June 8, 2009

An Eloquent Testament To A Series Of Bad Decisions

The Record Searchlight reports from California. “Michael Dastrup is a patient man. Four years after Big Wheels was destroyed by fire, Dastrup is still trying to rebuild the iconic Shingletown restaurant. But Dastrup has been unable to get a bank loan. The housing slump hasn’t helped his cause. Dastrup has been trying to sell two homes in Shingletown for nearly four years so he can use the profits to help finance a construction loan. One of the houses recently sold for $320,000, but that was $80,000 off the original asking price. Dastrup still has the second house on the market for $250,000.”

“Dastrup said he owns the land outright where Big Wheels once stood, plus the liquor license and other assets. ‘But they’re (assets) all tied to real estate, which banks don’t want to lean on. At this point, cash is king,’ Dastrup said.”

The Santa Cruz Sentinel. “The median sales price for a single-family home in Santa Cruz County edged up to $420,000 in April from $399,000 in March but remained far below the median of $661,000 a year ago. In Santa Cruz County, lenders have issued 883 default notices to borrowers, up from 867 a year ago, while the pace has slowed in neighboring Monterey and San Benito counties, according to the Santa Cruz Record.”

“‘A lot of homes went into default in Watsonville with prices that were inflated and loans that shouldn’t have happened but Santa Cruz hasn’t been hit hard like that,’ said Santa Cruz real estate agent Linda Burroughs.”

“Burroughs contends local home prices hit bottom in February, when the median sank to $380,000. She represented buyers of 225 Fairmount Ave. in Santa Cruz, which got three offers and sold for $453,000 in April. Since then, she said, similar properties are attracting 10-20 offers and bidding up prices by 10 percent.”

“Burroughs has switched her focus away from homes worth more than $1 million. ‘That end isn’t selling right now,’ she said, explaining that prospective buyers are reluctant to sell stock that has fallen in value. ‘They’re waiting for a recovery.’”

The Monterey County Herald. “A local version of ‘Flip This House’ is coming to Monterey County. Supervisors Tuesday approved an agreement with several cities hardest hit by the housing market downturn to buy foreclosed houses and sell them to lower-income buyers.’

“Under the agreement, the county Housing and Redevelopment Agency would apply for about $2.1 million in federal stimulus grant money on behalf of the county and the cities of Marina, Seaside, Soledad, Gonzales, King City and Greenfield, for use in a local Neighborhood Stabilization Program.”

“According to the county’s numbers, home prices have dropped precipitously in many local communities during the past year, ranging from about 27 percent in Seaside, 37 percent in Marina and 38 percent in North County to a whopping 66 percent in Greenfield. And a glut of foreclosed homes is making things worse.”

“Supervisor Simon Salinas praised the program and said the county should vigorously pursue the funding. ‘This is something where I think we’d be remiss if we didn’t do something,’ Salinas said.”

The Press Enterprise. “Shrinking nest eggs have retirees searching for ways to stretch their money. Some are discovering a new mortgage tool that can make buying a house cheaper than renting. The new tool is a variation of reverse mortgages. A 62-year-old using a reverse mortgage could buy a house priced at roughly twice the amount of the required down payment. The maximum price of a house that can be financed through a reverse mortgage this year was raised from $417,000 to $625,000.”

“Pat Conway, a real estate agent who lives in San Jose, salvaged the remaining equity from her 1,300-square-foot house, which had been losing value in California’s busted housing market, and bought a condominium in the same city. By using a reverse mortgage, she was able to finance more than half the $225,000 price of the condo and discard her monthly mortgage payment.”

“Conway said if she hadn’t used the reverse mortgage, she would have had to move out of the area, far from her children and grandchildren, to find a condominium she could afford to buy for cash. Although Conway knows the reverse mortgage could erode the equity in her new condo, she said she is confident that real estate will appreciate again and build back some of the lost equity.”

‘Besides, she said, she feels safe realizing, ‘Even if they use up your equity, they can never kick you out of your home.’”

The County Sun. “Accelerating a water rate increase that took effect two years ago will be considered by the City Council on Tuesday. The proposed rate increase would allow the city to recover its costs, not make a profit. In 1995, the city took out a $10 million bond to buy land, build a water reservoir and refinance an existing loan. But the economic downturn dramatically reduced annual revenues from connection fees used to repay the bond, according a recent study commissioned by the city.”

“The water connection fee is $3,500 per home. There have been 14 new connections in the 2009-2010 budget year. Two years ago, the city anticipated 350 new connections per year.”

The Merced Sun Star. “While little new construction has sprung up in Merced during the past year, small contractors like Warren Murdock’s Lynn Douglas Design & Construction have kept busy. Lynn Douglas Design and Construction specializes in smaller jobs like remodeling — jobs that developers and custom builders had little interest in.”

“But business isn’t booming and now contractors of all stripes are scrambling to get any work they can, Murdock said. Mat Harding, who works for Murdock, was building custom homes in Oakdale before the slowdown. Now most of the guys he knows in the building industry are out of work.”

“For Michael Carter, who runs Carter Construction, work has simply dried up. His industrial and commercial contracting company in Merced used to have up to eight workers on his crew and two or three jobs at a time, he said. Now he’s had to lay off his crew and feels lucky if something comes along every other month.”

Carter’s competition increasingly includes contractors who used to build houses, he said. Carter recently went to a prospective job site and there were more than 40 other contractors there when there used to be only three or four. ‘We’re seeing a lot of the people who would specialize in residential,’ he said, ‘now looking for anything they can get.’”

“New construction numbers in the city and county of Merced don’t tell a much rosier story. For the month of May, there was not one building permit issued by the county for a new home.”

The Daily Pilot. “Newport Beach and Costa Mesa could feel the squeeze when Orange County slashes spending by about $1 billion this budget cycle. Everything from bus routes and subsidized health care for families faces cuts in the coming year, Orange County Supervisor John Moorlach said.”

“‘Costa Mesa is going to be hit a little harder because these things are going to affect the poor living in those areas,’ Moorlach said. ‘But there also might be some loan brokers and car salesmen in Newport Beach who are on food stamps too, there are a lot of people who have been hit hard in this economy.’”

The Union Tribune. “Short sales often represent the best chance for distressed borrowers to avoid foreclosure. The problem is that many real estate professionals say it’s growing increasingly difficult to complete transactions in which lenders allow sellers to accept less for the home than the outstanding debt. Lenders have been slow to embrace short sales because they don’t like to take losses. Even when they decide a short sale is in their best interest, it can take months to negotiate a price. If there is more than one mortgage, which is common in California, the second, unsecured lien holder must sign off on the sale.”

“In cases where loans have been bundled into securities and sold on Wall Street, things get even more complicated. Investors may need to sign off on the deal. Bob Satnick, chairman of the California Mortgage Bankers Association, said he has seen cases in which sales are delayed when lien holders try to maximize their return. Recently, some institutions have pushed to have sellers sign promissory notes that require them to repay all or part of the outstanding loan balance at a later date.”

“‘That is a relatively new wrinkle,’ he said. ‘Where I have seen them come into play is from the second lien holders. I have seen lenders asking the seller to come in with additional money up front. I have seen them approve the short sale but reserve their right to pursue future deficiency from the borrower.’”

“Santee real estate agent Dan Tacon said he has a standard answer for lenders who seek promissory notes: ‘No.’ Tacon tells his clients if they can’t walk away free and clear, they probably are better off going through foreclosure.’

“‘If people could afford the payments, they would not be selling the house,’ he said. ‘Why should you pay for something you don’t have? Your credit already is shot. Everything already has been taken away from you.’”

The Tribune. “North County lenders Rod Jarmin and Tammy M. Jordan have been accused by the state’s Department of Real Estate of substantial misrepresentation of material facts, fraud and dishonest dealings. Both Jarmin and Jordan are stakeholders in Real Property Lenders, a mortgage loan brokerage business that solicited lenders and borrowers for high-interest loans secured by real estate.”

“The Paso Robles firm had more than 250 investors in $55 million worth of real estate loans, according to its last offering circular filed with the Department of Corporations in 2007. The basic allegations filed by the state regulators on May 18 involve about 20 investors who gave Jarmin more than $1 million to invest in the construction of four single-family homes in the North County.”

“In all the loans, the state alleges, Jarmin and Jordan concealed the fact that the money was going not to construct the homes but rather to purchase the land. The state also alleges that after they depleted their interest reserve funds, they then illegally paid investors monthly interest payments out of the construction loans, unbeknownst to investors.”

“Leaders of a third North County lending company, Estate Financial, are in County Jail, facing numerous felony charges involving fraud in their financial dealings. Together, the companies took in about half a billion dollars for loans from more than 5,000 investors, most of whom live in this county.”

The Marin Independent Journal. “A stash of heavy equipment and building supplies sits on a lot on Sir Francis Drake Boulevard in San Anselmo, and behind it the hillside is scarred from past landslides. By all accounts, it’s a blemish on the visage of an otherwise photogenic town - even the property owner admits it. But contractor Gerry Hynes said the stagnant economy is preventing him from obtaining about $1.6 million in financing to complete a project at 790 Sir Francis Drake Blvd.”

“Hynes intends to build two houses on Loma Robles Drive and a 9,500-square-foot commercial building on Sir Francis Drake. The project passed through three owners and multiple revisions since a 13-unit housing complex was proposed for the site in 2003.”

“Cherilyn Gilboy and her husband, Pat Haven, live on Luna Court above 790 Drake. Their home was built in 1879 and is the second oldest in San Anselmo; only the home of filmmaker George Lucas is older. Gilboy said there has been structural damage to her home - cracked cement and plaster - that she attributes to work on Hynes’ property. Gilboy said the situation is embarrassing for the whole town. There is no deadline for Hynes to finish the project, although he will have to renew his permits later this summer. ‘Everybody in San Anselmo sees it and asks about it, and they just shake their head,’ Gilboy said.”

“‘It’s sad,” said Councilman Ford Greene, whose law office is across Drake Boulevard from the lot. ‘It’s an eyesore. It is the most eloquent testament to a series of bad decisions. He’s got to clean it up, but it’s just going to sit there.’”

“Hynes is asking for patience. ‘I wish I had deep pockets and could come through and finish the job,’ he said. ‘I know it’s a little bit of an eyesore. Believe me, I want it done, too.’”




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Comment by Natalie
2009-06-08 10:18:42

“A local version of ‘Flip This House’ is coming to Monterey County.”

I noticed yesterday that HGTV is radically changing its programming. Their new offerings include such gems as “For Rent.” The premise - you get to watch a couple search for a rental apartment as part of economic downsizing. How fun is that? Weekends will never be the same. Also had a promo running for “Real Estate Intervention.” Where there have intervensions with delusional sellers. I am not sure yet if they are going to play hardball or softball. I watched For Rent trying to see how they could make the search for a rental apartment exciting, and well, let’s just say they couldn’t. I imagine it wont be on next month. A host did suggest some expensive decorating tips however which was interesting considering it was a rental.

Comment by DinOR
2009-06-08 10:36:10

Natalie,

We went down for “reserve weekend” and my wife actually looks forward to having ’some’ time away from being a “nanny” for our new grand daughter. Anyway, while in the hotel room she confirmed the “sea change” in their programming.

She said one program might as well have been called “Keeping up with the FB’s!” Desperate couples in desperate situations ( of their own making in most cases ) flailing to get out from under their McDebtMansions. What exactly is entertaining about ‘that’?

Comment by Natalie
2009-06-08 11:24:22

I think HGTV and its copy cats will go down and flames, and will be gone in a year or two. Expensive renovations and get rich quick shows have lots of entertainment value and sponsor support. I can’t see how the new programming will hold sponsor or viewer interest.

The only thing I would really be excited in seeing is a “where are they now series.” Play a 2002-2006 episode, and then have a half hour interview with them in 2009 as to how it all worked out. Real estate sponsors wouldn’t be thrilled, but if more ppl were like me, it would be so popular, they could get other sponsors due to the size of the audience.

Comment by DinOR
2009-06-08 11:34:59

Natalie,

Oh I suppose there ‘is’ a certain train wreck appeal about it? My wife said it was gut-wrenching and upsetting to watch. A ‘lot’ of people may secretly be curious about seeing someone (else) get executed etc. but I don’t think there’s anyone that would want to see it ‘twice’?

What “I” find uplifting is that they’ve completely run out of positive angles to run with and have only disaster/break up stories now!

Right now though I’m concerned w/ how our Oregon summer is shaping up? It’s officially June and I’m hoping this isn’t -another- one of our “Juneuarys”? So far, not good.

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Comment by speedingpullet
2009-06-08 12:19:35

The Husband calls HGTV “Housing P0rn” - I don’t think he’s wrong ;-)

I especially love watching the “House Hunters” from 2006/07/08, and listen to the byzantine mortgages and financial hoops these people got into to afford these places..

Would love to see a “2/3/4 year later follow-up” and see what’s become of them. You can bet, its not good.

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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-06-08 16:45:45

“House Hunters” - I watch a few episodes on hulu while treading last week ( daily treadmill-er). That show and “Hidden Potential” treated opm like monopoly money.

 
 
Comment by Skip
2009-06-08 14:11:34

A lot of the programming on HGTV seems to come from Canada now a days.

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Comment by Mike G
2009-06-08 16:17:13

The only thing I would really be excited in seeing is a “where are they now series.”

2006: One person in a four bedroom house
2009: Four people in a one bedroom apartment

2006: Lavish parties every night
2009: Law and Order reruns every night

2006: Driving a Porsche Boxster
2009: Living in a cardboard box

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Comment by buckwheat
2009-06-09 12:18:10

ha ha, classic!

 
 
 
 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-06-08 10:41:58

“A host did suggest some expensive decorating tips however which was interesting considering it was a rental.”

We’ll, you’ve got to entice some sponsors somehow…

Comment by Natalie
2009-06-08 11:41:24

True. I did learn a few things from the show, however. For example, before you begin your search you should establish your minimum criteria such as how many bedrooms you want, how many bathrooms, how many parking spots, what neighborhood you want to be in, etc. Such information is truely invaluable. When they got to renters installing window treatments, buying furniture to fit the place, etc., I was speechless.

 
 
Comment by In Montana
2009-06-08 12:26:45

I can remember when HGTV had back to back gardening shows. Then came the bubble.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-08 13:04:43

I think they also used to run shows about fixing up your house on the cheap. But FOR YOU TO LIVE IN. Not to sell.

 
Comment by Elanor
2009-06-08 13:42:15

Yeah, those were the good old days of HGTV. Now they might as well remove the “G”, because the gardening shows are few and air at such convenient times as 6:30 am on Sunday.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-06-08 16:55:24

Yeah, I loved “This Old House” and the gardening shows, when I use to travel on business. We haven’t owned a TV for 15 years, so hotel rooms were a TV treat. I took up the internet and the piano. I catch PBS Documentries and such, online.

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Comment by robin
2009-06-09 01:09:14

What channel on Direct TV, please?

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-06-09 05:04:22

robin,
To whom were you addressing your Direct TV question to?
HGTV is on HULU online (google it), which has a TV show directory. hit TV then Browse, or use Channel and find HGTV. A directory of shows will show. You can search for shows by name too.

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Comment by Central Valley Guy
2009-06-08 10:20:26

Do we need to rename this site the “New Housing Bubble Blog”?

“Burroughs contends local home prices hit bottom in February, when the median sank to $380,000. She represented buyers of 225 Fairmount Ave. in Santa Cruz, which got three offers and sold for $453,000 in April. Since then, she said, similar properties are attracting 10-20 offers and bidding up prices by 10 percent.”

Comment by Tim
2009-06-08 10:45:13

I’m with Combo to some extent. As long as they have some skin in the game this time (i.e., put down a significant down payment), let them have at it. If they don’t want to keep what they earn, there are definitely people and institutions that could use it. I heard, however, they are considering giving loans against the tax credit so that it can be used for the down payment. Isn’t that great?

Comment by mikey
2009-06-08 12:48:25

The model for this US RE/Finance Bubble looks like one big unhealthy Incestuous Relationship and nobody wants to admit it.

From main street through Wall Street right up to DC. The love affair between all of these closer than “kissing cousins” was based on assumptions by some, know facts by others and non accountability by everyone envolved. These people have been swapping spit with each other since the before the REVOLUTION.

J6p, investors and small-time gamblers figured that they couldn’t lose in RE and assumed they could join the big money making REIC family groupies. That assumption was a major mistake and very unhealthy for the mother country.

RE agents KNEW that they would get their 6% and passed them on to their cousins in banking and in-house title companies and assessors. That is a fact. When these guys were done with them, they then passed them of to their cousins at banks and brokerages for a little FIRE loving.

The banks knew that they’d get their commissions and sold the loans to brokers. That’s a fact. They in turn passed them on to their cousins at the big commercial banks and hedge funds.

The Wall Street commercial banks and hedge funds turned them onto their kissing cousins in the Gov’t and thats a fact. Even the MSM was in bed with their cousins in FIRE and gov’t.

The Feds and local gov’t loved the fast sales, boom and inflated prices as a source of revene and that’s a fact. There’s a lot of loose love going on around here in this FIRE/Gov’t/MSM family.

Our kissing cousins in the gov’t and Wall street turned the bastard baby back over to J6p, investors and the US Tax PLAYERS.

There was NO ASSUMPTION about this END RESULTS, as this was all in the sick Family Game Plan. That IS a FACT.

Perhaps incestuous relationships is a harsh term to discribe this closeknit FIRE/Gov’t/MSM family game but all of this screwing around with CLOSE relations has given birth to one Helluva Monster that nobody wants to claim or be accountable for.

I’m for enacting and inforcing strict Laws and Regulations to keep these inter-related perverts at MORE than arms length from each other and to prevent anymore of this profit from in-breeding and dumping their very expensive, unwanted bastard children ON US…and THAT’S a Fact !

Rant on US Gov’t/FIRE/MSM All in the Family Love Morals is over …
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Comment by JohnF
2009-06-09 13:21:30

As long as they have some skin in the game this time (i.e., put down a significant down payment)….

That’s not happening. FHA at 3.5% down is the new source of financing for buyers (thanks to you and I as taxpayers ultimately guaranteeing the future losses), currently at 30% of transactions in SoCal, probably heading for 50% of transactions by the end of this year.

The crazy financing with low downpayments has never really ended thanks to Uncle Sam picking up where the banks left off….

 
 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-08 13:06:24

I love how 3 offers turns into 10-20 offers per property.

My landlady is a Realtor, and she says you do get multiple offers on aggressively priced houses, and the seller picks the one that is the least discounted from asking price.

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2009-06-08 10:31:58

“Even if they use up your equity, they can never kick you out of your home”

They? Your? I think you’re confused here lady. Oh well, here comes the old Reverse Phi-Beta Slammah Jammah Slam Dunk!

It’s just repulsive to watch REIC-sta’s as they realize.., it wasn’t the homes… that they were attracted to? It wasn’t the glitz and “glamma” it was the GAME!

THAT is what they ‘really’ miss. The Game. Next time they’ll be smarter by not plowing their fictitious “profits” -back- into the table! This time, ALL the profits from The Game will be taken out strictly on a cash flow basis and squandered -directly- on young chicks and partying! I’m uh playah, see?

Comment by Pullthetrigger?
2009-06-08 19:09:24

Isn’t it true that reverse mortgages in the last ten years were the most lucrative plays for homeowners? (Because they were written on the basis that houses would rise in price?) I suppose it depends on how the contracts were written.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-06-08 10:36:45

From the original post:

“Pat Conway, a real estate agent who lives in San Jose, salvaged the remaining equity from her 1,300-square-foot house, which had been losing value in California’s busted housing market, and bought a condominium in the same city. By using a reverse mortgage, she was able to finance more than half the $225,000 price of the condo and discard her monthly mortgage payment.”

“Conway said if she hadn’t used the reverse mortgage, she would have had to move out of the area, far from her children and grandchildren, to find a condominium she could afford to buy for cash. Although Conway knows the reverse mortgage could erode the equity in her new condo, she said she is confident that real estate will appreciate again and build back some of the lost equity.”

‘Besides, she said, she feels safe realizing, ‘Even if they use up your equity, they can never kick you out of your home.’”

To which I say:

I know of a case in which a house was reversed mortgaged by its elderly owner. She proceeded to go on one of the most baffling spending sprees I’ve ever seen. Judging from the things she bought, it was pretty obvious that she wasn’t of sound mind.

A year and a half ago, she fell and broke a leg. Long story short: The paramedics had to break into her house to get her out of there. And that was the last day she ever spent there. After spending over a month in a convalescent home, one of her sons took her in. She now lives in another city with that son and his wife.

As for the reverse mortgaged house? It’s gone into foreclosure.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-08 13:09:21

I love the phrase ’salvaged the remaining equity’ up there. Aren’t they implying that she took the last dime she could get ATM’d out of her house and bought a condo with it. They don’t mention what’s going on with the house. I suspect she jingle mailed it. THIS lady deserves to lose the condo too. I hope they go after her for a judgment on this.

 
 
Comment by robiscrazy
2009-06-08 10:43:17

A 62-year-old using a reverse mortgage could buy a house priced at roughly twice the amount of the required down payment. The maximum price of a house that can be financed through a reverse mortgage this year was raised from $417,000 to $625,000.”

Can anyone explain what they are talking about here? Just curious how the reverse mortgage product they are talking about works?

It almost looks as if they might be able to borrow at above market value with this loan product. If so, would it record at the inflated value and then be a comp?

az_lender, no doubt you have insight.

Comment by Tim
2009-06-08 11:12:35

I am not sure what you mean by “borrow at above market value.”

http://www.fhasecure.gov/offices/hsg/sfh/hecm/faqs_hecm.cfm

 
Comment by robiscrazy
2009-06-08 11:42:07

Never mind, got it. Thanks for the link Tim.

Reverse Mortgages still look like a bad product.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-08 13:06:39

Is utilizing this product essentially renting while paying a premium for the self-disillusionment that you actually own the place, or am I missing something important?

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-08 13:13:15

The whole premise of reverse mortgages was that

1) You own your house.

2) You expect to croak in the next decade.

3) You want to get a reliable stream of income to live out the last years.

So you get a reverse mortgage, which is basically the bank sending you a check every month that gets added to the principal of a loan that you never make a payment on. Interest is added to the loan. When you die or sell the house, the bank gets paid back. They used to be capped at about 50% or so of appraised value as they aren’t revenue streams for banks, but rather balloon payments at the end of the loan term. Who knows what the heck the last 6 years have done to proper underwriting of these things.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-08 13:44:38

What confused me was the wording in the story, “A 62-year-old using a reverse mortgage could buy a house priced at roughly twice the amount of the required down payment,” which does not sound to me like the description of someone who already owns the house and wants to liberate equity without giving up ownership privileges.

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Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-08 14:26:36

Yes, I have no idea what they’re talking about with buying a house using a reverse mortgage. It sounds kind of like taking a bath by jumping in a tub full of towels. Say whaaaa?

 
Comment by Tim
2009-06-08 14:53:44

It a new product add on to standard reverse mortgages. You have to put down a substantial down payment so that you already have decent equity. It was designed for ppl that can put a lot of money down but have low fixed incomes. Same as putting down a substantial down payment and then going out and getting a reverse mortgage, but rolling it into one closing. The lender is more lenient because it is looking at the credit worthiness of the party obligated with respect to the reverse mortgage payments as opposed to just an elderly person on a fixed income.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-08 15:08:34

Right, but WHO WOULD DO THAT? If you have a large down payment, you have the cash and don’t need monthly income, so why a reverse mortgage?

 
Comment by Tim
2009-06-08 15:23:10

Say you can put down 60% down but are on a very limited fixed income (note it’s for ppl 62 or older). You can buy the house now and use equity to pay ongoing payments (think of it as a structured automatic HELOC to make ongoing payments). Theoretically, you should be able to only put 5% or so down and escrow the monies you would otherwise use as a down payment to secure debt service payments without the need for the reverse mortgage part, but it would be rather complex and time intensive. Note that a bank would not lend someone on a fixed income the money to buy the house unless that money is tied up somehow or guaranteed by a credit worthy entity.

 
Comment by robiscrazy
2009-06-08 16:03:36

Let’s say you are in one of the two following scenarios - why not take the corresponding course of action:

1. Have a chunk of money - Rent a cheap place and save yourself interest and the hassle of originating of a funky loan.

2. Own a home outright - Live in it or sell it and use the money to live on rather than again originating some funky loan and paying interest.

Reverse mortgages sound like instruments that pay the bank and not you.

 
Comment by Tim
2009-06-08 16:10:00

I note I was just describing them rather than recommending them. With respect to your examples, however, what if your goal is max out pursuing your dreams and die with zero assets? I’m not saying this is the best vehicle to do so, but I can understand someone thinking, rather than leave a paid off house to my kids that don’t work or to the government if I have no heirs, why not travel around the world on my equity, and leave them nothing. Different people have different goals.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-08 16:40:21

I can’t ever think of a way it’d be the right way to do it. Sell it and spend the rest of your life on cruise ships/whatevah.

 
 
 
 
Comment by az_lender
2009-06-08 14:00:23

robiscrazy,
I’m a lender, not a bank. I did once have a prospective client who wanted me to do something like the reverse mortgage scam. She was about 80 and had much less income than she wanted to live on, but owned two large parcels outright. Wanted me to pay her somuchamonth to build up MY equity. Nope, it would’ve certainly meant that the person eventually stuck with the chore of selling the properties would’ve been…me. Thanks a lot but no thanks. I told her, use the bank.

Comment by robiscrazy
2009-06-08 15:55:10

Thought you might have some insight and you did!

“…wanted me to do something like the reverse mortgage scam”

Comment by az_lender
2009-06-08 17:20:55

I guess the way it usually works is to the borrower’s disadvantage, rather than the lender’s…but I just didn’t want to be bothered with a structure vastly different from what I’m used to. I like to lend people lump sums which they then gradually pay off. My almost-manual bookkeeping is well tuned to cope with that. AND I don’t have to sell a property unless something goes really wrong (not since 03).

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Comment by robiscrazy
2009-06-08 17:40:22

az,

Your model should have been in use by every other lender on the planet for the last 10 years.

My parents purchased their first house back in 1996. My dad had retired young and mom had changed careers (banking to nursing). Mom had to write a letter to the bank elaborating on her job situation (why she gave up her job as a branch manager at a bank….blah, blah) as she had not been at her new position more than 1 year.

Flash to now, when I tell my parents about things like stated income loans or NINJA loans their jaws hit the floor. As a branch manager for BOFA for years my mom said she would turn down doctors regularly for home loans because of the lack of income (according to fudged tax returns). Those were the rules of the bank.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2009-06-08 10:58:17

The County Sun. “Accelerating a water rate increase that took effect two years ago will be considered by the City Council on Tuesday.

“The water connection fee is $3,500 per home. There have been 14 new connections in the 2009-2010 budget year. Two years ago, the city anticipated 350 new connections per year.”

A government dramatically raises taxes and then SPENDS the money before they EVEN get it. Then tax receipts drop off a cliff. But will they ever cut spending????

 
Comment by Big V
2009-06-08 10:59:55

Has anyone else in California noticed a lot more people with a lot more spending money lateley? Since unemployment is still rising, my best guess is that they have stopped paying their mortgages and are living for free waiting for the sheriff to kick them out. I see vacant apartments everywhere too.

Comment by milkcrate
2009-06-08 11:18:37

Restaurants are much busier than six months ago.

Comment by Skip
2009-06-08 14:16:44

Went to Lowes yesterday. Walked down the outdoor lighting aisle and all of the motion detector lights came on. Not sure how many minutes it had been since some one had walked down the aisle (5-10 minutes?).

 
 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-08 13:23:24

The bright side of the housing collapse will be that after housing returns to sanity, people will have disposable income again.

In the mean time, I’m sure that waiting for foreclosure on your house or rental unit really is freeing up some cash. And feeling all crummy about how bad things are means splurge a little to feel better.

Comment by Steve W
2009-06-08 13:43:34

Restaurant buddy in Chicago tells me that traffic in the decent restaurants is pretty stable, but the average bill is way down (less booze and appetizers and desserts).

NPR this morning had a bit on movies as well–actual ticket receipts are up this year but concessions sales are down enough to be concerning to the movie houses.

Comment by Skip
2009-06-08 14:18:56

Since two cokes and a popcorn is now $17, I am not surprised people are skipping out on the concessions.

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Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-08 14:25:07

My wife and I share a popcorn and soda. Getting popcorn at a movie was a treat when I was younger and it’s one of the things I enjoy about going to see a movie ‘at the movies.’ Sadly the markup has gotten beyond ridiculous.

Back in college, we used to have contests about what we could smuggle into a movie theater. My buddy and I managed a steak dinner and were declared the winners. We had tinfoiled up baked potatoes and steaks and stuffed them in our jackets. Eating steak and potato without a plate or utensils is grisly and messy, however.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-06-08 17:22:54

Get your wife to carry a big purse so she can sneak some potato chips into the movie house.

 
 
 
Comment by DinOR
2009-06-08 14:11:20

SFBB,

Yes to all. I’ve noticed that people here in OR are actually dusting off those RV’s and campers they bought w/ MEW $’s. After a decade or so of being on a soapbox as to why families w/ young children actually ‘need’ to see Italy?

They’re finally getting it. We can only hope that the concept of having a non-REIC generated income and ‘real’ disposable income catches on? I don’t know if anyone recalls but BusinessWeek did an article on “Summer Camp isn’t what it used to be?” Yeah, kids at camp getting chef prepared meals while mom and dad are having a massage. Remember that?

Another aspect I’ve been witnessing is the resurgence of responsible home maint. Gone are the days where people poured money into the “glamma” ( but then offered a “roofing allowance at the closing of an acceptable offer? ) It became a -very- common thing in OR. Go for the high mark up, worry about the damn roof later! Well now I see a lot of roofs coming off. And they-are-nasty.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-08 14:22:03

Deferred roof maintenance is brutal. Ignore it long enough and and it’s deferred wall/ceiling/foundation maintenance.

I don’t understand why people would slap a new kitchen in under an old roof.

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Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-06-09 09:48:21

Because putting in a new kitchen increases the “value” of the house by 2x the price of the new kitchen, of course!

 
Comment by Silverback1011
2009-06-12 07:22:48

Chanting ‘granite’ ‘granite’ ‘countertops’ ‘countertops’.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Big V
2009-06-08 11:08:19

I can’t believe banks are asking for promissory notes to go with their short sales. I guess they’re just hoping that the same people who were dumb enough to go for the neg-am loan might just be dumb enough to also go for the promise to pay. Well, I don’t think most of these folks were ever really all that dumb. It’s a lot easier to sign a contract under which only the bank could end up losing money. Why screw that all up with a promissory note?

Comment by Jim A.
2009-06-08 12:21:54

Didn’t Casey’s lenders get promissary notes? Fat lot of good it will do ‘em.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-06-08 14:04:39

As a lender I was involved in one short sale. My immediate response was to ask for a promissory note. My lawyer told me there was no chance I’d get one, but I’m glad I asked, because it caused the short-sellers to offer to throw in a part of the deficiency immediately. The remaining deficiency was equal to only about a year and a half of interest, so I solved the whole thing by retroactively changing their interest rate to zero for the preceding year and a half, and filing an amendment to my tax return. (Yes, they had itemized…proving they weren’t as poor as they pretended.) Well, my point was, sometimes asking for a promissory could be a useful negotiating tactic.

Comment by az_lender
2009-06-08 15:21:31

“promissory could” = “promissory note could” (sorry)

 
 
 
Comment by milkcrate
2009-06-08 11:17:00

From the Moldy News Department:

“Short sales often represent the best chance for distressed borrowers to avoid foreclosure. The problem is that many real estate professionals say it’s growing increasingly difficult to complete transactions in which lenders allow sellers to accept less for the home than the outstanding debt.”

What I wondered, after personally witnessing short sales disintegrate and morph into defaults and then deed transfers, is whether there is any data on how many short sales go through. Publicly held banks don’t report it, far as I can tell.

I think it is a very thin slice of the melon.
That matters because all of the properties that still inside the python.
The reticulated reptile may want to pass them in little stratgically placed doodies. I suppose by next fall, though, when buyers are more scarce, a messy stream of half-digested inventory will soak the market.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-08 13:26:18

Redfin refuses to touch them because they’ll never close.

 
Comment by Don't Know Nothin About Buyin No House
2009-06-09 07:38:25

If I were a bank heavy in bad mortgage loans and under pressure to prove solvency to stay in business, the last thing I would do is liquidate my non performing loans. I can get all the operating cash I need from Government, my big problem is proving balance sheet health. My current assets values are very subjective and easily fudged as long as I don’t sell.

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-06-08 12:27:10

Supervisors Tuesday approved an agreement with several cities hardest hit by the housing market downturn to buy foreclosed houses and sell them to lower-income buyers.

ARRRGH! Why not simply let prices decline until people can afford to buy? Because this program ISN’T about selling homes to lower income buyers, it’s about using tax dollars to keep house prices higher than the market will support.

Comment by speedingpullet
2009-06-08 13:51:18

Or even better, buying them as rental properties and leasing them out to people instead.

So wish this “owner or homeless” binary state would disappear.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-08 14:15:05

These programs would be hilarious if we weren’t paying for them.

 
Comment by salinasron
2009-06-08 15:18:44

“Because this program ISN’T about selling homes to lower income buyers, it’s about using tax dollars to keep house prices higher than the market will support.”

It’s more than that! Here in Salinas and the bay area it’s about social engineering; putting people in housing areas that they can’t afford so that they don’t feel any type of stigmatization. Do-gooders run amuck.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-08 13:04:50

Call me skeptical, but I am having a hard time imagining that a foreclosure home with the price jacked up by $100K to reflect a few days worth of slapdash patchwork could still “be a deal”. We can thank the ever-present perception that the Fed is going to spark an inflationary wildfire for this kind of thinking. How else could such an exorbitant markup for so little work possible seem sensible?

POSTCARDS FROM THE RECESSION
Silver lining in the real estate storm
As doors slam shut on so many foreclosed families, openings arise for first-time buyers who thought they’d never be able to afford a home of their own.
By Joel Sappell
June 8, 2009

Engaged to be married, the young couple snapped up the house next door at a bargain price from an investment company that had bought it at a foreclosure auction.

“We never thought we’d be able to afford a house in L.A.,” says Mark.

“I pinch myself every time I crawl into bed,” says Hilary.

Both in their early 30s, Hilary and Mark were a revelation to me, a ray of sunlight in the foreclosure storm. Yes, a door has been slammed shut on many unfortunate homeowners. But it also has been flung open for thousands of first-time buyers like Hilary and Mark, who’d been locked out of the housing market by soaring prices.

The latest survey by the National Assn. of Realtors found that, in the first quarter of this year, first-time buyers accounted for nearly half of all purchases. Hilary and Mark, who were renting in Echo Park, say most of their apartment-dwelling friends are now searching, including one couple that has asked their wedding guests for one gift: a contribution to their house fund.

My new neighbors found the home on an Internet real estate site, where it had been listed for just three days. The investment company had made a few fixes, slapped on some paint and jacked up the price by more than $100,000, which was still a deal.

Comment by Big V
2009-06-08 13:38:35

I read “snapped up”, hurl, take a nap, and try to move on with my life. I wish I had never heard that catchphrase.

Comment by JimboAC
2009-06-08 17:44:24

I also hate that term and all the quick-thinking, quick-moving greed it connotes. Another one that makes me see red is “savvy,” as in “savvy buyers.” The use of that term implies that the FBs it describes are doing something I’m too slow-witted even to understand, let alone do.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-06-08 13:57:21

I live across the street from a flip. Guy bought it from the family of an old man who got sick and died.

The guy proceeded to have lots of work done on the place for well over a year. And, let me tell you, the worker he hired was a real dedicated fella. Did great work too.

House was sold (in late 2007) to a middle-aged couple. Selling price was $100k above what the guy bought the place for, but, IMHO, the couple got a very well renovated house for their money.

Comment by DinOR
2009-06-08 14:41:03

Arizona Slim,

Well at least there was ‘one’ bright spot? Truthfully, now that the wife and I are ‘kind’ of looking in So. OR we’ve noticed… another disturbing trend.

Since we’re looking foe acreage, what we often find listed instead is where someone had some perfectly good ground but for a quick flip to pad their retirement, they slapped a McMansion in the middle of that acreage! Of course for them, it’s -still- a win/win? They have zero into the property and even though it would only sell for a fraction of peak, hey it’s all good where ‘they’re’ concerned?

So now instead of getting… who knows, a MIL? Maybe they can get 500 or even 250 out of it.

 
Comment by robin
2009-06-09 01:47:36

Great two-story home on my block with a guest unit over the garage was empty and neglected for over one year. Now being rebuilt from the foundation up, all framing, roofing, and more to come. Hope, combined with quality work, is truly an amazing thing!

Comment by Silverback1011
2009-06-12 07:29:13

The long-foreclosed bi-level on our circle ( one out of 7 houses on the circle that has come out of foreclosure ) was lipsticked up with new windows, carpet, etc., and went from a priced of $ 67,000 pre-flip to $ 114,900. No one has bought it, though. Personally, I would have bought it at $67,000, sent a cleaning team thru it, had the carpet steam-cleaned, and put in decent used appliances, and rented it out at $800 per month. Easier and a faster turnaround on the investment. Be that as it may, I’m waiting for more factory closures around here to take their unfortunate effect. Eventually $ 67,000 houses will most likely go down to $ 37,000, and then we’ll probably look at a couple of rentals.

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Comment by Silverback1011
2009-06-12 07:52:23

I believe that eventually Michigan will be the winner in the retiree lottery because the cost of living will be so much lower than many of the other states. It’s amazing to see already low-priced housing ( relative to other part regions of the country ) fall off the cliff and stay there. The average price of a house in my area is down 44% from LAST YEAR. Obviously, one has to be careful, but there will be nice, remodeled opportunities for bottom fishers like me, also. Rentals are good income. No loans, just cash sales for the properties, and then the wonderful magick of amortization which helps all things.

 
Comment by DebtinNation
2009-06-12 15:13:36

Everyone is dying to retire in Michigan.

 
 
 
 
Comment by salinasron
2009-06-08 15:14:07

“Call me skeptical, but I am having a hard time imagining that a foreclosure home with the price jacked up by $100K to reflect a few days worth of slapdash patchwork could still “be a deal”.

I’m like you, this one stinks!! Sounds like an RE planted story.

Comment by toast on the coast 90803
2009-06-08 18:58:00

I have seen in the Long Beach Ca market that investors are purchasing homes at the court house steps way below the current market value. I wonder if they have a pre determined price with the trust deed servicing companies. Some of the prices are amazing.

 
 
Comment by az_lender
2009-06-08 15:30:22

In contrast, I’ll repeat the story of my Flipper clients who bought an REO from Deutsche Bank for $68K last October (80% my money), put $1000 into fix-ups, paid me about $2000 interest for 4.8 months, paid an agent a full 6% to get rid of it, and lost a little money on the deal.

Thinking they have learned their lesson, they plan to try again. The lesson they think they learned is, they were too near the low end. I don’t expect they’ll do any better for themselves this time.

Comment by speedingpullet
2009-06-08 17:19:43

LOL - the expression “quit while you’re behind”springs to mind.

Still, it seems to be everywhere.

I’m having a heated discussion with someone on one of the Westside LA blogs who keeps telling me to quit whining about prices, because everyone knows $750K for a 2b/2b tract home in Santa Monica is a screeeeming deal

Sigh.

Comment by Groundhogday
2009-06-08 18:00:07

Some idiot from out of town came in an purchased a house for $10k below list, and $80k above reasonable fundamentals and now all the realtors are spouting off about the downturn being over. Since 4-5 homes have suddenly gone pending after sitting forever, I’d guess they convinced a few suckers to buy now or miss the bottom.

Stupid is as stupid does!

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Comment by cactus
2009-06-09 12:44:37

“The investment company had made a few fixes, slapped on some paint and jacked up the price by more than $100,000, which was still a deal”

the investment company probably is well connected to the bank gets a great deal and the banks losess are covered by ?

 
Comment by JohnF
2009-06-09 13:42:54

Starting to see this behavior in the Thousand Oaks area. Here’s how the math works (as an example):

- House has a $400,000 first mortgage and a $250,000 second/HELOC (both of which are in default) on a house that sold for $650,000 in 2005/6
- Investor buys the first from the lender for $350,000
- Investor forecloses on the first and wipes out the second (because he/she actually has the time to deal with it - as opposed to the lender who is probably overwhelmed)
- Investor puts in $50,000 in re-hab/upgrades
- Investor lists house for $499,999 and it sells in a week because it is selling at a “discount” of almost 25% and it is not thrashed like most REO’s!

The lender on the first only takes a 13% hit (forgetting about accrued interest/fees) and it’s one less REO they have to deal with.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-06-08 13:10:44

“Supervisors Tuesday approved an agreement with several cities hardest hit by the housing market downturn to buy foreclosed houses and sell them to lower-income buyers.’

“Under the agreement, the county Housing and Redevelopment Agency would apply for about $2.1 million in federal stimulus grant money on behalf of the county and the cities of Marina, Seaside, Soledad, Gonzales, King City and Greenfield, for use in a local Neighborhood Stabilization Program.”

How far is $2.1M going to go, even if paired with some local funds? One of the dangers of buying into a neighborhood with lots of foreclosures is you don’t know who will end up in those vacant units or what will otherwise become of them. Is the deal you think you’re getting really that good if the neighborhood goes to cr@p. At least with a rental you can move out when the lease is up. If you own, you need to sell first and hope to find a buyer without taking too big of a loss.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-08 14:19:30

All those foreclosed, puchased, and sold to low income families will most likely be foreclosed on again in another 2 years unless they make the low income families put skin in the game, which I doubt they will.

When will the government wake up to the fact that a mortgage with no downpayment is a huge debt burden easily shirked. If you make them have a downpayment, it’s an huge debt burden with a penalty for walking away, which means people are MUCH more likely to make sure they can handle the debt burden before agreeing to carry it.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-06-08 15:05:30

I’ve done a bit of volunteering for Habitat for Humanity here in Tucson. It’s the first Habitat affiliate west of the Mississippi River, and, last I heard, there have only been two homeowner defaults in 25-plus years.

What’s Habitat doing right? Well, for one thing, they screen the heck out of their prospective homeowners. They also expect the ones who’ve been accepted to log 200-400 work hours before they can move into their house. (It’s 200 hours for a single parent-headed household and 400 hours for a two-parent household.)

This past Friday, I did a photo shoot of a house dedication ceremony. Since I was in my usual “give me a camera and I turn into Gumby” mode, I wasn’t paying very close attention to what was being said. I was too busy climbing ladders, crawling on the ground, and doing whatever else I had to do to get a good shot.

But I did hear the exec director praising one of the homeowners for setting a record for the number of work hours logged. Sounds like he clocked in at well over 400 hours.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-08 16:38:15

Habitat makes ‘em work. If you build the house, you won’t want to lose it. If I were stupid rich, I’d volunteer there several times a week and relax on the off days with daquaris.

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Comment by robin
2009-06-09 01:52:40

I used to plan to leave my $ to Planned Parenthood. Then I got married. Still thought I should leave something to someone other than my family.

Habitat seems very, very worthy!

 
 
 
Comment by az_lender
2009-06-08 17:26:31

sfbb,

Hear hear (vis-a-vis skin in the game). Whenever I brag about my clients’ perfect performance and someone asks How Can This Be, I answer: “Two words. DOWN PAYMENT.”

Comment by jim a
2009-06-08 18:18:13

People who have saved up a downpayment have a PROVEN ability to live within thier means.

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Comment by Silverback1011
2009-06-12 07:57:34

Yes, this is so true. And because my husband put skin in the game in the house we’re currently living in ( he bought it before our marriage ), I just keep muttering to myself, it’s only $ 275 per week, $ 275 per week. It’s not worth ruining our credit over by walking away, even though it’s the wisest thing to do in some respects. It’s on a fixed-rate 5.75% for 30 years, and will eventually be turned into a rental.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Groundhogday
2009-06-08 15:21:03

slightly off topic, but apparently Dan Marino has been trying to sell his Florida home for the past 3 years. So he’s throwing in the furnishings AND an autographed football. I’d certainly pony up for a $13 million estate for the autographed Dan Marino football.

online.wsj dot com/article/SB10001424052970204456604574203710484352426.html?mod=yhoofront

Comment by DinOR
2009-06-08 16:24:02

Yeah I’d read that in USAToday while in the guard over the weekend ( yeah we read the paper sometimes? ) It just seemed that Dan even ‘now’ doesn’t get it? But then again, he was actually a more traditional seller. They have a bunch of kids either graduating or going to college and a big place w/ no kids.

I don’t have any problems, he’s a great guy, but the autograph comment may have been a stab at self-depricating humor?

Comment by Groundhogday
2009-06-08 17:50:38

So they needed the $13 million mansion because of the kids? Now they are downsizing empty nesters?

 
 
 
Comment by sold in 04
2009-06-08 18:35:19

when i left the rat race and moved to pismo beach i rented a home from a man who had close to a 1,000,000 bucks invested w/ one of those paso robels ca firms..he new i just sold, so he was after me w/ 12% promises..i have seen his name in the paper as one of the plantiffs who has lost it all…he was an real JERK too, he took $1200 bucks of my security deposit( small court papers filed) last time i spoke to him i told him i saw his name in the NEWSPAPER…

Comment by VegasBob
2009-06-08 23:55:07

I thought about moving to SD, CA and encountered 2 dishonest landlords right off the bat. One took a credit app fee and then lied to me about being qualified for the place - I had enough liquid assets to buy the whole building, and they said they had a more qualified applicant. The next one tried to triple the listed security deposit, despite the fact that I have “excellent” credit. So I told them they could kiss a specific bodily orifice.

I wound up renting in Vancouver, WA, just across the river from Portland, OR. I was approved in a couple of hours with a $180 security deposit, no muss, no fuss, the rent is only a little more than 1/2 the price of So Cal, no state income tax in WA, and no sales tax if I want to drive across the bridge into Oregon.

Who could ask for more???

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-06-09 05:48:06

VegasBob-
Do you like living there? How’s the weather and economy? How many Ca transplants are there? Are the people nice? (nice vs. jerks ratio)

 
Comment by cactus
2009-06-09 13:05:58

I’m moving to N San Diego county and found my new landlord to be overly concerned about all kinds of things, landscape, nail holes in walls, carpet, etc. But he’s 79 and I think old folks get fussy about little details as they age. the lease was the longest things I’ve ever seen as well. Here in Phoenix it was a one page lease and a hands off landlord, almost too hands off makes me wonder if he’s going to abandon the place.

I was asked by a co-worker here if I had sold my house in Phoenix, no I explained i sold my house back in 2006 in CA and just rent here in Phoenix. This is a highly educated Indian engineer who owns a Million Dollar house in Ahwatukee or maybe paid a million for the house I don’t know what its worth now but it did cause a sensation and lots of talk a few years ago when it was purchased. tsk tsk so sad my boss did the same thing. Probably trying to figure out how a under educated American like me didn’t get caught in the housing bubble. I will say the look on her face did make me a little sad that this whole bubble had to happen in the first place.

Oh well can’t go soft now part two of my plan coming up, Oh and my landlord says he doesn’t like his tenants moving out but would prefere they stay for years maintaining his standard of living with my rent check. last guy moved out bought a house you could almost see the doudt on landlords face as deflation continues. buying a house the idea !!!

Comment by Silverback1011
2009-06-12 08:00:14

Very funny and educational comments, Cactus.

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Comment by Clinton, UT
2009-06-09 18:35:31

The real estate market in northern Utah is definitely starting to feel the strain of the burst bubble but it doesn’t seem anywhere near as bad as that of Southern California or Las Vegas. I hope it stays that way, and I’ve got plenty of clients who are definitely very concerned about buying something in the current mess, despite my protestations to the contrary.

 
Comment by caerbannog
2009-06-10 07:06:27

Apologies if this has already been posted here, but there’s in interesting article in the LATimes at: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-cheaphomes10-2009jun10,0,4802553.story

A couple of excerpts:
Properties in several areas are selling for less than they did 20 years ago, and that’s not including inflation. Some first-time buyers are nabbing houses for less than what their parents paid.
By Peter Y. Hong
June 10, 2009
In parts of Southern California, the housing crash has upended a basic tenet of the American dream: that home values always increase over the long term.

Properties in several areas are selling for less than they did 20 years ago, and that’s not even counting the effects of inflation.

……….

That means thousands of homes in those neighborhoods — even houses barely 20 years old and in decent shape — have lost every dime of their appreciation, giving back not just the gains of the recent bubble but steady increases logged over a generation.

The April median price in Beatrice’s Lancaster ZIP Code of 93535, for example, was $87,000. That’s down 74% from a $334,500 peak price in 2007. Even worse was the 92410 ZIP Code in the city of San Bernardino, which covers several older neighborhoods. Its $61,000 April median represents an 84% drop from the peak of $370,000 in 2007.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-06-10 12:46:11

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