaper and better there then I can here in Salinas. Can’t even buy the brand of running shoes here in Salinas. Temp’s in Salinas (50-60), Valley’s in the 90’s with bad air quality.

Met someone who was buying a second home in Palm Desert. Said it was a great deal in a gated development of some 5000 homes. He said that he paid for a home inspection but very little was included in the inspection. Bottom line was that in spite of everything he still wanted to buy because it’d be a good retirement place in the future (you guessed it, he was a teacher).

Can’t wait to get into the Sierra’s soon. Will spend 4 days on horseback checking out the wild mustang herds and fishing.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-05-27 13:21:12

Where in the Palm Desert area? Which development?
How much? Curious.
Thinking right now of getting in car and driving around again, but gas is going up to fast. What is with that?

Comment by are they crazy
2009-05-27 20:52:40

It’s got to be Sun City. Was just in that place for the 1st time recently. It’s very strange cookie cutter houses that all look the same but the place goes on forever. There’s like 14 rec centers and hundreds of clubs.

 
 
 
Comment by packman
2009-05-27 07:48:13

10-year treasury bonds up-up-and-away - broke through 3.5 today up to 3.57 already.

Time for some more QE.

Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-05-27 07:57:43

So what’s our short/medium/long-term target? What say the technical gurus?

And what’s QE? (Apologizing again for my anacronymia.)

Comment by Al
2009-05-27 08:00:27

quantative easing

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-05-27 08:01:50

It sounds so much more sophisticated than “printing money”.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 08:18:01

The money does not really need to be printed, anyway — just saying it exists and backing up the statement by an electronic entry in a computer’s data bank will suffice.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-05-27 08:20:11

less work then too, when you pour it down a black hole.

click!

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-05-27 08:40:51

You make the good point that it actually is more sophisticated than printing money, in a manner of speaking, at least.

 
Comment by mikey
2009-05-27 09:07:04

Sheesh…It looks like the REIC/FIRE/GOV’T gang created their own One Hundred Year Heavy Money Flood, just declared WE now own the freakin’ Dam and then they put the Daffy Ducks of the World in charge of the Floodgates.

I’m just waiting for the happy music and Porky the Pig to appear and say….

“Th-Th-Th-Th-Th-Th-Th-Th-Th-That’s all folks!”

I promise to be more positive when I make it to the high ground :)

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-05-27 08:42:57

What does it cost to produce a ten dollar bill?

According to the Bureau of Engraving and Printing it cost 6.2 cent per bill no matter the denomination.

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Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2009-05-27 08:54:13

I watched a documentary on this a few weeks ago. Not sure when it was filmed. They said $0.04 per bill. Costs the same to make $1 as it does $100.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-05-27 11:44:25

Even at $0.04 if they were actually printing all this money they would have to be printing some pretty big bills to be able to afford the cost. I wonder what someone in a gas station would say if asked, can you break a billion?

 
 
 
Comment by packman
2009-05-27 08:07:11

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing

I had heard the term but didn’t know what it meant myself until recently.

Best example is the March 18th announcement by the Fed that they’d purchase $300B in treasuries; the 10-year yields on that day dropped from 3.0 down to 2.55 or so instantly.

They’ve since gone up again and then some. Mortgage rates are loosely tied to these rates - so they can’t afford for them to get too high, which would be taking a flame thrower to those little green shoots that supposedly exist in the housing market.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-05-27 08:58:45

Wouldn’t that be called TQE; the threat of quantitative easing?

Don’t make me jump!

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Comment by packman
2009-05-27 09:24:55

Not a threat - that was a specific plan announced; they’re about a third of the way through the 6 months worth of purchases now.

(Note that this is aside from other QE methods like purchase of Fannie and Freddie and commercial loans, which I believe is well above $1T by now. Sum total of QE so far is about $1.7 Trillion)

 
 
Comment by whino
2009-05-27 10:24:24

From Bloomberg:

Mortgage-Bond Yields Soar, Jeopardizing Fed’s Housing Effort

May 27 (Bloomberg) — Yields on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgage bonds rose for a fourth day, after yesterday for the first time exceeding where they stood before the Federal Reserve announced it would expand purchases to drive down loan rates.

Yields on Washington-based Fannie Mae’s current-coupon 30- year fixed-rate mortgage bonds climbed to 4.3 percent as of 10:25 a.m. in New York, the highest since March 10 and up from 3.94 percent on May 20, data compiled by Bloomberg show.

The Fed, seeking to use lower home-loans rates to stem the housing slump and bolster consumers, said March 18 it would increase its planned purchases of so-called agency mortgage bonds by $750 billion, to as much as $1.25 trillion, and start buying government notes. Rising mortgage-bond yields, driven higher in part by climbing Treasury rates, means the Fed now “faces a challenge to its ability to sustain low mortgage rates,” according to Jeffrey Rosenberg at Bank of America Corp.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=aw90LMfkBOeU

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-05-27 08:54:54

Hey, quick…look over there! ;-)

“..As for the Latvian hookers, there is no sign of prices recovering yet. The message: The International Monetary Fund should remain on high alert. And so should most of Europe’s banking system.”

“Infidelity Web sites and Latvian escorts can say a lot about where the economy is heading. Just be discreet if you decide to follow these two benchmarks.”

Latvian Hookers Signal No Recovery for Economy:

Commentary by Matthew Lynn May 27 (Bloomberg)

 
 
Comment by whino
2009-05-27 08:09:57

China warns Federal Reserve over ‘printing money’

Richard Fisher, president of the Dallas Federal Reserve Bank, said: “Senior officials of the Chinese government grilled me about whether or not we are going to monetise the actions of our legislature.”

“I must have been asked about that a hundred times in China. I was asked at every single meeting about our purchases of Treasuries. That seemed to be the principal preoccupation of those that were invested with their surpluses mostly in the United States,” he told the Wall Street Journal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5379285/China-warns-Federal-Reserve-over-printing-money.html

Comment by palmetto
2009-05-27 13:02:07

OH, now THAT explains the North Korea (China’s proxy) hissy fit. Gee, what a coinkydink.

 
 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2009-05-27 08:20:54

I start slowly buying 10 year notes when the yield is above 5%, then increase the amount as the yield goes up. So far, they are still unattractive. But note the yield was near 2% just a few months ago.

 
Comment by packman
2009-05-27 11:32:24

3.67 and rising.

Rock and a hard place.
Rock and a hard place.

 
 
Comment by packman
2009-05-27 07:54:20

ACH - wanted to address this comment from last night:

This will get interesting. BTW, I do not believe for a second that the economy will “reflate”. We may get inflation, but you cannot force people to borrow.

To which I would say - I very much beg to differ.

(However I wouldn’t necessarily equate reflation with increased debt - one can have increased debt without pumping up the general economy; see WWII for example when debt skyrocketed without a corresponding economic boom - it all depends on how the borrowed money is spent.)

Comment by desertdweller
2009-05-27 10:04:51

Isn’t that curve the one where in a few seconds the roller coaster goes way down and you lose your stomach?

Comment by packman
2009-05-27 11:30:58

There will be no rolling down - only a straight vertical plummet when The Revolution happens. Something tells me the Federal Reserve won’t be posting data after that day though.

 
 
Comment by robin
2009-05-27 20:55:57

Asked the branch manager to match a rate on a high-level CD. He said he would love to, but there was no demand for $ currently at the credit union.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2009-05-27 08:03:00

WASHINGTON (AP) — More than 90 percent of economists predict the U.S. recession will end this year, although the recovery is likely to be bumpy.

That assessment came from leading forecasters in a survey by the National Association for Business Economics released Wednesday. It is generally in line with the outlook from Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and his colleagues.

About 74 percent of the forecasters expect the recession — which started in December 2007 and is the longest since World War II — to end in the third quarter. Another 19 percent predict the turning point will come in the final three months of this year, and the remaining 7 percent believe the recession will end in the first quarter of 2010.

Comment by AZtoORtoCOtoOR
2009-05-27 08:09:36

My personal recession will end when my savings account is earning over 10% and mortgage rates are 15%.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-05-27 08:57:58

“…when my savings account is earning over 10% and mortgage rates are 15%”

Hwy finds another “True Believer”! ;-)

 
Comment by mikey
2009-05-27 09:20:43

Heck…my personal DEPRESSION will end if I STILL see my savings account principal and the FDIC still Alive and Kicking, much less smiling, after this fiasco !
:)

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-05-27 09:32:52

Testify brother!

At 10% on savings I’d make about $65K a year sitting on my butt.

Comment by rusty
2009-05-27 11:45:21

and pay 45k back to the gubmint if things keep going as they are.

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Comment by polly
2009-05-27 12:00:41

Where on earth have you heard anyone propose a 70% marginal tax rate? They are talking about going back to Clinton rates (39.6), not Nixon.

 
 
 
Comment by CA renter
2009-05-28 02:32:34

Comment by AZtoORtoCOtoOR
2009-05-27 08:09:36
My personal recession will end when my savings account is earning over 10% and mortgage rates are 15%.

——————–

Amen to that!!!!!

 
 
Comment by Bad Chile
2009-05-27 08:12:45

You mean there is not a single economist that believes that the current recession will last beyond March, 2010, and that 93% of all economists think it will end by December 2009?

If that is the case - knowing it takes actions by the Fed approximately 6-8 months to work through the system, shouldn’t interest rates start rising something like yesterday?!?!?!

(I know - these are the same economists that were caught by suprise by something almost all the HBB posters saw coming…but still!)

Comment by polly
2009-05-27 08:15:16

Is it a new recession if there is a quarter or two of anemic growth in corporate profits with no job growth at all before the next leg down, or is that a single recession with two dips?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-05-27 08:28:36

From my exalted position as someone whose college major was economics, I’d vote for “double-dip recession.”

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-05-27 09:04:04

Do you want sprinkles with that?

Personally, my bet would be a five step progression. Thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, splat. Kind of a four horsemen, grim reaper partnership.

 
Comment by mikey
2009-05-27 09:28:50

From my exalted position as someone whose college major was economics, I’d vote for “double-dip recession.”

Ohh Yeah…right Slim !

THIS…from a gal that had me worried if she’d ever figure out how to flush your toilets a week or so ago !
;)

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-05-27 13:22:38

True confession: The delay in fixing the toilet problem was caused by my ailing commode having non-standard parts.

Which meant that I had to run to this, that, and the other store to find something that fit. I finally did, but in the meantime, my 2/2 house was a 2/1 house. Oh, well. I lived.

Ailing commode is working just fine now.

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-05-27 08:29:42

I would argue the latter, but double dip from ‘80-’83 is scored as two recessions so YMMV.

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Comment by Skip
2009-05-27 09:07:32

There were 4 quarters of growth in between those two recessions.

But since economist look backwards, that would mean the US may have already been in the second recession before they realized that the first recession had ended.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-05-27 10:07:05

YMMV???

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-05-27 11:37:19

Your mileage may vary.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-05-27 13:38:41

LOL thanks Dennis. YMMV
My new phrase for the day, or week.

 
 
Comment by BanteringBear
2009-05-27 09:10:24

I don’t believe any government statistics and could care less if they declare an end to the recession as it would be nothing more than frivolous rhetoric IMO.

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Comment by parrish dave
2009-05-27 08:25:53

I guess these are the same economists that never saw the recession coming and denied we would have one even after it began. Economist = idiot.

 
Comment by Danger
2009-05-27 08:44:44

Exactly which sectors of the economy are going to improve and pull us out of this recession? Housing? No. Commercial real estate? No. Banking, retail, education or tourism? Gong. Health care or technology? Maybe. That leaves a lot riding on green energy and fast food chains with dollar menus.

Comment by drumminj
2009-05-27 08:47:59

Anecdotal information: a friend of mine just got asked to defer a part of his salary until the end of the year. All the execs are having a chunk of their salary deferred, and it sounds like the company is going to be letting people go as well.

This company sells computer software to military and police organizations.

I’m still not seeing any positive happenings in my network of friends. Still just layoffs and salary reductions/freezes.

Comment by BanteringBear
2009-05-27 09:23:33

My poor mom is on pins and needles wondering if she is going to lose her job of more than 20 years. She is head of HR for a non profit, and they are in real financial trouble. They took away 650 hours of sick pay she had accrued over that period of time, 100+ hours of personal leave, and took 8 of 11 paid holidays. Now, after fleecing her of that, they might take her job. She’s 66, but not ready to retire, especially since her 401k took a throttling.

CARenter was talking yesterday of multiple job offers for people, but I have neither seen nor heard of any such thing. I do not believe in “green shoots”, “glimmers of hope”, or “positive signs”. What I do believe in is the great rape of a country with little to no negative consequences for the criminal perpetrators.

Somebody just posted a link yesterday for an IPO, run by one of the lead crooks of Countrywide, which intends to profit off of the bust, investing in assets purchased for pennies on the dollar. The same assets which were overinflated and troubled because of their criminal activity. This is what is so terribly wrong with this country. Those that caused the mess profited on the way up, and will profit on the way down, with the average person gaining nothing but a lower standard of living. I am filled with anger because of this. WHY are we not seeing prosecutions? WHY? Where is the FBI? What’s going on?

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Comment by DinOR
2009-05-27 10:55:57

BanteringBear,

You’re not alone brother. I noticed that when wmbz posted it yesterday and I’m SURE it is in direct violation of OCC Regs. Positive.

So all they’re doing is a quickie enitity change and we’re off to the races! If that flies, I have absolutely no faith whatsoever that the REIC is capable of reform. None.

 
Comment by patient renter
2009-05-27 11:03:44

650 hours!? Wow. I’m sorry for your mom’s situation. I guess this is a good example of how that much PTO can be a liability.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-05-27 11:09:01

Bantering where does she live? Can she file a grievance with a labor board?

 
Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-05-27 11:42:54

If they file Chapter 11, it won’t matter….the Labor Board will just round-file it.

Signed,
Someone who got stiffed out of his 160 hour PTO account…….and his severance…..

 
Comment by mikey
2009-05-27 11:49:53

That sounds pretty awful about your Mom BanteringBear. I hope that she can at least keep her job and make it to retirement if that is close.

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-05-27 13:08:38

My hours just got increased, oddly enough. Of course, this is a small business and I’m bringing in work, and they want that work. They’re hungry. No benefits, though.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-05-27 13:46:22

Bantering. I am sorry for your mom. 10 yrs ago, even coming out of that recession, my mom was trying hard to stay viable in her business so that her measly SS wouldn’t be just that 20$ per mo less. This recession and so many others are so bad for workers over 45 yrs old. IN GENERAL, so no swipes from those of you who have consultant jobs etc..But seriously, in our country we have a serious problem that we get rid of so many good workers and go for the youth= cheaper pay.

As for the Sick time (PTO???) I had some guy tell me his cousin got an award for never calling in sick for 10 yrs.
I call BS on that. It doesn’t pay to try to earn “brownie points” just to impress a supervisor.
Use it or Lose it.

Good luck to your mom.

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-05-27 09:50:50

I suspect that in this case the salary will be like justice, where delayed=denied. Paycheck races*, comming soon to an employer near you.

*That’s where everybody races off the bank when the paychecks come out because everybody knows that the last one there has a check that will bounce. 0f course now that everybody has direct deposit, I’m not sure how employers could try and “play the float” with their payroll

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-05-27 10:14:16

My company just played the float by delaying pay an additional week. So Simple!

 
Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-05-27 11:51:18

Sign up for “Direct Deposit”…….when they cancel that program, and start mailing checks out directly, take that as the final warning to GTFOO Dodge.

I had Direct Deposit until they announced they were discontinuing it at the end of February. The next sign was that they didn’t MAIL the checks until payday…….which meant that it would be 10-11 working days before you could be relatively sure the check had cleared.

They then let everyone go on April 17, then filed Chapter 7 on May 1.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-05-27 13:48:34

Xgsfixer

oh my gosh, what a timeline. Sucks. big time. Sorry.

 
 
 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-05-27 08:51:27

Is Economist a synonym for Optimist? Is there actually a difference in the meaning of the two words?

Comment by Elanor
2009-05-27 14:11:58

Maybe all economists are now optimists. Word is that even Dr. Doom is seeing green shoots!

 
 
Comment by Real Estate Refugee
2009-05-27 10:25:44

Kinda reminds me of when BB said that subprime would be contained and not effect the economy.

Wonder what they’ll say when the Option Arms start to rear their ugy heads. What programs will be put into place to “save” the homemoaners.

After becoming bankers and car manufactuers, I guess the gov’t will try their hand at being a landlord?

Imagine owing rent to some gov’t agency. Geez, how f*cked up could that get?

My head is hurting, must stop this line of thought.

 
Comment by mikey
2009-05-27 16:10:16

That’s IT….time to bring out the Quija boards, goat entrails and tea leaf readers and get rid of 99.997 % of those Court Jester Economists. They all huddle up like a bunch of frightened turkeys on market day.

Sheesh….even old Wonda, the Roving Romanian Gypsy lady, drunk, dancing and three sheets to the wind, could do a better forecasting job than these college educated clowns !

Comment by CA renter
2009-05-28 02:40:48

Bantering,

I share your anger WRT the lack of prosecutions of these blatant thieves. It’s like they are rubbing our noses in it, with all the publicity, too.

What happened to you mom is absolutely inexcusable. It’s sick that people are allowed to get away with this.

 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2009-05-27 08:04:18

Reuters*: SEOUL (Reuters) - Economist Nouriel Roubini on Wednesday said the end of the global recession is likely to occur at the end of the year rather than the middle, and that U.S. growth will remain below potential afterwards.

“We are not yet at the bottom of the U.S. and the global recession,” said Roubini. “The contraction is still occurring and the recession is going to be over more towards the end of the year rather than in the middle of the year.”

“There is still too much optimism that a recovery is just around the corner,” said Roubini, a professor at New York University’s Stern School of Business and chairman of RGE Monitor, an independent economic research firm.

Roubini, who is widely credited for predicting the current economic turmoil, was speaking at the Seoul Digital Forum.

“A more sober analysis suggests we’re closer to the bottom; there is light at the end of the tunnel, but it’s going to take a while longer, and the recovery is going to be weaker than otherwise expected.”

Once the recession ends, “U.S. economic growth is going to be below potential for at least two years,” he said, amid multiple imbalances in the housing sector and the financial system, and the rise of public debt.

Roubini said the outlook for Asia was more positive than for Europe, Japan and the United States, thanks to stronger fundamentals.

“The latest economic indicators from Korea … suggest there is the beginning of an economic recovery, and growth might be already positive in the second quarter.”

The downside risk, Roubini said, was if advanced countries did not recover fast enough and if China’s rate of growth started to slow again.

Roubini predicted China would post a 6 percent growth rate this year, a “hard landing” considering it grew by 10 percent for a decade.

A robust recovery in Korean, China and other countries in the region would depend upon relying less on external demand and export-led growth and relying more on domestic growth, he said.

Comment by milkcrate
2009-05-27 09:32:14

Scuds and other weaponry pointed at Seoul from the north might cancel such conferences in the future.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-05-27 10:10:48

going to be over more towards the end of the year rather than in the middle of the year.”

It is almost June by a day or so,soooooo
Aren’t we in the Middle of the year already? So, obviously nearer to the end of the yr is, well, duh.

 
 
Comment by patient renter
2009-05-27 11:05:34

“growth will remain below potential afterwards.”

Remember that “potential” growth is growth based on the largest tolerable amount of debt and inflation.

The potential growth of my own kingdom would pretty large, if not for those pesky credit card limits.

 
 
Comment by Skip
2009-05-27 08:05:36

The Great Ethanol Scam
Not only is ethanol proving to be a dud as a fuel substitute but there is increasing evidence that it is destroying engines in large numbers

By Ed Wallace

http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm


…Not one mechanic I’ve spoken with said they would be comfortable with a 15% blend of ethanol in their personal car. However, most suggest that if the government moves the ethanol mandate to 15%, it will be the dawn of a new golden age for auto mechanics’ income….

Comment by Jon
2009-05-27 09:09:40

Ethanol will also slowly dissolve fiberglass boat gas tanks (for those who have them). The dissolved fiberglass is then jammed into your boat engine’s carburetor & cylinders.

My boat has a metal gas tank. But be sure to check before buying.

Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-05-27 11:55:00

Not jusr boats………there are a lot of cars and trucks with plastic gas tanks too.

 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-05-27 10:13:18

Todays news is

Big Oil Warms to Ethanol
By CLIFFORD KRAUSS

Joe Judice amid cane he is growing in New Iberia, La., for an ethanol research venture with BP. With demand expected to rise, oil companies are trying to benefit.

NYT - so which is it, ethanol good, ethanol bad, economic bottom mid yr or end of yr or alreay happened.
I have reached my weight goal, end in sight?

Comment by desertdweller
2009-05-27 10:14:23

alreay vs already

 
Comment by Bad Chile
2009-05-27 12:35:19

The thing that personally chaps my hide about ethanol is that you’re using water - something we cannot live without - to create not only a substance we can live without, but a substance that upon its use contributes to the pollution of water sources.

All this in a world in which one-fifth of the population of the world has insufficient access to clean water.

Comment by drumminj
2009-05-27 12:43:30

Isn’t water used in oil extraction as well, though? I agree with you that using crops (corn) to produce a substitute/additive is a bad idea, and really there is no net benefit…but i’m curious whether more or less water is “consumed” in growing the crops vs the oil extraction?

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Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-05-27 12:13:04

The guy is confusing E85 with gasoline that has 10-15% ethanol

E85 is primarily alcohol, with some gasoline and other chemicals mixed in……..the good news is that E85 has a high octane rating, which means you can run higher compression in the engine.
The bad news is that the engine and fuel system has to be designed and outfitted with the right components to run on it. And (the worst part), E85 has only HALF the BTU content of gasoline, and gets burn approx HALF the fuel milage of gasoline.

A 10-15% mix of alcohol with gasoline isn’t probably going to hurt much…….the problem is, once it’s mandated by the government, you won’t have a choice on what kind of fuel you burn in your car.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2009-05-27 08:12:30

Bodies Found In Funeral Home Bought At Tax Sale

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Bodies.Found.Funeral.2.1020590.html

Comment by desertdweller
2009-05-27 10:15:49

NIce Find, Muggy.

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-05-27 11:39:51

Would they have to pay tax on the stiffs as “inventory”?

Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-05-27 11:58:46

“…..they are unidentifiable…..”

If they were hermetically sealed, I guess you could call them “liquid assets”.

Comment by polly
2009-05-27 14:25:29

Is this like “Life After People”?

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Comment by mikey
2009-05-27 16:24:56

Surprised that that shady funeral home director hasn’t tried to charge them 3 years back-rent !

 
 
 
Comment by polly
2009-05-27 08:13:38

This is going to cause those young people to go right out there and spend, spend, spend….

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/27/your-money/student-loans/27forgive.html

Relying on loan forgiveness programs has got to stop. Of course, the alternative method - get a job that pays a lot of money, pay the loans off really quickly while living as if you make almost nothing and then get a job in public service - isn’t always available.

Comment by Muggy
2009-05-27 09:01:16

Argh! Articles like this boil my blood. My wife is a teacher, and I am sort of a teacher. There are so many people like this.

How about an article on my family, they can talk about how we’ve lived in small, modest places while paying cash for everything, and being responsible and whatnot. I challenge any reporter reading this to contact Ben to get my email. I’ll be happy to share, but nobody wants to hear it.

I guess we should rack up $100k in debt, buy a freaking house and a new F150, then bitch… way more exciting than a dude living in a tiny house, driving a beater, laughing as he stacks up cash, licking his chops.

 
Comment by Muggy
2009-05-27 09:08:40

They have a freaking flat-screen, new house, and a new truck, and they’re getting gubmint cheese.

Geez.

Comment by mikey
2009-05-27 09:47:53

“We’d gotten married in June and bought a house, pretty much planned our whole life,” said Mr. Gay, 26. Together, they had about $100,000 in student loans that they expected the program to help them repay over five years”

Student Loans, a big new truck, the big new house.(probably with every new gadget known to man inside.)

They look like they have just about everything that took any SANE husband and wife 30 freakin’ years to buy, pay for and accumulate. No wonder this country is in SO MUCH trouble.

America’s motto must have be changed to “Think Big and Die” while I was busy clipping my “Double-redemtion Wednesday’s” supermarket coupons.
:)

Comment by Elanor
2009-05-27 10:33:26

Gotta-Have-It-Now-itis is a disease rampant among today’s youth, but not limited to them. My Boomer brother-in-law has suffered from it his entire adult life, and he is far from alone in his addiction to Stuff.

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Comment by robin
2009-05-27 22:39:03

Funny you mentioned it. Fairly attractive REO listed today in Costa Mesa in the CA OC. Roof 1 year old! New granite throughout!

In the pictures, but not included in the ad - a large flat screen with a tilt-and-swivel custom mount.

No new truck shown.

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-05-27 09:58:42

Getting a good paying union job at the plant instead of going to college isn’t looking very viable at this point either…

Comment by BanteringBear
2009-05-27 10:12:35

Going to college then getting a good job upon graduation isn’t looking very viable either.

 
Comment by packman
2009-05-27 10:18:11

Yeah but if you get one you may end owning your own company.

Comment by packman
2009-05-27 10:19:49

(Presuming that your union votes the right way, and has the fortune to elect someone willing to forego bankruptcy law)

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Comment by Elanor
2009-05-27 10:31:09

Polly, even when that alternate method is available, a lot of people wouldn’t have the discipline to use it. Kudos to you for your responsible and sound choices!

Comment by polly
2009-05-27 11:00:04

See, and here I thought I was being a little less self righteous by taking out the statement that the alternative is what I did. It is a little different with teachers since they often train specfically for that in college, but the young folks in the article were talking about other jobs they might take.

The real issue is the cost of college and the idea that it is OK to just borrow everything. The borrowing culture is really toxic in this situation. The kids are so young when they agree to get on that wagon. Besides, you aren’t supposed to live large in college. I admit it was quite a while ago, but my freshman college roommates were daughters of pretty darn wealthy families - one father was a very successful doctor in a highly paid specialty and the other father was a very high level NYC media executive. The three of us lived in two very small rooms (two beds had to be bunked) - no telephone, no tv, no stereo, no comfortable seating, no microwave, no privacy. Music was a few tapes and a very small boom box. You expected to have a less luxurious lifestyle in college. It was college for pete’s sake.

And what good is an aspirational lifestyle if you don’t have to aspire to it? I mean, I don’t really aspire to all that much of it as my 12 year old car still works just fine and I get so much satisfaction out only having paid $25 for the TV I got off Craig’s List that I’m not sure I could be much happier with a huge flat panel that cost $1000 more. But even if you do aspire to it, isn’t it more satisfying if it takes a while to get there? How do you know how nice it is to have nice things if you don’t live without them for a time?

Comment by Jim A.
2009-05-27 12:50:43

Well yes, “those darn kids,” ARE living too large considering that they’re living on borrowed money. I lived in dorms most of my college career. Not these new fangled “townhouse-style” dorms but two to a room with bunkbeds and gang-bathrooms down the hall. We had a stereo, and we rented one of those mini-fridges, but no phone, no TV. (although one friend did have a piano in his room!)

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Comment by Skip
2009-05-27 13:36:26

No to mention that you cannot declare bankruptcy to get rid of your student debts.

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Comment by Elanor
2009-05-27 14:18:35

Self-righteous? Nah. I only knew you were talking about your own experience because you had mentioned it before. We fiscal conservatives may actually BE righteous, but we’re humble. ;) Also, perhaps, scared. I have no idea why, but the idea of being in debt has always been deeply unsettling to me.

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Comment by robin
2009-05-27 22:42:22

1993 car - bought 4 years ago for $7k, now worth $6k. Lexus sports car with low mileage. Oh, darn!

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Comment by patient renter
2009-05-27 11:10:58

I have a few friends who are teachers here in CA. They were ALL laid off recently.

The irony of the loan forgiveness programs is that they generally require you to teach sevearl consecutive years in the same school or district and they’re obviously targeted towards new teachers. Being laid off essentially disqualifies a teacher from eligibility (since they don’t have a job), rendering the forgiveness programs more or less pointless.

Comment by polly
2009-05-27 11:43:46

Going from 23 kids in a class back to 38 kids in a class is a form of deleveraging, isn’t it?

Comment by patient renter
2009-05-27 12:52:59

In a way, but the State’s debt is still there so there’s no reward for having deleveraged.

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Comment by REhobbyist
2009-05-27 13:15:06

My son’s girlfriend is going to law school this fall. She is independent and so is eligible for $12,000 per year of government loans at 6.8%. The first $8000 is subsidized (government covers interest while you’re in school) and the other $4000 has interest accruing during the years in school. Her other option is “Plus” loans, which are bank loans at 9.8% for which interest accrues. Since her first choice law school has tuition of $48,000, this means that if she had no other options, she would borrow $36,000 per year at 9.8% and $4000 at 6.8%. This is madness, usury. She would spend the rest of her life paying that debt.

This is the next shoe to drop. Five years ago, medical students could consolidate their loans at 3%. How can we let young people who don’t know any better accumulate this kind of debt?

Comment by goirishgohoosiers
2009-05-27 17:37:32

For the love of all that is right in the world, friends don’t let friends go to law school, especially not at 48K/yr.

Firms are letting attys go and for recent grads, there just aren’t that many jobs. People tend to equate docs and lawyers as though the occupations offer similar levels of income and security. If that was ever true, it isn’t true anymore.

Attorneys get fired from their jobs all the time. Firms will lay off dozens of associates without a second thought. Docs do not get laid off or fired at all.

There are several reasons for this, not the least being that the ABA does a much worse job than the AMA of protecting its members’ livelihoods.

Friends do not let friends go to law school.

 
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-05-27 15:57:40

Sorry to be graphic, but that pic made me puke.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-05-27 16:24:11

puking is good just look how skinny they both are…

Whats really sad is both their paychecks are spoken for so now they both need to get part time jobs, and he being macho man will want kids asap…..

 
 
 
Comment by Muggy
2009-05-27 08:13:42

Whew! Thank goodness it’s different in Rochester. Area home prices fell only slightly in 2008.

http://democratandchronicle.com/article/20090527/NEWS01/90527001/Area+home+prices+fell+only+slightly+in+2008&referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL

Comment by Muggy
2009-05-27 16:24:39

What? Nobody else wants to rap about the Roc?

That’s a good sign.

 
 
Comment by hd74man
2009-05-27 08:15:38

Consumer confidence increasing?

What kinda crack are these statistic dolts smoking.

As I’ve repeatedly posted here, what sets this downturn apart from the others is that it’s now the Demographic End of the Line…Boomer’s have paid for all this governmental Ponzi program crap. Now they’re all gettin’ ready to claim their oldster bennies.

‘cept for one small problem…there ain’t no more dough as the Prez acknowledged in a recent interview.

Even the WSJ tiptoes around the size and scope of this finanical tsumani.

From a USA Today article in Drudge…

RE: The government may have a hard time trimming spending to reduce the deficit when the recession ends. The 77 million Baby Boomers— those born in 1946 through 1964 — will start tapping their federal retirement benefits soon, which means increased government outlays for Social Security and Medicare.

“It will be doubly difficult for federal government to reduce expenditures and narrow the deficit as rapidly as they did following previous recessions,” Lonski says. At the end of the last major recession, in 1981, Boomers were in their 30s. Their incomes were expanding, as was their appetite for goods and services.

The Boomers now are in their 50s and 60s and unlikely to keep increasing incomes for long, which means that revenue from income taxes could flatten in the next few years. Also, Lonski says, they are more likely to save for retirement than spend — and consumer spending is a big driver of the economy.

“The American consumer led us out of previous recessions with some semblance of gusto,” Lonski says. “They’re too old to do it now.”

Comment by In Colorado
2009-05-27 08:23:12

Heck, most boomers have seen their incomes tank as they have been put out to pasture by Corporate America, and now find that selling insurance, mortgages and used houses isn’t what it used to be.

“The American consumer led us out of previous recessions with some semblance of gusto,” Lonski says. “They’re too old to do it now.”

And maxed out on debt with declining incomes.

 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2009-05-27 08:24:23

This boomer did everything backward. I lived below my means for years. I’ve already began spending on travel, for example. I love my work and look forward to continuing work as long as I can put one foot in front of the other.

Does not matter what the pay is since even my fixed income investments keep going up and at least that part of my income is increasing. Yeah, of course gold and equities are in my portfolio to keep an inflation hedge.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-05-27 08:29:32

“They’re too old to it now”

Well how many more times were we expecting boomers to spend their way out of a recession? Look, with or without The Bubble these demo. shifts were widely known and long predicted.

So rather than just having to confront the core shift, we’ve the add’l complications to deal w/ as well? And hey, the timing couldn’t be better!

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-05-27 08:32:57

Okay, here’s Slim. Born in 1957 and officially in a bad mood today. (It’s a long story. If you have an hour or two, I’ll share it.)

Any-hoo, here’s my beef: Why are people born in the 1940s and 1950s still being referred to as BABY Boomers? I mean, crikeys, if we’re in our fifties and sixties, what’s this BABY thing still doing?

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-05-27 09:04:25

Hey Slim, move your “Today I Feel:” magnet window frame from… “Angry”…to… “Mischievous”! It always works for me! ;-)

Comment by robin
2009-05-27 22:46:20

Born

Born as the one who ran

What do you do if you’re a boomer (fully qualified under the most current definition)

And you know you’re a man!

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Comment by DinOR
2009-05-27 09:05:11

Arizona Slim,

Right, and again we’re glossing right over “Peak Consumption”. Dent has been beating on this since the early/mid 90’s. He concludes that once people hit age 46, their purchasing begins to taper off gradually.

No big revelation, just common sense. At least it ’should’ have been? Boomers were actually upgrading homes rather than downsizing ( as logic would seem to dictate? ) and kept right on buying everything from boats to RV’s to plastic surgery rather than fund their savings.

Well, it’s a little late but now that bill has come due! And it’s a doozie.

Comment by Skip
2009-05-27 09:12:33

I think when people hit 65 their purchasing increases again, but most of the purchasing is paid for by the government via Medicare.

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Comment by VirginiaTechDan
2009-05-27 10:40:36

Can we stop repeating the pillars of flawed economic models where consumption drives the economy!

Production drives the economy because you must first PRODUCE before you have something to exchange for something to CONSUME. Funny money policies only obscure this principle and cause people to mistakenly consume their capital.

We do not have enough PRODUCERS to support the CONSUMPTION of the baby boomers and government. I don’t care how much money you print up, lend, and spend you cannot create net production by printing money (lending into existence).

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Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-05-27 11:15:50

Production drives the economy because you must first PRODUCE before you have something to exchange for something to CONSUME.

If production drove the economy the Big Three would be in lovely shape, wouldn’t they?

 
Comment by packman
2009-05-27 11:41:06

Production drives the economy because you must first PRODUCE before you have something to exchange for something to CONSUME.

If production drove the economy the Big Three would be in lovely shape, wouldn’t they?

Problem is the Big 3 consumed more than they produced.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-05-27 11:54:44

Well, this is where MEW-Extraction Operations turned that whole curve on it’s ear. Rather than a normal relationship between Prod. & Cons. what we had was the never ending house ATM providing all the liquidity one could ever ask for?

Loanowners didn’t have to “produce” jack. At work OR… w/ their house. All they had to do was raid their new found equity like “found money” and they’re off! We were literally consuming our way to wealth.

 
Comment by VirginiaTechDan
2009-05-27 12:28:46

Like packman said people must produce more than they consume. The act of production requires consumption. Effectively, people must turn a real profit.

The economy is driven by activities that generate a real profit.

“consumption” of end products does not generate a real profit.

Consumption of steal to produce cars could generate a real profit IF cars are in higher demand than other uses of steal.

Give me a printing press and I will start buying up everything I can find… and then burn it. Clearly this “consumption” would not drive the economy, it would create hyperinflation.

 
 
 
 
Comment by shelby
2009-05-27 09:14:31

I know the feeling - I was born in ‘63 & I’m “supposed” to be a Boomer

Heck my Dad didn’t even go to ‘Nam!!!

My Parents are Boomers, not me!!

Comment by DinOR
2009-05-27 09:26:26

shelby,

And never is that more apparent than in our choices in pop culture. I don’t know a lot of people that “were there man” in the 60’s that ‘also’ listen to ACDC and other non-peace&love bands much more associated w/ the 80’s.

In fact the Blue Oyster Cult wrote a song titled “This Ain’t The Summer of Love”. Although born in ‘59, I didn’t turn 21 ( old enough to get into bar without fake I.D ) until 1980!!!

So when people that actually -had- WWII age parents were buying homes and starting families, we were buying “rounds!” I’ll never get that.

Comment by shelby
2009-05-27 09:34:24

Ah, yes, Back in Black, by ACDC

Thanks for the memory DinOR :)

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Comment by DinOR
2009-05-27 10:02:38

shelby,

My younger brother was born in ‘62 and has almost NO childhood memories of even the Rolling Stones ( who were largely dormant and getting ‘zero’ airplay on FM radio for huge swaths of the late 70’s/early 80’s )

How can someone that lists DeBarge and Boy George ( yeah, I know ) among their favorite “artists” be considered a baby boomer is beyond me?

 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-05-27 12:25:36

DinOR,

It’s all kind of funny in a way.

The Radical’s of the 60’s & 70’s were all running around shouting “Never Trust your Gov’t or anyone OVER 30 yr old!”

Now, these same Radical’s don’t Trust anyone UNDER 30 years old and want Universal Health Care from the same Gov’t.

:)

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Comment by DinOR
2009-05-27 12:50:55

mikey,

That’s kind of our point. No one ( that “I” know of ) really associates “The 80’s” with anything -remotely- “radical”? Other than aging hold-outs left from previous era’s.

How ‘we’ keep getting lumped in w/ people that were born in the 1940’s eludes me? These are people old enough to be w-a-i-t-i-n-g for something “radical” to happen! The pop culture sea change was a -response- to their underlying sentiment ( not a “driver” )

 
 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2009-05-27 17:59:17

Hey Dinor, my 50th birthday is tomorrow. And yes, AC/DC in 1980, along with Van Halen, were cool. Even so, 60s music was big for us college students. Don’t you know that every new generation of people in their early 20s “discovers” that music two decades previous was cool? Plus I had older sisters, so I heard the Beatles, Doors, Janis Joplin, Jimi, the Stones, and so on.

AC/DC though: Sin City, TNT, etc, was great back in those days.

Being 21 in 1980 was certainly a point that seemed to make me feel separate from the “hippies.” We had to fear herpes, and then a few years later AIDS, while the older boomers had lots of free love. There was no longer any free love.

Most of the people my age became Reagan Conservatives on the spot. Not me. I was radical libertarian. Now I call myself a liberal, although score “libertarian” on the political quizes.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-05-28 06:34:18

One of my sisters, who was born in 1957, also considers herself an outsider from that radical “60s” group. We experienced none of the fun of the trailblazers.

But we also got something they did not: We learned from the older ones’ mistakes before we repeated them. And we are healthier and wiser as a result. I remember as a sophomore in college in the late 70s I saw an older gal in a science building where I had classes. She must have taken too much LSD in the 60s. She would walk backwards down the hall and she would talk to a large globe of the earth. She wore dark sunglasses and a large brimmed hat inside the building. Very strange.

Moderation is a virtue except when it comes to liberty.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Lisa
2009-05-27 09:41:42

“The American consumer led us out of previous recessions with some semblance of gusto,” Lonski says. “They’re too old to do it now.”

And they’re broke, but hey, let’s not get caught in the weeds over small details.

Comment by cereal
2009-05-27 10:47:00

I took 2 walking tours around the outdoor mall here in Century City yesterday to view the consumer confidence celebration firsthand.

We’ve got the world’s wealthiest people right here, and the greatest collection of jewelry, leather, perfume, artifacts, clothing, shoe, antiques, gourmet yogurt and such stores you’ve ever seen in one place.

By my estimation, each store averages about 1,800 sf. Rent here is $4/sf minimum. Each store has at least 3 employees on the floor.

I’ll guess that the average number of shoppers in any given store is .7 persons during the busy lunch hours.

I’ve heard that Montana Blvd is getting hammered as well.

The only confident consumers I saw all day were buying lunch at the food court and milling around the Apple store.

What see you in your neighborhoods?

Comment by mikey
2009-05-27 13:51:36

I’m in a suburb of Milwaukee. I see less daily auto traffic and buying at some of the local stores and the upscale mall. Mostly younger people as the middle age and senior buyers seem to be thinning out or hiding. I seldom drive into Milwaukee but noticed in the local news that the once famous revolving restuarant, the Polaris Room, upon the Hyatt will close due to lack of customers shortly. I really did like their food and service.

Lots of job loses in and arournd the greater Milwaukee Area but affects these people. Neighbors and people are really worried about jobs, taxes and possible equity vapors (which hasn’t really hit here much), but then nothing much is selling. The only green shoots here seem to be people’s tomato seedlings.

One neighbor and friend did a job transfer and made out well on sale because it’s a fantastic well updated cream city brick with several 5ft diameter oaks on a premier street behind me. I made an offer on it about 7 yrs ago but the RE agency blew me off when I told them cash, 48 hrs, 30 days closing and don’t bother to counter-offer. It was a 1/2 hearted super low ball offer and I didn’t mind. Now it’s way over-priced and over taxed.

Several auto dealers, small businesses and restuarants disappeared or have change hands. Fewer open house signs but lots more apt for rent signs. This is an older “well zoned” white collar and above, residentual town with few low-end houses and 200-220k min for a decent starter house in a “good” location.(all RE Codes for away from Milwaukee and inner city problems)

There is a historic area where old- town money, the up & comers as well as bankers, doctors, wannabe yuppies, hopsital staffs and well heeled med students used to fill the tables inside and out from lunch through diner 7 days a week when warm. These restuarants and associated non-essential boutique businesses in this area are beginning to suffer.

These were mostly the people that could afford nice cars, long lunches and generous tips. Parking lots used to be full, you’d be lucky to find street parking and there would be a line and wait to eat. Now the only time parking is a problem is on Family night fish fry specials.

Just some observations.

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Comment by Leighsong
2009-05-27 18:10:19

Hey Mikey,

Thanks for the update.

We’re out here in Eagle WI. Moving to Sullivan (town of Concord) this week and part of next week.

We bought a foreclosure for $50 dollars a square on 18 acres - Mature hardwoods and about 7 acres farmland.

The house was built 1996, block and brick frame with 2×6 interior!

I’ll update more on this gem as I am able.

Some features:

hydronic heated walk out basement

4000 sq ft

4bd/3ba/3.5 heated insulated garage

Inspector said it was above and beyond on insulation - 2 beautiful natural stone fireplaces

Built ins galore

Oh and the best part? We bought it for 1996 price.

Oh, and NO granite!

And you’re invited to the housewarming party!

Leigh ;)

 
Comment by mikey
2009-05-27 21:43:43

Hey Leigh,

That’s great ! :)

I remember that you mentioned that you guys were looking. I used to sight my deer rifles and do some short range bench shooting over near your old place in Eagle years ago.

I live in Wauwatosa, WI, in one of the orgional old farmhouses trapped in town by time. It’s a dump but I have 6 great oak trees, a pretty good LL and a crazy black lab that do all the work.

Sounds like you got a real nice deal and are quite happy. You can have a lot of fun with 4000 sq ft and 17 acres :)

Also sounds like it’s in great shape too. I’m not that familar with Sullivan but I know the general area.

Please keep me posted if you’re serious about a housewarming party as I have plenty of cheap wine and a GPS that does really amazing job of getting me totally lost.

PS: I am really nothing like my internet wild friend Olygal as I don’t were tights, masks or capes, I’m completely house-broken and relatively well-behaved…depending on my wine level :)

mikey

 
Comment by ahansen
2009-05-27 22:21:13

WOW! Congrats, Leigh. Sounds like you guys finally scored bigtime! I hope it works out to be perfect for youse.

 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-05-27 15:19:30

cereal
Interesting West Side update. Thanks.We are out in Thousand Oaks, and the mall is dead out here. We took the Metro subway to Hollywood Blvd & Highland last weekend, and it was hopping with tourists, but the package index was slim. That new outdoor mall is a beaut (Kodak and Grauman’s Chiense Theatres next door). Old Town Pasadena and the Paseo Colorado was dead 2 weekends ago. Lots of walkers, little shopping, other than an ice cream or cookie. The restaurants were pretty full. (subway trip) China Town was empty downtown too. In two weeks, Long Beach awaits. We’re now subway weekenders.

In Pasadena, Hollywood, and Long Beach, the Metro subway lets you out at the action. We can’t believe what a difference taking the subway has meant to our weekends. Finally, tax dollars well spent!

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Comment by ahansen
2009-05-27 22:14:29

Santa Monica, CA.
3rd Street Mall and Promenade was practically deserted last night from 5-11 pm. An upscale restaurant designed to serve 100 had perhaps two dozen patrons all night (including the bar action.)

In fact, the actual mall was closed for major renovations and the promenade appeared habited only by the “resident” homeless. Personally, I was thrilled! It looks like the mall has finally devolved back into the ’70’s– when it was the northern annex of Venice Beach; repleat with the leathery old guy in Speedoes pulling the live rabbit on a skateboard, and the claques of mutterers wrapped in matching hand-woven blankets and watch caps. The topiary was overgrown, the sidewalks dirty, and the storefronts were tired. A sign on the Barnes and Nobles Bookstore said, “No sleeping bags allowed in store.”

Always hated what they did to that place in the 80’s….

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Comment by jeff saturday
2009-05-27 08:18:40

From the Real Estate page Palm Beach Post. Com

Biggest Bargains
West Palm Beach
-50% (last sale $130,000)
$65,000
2 / 1.5 - Foxwood Estates
4953 Alder Dr # C

Palm Beach Gardens
-50% (last sale $330,000)
$165,000
2 / 3 - Prestwick Chase
397-1 Prestwick Lane

Lake Worth
-50% (last sale $400,000)
$200,000
3861 Wry Rd

Boynton Beach
-50% (last sale $240,000)
$120,000
3 / 2 - Mirabella Villas at Boynton Beach
824 Villa Cir # 824
Jupiter
-47% (last sale $340,000)
$179,900
3 / 2 - The Heights of Jupiter
6298 Pompano St

Wellington
-50% (last sale $400,000)
$200,000
4 / 2 - Scribner
2503 Sawyer Ter

Boca Raton
-50% (last sale $230,000)
$115,000
2 / 2 - The Cypresses
9307 Pecky Cypress Lane # 17F

Royal Palm Beach
-50% (last sale $200,000)
$100,000
3 / 2 - Lantern Walk
216 Par

Comment by desertdweller
2009-05-27 10:22:21

By JACK HEALY
Published: May 27, 2009

The glut of unsold homes, fed by a new wave of foreclosures, could drag housing prices lower in the month ahead as the gap widens between supply and demand.

The National Association of Realtors reported Wednesday that the inventory of unsold houses, townhouses and condominiums rose to 3.97 million in April, the highest levels since November. At the current rate of sales, it would take 10.2 months to burn through those unsold properties.

“We’ve got all this looming inventory out there, and the likelihood that whatever gains we see in sales are going to be pretty anemic,” said Joshua Shapiro, chief United States economist at MFR. “If you look at the broad middle of the market, price adjustment has a long way to go because of this whole inventory issue.”

And as the job market deteriorates, threatening previously secure homeowners, housing experts said more and more homes will probably keep coming onto the market. Another 313,000 homes entered foreclosure in the first two months of 2009, and more are expected as one-time delays to foreclosures expire and lenders resume proceedings against delinquent homeowners.

Although home builders are starting few new projects, the supply of houses is still overwhelming the market. The Realtors association said inventories grew last month even as sales of previously owned homes picked up last month as buyers went looking for bargains and lower-priced properties.

The median home price nationwide climbed slightly, to $170,200 in April from $169,900 in March, the group reported. Prices, however, were down from $201,300 in April a year ago.

Whoopsie daisys, I lost the link. NYT today, Housing Glut…

What I don’t get is how the prices can start going up, when more houses are coming onto the market. How does that go?

Comment by cereal
2009-05-27 10:56:49

“What I don’t get is how the prices can start going up, when more houses are coming onto the market. How does that go?”

It has everything to do with the trend towards higher end properties defaulting.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-05-27 11:05:19

In the last two days I have talked to a realtor and the one and only man at a sales office in a nearly built out housing project in Hobe Sound Fl. called The Oaks. After talking short sales with the realtor and new home prices that dropped from the high 4`s to the high 2`s with the salesman I said, there is another big wave of forclosures coming in July. The realtor said I know I went to a seminar on that, and the salesman just smiled and said you`re right.

P.S. I was at The Oaks because there were already 4/2s that sold in the high 4s being offered on short sales in the low 2s.

Comment by jeff saturday
2009-05-27 12:19:04

the one and only man

Should have been person, no women were there either.
No animals, oh my god where was I.

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Comment by ben
2009-05-27 08:26:47

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/zip/1190504183.html

Above is a link to what tenants will leave with their landlords.

Thinking of renting your home? Be careful.

Comment by rusty
2009-05-27 12:00:13

survivalist setting up a garden?

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-05-27 12:01:11

Dairymen around here love extra worn-out tires. They use them as weights on the tarps they must use to cover piles of manure. They must prevent run-off contamination these days. Tires are round and soft, making them perfect weights that won’t tear holes in the tarps.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-05-27 12:11:29

I feel sorry for his tenants if he builds his retaining walls out of them. :D

 
Comment by mikey
2009-05-27 14:08:20

Yikes..5-6 yrs ago, I believe our local landfill charge 4-5 dollars apiece just to take and recycle old tires and that was only IF you had paid for a yearly city landfill drop-off permit.

Image the cost of cleaning up everything after a walk-away tenant.

 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-05-27 08:35:07

Hip Tip: Whenever 90% (or more) of economists think something is a sure bet, go ahead and bet against them. Remember, HBB’ers, these are the same shills and idiots who told us “RE prices only go up”, and “There is no recession out there!”

WASHINGTON (AP) — More than 90 percent of economists predict the U.S. recession will end this year, although the recovery is likely to be bumpy.
That assessment came from leading forecasters in a survey by the National Association for Business Economics released Wednesday. It is generally in line with the outlook from Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and his colleagues.

About 74 percent of the forecasters expect the recession — which started in December 2007 and is the longest since World War II — to end in the third quarter. Another 19 percent predict the turning point will come in the final three months of this year, and the remaining 7 percent believe the recession will end in the first quarter of 2010.

“While the overall tone remains soft, there are emerging signs that the economy is stabilizing,” said NABE president Chris Varvares, head of Macroeconomic Advisers. “The economic recovery is likely to be considerably more moderate than those typically experienced following steep declines.”

One of the major forces that plunged the economy into a recession was the financial crisis that struck with force last fall and was the worst since the 1930s. Economists say recoveries after financial crises tend to be slower.

Against that backdrop, unemployment will climb this year even if the economy is rebounding, the NABE forecasters predict. Companies won’t be in a rush to hire until they feel certain any recovery is firmly rooted.

You can bet the farm, IMHO, that the economy will, in fact:

1. Collapse to unexpected depths
2. Prove all the “experts” and “leading economists” to be dead wrong
3. Cause the maximum pain to the maximum number of people
4. Prove the case that there is no “free lunch” or free money
5. Provide a compelling argument against the Federal Reserve System
6. Hyperinflate in due course

Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-05-27 08:50:00

There is a creepy sameness to all of the articles I’ve read in the past week or so about the “recession being over”.

None of them (at least none that I have found, anyway) present the slightest shread of hard data as to why this assertion is being made. Usually the word “hope” appears multiple times in the article’s quotations. My interpretation is that everyone believes the recession is ending because, well, so many other people believe the recession is ending, and that’s about it.

Contrast that with the articles that warn about much more serious trouble ahead. The hard data goes on and on, usually for pages.

Acknowledging as I do that perception is ultimately a sizable portion of economic consumer and investor confidence, can the bubble re-inflators really pull this one off? I’m still betting not.

Comment by Lisa
2009-05-27 08:59:39

“Acknowledging as I do that perception is ultimately a sizable portion of economic consumer and investor confidence, can the bubble re-inflators really pull this one off? I’m still betting not.”

What’s the saying, first step in a con is confidence? That’s all this is.

I’m a big Meredith Whitney fan, and she keeps pointing to the fundamental problems….continuing job losses (regardless of the pace), credit continues to evaporate (HELOC and CC lines being cut or closed) when consumers are 70% of GDP, states bleeding money when they are 12% of GDP and will only add to the job losses over the coming months. That is not a picture of recovery.

Confidence may be up, but the reality is people who don’t have a job, are tapped out on debt, are having their credit reduced or taken away or who are scared about their job security will not fuel consumer spending.

 
Comment by Jon
2009-05-27 09:15:56

Newspapers & broadcasters get their revenues from advertisements. Advertisements are way down due to the recession. They need to end the recession.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-05-27 11:47:43

Yeah their readers are bored with the recession, just like they got bored with those wars they were in such a hurry to start a scant seven or so years ago.

The whims of the U.S. consumer spin the globe like a Harlem Globetrotter spins a basketball.

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Comment by desertdweller
2009-05-27 13:55:07

ET, you nailed it.

In our culture, ‘we’ get bored easily, and this recession is just about past ‘our’ attention span for hard times. That is probably why we are getting the usual BS floated by, so when ‘we’ are standing inline somewhere, or pumping gas, we can all commiserate but try to feel better/hopeful.

 
 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-05-27 10:24:49

“My interpretation is that everyone believes the recession is ending because, well, so many other people believe the recession is ending, and that’s about it”.

If we just think hard enough, it will happen.. isn’t that something from Peter Pan?

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-05-27 10:43:41

Spring 2009 will go down in history as a pivotal time. The popular conscience has been trained to expect a recovery right about now and the PTB and their MSM stooges are feeding the momentum from that expectation.

For most everyone out there, the thought of a prolonged downturn is simply and utterly incomprehensible.

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Comment by polly
2009-05-27 11:03:41

Think lovely thoughts…

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-05-27 09:07:20

What do you call 99 economist’s at the bottom of the ocean?

aw, you all already know that one… ;-)

Comment by Muggy
2009-05-27 09:09:55

“aw, you all already know that one…”

Better than expected!

Comment by polly
2009-05-27 09:40:06

Muggy, I LOVE that.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-05-27 09:13:15

a good start.

 
Comment by cereal
2009-05-27 10:48:31

“What do you call 99 economist’s at the bottom of the ocean?”

Water pollution?

Comment by desertdweller
2009-05-27 14:00:10

That floating ‘island of debris/plastics’ in the ocean which sunk?

water pollution/99 economists.

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Comment by DennisN
2009-05-27 12:03:45

Speaking of used-lawyer-jokes…..

How many lawyers does it take to shingle a roof?

It depends upon how thinly you slice them.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-05-27 12:28:11

Something that we hope will be revised upwards?

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-05-27 13:29:36

:-)

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-05-27 14:52:10

Hey you guys, I resemble that…

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Comment by packman
2009-05-27 09:27:26

Actually - most of the economists just said “the end is near”, and the NABE surveyors misunderstood what they meant.

 
Comment by milkcrate
2009-05-27 09:35:38

I still need to sell this rally. Haven’t yet.

Comment by Watching the Carnage
2009-05-27 18:50:04

MilkCrate-

Your smarter than me - I never bought this rally…I’m still baffled by it. Ah well - nothing gained…nothing lost.

I’m not sure the history of your MilkCrate moniker, but the wife’s “borrowed” milkcrate college furniture from more than twenty years ago are still in constant use for storage, stools etc. almost as useful as duct tape.

 
 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2009-05-27 10:02:43

You can throw a hell of a party with a couple of trillion dollars. So the recession might ease given all the gubermint cheese thrown at the problem. Of course deficits of 10+% of GPD are not sustainable. Right now “we” are using all means available to postpone the collapse of the Ponzi scheme our economy has become. To me it looks like we might have succeeded to stabelize things temorarily until the day we run out of suckers willing to finance our debt…kind of like GM.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-05-27 14:16:00

At least you can pay the band to keep playing. Take no notice that the partygoers have had a couple of tens of trillions sucked out of them and are getting stiff and moldy.

Comment by DinOR
2009-05-27 15:03:21

The only positive I can see in all of this is that it -finally- forces us to confront our lack of a real economy. My fear is that (if) we are fortunate enough to latch on to something truly meaningful, truly genuine, will we have the energy and conviction to actually pursue it?

For one, I am definitely worn down, most of us are. What if we’ve managed to muddy the waters so hopelessly we wouldn’t be able to spot an opportunity if it jumped right into the boat? And NO “flipping foreclosures” doesn’t count as legit growth engine!

And that’s what keeps on surprising me? Even here where there’s more vision than most, even we are only concerned with working the downside of the bubble only to a point no more than to make a well-timed exit. In ‘that’ regard, how differently are we than the “perma-bulls” and kool-aid drinkers on the way up? Isn’t that what ‘they’ were looking for? A few quick flips and out?

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-05-27 16:11:59

Don’t get all discouraged Din. It’s a change, but we’ll survive. With less no doubt. I did profit off of this boom, and luckily grew tired of the mindless consumption life years ago. My life should only imrove if I am edged out of the game.

The worst danger now IMO, is that the government continues to siphon off the energy and resources of us all to pour into unproductive ventures.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-05-27 16:59:51

Blue Skye,

Just hearing someone… -anyone- say we’ll so much as ’survive’ should be encouraging by any measure! But I’m really not so much worried about myself. I’m really not.

One way of the other, I’ll be out of the game altogether over the next ten years or so anyway. Many posters here will. The only front on which I ‘will’ differ is that if we can’t extinguish this endless speculative fever, we may ‘not’ survive the next one. Hell, we’re only limping thru ‘this’ one a day at a time?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by drumminj
2009-05-27 08:41:55

Don’t know if this was posted earlier - I’ve been out of town all weekend. Saw this headline on my google homepage: Time to Cash Out: Why Paper Money Hurts the Economy

Sure…let’s lose the anonymity of cash and cut the banks in on every financial transaction….

www wired.com/culture/culturereviews/magazine/17-06/st_essay

(I”ll post working link below)

 
 
Comment by Maltose
2009-05-27 08:47:36

I’m listening to Dave Ramsey right now. He sounds like a well rounded person and his debt reduction message seems to help many people. Then he says “now is the best time to buy real estate in the last 30 years”. I can’t believe his is giving this advice and think this could be misleading to many of his devoted listeners.

Comment by drumminj
2009-05-27 08:51:45

I have a friend who’s a big Dave Ramsey fan. She’s working really hard to pay off her car loan - I commend her for that. But as you hint, at the same time she’s chomping at a bit to buy a house - because of low interest rates and because of the tax credit…and because buying a house is how one “builds wealth”.

I’ve tried bringing up all the factors at play with house prices - interest rates, job losses, etc etc…sadly, I don’t have a syndicated radio show so my voice is drowned out.

Comment by Zombie Banks
2009-05-27 09:52:35

San Diego is still a ripoff.
ppsq = ?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 10:28:21

Mr Market wants to kick the price down to affordable levels, but some mysterious 800 lb gorilla with buckets of money and boxes of stupid keeps kicking it back up above $200/sqft. From Radar Logic:

Transaction Period End Date / RPX.SD.1
25-Mar-09 $206.04
24-Mar-09 $188.92
20-Mar-09 $202.92
19-Mar-09 $186.05
18-Mar-09 $191.81
17-Mar-09 $189.22
16-Mar-09 $188.46
13-Mar-09 $202.32
12-Mar-09 $195.30
11-Mar-09 $184.72
10-Mar-09 $186.03
9-Mar-09 $177.47
6-Mar-09 $188.87
5-Mar-09 $198.41
4-Mar-09 $193.13
3-Mar-09 $201.17
2-Mar-09 $196.94

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 10:36:10

The frequency with which ppsf has recently crossed back and forth over the $200 boundary suggests covert manipulation of San Diego housing prices.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 10:37:18

The criss-crossing back and forth over the $200 boundary dates to last fall and continues through the latest data point…

 
Comment by cereal
2009-05-27 11:03:07

Well Bear, we’ll just have to crank up phase 6 of our financial tricks. How about we flood the coastal market with empty homes.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 11:28:24

“How about we flood the coastal market with empty homes.”

Judging by the light traffic in the recently constructed neighborhoods filled with homes supposedly valued at $1m+ through which I commute on a daily basis, I think we are already there.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-05-27 13:39:04

“The frequency with which ppsf has recently crossed back and forth over the $200 boundary suggests covert manipulation of San Diego housing prices.”

PB, I’m not sure I buy the “covert manipulation” theory.

First of all, I’d want to know whether RadarLogic includes foreclosure-sales in their PPSF computation. If they do, that could explain it right there: higher-prices and better areas are becoming an increasing share of foreclosures. That would tend to push the avg PPSF up.

Secondly, it could just be knife-catchers in action: if higher-priced areas are having more distressed sales, and more knife-catchers are buying in higher-priced areas, that could also explain PPSF ticking up in the midst of an overall downtrend.

Thirdly, so much of real-estate is public records (ownership, tax-roles, county filings) that I think it would be a hard market to hide manipulation in. Stock market, sure—easy, since no one knows who owns anything. But in the housing market, it seems like the public nature of the records would make hiding the manipulation very challenging. And they would have to represent a significant chunk of sales to affect the avg PPSF much; the required scale of it make it hard for me to deem manipulation as a credible explanation.

 
Comment by Zombie Banks
2009-05-27 14:47:07

Bring down the averages NOW!

 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2009-05-27 09:54:46

Dave Ramsey is great when it comes to living down spendthrift ways and putting your own economy first but he goes off the rails when it comes to housing. He’s a believer and I’m sure has made alot of money LANDLORDING but his listeners don’t make that distinction, generally speaking.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-05-27 10:01:28

“Then he says “now is the best time to buy real estate in the last 30 years”.”

Even if it were the best time to buy in the last 30 years doesn’t mean it’s a good time to buy or a financially sound decision. It certainly is NOT the best time to buy in San Diego in the past 10 years, much less the past 30.

 
Comment by packman
2009-05-27 10:25:38

Dave’s got the right idea in general about getting out of debt, he just misses the big picture.

So do 99.5% of Americans, though they don’t claim to be financial advisers.

In his defense though - 95% of financial advisers actually don’t get the big picture either. E.g. I had to push hard to get my MIL’s advisor to diversify even a little out of equities and corporate bonds. It’s not really a good thing when your portfolio goes down 40% in 6 months, when you’re 70+ years old; regardless of what the overall market does. Unfortunately I was too late to stem the bulk of the damage.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-05-27 11:33:21

If you keep listening you will hear him say you should only buy a house when you are completely out of debt, have a six month emergency fund that is seperate from your 20% down payment and it has to be a 15 year fixed mortgage with a payment that is no more than 25% of your take home pay. I always laugh because I think what the median house prices would be if everyone did that.

Comment by polly
2009-05-27 11:58:42

I have never heard him drill down with anyone about what is being taken out of their regular pay to get to their take home pay - insurance, retirement contribution, flex spending accounts for medical, child care, etc. It makes a difference. And 25% of take home pay is WAY below even the most conservative requirements of old. They were 28% and of gross, not net (with an additional restriction on other debt payments). Now I personally thing 28% of gross is way too high, especially if you aren’t going to get any help from the interest deduction (very likely for lower earners, especially in a state without an income tax), but 25% of net is extremely skimpy, especially if have already paid for medical/dental and child care and retirement savings before you get to the net.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-05-27 12:02:02

jeff,

Hey, I’m willing to get behind anyone that shares -half- of the stuff Dave discusses. Given everything that’s transpired, yeah, his approach ‘does’ almost seem a little provincial?

But the truth is, for the last 10 years MB’s ( and David Lereah ) had been steering people in a completely different direction! The consumer’s habits have been forever and irreversibly sculpted in ways a radio talk show won’t un-do.

When we had people w/ fluffed up re-fi’d FICO scores in the 7-800’s coming in w/ nothing down..? b/c their MB TOLD them that’s how everyone ‘else’ is doing it..?

Comment by desertdweller
2009-05-27 14:08:14

Called someone on a rental yesterday, and they said, you can fill out an app and THEN they would give me the info.
I do not think so. Nope, just tell me how much. I will decide who gets to see my info.
And they said, they would NOT check with past rental information BUT “I” had to have a minimum of 450 credit score, most of the time.
YIKES>

Another LL was called, they called back to say, call us again and we will give you the information.What? Just answer my question left on message machine..How much?
That pretty much weeds out whether I am interested or not at all.
Not calling back.

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Comment by Leighsong
2009-05-27 18:25:04

Woah - that just smells bad.

Oh dear!

Leigh

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-05-27 08:54:50

Sense from Blodget: (from BusinessInsider)

Phoenix Fixing Its Own Housing Market As Foreclosure Sales Go Crazy
Henry Blodget|May. 24, 2009, 10:18 AM|2
PrintTags: Economy, Housing Crisis, Housing
In Phoenix, the real-estate market is fixing itself with no help from the government.

How? Houses owned by folks who can’t afford to own them are being sold at auction. In some cases, happily, the buyers are then turning around and renting the houses to their previous owners with at rents that are much lower than the previous mortgage payments.

This is the free-market at work. And it’s better than any solution that has so far been floated by the government.

Note the important features of this solution:

Homeowners who can’t afford their houses stop owning them.
The entity dumb enough to lend the homeowner the money to buy the house (or to own the loan) takes the loss.
The bad loan is permanently eliminated, not “modified.”
The homeowner, in some cases, doesn’t even have to leave the house.
The market “clears” fast: Houses that have to be sold get sold, at market prices, instead of piling up as over-supply and continuing to weigh on the market for years.
This is the only solution that has a chance of fixing the housing market rapidly. It will NOT bail out people and banks that paid too much for houses: In most cases, all the equity and some of the debt will be gone. But it fixes the market as fast as possible and paves the way for recovery. And if people can remain in their houses instead of being shoved into the street, the main goal of the government’s bailout will have been achieved.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-05-27 08:56:39

Welcome to Amerika. If you can’t afford it, you better think of a way to buy it. Or… the bank/government will think of way for you an makd you buy it. Consume, damn it!

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-05-27 10:47:47

Have we reached the point in history where a spendthrift consumer is a more valued national asset than a fully trained and outfitted serviceman/woman?

Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-05-27 11:04:28

Consumerism is the highest form of patriotism.

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-05-27 11:07:20

Welcome to the New Frontier, I should also add.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-05-27 12:00:09

Are we not called American consumer?

 
 
Comment by bink
2009-05-27 13:04:55

I keep hearing some promotion related to the Rich Dad, Poor Dad author. They keep telling me “saving won’t make you rich”.

Comment by mikey
2009-05-27 14:19:09

Yes…It MUST BE TRUE, as they say the same thing in Casino’s
;)

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-05-27 09:13:49

Has the Queen of “Great Britain” ever taken back a knighted “Sir” title? :-)

(Hwy’s blogging… listening to Neil Young’s “Living with War”!) ;-)

Quiet children, let’s listen in on the whispered wisdom of Sir Greenisrespun:

“…His verdict on former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan is as astute as it is merciless. A telling moment comes when Ritholtz shows how Greenspan drew the wrong conclusion from the first crisis during his tenure, the crash of ‘87.

“What the astute student learns from the history of speculative frenzies is that the 1987 crash was a unique aberration,” Ritholtz writes. It was a rare combination of a sizzling equity market, a (dangerously) innovative product called portfolio insurance and some antiquated stock-exchange plumbing that together created a short, brutal drop in an otherwise strong economy, he says.

“Greenspan completely missed this point,” he says. “The 1987 crash was the rare exception, not the rule.”

The upshot: Greenspan would respond to crisis after crisis — from LTCM to the popping dot-com bubble — with the same mistaken treatment: more liquidity and lower rates. The Greenspan Put was born.” ;-)

Greenspan Flunks Test, Bush Falls Into $15 Trillion Pit:

Review by James Pressley May 27 (Bloomberg)

Comment by DennisN
2009-05-27 15:26:06

Well there’s Sir Walter Releigh as an example. He was knighted but later on annoyed James I who had him beheaded.

Is that what you are thinking about AG? :)

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-05-27 09:32:34

Filed under: I love you …I love you not! :-)

BWAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Pilot pension scam…

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=13682873&ch=4226720&src=news

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-05-27 12:24:03

Yo - where’s my royalty? ;-)

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-05-27 13:32:43

wait a day or so…I’ll have some GM stock paper I’ll donate to your favorite NYC charity. :-)

BWAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Comment by mikey
2009-05-27 14:20:25

lol :)

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Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-05-27 16:44:16

As bad as the airlines have screwed everybody on their pensions, I say more power to them.

They should ask for a jury trial.

 
 
Comment by tresho
2009-05-27 09:45:52

A General Motors Corp. bankruptcy filing became almost certain after the 100-year-old automaker failed to persuade enough bondholders to take equity in a streamlined company in exchange for $27 billion of debt. “It’s no surprise at all that a deal that was as unattractive as this one would be soundly rejected,” said Pete Hastings, a fixed-income analyst at Morgan Keegan & Co. in Memphis, who had urged his clients to refuse the exchange offer. “The broader market may react to the headline. It’s like watching a train wreck in a horror firm: You see it coming down the tracks. There might be an initial negative reaction but it’s pretty well anticipated.”

 
Comment by james
2009-05-27 09:52:08

You know its silly and slightly paranoid; this bits list came out late and I thought Ben had been silenced.

Ben Jones escapes from Guantanamo Bay!

I don’t know if it will be the deranged real estate agent, FB, crazed bank president or mass of lawsuits that gets him.

Alrighty, got to put on my tin foil hat. Not sure if the aluminum foil is really working.

Comment by bink
2009-05-27 13:02:22

I prefer the original, Ben Jones goes to White Castle.

 
Comment by mikey
2009-05-27 14:28:51

Ben’s cool and he wouldn’t be very happy at Gitmo!

If he ever disappears and “they” claim a “Falling House” got him, I’m for calling MATLOCK :)

 
 
Comment by tresho
2009-05-27 10:08:05

From today’s WSJ dot COM: Stressed municipalities considering disincorporation to escape financial woes.

Comment by drumminj
2009-05-27 12:41:15

Is that a way to allow for them to default on their debt without declaring BK?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 15:18:39

“disincorporation”

Could it work for the State of California? (I recently saw a proposal to break CA into multiple states — a sort of geopolitical divorce of disparate peoples…)

Comment by drumminj
2009-05-27 18:34:58

I was at a wedding in SF this past weekend and heard someone discussing this - the idea of breaking CA into three separate states..

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2009-05-27 10:08:08

The FDIC classified 305 banks with $220 billion in assets as “problem” lenders as of March 31, an increase from 252 with $159 billion in assets in the fourth quarter.

The FDIC said its insurance fund slumped 25 percent to the lowest level since 1993.

Regulators have taken over 36 lenders this year, including BankUnited Financial Corp. in Florida on May 21 and Silverton Bank of Atlanta on May 1, which combined cost the FDIC’s deposit insurance fund $6.2 billion.

Twenty-one banks collapsed in the quarter, the most since late 1992, as the pace of failures accelerated amid the worst crisis since the Great Depression.

Funds set aside by banks to cover loan losses rose 64 percent to $60.9 billion in the first quarter from $37.2 billion in the year-earlier quarter. Bair said 97 percent of banks were “well-capitalized” at the end of the first quarter.

Really

The deposit insurance fund, generated by fees paid by banks, fell to $13 billion from $17.3 billion in the previous quarter, and first-quarter failures cost the fund $2.2 billion, the FDIC said. The FDIC is imposing an emergency fee to raise $5.6 billion to rebuild the fund.

FDIC-insured banks had net income of $7.6 billion in the first quarter compared with a $36.9 billion loss in the fourth. The FDIC said 22 percent of U.S. banks had a net loss and 59 percent reported lower net income compared with a year earlier.

Capital Raising

Bank capital rose to $82.1 billion, the biggest three-month gain since the third quarter of 2004, with most of the increase coming from a “relatively small” number of lenders including recipients of U.S. aid, the FDIC said. “The good news is that banks have been able to raise a lot of new capital even before taking a more aggressive steps to cleanse their balance sheets,” Bair said.

The FDIC insures deposits at 8,246 institutions with $13.5 trillion in assets. The agency reimburses customers for deposits of as much as $250,000 when a bank fails.

Lets see banks have 82 billion in cash/13 trillion or so lent out = 0.006. ie banks have less than 1 cent to cover any losses on their 13 trillion dollars in lending and other activity. Fortunately the FDIC has another 13 billion plus 5.6 billion from a special fee ???. Real estate is still falling in value. Treasury rates are rising.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-05-27 10:08:39

I doubt that anyone is reading past days, but I invited my cousin Nancy from Wyoming to read what we’d all said about her rental property on May 24, and to reply by posting in a more current spot. Instead, she posted a reply May 24 under MY screen name, oh well.

Her point was, an agent’s suggested listing price today is a good deal more than an amount she was actually offered last year; meanwhile she lost 20% on stock holdings, so is feeling good about her RE. Says she is cash-flow positive on the rental house. My attitude would be “Sell out at the top!” — but even here on HBB there was some division about whether rural WYO prices were really vulnerable.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 10:17:46

It’s the inventory and the crashing prices, stupid!

Rise in sales points to U.S. housing bottom
Wed May 27, 2009 12:40pm EDT
INSTANT VIEW: April home sales better than anticipated

By Lucia Mutikani

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Sales of existing homes in the United States rose 2.9 percent in April, according to an industry survey on Wednesday that supported views the three-year housing recession was near a bottom.

The National Association of Realtors said sales climbed to an annual rate of 4.68 million from a 4.55 million pace in March. That was slightly higher than market expectations for a 4.66 million-unit pace.

“Most of the sales are taking place in lower price ranges and activity is beginning to pick-up in the mid-price ranges, but high-end home sales remain sluggish,” NAR chief economist Lawrence Yun told reporters.

Comment by james
2009-05-27 11:51:47

So we should be seeing continual drops in the case-shiller and probable stabalization on the lower end of the market.

I’d guess much of the entry level and new home markets are adjusted to the new reality and the move up market will hold on for a while and stagnate.

Reversion to the mean continues.

At the high end that means the McMansion will not command the premium for the extra square footage. Basically the extra space will just be extra space with little added value. Like having a large lot while living in the desert or something of that nature.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-05-27 13:31:43

A couple of now-deceased friends bought a McMansion back in ‘03. To hear it from the female side of this couple, it truly was their dream house.

But, after they moved in, I heard more than a few complaints about the utility bills. After all, they had 3,700 square feet to heat and cool.

Both the husband and wife died within a year of each other. Last I checked, the house was in the wife’s mother’s name. (She lived in an apartment within the house.)

I can’t help thinking that Harriet (the mother) is having a tough time selling the place.

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-05-27 13:53:42

Except that the large lot in the desert doesn’t cost you anything to maintain or insure. (Unless of course you want to exploit all the available water at your disposal and turn it into a tropical botanical garden of some sort.)

On the other hand that oversized McMansion space has to be heated, cooled, cleaned and otherwise maintained and repaired as necessary.

Comment by SaladSD
2009-05-27 23:28:34

My folks bought a cathedral ceiling home in the 70s, all the rage with bright yellow shag carpeting. It wasn’t that large, maybe 1800 sf, but it was an ordeal to heat. SInce we never ran the furnace through the night,as typical in SoCal, my room got so cold that I’d actually see my breath in the morning. My mom made curtains to cut off the bedroom/living room area and we all huddled into the heated kitchen/family room. I’m just imagining these McMansion owners resorting to the same solution.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 17:07:52

“…probable stabalization on the lower end of the market.”

Zero is a hard lower bound on the market value of a home (unless it proves more economical to bulldoze the structure), but a collapse of the high end will result in lower, not stable, prices for all lower-value housing.

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2009-05-27 10:20:14

May 27 (Bloomberg) — Yields on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgage bonds rose for a fourth day, after yesterday for the first time exceeding where they stood before the Federal Reserve announced it would expand purchases to drive down loan rates.

Yields on Washington-based Fannie Mae’s current-coupon 30- year fixed-rate mortgage bonds climbed to 4.3 percent as of 10:25 a.m. in New York, the highest since March 10 and up from 3.94 percent on May 20, data compiled by Bloomberg show.

The Fed, seeking to use lower home-loans rates to stem the housing slump and bolster consumers, said March 18 it would increase its planned purchases of so-called agency mortgage bonds by $750 billion, to as much as $1.25 trillion, and start buying government notes. Rising mortgage-bond yields, driven higher in part by climbing Treasury rates, means the Fed now “faces a challenge to its ability to sustain low mortgage rates,” according to Jeffrey Rosenberg at Bank of America Corp.

I smell fire

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 11:23:56

Dumb question of the day:

What constrains their ability to run the virtual printing press and use the virtual money to buy down l-t T-bond and MBS yields?

Comment by measton
2009-05-27 12:06:51

Initially

China - Current debt holders may threaten to stop buying or worse sell. Hard to know what’s really happening. From what I’ve read China is still buying but may have shifted to shorter term treasuries - Makes sense as this gives them a bigger gun to threaten US gov. China has been sending some warning shots through the press and former FED officials as well.

Then
Inflation - Current dollar holders dump the dollar.

Comment by packman
2009-05-27 13:08:29

Seems that the first step of our SHTF will be when either us or China says “screw it - we just don’t care about you anymore.”. Either:

U.S.: “Sell all you want - we’ll print more.”, or
China: “We don’t want your debt anymore - here take it back.”

Or some combination thereof.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-05-27 14:25:07

If China and others really pulled in duration and bought only short-term bonds, wouldn’t that put the USG in position for a classic borrow-short/lend-long liquidity trap?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 14:29:38

Thought CH had to support the $US or lose its export market?

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Comment by rms
2009-05-27 20:34:11

Europe is China’s largest market.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 14:49:06

Bond Report
May 27, 2009, 4:12 p.m. EST

Ten-year Treasury yields reach 6-month highs
Mortgage hedging cited for surge; Fed maps next buybacks

By Deborah Levine, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Treasury prices dropped Wednesday, pushing 10-year yields to six-month highs and sharply reversing earlier gains, moves which traders attributed to investors adjusting their holdings in expectation that higher mortgage rates would extend the duration of their portfolio.

Duration is a measure of the sensitivity of the price of a fixed-income asset to a change in interest rates and is partially determined by maturity.

“When mortgage rates go up, people don’t prepay their mortgages so a portfolio of mortgages extend,” said Gary Pollack, head of fixed-income trading at Deutsche Bank’s private-wealth management unit. “If it gets too long, you have to sell something, and you tend to sell Treasurys because they are more liquid.”

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 15:16:39

Why aren’t they quantitatively easing those l-t yields back down? Is it due to constraints, or is part of the plan to recelerate price declines in order to drum the come lately knifecatcher investulators out of the housing market while restoring affordability for the end users?

Perhaps the reasons don’t matter if the eventual results are the same?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 14:52:15

Financial Times
Rising Treasury yields threaten recovery
By Michael Mackenzie in New York
Published: May 27 2009 19:28 | Last updated: May 27 2009 19:28

US Treasury yields rose to their highest level in six months on Wednesday, raising more worries that rising mortgage rates could damp a nascent recovery in the economy.

US benchmark government bonds

The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note reached 3.58 per cent on Wednesday, a level last seen in mid-November. The 10-year note has climbed from 2.9 per cent during the past month and from lows of 2.1 per cent in December.

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Comment by Observer
2009-05-27 10:32:15

Why don’t we ever hear about the “toxic” assets on banks’ balance sheets anymore? A couple months ago this was the big concern and there was much discussion about creating a “bad” bank that would take on all these toxic assets.

Have the toxic assets disappeared with a wave an accounting rule “magic wand”? It seems the market has gone up ever since the mark-to-market rules were suspended.

Are these toxic assets still on the banks’ balance sheets and if so, why are they no longer a concern? Will the issue reappear in the near future?

Comment by desertdweller
2009-05-27 14:17:54

If we don’t talk about our double chins, love handles, and saggy parts, they dont’ exist. Same as the Toxic assets at banks.

As was posted earlier, “think good thoughts”.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 14:28:34

Did the Fed swallow a large share of the toxic MBS?

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-05-27 14:41:37

My impression was that the Fed _didn’t_ swallow, but was instead poised to spit…

I thought that the toxics that they partook of were largely structured as repurchase agreements or collateral, so that the Fed holds it temporarily but intends to return it eventually to the bank from whence it originally came.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 15:13:02

Is there a time limit on “temporarily”?

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-05-27 18:30:28

Ummm…… No. :-)

 
 
Comment by drumminj
2009-05-27 18:38:01

I vaguely recall that at the time there was discussion of the agreement, and the way it was worded is the fed could give back treasuries instead of the posted collateral.

Anyone else recall this?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 23:39:47

Megabank, Inc = toxic asset bagholder.

Wall Street Journal

* MAY 28, 2009

Plan to Buy Banks’ Bad Loans Founders

By DAMIAN PALETTA and DEBORAH SOLOMON

WASHINGTON — A government program designed to rid banks of bad loans, part of a broader effort once viewed as central to tackling the financial crisis, is stalling and may soon be put on hold, according to people familiar with the matter.

FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair on Wednesday said banks may now lack incentive to sell bad loans.

The Legacy Loans Program, being crafted by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., is part of the $1 trillion Public Private Investment Program the Obama administration announced in March as a way to encourage banks to sell securities and loans weighing on their balance sheets to willing investors.

But prospective buyers and sellers have expressed reluctance to the FDIC about participating for fear the program’s rules will change in a political atmosphere hostile to Wall Street. In addition, some banks that might have sold troubled loans into the program earlier in the year have become less eager as they regained a sense of stability.

PPIP was to be split between the FDIC program, which would buy whole loans, and one run by the Treasury Department focusing on securities. Treasury is expected to push ahead with its plan — the larger and more substantial of the two — and could begin purchases sometime this summer. But the size of that program could be smaller than initially envisioned, government officials say.
More

The scaling back of the FDIC program is potentially good and bad news for investors, indicating that the health of the financial system — while improving — remains fragile. Government officials are still concerned about distressed assets, including residential and commercial real-estate loans, which continue to rot banks’ capital. FDIC officials said Wednesday some losses had not yet peaked and government officials believe banks still hadn’t fully recognized the value of some distressed assets on their balance sheet.

But, at the same time, administration officials say they believe the program to purchase toxic securities mightn’t be as integral to a recovery as it once seemed. Markets seem to have stabilized and banks appear more able to digest losses associated with the troubled securities.

The program’s announcement and the release earlier this month of stress-test results of the country’s 19 largest banks helped stabilize public fears about the sector. The stress tests looked closely at banks’ exposure to certain securities, such as real-estate holdings, and required some firms to improve their capital positions to withstand further losses.

Banks have been able to raise close to $40 billion in new capital in the second quarter, stabilizing their financial position.

At a Wednesday news conference to discuss the condition of the banking industry, FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair hinted at the program’s uncertain future, without providing details. “There are a couple of factors that are still at play here as we try and develop this structure,” Ms. Bair said.

She added: “Banks have been able to raise a lot of new capital even before taking more aggressive steps to cleanse their balance sheets, so the incentives to sell may be less.”

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-05-27 10:45:17

Add another $50 billion to the government debt load today… according to sources from The New York Times, the government will give GM $50 billion in order to speedily move the company through bankruptcy court. Potential deals with GM debt holders officially fell through last night, as we forecast, and now Chapter 11 is all but imminent. Should this latest GM bailout come to fruition, the U.S. government is expected to receive a 70% ownership stake in return.

The U.S. government is on track to spend (borrow) over $70 billion on GM’s behalf… crazytown.

“General Motors is worth $879 million,” notes Eric Fry in today’s Rude Awakening. “Facebook is worth $10 billion. What else do you need to know about the strength of the American economy?”

Amen.

Comment by packman
2009-05-27 11:20:15

“General Motors is worth $879 million,” notes Eric Fry in today’s Rude Awakening. “Facebook is worth $10 billion. What else do you need to know about the strength of the American economy?”

Irrelevant comparison. Lots of really big companies go bankrupt even during good times - that doesn’t speak to the economy as a whole. In the long run the value of a company is determined by its earnings, not its revenues.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-05-27 13:33:22

And Facebook commands that valuation because of what? (Help me out here, people.)

Pardon me for raining on the social media parade, but I fail to see why Facebook is valued so highly.

Comment by Carl Morris
2009-05-27 15:46:13

I think it’s because while social media so far sucks, it attracts a ton of eyeballs, and of all the entries so far FB sucks the least. It does have a few positive things going for it, especially the way it handles pictures.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-05-27 15:55:59

But nosy people can get all nosy with their aquaintences. This is worth billions, duh, everyone knows this. And Twitter…

 
 
 
Comment by Walt
2009-05-27 10:45:21

“The number of single-family homes sold in Lee County with the help of a Realtor in April shot up to 1,468, an all-time record, according to statistics released today by the Florida Association of Realtors today.

That number is 81 percent up from April 2008, when 809 homes were sold.

Meanwhile, the median price of a home sold in April was $85,000, down 57 percent from $200,300 a year earlier and about what that figure was 14 years ago.”

http://news-press.com/article/20090527/BUSINESS/90527032/1075

Comment by packman
2009-05-27 11:26:13

Proof the relationship of price and sales. Lower the price enough, and you will get sales.

That’s why sales volume by itself (e.g. today’s NAR data) is meaningless when it’s in the context of plummeting prices. Sales volume is only meaningful if the trend is in the same direction as prices, or with flat prices. I.e.:

- Prices flat or rising, sales up = strong market
- Prices flat or falling, sales down = weak market
- Prices rising, sales down = meaningless; market may be weak or strong or flat
- Prices falling, sales up = meaningless; market may be weak or strong or flat (this is where we are today)

 
 
Comment by whino
2009-05-27 10:47:32

It must be the drop in realtors popping open that bottle in celebration of those fat commissions of yesteryear.

France reports sharp drop in wine, champagne sales

PARIS (AP) — As wallets grew thinner around the world, fans of Bordeaux, Burgundy and Champagne cut back heavily on their purchases of French wine in 2008, according to French government statistics released Tuesday.

French households drank almost 10 percent less wine last year than in 2007, and exports by French vintners sank 15 percent by volume and almost 30 percent by value in the first quarter of 2009, the agriculture ministry reported.

Many experts and vintners have linked the drop in consumption to the global financial downturn. But another set of government numbers released this week show French households have bumped up their purchasing in recent months, and some view the falloff in wine consumption as an emblem of a larger, ongoing cultural shift.

“In the old days, it’s true that we drank 10 times more alcohol,” said Jacques Delpiroux, who runs a Paris brasserie with his wife and has worked in cafes since 1968. “The bars used to be full morning to night.”

In 1960, the average French adult drank almost 175 liters of wine per year — more than four times as much as the average for an entire household in 2008. And wine has been harder hit in recent years than beer or spirits — the French drink only half as much total alcohol today as 50 years ago.

Gone are the wine-drenched lunches of yore, the early-evening bottles of Bordeaux, traditions now relegated to the realm of cultural lore, said Delpiroux. A few years ago he kept his brasserie open for the after-work crowd, but he now shuts the door at 4:30 p.m.

“It wasn’t profitable,” he said. “It didn’t even pay for the lights.”

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/France-reports-sharp-drop-in-apf-15359340.html?.v=1

Comment by Elanor
2009-05-27 11:18:52

Doing the math: 175 liters = 233 bottles at 750 ml per bottle divided by 365 days = 0.64 bottle per day. Almost two thirds of a bottle per day per French adult. That’s a level at which “excess alcohol consumption” comes to mind, n’est-ce pas?

Comment by DennisN
2009-05-27 12:09:40

Why do you think the French have an automaker whose name translates into English as “Lemon”? ;)

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-05-27 14:32:06

“excess alcohol consumption”??

.6 bottles is 3 glasses—hardly extreme levels of consumption.

And the effect varies dramatically with how it is consume.

3 glasses in 1hr == WHEEEE!

3 glasses over the course of a 5 or 6hr evening? Barely a buzz…

Comment by Elanor
2009-05-27 19:59:43

Three glasses of wine in one evening would have me slurring words, dizzy, and eventually passed out on the floor! Heck, even two glasses a day is considered above the ‘moderate consumption’ range for women.

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Comment by hc
2009-05-27 10:52:42


Have the toxic assets disappeared with a wave an accounting rule “magic wand”? It seems the market has gone up ever since the mark-to-market rules were suspended.

Are these toxic assets still on the banks’ balance sheets and if so, why are they no longer a concern? Will the issue reappear in the near future?

The toxic assets default/mature slowly; or only as fast as the foreclosure rate or the REO resell rate. Sure the banks are in technical insolvency, but that’s a distance from being in actual insolvency. With the MTM rules, this is allowed to drag on, which means more walking Zombie/Vampire banks — banks whose any shred money from profitable deals will be used to “fill in” the hole of toxic assets. Imagine new blood of the economy being sucked out of the system, to fill old voids.

This is aka the Japan Lost Decade.

The issue is unlikely to reappear as the same crisis anymore. Now that everything is backed by the Fed/Govt, the next failure , if it occurs, will be something grandiose and spectacular on the scale of fed/govt; like a default of the govt (through inflation or outright default), a destruction of USD (and possibly leading to reissuing the national currency, something like a US Bucks, at some terrible exchange rate), failure of countries and govts outright (no longer banks and individual companies). No matter what, a few things will be true for the next crisis:

1. It will arrive unexpectedly, it will extract maximum pain from the system.
2. It will not be easily “shortable” or “hedgable”; govt laws will change dramatically as crisis builds, expect radical things like confiscation or “mandatory national emergency rescue” mandates like making all 401K go buy US Treasuries, or outlaw ownership of Gold, outlaw ownership of puts or short shares, etc.
3. It will be globally complicit, so no single govt will be the savior. Any country out of line will be forced into bankruptcy / war. Thus every govt will maintain same level of corruptness.

On the other hand, maybe we’ve delayed this “next crisis” sufficiently, so that it will recur (with a vengence) sufficiently far away from this crisis, that people attribute it to some other problem/bubble. (i.e. recur 10 years later, right in the middle of baby boomer’s retirement flood, or something)

 
Comment by Elanor
2009-05-27 10:56:08

Tomorrow is my niece’s graduation from high school. I’ll be driving to west Michigan in the morning. I have a growing feeling of impending doooooom at the thought of spending 4 days around my Realtard BIL, who is up from Florida (SW coast) for his daughter’s graduation. He and my sister are in the final stage of packing up their remaining possessions to move down there. Sis and BIL have lived apart for the past year so their brainy child (class valedictorian, woo hoo!) could finish high school in MI with her friends and her beloved band teacher. BIL really wanted to flee MI, not that I can blame him, but since he could sell used houses just as well in MI as in FL, he could have stuck around one more year.

I haven’t seen him in amost a year. Not sure if I can refrain from punching his lights out while there. So if you next hear from me from jail, you’ll know I was unable to control the impulse to take him out. ;)

At one point last year, I came close to cosigning a mortgage on their house in Florida in an effort to ‘help them out’. Fortunately I came to my senses. *shudder* Now that would really have been Dooooom on several levels!

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-05-27 13:15:59

So if you next hear from me from jail, you’ll know I was unable to control the impulse to take him out.

Some things just have to happen, and there ain’t no way out of it.
So, this being the case, if you need some bail money let me know. :lol:

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-05-27 16:01:53

Greg ADHD _______ Off topic, (what else, with that middle name)?, but…have you ever seen the “Itch and Scratchy” episode, “Why Do Fools Fall in Lava”??

It’s on you tube. You would enjoy it!

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-05-27 16:03:28

Itch = Itchy

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Comment by REhobbyist
2009-05-27 13:27:18

Have fun, Elanor. My niece graduated last week from East Grand Rapids High. I’m very proud of her - headed to U of M with a full tuition scholarship this fall. Her father (my BIL) is a jerk who is heading full tilt to bankruptcy. Could you stop by and smack him on the way to your sister’s house?

Comment by Elanor
2009-05-27 20:02:49

No problem, REH. What is it about GR-area BILs anyway? ;)

Congrats to your niece. Mine was not at all interested in going to the family alma mater (my dad and I both are UM grads) for some reason.

 
 
Comment by polly
2009-05-27 14:47:00

A miss is as good as a mile in this circumstance, Elanor. Maybe even better. Since you didn’t do it the last time, they may never ask you again….

Comment by Elanor
2009-05-27 20:05:34

I’m not afraid of him asking for money. “NO” is a good word to have handy. But if he starts up with the “it’s never been a better time to buy a house” BS, I may just have to shut him up.

 
 
 
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Comment by whino
2009-05-27 15:24:19

From the link:

Some traders fear demand for Treasurys could weaken as the government issues massive amounts of debt to fund its financial and economic rescue programs. The Federal Reserve has said it would buy up to $300 billion in Treasury debt this year as part of its efforts to keep borrowing costs low. But investors are now concerned that the central bank isn’t buying as much as some had hoped.

Everytime I see articles citing the investors being worried about the Government not doing something, within a week they step in and do what these investors are so concerned about. Does this mean the FED will announce more purchases tomarrow? I say Yes!

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-05-27 11:10:42

Put a fork in SD retail RE:

tinyurl dot com / pz2k2y

“Gary London, president of London Group Realty Advisors, said he expects San Diego’s retail real estate market to hurt for at least the next 10 years. And with increasing online retailing, he’s not sure it will ever come back as strong as it was earlier in the decade.”

“It’s going to take at least a decade, except for revamped retail,” London said, adding Internet retail will take an ever-larger bite. “There’s going to be a major compression in this sector for a long time.”

“London said it was simply a case of overbuilding. He said during an approximately three-year period in the middle of the decade when consumer demand had climbed 14 percent, retail construction had increased by 50 percent.”

“And that was in good times. The most important thing is I don’t think consumers are going to spend like they did at least for another decade. They won’t be able to use their homes like they did for equity loans anymore,” London added. “We haven’t begun to see the impact of this yet.”

Comment by DinOR
2009-05-27 12:10:00

SDGreg,

I’d have to say, stick a fork in retail developers? There never was market share to support all this new retail s/f to begin with. Retail development just about everywhere went off the rails. Why? Because there was money to lend!

I know when people point out a difficult env. for Comm. REIT’s the first thing they want to talk about is the retail space. Heloc re-fi $’s ( for as much as we blame them for everything ‘else’ ) probably weren’t much of a factor here at all.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-05-27 11:15:19

It’s good thing that the prices of everything humans need & want are controlled by that mystical global phenomena of: “Supply & Demand”… ;-)

(Hwy thinks Phillipe’s in LA may have to raise their coffee prices above the current .09 cents per cup)

Run Hwy…run! :-)

“…Coffee prices rose to an eight-month high as supplies of arabica beans dwindled from Colombia, the second-largest producer of the variety, and from Central America.”

Coffee Rises to Eight-Month High as Colombian Output Declines :

By Shruti Date Singh May 27 (Bloomberg)

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-05-27 11:22:57

Come on…join in…and sing along:
“On top of spaghetti. All covered with cheese, I lost my poor meatball,…” ;-)

Do they have coin launderettes in Italy?

“…Known as Sicily’s king of supermarkets, Grigoli, 59, is on trial in Marsala for running the food stores and other enterprises at the behest of the Sicilian Mafia.”

“…Unlike over leveraged companies burned in the credit crisis, the Mafia and its cash-based, debt-free business model are breezing through economic hard times. With young, savvy leaders at the helm, organized crime is poised to expand as legitimate companies founder.

“There’s a risk that Mafia organizations can profit from the current crisis by buying control of struggling businesses, infiltrating all regions of the country,”

Mafia Cash Increases Grip on Sinking Italy :

May 27 (Bloomberg) By Steve Scherer and Vernon Silver

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-05-27 11:33:53

There’s that concept again: “Supply & Demand” …it’s almost as efficient as gravity & perpetual motion! ;-)

“…With oil plentiful and demand slack, expectations that OPEC will continue pumping at present levels normally would push prices downward.”

“…The upward trend appeared due to optimism that the U.S. — the world’s largest oil consumer — is emerging from a severe recession.”

“The Saudis have said they can live with oil at $50 a barrel, while supporting the general view of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting that prices of $75 to $80 are needed over the longer term. Price hawks Venezuela and Iran, the No. 2 OPEC producer, have been the most vociferous in support of those levels”

Can a swine oink vociferously? …just wondering… ;-)

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-05-27 12:04:29

Not so brief
A brief history of General Motors Corp.May 27, 2009 2:43 PM ET

All Associated Press news(AP) - Some key events in General Motors’ history:

Sept. 16, 1908 - General Motors Company founded by William C. Durant.

1909 - GM sells 25,000 cars and trucks.

1910 - Durant brings the Buick, Olds, Pontiac, Cadillac, Champion ignition, AC spark plug and other companies into GM. Sales rise 60 percent, but earnings lag. Durant is ousted by bankers as company sinks into debt.

1911 - Electric self-starter first appears on a Cadillac.

1916 - GM incorporated as General Motors Corp. Durant, after founding company that builds Chevrolets, regains control.

1917-19 - GM shifts most truck production to war effort.

1920 - Durant resigns, later files personal bankruptcy and dies running bowling alleys.

1920s - GM creates product policy aiming Buick, Pontiac, Chevrolet, Oldsmobile and Cadillac at five different groups of buyers.

1921 - GM accounts for 12 percent of U.S. car market.

1923 - Alfred P. Sloan named president and chief executive.

1925 - GM acquires Vauxhall Motors Ltd. of Great Britain.

1929 - GM acquires Adam Opel AG of Germany.

1937 - Violent sit-down strikes by GM hourly workers in Flint, Mich., shake company, lead to United Auto Workers representation.

1941 - GM market share grows to 41 percent.

1942 - Civilian auto production halted and plants turned to war effort.

1945-46 - Workers strike for 113 days.

1948 - First automobile fins unveiled, on a Cadillac.

1949 - After purchase of National City Lines of Los Angeles, GM accused of buying streetcar companies since 1920s and replacing them with bus systems. GM is convicted just once, of conspiracy in the Los Angeles case.

1953 - Air conditioning first offered, on a Cadillac.

1954 - GM’s U.S. market share reaches 54 percent. Company makes 50 millionth car.

1955 - GM introduces Chevrolet V-8 engine.

1956 - Sloan retires as chairman.

1960 - Reacting to invasion of small European cars, GM introduces Chevrolet Corvair. Car later attacked by Ralph Nader, who wrote book “Unsafe at Any Speed” that led to congressional auto safety hearings.

1979 - GM’s U.S. employment peaks at 618,365, making it the largest private employer in the country. Worldwide employment is 853,000. Decade features sales decline, recession, Arab oil embargo and gains by Japanese automakers.

1980 - Roger B. Smith named chairman. GM loses more than $750 million as car and truck sales plunge 26 percent.

1981 - GM consolidates truck, bus and van operations. Auto workers bash Japanese cars with sledge hammers. Company earns $333.4 million on $62.7 billion in revenue.

1983 - GM and Toyota Motor Corp. of Japan form joint venture to build cars at a GM-owned plant in Fremont, Calif. Smith announces Saturn project to fight Japanese cars. GM makes $3.7 billion.

1984 - GM overhauls North American organization; acquires Electronic Data Systems Corp., owned by Texas billionaire H. Ross Perot, for $2.5 billion. Earnings rise to $4.5 billion on revenue of $84.9 billion.

1985 - Company forms new Saturn Corp. subsidiary. GM acquires Hughes Aircraft Co. for $5 billion. GM makes $4 billion.

1986 - GM announces plans to close 11 U.S. plants. Employment grows to 877,000 as earnings fall to $3.9 billion. After infighting, Perot resigns from board and gets $700 million in severance.

1987 - GM and UAW reach contract prohibiting closure of a plant unless its product sales fall. Earnings rise to $3.6 billion.

1988 - Earnings rise to $4.6 billion and revenue hits $123.6 billion. Employment drops to 766,000.

1989 - GM complies with federal regulations and equips about 15 percent of fleet with driver’s air bags, blames devices for boosting car prices. Profits fall to $4.2 billion.

1990 - GM and Saab-Scania AB of Sweden form joint venture to make cars in Europe. Smith retires as chairman, succeeded by President Robert Stempel. GM launches Saturn, takes $2.1 billion charge for four plant closings, and profits fall to $102 million as auto sales plummet.

1991 - Company loses industry record $4.45 billion. Stempel announces GM will close 21 plants over the next few years and eliminate 9,000 salaried and 15,000 hourly jobs in 1992, in addition to layoffs at shuttered plants.

1992 - Board strips some of Stempel’s authority. Stempel later resigns, saying rumors about his future compromised his ability to lead. Jack Smith gets title of chief executive officer and outside director John Smale is named chairman.

1996 - GM spins off Electronic Data Systems as a separate company.

1997 - GM sells defense electronics business of Hughes Electronics to Raytheon and merges Hughes’ auto parts business with Delphi Automotive Systems (now Delphi Corp.).

1998 - Strikes at two Michigan parts plants shut down almost all North American production.

1999 - Delphi is spun off as a separate company. GM purchases rights to the Hummer brand from AM General.

2000 - President Rick Wagoner replaces Smith as CEO. GM cuts 10 percent of white-collar employment.

2002 - GM spends $251 million on 42 percent stake in South Korea’s bankrupt Daewoo Motor and names it GM Daewoo Auto & Technology Co. Stake later increased to 51 percent.

2003 - GM sells defense unit to General Dynamics Corp. for $1.1 billion and sells 20 percent stake in Hughes Electronics to News Corp. for $3.1 billion.

2004 - Last model year for Oldsmobile.

2006 - About 47,600 GM and Delphi hourly workers take buyout or early retirement offers. GM investor Kirk Kerkorian suggests alliance with Nissan and Renault, which GM’s board examines and rejects; Kerkorian sells much of his stake. GM sells 51 percent stake in GMAC Financial Services to group led by Cerberus Capital Management LP for $14 billion.

2007 - GM loses $38.7 billion, including $39 billion third-quarter charge for unused tax credits. It’s the largest annual loss in auto industry history. GM reaches historic contract with United Auto Workers that shifts billions in retiree health care expenses to union-administered trust. Company agrees to pay $33.7 billion into trust. Contract also lets company pay some new hires $14 per hour. U.S. market share is 23.7 percent. GM sells Allison Transmission to The Carlyle Group and Onex Corp. for $5.6 billion.

2008 - Gas prices hit $4 per gallon and truck sales plummet. GM announces plan to close four pickup and sport utility vehicle factories, plans to shed 8,350 jobs. Hummer brand put up for sale. By fall, executives begin asking congressional leaders for aid. GM and Chrysler talk about a merger, but talks die down as both companies’ sales continue to fall on U.S. and worldwide recession woes. By December, GM tells Congress it needs $18 billion to stay afloat. It receives $13.4 billion, and racks up a $30.9 billion annual loss and burns through $19.2 billion.

2009 - The Obama administration takes office in January. On Feb. 17, GM says it will need a total of $30 billion and its Saab unit files for bankruptcy in Sweden. In its restructuring plan presented to the U.S. government, GM say it will only keep Saturn running through 2011, but it’s open to the possibility of spinning off the money-losing brand to retailers or investors. Discussions are ongoing.

March 30 — President Barack Obama — a day after firing CEO Rick Wagoner — tells GM it hasn’t done enough to restructure and gives the company until June 1 to make aggressive cuts. Chief Operating Officer Fritz Henderson takes over as CEO. Board member Kent Kresa becomes interim chairman.

April 27 — GM asks 90 percent of its bondholders to participate in a debt-for-equity swap to rid the company of $24 billion by giving them 225 shares for every $1,000 in bond for a combined 10 percent stake in the company. Existing shareholders would end up with 1 percent of the company following the issuance of 62 billion new shares and a 100-for-1 reverse stock split. GM also says it will end the Pontiac line.

May 7 — GM reports a first quarter loss of $6 billion, with revenue falling by more than half.

May 15 — GM says it will end contracts with about 1,100 dealers.

May 26 — UAW agrees to job cuts, 14 plant closures, and a 20 percent equity stake in the company to cover retiree health care costs. Members are expected to vote on the changes by the end of the week.

May 27 — GM says debt exchange offer has failed. Bankruptcy appears likely, as GM tries to get all parties to agree to new, leaner terms before June 1. Government loans now total $19.4 billion.

Comment by Muggy
2009-05-27 13:24:26

I watched Schiff’s comments on this last Friday. All of this put’s Ford at a disadvantage. That sucks.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-28 00:15:30

Oh, no, this is part of the American way:

Penalize the effective, and subsidize the incompetent.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 14:24:15

“1908 … 2009″

How does 101 years compare with the lifespan of other American companies?

Comment by jeff saturday
2009-05-27 14:57:07

5 years short of Ford

NPR.org, January 23, 2006 · Since the company’s founding in 1903, the name Ford has been synonymous with the automotive industry. Company founder Henry Ford Sr. became known for innovation, transforming cars into commodities for the masses and his company into an American icon. Below, selected milestones from the company’s history:

June 16, 1903: Henry Ford and 11 investors sign articles of incorporation for Ford Motor Company in Michigan.

Oct. 1, 1908: Ford introduces the Model T, which became one of the most popular cars in the world. Production officially ended in May 1927 after total world production of 15,458,781.

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-05-27 17:49:41

Top Ten Bonehead Decisions made by GM, 1970-2009

-1970, Chevrolet Vega Aluminum Block……The Vega wasn’t that bad of a car, compared to all of the other small, inexpensive cars of the time. But by not putting cast iron cylinder liners in the aluminum block, it continued GM’s rep for under-engineered small cars.

-1978, Chevy engines in Pontiacs and Buicks…….The Chevy engine was arguably a better engine. By using a Chevy engine in a upscale car, it made their customer’s wonder why they were paying a premium for a Pontiac, Olds, or Cadillac. They would have been better off putting a Cadillac engine in a Chevy as a “premium option”.

-1982-2005 Chevy Cavalier………Never better than average, all three generations stayed into production way too long.

-1984-87 Pontiac Fiero….A Classic of typical GM mismanagement; car was released to the public underdeveloped. by the time GM engineering had worked thru all the issues and turned it into a fairly decent car, the decision was made to cancel production

-1987, End of the G-Body……Decision to terminate development and production of the G-Body midsize, front-engine, rear drive cars.

These cars were popular right up to the time they stopped making them. The decision to replace them with a front engine, front drive platform basically threw away a market they could ill-afford to lose, while their entries into the front-drive midsize market were never competitive with the Ford Taurus, Honda Accord, and Toyota Camry.

-1980s Acquisition Binge…….Acquisitions of EDS and Hughes distracted management from the core business, and used manpower and money that could have been used elsewhere.

-1990 Saturn Division…… Decision made to start new division from scratch, money and effort that could/should have been spent on Pontiac-Olds-Buick.

The only real distinguishing feature of this division was the “Customer friendly, No-haggle Dealership Experience”…….which could have been duplicated for a lot less money (compared to starting from scratch) at Pontiac or Olds.

-1993 Camaro/Firebird……..Completion of the process of turning the Camaro into an inexpensive “pony car” into an overpriced, 4-seat Corvette. It was technically superior to it’s Ford Mustang competition, but it cost significantly more.

-1996, End of the Chevy Impala……Decision made to convert Arlington, Texas assembly plant to production of SUVs

Decision was valid in the short run, if the facts about future fuel consumption, and the nationwide glut of SUV production 2000-2005 is ignored. This decision finished GM in the “premium” front-engine, rear wheel drive market, and gave the “police/government/limosine” market to Ford.

-2000, Pontiac Aztek………the absolute bottom of the barrel for GM styling. The fact that a vehicle this ugly actually made production convinced many people that GM was fatally flawed.

Comment by robin
2009-05-27 23:06:02

Testify!!!

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-05-27 12:21:51

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Oil prices rose to a six-month high near $64 a barrel on Wednesday after Saudi Arabia, OPEC’s biggest member, said the global economy had strengthened enough to cope with oil at $75 to $80 a barrel.

U.S. crude oil for July delivery rose $1.25 to $63.70 a barrel by 12:30 p.m. EDT, after hitting $63.82, the highest level since mid-November. London Brent crude rose $1.37 to $62.61 a barrel.

Saudi Oil Minister Ali al-Naimi, speaking on the eve of a meeting of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries in Vienna, said oil prices would continue to rise and that the global economy was now strong enough to support $75-$80 oil.

“The price rise is a function of optimism. Better things are coming in the future,” Naimi told reporters in Vienna.

The minister said OPEC did not need to change its output policy. The group already has agree to remove 4.2 million barrels per day of oil from the market in a bid to shore up prices battered by recession.

The U.S. Energy Information Administration reacted to the Saudi comment by saying higher oil prices would be detrimental to the economic recovery.

“I certainly would think that we are still in some pretty thick economic woods, and that it would make sense to not to push things with respect to oil markets,” the acting head of the EIA, Howard Gruenspecht, said.

Bolstering the market, U.S. housing data showed the pace of sales of existing homes in the United States rose 2.9 percent in April, supporting views that the three-year housing recession was near a bottom.

But weakness in the U.S. stock market tempered oil’s strength. Wall Street shares declined amid gloom around General Motors as it inched closer to bankruptcy.

“Everyone talks about green shoots, but we’re not completely out of the woods. To see a real price rally we’ll need to see a larger pick-up in demand,” VTB Capital analyst Andrey Kryuchenkov said.

Global oil demand is seen falling this year at the fastest rate since 1981, with the International Energy Agency, adviser to 28 industrial nations, predicting a decline of 2.56 million barrels per day.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 14:20:44

What happened to oil demand after 1981? Didn’t it crash to the bottom of the sea? Ben, am I recalling correctly that the post-1981 decade was when the Texas oil patch (and related housing markets) saw really tough times?

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-05-27 18:38:04

Correct. The early 80s were bloody for Texas and Louisiana as well.

Apartment rents crashed so badly when I was in college in Louisiana in ‘83 that it made financial sense to move off campus; the private market was WAY cheaper than the dorms. So 3 friends and I did so: we scored a 3 BR apartment for $315/mo! Super-cheap when split 4 ways! :-)

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 23:32:33

So, despite the surrealistic and highly premature “green shoots” happy talk out of the Fed’s econoganda mouthpiece, do you think a repeat of the early 1980’s Texas housing bust is underway, except this time for the whole planet, or at least the parts with developed housing markets?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 23:36:59

Awesome! What’s to stop apartment rents from crashing just as hard over the next 1/2 decade, right along side housing prices?

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Comment by measton
2009-05-27 13:18:28

However, don’t worry about losing the money in your checking account if your bank goes under. Congress has already approved a $500 billion line of credit to the FDIC. Without a doubt, that line of credit is going to have to be tapped. This does emphasize the insanity of having the FDIC provide the guarantees for the PPIP [Public-Private Investment Program]. The fund simply does not have the resources available to do it. The money for the inevitable large losses that the fund will take on the program will come from that line of credit.

The prospect of the FDIC paying back that loan anytime soon from increased assessments on the banks is extremely remote. This is simply a back-door bailout of the FDIC, structured as a line of credit so it does not increase the reported budget deficit.

Using the FDIC to backstop the PPIP program is simply a way to bypass Congress. There is no way that Congress could not have approved the line of credit and let the FDIC become insolvent. By all rights, the assessments on the banks should be raised to make up for the shortfall in the FDIC, but now is not exactly the time to do it, since it would simply deplete their capital at a time when they desperately need to improve their capital base.

To bring the fund up to a more normal 1.2% of insured assets would require $44.8 billion, not counting the losses that the fund has incurred so far in the second quarter, or any subsequent losses. That would be a pretty hefty tax for the banks to pay. Still, fairness demands that it be paid by the banks, not by the general taxpayer.

Fairness demands, how quaint.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-05-27 14:49:05

U.S. job market may need 5 years to fully heal…

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. housing bust and auto sector upheaval have left hundreds of thousands of workers looking for jobs in the same sectors, in the same places, and at the same time.

Some of these jobs won’t come back even after the recession ends because Americans are unlikely to buy as many new homes or cars as they did at the peak of the easy-money days.

The result is that it may be several years before the United States returns to full employment — and even then the jobless rate may not get back to the low 4.9 percent level where it stood when the recession began in December 2007.

“I don’t think we’re going back there any time soon,” said James Galbraith, an economist who teaches at the University of Texas’ LBJ School of Public Affairs. He thinks unemployment may stay “close to 10 percent for quite a long time.”

Persistently high unemployment would be problematic for President Barack Obama, who has made creating or saving jobs the measure of success for a $787 billion stimulus package.

It would also complicate policy for the Federal Reserve, the U.S. central bank, which is supposed to promote full employment and keep inflation in check. Eventually, the Fed will want to raise short-term interest rates from their current level near zero, but it will be hard-pressed to do so while the jobless rate remains abnormally high.

Unemployment normally rises in recessions. What makes the current episode worrisome is that the biggest job losses are heavily concentrated, both in terms of sectors and geography.

The worst of the auto sector job cuts are in the U.S. Midwest, and a large portion of the out-of-work home builders are in Florida and California. The areas with low unemployment include low-population states like Wyoming and South Dakota.

This suggests that not only are there too few jobs to go around, but there is also a mismatch between where the workers are and where the jobs are.

GONE FOR GOOD

Take residential construction, for example. At the top of the real estate market, housing starts surpassed 2 million. They are now running at less than a quarter of that rate, according to U.S. Commerce Department data.

There were more than 1 million people employed in U.S. residential construction in 2006. As of April 2009, that total was down to 711,000, Labor Department data shows.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 16:32:33

No housing recovery until the job market heals.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-05-27 17:18:16

Since making houses was our main business…….

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 17:20:15

Is it the chicken or the egg that has reared its ugly head?

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-05-27 20:55:21

They are both extinct.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-05-27 20:55:22

They are both extinct.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by dreaming 09
2009-05-27 14:51:17

I just wanted to vent here. We are waiting in the West Los Angeles area, but sometimes check out the local listings. There is one house that requiring a preapproval letter before a showing. Well, we got curious and decided to go ahead and get the preapproval letter. I talked to the realtor last night, and mentioned that the house had been on the market for almost a year. Now I get this defensive e-mail stating that the only reason the house hasn’t sold is because for the last four months the bank hasn’t been lending money. He bolded and highlighted a previously rejected offer, to let me know that they were only going to accept a full offer. Don’t even want to see it anymore…argh!

Comment by anachronist
2009-05-27 17:01:02

Yeah, we are waiting in West LA too. I don’t think prices are ever coming down. I’m half seriously considering moving to another state, but our incomes are tied to this area and I doubt I could make half as much elsewhere. But really, I can’t afford to pay 650k for a crack house in west la. Why didn’t I just take the blue pill back in ‘03?????

Comment by rms
2009-05-27 20:01:32

“I don’t think prices are ever coming down.”

Patience, Grasshopper. This isn’t just a housing bust; it’s the beginning of the end of the baby boomer’s reign. Also, the Alt-A and Option-ARM reset storm is just about to hit, and it will leave a very profound impression on the country. The folks to be wiped-out next are the 20/30-somethings with a college degree who work 40-hr/wk , not your typical sub-prime ver‏min. We’re now eating our young.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 23:26:53

“This isn’t just a housing bust; it’s the beginning of the end of the baby boomer’s reign.”

The longer I see housing prices crash at the all-time highest rate in U.S. history against the backdrop of a manmade bullsh!t blizzard originating at the highest level of the Fed hierarchy, the more convinced I become of Ben Jones’ assertion that there is nothing, and I mean nothing, the Fed can do to stop this crash in progress. The only thing they can do (and are doing) is to drag it out.

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Comment by are they crazy
2009-05-27 21:45:00

Parts of 90024 have always been spendy. Grew up in 90024 near UCLA. In 1982, my parents’ house had jumped up to over $1M. When my mom was finally forced to sell it in 91, she only got $725K. Bought in 1960 for $52K. Zillow says $1,911,000 now and there’s been no additions to it.

 
 
 
Comment by MrBubble
2009-05-27 15:09:43
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 16:06:04

“I am 100 percent sure that the U.S. will go into hyperinflation,” Faber said. “The problem with government debt growing so much is that when the time will come and the Fed should increase interest rates, they will be very reluctant to do so and so inflation will start to accelerate.”

Where does he get this?That’s not how the 1970s inflation episode ended. Is Faber saying ‘it’s different this time’?

P.S. Interest rates are already showing signs of increasing. I am more inclined to suspect the Fed will try to let the pressure slowly escape out of the interest rate pressure cooker, a nice complement to the slow decline of housing prices back to affordable levels. As long as price adjustment is glacially slow, there will not be a catastrophic meltdown.

Comment by packman
2009-05-27 19:19:39

Where does he get this?That’s not how the 1970s inflation episode ended. Is Faber saying ‘it’s different this time’?

Yes - way, way different. (Maybe your question was tongue-in cheek?) The 70’s recessions weren’t nearly as bad, and generally were *caused* by high interest rates (link to follow). Thus the luxury existed to then lower rates to get us out of the recession.

This time we are still deep mired in recession even after rates are already at historic lows, and housing prices are still very high. So we don’t have the luxury of raising rates.

If things continue as they are - with rates going up (e.g. mortgage rates went up a bunch today) - the housing market, and the economy as a whole, will lose all signs of green shoots and will start plummeting even faster than it had been. The PTB can’t afford that.

Rock and a hard place.

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2009-05-27 19:23:42
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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 23:22:13

Now that you point it out, we are at the opposite end of the 60 year interest rate cycle from where we were in 1980. And the Fed is pushing on a string which will not budge.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 23:23:41

And no amount of bullsh!t will move this string, either. (Pardon the French, gang — I guess I drank too much at dinner tonight…).

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 23:20:18

“Maybe your question was tongue-in cheek?”

Si amigo.

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-05-27 15:32:33

On yesterdays post, I missed. I think Faster is just fine as well. A very intelligent person who has added insight to my mind.

 
Comment by Zombie Banks
2009-05-27 16:01:43

If there is a new value added national sales tax…will they tax rent and dentist visits?

 
Comment by Ria Rhodes
2009-05-27 16:36:44

Random thoughts that have nothing to do with this blog:

These are good times for businesses that deal in sin. Tough times equate to higher drug and alcohol use. Why would anyone hold auto and bank investment risk when you can hold sin shares? Big government is not in the least shy to tax and spend on sin (so why shouldn’t we profit too?), and kudos on that name change to “Altria” - no name brand connection to cancer patients hooked to a respirator and morphine drip waiting to be zipped into a body bag. Don’t look for any big tobacco or tax spending bureaucrat to sit vigil in the palliative care rooms comforting the dying. Perhaps the height of Western ingenuity is the combo pharmacy/booze drive through store. God I love free enterprise and personal responsibility. Make mine a Dublin brewed Guinness - you can have the smokes and dope!

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 17:02:52

Debtbeats will default.

Financial Times
JPMorgan warns on credit card woes
By Henny Sender and Saskia Scholtes in New York
Published: May 27 2009 18:46 | Last updated: May 27 2009 22:01

Jamie Dimon, JPMorgan Chase chief executive, warned on Wednesday that loss rates on the credit card loans of Washington Mutual, the troubled bank acquired last year by JPMorgan, could climb to 24 per cent by the year end.

In the past, credit card loss rates have tracked the unemployment rate but that relationship has been breaking down for more troubled credit card portfolios, such as the $25.9bn in WaMu credit card loans.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 23:18:58

I guess Jamie boy will soon be expetin’ another bailout of some sort, to compensate him for that disastrous 24 pct credit card default rate?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 17:16:12

Housing prices have taken a long ride in the wayback machine, with mortgage debt inexorably to soon follow. And I note that not all MSM sources prefer to keep elephants hidden under the living room rug.

The $4 trillion housing headache

House prices have returned to 2002 levels, but mortgage debt hasn’t deflated from its bubbly highs.

By Colin Barr, senior writer
May 27, 2009: 4:05 PM ET

Alan Greenspan has warned that the problems for banks may not be over.

NEW YORK (Fortune) — House prices are taking a long ride in the wayback machine. Unfortunately, Americans’ housing-related debt isn’t going anywhere fast.

Prices in big U.S. cities posted their biggest-ever decline in the first quarter, according to the most recent S&P/Case-Shiller National Home Price index. After nearly three years of declines, house prices nationwide are back at 2002 levels — and still falling.

Yet as bad as that is for overburdened homeowners and their bankers, the mighty mountain of mortgage debt Americans have taken on is an even bigger concern - especially for those who believe an economic recovery is in sight.

Even though the amount of home mortgage debt outstanding declined in 2008 for the first time since the Federal Reserve started keeping track in 1945, mortgage debt levels remain distressingly high.

Home mortgage debt outstanding was 73% of gross domestic product last year, according to government data. That’s the third-highest reading on record, after the 75%-plus bubble years of 2006 and 2007.

Getting that ratio down to a more manageable number will mean more lean years ahead, as Americans further cut spending to rebuild their savings and banks struggle to boost their capital amid heavy loan losses.

How long this process might take is a key question for those trying to gauge the prospects for an economic recovery.

To get the mortgage debt-to-GDP ratio down to a more normal level such as the 46% average of the 1990s, Americans would have to cut their mortgage debt to $6.6 trillion from $10.5 trillion at the end of 2008. The last time the national mortgage debt count was below $7 trillion was 2003, according to Federal Reserve data.

We might call this mortgage overhang the $4 trillion elephant in the room for policymakers, who have spent the past year injecting liquidity into the economy - a course of action that will do little to solve the problem of too much debt.

Comment by combotechie
2009-05-27 20:32:11

“Unfortunatly, American’s housing-related debt isn’t going anywhere fast.”

Yeah it is; It’s going back into thin air from whence it came.

Poof.

 
 
Comment by whino
2009-05-27 18:16:33

This is an article from the Wall St Journal, but you have to have a subscription to read it in full. Does anyone here have one? If so, could you post the good parts?

This was predicted by FPSS long ago! :-D

Plan to Buy Banks’ Bad Loans Founders

WASHINGTON — A government program designed to rid banks of bad loans, part of a broader effort once viewed as central to tackling the financial crisis, is stalling and may soon be put on hold, according to people familiar with the matter.

The Legacy Loans Program, being crafted by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., is part of the $1 trillion Public Private Investment Program the Obama administration announced in March as a way to encourage banks to sell securities and loans weighing on their balance sheets to willing investors.

But prospective buyers and sellers have expressed reticence to the FDIC …

Comment by rms
2009-05-27 19:40:36

“Public Private Investment Program”

This is a total scam; the “approved buyers” are bleeding our country dry.

Comment by combotechie
2009-05-27 20:27:42

Some of the banks want to use taxpayer money to buy up some of the stuff they are selling.

For pennies on the dollar, of course.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 23:16:19

Hosers get hosed! Enjoy choking on your own vomit, Megabank, Inc!!! Wake me up when housing is available at fire sale prices…

Wall Street Journal
* MAY 28, 2009

Plan to Buy Banks’ Bad Loans Founders
By DAMIAN PALETTA and DEBORAH SOLOMON

WASHINGTON — A government program designed to rid banks of bad loans, part of a broader effort once viewed as central to tackling the financial crisis, is stalling and may soon be put on hold, according to people familiar with the matter.

FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair on Wednesday said banks may now lack incentive to sell bad loans.

The Legacy Loans Program, being crafted by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., is part of the $1 trillion Public Private Investment Program the Obama administration announced in March as a way to encourage banks to sell securities and loans weighing on their balance sheets to willing investors.

But prospective buyers and sellers have expressed reluctance to the FDIC about participating for fear the program’s rules will change in a political atmosphere hostile to Wall Street. In addition, some banks that might have sold troubled loans into the program earlier in the year have become less eager as they regained a sense of stability.

PPIP was to be split between the FDIC program, which would buy whole loans, and one run by the Treasury Department focusing on securities. Treasury is expected to push ahead with its plan — the larger and more substantial of the two — and could begin purchases sometime this summer. But the size of that program could be smaller than initially envisioned, government officials say.

The scaling back of the FDIC program is potentially good and bad news for investors, indicating that the health of the financial system — while improving — remains fragile. Government officials are still concerned about distressed assets, including residential and commercial real-estate loans, which continue to rot banks’ capital. FDIC officials said Wednesday some losses had not yet peaked and government officials believe banks still hadn’t fully recognized the value of some distressed assets on their balance sheet.

But, at the same time, administration officials say they believe the program to purchase toxic securities mightn’t be as integral to a recovery as it once seemed. Markets seem to have stabilized and banks appear more able to digest losses associated with the troubled securities.

The program’s announcement and the release earlier this month of stress-test results of the country’s 19 largest banks helped stabilize public fears about the sector. The stress tests looked closely at banks’ exposure to certain securities, such as real-estate holdings, and required some firms to improve their capital positions to withstand further losses.

Banks have been able to raise close to $40 billion in new capital in the second quarter, stabilizing their financial position.

At a Wednesday news conference to discuss the condition of the banking industry, FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair hinted at the program’s uncertain future, without providing details. “There are a couple of factors that are still at play here as we try and develop this structure,” Ms. Bair said.

She added: “Banks have been able to raise a lot of new capital even before taking more aggressive steps to cleanse their balance sheets, so the incentives to sell may be less.”

 
 
Comment by measton
2009-05-27 19:31:23

Green shoots in Japan?

May 28 (Bloomberg) — Japan’s retail sales fell for an eighth month in April as worsening job prospects and declining wages deterred shoppers.

Sales slid 2.9 percent from a year earlier after decreasing a revised 3.8 percent in March, the Trade Ministry said today in Tokyo. Economists surveyed by Bloomberg News predicted a 3.3 percent drop.

The worst postwar recession is spreading to households, whose outlays account for more than half of the economy. Japan may struggle to return to a sustainable growth path as long as companies from Toyota Motor Corp. to Panasonic Corp. keep cutting jobs to minimize losses.

“Consumer spending is too weak to support a recovery, given the deterioration in the job market,” said Kyohei Morita, chief economist at Barclays Capital in Tokyo. “Japan’s economy will remain fragile in the absence of stronger domestic demand.”

The yen traded at 95.79 per dollar as of 9:37 a.m. in Tokyo from 95.63 before the report. The Nikkei 225 Stock Average fell 0.1 percent.

Sales at large retailers tumbled 6.7 percent as operators of department stores and supermarkets discounted to attract customers, said Shinichiro Kobayashi, director of statistics at the Trade Ministry.

Isetan Mitsukoshi

Isetan Mitsukoshi Holdings, Japan’s biggest department store operator, forecasts a 90 percent decline in profit this fiscal year.

From a month earlier, sales climbed 0.6 percent, the first gain in eight months, as the government began distributing 12,000 yen ($125 to each resident as part of its efforts to stimulate the world’s second-largest economy. Taro Aso’s administration has also slashed highway tolls and on May 15 started to offer incentives for purchasers of environment- friendly televisions, refrigerators and air-conditioners.

The unemployment rate surged 0.4 percentage point to 4.8 percent in March, the biggest increase since 1967, and analysts expect a report this week will show it rose to a five-year high of 5 percent in April. Nikon Corp., the world’s second-biggest maker of cameras used by hobbyists and professionals, will eliminate 1,000 jobs, the company said this week.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-27 23:45:28

The Fed’s War on Savers is beginning to look a bit long in the teeth now that the bond market is on high alert for potential future hyperinflation. Watch the Fed fumble all over itself going forward with insistence that “nobody could have seen” rising long-term interest rates coming…

Wall Street Journal

* REVIEW & OUTLOOK
* MAY 28, 2009

The Bond Vigilantes
The disciplanarians of U.S. policy makers return.

They’re back. We refer to the global investors once known as the bond vigilantes, who demanded higher Treasury bond yields from the late 1970s through the 1990s whenever inflation fears popped up, and as a result disciplined U.S. policy makers. The vigilantes vanished earlier this decade amid the credit mania, but they appear to be returning with a vengeance now that Congress and the Federal Reserve have flooded the world with dollars to beat the recession.

Treasury yields leapt again yesterday at the long end, with the 10-year note climbing above 3.7%, its highest close since November. Treasury yields had stayed low, and the dollar had remained strong, as long as investors were looking for the safest financial port amid the post-September panic. But as risk aversion subsides, and investors return to corporate bonds and other assets, investors are now calculating the risks of renewed dollar inflation.

They have cause to be worried, given Washington’s astonishing bet on fiscal and monetary reflation. The Obama Administration’s epic spending spree means the Treasury will have to float trillions of dollars in new debt in the next two or three years alone. Meanwhile, the Fed has gone beyond cutting rates to directly purchasing such financial assets as mortgage-backed securities, as well as directly monetizing federal debt by buying Treasurys for the first time in half a century. No wonder the Chinese and other dollar asset holders are nervous. They wonder — as do we — whether the unspoken Beltway strategy is to pay off this debt by inflating away its value.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-28 00:24:17

As a reward for miserable ineptitude beyond belief in regulating the lending sector during the housing market mania meltup, the proposal in the works would make Fed the Übermensch banking regulator. This seems in keeping with Uncle Sam’s central governing principles:

- Punish comptitude;
- Reward ineptance.

Fed would serve as risk regulator under Obama plan
By JIM KUHNHENN, The Associated Press

8:41 p.m. May 27, 2009

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is proposing that the Federal Reserve serve as an all-seeing regulator to detect activities that could pose risks to the entire financial system.

Under a plan circulating among key lawmakers, the administration also is recommending a new agency to protect consumers and another aimed at protecting investors and maintaining the integrity of the markets. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. would get expanded authority to unwind troubled bank holding companies and a new government agency would conduct “prudential regulation,” supervising state and federally chartered depository institutions, bank holding companies and insurance companies.

The sweeping proposals are part of six regulatory overhaul recommendations designed to address weaknesses in the financial system that contributed to the current crisis. People familiar with the plan say details still need to be hammered out. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the proposals aren’t final.

“The president is committed to signing a regulatory reform package by the end of the year and officials at the White House and the Treasury department are continuing work with Congress on the final phases of a proposal,” White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Wednesday. “But there is no final proposal in place and any announcement will not be for a couple of weeks.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-05-28 00:28:22

Isn’t this just the Paulson plan in the disguise of a new idea from Obama-Wan Kenobe? And is it safe to guess that the plan was dictated from the central planning committee at Megabank, Inc?

 
Comment by rms
2009-05-28 04:29:10

Cronyism has replaced meritocracy, which is symptomatic of our regulatory failure. I was pleased to see Obama stand up to Netanyahu’s recent demands although I expect our congress to override him.

 
 
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